I am so confused with this case.. I feel like the states case is lacking so much. of allllll of the cases this one NEEDED to be televised! I appreciate all of the sacrifices you and your whole family have made! thanks for your brilliant input!
I’m an IM doc, not a psychiatrist at all, but did work as a medical scribe in a locked psych unit before med school. To me, psychotic patients being afraid to leave their rooms (granted, it was a hospital and not a prison) was pretty common and was often a mix of what the other patients knew about them multiplied by pursecutory delusions. So I guess I don’t read in to much to the fact that RA was afraid to leave his cell.
Yeah this guy doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Doesn't it seem bad to him Walla was okay with the involuntary injections if they thought he was faking.
@@tinavegas4575has he weighed in on walla’s testimony yet? I’ve been wondering what he thought about get treatment, length of RA’s stay, etc. but haven’t seen anything pop up yet.
I'm not a Dr at all, I'm an educator but have suffered from levels of anxiety throat my life. I would think FEAR would just be intrinsic, inherent within what they've told us about his childhood thru adulthood experiences. I don't think that's a level of perception, problem solving or sanity at all. I think it's just natural for this guy. He's afraid of everything good and bad.
@@sonastysorude also what kind of therapist is in true crime groups on the case where the accused is her patient. The letter with the details was in Her handwriting, not his. Not guilty. Too many things don’t add up.
Thank you Dr John for taking the time, we know it’s extra busy at home with Lauren being out of town. I appreciate hearing your professional perspective. You & Lauren are a great team! Ty both!
Lauren, I love that you're calling the jerks out and defending Dr. John (not that he can't defend himself). I love that dynamic, that you have each others' back. And Dr. John, I do not blame you in the least for not wanting to be on TH-cam for a while. People can be so hurtful. I don't understand why someone would stay on your channel long enough to comment if they hate it so much. Just leave. No one is forcing you to watch. You've also done a great job at being objective. I've watched a lot of other channels on this case and they talk about the emotions they feel or how RA sounds in calls, stuff like that. I don't want an opinion. I just want the information and that's exactly what you provide. I only want opinion when Dr. John is evaluating the information from a psychology perspective. Ngl, I love when I think the same thing as him; gives me a sense of pride that I "got it right" lol. Anyway, haters gonna hate. But you have far more supporters. So the haters can F right off, in my opinion.
@ellendickey4769 They’ve decided Richard Allen’s innocent, so anything that points towards him being guilty, makes them angry, rather than making them reevaluate their opinion.
I am in exactly the same headspace. I so appreciate Lauren offering information in real time with very little commentary beyond noting things that were particularly effective on the stand, which she’s done for both prosecution and defense. I do really value her and Dr. John’s opinion, but I think the way they are forefronting this coverage is very respectful to everyone involved. I have had a really hard time with other sources of information because so much of it seems to be recycled information that is either not true or detached from a more nuanced reality (like solitary confinement vs. mental health watch - without stating one is better, there is a distinction). I honestly don’t know how I feel about a lot of things yet but I don’t want my conclusions to be shaped by information presented as fact that isn’t that black and white. I don’t know how anyone can be entrenched in an opinion without all the info.
This guy DID have an officer swearing at him and highly emotional. Then he was put into solitary for an extensive period of time. He already has mental health issues. This seems very close to torture and forcing a false confession. For me, there’s just no way I could convict. I cannot say he did it with any sort of certainty.
So they should hold his hand and sing kumbaya? And He would keep denying it . They had plenty of evidence agenced him and that is how intorigashions looks like . He confessed 60 times for the love of God what more do you want.? Are you trying to win something here ? This is no wining situation nobody is going to win anything on the end the most important is so he want do it agein and justice for those kids.
@@ignor6581no...this is just an unfortunate consequence of law enforcement not doing their job the RIGHT way, and it's how the system works. If the officers do their job improperly, it works FOR the defense in many circumstances. It is a long term consequences of government at large losing credibility and trust with the public, people are going to scrutinize their actions and they better be sure that they do their best to follow the rules on the books (just like the rest of us do, or risk the same fate...we all have to play by the rules). I haven't decided yet, so this isn't biased in any way; the system is just set up this way to do its best to ensure a fair playing field from all sides, and that's why it is in everyone's best interest to treat people humanely-including prisoners.
@Dr John. As a mental health professional you should know that depression could be the main factor as to why he did not leave his cell. Depression scan be debilitating and one loses any interest in anything.
Lauren, you did the Best coverage on this case. Thank you. Take a nice hot bath. Breathe a sigh of relief that it’s over. Kohberger case at least will have cameras. I hope you will be there to cover it. Thank you for your dedication
I’m disappointed not to see an extensive analysis of what it means for someone to be confined alone for months, being filmed all the time. Most attorneys on different podcasts agree that they’ve never seen such inhumane treatment for someone who, in this country, is presumed innocent. The psychologist who treated him in prison admitted to being a true crime fan, and it’s no secret that the van was discussed locally. My perception is that she had a strong influence in implanting guilt into his mind. The entire case is a mess on the state’s part. We appreciate the time you take to bring us information on the case, but it’s clear you lean towards the state, losing impartiality. Disappointing.
Inhumane? He got better treatment than most. He was not in solitary like they keep trying to say, he was with other inmates, right next door to him, he was with guards, he was with companions, he was NOT alone. This has been discussed numerous times in court. He got access to things many inmates dream of. This crap drives me crazy.
Solitary confinement for OVER a year, very little communication with family, shackled every time he exited his cell, followed around 24 hours a day with a camera, lights always on, and dealing with a very biased therapist (how do we know what she's been filling his mind with?) among other atrocities. Is this normal treatment for an "innocent till proven guilty" man? This is before this man ever went to trial!!! Where is the outrage? Im not saying he is innocent. Im waiting on all sides to present before i decide. But all of this horrible treatment makes me doubt the confessions and there's been very little concrete evidence presented.
Are you kidding me, he considered his therapist his second wife and told her so. And as has been stated wrongly for months-the man experienced nothing like “solidarity” or “the hole”. It’s hyperbolic nonsense and it’s insulting to anyone who has actually experienced the conditions of true solidarity confinement-who were never afforded daily visits, companions, phone calls, communication/entertainment devices and hot showers to name a few
@@HeidiFredFab she used her DOJ credentials to have a little peek at Keegan Kline’s medical file. He was not her patient so a clear HIPAA violation. If she was so invested in the online discourse of the case that she would violate her Code of Ethics and federal law, then she clearly had some pre-conceived notions about the case and/or the capability to suggest things to a highly suggestive personality in active psychosis to include into his confession things “only the killer could know”. Illegal and unethical.
My grandmother, born 1890, had a mental illness that was not diagnosed by modern standards. She was hospitalized for almost two years in the 1930's and treated with ECT. Whether she had a major depressive disorder with intermittent psychosis, or schizoaffective disorder, I don't know. She was never well. And she would never leave her house. or get in a car with a family member, out of perpetual fear. The notion that her fear of leaving her home suggests she was not psychotic is ridiculous to me. Fear is not based on reason. Fear is fear.
It could be because she was afraid she would be driven back to a facility and that done on her. Back then a family member or husb could get a woman committed if they wanted rid of them. I don't blame her one bit.
I love and respect you both Lauren and John! I love what you said about surrounding yourself with people who disagree with you. The current world we live in has unfortunately lost that, and I truly hope we can find it again. We took debate class in the 90s when I was in high school, and it was so valuable in learning to listen to other's points of view! Thank you both for sharing your knowledge and experience, I learn something every time I watch and listen to you!
Dr. John did great! Those technology issues can be a bummer! Lauren, you and John are wonderful together! Lauren, also absolutely admire your diligence and hard work to bring the information from the trial. Lots of hard work!!
I couldn't even imagine being isolated and treated badly in a scary place like he was in. Especially if you were innocent . A normal person would go insane.
I think I would go more insane if I was falsely accused of this heinous crime and was housed in gen pop, that is if I’ll live long enough to even realize what’s happening. RA is being protected from himself and from other inmates that would love to snuff his a$$. If there’s a conspiracy to cover up an odd cult sacrifice that involves all higher uppers in this tiny town then Ron Logan would have been the way better and easier fall guy and they wouldn’t have to wait 5 years for an arrest.
I find the report of RA’s high anxiety reinforces his confessions because he zeroed in on the fear of abandonment due to what he said he did. That fear seemed primary verses the fear of life in prison. Seemed consistent with his psychological disorder.
Anxious people do not commit crimes like this. Psychopaths do not experience anxiety. They use people like objects. Dependent people need constant reassurance to do anything.
Someone please help me out! Am I the only one who finds MANY of the judge’s actions suspicious? Michael Kraynick, the judge in the Sarah Boone/Jorge Torres trial in Florida was the polar opposite of this judge. IMO, he left no stone unturned, cited case law and more to ensure no grounds for appeal. JS
Regardless of whether we believe RA is innocent or guilty, Judge Gull's handling of this trial raises concerns for everyone. The judge is not sufficiently ensuring that all legal bases are covered for potential appeals or for RA’s guaranteed rights as a defendant.
@@63electricmayhem- Per Brian Weber testimony Brad was also at the scene at time of abduction. There was also DNA entangled in Abbys fingers that was not tested for 7 years, and just before trial. A failed LE investigation electronic devices were not collected, downloaded and examined of other possible suspects.
How did this man go through his entire life and worked full-time and had a wife and family and none of this never was a problem for him he has no criminal record. So his first crime is killing 2 little girls?? Also , does it so perfectly he leaves practically zero evidence as if he’s a skilled non nervous criminal?
Firstly, many killers have no prior criminal record so this isn’t unusual. Secondly, who said he didn’t leave behind any DNA? they didn’t find any but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t any at the crime scene. The outdoor crime scene can destroy forensic evidence especially when you consider they went through a creek which is where many of the clothes were found.
I’m literally SO proud of Dr John for holding it down and continuing the conversation when you dropped off. He’s grown leaps and bounds in his TH-cam finesse!!! 🎉❤❤❤
@@lilybee_ THIS. It’s like Lauren thinks there aren’t other sources in the room, like several attorneys, so we can tell when they’re spinning information
The most important thing about the confessions is that before he ever confessed he told his wife "i will say whatever they want me to say" if it became too much for her.
A man who is majorly codependent on his wife and freaks out when separated from her is going to confess to a crime he didn't do and spend the rest of his life in jail and be separated from his wife for the rest of his life????? Uh NO
Does anybody else wonder if she has her cheek fillers insured? They live in a separate zip code but are still an important participant in the presentation, for sure!!!
Why does Dr John think the “confessions” were before the psychosis? How can solitary confinement for 13 months NOT be torture? How do you account for the “confessions” being inaccurate about molestations and other murders?
I think it's really important to give context around what lead to him swearing at the guards.. they cut off all contact between RA and his mom and wife.. that's when RA lashed out
So you threaten to kill a Corrections Officer because of that. Short Fuse? Maybe the type of guy who might commit an awful crime? Context is important like why his phone calls got cut off in the first place. Would love to know that info.
@@HiddenTrueCrime I understand, but that goes back to his attachment disorder. Threatening to cut off all contact between him and his family that he was attached to. That was the only time that the violence came out from what I understand?
@@nelenesmithSA whatever it is in response to doesnt remove the fact that there is a video of Richard Allen threatening to unalive guards, and that is considered aggressive.. Many crimes and threats are in response to something a person deals with, but it still happened.
I went to Nursing School(4 years)in Indiana and worked some Psych. It was a policy in charting to ALWAYS put quotation marks around statements and replies the pt gave pr it was not considered authentic, this is like initially paragraphs in a statement you are signing.
As someone who’s so in love with my husband…I love watching yall because the expressions on Lauren’s face when Dr John is doing his thing is PURE admiration, reverence, love, and excitement. I love yall. ❤
@@michellesanchez2531 I think it’s very creepy since he’s like forty years older then her. She was definitely gr00med. I wonder the psychology of that? See, I can also interpret other human beings uncharitably, just like Dr. John and his lack of empathy or humanity
@alicetoyou448 ….uhmmmm not true at all lol She may LOOK a lot younger than him but she’s not. Also, they met because a mutual friend set them up on a blind date…how could he have groomed her? If you think Dr John has no empathy for humanity you don’t know him at all and clearly haven’t watched all his other videos especially about the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell case. He is one of the most compassionate empathetic men I’ve ever know and I don’t even know him personally. 💕
I just want to say I love how the two of you work together. I’m sure you have a full plate without explaining all these crimes for us . Don’t change and don’t quit because of a few jealous, mean people . ❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
I CANNOT with all these people referring to what he was in as "solitary confinement." It was NOT. Is it a deliberate mischaracterization or are they genuinely that ignorant? Maybe they mean "Solitary" confinement, and think he was playing card games with the people who were around him 24/7 *to keep him alive (the audacity, how dare they, they should have let him alone to carry out what he even hinted at in recorded phone calls to his wife I guess??)?* I for one am actually glad he's alive. How dare I be glad about that. Keeping him alive was cruel and unusual, apparently. 🤷♀️
Yeah and they take everything that is being said here out of context. Even if it the murder was on film, those people would claim it was a fake video or something.
EVEN if he did have psychosis from being in a cell, doesn't mean that his confession was false. Two things can be true. He did this and he flipped out in prison. Thank you Lauren and Dr John for your coverage of this case!
Absolutely!!! Also like Dr John mentioned how can he be in psychosis and be able to correctly use a tablet and know exactly who he is calling and talk to!! Wouldn’t he be calling Santa if he was that out of it?!?!?
@@jeanie8831 it almost goes to the point that he did do it. Who would most likely go crazy in prison? A raged killer or an innocent person? An innocent person has the truth to fight for. A guilty person knows they sealed their fate!
Lauren - Respectfully - please provide the full background - not partial moments " learned" taken out of context. It makes a big difference in Dr Johns's responses. -- It just sounds like you're confirmation biased ....ssomeone trying to fit their bias of him into the narrative. He hasnt even been proven guilty yet!!! Before his arrest, he acted like any normal person being accused. Please don't only plant bits of info for some theory of analysis of the man. Thats not fair. At least that's how its coming across. Imho
I agree. Also respectfully. Im SO confused that Dr. John bases his opinion on the parts of the "confessions" (for example the abuse) that are highly problematic and on the opinions of the STATE "expert" Wala, who is of course biased to prosecution just like you say defence expert is biased to them. And Dr. Wala has huge problems with how unprofessional she has been through (looks like) a length of her career, not just this case. Im so bothered by the biased or selected basis on which this opinion is built on. Sorry. Just my opinion. Im a bit disappointed because I really respect both of you so so much. But of course this case is a hard one when we cant hear and see the evidence ourselves and everything comes out through someone's perpective. I just had to say this but + and any case thank you for the coverage. I really appreciate it. Oh, also I need to add that trial is a theater and in this one judge is blocking so much from jury, so Lauren , as you can see all the evidence defence cant get in and they are fighting to bring the defence even to the jury... I respect that you are a journalist, not a lawyer, but I think you are also knowledgable and understand court proceedings, that you could also bring up those insights as a part of reporting to John and viewers. (And then I say as disclaimer that there must be so much going on in the court that it's impossible to catch all, so I understand that too, as much as I can from my couch in Finland ❤🇫🇮). This is not meant from a bad place. That's what I try to say.
@@KookyKarelianSeeing as you're from Finland, near where Odin was originally worshipped in the pagan days, do you buy the Odinism theory? I'm having a hard time believing a modern day human sacrifice would be done in daylight, with victims who would be immediately missed and nothing was cleaned up afterwards. And like three or more people were there but nothing was seen or heard, except people who all thought they saw a singular man. This whole case is very disturbing and I definitely haven't made up my mind. I wish we had more evidence.
@@keeperofthedomus7654 I am Finnish and my husband is Danish and I have to say that in Scandinavia today, and in any recent past, we havent heard of human sacrifices or odonism. Mostly pagan traditions are based on nature and not violent at all. The pagan traditions that are left today are far far away from anything malicious. We are so safe and chill over here. 😇 Back in the days Im sure times were different but I dont know enough about odinism to really say anything. Also I have a feeling that the 3rd party culprit theories in this case and the groups in them are some "spinnoffs" from the original groups and might be something darker. I cant rule it out, but I would really wish this case was investigated better and we had more facts and that there would be more transparency in the whole process. Now it's just a mess... I dont understand how 1 person could have done the crime in the state's timeline, it doesnt make sense to me. Also I strongly believe that the defence should be allowed to present their case and theory so that then jury can decide which side has presented a better case. And also I find it so hard to accept that defence is not allowed to bring up the people who have been suspects and/or have confessed to the crime before. It just doesnt sit right with me. The victims and their families deserve justice, and justice is that the real perpetrator is convicted. I dont know if that is happening and if this judge and prosecution are after the justified result or just someone to pin this to. I think all avenues should be visited and all evidence presented to the jury who can then decide fairly. So yeah, I have no idea what to believe, this case is so heartbreaking. And like you said, I wish we had more evidence.
@@KookyKarelianso if somebody was suspect at one time but police have cleared them and know they didn't have anything to do with a crime, you think it's okay to bring it up? how is that a fair trial to the girls justice? throwing people who have alibis at the jury is a waste of everybody's time.
I want to thank you, Lauren, for stating your opinion about his guilt. You have been in that courtroom every day. And you start out neutral and unbiased. I listened to your show yesterday. I love it. DR John's working w hundreds of sa criminals, lends such credibility Once again, I thank you both.
were the conversations not including confessions left out? I bet there were several, non-psychotic conversations with family and others about other things like, how is xx doing, did you pay the bill for xx, I had some eggs for breakfast today. ..
Are we not going to complain the defense witness is cherry picking them?? Why is it only an issue if you think the prosecution did the thing? We were talking about a defense witness here.....
@@annedavis3340 That is what I meant by my second comment. Would have been better if the judge allowed both: all confessions and all video footage from prison. But I imagine that would be very time consuming and not practical!
I have a question? Brad Weber stated he drove a black suburu as his daily driver unless he was servicing his ATM's. Webers first report to LE way back when was he got off work at 2:02 and the drive home would put him on the dirt road below the bridge about the time the State says the girls were abducted. After the time frame was put out to the public, Weber then claimed he serviced his ATM's that Monday and didnt get home until much later. Then, at trial he testified ʻfhat when he drives the van a trailer is attached to his van. This was first mention of Webers van pulling a trailer. RA confession was he saw a van, but no mention of trailer. The 3rd statement after RA was arrested Weber went back and said he didnt service his ATM's that day. Which means he would have been driving his black car.
Lauren you look FABULOUS! Ignore the haters. You guys are doing a great job and working your asses off. People have no idea how hard this case has been to cover! Sleeping outside just to get into court is hardcore commitment!
@@specialkl4792 Perhaps making comments as to the obvious work she’s had done to her face and mouth and the false eyelashes, etc. People shouldn’t be saying anything, it’s none of their business.
When you have anxiety, depression and you were forced to work or committed to it, you just do your best every day but it’s a struggle. You might go home and sleep another 15 hours to get to work that next day for an eight hour shift so that you can cope at work there’s a lot of sacrifices you make to maintain employment, your personal life. Give them some credit for successfully achieving a work history and military background and raising a family and not having any previous arrest.
OMG - The malingering tests were done!!!!!!!! Lauren you were in the courtroom today???? The psychologist went to great lengths to discuss the tests for malingering. She Did test him. She explained the whole process and how it’s an objective test not a subjective test. How his attorneys weren’t there. How the test is given by a specific person who administers this /these tests so they are consistent. John you’re not getting good information.
Have you EVER seen a pre-Trail detainee being incinerated in SOLITARY in PRISON for 13 months RATHER than JAIL?!!! I understand there's a LAW stating nobody should be put in SOLITARY for more than 30 DAYS?!!! WHY IS THIS EVEN ALLOWED?
RAs behavior and words (“ I should just die”, “I should Kill myself”) put him on S-watch, he was not in solitary confinement, as punishment. Let’s not forget why he is on trial. 🙏🏻🪦🪦☮️
@@dianealarcon8304 Let's Question why he is ALONE in a cell in a PRISON instead of in jail. Let's not forget why he is on trail and let's try to remember that everybody is assumed innocent until convicted by a jury.
1. Not solitary. 2. The jail couldn't keep him safe from others or from himself. Is that what would prefer? We need prison reform in the US. Absolutely true. Also RA is not an example of it. He's an example of the system bending over backwards to try to make sure he's safe and receiving appropriate treatment.
@@63electricmayhem I'm in the UK yes I think prison reform is needed here too. You say definitively that RA is "Not in Solitary" so could you explain the difference to me between Solitary Confinement and being alone in a cell 24/7 ?
@@Melody-st4dfsure! He wasn't alone in his cell for 24/7. He got daily visits outside of his cell with his therapist. He had access to a tablet, which was replaced free of charge when he broke it and offered a TV in the meantime. He had over 700 calls to family. He received many privileges you don't get in solitary confinement. Again, the jail couldn't keep him safe from others or himself. Would you prefer he stayed there anyway?
Doctor Not sure if you aware But Kathy Allens brother died around Christmas in a motorcycle accident. He was the caregiver of Kathy's parents. Many of us who have followed the case have speculated this could have been an abandonment trigger for Rick since he has been diagnosed with dependent personality disorder. This may have taken Kathy's focus off of Rick. Just food for thought since Kathy's brother passed away a couple of months before the crimes occurred. My thought was the crimes were a passive way of punishing her for her precieved abandonment. It's actually a bit narcissistic but I would imagine people with dependent personality order would possess some narcissistic/manipulative traits much like borderline personality disorder. Also it's been awhile since I've read the DSM-5 but if that's true that the defenses psychologist claimed something was not in the DSM-5 that actually is that's a really bad look to say the least considering the DSM-5 is the book/Bible to a psychologist. Hopefully the prosecutor points that out. Also not sure if you know this, but there was a domestic disturbance call to Ricks house by the wife, not sure if that was the incident where he put the G in his mouth. Most of Kathy's FB posts of her and Rick involved them drinking a lot and being bar flies. They were members of a billard club at a bar. It always seemed a bit toxic to me/enabling considering he was an alcoholic.
@bees, thank you. I was wondering if Kathy withdrawing from her mother protector role may of been the catalyst. And, to my understanding Kathy's 911 call was in reguard to RA threat of self harm. I could be wrong.
Seems like a valid theory. Interesting! I’ve had similar thoughts of narcissism along with the dependent personality. 😉 I suspected the trigger could be his daughter’s engagement since his daughter looks so much like Libby and Libby seemed targeted more than Abby? But that’s very interesting information that Kathy may have been more absent on him. Hmmmm….
It is not possible to use a soft science like psychology to determine with 100% certainty whether these confessions are true or false. You have to focus on what 13 months of solitary confinement can do to an emotionally vulnerable person. And you have to focus on whether the confession is consistent with the evidence. The hardest part of this investigation is that there is no time of death that can rule suspects in or out. Somewhere between 2:32 pm, and when they were found the next day, around noon. I have never seen such uncertainty about time of death. For Richard Allen to have done this, he would have had to lift and carry a 200 lb girl over his shoulder. He is a cardiac patient. He would have been wet from the creek and very bloody. There is no explanation for why Abby's blood is missing from the scene. She was already on top of the phone at 2:32 pm when it stopped recording movement. She was already dressed when she was killed, and her blood was already missing. No water in lungs. Upper torso dry. Someone tried unsuccessfully to open the phone at 2:14 pm, and 18 minutes later, they are both dead with Abby on top of the phone, and they are some distance from the bridge. Make that make sense. I think Libby may have thrown the phone across the creek to keep the killer from opening it. They all crossed the creek to get to the phone, because the killer was obviously worried about what was on there. But they neglected to look under Abby? Something is very wrong here. You can't tell if it is a crime of opportunity or if it was planned. The undressing could be staging to mask the real motive. I feel like there is a 15% chance Richard Allen somehow did this, but we are missing critical information that would explain how. I also think he may have lied when he told his wife he went to the trail that same day, before the crime was known. The tower didn't detect his phone at the trails. No one saw a short man, and no one saw his car parked there. 15% chance he wasn't even there that day but wanted his wife to think he was, before he knew about the murders. 85% chance he is innocent and the people who did this are white nationalists. Look at the 2008 stabbing murder of 11-year-old Thomas Hunter in Omaha. It took 5 years to solve, and it was a miracle it was ever solved. Better to let complex crimes go unsolved than to railroad the wrong person for political reasons. Police departments that are inexperienced with complex homicides should probably not be involved at all in an investigation like this.
He can be an honest person and still be confused and think he did it when he didn't. I went through a brief psychosis, and even though it's been over thirty years, I still don't know how much of what I remembered happening was real and what was my mind playing tricks on me, and I wasn't even in a situation like his where people were accusing me of killing someone. I don't think he did it.
Soo are we just forgetting all the other damningevidence placing RA as the only logical person to be BG and pretending this is a case about prison conditions now or something?
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5svhe’s definitely NOT the only logical person. There were at least two other possibilities if you’ve been following the case since last year or earlier.
RA worked, had a wife and daughter, engaged with friends and family, went hiking, fishing, hunting, and went on vacation, even though he dealt with anxiety and depression. A person that has MH issues through different periods of their life can still have inappropriate thoughts and commit murder. They can still manipulate and lie to others. There is no pass, or half of those found guilty of M who have MH issues would never be found guilty of the crimes they commit.
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5sv zero evidence he did it.. no one placed him there! He was trying to be a good citizen and tried to help by calling the tip line! If he was guilty, he wouldn’t have called! Duh!!
It’s a bit lukewarm to make a statement that Richard Allen “feels like he’s being tortured“. There’s plenty of study that shows that solitary confinement causes severe psychological disorders and stress. How about six months? How about 13 months? He absolutely was being tortured.
Exactly. And not only that, there’s a lawsuit against the Indiana Department of corrections where the judge ruled that leaving someone with a serious mental illness in segregation for more than 30 days is a violation of their eighth amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment. Whether he is innocent or guilty makes no difference.
@@leshondaprice5417you don't get daily therapy visits in solitary. You don't get a new free tablet when you break your old one. You don't get to make 700 calls to loved ones. Just to start. He was on s watch, and was away from the general population for how own safety. What are the choices here? Ignore his suicidal comments? Throw him with everyone else and just see what happens? He got extra privileges and treatment.
I really don’t know what I think about this case. I thought he was probably guilty before the trial started, but then I watched the prosecution case and started to have questions. Without the confessions, I don’t see them achieving beyond reasonable doubt. So just how solid these confessions are is the central question. But how can he be malingering and confessing at the same time? Why confess?
@alia9087 you certainly can have it both ways, OR ALL THREE, and logically, as well. On Day 1 you may be perfectly sane, and on Day 2 not all there. Does Day 1 make Day 2 "not real?" What if on Day 3 you're back to normal BUT start lying in increasingly creative ways to try to negate what you were told you said on Day 2? Day 3 is malingering, even if Day 2 was genuine. Exaggerating genuine symptoms you're currently having is malingering too. 🤷♀️ And IF by Day 10 if you're in a rapid decline BECAUSE whether or not you're malingering they can't just let you starve to death or whatever you're up to, action must be taken to protect you from yourself, whether the primary CAUSE going on is genuine or feigned. They STILL need to keep you alive either way. I hope that helped, and I mean that in a non-snarky way.
Thanks to both of you, you are one of the few people providing rational analysis of this case. Thank you for keeping the perspective of what this is really about, justice for Abby and Libby it is greatly appreciated.
So disappointed after getting a membership at the beginning of this trial to now see that you are putting what you consider to be most intimate under Patreon. Membership canceled.
Well if people could react normal instead of harressing people like Dr John, they wouldn't have to do this. But some people are nuts and safety comes first.
@@tarantulagirl3961 nobody else reporting on the case is having a problem. If Dr. John wasn’t saying such unethical and cruel things, he’d be fine, too. Maybe he should look in the mirror instead of blaming the audience.
You guys weren’t addressing the impact of being in solitary confinement with lights on 24/7 had on his mental state. He might’ve confessed to anything if it meant he’d get out of that environment.
Fear of leaving his cell is not a "problem solving skill"! It could be paranoia, or he could just be incapacitated by fear of any transition. There may be no thought associated with it. At this point, it could be PTSD.
Exactly. And I really don't think him not malingering = honest, therefore the confessions must also be honest! Crazy how this Dr. makes that mental leap. It is clear that not malingering = mentally ill, therefore the confession can't be trusted!
@@physics4290 exactly. Something is wrong with these people. I liked them before this case. I think John is going senile or something. He’s lost all empathy and is acting like Nancy Grace.
No, he's following the evidence. And it leads to Richard Allen. Maybe it's your bias blinding you. Is that possible? Who would you rather be guilty of this horrendous crime? Would you feel better if it was somebody else?
@@Scorpio-unicorn14 I would have liked the people listed in the Franks Motion to be fully investigated. A lot of them had far more suspicious behavior and connections to the victims and properties nearby. If you haven’t read it, you should, not to change your mind but to have all the information.
Why would he be faking it and then also go around confessing. It sounds like the two started occurring at the same time which doesn’t make sense. Also why does Dr John never talk about the solitary confinement component. Surely this is not a helpful way to treat people who are already struggling with mental illness which often individuals in prison are.
But what is the alternative then? Being housed in general population and getting beaten to death by other inmates within days of arrival? Or being free to unalive himself? He wasn’t in true solitary confinement, he had access to tablets, TV, daily therapists and was allowed to make hundreds and hundreds of phone calls to his wife. There’s a huge difference there.
@@leshondaprice5417 you can be faking symptoms *and* about to go past no return on a hunger strike. Faking is not mutually exclusive from doing no harm to oneself
Respectfully, and knowing that Dr John certainly knows his stuff, I do disagree on numerous points in this video. I contracted mental health services for a prison and my daughter provided mental health group sessions for violent offenders in another prison. It was a horrible experience, not because of the people we counseled but because of the overt and even aggressive behavior by prison officials concerning mental health. They all, and I mean all in these two examples, considered mental health a joke and that all prisoners were faking. A real eye opener. God help the individual who finds themselves in such a hostile environment AND NOT EVEN CONVICTED YET, like RA. I witnessed abusive treatment, abusive language- both rampant. Now, this is just my experience, but let me just say that I was deeply impacted by the general conditions I witnessed in prison. Of course the environment affected RA’s mental health, and probably drove the confessions. I greatly appreciate all Lauren and Dr John are doing to put a light on this case, and I also greatly appreciate that they provide a platform we’re civil disagreement is honored.
People who are arrested for a double homicide are usually held in custody. There is nothing unusual about this case. The defense can’t use the Odin bs, and RA cannot plead insanity, because he’s not insane. This is all they got left. They are trying to poke holes in the perfectly good confessions. Problem is.. there are 61 of them.
I’m sorry but the way this crime scene was specially posed/staged? This isn’t just an unwell man who had a random act of violence/sexual assault. This was extremely purposeful and knowledgeable in a way that in my opinion would be likely impossible in the scenario presented against RA. It’s just very clear that it’s much more than that.
If people do enough digging they would find all the symbology of this crime even explaining why one was dressed the other not, yet, somehow the defence cannot show this. However, the prosecutors never showed any interest in this stuff by RA
Te Odin theory was first presented by both local law enforcement and the fbi. The defense tried to present the odinism angle but it was blocked by both the prosecution and the judge because it points to other suspects beside Mr Allen. This is just another reason why many outside lawyers are crying foul in this case. The defense keeps trying to work around all the evidence and other suspects that they can not talk about. Defense should be allowed to give all alternative cases to the jury and let the jury decide. This is not happening here in this trial. It seems like a cover up by the state and the judge.
Please tell Dr John how much we appreciate him……..appreciate both of you. I understand why he wouldn’t want to come on TH-cam. Some of us are on fixed incomes and can’t pay for Patreon, even though we wish we could. Dr John has helped me keep an open mind here. I’m still alarmed at how little the court cares about civil rights, but I’m now willing to curb my outrage and at least listen. Thank you so much, y’all.
What are your thoughts of Dr. Wala's conduct? She was a member of 7 true crime channels researching this case while treating him! That is inappropriate and imo makes her assessments suspect.
Dr. John was unconcerned about Dr. Wala's behavior during the Patreon phone call with Lauren yesterday, which surprised me. He stated that as long as Wala is simply RA's therapist, her actions outside of work are not relevant. I respectfully disagree with Dr. John on that point. Wala misused the prison's database and was deeply involved in true crime social media, publicly commenting on the case. At the least, there is a perceived conflict when Wala engaged in those actions.
But Dr. Westcott took info of RA from Kathy who has no objective view of Rick... what outside info is ok for Assessment and what info isn't? I think with Dr. Wala it could have been handled better... but Rick confessed many times. Medicated not medicated, to family, prison guards, Dr.Wala, other inmates... to me sounds like he wanted to confess because he felt the guilt
Um, NO.. equating him fearing leaving his cell to having meta-cognition is a huge step when you completely ignore he has a persecution fixation as a PART of his psychosis. 🤨
Just FYI … WTHR news first published today that RA’s daughter said no when asked if she loved her father. They now have a retraction on their article today saying she said yes. Lauren was correct.
He wanted his wife to say she would love him even if he murdered those girls. She kept telling him not to say he did it but I think she finally told him she would love him anyway. The way she responded though, led me to believe she was very reluctant in that aspect which would tend to make him fear she wouldn't still love him if he insisted he did it. It puts someone with that disorder in a terrible spot.
I disagree respectfully with the Dr. I believe he was under horrible circumstances in prison. I have not seen the videos, but the way this trial is going, he is not the killer!
@@HiddenTrueCrime I'm having trouble with the lack of solid evidence DESPITE the confessions. I guess I'm saying, "PROVE HIS CONFESSIONS". One Psych said his reality isn't our reality. So Law Enforcement needed more evidence to say his confessions fit all the evidence. It's just not sounding "Beyond a reasonable doubt". Very tough.
What Dr. John said about RA's confession to his wife, even though he has dependent personality disorder and should want to please her just had me saying "Wow." I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's discussion. Thank you both.
I agree. I also thought of this: what if he has always confessed to Kathy about his proclivities and she has accepted him? So he knew he could trust her to still love him even if he has done this? However, she was trying to protect him so she told him not to talk. I wish I could ask Dr John if this could be his motivation to continue to confess to Kathy.
I know you miss your family. Thank you for doing this for us. You are part of history.....they will talk about this trial for a very long time. Blessings upon you and those you love. You Rock girlfriend.
The only concrete proof is his confession, which only occurred while he was in solitary confinement. Solitary confinement is reserved for convicted felons, not for Rich Allen. I don't comprehend why some claim he faked his condition; if someone has mental health issues and is very concerned about how others perceive him, being in a location with constant light and cameras on him for 24 hours, along with being under suicide watch for 13 months, could severely harm his mental state. All the evidence is weak from prosecution; it is not justice if that evidence only tries to make Allen the suspect; they have ignored other possible suspects. Convicting the wrong killer is not justice.
I think that he said he was there, on the bridge, at the time the girls were there, wearing clothes like the BG was, and a bullet consistent with his gun was found between their body’s adds to his confession. And it’s a push to think that being in protective custody would make someone repeatedly confess to his wife and mother. I could see where it would increase anxiety and depression but not make you confess when people are telling you to stop. He wasn’t being coerced to confess. He was being told to shut up about it.
They have not ignored other possible suspects. You clearly lap up everything the defense attorneys put out there but they only put out half the context. How do you think they even knew about these other possible suspects? because of the discovery that shows the police looked into these suspects you think they ignored. The defense can lie and say ohh look at this dodgey Brad guy and how suspicious he is but they arrested richard allen omg. When in reality the defense know exactly why they didn't arrest brad. Because they cleared him. He was at work until around the time of crime and wasnt anywhere near delphi. But the defense don't have to put that in their filings. Instead they insinuate he must have done it
@@lucybarrington4634 And it’s a push to think that being in protective custody would make someone repeatedly confess - Lets hope you never have to learn the hard way
I really have enjoyed a whole new aspect of true crime due to you and Dr John! Lauren your notes have been amazing! And I’ve learned so much from Dr John I truly love learning about this genre of psychology! I understand why you feel more comfy putting this on patreon…especially due to the wild lives!! But pls pls reconsider also releasing on your channel? Maybe a week later? So those of us on a tighter budget don’t miss his great knowledge!?? Thx!! 😊
@ oh yes I saw that! But I want to hear more of Dr John’s thoughts that He’s worried about sharing on here due to the trolls ha I can’t afford patreon this month …oh wells
2:02:30 but he was also given Haldol at the time that obviously had some adverse effect as his eyes were physically bulging out of his head, so I wouldn’t rule out it doing strange things to his brain too at that time, when he was stable before and after that point he vehemently denied it! 🤷♀️
Dr. Matthias for interpreting and explaining the clinical information, and Lauren (for bringing us the clinical information), thank you. I am a (newly) licensed clinical social worker who has conducted mental status assessments, sometimes multiple times a day, every day of my professional career to also be interpreted by physicians as a part of their overall picture. You do an excellent job of breaking down the clinical testimony and clinical work done (on both sides) in his case. It’s VERY sad when one human being decides to take the life of another human being but that does not mean the person was psychotic or did not understand the consequences of their actions when they acted. I hope the families can find healing and peace from here.
If he was Dependent on Cathy and if he was told you will not be able to speak /visit / family being harmed by press , public, threatened of harm not safe her unless you confess surely he would confess as he was declining in mental health - they made him uncomfortable stressed tipping point as possible to get him to confess with the guards, meds, cell mates I don’t think safe confession ? LE did not have professionalism, resources, training and knowledge how to work this investigation complex case it has so many layers - Chris w a t t s interview was a masterclass Thank you both for insight and transparency appreciated to be able to see both sides ❤
Thank You so much for giving us a step by step on everything we can’t see and hear at this trial!!! I appreciate you so much!!! This is one trial I really wish had been televised. But listening to you breaking it down for us, Is absolutely amazing!!! I appreciate all the hard work y’all do for us. Thank Y’all so much!!
Thank you so much, Lauren and John. You are both persevering so impressively as reporters, analysts, and parents. Your work is all really moving. Justice for the girls 🙏
A big thank you to Dr. John on sharing his expertise!! Again, a hug Thank you to Lauren who continues to bring us Court proceedings in this Delphi case. Awesome job!!
We have anxiety…but does it go so far into a panic attack or a psychotic attack? Is it so debilitating that we can’t get through a day of work or do we hear voices? To have that is 100% of a horror. My cousins suffer from that and it’s heartbreaking. They both have their masters degrees….but had nervous breakdowns. Remember that there is a genetic component to mental illness. Your mind is fighting against you. Hopefully, he’s on an antipsychotic and stays on it. In the Bible…it was called demon possession and if you’re around psychotic people….you will think they are demon possessed…because the person you know is no longer in control of their mind or body. It’s a horror.
What makes anxiety clinical or medicated is whether your anxiety prevents activities of daily living, or causes you to collapse and shut down with terror and panic. Of course l, every body is stressed these days. But seeking treatment for crippling anxiety is a courageous thing to choose.
People can have a clinical level of anxiety and still be “high functioning” in their daily lives. People can have PTSD and still be “high functioning” on the outside. It can still be taking a massive toll on the inside and they still deserve and should seek out treatment!
So it was a coincidence he was there at the same time with the same clothing as brigde guy and that casing came from his gun? Also a coincidence that he knew how the girls were un alived eventhough no one knew except the killer. Sure.
The dedication and willingness to leave her family for weeks at a time just to sleep outside on a sidewalk and cover this trial is amazing. Lauren, you eat, sleep, and breathe this trial’s transparency. This conviction speaks volumes about you as not only a true crime TH-cam creator, but also as an amazing journalist. You’ve remained objective throughout this entire case. Which I’m sure has been very difficult for you more than just a few times during the trial. You’re very good at what you’ve chosen to do. Thanks for the many sacrifices you have made to bring us the truth. Even in spite of those appointed to guard and uphold the law and constitution doing their best to pull the curtain down over the people’s eyes and hold back truth, as well as the lies. 💗🙏
“If you believe it’s true, then it’s true to you”. This can be applied to anything from Religion to psychosis. It’s definitely an answer if you’re smart enough to understand the meaning.
Quick note about your connectivity/buffering issues: most hotels have an Ethernet or hardline internet port. You can get an adapter for your MacBook for $10-$20.00 that might eliminate those issues and provide a more reliable connection.
I am so confused with this case.. I feel like the states case is lacking so much. of allllll of the cases this one NEEDED to be televised! I appreciate all of the sacrifices you and your whole family have made! thanks for your brilliant input!
I’m an IM doc, not a psychiatrist at all, but did work as a medical scribe in a locked psych unit before med school. To me, psychotic patients being afraid to leave their rooms (granted, it was a hospital and not a prison) was pretty common and was often a mix of what the other patients knew about them multiplied by pursecutory delusions. So I guess I don’t read in to much to the fact that RA was afraid to leave his cell.
Yeah this guy doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Doesn't it seem bad to him Walla was okay with the involuntary injections if they thought he was faking.
Right and you can know who you are and where you are, hello chains and cell, but still be psychotic…
@@tinavegas4575has he weighed in on walla’s testimony yet? I’ve been wondering what he thought about get treatment, length of RA’s stay, etc. but haven’t seen anything pop up yet.
I'm not a Dr at all, I'm an educator but have suffered from levels of anxiety throat my life. I would think FEAR would just be intrinsic, inherent within what they've told us about his childhood thru adulthood experiences. I don't think that's a level of perception, problem solving or sanity at all. I think it's just natural for this guy. He's afraid of everything good and bad.
@@sonastysorude also what kind of therapist is in true crime groups on the case where the accused is her patient. The letter with the details was in Her handwriting, not his. Not guilty. Too many things don’t add up.
RA is guilty AF. Thanks for your journalism, Lauren & thanks Dr. for sharing your knowledge & experience!
Thank you Dr John for taking the time, we know it’s extra busy at home with Lauren being out of town. I appreciate hearing your professional perspective.
You & Lauren are a great team! Ty both!
Thank you Lauren!!! and Dr John , thank you for giving us more information on this, I appreciate the both of you...
Lauren, I love that you're calling the jerks out and defending Dr. John (not that he can't defend himself). I love that dynamic, that you have each others' back. And Dr. John, I do not blame you in the least for not wanting to be on TH-cam for a while. People can be so hurtful. I don't understand why someone would stay on your channel long enough to comment if they hate it so much. Just leave. No one is forcing you to watch.
You've also done a great job at being objective. I've watched a lot of other channels on this case and they talk about the emotions they feel or how RA sounds in calls, stuff like that. I don't want an opinion. I just want the information and that's exactly what you provide. I only want opinion when Dr. John is evaluating the information from a psychology perspective. Ngl, I love when I think the same thing as him; gives me a sense of pride that I "got it right" lol.
Anyway, haters gonna hate. But you have far more supporters. So the haters can F right off, in my opinion.
AMEN !!!!
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I am puzzled why people do that. But have a few non-professional ideas. Maybe Dr. John can tell us.
@ellendickey4769 They’ve decided Richard Allen’s innocent, so anything that points towards him being guilty, makes them angry, rather than making them reevaluate their opinion.
I am in exactly the same headspace. I so appreciate Lauren offering information in real time with very little commentary beyond noting things that were particularly effective on the stand, which she’s done for both prosecution and defense. I do really value her and Dr. John’s opinion, but I think the way they are forefronting this coverage is very respectful to everyone involved. I have had a really hard time with other sources of information because so much of it seems to be recycled information that is either not true or detached from a more nuanced reality (like solitary confinement vs. mental health watch - without stating one is better, there is a distinction). I honestly don’t know how I feel about a lot of things yet but I don’t want my conclusions to be shaped by information presented as fact that isn’t that black and white. I don’t know how anyone can be entrenched in an opinion without all the info.
See! So WHY wouldn’t the judge allow testimony from ONE witness over zoom?! Everything she does is sus.
I think this judge doesn't want the zoom call in because it would prove difference in what the states said and done.
This guy DID have an officer swearing at him and highly emotional. Then he was put into solitary for an extensive period of time. He already has mental health issues. This seems very close to torture and forcing a false confession. For me, there’s just no way I could convict. I cannot say he did it with any sort of certainty.
Same
Agree.
So they should hold his hand and sing kumbaya? And He would keep denying it . They had plenty of evidence agenced him and that is how intorigashions looks like . He confessed 60 times for the love of God what more do you want.? Are you trying to win something here ? This is no wining situation nobody is going to win anything on the end the most important is so he want do it agein and justice for those kids.
the confessions are just the cherry on top. there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt.
@@ignor6581no...this is just an unfortunate consequence of law enforcement not doing their job the RIGHT way, and it's how the system works. If the officers do their job improperly, it works FOR the defense in many circumstances.
It is a long term consequences of government at large losing credibility and trust with the public, people are going to scrutinize their actions and they better be sure that they do their best to follow the rules on the books (just like the rest of us do, or risk the same fate...we all have to play by the rules).
I haven't decided yet, so this isn't biased in any way; the system is just set up this way to do its best to ensure a fair playing field from all sides, and that's why it is in everyone's best interest to treat people humanely-including prisoners.
Dr John your professional perspective is fascinating! Thank you for your time and insight. It is appreciated.
@Dr John. As a mental health professional you should know that depression could be the main factor as to why he did not leave his cell. Depression scan be debilitating and one loses any interest in anything.
Lauren, you did the Best coverage on this case. Thank you. Take a nice hot bath. Breathe a sigh of relief that it’s over. Kohberger case at least will have cameras. I hope you will be there to cover it. Thank you for your dedication
She had a team with her.
I’m disappointed not to see an extensive analysis of what it means for someone to be confined alone for months, being filmed all the time. Most attorneys on different podcasts agree that they’ve never seen such inhumane treatment for someone who, in this country, is presumed innocent. The psychologist who treated him in prison admitted to being a true crime fan, and it’s no secret that the van was discussed locally. My perception is that she had a strong influence in implanting guilt into his mind. The entire case is a mess on the state’s part. We appreciate the time you take to bring us information on the case, but it’s clear you lean towards the state, losing impartiality. Disappointing.
@@Sandra-py1pj 100%
Inhumane? He got better treatment than most. He was not in solitary like they keep trying to say, he was with other inmates, right next door to him, he was with guards, he was with companions, he was NOT alone. This has been discussed numerous times in court. He got access to things many inmates dream of. This crap drives me crazy.
Solitary confinement for OVER a year, very little communication with family, shackled every time he exited his cell, followed around 24 hours a day with a camera, lights always on, and dealing with a very biased therapist (how do we know what she's been filling his mind with?) among other atrocities. Is this normal treatment for an "innocent till proven guilty" man? This is before this man ever went to trial!!! Where is the outrage? Im not saying he is innocent. Im waiting on all sides to present before i decide. But all of this horrible treatment makes me doubt the confessions and there's been very little concrete evidence presented.
Are you kidding me, he considered his therapist his second wife and told her so. And as has been stated wrongly for months-the man experienced nothing like “solidarity” or “the hole”. It’s hyperbolic nonsense and it’s insulting to anyone who has actually experienced the conditions of true solidarity confinement-who were never afforded daily visits, companions, phone calls, communication/entertainment devices and hot showers to name a few
I agree!!! I love Lauren and John but they've already made up their mind before the trial even started and it's very disappointing.
Can you explain how you are determining that the therapist was biased? I haven’t heard any evidence of that.
@@HeidiFredFab Followed the case before working with Allen, it was such a gross conflict of interest she can't work at that prison anymore
@@HeidiFredFab she used her DOJ credentials to have a little peek at Keegan Kline’s medical file. He was not her patient so a clear HIPAA violation. If she was so invested in the online discourse of the case that she would violate her Code of Ethics and federal law, then she clearly had some pre-conceived notions about the case and/or the capability to suggest things to a highly suggestive personality in active psychosis to include into his confession things “only the killer could know”.
Illegal and unethical.
My grandmother, born 1890, had a mental illness that was not diagnosed by modern standards. She was hospitalized for almost two years in the 1930's and treated with ECT. Whether she had a major depressive disorder with intermittent psychosis, or schizoaffective disorder, I don't know. She was never well. And she would never leave her house. or get in a car with a family member, out of perpetual fear. The notion that her fear of leaving her home suggests she was not psychotic is ridiculous to me. Fear is not based on reason. Fear is fear.
@@physics4290 as someone who works in the field, you’re completely right.
It could be because she was afraid she would be driven back to a facility and that done on her. Back then a family member or husb could get a woman committed if they wanted rid of them. I don't blame her one bit.
I love and respect you both Lauren and John! I love what you said about surrounding yourself with people who disagree with you. The current world we live in has unfortunately lost that, and I truly hope we can find it again. We took debate class in the 90s when I was in high school, and it was so valuable in learning to listen to other's points of view! Thank you both for sharing your knowledge and experience, I learn something every time I watch and listen to you!
Yesss!!!!! Yess! I wasn’t in debate class but I loved be mental exercise or our weekly WWII debates
Dr. John did great! Those technology issues can be a bummer! Lauren, you and John are wonderful together! Lauren, also absolutely admire your diligence and hard work to bring the information from the trial. Lots of hard work!!
I couldn't even imagine being isolated and treated badly in a scary place like he was in. Especially if you were innocent . A normal person would go insane.
I think I would go more insane if I was falsely accused of this heinous crime and was housed in gen pop, that is if I’ll live long enough to even realize what’s happening. RA is being protected from himself and from other inmates that would love to snuff his a$$. If there’s a conspiracy to cover up an odd cult sacrifice that involves all higher uppers in this tiny town then Ron Logan would have been the way better and easier fall guy and they wouldn’t have to wait 5 years for an arrest.
Ding 🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️💯
But he is not innocent
@@charleslasich4067 You don't know that. No one does or ever will. Even when the jury decides, no one will ever know !!
he wasn't treated badly. if he was treated badly, he'd be dead.
I find the report of RA’s high anxiety reinforces his confessions because he zeroed in on the fear of abandonment due to what he said he did. That fear seemed primary verses the fear of life in prison. Seemed consistent with his psychological disorder.
Makes sense!
If he had a fear of abandonment, then why did he say he had to let his wife go.
@ thank you. That’s kind of you to take time to say that ❤️
Anxious people do not commit crimes like this. Psychopaths do not experience anxiety. They use people like objects. Dependent people need constant reassurance to do anything.
Someone please help me out! Am I the only one who finds MANY of the judge’s actions suspicious?
Michael Kraynick, the judge in the Sarah Boone/Jorge Torres trial in Florida was the polar opposite of this judge. IMO, he left no stone unturned, cited case law and more to ensure no grounds for appeal.
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Regardless of whether we believe RA is innocent or guilty, Judge Gull's handling of this trial raises concerns for everyone. The judge is not sufficiently ensuring that all legal bases are covered for potential appeals or for RA’s guaranteed rights as a defendant.
@@RobbieJayOneis this your personal, professional, or regurgitated opinion you heard?
@@nemonucliosis Nasty comment!
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Wow! Is this snarky comment coming from what’s referred to as “trolls”?
Why do some people have to be such a-holes?
@@sandibaker5298 why do people have to be so stupid? No one will ever know.
He also confessed to killing his family. Should we convict him for that? Even though they are alive.
That was later on. It could be that he was told by his lawyers to say that to make him look crazy after the 'real' confessions.
They don't have enough to convince me.
Makes sense to stick to convicting him for the murders that did happen with witnesses, forensics, and his own alibi placing him at the scene.
@@63electricmayhem- Per Brian Weber testimony Brad was also at the scene at time of abduction. There was also DNA entangled in Abbys fingers that was not tested for 7 years, and just before trial. A failed LE investigation electronic devices were not collected, downloaded and examined of other possible suspects.
@@tarantulagirl3961Lawyers would lose their License to practice law if they did something like that that’s absolutely crazy
How did this man go through his entire life and worked full-time and had a wife and family and none of this never was a problem for him he has no criminal record. So his first crime is killing 2 little girls?? Also , does it so perfectly he leaves practically zero evidence as if he’s a skilled non nervous criminal?
Dr John talked about that in a different video. 😊
Firstly, many killers have no prior criminal record so this isn’t unusual. Secondly, who said he didn’t leave behind any DNA? they didn’t find any but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t any at the crime scene. The outdoor crime scene can destroy forensic evidence especially when you consider they went through a creek which is where many of the clothes were found.
We have no idea if he’s done something like this before or not.
I’m literally SO proud of Dr John for holding it down and continuing the conversation when you dropped off. He’s grown leaps and bounds in his TH-cam finesse!!! 🎉❤❤❤
I was thinking this too!! I was so so proud of him.
Me toooo!
I thought the same thing. 😊
Dr. Westcott said his fear of leaving his cell was BEFORE his psychosis.
😮- this seems incredibly important @Lauren and @drjohn
@@lilybee_ THIS. It’s like Lauren thinks there aren’t other sources in the room, like several attorneys, so we can tell when they’re spinning information
@ you could be right.
Ahh so he has convenient psychosis then, it must be a new version.
The most important thing about the confessions is that before he ever confessed he told his wife "i will say whatever they want me to say" if it became too much for her.
I agree. I don't necessarily put too much weight on the confessions. I understood he was hospitalized before this for depression.
Absolutely
A man who is majorly codependent on his wife and freaks out when separated from her is going to confess to a crime he didn't do and spend the rest of his life in jail and be separated from his wife for the rest of his life????? Uh NO
Does anybody else wonder if she has her cheek fillers insured? They live in a separate zip code but are still an important participant in the presentation, for sure!!!
@@rlnstn9300 He was mostly concerned that she would still love him EVEN THOUGH he committed the crime.
Is being kept in solitary confinement for 13 months, with lights permanently on not torture? He had a dependency PD .
It is not torture. Watch jumpsuit on lawyer Lee from today
@@sarahflynn4687 well why is it described as such beyond 15 days? It’s mental torture
Why does Dr John think the “confessions” were before the psychosis?
How can solitary confinement for 13 months NOT be torture?
How do you account for the “confessions” being inaccurate about molestations and other murders?
Ukmmmm because he didn’t confess after 13 months in solitary confinement… DUH!
Fear isn't purposeful... AND an abused animal is often refuses to leave it's cage.
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I think it's really important to give context around what lead to him swearing at the guards.. they cut off all contact between RA and his mom and wife.. that's when RA lashed out
So you threaten to kill a Corrections Officer because of that. Short Fuse? Maybe the type of guy who might commit an awful crime? Context is important like why his phone calls got cut off in the first place. Would love to know that info.
He threatened to unalive LE.
@@HiddenTrueCrime I understand, but that goes back to his attachment disorder. Threatening to cut off all contact between him and his family that he was attached to. That was the only time that the violence came out from what I understand?
@@nelenesmithSA whatever it is in response to doesnt remove the fact that there is a video of Richard Allen threatening to unalive guards, and that is considered aggressive.. Many crimes and threats are in response to something a person deals with, but it still happened.
Proving he is a very dangerous man
I went to Nursing School(4 years)in Indiana and worked some Psych. It was a policy in charting to ALWAYS put quotation marks around statements and replies the pt gave pr it was not considered authentic, this is like initially paragraphs in a statement you are signing.
As someone who’s so in love with my husband…I love watching yall because the expressions on Lauren’s face when Dr John is doing his thing is PURE admiration, reverence, love, and excitement. I love yall. ❤
@@sarahdrenth1540 stop
Being jealous
@@sarahdrenth1540what a weird take, this is TH-cam, not a news network.
I noticed this as well. Her smile when he makes a point is awesome. ❤
@@michellesanchez2531 I think it’s very creepy since he’s like forty years older then her. She was definitely gr00med. I wonder the psychology of that? See, I can also interpret other human beings uncharitably, just like Dr. John and his lack of empathy or humanity
@alicetoyou448 ….uhmmmm not true at all lol She may LOOK a lot younger than him but she’s not. Also, they met because a mutual friend set them up on a blind date…how could he have groomed her? If you think Dr John has no empathy for humanity you don’t know him at all and clearly haven’t watched all his other videos especially about the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell case. He is one of the most compassionate empathetic men I’ve ever know and I don’t even know him personally. 💕
I just want to say I love how the two of you work together. I’m sure you have a full plate without explaining all these crimes for us . Don’t change and don’t quit because of a few jealous, mean people . ❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
I CANNOT with all these people referring to what he was in as "solitary confinement." It was NOT. Is it a deliberate mischaracterization or are they genuinely that ignorant?
Maybe they mean "Solitary" confinement, and think he was playing card games with the people who were around him 24/7 *to keep him alive (the audacity, how dare they, they should have let him alone to carry out what he even hinted at in recorded phone calls to his wife I guess??)?*
I for one am actually glad he's alive. How dare I be glad about that. Keeping him alive was cruel and unusual, apparently. 🤷♀️
Everything is not a conspiracy theory & some people want it to be so badly.
Yeah and they take everything that is being said here out of context. Even if it the murder was on film, those people would claim it was a fake video or something.
Yeah, and anyone who doesn't see it is biased, stupid, and a horrible person. I just don't get it.
EVEN if he did have psychosis from being in a cell, doesn't mean that his confession was false. Two things can be true. He did this and he flipped out in prison. Thank you Lauren and Dr John for your coverage of this case!
Absolutely!!! Also like Dr John mentioned how can he be in psychosis and be able to correctly use a tablet and know exactly who he is calling and talk to!! Wouldn’t he be calling Santa if he was that out of it?!?!?
Also doesn't mean he didn't do it.
I think either way the policies need to change so that people aren’t questioning if confessions are coerced.
@@jeanie8831 it almost goes to the point that he did do it. Who would most likely go crazy in prison? A raged killer or an innocent person? An innocent person has the truth to fight for. A guilty person knows they sealed their fate!
@@DanaDangelo88this is a great point!
Lauren - Respectfully - please provide the full background - not partial moments " learned" taken out of context. It makes a big difference in Dr Johns's responses. -- It just sounds like you're confirmation biased ....ssomeone trying to fit their bias of him into the narrative. He hasnt even been proven guilty yet!!!
Before his arrest, he acted like any normal person being accused. Please don't only plant bits of info for some theory of analysis of the man. Thats not fair.
At least that's how its coming across. Imho
I agree. Also respectfully.
Im SO confused that Dr. John bases his opinion on the parts of the "confessions" (for example the abuse) that are highly problematic and on the opinions of the STATE "expert" Wala, who is of course biased to prosecution just like you say defence expert is biased to them. And Dr. Wala has huge problems with how unprofessional she has been through (looks like) a length of her career, not just this case.
Im so bothered by the biased or selected basis on which this opinion is built on. Sorry. Just my opinion. Im a bit disappointed because I really respect both of you so so much. But of course this case is a hard one when we cant hear and see the evidence ourselves and everything comes out through someone's perpective.
I just had to say this but + and any case thank you for the coverage. I really appreciate it.
Oh, also I need to add that trial is a theater and in this one judge is blocking so much from jury, so Lauren , as you can see all the evidence defence cant get in and they are fighting to bring the defence even to the jury... I respect that you are a journalist, not a lawyer, but I think you are also knowledgable and understand court proceedings, that you could also bring up those insights as a part of reporting to John and viewers. (And then I say as disclaimer that there must be so much going on in the court that it's impossible to catch all, so I understand that too, as much as I can from my couch in Finland ❤🇫🇮). This is not meant from a bad place. That's what I try to say.
@@KookyKarelianSeeing as you're from Finland, near where Odin was originally worshipped in the pagan days, do you buy the Odinism theory?
I'm having a hard time believing a modern day human sacrifice would be done in daylight, with victims who would be immediately missed and nothing was cleaned up afterwards. And like three or more people were there but nothing was seen or heard, except people who all thought they saw a singular man.
This whole case is very disturbing and I definitely haven't made up my mind. I wish we had more evidence.
@@keeperofthedomus7654 I am Finnish and my husband is Danish and I have to say that in Scandinavia today, and in any recent past, we havent heard of human sacrifices or odonism. Mostly pagan traditions are based on nature and not violent at all. The pagan traditions that are left today are far far away from anything malicious. We are so safe and chill over here. 😇
Back in the days Im sure times were different but I dont know enough about odinism to really say anything. Also I have a feeling that the 3rd party culprit theories in this case and the groups in them are some "spinnoffs" from the original groups and might be something darker. I cant rule it out, but I would really wish this case was investigated better and we had more facts and that there would be more transparency in the whole process. Now it's just a mess...
I dont understand how 1 person could have done the crime in the state's timeline, it doesnt make sense to me. Also I strongly believe that the defence should be allowed to present their case and theory so that then jury can decide which side has presented a better case. And also I find it so hard to accept that defence is not allowed to bring up the people who have been suspects and/or have confessed to the crime before. It just doesnt sit right with me.
The victims and their families deserve justice, and justice is that the real perpetrator is convicted. I dont know if that is happening and if this judge and prosecution are after the justified result or just someone to pin this to. I think all avenues should be visited and all evidence presented to the jury who can then decide fairly.
So yeah, I have no idea what to believe, this case is so heartbreaking. And like you said, I wish we had more evidence.
@@keeperofthedomus7654yeah, no evidence of one person much less 2-3 or more
@@KookyKarelianso if somebody was suspect at one time but police have cleared them and know they didn't have anything to do with a crime, you think it's okay to bring it up? how is that a fair trial to the girls justice? throwing people who have alibis at the jury is a waste of everybody's time.
I want to thank you, Lauren, for stating your opinion about his guilt. You have been in that courtroom every day. And you start out neutral and unbiased. I listened to your show yesterday. I love it. DR John's working w hundreds of sa criminals, lends such credibility Once again, I thank you both.
He confessed to his favorite person, the person is the most comforting to him. That was not fear.
Were the confessions cherry-picked? Seems to me that the jury should be given _alll_ of them, either transcribed or in video form
were the conversations not including confessions left out? I bet there were several, non-psychotic conversations with family and others about other things like, how is xx doing, did you pay the bill for xx, I had some eggs for breakfast today. ..
@Maren-pw4uj Now the jury has been shown some video from prison, I am thinking those are cherry picked too! Good for the Goose, good for the Gander
Are we not going to complain the defense witness is cherry picking them?? Why is it only an issue if you think the prosecution did the thing? We were talking about a defense witness here.....
@@annedavis3340 That is what I meant by my second comment. Would have been better if the judge allowed both: all confessions and all video footage from prison. But I imagine that would be very time consuming and not practical!
Dr John is right on. Love his insight. I just hope the jury gets this right.
I have a question? Brad Weber stated he drove a black suburu as his daily driver unless he was servicing his ATM's. Webers first report to LE way back when was he got off work at 2:02 and the drive home would put him on the dirt road below the bridge about the time the State says the girls were abducted. After the time frame was put out to the public, Weber then claimed he serviced his ATM's that Monday and didnt get home until much later. Then, at trial he testified ʻfhat when he drives the van a trailer is attached to his van. This was first mention of Webers van pulling a trailer. RA confession was he saw a van, but no mention of trailer. The 3rd statement after RA was arrested Weber went back and said he didnt service his ATM's that day. Which means he would have been driving his black car.
Thank you Lauren and Dr. John.
Lauren you look FABULOUS! Ignore the haters. You guys are doing a great job and working your asses off. People have no idea how hard this case has been to cover! Sleeping outside just to get into court is hardcore commitment!
We know - they are all doing it. Too bad the judge doesn’t care about transparency - I guess I wouldn’t want ppl to see this sh** show either.
Someone making comments about her appearance?? How awful! She looks amazing!
@@specialkl4792 Perhaps making comments as to the obvious work she’s had done to her face and mouth and the false eyelashes, etc. People shouldn’t be saying anything, it’s none of their business.
@@Ji5-24if I was a reporter I probably would too!
Society continues to disappoint me. As women let's build each other up shall we??
When you have anxiety, depression and you were forced to work or committed to it, you just do your best every day but it’s a struggle. You might go home and sleep another 15 hours to get to work that next day for an eight hour shift so that you can cope at work there’s a lot of sacrifices you make to maintain employment, your personal life. Give them some credit for successfully achieving a work history and military background and raising a family and not having any previous arrest.
OMG - The malingering tests were done!!!!!!!! Lauren you were in the courtroom today???? The psychologist went to great lengths to discuss the tests for malingering. She Did test him. She explained the whole process and how it’s an objective test not a subjective test. How his attorneys weren’t there. How the test is given by a specific person who administers this /these tests so they are consistent.
John you’re not getting good information.
I was in the courtroom
And I explained it very clearly here. The “no malingering” was in reference to the tests he was taking.
Her husband said "You're not in a beauty contest so let's go"!! Lol
Have you EVER seen a pre-Trail detainee being incinerated in SOLITARY in PRISON for 13 months RATHER than JAIL?!!!
I understand there's a LAW stating nobody should be put in SOLITARY for more than 30 DAYS?!!!
WHY IS THIS EVEN ALLOWED?
RAs behavior and words (“ I should just die”, “I should Kill myself”) put him on S-watch, he was not in solitary confinement, as punishment.
Let’s not forget why he is on trial.
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@@dianealarcon8304 Let's Question why he is ALONE in a cell in a PRISON instead of in jail.
Let's not forget why he is on trail and let's try to remember that everybody is assumed innocent until convicted by a jury.
1. Not solitary. 2. The jail couldn't keep him safe from others or from himself. Is that what would prefer?
We need prison reform in the US. Absolutely true. Also RA is not an example of it. He's an example of the system bending over backwards to try to make sure he's safe and receiving appropriate treatment.
@@63electricmayhem I'm in the UK yes I think prison reform is needed here too.
You say definitively that RA is "Not in Solitary" so could you explain the difference to me between Solitary Confinement and being alone in a cell 24/7 ?
@@Melody-st4dfsure! He wasn't alone in his cell for 24/7. He got daily visits outside of his cell with his therapist. He had access to a tablet, which was replaced free of charge when he broke it and offered a TV in the meantime. He had over 700 calls to family. He received many privileges you don't get in solitary confinement.
Again, the jail couldn't keep him safe from others or himself. Would you prefer he stayed there anyway?
Yayyyyyy!!! Dr John is here!!! You & Dr. John are a great team!! Bless you for all you do and are doing for so many that can’t help themselves.
Doctor Not sure if you aware But Kathy Allens brother died around Christmas in a motorcycle accident. He was the caregiver of Kathy's parents. Many of us who have followed the case have speculated this could have been an abandonment trigger for Rick since he has been diagnosed with dependent personality disorder. This may have taken Kathy's focus off of Rick. Just food for thought since Kathy's brother passed away a couple of months before the crimes occurred. My thought was the crimes were a passive way of punishing her for her precieved abandonment. It's actually a bit narcissistic but I would imagine people with dependent personality order would possess some narcissistic/manipulative traits much like borderline personality disorder. Also it's been awhile since I've read the DSM-5 but if that's true that the defenses psychologist claimed something was not in the DSM-5 that actually is that's a really bad look to say the least considering the DSM-5 is the book/Bible to a psychologist. Hopefully the prosecutor points that out. Also not sure if you know this, but there was a domestic disturbance call to Ricks house by the wife, not sure if that was the incident where he put the G in his mouth. Most of Kathy's FB posts of her and Rick involved them drinking a lot and being bar flies. They were members of a billard club at a bar. It always seemed a bit toxic to me/enabling considering he was an alcoholic.
That's really interesting.
@bees, thank you. I was wondering if Kathy withdrawing from her mother protector role may of been the catalyst. And, to my understanding Kathy's 911 call was in reguard to RA threat of self harm. I could be wrong.
Great observation!
Excellent insight.
Not that it matters one way or the other , Kathi was said to be at her mother’s visiting the day of the crime.
Seems like a valid theory. Interesting! I’ve had similar thoughts of narcissism along with the dependent personality. 😉 I suspected the trigger could be his daughter’s engagement since his daughter looks so much like Libby and Libby seemed targeted more than Abby? But that’s very interesting information that Kathy may have been more absent on him. Hmmmm….
It is not possible to use a soft science like psychology to determine with 100% certainty whether these confessions are true or false. You have to focus on what 13 months of solitary confinement can do to an emotionally vulnerable person. And you have to focus on whether the confession is consistent with the evidence. The hardest part of this investigation is that there is no time of death that can rule suspects in or out. Somewhere between 2:32 pm, and when they were found the next day, around noon. I have never seen such uncertainty about time of death. For Richard Allen to have done this, he would have had to lift and carry a 200 lb girl over his shoulder. He is a cardiac patient. He would have been wet from the creek and very bloody. There is no explanation for why Abby's blood is missing from the scene. She was already on top of the phone at 2:32 pm when it stopped recording movement. She was already dressed when she was killed, and her blood was already missing. No water in lungs. Upper torso dry. Someone tried unsuccessfully to open the phone at 2:14 pm, and 18 minutes later, they are both dead with Abby on top of the phone, and they are some distance from the bridge. Make that make sense. I think Libby may have thrown the phone across the creek to keep the killer from opening it. They all crossed the creek to get to the phone, because the killer was obviously worried about what was on there. But they neglected to look under Abby? Something is very wrong here. You can't tell if it is a crime of opportunity or if it was planned. The undressing could be staging to mask the real motive. I feel like there is a 15% chance Richard Allen somehow did this, but we are missing critical information that would explain how. I also think he may have lied when he told his wife he went to the trail that same day, before the crime was known. The tower didn't detect his phone at the trails. No one saw a short man, and no one saw his car parked there. 15% chance he wasn't even there that day but wanted his wife to think he was, before he knew about the murders. 85% chance he is innocent and the people who did this are white nationalists. Look at the 2008 stabbing murder of 11-year-old Thomas Hunter in Omaha. It took 5 years to solve, and it was a miracle it was ever solved. Better to let complex crimes go unsolved than to railroad the wrong person for political reasons. Police departments that are inexperienced with complex homicides should probably not be involved at all in an investigation like this.
Absolutely agree
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"Solitary" confinement? Unless you think he was playing card games with the people around him 24/7 to keep him alive (the audacity), no.
No stop believing that 💩 about a group of opinions running around
He can be an honest person and still be confused and think he did it when he didn't. I went through a brief psychosis, and even though it's been over thirty years, I still don't know how much of what I remembered happening was real and what was my mind playing tricks on me, and I wasn't even in a situation like his where people were accusing me of killing someone. I don't think he did it.
I wonder if the odinist guards put drugs his food and that’s why he stopped eating?… I believe RA is innocent…😢
Soo are we just forgetting all the other damningevidence placing RA as the only logical person to be BG and pretending this is a case about prison conditions now or something?
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5svhe’s definitely NOT the only logical person. There were at least two other possibilities if you’ve been following the case since last year or earlier.
RA worked, had a wife and daughter, engaged with friends and family, went hiking, fishing, hunting, and went on vacation, even though he dealt with anxiety and depression.
A person that has MH issues through different periods of their life can still have inappropriate thoughts and commit murder. They can still manipulate and lie to others.
There is no pass, or half of those found guilty of M who have MH issues would never be found guilty of the crimes they commit.
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5sv zero evidence he did it.. no one placed him there! He was trying to be a good citizen and tried to help by calling the tip line! If he was guilty, he wouldn’t have called! Duh!!
It’s a bit lukewarm to make a statement that Richard Allen “feels like he’s being tortured“. There’s plenty of study that shows that solitary confinement causes severe psychological disorders and stress. How about six months? How about 13 months? He absolutely was being tortured.
Exactly. And not only that, there’s a lawsuit against the Indiana Department of corrections where the judge ruled that leaving someone with a serious mental illness in segregation for more than 30 days is a violation of their eighth amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment. Whether he is innocent or guilty makes no difference.
He wasn’t in solitary.
@@HiddenTrueCrime seriously!
@@HiddenTrueCrimehow do you arrive at that statement?
@@leshondaprice5417you don't get daily therapy visits in solitary. You don't get a new free tablet when you break your old one. You don't get to make 700 calls to loved ones. Just to start.
He was on s watch, and was away from the general population for how own safety. What are the choices here? Ignore his suicidal comments? Throw him with everyone else and just see what happens? He got extra privileges and treatment.
I really don’t know what I think about this case. I thought he was probably guilty before the trial started, but then I watched the prosecution case and started to have questions. Without the confessions, I don’t see them achieving beyond reasonable doubt. So just how solid these confessions are is the central question. But how can he be malingering and confessing at the same time? Why confess?
If he was not suffering some form of mental breakdown, why did they give him what are strong drugs? They cannot have it both ways
@@alia9087don't believe everything you read. Haldol isn't really that strong of a drug.
@alia9087 you certainly can have it both ways, OR ALL THREE, and logically, as well.
On Day 1 you may be perfectly sane, and on Day 2 not all there. Does Day 1 make Day 2 "not real?"
What if on Day 3 you're back to normal BUT start lying in increasingly creative ways to try to negate what you were told you said on Day 2? Day 3 is malingering, even if Day 2 was genuine.
Exaggerating genuine symptoms you're currently having is malingering too. 🤷♀️
And IF by Day 10 if you're in a rapid decline BECAUSE whether or not you're malingering they can't just let you starve to death or whatever you're up to, action must be taken to protect you from yourself, whether the primary CAUSE going on is genuine or feigned. They STILL need to keep you alive either way.
I hope that helped, and I mean that in a non-snarky way.
@@annedavis3340Brilliant
Idk how she does it, I’d be dead on my feet, but Lauren is ALWAYS on her game & looking Fabulous while doing it!
Thanks to both of you, you are one of the few people providing rational analysis of this case. Thank you for keeping the perspective of what this is really about, justice for Abby and Libby it is greatly appreciated.
So disappointed after getting a membership at the beginning of this trial to now see that you are putting what you consider to be most intimate under Patreon. Membership canceled.
Well if people could react normal instead of harressing people like Dr John, they wouldn't have to do this. But some people are nuts and safety comes first.
Whoa, didn’t know this
I mean, can’t those people just get a Patreon account if they really want to harass they probably don’t mind paying@@tarantulagirl3961
Omg what happened? People can be terrible
@@tarantulagirl3961 nobody else reporting on the case is having a problem. If Dr. John wasn’t saying such unethical and cruel things, he’d be fine, too. Maybe he should look in the mirror instead of blaming the audience.
You guys weren’t addressing the impact of being in solitary confinement with lights on 24/7 had on his mental state. He might’ve confessed to anything if it meant he’d get out of that environment.
Fear of leaving his cell is not a "problem solving skill"! It could be paranoia, or he could just be incapacitated by fear of any transition. There may be no thought associated with it. At this point, it could be PTSD.
Exactly. And I really don't think him not malingering = honest, therefore the confessions must also be honest! Crazy how this Dr. makes that mental leap. It is clear that not malingering = mentally ill, therefore the confession can't be trusted!
I'd be scared of everybody too if I was accused of that. Also not uncommon to have social phobia.
@@physics4290 exactly. Something is wrong with these people. I liked them before this case. I think John is going senile or something. He’s lost all empathy and is acting like Nancy Grace.
No, he's following the evidence. And it leads to Richard Allen. Maybe it's your bias blinding you. Is that possible? Who would you rather be guilty of this horrendous crime? Would you feel better if it was somebody else?
@@Scorpio-unicorn14 I would have liked the people listed in the Franks Motion to be fully investigated. A lot of them had far more suspicious behavior and connections to the victims and properties nearby. If you haven’t read it, you should, not to change your mind but to have all the information.
Why would he be faking it and then also go around confessing. It sounds like the two started occurring at the same time which doesn’t make sense. Also why does Dr John never talk about the solitary confinement component. Surely this is not a helpful way to treat people who are already struggling with mental illness which often individuals in prison are.
But what is the alternative then? Being housed in general population and getting beaten to death by other inmates within days of arrival? Or being free to unalive himself? He wasn’t in true solitary confinement, he had access to tablets, TV, daily therapists and was allowed to make hundreds and hundreds of phone calls to his wife. There’s a huge difference there.
Right! He was on “S watch”
@@crimnclove1970 they have lots of others in the same situation and not kept in such awful conditions
If he was faking it, why did they force-inject haldol? He didn't confess until after that.
@@leshondaprice5417 you can be faking symptoms *and* about to go past no return on a hunger strike.
Faking is not mutually exclusive from doing no harm to oneself
I love Dr. John"s bookshelf!
thank you for your work and for sharing your thoughts, both of you 👍💚
Respectfully, and knowing that Dr John certainly knows his stuff, I do disagree on numerous points in this video. I contracted mental health services for a prison and my daughter provided mental health group sessions for violent offenders in another prison. It was a horrible experience, not because of the people we counseled but because of the overt and even aggressive behavior by prison officials concerning mental health. They all, and I mean all in these two examples, considered mental health a joke and that all prisoners were faking. A real eye opener. God help the individual who finds themselves in such a hostile environment AND NOT EVEN CONVICTED YET, like RA. I witnessed abusive treatment, abusive language- both rampant. Now, this is just my experience, but let me just say that I was deeply impacted by the general conditions I witnessed in prison. Of course the environment affected RA’s mental health, and probably drove the confessions. I greatly appreciate all Lauren and Dr John are doing to put a light on this case, and I also greatly appreciate that they provide a platform we’re civil disagreement is honored.
People who are arrested for a double homicide are usually held in custody. There is nothing unusual about this case. The defense can’t use the Odin bs, and RA cannot plead insanity, because he’s not insane. This is all they got left. They are trying to poke holes in the perfectly good confessions. Problem is.. there are 61 of them.
What are your credentials?
@@sarahflynn4687 she just said her personal experience troll
Is solitary confinement for over a year torturous ?
I’m sorry but the way this crime scene was specially posed/staged? This isn’t just an unwell man who had a random act of violence/sexual assault. This was extremely purposeful and knowledgeable in a way that in my opinion would be likely impossible in the scenario presented against RA. It’s just very clear that it’s much more than that.
If people do enough digging they would find all the symbology of this crime even explaining why one was dressed the other not, yet, somehow the defence cannot show this. However, the prosecutors never showed any interest in this stuff by RA
Te Odin theory was first presented by both local law enforcement and the fbi. The defense tried to present the odinism angle but it was blocked by both the prosecution and the judge because it points to other suspects beside Mr Allen. This is just another reason why many outside lawyers are crying foul in this case. The defense keeps trying to work around all the evidence and other suspects that they can not talk about. Defense should be allowed to give all alternative cases to the jury and let the jury decide. This is not happening here in this trial. It seems like a cover up by the state and the judge.
Please tell Dr John how much we appreciate him……..appreciate both of you. I understand why he wouldn’t want to come on TH-cam. Some of us are on fixed incomes and can’t pay for Patreon, even though we wish we could. Dr John has helped me keep an open mind here. I’m still alarmed at how little the court cares about civil rights, but I’m now willing to curb my outrage and at least listen. Thank you so much, y’all.
What are your thoughts of Dr. Wala's conduct? She was a member of 7 true crime channels researching this case while treating him! That is inappropriate and imo makes her assessments suspect.
Dr. John was unconcerned about Dr. Wala's behavior during the Patreon phone call with Lauren yesterday, which surprised me. He stated that as long as Wala is simply RA's therapist, her actions outside of work are not relevant. I respectfully disagree with Dr. John on that point. Wala misused the prison's database and was deeply involved in true crime social media, publicly commenting on the case. At the least, there is a perceived conflict when Wala engaged in those actions.
@@RobbieJayOneyea I’m quite disappointed with his clear bias 😕
But Dr. Westcott took info of RA from Kathy who has no objective view of Rick... what outside info is ok for Assessment and what info isn't?
I think with Dr. Wala it could have been handled better... but Rick confessed many times. Medicated not medicated, to family, prison guards, Dr.Wala, other inmates... to me sounds like he wanted to confess because he felt the guilt
Also why didn't Dr. Westcott watch the interrogations of Rick to get a fuller picture of him before his stay in prison
@@2manyjules Dr. Wala's conduct is unrelated to whether RA is innocent or guilty.
Looking beautiful tonight, as always. John , you are a lucky man. Thanks forr the insight and your description of what's happening. Nice job😀
Dr. John is one smart guy! Loving his input!
I love how she is so protective of her husband.
Um, NO.. equating him fearing leaving his cell to having meta-cognition is a huge step when you completely ignore he has a persecution fixation as a PART of his psychosis. 🤨
Just FYI … WTHR news first published today that RA’s daughter said no when asked if she loved her father. They now have a retraction on their article today saying she said yes. Lauren was correct.
Good clarification
He wanted his wife to say she would love him even if he murdered those girls. She kept telling him not to say he did it but I think she finally told him she would love him anyway. The way she responded though, led me to believe she was very reluctant in that aspect which would tend to make him fear she wouldn't still love him if he insisted he did it. It puts someone with that disorder in a terrible spot.
I disagree respectfully with the Dr. I believe he was under horrible circumstances in prison. I have not seen the videos, but the way this trial is going, he is not the killer!
We respect your opinion. Thank you for sharing it in such a respectful way. All opinions welcome here and valid.
@@HiddenTrueCrime I'm having trouble with the lack of solid evidence DESPITE the confessions. I guess I'm saying, "PROVE HIS CONFESSIONS". One Psych said his reality isn't our reality. So Law Enforcement needed more evidence to say his confessions fit all the evidence. It's just not sounding "Beyond a reasonable doubt". Very tough.
What Dr. John said about RA's confession to his wife, even though he has dependent personality disorder and should want to please her just had me saying "Wow." I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's discussion. Thank you both.
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I agree
I agree. I also thought of this: what if he has always confessed to Kathy about his proclivities and she has accepted him? So he knew he could trust her to still love him even if he has done this? However, she was trying to protect him so she told him not to talk.
I wish I could ask Dr John if this could be his motivation to continue to confess to Kathy.
I wish we could ethically clone Dr. John and place them in every university across the U.S. and Canada.😂
Thank you, Dr. John and Lauren. What a duo!!
I know you miss your family. Thank you for doing this for us. You are part of history.....they will talk about this trial for a very long time. Blessings upon you and those you love. You Rock girlfriend.
Dito Michelle.
As if she was there for some strangers on the internet🤦♀
really this trial is nothing new.
Dependent personality disorder?
@julez8053 Who is 'she'.?
I have a hard time believing he could fake anything.
No one in their right mind could eat their own feces.
The only concrete proof is his confession, which only occurred while he was in solitary confinement. Solitary confinement is reserved for convicted felons, not for Rich Allen. I don't comprehend why some claim he faked his condition; if someone has mental health issues and is very concerned about how others perceive him, being in a location with constant light and cameras on him for 24 hours, along with being under suicide watch for 13 months, could severely harm his mental state. All the evidence is weak from prosecution; it is not justice if that evidence only tries to make Allen the suspect; they have ignored other possible suspects. Convicting the wrong killer is not justice.
I think that he said he was there, on the bridge, at the time the girls were there, wearing clothes like the BG was, and a bullet consistent with his gun was found between their body’s adds to his confession.
And it’s a push to think that being in protective custody would make someone repeatedly confess to his wife and mother. I could see where it would increase anxiety and depression but not make you confess when people are telling you to stop. He wasn’t being coerced to confess. He was being told to shut up about it.
@@lucybarrington4634the gun evidence isn’t as solid as they’re making it seem
They have not ignored other possible suspects. You clearly lap up everything the defense attorneys put out there but they only put out half the context. How do you think they even knew about these other possible suspects? because of the discovery that shows the police looked into these suspects you think they ignored. The defense can lie and say ohh look at this dodgey Brad guy and how suspicious he is but they arrested richard allen omg. When in reality the defense know exactly why they didn't arrest brad. Because they cleared him. He was at work until around the time of crime and wasnt anywhere near delphi. But the defense don't have to put that in their filings. Instead they insinuate he must have done it
@@lucybarrington4634 And it’s a push to think that being in protective custody would make someone repeatedly confess - Lets hope you never have to learn the hard way
How dare they keep him alive 😤
Wow, Dr. John is blowing my mind . His insights are sublime and have the “ring of truth” Brilliant!
John & Lauren love the unbiased coverage!
This was such an insightful discussion, really enjoyed it a lot.
Lauren, it's so nice to see how in love you are with your husband. I hope he appreciates you. I love this combo❤❤
I really have enjoyed a whole new aspect of true crime due to you and Dr John! Lauren your notes have been amazing! And I’ve learned so much from Dr John I truly love learning about this genre of psychology!
I understand why you feel more comfy putting this on patreon…especially due to the wild lives!! But pls pls reconsider also releasing on your channel? Maybe a week later? So those of us on a tighter budget don’t miss his great knowledge!?? Thx!! 😊
@@heavenj7 she does post some on Facebook I noticed that tonight while I was over there looking at Red and Ted!!
@ oh yes I saw that! But I want to hear more of Dr John’s thoughts that He’s worried about sharing on here due to the trolls ha I can’t afford patreon this month …oh wells
So good to see you both. Dr John i always get excited to see you.
2:02:30 but he was also given Haldol at the time that obviously had some adverse effect as his eyes were physically bulging out of his head, so I wouldn’t rule out it doing strange things to his brain too at that time, when he was stable before and after that point he vehemently denied it! 🤷♀️
Dr. Matthias for interpreting and explaining the clinical information, and Lauren (for bringing us the clinical information), thank you. I am a (newly) licensed clinical social worker who has conducted mental status assessments, sometimes multiple times a day, every day of my professional career to also be interpreted by physicians as a part of their overall picture. You do an excellent job of breaking down the clinical testimony and clinical work done (on both sides) in his case. It’s VERY sad when one human being decides to take the life of another human being but that does not mean the person was psychotic or did not understand the consequences of their actions when they acted. I hope the families can find healing and peace from here.
If he was Dependent on Cathy and if he was told you will not be able to speak /visit / family being harmed by press , public, threatened of harm not safe her unless you confess surely he would confess as he was declining in mental health - they made him uncomfortable stressed tipping point as possible to get him to confess with the guards, meds, cell mates I don’t think safe confession ?
LE did not have professionalism, resources, training and knowledge how to work this investigation complex case it has so many layers - Chris w a t t s interview was a masterclass
Thank you both for insight and transparency appreciated to be able to see both sides ❤
EXACTLY
Thank You so much for giving us a step by step on everything we can’t see and hear at this trial!!! I appreciate you so much!!!
This is one trial I really wish had been televised. But listening to you breaking it down for us, Is absolutely amazing!!! I appreciate all the hard work y’all do for us. Thank Y’all so much!!
Thank you so much, Lauren and John. You are both persevering so impressively as reporters, analysts, and parents. Your work is all really moving. Justice for the girls 🙏
A big thank you to Dr. John on sharing his expertise!! Again, a hug Thank you to Lauren who continues to bring us Court proceedings in this Delphi case.
Awesome job!!
Great to see Dr John. Thank you for your time and diligence in getting all this info to us.
Wow, who in today's socieity doesn't have anxiety?
No Kidding!! I get anxiety from the darn citizens App lately!! Not to mention grocery store, kids, Grandkids, DRIVING!!! The list goes on and on!!
We have anxiety…but does it go so far into a panic attack or a psychotic attack? Is it so debilitating that we can’t get through a day of work or do we hear voices? To have that is 100% of a horror. My cousins suffer from that and it’s heartbreaking. They both have their masters degrees….but had nervous breakdowns. Remember that there is a genetic component to mental illness. Your mind is fighting against you. Hopefully, he’s on an antipsychotic and stays on it. In the Bible…it was called demon possession and if you’re around psychotic people….you will think they are demon possessed…because the person you know is no longer in control of their mind or body. It’s a horror.
What makes anxiety clinical or medicated is whether your anxiety prevents activities of daily living, or causes you to collapse and shut down with terror and panic. Of course l, every body is stressed these days. But seeking treatment for crippling anxiety is a courageous thing to choose.
People can have a clinical level of anxiety and still be “high functioning” in their daily lives. People can have PTSD and still be “high functioning” on the outside. It can still be taking a massive toll on the inside and they still deserve and should seek out treatment!
@@RachelDeal2024 I really appreciate reading this... I struggle with all of this and then top it off with the good ol guilt for feeling it 🦋🦋🦋
At this point imo the state has not proved this case. I was hoping for evidence. The confessions were under duress. Stress, mentally diminished state.
I do not think he did it.
So it was a coincidence he was there at the same time with the same clothing as brigde guy and that casing came from his gun? Also a coincidence that he knew how the girls were un alived eventhough no one knew except the killer. Sure.
They certainly don't have sufficient proof imo.
1:06:11 I just clipped it here but right when this doctor gets on and starts talking … this is fascinating.
The dedication and willingness to leave her family for weeks at a time just to sleep outside on a sidewalk and cover this trial is amazing. Lauren, you eat, sleep, and breathe this trial’s transparency. This conviction speaks volumes about you as not only a true crime TH-cam creator, but also as an amazing journalist. You’ve remained objective throughout this entire case. Which I’m sure has been very difficult for you more than just a few times during the trial. You’re very good at what you’ve chosen to do. Thanks for the many sacrifices you have made to bring us the truth. Even in spite of those appointed to guard and uphold the law and constitution doing their best to pull the curtain down over the people’s eyes and hold back truth, as well as the lies. 💗🙏
my first video seeing Dr John in action! blew my expectations out of the water. amazing conversation and points
“If you believe it’s true, then it’s true to you”. This can be applied to anything from Religion to psychosis. It’s definitely an answer if you’re smart enough to understand the meaning.
If you want an accurate reporting of the court room. Listen to multiple sources
Amen
Absolutely
LOVE your coverage of cases!!! thanks to you both!!!
Quick note about your connectivity/buffering issues: most hotels have an Ethernet or hardline internet port. You can get an adapter for your MacBook for $10-$20.00 that might eliminate those issues and provide a more reliable connection.
Yes!! When in doubt, plug it in directly. Don’t do wireless. Any router can do this.
Great idea!... Spend the money Lauren and get a hardline!