Although I'm portuguese, born and raised in Portugal, all my blood related family being portuguese as well, I don't look like the average portuguese woman. Therefore, when we had the eastern countries imigration boom, I lost count on how many times I heard people either telling me to go back to my country or asking me if I prefered living in Portugal than in Ucrania. I have countless stories about that. I must say it felt quite weird at the time. I felt I didn't belong anywhere, and I didn't even have a place to go back to. When people have their heads filled by stereotypes, they tend to reject everything that is unknown to them. Ignorance keeps them from having interesting new experiences because they keep pushing away the unknown. By the way, I had to show my ID card several times so that I could prove my nationality.
Are you perchance less golden haired and have brown eyes than people in Northern/Eastern European countries? Have you been asked what part of Iran you are from? Just curious.
'Home' is a feeling!! I found 'home' in Portugal and will never go back home to California except for visits. Things are challenging as an immigrant, but with patience and perseverance it all works out! I've NEVER felt anything negative in both France and Portugal.
Do you understand that this man has has gone nowhere and done nothing other than a move from Italy to Portugal in the last 10 years?? do you wanna know how sad he is?? I don’t think he likes to talk about it. He had a nice trip to Rome, and a partnership with Duolingo. he met his cousin and instead of going to a fantastic eatery they want to a pizza by the place. After that, it went blank and always saw it was him waking up the next morning hung over. Never wanted to partnership with him again?
in fact there is no "half" Brazilian haha, because Brazilian is a nationality and not an ethnicity, Brazil is like the USA, besides the Indians, we come from another location, I was born in Brazil, but I am half Portuguese and half Italian, I'm not talking about culture, I'm just saying that it's a bit confusing... You can even find small cities in the south of Brazil, sometimes the person has already been born in the country for four generations and their first language and ethnically is all German, for example
Rafi, you mentioned you moved and between that and this video you have me wondering... Did you go back to Italy? I am curious as to where you moved to but I know that is for you to share here if you choose to. Also, I hope you are feeling well because your eyes looked a little puffy so I hope you are well! But back on the topic of this video, as you know, the US elections are on Tuesday. Inevitably, there are people in the US who always threaten to leave the US if their presidential candidate loses an election. For me, although I can understand those feelings, I have always felt I did not belong in the US regardless of the politics (although to be fair, some of that also plays into my feelings but by no means is that exclusive). I felt this way for well over 20 years and when I first got the whiff of a clue that I might be able to get Italian citizenship by descent way back in 2002, I started to think about "what if I could do it and actually leave the US?" because when I think about the phrase "Go back to your country" I thought to myself, perhaps Italy is my true country because again, I don't particularly feel the US is and felt this way for a long time now.
Instead of "thinking" about getting Italian citizenship by descent, you should start trying to get your citizenship. This is better than complaining later that it takes too long... and that Italian bureaucracy is terrible, and Italy is impossible and this and that...
@@tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 I already have my citizenships. Both Italy AND Austria. I got them fairly recently. My plan is to move soon after 2027 once my youngest is done with high school. This also gives us time to learn the language(s). We already have the Passports, ID cards, Tax ID numbers (Codice Fiscale) and Certificates of Citizenship, so we should be all good to go as soon as my kid graduates.
@@tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 For me, it was years. The Covid lock-down screwed everything up since all the government offices were closed, I was unable to get records in a timely fashion (not that things are timely to begin with). My kids were still minors so I was able to apply for them at the same time (both parents have to sign off on the paperwork).
As an African American who lived in Portugal, I heard "volte para tua terra." Some Portuguese might ask; what did you do? The answer would be , nothing. I just got random Portuguese shouting for me to go back. I guess they thought I was from an ex Portuguese colony. I don't allow folks to tell me where I should or shouldn't be. I'm glad that you are enjoying Portugal, but I found it absolutely depressing. I even had waiters ignore me and talk to my white friends. It happened several times, but the Portuguese are in such denial that they will always blame the victim. I'm sorry that someone made you feel that you don't belong. I know that feeling. It's not a very unpleasant feeling.
Really? "return to your land" Damn. Man, Feb of '22 I had a lawyer in Madeira doing my plan, and to be honest, her price was VERY high. Which surprised me, but the "expat" movement was in full swing. But around that time, I started to hear about their new "Digital Nomad visa," and it required FOUR times the income amount of the D7. Giant price hike. Then I started hearing about demonstrations against people moving there. Then I started hearing hints about the NHR being shut down (it did), and about the Golden Visa going away (also diminished, but it was out of my league anyway). All these things seemed like subtle barriers to entry being built. A very "wall-like" structure was slowly assembling. So I pulled the stats from the Portugal govt records on WHO was moving there & from which countries--trying to get to the bottom of what looked like a growing movement against movers (biggest numbers were people from India, China, Brazil and England by the way). And I was like, there are BARELY any Americans, but on youtube it looks like we ALL moved there! hahah. So I just looked at the writing on the wall, and I shut it down. If a place doesn't want you, it's not a good idea to BE there. Even "home" in the US doesn't feel too great (I've had that waiter experience IN America). But there are other places out there, and I just saw the "Our Rich Journey" guys on a scouting trip to Thailand. Hopefully by Jan '25 I'm out!
It was very naive of u to think that foreigners being told to leave in a hostile way was only something you’d hear in the US. With all of the murdering, pogroms, assaults between different ethnicities throughout the world documented in texts and later audio and video, Y do u think u thought this??
Couldn’t stand living in Italy. People hated us. We went to Portugal and people love us ❤ As a married gay couple, the Italians really thought we were terrible. Yet in Portugal we are treated so well. No rude comments and lots of support ❤
@ my partner is Italian as well. It’s just a cultural thing. Strongly catholic country that is more conservative than much of Europe. Also, Italy has a level of corruption that we struggled with. We had to bribe everyone to get permits. Honestly, I don’t think we would have had issues as a straight couple. While there are places that are more progressive (Milan), the southern half of the country is not. Still love the country but feel like it needs to evolve a bit to be on par with the rest of Europe. Ultimately, my Italian husband felt we had to leave to be happy.
@@macaccount4315 I'm Not Gay and was part of a married couple married an Italian. Every single thing I do meets with resistance and discriminatory behavior as soon as they hear you weren't born here, doesn't matter how fluent your Italian. The extreme tribalism of Italy really pisses me off sometimes.n
@ I believe it. I felt protected by my partner and his family, but I also knew that when he said it was time to leave, that it was indeed time to leave.
So help me to explain something. You say that you are not your average globe Trotter. But you never leave your apartment. Unless you go somewhere close or a place like Italy that you are familiar with.? so how are you really a globe trotter. Even in your home, you do not even leave your apartment to show the most basic of things to people other than a walk to a café. Clearly, you have difficulty with the language. When you return to Italy, you go to places that are familiar And I think you have a better understanding of the language And yet you show almost nothing so it would really help me to understand how it is that you call yourself a globe trotter
An unrelated question: I believe you are still a US citizen. It's election season here. You seem to have no intention of returning to the US. Although you have the right to vote in the US, do you think it's ethical to vote in an election when you'll probably never live here?
As long as you're a US citizen, even abroad, you still have to do a tax return, and sometimes PAY. So yeah, it's ethical as hell to vote. You might recall a founding principle that's paraphrases as "no taxation without representation." Only one party picks and chooses which founding principles to believe in and seems to want to get rid of them; like who gets to vote.
@@BobKnight-mm2ze that's true! AngloAmericans wanted to have a vote in Britain even though they left Britain because they were still British citizens, so Americans who leave now to somewhere else should be able to vote too. I agree with this logic
the joe public in those places, they are straightforward and don't beat around the bush, not sayin' it is positive or negative, but it is the way it is
Although I'm portuguese, born and raised in Portugal, all my blood related family being portuguese as well, I don't look like the average portuguese woman. Therefore, when we had the eastern countries imigration boom, I lost count on how many times I heard people either telling me to go back to my country or asking me if I prefered living in Portugal than in Ucrania. I have countless stories about that. I must say it felt quite weird at the time. I felt I didn't belong anywhere, and I didn't even have a place to go back to. When people have their heads filled by stereotypes, they tend to reject everything that is unknown to them. Ignorance keeps them from having interesting new experiences because they keep pushing away the unknown. By the way, I had to show my ID card several times so that I could prove my nationality.
Are you perchance less golden haired and have brown eyes than people in Northern/Eastern European countries? Have you been asked what part of Iran you are from? Just curious.
I faced the same traffic issue, and datolock service helped me. They have a trial version, maybe it'll help you too
'Home' is a feeling!! I found 'home' in Portugal and will never go back home to California except for visits. Things are challenging as an immigrant, but with patience and perseverance it all works out! I've NEVER felt anything negative in both France and Portugal.
Funniest one I heard was two women arguing in Bermuda. They both kept saying "Go back to your country." Neither of them were from Bermuda 😂.
Rafael when i leave the United States i would not come back unless i visit family!
Sadly ignorance is global, even though people think its just an American thing.
Do you understand that this man has has gone nowhere and done nothing other than a move from Italy to Portugal in the last 10 years?? do you wanna know how sad he is?? I don’t think he likes to talk about it. He had a nice trip to Rome, and a partnership with Duolingo. he met his cousin and instead of going to a fantastic eatery they want to a pizza by the place. After that, it went blank and always saw it was him waking up the next morning hung over. Never wanted to partnership with him again?
@@philliph1245
I like how instead of answering the comment, all you have is ad hominem attacks. Wow dude. Just wow.
in fact there is no "half" Brazilian haha, because Brazilian is a nationality and not an ethnicity, Brazil is like the USA, besides the Indians, we come from another location, I was born in Brazil, but I am half Portuguese and half Italian, I'm not talking about culture, I'm just saying that it's a bit confusing... You can even find small cities in the south of Brazil, sometimes the person has already been born in the country for four generations and their first language and ethnically is all German, for example
Gisele Bündchen...?
Rafi, you mentioned you moved and between that and this video you have me wondering... Did you go back to Italy? I am curious as to where you moved to but I know that is for you to share here if you choose to. Also, I hope you are feeling well because your eyes looked a little puffy so I hope you are well!
But back on the topic of this video, as you know, the US elections are on Tuesday. Inevitably, there are people in the US who always threaten to leave the US if their presidential candidate loses an election.
For me, although I can understand those feelings, I have always felt I did not belong in the US regardless of the politics (although to be fair, some of that also plays into my feelings but by no means is that exclusive). I felt this way for well over 20 years and when I first got the whiff of a clue that I might be able to get Italian citizenship by descent way back in 2002, I started to think about "what if I could do it and actually leave the US?" because when I think about the phrase "Go back to your country" I thought to myself, perhaps Italy is my true country because again, I don't particularly feel the US is and felt this way for a long time now.
Instead of "thinking" about getting Italian citizenship by descent, you should start trying to get your citizenship. This is better than complaining later that it takes too long... and that Italian bureaucracy is terrible, and Italy is impossible and this and that...
@@tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 I already have my citizenships. Both Italy AND Austria. I got them fairly recently. My plan is to move soon after 2027 once my youngest is done with high school. This also gives us time to learn the language(s). We already have the Passports, ID cards, Tax ID numbers (Codice Fiscale) and Certificates of Citizenship, so we should be all good to go as soon as my kid graduates.
@@PaulFromCHGO How long did it take? Did you apply for both at the same time?
@@tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 For me, it was years. The Covid lock-down screwed everything up since all the government offices were closed, I was unable to get records in a timely fashion (not that things are timely to begin with). My kids were still minors so I was able to apply for them at the same time (both parents have to sign off on the paperwork).
@@PaulFromCHGOGerman and Italian very different and difficult languages, good luck😊
As an African American who lived in Portugal, I heard "volte para tua terra." Some Portuguese might ask; what did you do? The answer would be , nothing. I just got random Portuguese shouting for me to go back. I guess they thought I was from an ex Portuguese colony. I don't allow folks to tell me where I should or shouldn't be.
I'm glad that you are enjoying Portugal, but I found it absolutely depressing. I even had waiters ignore me and talk to my white friends. It happened several times, but the Portuguese are in such denial that they will always blame the victim.
I'm sorry that someone made you feel that you don't belong. I know that feeling. It's not a very unpleasant feeling.
Really? "return to your land" Damn. Man, Feb of '22 I had a lawyer in Madeira doing my plan, and to be honest, her price was VERY high. Which surprised me, but the "expat" movement was in full swing. But around that time, I started to hear about their new "Digital Nomad visa," and it required FOUR times the income amount of the D7. Giant price hike. Then I started hearing about demonstrations against people moving there. Then I started hearing hints about the NHR being shut down (it did), and about the Golden Visa going away (also diminished, but it was out of my league anyway). All these things seemed like subtle barriers to entry being built. A very "wall-like" structure was slowly assembling.
So I pulled the stats from the Portugal govt records on WHO was moving there & from which countries--trying to get to the bottom of what looked like a growing movement against movers (biggest numbers were people from India, China, Brazil and England by the way). And I was like, there are BARELY any Americans, but on youtube it looks like we ALL moved there! hahah. So I just looked at the writing on the wall, and I shut it down. If a place doesn't want you, it's not a good idea to BE there. Even "home" in the US doesn't feel too great (I've had that waiter experience IN America). But there are other places out there, and I just saw the "Our Rich Journey" guys on a scouting trip to Thailand. Hopefully by Jan '25 I'm out!
It was very naive of u to think that foreigners being told to leave in a hostile way was only something you’d hear in the US. With all of the murdering, pogroms, assaults between different ethnicities throughout the world documented in texts and later audio and video, Y do u think u thought this??
I was 5 years old at the time, there was no question I was naïve🤣
Couldn’t stand living in Italy. People hated us. We went to Portugal and people love us ❤
As a married gay couple, the Italians really thought we were terrible. Yet in Portugal we are treated so well. No rude comments and lots of support ❤
Sorry to hear that
@ my partner is Italian as well. It’s just a cultural thing. Strongly catholic country that is more conservative than much of Europe. Also, Italy has a level of corruption that we struggled with. We had to bribe everyone to get permits. Honestly, I don’t think we would have had issues as a straight couple. While there are places that are more progressive (Milan), the southern half of the country is not. Still love the country but feel like it needs to evolve a bit to be on par with the rest of Europe. Ultimately, my Italian husband felt we had to leave to be happy.
@@macaccount4315 I'm Not Gay and was part of a married couple married an Italian. Every single thing I do meets with resistance and discriminatory behavior as soon as they hear you weren't born here, doesn't matter how fluent your Italian. The extreme tribalism of Italy really pisses me off sometimes.n
@ I believe it. I felt protected by my partner and his family, but I also knew that when he said it was time to leave, that it was indeed time to leave.
@secondchance6603 treating everyone with dignity and respect is a very low bar. Guess that bar is too high for you. ❤️
So help me to explain something. You say that you are not your average globe Trotter. But you never leave your apartment. Unless you go somewhere close or a place like Italy that you are familiar with.? so how are you really a globe trotter. Even in your home, you do not even leave your apartment to show the most basic of things to people other than a walk to a café. Clearly, you have difficulty with the language. When you return to Italy, you go to places that are familiar And I think you have a better understanding of the language And yet you show almost nothing so it would really help me to understand how it is that you call yourself a globe trotter
An unrelated question: I believe you are still a US citizen. It's election season here. You seem to have no intention of returning to the US. Although you have the right to vote in the US, do you think it's ethical to vote in an election when you'll probably never live here?
Yes, some of my maternal ancestors have lived in North America since the 1620s.
As long as you're a US citizen, even abroad, you still have to do a tax return, and sometimes PAY. So yeah, it's ethical as hell to vote. You might recall a founding principle that's paraphrases as "no taxation without representation." Only one party picks and chooses which founding principles to believe in and seems to want to get rid of them; like who gets to vote.
@@BobKnight-mm2ze that's true! AngloAmericans wanted to have a vote in Britain even though they left Britain because they were still British citizens, so Americans who leave now to somewhere else should be able to vote too. I agree with this logic
The people i n "latine europe! thnk in a different way from you, they like talking a lot, they aint logical as you, you should keep it in mind 🙂
the joe public in those places, they are straightforward and don't beat around the bush, not sayin' it is positive or negative, but it is the way it is