Thank you for articulating a part of the game that gets complained about a lot, but is rarely explained. I’ve noticed a pattern in my games that the winning player has usually been involved in more trades. Keeping relations open to people is such an important aspect, and I love your suggestions on how to avoid and exploit the chilling effect
Hey! AlbinoBlackHawk here (haven’t setup my TH-cam channel yet haha). I like your point about feeding others to induce a negative reaction towards that player. I haven’t done it just to discourage trading, but I’ve often fed players to serve as a useful distraction while I build my own momentum. It can be remarkably effective. As players can be incredibly shortsighted in catan.
Great video! I watched the Canada championships, and I remember that encounter between Mark and Jean, but I didn't realize he never rolled the dice. I just assumed he was asking if he could still trade and build after passing the dice. That is a bit ridiculous! I think Mark might have assumed Jean rolled the dice and wanted him to stick to the whole "you pass the dice, your turn is over."
fantastic video on a very interesting topic! i'm glad dylighted gave you a (well deserved) shout-out, that's how i got to your channel. awesome to discover more catan content creators!
Great video! I'm highly impressed, as well as grateful for creating some frameworks for where to get started when studying negotiations and diplomacy. I didn't really know the term "chilling effect", I phrased it as the "downsides of bad diplomacy". Your tactics for exploiting the chilling effect are certainly eye-opening.
As always a great video!! Really really good quality in so many ways!! Maybe one additional thought (maybe you mentioned ist): trying not to be the victim of the chilling effect. Being aware that anger or frustration only lead to mistakes. How are you handling that? Personally I find it so much easier to manipulate others than to manipulate myself.
Hey Simon, thanks for the comment. Yeah I think looking back I couldve added more emphasis on how I dont let anger influence my decision making. I always think of my name meaning "no worries" and it reminds me that its only a game (:
A good term for this. In a single game it looks a lot like pettiness, players sabotaging their own game just for revenge. I would be interested to see the implications on a best of series. Seeing how 'chilling' would work over several games, how it might reset or hold over would be an interesting concept to think about. Do you just stamp your foot with the first person that steals from you so they don't do it again in the future? Who knows!
Thanks for the comment! I think in the league games I play, I definitely refrain from doing anything too dirty or petty...knowing very well I will play against those players multiple times in the future! Interesting idea though, possibly painting yourself as an emotional player who does revenge block could lead down a line of less blocks! Although I think I personally may be too careless to make much of a fuss about it
Kozo is the first name I think of when it comes to someone who is obviously a highly-skilled player who makes many incisive, accurate observations and reads.......................but who frequently gets in his own way and jeopardizes his win percentage because of his acrimonious table talk demeanor. I like nicknaming him the Marge Simpson of Catan because..................much like Marge..................he is obviously very intelligent and intuitive, but also has a tendency to nag quite a lot in a way that can irritate and even alienate others. I truly believe his tabletalk approach is what costs him a lot of marquee matchups more than anything............................and the reason ties precisely into the "chilling effect" as you've described here. In a couple of matches he qualified for on the King of Catan channel, I even saw his competitors plow him out of spite because of how annoyed they got by his demeanor. I've cited this video and channel in the comment sections of a couple of those matches in fact. Blatant dishonesty to outright lying also aggrandizes the chilling effect. I remember watching this game last year on Treeckosaurus' channel where ionutdd blatantly lied all throughout the game about his development card, which resources he had, etc.....................and Hawkeye effectively pounced on that and successfully controlled the pacing and narrative of the game en route to an eventual win. That's a clear-cut Exhibit A of how the chilling effect can both derail one player's game and elevate another's. Fabulous video! Keep up the great work! =)
@@HakunaMatataCatan And I know I sound brutally harsh on Kozo but, like I said..............I genuinely think he IS quite a skilled and intelligent player. It isn't the lack of skill or knowledge of the game that's the problem................it's his conduct that makes him lose quite a few winnable games. And for whatever reason, he seems stubbornly insistent on doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on that aggressive tabletalk formula. The lesson to be had there is that one can truly be a great player in terms of skill, but other variables like the one above can suddenly overexposure that given player and make them easily exploitable and vulnerable all of a sudden. Just like Hawkeye did against ionut, or those who have actually taken the time to research Dylighted and his style of playing have done on him. =)
In that second example, please explain what 'much better' placement Purple had remaining to them? They couldn't get long road, the one triple hex spot left was useless to them. You were the only player to take two ore spots on a board they really should have been able to get one on. You still had a 3:1 port you could get to. I'd have done the same thing. the only other option was to have no chance at all or simply log off and let a bot play. I doubt they won that game, but at least they were in the game.
Not only is the 5-10-2 more production, wood to go with brick, brick port, AND better expansion spots, but as i mentioned during the video it causes a chilling effect which puts them out of the game along with myself. Novice players think the solo 8 ore is better than the 5-10-2, when in reality the solo 8 ore is a death sentence. Purple now becomes stuck and easily blockable. They were not in the game at all.
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Thank you for articulating a part of the game that gets complained about a lot, but is rarely explained. I’ve noticed a pattern in my games that the winning player has usually been involved in more trades. Keeping relations open to people is such an important aspect, and I love your suggestions on how to avoid and exploit the chilling effect
Thanks for your kind words, sparrowhawk! (:
Hey! AlbinoBlackHawk here (haven’t setup my TH-cam channel yet haha). I like your point about feeding others to induce a negative reaction towards that player. I haven’t done it just to discourage trading, but I’ve often fed players to serve as a useful distraction while I build my own momentum. It can be remarkably effective. As players can be incredibly shortsighted in catan.
Hey ABH! Thanks for the comment. I completely agree (:
Great video! I watched the Canada championships, and I remember that encounter between Mark and Jean, but I didn't realize he never rolled the dice. I just assumed he was asking if he could still trade and build after passing the dice. That is a bit ridiculous! I think Mark might have assumed Jean rolled the dice and wanted him to stick to the whole "you pass the dice, your turn is over."
fantastic video on a very interesting topic! i'm glad dylighted gave you a (well deserved) shout-out, that's how i got to your channel. awesome to discover more catan content creators!
Thank you (:
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Watched this video, then watched all your other ones. Your content is fantastic! You make really really good videos man
Thank you! That means a lot, I am glad you enjoy them!
So basically every time Dylighted opens his mouth then...
Great video! I'm highly impressed, as well as grateful for creating some frameworks for where to get started when studying negotiations and diplomacy. I didn't really know the term "chilling effect", I phrased it as the "downsides of bad diplomacy". Your tactics for exploiting the chilling effect are certainly eye-opening.
Thanks!! I like the term downsides of bad diplomacy too :D
That's really cool video! Enjoyed your train of thoughts and narration combined with beautifull picture! 10/10 !
Thank you!
very nice & in depth, great job
Thank you!
As a new-ish player I play with bots a lot and I even refuse to have trades with bots that gang rob me, as if they'll actually care
That's hilarious haha I definitely have quite the rivalry with those bots as well (;
Great video about an area of Catan that's often overlooked! Did you coin "the chilling effect"?
Thanks! and the chilling effect is a known term in negotiations, I just wanted to relate the idea to Catan (:
@@HakunaMatataCatan Dr. Matata!
As always a great video!! Really really good quality in so many ways!!
Maybe one additional thought (maybe you mentioned ist): trying not to be the victim of the chilling effect. Being aware that anger or frustration only lead to mistakes. How are you handling that?
Personally I find it so much easier to manipulate others than to manipulate myself.
Hey Simon, thanks for the comment. Yeah I think looking back I couldve added more emphasis on how I dont let anger influence my decision making. I always think of my name meaning "no worries" and it reminds me that its only a game (:
That Ion guy is defintely a jerk. He can't even stay quiet for one roll of the dice smh
HAHAHAA
A good term for this.
In a single game it looks a lot like pettiness, players sabotaging their own game just for revenge.
I would be interested to see the implications on a best of series. Seeing how 'chilling' would work over several games, how it might reset or hold over would be an interesting concept to think about. Do you just stamp your foot with the first person that steals from you so they don't do it again in the future? Who knows!
Thanks for the comment! I think in the league games I play, I definitely refrain from doing anything too dirty or petty...knowing very well I will play against those players multiple times in the future!
Interesting idea though, possibly painting yourself as an emotional player who does revenge block could lead down a line of less blocks! Although I think I personally may be too careless to make much of a fuss about it
Kozo is the first name I think of when it comes to someone who is obviously a highly-skilled player who makes many incisive, accurate observations and reads.......................but who frequently gets in his own way and jeopardizes his win percentage because of his acrimonious table talk demeanor.
I like nicknaming him the Marge Simpson of Catan because..................much like Marge..................he is obviously very intelligent and intuitive, but also has a tendency to nag quite a lot in a way that can irritate and even alienate others. I truly believe his tabletalk approach is what costs him a lot of marquee matchups more than anything............................and the reason ties precisely into the "chilling effect" as you've described here. In a couple of matches he qualified for on the King of Catan channel, I even saw his competitors plow him out of spite because of how annoyed they got by his demeanor. I've cited this video and channel in the comment sections of a couple of those matches in fact.
Blatant dishonesty to outright lying also aggrandizes the chilling effect. I remember watching this game last year on Treeckosaurus' channel where ionutdd blatantly lied all throughout the game about his development card, which resources he had, etc.....................and Hawkeye effectively pounced on that and successfully controlled the pacing and narrative of the game en route to an eventual win. That's a clear-cut Exhibit A of how the chilling effect can both derail one player's game and elevate another's.
Fabulous video! Keep up the great work! =)
Thank you!! :D Love this comment haha
@@HakunaMatataCatan And I know I sound brutally harsh on Kozo but, like I said..............I genuinely think he IS quite a skilled and intelligent player. It isn't the lack of skill or knowledge of the game that's the problem................it's his conduct that makes him lose quite a few winnable games. And for whatever reason, he seems stubbornly insistent on doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on that aggressive tabletalk formula.
The lesson to be had there is that one can truly be a great player in terms of skill, but other variables like the one above can suddenly overexposure that given player and make them easily exploitable and vulnerable all of a sudden. Just like Hawkeye did against ionut, or those who have actually taken the time to research Dylighted and his style of playing have done on him. =)
Good points!
Thank you!
In that second example, please explain what 'much better' placement Purple had remaining to them? They couldn't get long road, the one triple hex spot left was useless to them. You were the only player to take two ore spots on a board they really should have been able to get one on. You still had a 3:1 port you could get to. I'd have done the same thing. the only other option was to have no chance at all or simply log off and let a bot play. I doubt they won that game, but at least they were in the game.
Not only is the 5-10-2 more production, wood to go with brick, brick port, AND better expansion spots, but as i mentioned during the video it causes a chilling effect which puts them out of the game along with myself.
Novice players think the solo 8 ore is better than the 5-10-2, when in reality the solo 8 ore is a death sentence. Purple now becomes stuck and easily blockable. They were not in the game at all.
do you have a phd in catan? looks like it lol
Haha! Thanks XD
lol, they seriously let a guy skip rolling on his turn in a championship game? Awesome tournament officials there!