"Mick and Lou decided they wanted to be the focus of the band. Mick wanted to make it more apparent that it was his group, so he decided to make a smaller group. That was his decision. I wouldn't have left-I loved the group, it was not my decision."
If you watch the original video for Urgent, you'll notice that in the background there is 2 fill in players for Ian McDonald and Al Greenwood! The band wasn't smaller Mick was using session players to fill those spots! Becoming basically a tyrant at that point!
@@benadam7753 THEY ALL DO THIS CRAP. YOu can PAY SOME NOBODY PEANUTS, after you replace the STARS who get much larger pay. Sharon Osbourne 101. David Lee Roth could hire a KILLER BAND.... but he'd have to pay them a LOT more than 4 newbies he can RIP OFF. Steve Vai doesn't even tour with his pal Billy Sheehan, cuz Vai will have to pay Billy a TONE MORE than Vai pays his unfamous bassist. MONEY CORRUPTS EVERYTHING. Some would say "Foreigner were SUPER-SUCCESSFUL AND RICH, so no need to RIP OFF YOUR BEST FRIENDS and bandmates, and then fire them!"....but EGOS and COKE get out of control when success hits (success destroys everything it touches....cuz human egos).....but also, ALL Rock Stars were MOSTLY POOR AS SHIT, bc the LABEL and management etc are all well designed to ROB ARTISTS (who pay attention to art, not business). THEY MAKE LITTLE ON THE ALBUM SALES. LIVE GIGS are where they'd make money the label couldn't steal, but even LIVE SHOWS ARE NOT THAT PROFITABLE, cuz the expenses are insane! (When Taylor Swift makes a BILLION dollars on a tour, she probably pocketed less than $50,000, cuz it cost these shows 99 CENTS per DOLLAR....just for expenses for a crew of 200 ppl! 20 18 wheelers with drivers, hotels, gas, it's impossibly inefficient and dumb. I play outdoors, so my audience is EVERY HUMAN WITH EYES AND EARS. I will never run out of customers just playing ONE CITY, see? ) (U2's profit margin was like 5% if they were lucky. MINE? 100% sometimes 200%! How's that for efficiency?!! ) REPORTEDLY, Black Sabbath were paid $250,000 to play California Jam, but their skeevy manager only paid them each $1000 and kept the rest! THIS IS THE RULE. POWER CORRUPTS HUMANS.
I saw Foreigner in October of 1977 in Scranton, Pa, at the CYC which was at that time an arena for various events including concerts. Foreigner was headlining on their opening tour with Jay Ferguson of "Thunder Island" fame their opening act. I sat in the balcony right above Ian McDonald and I was treated to a tutorial on the greatness of his multi-instrumental talents. I would marvel as he picked up a guitar and played it and then picked up a flute and played it and picked up a sax and played it and then he had keyboards that he played. All instruments were played brilliantly. I was very impressed with Ian McDonald as a musician. I never saw that level of musicianship in decades of rock concerts I'd seen. I been raving about Ian's talent for years. I remember being very impressed with Ian and Lou Gramm. In fact, Al Greenwood was amazing as a keyboardist. Mick Jones, Ed Gagliardi and Dennis Elliot were wonderful talents at that show so long ago.
I definitely agree that Foreigner wasn't the same after Ian, Al and Ed left the band, I wish Ian would've wrote more songs with Foreigner, I thought "Love Has Taken Its Toll was one of the best songs Foreigner has ever done
Yea, I agree that "Love Has Taken..." was a great song! Such a great album! Did you know that Ian also helped write "Do What You Like" on the 3rd album? I've always liked that one a lot.
Bless McDonald and all the great music - Foreigner too, even, sorta - lots of 8th great make-out music I'll never forget - but, yes, Crimson never sold out, and only one man kept that going.
Great video, I sometimes wonder what Foreigner would've been like if the original lineup would've stayed together in the eighties? Most of my favorite Foreigner songs were the ones when all of the original members were still together
I LOVED the first 3 records. Hard Rock / Pop MASTERPIECES. (the details! the craftsmanship! the surprises) "4" I DESPISED WITH ALL MY HEART. (I had to give up on ALL the bands I liked when 1980 hit! NO ONE hated the 1980s more than me. All fake and plastic.)
3. Don't forget Head Games which is great too. But i loathed 4! THE WORST PART is having NO WARNING and your best friends FIRE YOU FROM THE BAND YOU HELPED FORM. This happens too often. (EX: Syd Barrett in Pink Floyd!) (then the rest tried to do it to each other and sued each other!) POWER AND MONEY WILL ALWAYS CORRUPT HUMANS.
@@herbtube7824 even the band hates 4. they were intentionally making a deal with the devil, for more money. it's an almost entirely new band (musically) than the prior 3 albums. Even Juke Box Hero (catchy but crass) would never have been allowed on the first 3 albums. Too OBVIOUS. If you love the LP, you're a lucky man. Imagine being in Huey Lewis & The News! They made one of the most severe deals with the devil, after ten years of not much success, but it was a catch 22. They hated everything about that 80s GLOSS that they are known for, but they wanted to get rich. They were a dirty SOUL band IRL! Justin Bieber? HE HATES the music he sings. He loves filthy gangsta rap but his managers etc won't let him lose all his tween girl fans. That's why it's called a "Gilded CAGE". You got the gold. And instead of it buying you freedom, it bought you a prison.
No sour grapes, I was an original Foreigner fan back in the mid seventies, probably one of the first people to get the album in Toronto. There first two albums were fantastic, then when head games came in a few good songs, and then after that I lost interest as it become more ballad orientated with a Journey feel towards there music. Lou's solo album in 88 was fantastic, listen to it if you find it on here, great album. As well Daryl Hall of Hall and Oates had a solo album, another great album. Amazing how so much great music is passed by in favor of the big bands, when there is so many jems along the way....
The fact Ian McDonald was fired from the band does not sit well at all. He was a big contributor and it seems Mick Jones felt threatened by his talent.
Nobody's perfect, especially Mick Jones. Seems like he had a tough personality, was old school, and whatever he wanted, that was it. Take it or leave it. Even Lou Gramm split from the band a couple of times. It is such a shame they didn't learn to work it out and stay together (the original lineup). The first two albums were so good! The irony is that Mick Jones used support musicians in place of McDonald & Greenwood on future albums and replaced Gagliardi with Rick Wills. Image McDonald doing the sax solo on Urgent! And Greenwood doing the keyboards on Waiting For A Girl Like You, That Was Yesterday, and of course, I Want To Know What Love Is! Oh, let's not forget what a huge contribution McDonald gave to the songs: rhythm guitar (esp on Hot Blooded!), added to the great harmonies, played sax, piano / keys, and flute (remember Starrider?), and even helped write a few songs too!
@@supernovasupernova9371 I don't know if you read Lou Gramms biography "JUKE BOX HERO " my 5 decades in Rock and Roll. Lou said that Ian was as responsible for recruiting the other 4 band members which included Lou himself as Mick Jones. Lou also explained that he and Ian wrote good songs together and it was Mick Jones who actually looked down on Ian's songwriting ability . At the beginning of the making of the 4 Album it was still a 6 piece band. Ian and AL Greewood just wanted to get more of their songs on the record, but because Mick was a real control freak, big tensions arose on account of that. That's when the band decided to pare down to 4 people so Ian and AL were fired in September, 1980. The record company (Atlantic) didn't like that move because the Bible belt states torn them up for that cover of Head Games with that 14 year old girl in the men's bathroom. The album didn't sell as well as the first two. The record company told them "OK, but you better deliver something or else. Later when Lou put out "Midnight Blue", he did it as a soloist because Mick was rejecting all of Lous ideas and Lou presented Midnight Blue to the band first but Jones trashed the song, played the guitar opening on the song badly on purpose because he didn't think the song was "to the level "of Foreigner songs. Lou put a solo band together recorded "Midnight Blue'" on Billboard it charted at #5 and was the most requested song on American radio in 1987. That's what gave Lou the balls to leave Foreigner in 1990. Lou did keep in touch with original band members for many years. Jones , I can't say the same.
@@waltersimmons946 Hey Walt, thanks for all these cool back stories! I remember hearing about most of these in some articles and through other fans - explains a lot about Lou's frustrations and separations from Foreigner. I remember how excited I was when Lou put out his solo albums, running out immediately to buy them, and enjoying listening to them! You could tell how influential his talent was to Foreigner and how wrong Mick was to reject his songs! What a slap to Mick's face that was how Midnight Blue, Ready or Not, and Just Between You And Me reached such huge success! And Mick even released that very average solo album that didn't do well at all. The only song I remember that was decent was Everything That Comes Around which was an average version of I Want To Know What Love Is. These solo albums really showed us what different directions the two wanted to go with Foreigner.
IAN MCDONALD and Lou Gramm wrote "LOVE HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL " But Ian McDonald and Lou Gramm also wrote "DO WHAT YOU LIKE" on the album HEAD GAMES and they wrote the bonus track "ZALIA" also Ian McDonald co wrote "WAITING FOR A GIRL LIKE YOU" along with Jones and Gramm but got NO credit for it. Shades of what Mick Jones would later do to Lou Gramm.
I thought Foreigner was a much more artistic band when Ian was with them, too bad they've went towards a lighter and more commercial direction after he got booted out of the band
@@IcouldBNE1 I agree too! But many bands feel pressure to go the commercial way to make more sales unfortunately. Lou Gramm was always against that. "I wanna do rock music! That is what I love and best at!"
and FOREIGNER inspired Ritchie Blackmore to change RAINBOW's sound to be more commercial like Foreigner, cuz RB wanted bigger crowds...and he got his wish with their 1980s dreck. GIMME THE 1960s and 1970s, baby!!
That's cutting thru the bushes, alright. I hope its evident to all. When you boot someone like Ian Macdonald from your band, you're obviously forsaking talent, vision, and honesty for cold hard cash.
@@benadam7753 Hi Ben. I'm still pissed off about Ed being let go! RIP brother! I liked his sound with that huge Rickenbacker bass...and he played lefty which was really cool! The only thing I can think of (other than him arguing with Mick) is that perhaps he couldn't (or didn't want to) play more "modernish" music that Mick wanted try like "Urgent" which required high bass ability including funky plucking, etc..., plus Mick had his eyes on Rick Wills who had huge experience with Peter Frampton and others.
@@benadam7753 Hi Ben! Always good to talk Foreigner with another fan, especially a Gagliardi fan! Yes, I remember him explaining the lefty thing in an interview somewhere. So cool! How many guys will switch hands in honor of their legends? The other thing is that lefty guitars / basses are really hard to find and much more expensive - sometimes have to be specially ordered. Too bad he didn't find bass work in a Beatles tribute band - he would have fit in very well! Poor guy, he didn't deserve how his life ended up after such good service to a legendary band! Huge life lesson about working with strong type A personalities!
There's a hierarchy in EVERY band...and there is always a disenfranchised member or members of every band...usually the drummer and bass players...its sad because every member has very valuable ideas and experience to share or they wouldn't be in that band at all.
In the beginning the profits were split five ways? All the original members were up for equal shares minus the song writing team. But by Double Vision the powers that be that being Lou and Mick decided that hey man, why we paying these dudes a fifth share? So Ed was fired, then Al, and Ian. Replacement players are brought in on a salary, and then?? Mick screws Lou over and so on and so forth. I once sent an email to Al Greenwood about it? but he never replied. Kinda like yeah ya know?
Every subsequent Foreigner album was worse than the previous one , by Agent Provocateur I actually gave up MOR trash , even really after 4 it was all over for me , the 1st 2 albums are really good which of course feature Ian McDonald!
RIP: Ian McDonald, You should have been in Foreigner 4Life!
He's so soft spoken it's accidental ASMR 🥰
"Mick and Lou decided they wanted to be the focus of the band. Mick wanted to make it more apparent that it was his group, so he decided to make a smaller group. That was his decision. I wouldn't have left-I loved the group, it was not my decision."
If you watch the original video for Urgent, you'll notice that in the background there is 2 fill in players for Ian McDonald and Al Greenwood! The band wasn't smaller Mick was using session players to fill those spots! Becoming basically a tyrant at that point!
@@benadam7753 THEY ALL DO THIS CRAP.
YOu can PAY SOME NOBODY PEANUTS, after you replace the STARS who get much larger pay. Sharon Osbourne 101.
David Lee Roth could hire a KILLER BAND.... but he'd have to pay them a LOT more than 4 newbies he can RIP OFF.
Steve Vai doesn't even tour with his pal Billy Sheehan, cuz Vai will have to pay Billy a TONE MORE than Vai pays his unfamous bassist.
MONEY CORRUPTS EVERYTHING.
Some would say "Foreigner were SUPER-SUCCESSFUL AND RICH, so no need to RIP OFF YOUR BEST FRIENDS and bandmates, and then fire them!"....but EGOS and COKE get out of control when success hits (success destroys everything it touches....cuz human egos).....but also, ALL Rock Stars were MOSTLY POOR AS SHIT, bc the LABEL and management etc are all well designed to ROB ARTISTS (who pay attention to art, not business).
THEY MAKE LITTLE ON THE ALBUM SALES. LIVE GIGS are where they'd make money the label couldn't steal, but even LIVE SHOWS ARE NOT THAT PROFITABLE, cuz the expenses are insane!
(When Taylor Swift makes a BILLION dollars on a tour, she probably pocketed less than $50,000, cuz it cost these shows 99 CENTS per DOLLAR....just for expenses for a crew of 200 ppl! 20 18 wheelers with drivers, hotels, gas, it's impossibly inefficient and dumb. I play outdoors, so my audience is EVERY HUMAN WITH EYES AND EARS. I will never run out of customers just playing ONE CITY, see? )
(U2's profit margin was like 5% if they were lucky. MINE? 100% sometimes 200%! How's that for efficiency?!! )
REPORTEDLY, Black Sabbath were paid $250,000 to play California Jam, but their skeevy manager only paid them each $1000 and kept the rest!
THIS IS THE RULE.
POWER CORRUPTS HUMANS.
@@benadam7753 And of course paying them less money, so more money for him !
Ian McDonald we still love you...you guys were fantastic...
May Ian rest in peace.
I saw Foreigner in October of 1977 in Scranton, Pa, at the CYC which was at that time an arena for various events including concerts. Foreigner was headlining on their opening tour with Jay Ferguson of "Thunder Island" fame their opening act. I sat in the balcony right above Ian McDonald and I was treated to a tutorial on the greatness of his multi-instrumental talents. I would marvel as he picked up a guitar and played it and then picked up a flute and played it and picked up a sax and played it and then he had keyboards that he played. All instruments were played brilliantly. I was very impressed with Ian McDonald as a musician. I never saw that level of musicianship in decades of rock concerts I'd seen. I been raving about Ian's talent for years. I remember being very impressed with Ian and Lou Gramm. In fact, Al Greenwood was amazing as a keyboardist. Mick Jones, Ed Gagliardi and Dennis Elliot were wonderful talents at that show so long ago.
I definitely agree that Foreigner wasn't the same after Ian, Al and Ed left the band, I wish Ian would've wrote more songs with Foreigner, I thought "Love Has Taken Its Toll was one of the best songs Foreigner has ever done
Ed G who was the bassist was forced out after double vision album mick jones wanted Rick wills. Mr. Gs time with band was temporary
@@jsteed44 He literally fainted when mick jones let him go..Micks head got to big.Then they cut down to 4 guys, its called greed....
Yea, I agree that "Love Has Taken..." was a great song! Such a great album! Did you know that Ian also helped write "Do What You Like" on the 3rd album? I've always liked that one a lot.
Bless McDonald and all the great music - Foreigner too, even, sorta - lots of 8th great make-out music I'll never forget - but, yes, Crimson never sold out, and only one man kept that going.
Great video, I sometimes wonder what Foreigner would've been like if the original lineup would've stayed together in the eighties? Most of my favorite Foreigner songs were the ones when all of the original members were still together
I LOVED the first 3 records. Hard Rock / Pop MASTERPIECES. (the details! the craftsmanship! the surprises)
"4" I DESPISED WITH ALL MY HEART.
(I had to give up on ALL the bands I liked when 1980 hit! NO ONE hated the 1980s more than me. All fake and plastic.)
Me too! I consider the first 3 Foreigner albums the best!
I always felt that he wasted his time with them, because they did not take advantage of his immense talent!
Its a shame that he isnt talking about "McDonald And Giles"....Its a great album!!....
That album is absolute perfection.
Love that Album!
It is a shame that the original 6 weren't together past 2 albums.
3.
Don't forget Head Games which is great too. But i loathed 4!
THE WORST PART is having NO WARNING and your best friends FIRE YOU FROM THE BAND YOU HELPED FORM. This happens too often. (EX: Syd Barrett in Pink Floyd!) (then the rest tried to do it to each other and sued each other!)
POWER AND MONEY WILL ALWAYS CORRUPT HUMANS.
@@jonbongjovi1869 2. Head Games already had a new bassist. And there’s nothing to loathe about 4.
@@herbtube7824 even the band hates 4. they were intentionally making a deal with the devil, for more money.
it's an almost entirely new band (musically) than the prior 3 albums.
Even Juke Box Hero (catchy but crass) would never have been allowed on the first 3 albums. Too OBVIOUS.
If you love the LP, you're a lucky man.
Imagine being in Huey Lewis & The News! They made one of the most severe deals with the devil, after ten years of not much success, but it was a catch 22. They hated everything about that 80s GLOSS that they are known for, but they wanted to get rich. They were a dirty SOUL band IRL!
Justin Bieber? HE HATES the music he sings. He loves filthy gangsta rap but his managers etc won't let him lose all his tween girl fans.
That's why it's called a "Gilded CAGE".
You got the gold. And instead of it buying you freedom, it bought you a prison.
@@jonbongjovi1869 Ed Gagliardi wasn't on Head Games. He was fired just before they went into the studio. It was very tough on him.
@@jonbongjovi1869 4 is Lou Gramms favorite Foreigner album.
I love Ian he was one of the best 💖 He and Al were fantastic. I wish they would have kept them in the band. R I P Ian 💙💔miss and love you still.🎸🎷🎤🎼
No sour grapes, I was an original Foreigner fan back in the mid seventies, probably one of the first people to get the album in Toronto. There first two albums were fantastic, then when head games came in a few good songs, and then after that I lost interest as it become more ballad orientated with a Journey feel towards there music.
Lou's solo album in 88 was fantastic, listen to it if you find it on here, great album. As well Daryl Hall of Hall and Oates had a solo album, another great album. Amazing how so much great music is passed by in favor of the big bands, when there is so many jems along the way....
Great interview.
The fact Ian McDonald was fired from the band does not sit well at all. He was a big contributor and it seems Mick Jones felt threatened by his talent.
For sure. He was the one in charge and didn't want anyone around him too outstanding or outspoken - hence the firing of Bassist Ed Gagliardi.
Al Greenwood Too!
Nobody's perfect, especially Mick Jones. Seems like he had a tough personality, was old school, and whatever he wanted, that was it. Take it or leave it. Even Lou Gramm split from the band a couple of times. It is such a shame they didn't learn to work it out and stay together (the original lineup). The first two albums were so good! The irony is that Mick Jones used support musicians in place of McDonald & Greenwood on future albums and replaced Gagliardi with Rick Wills. Image McDonald doing the sax solo on Urgent! And Greenwood doing the keyboards on Waiting For A Girl Like You, That Was Yesterday, and of course, I Want To Know What Love Is! Oh, let's not forget what a huge contribution McDonald gave to the songs: rhythm guitar (esp on Hot Blooded!), added to the great harmonies, played sax, piano / keys, and flute (remember Starrider?), and even helped write a few songs too!
@@supernovasupernova9371 I don't know if you read Lou Gramms biography "JUKE BOX HERO " my 5 decades in Rock and Roll. Lou said that Ian was as responsible for recruiting the other 4 band members which included Lou himself as Mick Jones. Lou also explained that he and Ian wrote good songs together and it was Mick Jones who actually looked down on Ian's songwriting ability . At the beginning of the making of the 4 Album it was still a 6 piece band. Ian and AL Greewood just wanted to get more of their songs on the record, but because Mick was a real control freak, big tensions arose on account of that. That's when the band decided to pare down to 4 people so Ian and AL were fired in September, 1980. The record company (Atlantic) didn't like that move because the Bible belt states torn them up for that cover of Head Games with that 14 year old girl in the men's bathroom. The album didn't sell as well as the first two. The record company told them "OK, but you better deliver something or else. Later when Lou put out "Midnight Blue", he did it as a soloist because Mick was rejecting all of Lous ideas and Lou presented Midnight Blue to the band first but Jones trashed the song, played the guitar opening on the song badly on purpose because he didn't think the song was "to the level "of Foreigner songs. Lou put a solo band together recorded "Midnight Blue'" on Billboard it charted at #5 and was the most requested song on American radio in 1987. That's what gave Lou the balls to leave Foreigner in 1990. Lou did keep in touch with original band members for many years. Jones , I can't say the same.
@@waltersimmons946 Hey Walt, thanks for all these cool back stories! I remember hearing about most of these in some articles and through other fans - explains a lot about Lou's frustrations and separations from Foreigner. I remember how excited I was when Lou put out his solo albums, running out immediately to buy them, and enjoying listening to them! You could tell how influential his talent was to Foreigner and how wrong Mick was to reject his songs! What a slap to Mick's face that was how Midnight Blue, Ready or Not, and Just Between You And Me reached such huge success! And Mick even released that very average solo album that didn't do well at all. The only song I remember that was decent was Everything That Comes Around which was an average version of I Want To Know What Love Is. These solo albums really showed us what different directions the two wanted to go with Foreigner.
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You can't have success without leadership.
He wasn't in T-Rex but he did play on Bang-a-Gong.
I did not know that!
@@John42ification Me neither! :-) I really love Power Station's remake of that! I always crank it!
IAN MCDONALD and Lou Gramm wrote "LOVE HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL " But Ian McDonald and Lou Gramm also wrote "DO WHAT YOU LIKE" on the album HEAD GAMES and they wrote the bonus track "ZALIA" also Ian McDonald co wrote "WAITING FOR A GIRL LIKE YOU" along with Jones and Gramm but got NO credit for it. Shades of what Mick Jones would later do to Lou Gramm.
I thought Foreigner was a much more artistic band when Ian was with them, too bad they've went towards a lighter and more commercial direction after he got booted out of the band
I agree. The original band with Ian, Al and Ed was the best Foreigner.
@@IcouldBNE1 I agree too! But many bands feel pressure to go the commercial way to make more sales unfortunately. Lou Gramm was always against that. "I wanna do rock music! That is what I love and best at!"
and FOREIGNER inspired Ritchie Blackmore to change RAINBOW's sound to be more commercial like Foreigner, cuz RB wanted bigger crowds...and he got his wish with their 1980s dreck.
GIMME THE 1960s and 1970s, baby!!
@@supernovasupernova9371 If I were Lou, i wouldn't have been able to tolerate the vapid crap on "4". Or the firing of the other guys.
So in a nice way, Ian said Mick Jones became a prick!
That's cutting thru the bushes, alright. I hope its evident to all. When you boot someone like Ian Macdonald from your band, you're obviously forsaking talent, vision, and honesty for cold hard cash.
Also there was no good reason to dump Ed Gagliardi!
@@benadam7753 Hi Ben. I'm still pissed off about Ed being let go! RIP brother! I liked his sound with that huge Rickenbacker bass...and he played lefty which was really cool! The only thing I can think of (other than him arguing with Mick) is that perhaps he couldn't (or didn't want to) play more "modernish" music that Mick wanted try like "Urgent" which required high bass ability including funky plucking, etc..., plus Mick had his eyes on Rick Wills who had huge experience with Peter Frampton and others.
@@supernovasupernova9371 Ed Gagliardi was naturally right handed! He taught himself to play bass left handed in honour of his hero Sir Paul MaCartney!
@@benadam7753 Hi Ben! Always good to talk Foreigner with another fan, especially a Gagliardi fan! Yes, I remember him explaining the lefty thing in an interview somewhere. So cool! How many guys will switch hands in honor of their legends? The other thing is that lefty guitars / basses are really hard to find and much more expensive - sometimes have to be specially ordered. Too bad he didn't find bass work in a Beatles tribute band - he would have fit in very well! Poor guy, he didn't deserve how his life ended up after such good service to a legendary band! Huge life lesson about working with strong type A personalities!
@big1370 Love Has Taken Its Toll was off the Double Vision
"Corporate rock"
There's a hierarchy in EVERY band...and there is always a disenfranchised member or members of every band...usually the drummer and bass players...its sad because every member has very valuable ideas and experience to share or they wouldn't be in that band at all.
@Doobie1975 Cause Mick Jones is a DEWSH
In the beginning the profits were split five ways? All the original members were up for equal shares minus the song writing team. But by Double Vision the powers that be that being Lou and Mick decided that hey man, why we paying these dudes a fifth share? So Ed was fired, then Al, and Ian. Replacement players are brought in on a salary, and then?? Mick screws Lou over and so on and so forth. I once sent an email to Al Greenwood about it? but he never replied. Kinda like yeah ya know?
It seemed like Mick wanted as much control as possible. He fired Ed Gagliardi after Double vision. Half of the band was gone after the third album
Every subsequent Foreigner album was worse than the previous one , by Agent Provocateur I actually gave up MOR trash , even really after 4 it was all over for me , the 1st 2 albums are really good which of course feature Ian McDonald!
No Ian, Foreigner was textbook Commercial Rock
After Jones fired Al & Ian, the band sucked afterwards. Ian was the guitar.