I can understand the panic. I've read that people have submitted documents to the consulate and we're told they're not getting them back now and they cannot move forward since it is a Minor Issue case
Can’t they just argue their grandmother or great grandmother didn’t give up their Italian citizenship because it was done automatically when their husband was naturalized?
I had a successful appointment at a consulate a few days ago. I did not have the minor issue. I'm happy as can be but wish I had started sooner. I still have a year to two wait before I'll have an Italian passport. My cousin is affected by the minor issue. He was just starting so not too devastating. It's truly heartbreaking when you know how much time, effort and money some have invested.
@RafaelDiFuria I assume that I am safe but just to ask, for someone who recently obtained citizenship by descent via a consulate where an ancestor's child was a minor when the parent naturalized as a US citizen, can the Italian government change their mind and now take that citizenship away? Or once we have the citizenship, are we safe and they can't take it back? Using Austria as an example, an Austrian lawyer told me that they can change their mind within 3 years of granting Austrian citizenship in certain circumstances. So hopefully this is not the case for Italy. I know it might be a "legal" question but I was just wondering what your "Gut" feeling is on this? Oh, I see you answered this at 6:25 so thanks!
I’m lucky enough that my line did not have this issue, but had my great grandfather naturalized, I would have. But, I want to echo your sentiment that if you are even for a tiny amount considering obtaining your JS Italian citizenship, recognition that you do it now! Start the process now! Finish the process now if you’ve already started or if you’ve stopped working on it and have put your documents away somewhere because you became dissuaded at some point or didn’t think you wanted to deal with the bureaucracy or the wait times! it is so worth it! You, Rafael are the reason that I pulled my box out of the garage and completed my 13 year process and now have citizenship today! It wasn’t always easy, or always straightforward. But I will say that I have learned my story, the facts, and a history that I can speak to as to who I am. Thank you for everything. Thank you for this channel. And my heart indeed goes out to all of those affected by this news. Take heart and keep going if you’re able!
I just started the process of applying for Italian citizenship. I was going to move permanently to Italy and spend my $2.5m in retirement savings PLUS social security income PLUS pension income in Italy. Now that won’t happen. Is Italy being smart?
Similar situation here. Apparently, Italy is flush with cash and doesn't need any extra investments into its economy. So, no, Italy is not being smart. But that's the Meloni government for you.
@@alexhatcher8812 ERV is an option. But have to renew and qualify annually. If I decide to earn income during retirement then I don’t qualify. Also there must be a huge advantage to citizenship, otherwise people wouldn’t spend the enormous amount of time and money to get it.
@@alexhatcher8812ERV is not so easy to get. No guarantee that you’ll qualify, or be accepted. And residency does not come with all the advantages of citizenship.
I am sad and angry at the same time. My mom and dad became US citizens when I was still a minor 😢. I do feel cut off. If they wanted to limit the amount of immigration and naturalization they should just limit it to one generation or two back and not this ridiculous convoluted broken /unbroken line stuff. Maybe the government should focus its efforts on building an economy that keeps its young people from emigration
I think that the simple, most logical, and legally sound way to implement this new rule / application is: GO BY THE ITALIAN LAW AT THE TIME OF BIRTH OF THE APPLICANT AND HIS/HER CITIZEN ANCESTOR (LIRA). Then anyone born after October 2024 is subject to the new “minor issue”.
Thank God i got my Italian citizenship over a decade ago; because with the new changes, i wouldn't be eligible if i had to do it now. I have siblings who didn't apply and now they can't. Kind of messed up if you think about it.
I am seeking recognition via JS myself right now so I feel for those impacted by the decision. I am very curious how many people or what percentage of those seeking citizenship recognition are affected by the decision. I think it will increase court cases in Italy and improve getting appointments at US consulates. I am going through the courts because I haven't been able to get an appointment for years but I also don't have a minor issue or 1948 case. Hopefully things improve for those not effected by the decision and those with the minor issue find better luck in court cases if they choose that route.
Italy is experiencing a crisis of demographic decline. I don’t understand why they would make it more difficult for ethnic Italians to immigrate. They should be actively seeking people from the diaspora to come back.
You are wrong. 77 milions of people lives in Italy. There are about 5 milions of 2nd generation of second generation italians (kids that are born and raised in Italy, italian native speakers) without italian citizenship, because we don't have Ius Soli. You are also wrong a second time because the demographic crisis is due a strong economical crisis that makes impossible to young people to go live by themselves and make a family. The unemployment rate for people under 35 is 28%. In fact there are about 5 milions of italian immigrants all over the world that left to raise their families in more convenient places. I understand that wealthy brazilians that have a non-realistic/stereotypical idea of Italy (in fact, being italian-descendent doesn't make you Italian, growing up in Italy does), wants to go there because concerned about their safety. But once you'll get there, and face the reality, you will not want to leave there.
@SummerVictory222, The demographic problem I’m talking about is the below replacement birth and collapse of your total population. The “ethnic Italians” I’m talking about are the ones in the diaspora around the world (of which there are more than the Italian citizens in Italy, principally in Brazil, Argentina, USA, Australia). I’m not wrong, you simply misinterpreted my comment. You wouldn’t be aggressively rambling about things that aren’t relevant to my comment if you sought communication and clarification rather than jumping to conclusions so you can bloviate and bluster about who’s “wrong”. The commenter before you understood exactly what I’m talking about. Don’t know how you missed it. For some reason your government feels better about a flood of “boat people” that cook pets in the streets to try to fix the mathematically inescapable reality of low birth rate demographic collapse instead of inviting in highly educated and skilled workers from the Italian diaspora that at least care about and are familiar with Italian culture.
@@SummerVictory222 I reckon that Brazilians being highlighted in this comment reveals a lot about what's happening and these changes taking place. Were these people only Argentinian or American we wouldn't be discussing that. For one thing, people tend to be oblivious about the existence of Italian-Brazilians. Secondly, Argentinians being the Europe of South America (their blacks have been decimated) and US being the global empire make it more palatable to Italians to welcome them as long-lost brothers. Instead, a third-world country with mixed-race background and a particular culture of its own seems to make some people, interestingly those on the left in many cases, cringe at the idea that some Brazilians might claim any Italian background. But most people have no idea that entire cities (one of them an economic powerhouse in the whole southern hemisphere) are deeply influenced by its Italian background: in their language, culture, cuisine and way of life. That does make a lot of people connected with their ancestry and Italianità, and creates a sense of belonging to a certain history and tradition... it is part of their identity. Now, I do understand, and it makes me sad, that some of those descendants have no interest in that but only in the advantages that an European passport may grant them, but we can't "fare di tutta l'erba un fascio" as the saying goes. Brazil is a huge country and it is not only about "football, caipirinha and samba" and we know, from our deep influence of Venetian culture, that Italy is not all about "pizza, pasta and mandolino." Do respect our background and the strife that our ancestors went through when they fought the poverty, were expelled from their native land in many cases, and had to cross the Atlantic with sometimes a big family and only their hopes to keep them going... as we do respect the land of our ancestors and its history (including part of the 20th century when we were not there).
This proposed law would create "second class" citizens who cannot pass on their rights to their children. IMO Italy should focus on rules for the loss of citizenship for those who do not meet basic obligations (keep records updated) or who do not demonstrate basic interest in the language/culture.
Im gonna say hundreds of thousands of people maybe millions are going to be affected by the minor issue. Italy will pay the price financially loss of revenue from people seeking citizenship. When apartment , restaurant and store owners are struggling they'll be thinking what did we do. Im willing to bet the amount of people that move to Italy for 3 months to a year applying for citizenship is close to half of the tourism revenue
So, if my wife's great grandfather naturalized before his son was born, she would be disqualified and same if he naturalized after he was born right? My brain is just not computing this....
@@dux_bellorumif the grandfather was born before the great grandfather was naturalized, and the naturalization happened after 1912 they would have been ok. Now Italy is adding on the grandfather (in this case case) would have to have been 21 or older when the naturalization occurred. They are now saying when the great grandfather naturalized that took away the grandfathers Italian citizenship. They are just screwing themselves
Marco's video was a bit confusing because he used language that isn't clear to non native speakers. This is so upsetting. It sends the message that Italians who grew up outside Italy whose parents/grandparents chose to naturalize when they were minors are no longer welcome to their rightful citizenship. Why discriminate against minors? And it makes us feel that this is coming from the Italian people - that we are unwelcome. I understand how important that it is to respect the culture. But, is this a reaction to something? Did some citizens who came in this way create a problem? What is the reason? I haven't heard any justification.
I’m in the same boat, I spent tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys. I’ve rented an apartment for three years. I’m in Italy currently and then this happens.
Thinking about starting this process, but my question is: would I need a legal document for my grandmother who was born Raffaela but died as Anna? Would that hinder the process?
I have 4 different people I could try through, but I haven't started because I am still trying to figure out when in her life she changed her name, if it was done while she was getting married or before
@@annatomasso5226 I think it might depend on whether she just went by “Anna” for simplicity..a nickname. My gm is Giovannina but used the nickname name “Jenny”. That is shown on her death certificate. I do know that every time I changed my last name I had to produce a divorce docs and along with both marriage certificates and the 2 husband’s death certificate. This was the trail I had to show why the name change.
@@kat1963 Thanks, I was able to find the document where is looked like she changed her name. She was raised in an orphanage and who ever was the intake wrote down Raphanna instead of Raffaela.
@ looks like to me she used Anna as a nickname. Did you check her SS records? They show every name she used for SS. My mom was married twice to my knowledge then when I looked up her SS I found there was another last name she went by, unknown to me🤔
All great points. Italy created so much moral hazard with this ruling that it's mind-boggling. Also, do they really want to stop the gravy train of relatively wealthy descendants repatriating? I would think, "no", solely based on lost tax revenue.
Italy is so Fcuk-ed up they can have my citizenship back! Lived there for 6 years over the past 15 years, never again. Nothing makes sense, banks are beyond corrupt along with utility companies and beyond. No one has ambition, no work ethic and pocket bureaucracy is so detrimental to everyone living there. This may just be my opinion, but anyone moving there, have a back up plan to leave. So glad to have got the hell out of there!
Amazing how Italy is acting considering that there are so many empty houses in Italy on the market ...How do they expect to build their economy with this way of thinking..it's almost like they don't want any outsiders moving there... maybe this is the reasoning for the changes...I get it but it's not like it's going to be an influx of Americans moving to Italy...that's not going to happen because I don't think that Italy would allow it!!!
@jayajaya788 The first house I bought ended in a disaster with a huge loss of money. The second house I bought took a year to sell, but I made most of my money back by shear luck. My last name is of Irish origin, my utility bills were double, after they were put in my wife's Italian last name bill were half, long story. The corruption is insane and I want no part of it, nothing gets accomplished. When it does it take months to years, think I am over exaggerating, give it try. My recommendation is have a plan to get the F out.
In my opinion, her statement about "Italians around the world" was clear; she does not consider the Italian descendants in the context, even those officially recognized and documented, and therefore voters. Her deputy prime minister proposed a rule that changes the tradition of *ius sanguinis* (right of blood), and the secretary in charge of embassies and consulates has been highly aggressive towards Italian descendants. An allied senator proposed a law against Italian descendants so full of errors and prejudices that it would have no chance of approval in the legislature. They have been incredibly aggressive towards Brazilian and Argentinean Italian descendants. Interestingly, many Italian companies still survive because their Brazilian branches have been sustaining the parent companies for decades (Brazil alone has more than 30 million Italian descendants). They have decided to burn a massive soft power, particularly in the Americas.
@biff529 Explain, please, my understanding is, if the great grandfather never naturalized, but his son was born in the US he automatically gets US citizenship. So I'm a bit lost.
@@dux_bellorumthat is not how it works in the US... I am peruvian, I came to the US and my son was born, my son is US citizen but not me (I had to do a separate application to become a US citizen, it is not automatic through my son's birth?
@b2balliance oh no, I meant the offspring is automatic citizens, not the parents. So, for the Italian citizenship, if I'm not mistaken as long as the parent doesn't get their citizenship or don't get their citizenship before their child turns 18, their descendants still qualify?
This has affected me as I can’t even get a court case as I don’t meet the wait requirements, so literally this decision has cut me off. However I can’t see how you can interpret a law that’s been in use for 30+ years differently all of a sudden? So what they are saying, is u no longer have a right to Italian citizenship when ur born anymore? JS is literally right of blood….. does your blood cut off because ur parents naturalised before u r 21???? Something is amiss here. So what will happen is they will push the issue to Italian courts and when the courts get fed up, maybe they will change the interpretation back to what it is and should always be! I don’t see this being around for too long!
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. According to the laws of Italy, anybody who is eligible for recognition of Italian citizenship by descent is in fact already a citizen at the time of their birth in the exact way that any other italian citizen born in Italy is recognized as a citizen simply for the fact that each generation of their family was able to legally pass down citizenship through their family line since citizenship in Italy. Due to that citizenship is not gained by location of birth (ius soli) it’s gained via the legal principle of ius sanguinis. The process that someone goes through to “get italian citizenship” not actually getting citizenship since the individual is already a citizen but has to go through a formality to bring the files held by the italian municipality up to date and conduct a delayed birth registration of the foreign born citizen… individuals who get citizenship by descent are not immigrants in a legal sense, they are legally equal with those who are born citizens in Italy or anywhere else since again italian citizenship is passed from one generation to the next and not because of location.
A little context, please. Are we only talking about minor children of Italians who naturalized after 1912? It’s been my understanding that naturalizations before 1912 ALWAYS caused the minor child to lose citizenship as a matter of settled law.
It’s actually a chaotic romance in which the low salary husband beats the wife, the wife tries to file for divorce but the Italian bureaucracy makes it linger for 5 years without a resolution, you have to bribe the judge so that they don’t forget to finish your case, meanwhile you can’t pay for you rent as you salary barely covers your monthly food expenditures, which leads to health problems but you can’t see a doctor as the waiting list for the appointment is 6 months if you’re lucky.
I have been waiting already more than three years and still on a waiting list. I have been sitting on all the documents. My father, my mother, my brother, cousins, uncles, etc. They are all citizens, all registered at the Comuna, I have all their transcrizioni, But I am still waiting. At this point I am just giving up; I wanted to benefit my daughter and also buy a property in Italy and move there but she is already of age so what is the point?
Thank you so much for speaking on the topic. For me it’s devastating and I worked so hard to gather my information,
All of my paperwork has been ready to go for 4 years. Couldn’t get a consulate appointment until 2026… now we have the minor issue.
I can understand the panic.
I've read that people have submitted documents to the consulate and we're told they're not getting them back now and they cannot move forward since it is a Minor Issue case
Can’t they just argue their grandmother or great grandmother didn’t give up their Italian citizenship because it was done automatically when their husband was naturalized?
I had a successful appointment at a consulate a few days ago. I did not have the minor issue. I'm happy as can be but wish I had started sooner. I still have a year to two wait before I'll have an Italian passport. My cousin is affected by the minor issue. He was just starting so not too devastating. It's truly heartbreaking when you know how much time, effort and money some have invested.
@RafaelDiFuria I assume that I am safe but just to ask, for someone who recently obtained citizenship by descent via a consulate where an ancestor's child was a minor when the parent naturalized as a US citizen, can the Italian government change their mind and now take that citizenship away? Or once we have the citizenship, are we safe and they can't take it back? Using Austria as an example, an Austrian lawyer told me that they can change their mind within 3 years of granting Austrian citizenship in certain circumstances. So hopefully this is not the case for Italy. I know it might be a "legal" question but I was just wondering what your "Gut" feeling is on this?
Oh, I see you answered this at 6:25 so thanks!
I’m lucky enough that my line did not have this issue, but had my great grandfather naturalized, I would have. But, I want to echo your sentiment that if you are even for a tiny amount considering obtaining your JS Italian citizenship, recognition that you do it now! Start the process now! Finish the process now if you’ve already started or if you’ve stopped working on it and have put your documents away somewhere because you became dissuaded at some point or didn’t think you wanted to deal with the bureaucracy or the wait times! it is so worth it! You, Rafael are the reason that I pulled my box out of the garage and completed my 13 year process and now have citizenship today! It wasn’t always easy, or always straightforward. But I will say that I have learned my story, the facts, and a history that I can speak to as to who I am. Thank you for everything. Thank you for this channel. And my heart indeed goes out to all of those affected by this news. Take heart and keep going if you’re able!
He was naturalized or recognized as a citizen?
Hi Rafael, I appreciate you sharing your opinions on this. Interesting point about the timing of this.
I just started the process of applying for Italian citizenship. I was going to move permanently to Italy and spend my $2.5m in retirement savings PLUS social security income PLUS pension income in Italy. Now that won’t happen. Is Italy being smart?
Similar situation here. Apparently, Italy is flush with cash and doesn't need any extra investments into its economy. So, no, Italy is not being smart. But that's the Meloni government for you.
My thoughts exactly!
Why not get a ERV?
@@alexhatcher8812 ERV is an option. But have to renew and qualify annually. If I decide to earn income during retirement then I don’t qualify. Also there must be a huge advantage to citizenship, otherwise people wouldn’t spend the enormous amount of time and money to get it.
@@alexhatcher8812ERV is not so easy to get. No guarantee that you’ll qualify, or be accepted. And residency does not come with all the advantages of citizenship.
I'm glad I got mine last year.
I am sad and angry at the same time. My mom and dad became US citizens when I was still a minor 😢. I do feel cut off. If they wanted to limit the amount of immigration and naturalization they should just limit it to one generation or two back and not this ridiculous convoluted broken /unbroken line stuff. Maybe the government should focus its efforts on building an economy that keeps its young people from emigration
Could you touch on Senate Bill 752 and your thoughts on the likelihood of it passing?
I think that the simple, most logical, and legally sound way to implement this new rule / application is: GO BY THE ITALIAN LAW AT THE TIME OF BIRTH OF THE APPLICANT AND HIS/HER CITIZEN ANCESTOR (LIRA). Then anyone born after October 2024 is subject to the new “minor issue”.
Is there a more recent update on this?
I waited four years for my appointment, spent $1000 on documents, and it is in December. Now, I'm screwed.
Maybe it's better to just go to Italy for 3 months and then go back and forth...less problems
Thank God i got my Italian citizenship over a decade ago; because with the new changes, i wouldn't be eligible if i had to do it now. I have siblings who didn't apply and now they can't. Kind of messed up if you think about it.
I am seeking recognition via JS myself right now so I feel for those impacted by the decision. I am very curious how many people or what percentage of those seeking citizenship recognition are affected by the decision. I think it will increase court cases in Italy and improve getting appointments at US consulates. I am going through the courts because I haven't been able to get an appointment for years but I also don't have a minor issue or 1948 case. Hopefully things improve for those not effected by the decision and those with the minor issue find better luck in court cases if they choose that route.
Italy is experiencing a crisis of demographic decline. I don’t understand why they would make it more difficult for ethnic Italians to immigrate. They should be actively seeking people from the diaspora to come back.
Maybe we are not diverse enough 😂
You are wrong. 77 milions of people lives in Italy. There are about 5 milions of 2nd generation of second generation italians (kids that are born and raised in Italy, italian native speakers) without italian citizenship, because we don't have Ius Soli.
You are also wrong a second time because the demographic crisis is due a strong economical crisis that makes impossible to young people to go live by themselves and make a family. The unemployment rate for people under 35 is 28%. In fact there are about 5 milions of italian immigrants all over the world that left to raise their families in more convenient places.
I understand that wealthy brazilians that have a non-realistic/stereotypical idea of Italy (in fact, being italian-descendent doesn't make you Italian, growing up in Italy does), wants to go there because concerned about their safety. But once you'll get there, and face the reality, you will not want to leave there.
@SummerVictory222, The demographic problem I’m talking about is the below replacement birth and collapse of your total population. The “ethnic Italians” I’m talking about are the ones in the diaspora around the world (of which there are more than the Italian citizens in Italy, principally in Brazil, Argentina, USA, Australia). I’m not wrong, you simply misinterpreted my comment. You wouldn’t be aggressively rambling about things that aren’t relevant to my comment if you sought communication and clarification rather than jumping to conclusions so you can bloviate and bluster about who’s “wrong”. The commenter before you understood exactly what I’m talking about. Don’t know how you missed it.
For some reason your government feels better about a flood of “boat people” that cook pets in the streets to try to fix the mathematically inescapable reality of low birth rate demographic collapse instead of inviting in highly educated and skilled workers from the Italian diaspora that at least care about and are familiar with Italian culture.
Don't try to figure out Italy.
@@SummerVictory222 I reckon that Brazilians being highlighted in this comment reveals a lot about what's happening and these changes taking place. Were these people only Argentinian or American we wouldn't be discussing that. For one thing, people tend to be oblivious about the existence of Italian-Brazilians. Secondly, Argentinians being the Europe of South America (their blacks have been decimated) and US being the global empire make it more palatable to Italians to welcome them as long-lost brothers. Instead, a third-world country with mixed-race background and a particular culture of its own seems to make some people, interestingly those on the left in many cases, cringe at the idea that some Brazilians might claim any Italian background. But most people have no idea that entire cities (one of them an economic powerhouse in the whole southern hemisphere) are deeply influenced by its Italian background: in their language, culture, cuisine and way of life. That does make a lot of people connected with their ancestry and Italianità, and creates a sense of belonging to a certain history and tradition... it is part of their identity. Now, I do understand, and it makes me sad, that some of those descendants have no interest in that but only in the advantages that an European passport may grant them, but we can't "fare di tutta l'erba un fascio" as the saying goes. Brazil is a huge country and it is not only about "football, caipirinha and samba" and we know, from our deep influence of Venetian culture, that Italy is not all about "pizza, pasta and mandolino." Do respect our background and the strife that our ancestors went through when they fought the poverty, were expelled from their native land in many cases, and had to cross the Atlantic with sometimes a big family and only their hopes to keep them going... as we do respect the land of our ancestors and its history (including part of the 20th century when we were not there).
This proposed law would create "second class" citizens who cannot pass on their rights to their children. IMO Italy should focus on rules for the loss of citizenship for those who do not meet basic obligations (keep records updated) or who do not demonstrate basic interest in the language/culture.
I heard about this and went wow! Have my citizenship (got in 2019). Thankfully when GF naturalized, my dad was in his 20s. But wow!
I’ve been wanting to but with the cost of getting a court order from New York State to get my mother’s birth certificate has made it out of reach😢
Im gonna say hundreds of thousands of people maybe millions are going to be affected by the minor issue. Italy will pay the price financially loss of revenue from people seeking citizenship. When apartment , restaurant and store owners are struggling they'll be thinking what did we do. Im willing to bet the amount of people that move to Italy for 3 months to a year applying for citizenship is close to half of the tourism revenue
Thank god I secured my dual citizenship back in 2016. But this might affect my wife's family. They've been working on it for years
So, if my wife's great grandfather naturalized before his son was born, she would be disqualified and same if he naturalized after he was born right? My brain is just not computing this....
@@dux_bellorumif the grandfather was born before the great grandfather was naturalized, and the naturalization happened after 1912 they would have been ok. Now Italy is adding on the grandfather (in this case case) would have to have been 21 or older when the naturalization occurred. They are now saying when the great grandfather naturalized that took away the grandfathers Italian citizenship. They are just screwing themselves
Marco's video was a bit confusing because he used language that isn't clear to non native speakers. This is so upsetting. It sends the message that Italians who grew up outside Italy whose parents/grandparents chose to naturalize when they were minors are no longer welcome to their rightful citizenship. Why discriminate against minors?
And it makes us feel that this is coming from the Italian people - that we are unwelcome. I understand how important that it is to respect the culture. But, is this a reaction to something? Did some citizens who came in this way create a problem? What is the reason? I haven't heard any justification.
I've sadly heard quite a few Italians welcome this change and don't view JS people, eapically Americans, as Italian.
I’m in the middle of getting my citizenship and traveled over to Italy and committed six months to being here all for this to just happen
I’m in the same boat, I spent tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys. I’ve rented an apartment for three years. I’m in Italy currently and then this happens.
Thinking about starting this process, but my question is: would I need a legal document for my grandmother who was born Raffaela but died as Anna? Would that hinder the process?
I have 4 different people I could try through, but I haven't started because I am still trying to figure out when in her life she changed her name, if it was done while she was getting married or before
@@annatomasso5226 I think it might depend on whether she just went by “Anna” for simplicity..a nickname.
My gm is Giovannina but used the nickname name “Jenny”. That is shown on her death certificate.
I do know that every time I changed my last name I had to produce a divorce docs and along with both marriage certificates and the 2 husband’s death certificate. This was the trail I had to show why the name change.
@@kat1963 Thanks, I was able to find the document where is looked like she changed her name. She was raised in an orphanage and who ever was the intake wrote down Raphanna instead of Raffaela.
@@kat1963 I found her orphanage document where it says Raphanna instead of Raffaela.
@ looks like to me she used Anna as a nickname. Did you check her SS records? They show every name she used for SS. My mom was married twice to my knowledge then when I looked up her SS I found there was another last name she went by, unknown to me🤔
All great points. Italy created so much moral hazard with this ruling that it's mind-boggling. Also, do they really want to stop the gravy train of relatively wealthy descendants repatriating? I would think, "no", solely based on lost tax revenue.
That is Italy ( The Government ) in a nutshell, I truly believe they don't care...
Italy is so Fcuk-ed up they can have my citizenship back! Lived there for 6 years over the past 15 years, never again. Nothing makes sense, banks are beyond corrupt along with utility companies and beyond. No one has ambition, no work ethic and pocket bureaucracy is so detrimental to everyone living there. This may just be my opinion, but anyone moving there, have a back up plan to leave. So glad to have got the hell out of there!
Amazing how Italy is acting considering that there are so many empty houses in Italy on the market ...How do they expect to build their economy with this way of thinking..it's almost like they don't want any outsiders moving there... maybe this is the reasoning for the changes...I get it but it's not like it's going to be an influx of Americans moving to Italy...that's not going to happen because I don't think that Italy would allow it!!!
@jayajaya788 The first house I bought ended in a disaster with a huge loss of money. The second house I bought took a year to sell, but I made most of my money back by shear luck. My last name is of Irish origin, my utility bills were double, after they were put in my wife's Italian last name bill were half, long story. The corruption is insane and I want no part of it, nothing gets accomplished. When it does it take months to years, think I am over exaggerating, give it try. My recommendation is have a plan to get the F out.
@@John-Shutterlyphotos Had the same sort of experience..... agreed never felt better than leaving it behind... expectations vs reality.
They certainly are welcoming Asians and Africans, to Italy.
I’ve never seen so many people of these nationalities here
@@paulzizzi-o3z If you come in and break all the rules they welcome you even more...
In my opinion, her statement about "Italians around the world" was clear; she does not consider the Italian descendants in the context, even those officially recognized and documented, and therefore voters. Her deputy prime minister proposed a rule that changes the tradition of *ius sanguinis* (right of blood), and the secretary in charge of embassies and consulates has been highly aggressive towards Italian descendants. An allied senator proposed a law against Italian descendants so full of errors and prejudices that it would have no chance of approval in the legislature. They have been incredibly aggressive towards Brazilian and Argentinean Italian descendants. Interestingly, many Italian companies still survive because their Brazilian branches have been sustaining the parent companies for decades (Brazil alone has more than 30 million Italian descendants). They have decided to burn a massive soft power, particularly in the Americas.
However this is crazy
So let me get this straight, if my wife's Great Grandfather never naturalized then she would still be good?
Yes
Depends on when, or if, the next person(s) in the line ever naturalized.
@biff529 Explain, please, my understanding is, if the great grandfather never naturalized, but his son was born in the US he automatically gets US citizenship. So I'm a bit lost.
@@dux_bellorumthat is not how it works in the US... I am peruvian, I came to the US and my son was born, my son is US citizen but not me (I had to do a separate application to become a US citizen, it is not automatic through my son's birth?
@b2balliance oh no, I meant the offspring is automatic citizens, not the parents. So, for the Italian citizenship, if I'm not mistaken as long as the parent doesn't get their citizenship or don't get their citizenship before their child turns 18, their descendants still qualify?
This has affected me as I can’t even get a court case as I don’t meet the wait requirements, so literally this decision has cut me off.
However I can’t see how you can interpret a law that’s been in use for 30+ years differently all of a sudden? So what they are saying, is u no longer have a right to Italian citizenship when ur born anymore? JS is literally right of blood….. does your blood cut off because ur parents naturalised before u r 21????
Something is amiss here.
So what will happen is they will push the issue to Italian courts and when the courts get fed up, maybe they will change the interpretation back to what it is and should always be!
I don’t see this being around for too long!
This urge y'all have to force immigrants to come in Italy and automatically be italians is very very strange.
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. According to the laws of Italy, anybody who is eligible for recognition of Italian citizenship by descent is in fact already a citizen at the time of their birth in the exact way that any other italian citizen born in Italy is recognized as a citizen simply for the fact that each generation of their family was able to legally pass down citizenship through their family line since citizenship in Italy. Due to that citizenship is not gained by location of birth (ius soli) it’s gained via the legal principle of ius sanguinis. The process that someone goes through to “get italian citizenship” not actually getting citizenship since the individual is already a citizen but has to go through a formality to bring the files held by the italian municipality up to date and conduct a delayed birth registration of the foreign born citizen… individuals who get citizenship by descent are not immigrants in a legal sense, they are legally equal with those who are born citizens in Italy or anywhere else since again italian citizenship is passed from one generation to the next and not because of location.
A little context, please. Are we only talking about minor children of Italians who naturalized after 1912? It’s been my understanding that naturalizations before 1912 ALWAYS caused the minor child to lose citizenship as a matter of settled law.
Just like in the US, if you come in a boat illegally they give you whatever you want......
There is nothing romantic about living in Italy. Find a new country. You'll be glad you did.
It’s actually a chaotic romance in which the low salary husband beats the wife, the wife tries to file for divorce but the Italian bureaucracy makes it linger for 5 years without a resolution, you have to bribe the judge so that they don’t forget to finish your case, meanwhile you can’t pay for you rent as you salary barely covers your monthly food expenditures, which leads to health problems but you can’t see a doctor as the waiting list for the appointment is 6 months if you’re lucky.
@@Arturestche brutte esperienze devi aver avuto
To me it's a better opera than watching the US spiral.
@@nicolettastrada5976 Esperienze o stereotipi? ("...husband beats the wife"..."you have to bribe the judge"..." you can’t see a doctor")
I have been waiting already more than three years and still on a waiting list. I have been sitting on all the documents. My father, my mother, my brother, cousins, uncles, etc. They are all citizens, all registered at the Comuna, I have all their transcrizioni, But I am still waiting. At this point I am just giving up; I wanted to benefit my daughter and also buy a property in Italy and move there but she is already of age so what is the point?