HOW TO NOT FAIL! "Gravity Trick" Hyundai Mitsubishi timing belt info!
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- How to keep your engine from vibrating your teeth out! Important Hyundai and Mitsubishi dsm balance shaft info not mentioned in manual. Don't do timing belt on your Mitsubishi or Hyundai without watching this first! This video explains how to orient your balance shafts when doing timing belt job.
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You are the only one who has mentioned the oil pump shaft and how to quickly figure out where it is supposed to be. I am a semi retired auto tech of 48 years doing everything from sports cars and exotics to stock vehicles plus 10 years turning a wrench for several high dollar IMSA teams so I feel I am fairly well versed in the industry. Every time that I did that 2.4ltr I always struggled with the proper alignment of that sprocket. I am actually doing my daughters Santa Fe in the next day or two so this has come in very handy, thank you
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I rebuilt my daughter's engine a year ago and have been chasing vibrations ever since. I'm FIXING today, thanks to you!
This was a life saver for me too. Put a new crank sensor on my mom's car, and I thought it was something else causing the vibration. I did cheat and drill a hole to access the water pump shaft bolts. That was a big time saver. Just put her car back together last night, and running smooth. Thanks for taking the time to post this video!! Now my mom will be her car doesn't stall from a bad crank shaft sensor, and I didn't give it back to her vibrating! Happy son!
Btw. when changing the crankshaftsensor I recommend putting a washer under the screw next to the sensor. So the wire will not be damaged by the timing belt ever again. Worked for me perfectly.
On my way home from work my 4 cyl Hyundai Santa Fe engine simply stopped running and I coasted the car into a service station. They diagnosed and replaced a broken crankshaft position sensor and while disassembled, I had them replace the timing belt assembly, tensioner, pulleys, and water pump.
I brought the car back after the repairs were complete because the engine was very loud and the engine and the whole car vibrated. After going over the car again, the professional mechanics found no issues with their work, validated the car was properly timed, and returned the car keys to me.
I knew something was just not right so I started diagnosing the engine myself. I checked and tested the engine mounts and found all 4 were in good condition. I then found your video and using your drillbit method validated that they did not have the engine properly timed. I then disassembled the front end of the motor and made the appropriate adjustments as you showed and the engine is running smooth again!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THOUGHT I HAD TRASHED THE ENGINE AND HAD TO BUY A NEW CAR, WHICH I COULD NOT AFFORD.
I typed a letter explaining this to the service station and provided them your video URL for them to use as a learning experience. I also asked if they would reconsider what they charged me as I spent about 8 hours doing all the rework, but never heard back from them.
THANKS SO MUCH AGAIN! AvgJoe.
Bought a used 2002 Optima that always had this bad vibration. Previous owner said the timing belt had just been replaced and the car had the vibration described. When the balance shaft belt broke several thousand miles later, it took out the crankshaft sensor, stopping the engine. Lucky for me it did no harm to the timing belt. In watching this video, it is now obvious where the vibration came from. Evidently the balance shaft belt had not been changed. This is a great tip you have provided, many thanks.
Worked like a charm. Just completed the same repair on a friend's Kia and it fixed the gawd aweful vibration they been living with. Thank you for the video!
You are a GOD SEND my friend!!!
I just got my JDM Mitsubishi Galant VR4 (4G63) back from the shop for TB and WP service. After picking it up, the car drove fine during normal driving BUT as soon as I started doing some "spirited driving" and engine revved over 4-5K RPM the car started vibrating like crazy.
So I took it back to the shop only after 15min of driving it around and let my mechanic know about the issue. He had the car for a extra 2 days and still couldn't find out the issue. He was suspecting the motor mounts but those were solid.
Can't wait til Monday to show him this video and hopefully correct this issue on the spot.
Wish me luck.
This is excellent! I have a 1G Eagle Talon that has the Mitsubishi 4G63 7-Bolt engine, and I first experienced this vibration issue at a shop years ago when they started it for me when I picked up the car. They had swapped the timing belt, but it was vibrating on the mounts, and was not doing that when I first brought it in. I pointed this out, and the owner of the shop rolled his eyes, and said that he knew what had happened. He told me to come back that afternoon, and by that time, it was fixed. In the Talon/Laser Chrysler service manual, it does show how to use a screwdriver in that hole in the engine block to "block the left silent shaft," but only for the purposes of the removal and re-installation of the oil pump gear/sprocket in case you are trying to replace seals, or removing the oil pump. It does not explain exactly what is going on. The silent (and other balance shaft) are kind of like baseball bats that have been sliced down the length in half, and are spinning lengthwise, creating a swift moving counterbalance to the actions of the engine. They don't explain this, and they don't tell you that the proper position for that silent shaft for timing belt/sprocket setting purposes is with the counterweight part of the shaft down (in the bottom of) it's housing. I learned that "rocking back and forth" trick a while later by chance after removing the screwdriver from the engine block, and then read that it was another way to double-check yourself before you put everything back together. Great video! Thanks!
This is great, and another tip with this engine is to check that the pin inserted in the hydraulic tensioner still moves freely after adjusting to specification. Must be able to remove and reinsert it after the job's done
Today I did the job myself with ur precious tip. Few mechanics told me to replace the engine mounts. Had a bad vibration. You saved me dude. Thanks so much. You're a lifesaver.....
I want to say THANK YOU!!! Without your video, My husband would have not been able to fix my Mitsubishi Galant! We thought there was something "BIG" wrong with it. Thanks again!!!! :)
Your welcome! your lucky to have such a great skilled husband! treat him to a dinner!
I did your trick when I did my timing belt on my Santa fe. You are the best! My motor always growled from the past timing belt change. I Baught the Santa fe used.
awesome!
awesome man. 8 years down the road and your video still helping people. you just save me a headache.
THANK YOU MAN.
Still helping after 9 years. I read this somewhere before, but couldn't remember the details. My timing belt didn't break but the oil pump belt broke so I needed this info thanks.
Yes indeed you are my hero. I tried to buy a service manual and I couldn't find one anywhere. I need to get this car rolling again and I had no info on the details of how to replace the timing belt until I came across your video. Thank you...thank you...thank you.
Julio Gonzalez
You my friend, are the only person to reference this information regarding the 2.4L Hyundai Sonata motor. I never was able to locate that hole to insert the drill bit, however the Gravity rotation method works just fine Many THANKS to You!
you my friend have saved people alot of bs. keep up the good work !
your welcome!
thanks for your video!!! helped me with the same issue... after i saw your video, i went to install it properly... problems fixed... no more vibration
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I just did timing belt, balance belt, water pump all new pulley and tension. Thank you for showing me this trick, I didn't even use the "plug" and was successful.
2000 Mitsubishi Galant 2.4L I4 (4g64)
thanks for watching buddy!
On my 3rd timing belt replacement at 200k miles on my 2003 Santa Fe, 2.4L. I had the vibration problem on the second replacement, but did not know the gravity trick and could not locate the hole for the screwdriver, even though I had the All Data instructions. That time I was advised to turn it and then start it, to see if the vibration went away. Thank you for the detailed video. It will be very helpful on my next timing belt replacement.
That is very useful since like you said it did not tell you that it has a 3:1 gear reduction which is built into the engine which we don't see. So instead of wasting who knows how long figuring out why it is vibrating so much. So thank you for showing this and I guess we live and learn and gain experience from others.who have the answer because of trail and error so once again thanks man.
your welcome, thanks for the comment!
Thanks, this helped me fix a 1990 Mitsubishi mighty max with a 2.4 sohc. It had been vibrating so badly after a previous timing belt change, it loosened and finally sheared all 4 crank pulley bolts. After using this trick, it's as smooth as can be. Thanks again.
Hi My Name Is Darrell, as I was following your instraction to fix a timing belt your was the most important of all, I wish Automotive people would tell it all on a correct video it very important on all counts. So thank you for suring and caring your professional instraction information. Peace and take care stay strong as you keep people happy.
Thanks for the heads up on this, just did timing belt job on my Eclipse yesterday and your video helped in a huge way. Thanks again 😁
Wow, thank you so much. I am replacing one this weekend. It did not jump so i will line up everything first. Great info to know.
your welcome
Thank you I'm doing this job for the first time and I was about to not do it due to lack of information about that balance shaft. Now I have complete confidence to get the job done right the 1st. Thanks again man
so glad you showed this is had a head gasket blow out and took it all apart and was having trouble putting it back to gather till I seen your video grant job and thank you again
yohoo!!!!! Just finished doing the t-belt for the 2nd time, the balancer was off, also replaced the crank sensor while I was in there, I can tell a MAJOR difference driving it, thanks for posting this video very helpful!!!!
Today I was doing a timing belt on a Hyundai trajet 16v DOHC and I remembered this video that I watched a few weeks ago. The engine looked exactly the same, it had a secondary belt for the rear balance shaft and everything. And, remembering this video, before removing the belt I wanted to check if the balance shaft had this 3 to 1 ratio, and I turned the engine 6 times(meeting the marks on the cams 3 times), and the mark on the balance shaft only aligned at one of them.
So thanks to this video I was extra careful to not turn the balance shaft when replacing the oil seal
I made the same mistake. I could not figure out why it was vibrating so bad since I placed everything on the mark. Very helpful information. Thank you
OMG>>>>You just saved me a crapload of Heartache! Thank you for your information. I also accidentally damaged the plug wires on removal. After finding the forward shaft out of balance due to my setting it wrong like you explained. Got it all together and still ran like crap....Should have replaced wires and boots on coil overs!!!!!! Runs GREAT! The gravity thing worked perfect! Thanks again!
Dude , you're the best . I have done this job many times, gladly never had that problem . I've read the service manual, it doesn't say a thing about it .
Thanks, I will watch that gravity idea next time.
I've done a few of those timing belts , never had any issues with vibration though . I always removed the block plug and inserted a suitable size screwdriver to keep it "timed " . Also noticed that pulley can move about 30 degrees either way so I did my best to " center " the sprocket in timed position . I hope that helps
Just saved me probably weeks of headache.
Thank you so much.
great video. I am doing one of these right now. had mechanic change belt. did not know the crank sensor was such a pain to get to. so needless to say. about 3,000 miles later the crank sensor went out. I took it apart changed sensor. thought I put it back exactly the same way I took it off. apparently this little shaft moved. put it back together and it vibrated like hell. I work on a tug boat so I am pressed for time. this video is more informative than anything on the web about these balance shafts. all I can say is if you are changing the belt. I highly recommend changing the crankshaft sensor. thanks again.
You are the saver !! My car has the vibration problem and upon checking , the problem was exactly what this video described . Actually can remove the 14mm socket plug just behind the exhaust and use a Borescope to see the Lh balance staff alignment .
Tengo una Mitsubishi p/up Mighty Max 1994 con motor 4G64, yo la compré en segundas manos y cuando estaba en Baja como a 1000 rpm parecia una maquina de dar terapias musculares, cuando iba en la autopista en quinta a 65 mph no se le podia tocar la palanca de los cambio porque parecia que daba corriente de tanta vibración, todo llegó a su final cuando vi este video.Luego cuando le reemplacé la correa de tiempo, puse en practica los consejos de este video y problema resulto.Ahora cuando está en Baja como a 900 rpm parece que no está encendida. Le agradezco a todos los que suben estos videos instructivos que son de tanta ayuda.
Yo... I'm a moving up mechanic and haven't go to do timing yet but thank you. little tips like this are great. respect man +1
Thanks for the tip man. Smart people like you make someone else's world an better world. Thanks again.
Thank you! Did the water pump on my daughters Hyundai. Works excellent no vibrating.
HEY, awesome video with a simple explanation. Changing my timing belt soon with no experience so this definitely made me understand every part more easily.
Glad I could help!
Good job on video , Pulled mine apart to replace crank sensor and noticed when at TDC that pulley is out of time . You're video has helped hugely in fixing it and setting it properly , A BIG Thank's to you Subtledriver
you rock!!! thanks, for that info, saved me a lot of head scratch. noticed a vibration in wifes santa fe after paying for belt change 3 years ago after blowing compression for tdc noticed that sprocket timing mark was out of time. (water pump is leaking, and car is within 1K miles of belt change)
It was a 2005 Hyundai Sonata 2.4 16 valve by the way. Timing belt broke and bent all valves. 550.00 later in head work I was happy she is running good. Especially because it's a customer vehicle
You're not the first one to get trapped by Mitsubishi timing belt pitfalls (long story). I love 4g63 engines, but they do have some drawbacks. By the way, if you want to learn more about them, the TH-cam channel "Jafromobile" has some (in my opinion) excellent videos on 4g63 tech. Anyway, glad you got things sorted out.
So I’m going to be doing this job on my Mitsubishi Eclipse next week and you probably just saved me from the same mistake so Thank You very much 😁
Yes your a real mechanic yes your right Mitsubishi outlander and Hyundai do have 3 to 1 balance shaft ratio yes gravity check and place in the drill bit on that 14 mm bolt behind the excuast must slid in to the the right way books do not tell you that .yes we learn the hard way .congrats to you Mr real mechanic your a God
This is the best explanation I've ever seen for this.
Wish i knew this yesterday , i done the job and now have to redo it. thank you
thank you man and don’t worry about the pliers, I do the same gentle. thanks your information helps a lot.
4G63 engines were in 90-99 Mitsu Eclipses, Eagle Talons, Plymouth lasers. It was also in some Hyundai's as well. The reason this trick works on Mitsubishi engines, is because that Hyundai engine is actually a Mitsu engine. :D
THE GUY BELOW ME IS 100% RIGHT! YOU SIR ARE "GENIUS HERO!" THANK YOU!
It is the oil pump pulley that you are referring to and yes it must be aligned correctly or the result is vibration which eventually causes much more problems. The hole in which you placed the drill bit is used to determine the correct timing for the oil pump. However the methods you used work as well. But normal procedure is to use the correct timing pin and insert it into the whole then line up the timing mark on the oil pump pulley. And you will know it's correct because the pin will stop the rotation once it's lined up correctly if it is 360 degrees off but timing mark is lined up the pin will not stop the rotation and allow another 360 degree rotation to the correct timing. Where you will find you will have more of an issue is the tensioner for the timing belt. The tensioner's hydraulic chamber is easily damaged if compressed unevenly or too quickly and once the tensioner is worn you will have common problems with tooth slippage. Also when installing the tensioner if done incorrect which takes some skill and technique it can be difficult to keep all the timing marks correct while the tensioner pin extends back out. All in all its really not a bad job.. Ford is similar in their use of a timing pin!
I've been fighting this stupid ass thing for 10 hours!!! this helps immensely!! THANKS!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 2005 Soanata 2.4. Had my timing belt changed two years ago and the vibration has been awful since. Had it to a licensed Hyundai dealership and they said nothing was wrong. I have high mileage so figured it was something I'd have to deal with until trade. Hopefully this will solve my problem! Thanks!
hope it works for ya
wow friend you saved me the life this vibration had me crazy,Nobody knew which was the vibration a million of thank you for you.Do not write a lot of english but i hope that you understand. GRACIAS
Thank you for the trick. About to do this job on a family members Optima. I knew there was a balance shaft. But didn't know there were two. Thanks again.
Hey, subtledriver, am I glad I saw this footage of yours! As per usual, even though I am a 'time served Mechanic' in the UK, when starting a job I have not done before, I was just going through all the info that is provided on here, by good and fair minded people such as yourself. Just to see if there are any good tips and tweaks. Am I glad I did!! Who the hell would know this, without the W/S manual?? Or... looking it up on the good ole' TH-cam!! Thank you my friend, you've most probably saved me a goodly amount of Time, Stress, Consternation and maybe 2 or 3 broken coffee cups!! ha ha! Take care and thanks again.
Ron.
Thanks, just had to re-due the Oil Shaft Balance Yesterday, after just lining up the Timing makes as some other posts Said (they never mentioned the Balance check)
Thank you so much. I looked and looked for that stupid hole. I had no idea it was on the driver side of the manifold!
Yeah man you have made my day, Very interesting and helpful I must say. This problem of vibration exsisted in my Mitsi RVR 4G63 engine and I'm just going to get to it soon as now I know why. Thanks a million, You deserve some cookies and a hot coffee for this.
+William Winchester thanks! send some my way haha
Well I wish I would have watched this before I did the timing belt . When I started it my first thought was balance shaft . What a pita ! Well thanks for the video at least now I know
thank you! I was up the creek with my mechanic because if his ignorance with this technical information.
Hey man thanks for the video. I feel bad that we gain from your loss but I'm glad I don't have to go through this twice
Thank you so much bro... this vibration has cracked my intake manifold twice... I bought the car like that and I already changed lot of parts on it including the motor mounts and axles.... but nothing changed at all I'm about to go fix my car now thanks again well splain it..
definately helpful in 2020. doing some work on a mitsubishi eclipse and this was an accurate video that helped. thanks
so simple --so necessary. Just doing a SOHC 2.4 in a 94 dodge colt it's the same thing for the oil pump/balance shaft. . Good video thanks
Well done and great, thorough explanation. I made same simple mistake and you sorted my problem out. Good you had decent camera access to make your demonstration effective. Again, thanks.
Thank you so much for the tip! Gave me a little peace of mind
I learned something today also. I really didn't want to mess with the screw driver. I have seen where the plug was and I really didn't want to mess with it
Very informative. I just replaced my sons girlfriends crank sensor and someone had replaced the timing belt but not the small balance shaft belt and when went in there there was no teeth. There is a vibration in the motor it was worse before I put that belt on. Now ill have to go back in and see about this. Hers id s 04 santa fe 2.4l 16 valve.
Two things. First thank you so much for putting this video together it was exactly the solution to my problem. And number two this engine is also in kia optima 2.4 not sure range of years build with same engine but the one im working on was 2004.
Thanks a lot sir. It has been of complete helpfulness. As I understand there still are pleople, like you, that have willingness to share key information in your area.
Exelent job am mechanic to ,the problem is hundreds of cars models some cars have differents prosedures thanks i learn something today
Outstanding video and explanation! This also works on 2001 Kia Optima, I think it's the same engine as the Hyundai. I also learned it the hard way. Thanks.
I would say it'd be the same on the 4g63 engines from Mitsubishi. The 420a Chrysler engines didn't have to worry about it. At least not in the 2.0's they put in the DSM's.
Holy crap, I had no idea! I have an 02 gallant, and thought the motor was ruined, lol. I'm going to try and fix it hopefully this Saturday, and i'll let ya know how it turns out. thanks!!!
how did it turn out?
The ratio on the balance shafts was all I needed, and I thank you!
I thought I had to replace the 1:1 books can be confusing sometimes ha-ha
I immediately went and checked the 3:1 n its good to go.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!! You would figure shop key or alldata / nodata would add a note on this. Saved me a bunch. Thanks !!
Wow you may have fixed my friend's Eclipse problem! Now I need to rip everything apart again, lol.
Hey man, I don't know If you really understand what you did by making this video but you saved some asses, fa sho, lol. Thank you so much. I'm sure at least I'm hoping some good will come back to you for it. Anyway you are freakin awesome my man
Great info. Even though I don't have that motor, it's still a great tutorial
I'm glad this helped you! I had to do the timing belt twice because of this, there is no info about this in the instructions. It says stab a pin in the side of the block to hold the balancer, but it failed to mention it was gear reduction. I know what you mean about the two positions, But if you have played with it for a while, you can tell the slight difference, and know the happy spot.
thanks for this info I'm working on one right know and im at the point of line up the marks .i had to put a new head on and piston because all the valve broke and put holes in the pistons everything is looking good know its time to do the gravity trick thanks once again.
Good to know. I'm doing a timing belt on a 2007 mitsubishi galant. 2.4. Timing belt did break on this one.
I'm very pleased I came across your video, like you I was told to align timing marks. Thanks very much for sharing this which I think is important information. Thank you once again 👍👍👍
Nice trick. Saves folks from having to use that front bolt hole, which always seemed like a sketchy method to me haha!
Thank you sir. Spent hours trying to figure out what I did wrong. Car runs but as you said it has a small amount of vibration.
nice job ...............your attention to detail is great
Thanks man, found that with a '96 Sonata as well, 2 litre I think. Real bad vibes. Glad to get a refresher as I just bought a '01 Santa Fe.
Great advice - thanks so much for saving me hours of work
Yes I found it applies with quite a few engines over the years
Thank you the manual says to use screwdriver & remove the side plug but doesn't state which side. Now that you explain it I can fix my vibration issue. I did a head gasket replacement because it overheated and blew. Due to a cracked radiator anyways Mahalo thank you for explaining.
Thanks for the tip, only thought the screwdriver was the way to check the balance shaft alignment.. try lisle 22850 hose pinchers for holding on t belt they work great!
Great instructional video, I'll pass it on. Good job.
Wow, thanks a lot for sharing this knowledge. This can save me a big headache.
Very cool...I have a Kia with the same engine and it runs great but has a horrible vibration at any RPM. All the timing marks line up but the balance shaft must not be timed right. I'll check it using this method. Great video.
Great video on an ultra important step in this repair..Honda vtecs are very similar..