Looks at a giant pool of blood, a bloody knife and drag marks on the floor. "I'm sensing a murder happened here, but I can't say what happened exactly. "
Dr Pulaski's character was written as a Dr. McCoy to Data to bring back the McCoy Spock dynamic of TOS. After a few episodes, it didn't work and Pulaski got to be friends with Data.
whoopie was a weird addition because she was fairly famous at this time. The Guinin character I felt was a decent addition to the show. It gave the ship the 10-forward lounge that showed the crew in a relaxed setting for their off hours and a bartender that had a mysterious backstory and interesting intuition for future episodes.
I thought she was poorly written. She knows about the Borg...but said nothing (literally for decades or possibly centuries) until the Enterprise was right in front of them. She and Q have some kind of antagonistic relationship but it's never explained. She seems to have some kind of power to fight with Q, but that power is never demonstrated. In fact we never learn much of anything about her species: how she got to Earth in the 1800s, or how she came to be in, then leave, the Nexus. Why does she think being in the Nexus is like being "inside joy", yet Picard and Kirk get disillusioned within minutes of being there? Is her species particularly vulnerable to that sort of influence? As a character it always seemed like she was treated as an afterthought. "How do we develop Guinan?" "Just say she doesn't like Q, we'll fill the rest in later." But they never followed up with anything. There is a slight hint that she has a long standing, special friendship with Picard which is kinda addressed in Time's Arrow, but she doesn't really do anything in those episodes, and she doesn't interact with Picard much more than anyone else. She could have been so much more.
Whoopi has been a fan of Star Trek since TOS - mostly due to Nichelle Nichols. As a child, she saw Uhura on T.V. and seeing a black woman in a position of power and not as a maid made her run around the house screaming with excitement and showed her she could anything and this inspired her to become an actress and comedian. When Goldberg later learned that her friend LeVar Burton had been cast in a role for a new Star Trek series, she asked him to tell Gene Roddenberry that she also wanted to be on the show. When the producers didn't take her request seriously, Goldberg contacted Roddenberry directly and he accepted her request.
1:22-Whoopi Goldberg has been a fan of Star Trek since TOS - mostly due to Nichelle Nichols. As a child, Goldberg saw Uhura on T.V. and seeing a black woman in a position of power and not as a maid made her run around the house screaming with excitement and showed her she could anything and this inspired her to become an actress and comedian. When Goldberg later learned that her friend LeVar Burton had been cast in a role for a new Star Trek series, she asked him to tell Gene Roddenberry that she also wanted to be on the show. When the producers didn't take her request seriously, Goldberg contacted Roddenberry directly and he accepted her request.
@@3dartistguy Wow. Racist much? Nichelle Nichols and others like her made HUGE strides in an industry where people of color were still not welcome at the time.
The most engaging moments of this episode were in the first 15 minutes, then it seemed to degenerate. Troi was impregnated by force, yet seemed untraumatized. Within a week, she had the child, watched it grow and watched it die. The Enterprise crew regards it all more as a curiosity than an alien violation that needs to be stopped. The new doctor projects confidence, but lacks Dr. Crusher's softer side. I'm sure young Wesley was glad to be without parental supervision, but I'm glad Dr. Crusher returned the following season.
Surprised that these two analytical dudes didn't seem to notice that Pulaski is intended to be the female "Dr. McCoy" of the show. That's why she's old fashioned, curmudgeony, and suspicious of new technologies. She treats Data that way because McCoy treated Spock that way. Spock was all "logic and no emotion," and Data fills that role in TNG. Bones always preferred a more "human" approach, and that line by Pulaski was no doubt written to make her role clear. And just like Bones eventually comes around to Spock, Pulaski eventually warms up to Data. Maybe these dudes just never saw TOS.
Thanks for this! I’m currently about to start reading a HP/StarTrek crossover and its cantered around this episode. But I’ve never really watched StarTrek before
The opening shot of the two ships and the music is just brilliant, and the pan down to bearded Riker, yellow shirted Worf and Geordi and you know the whole feel of the show has now changed for the better. In fact it is now "grand".
It is possible that Pulaski might’ve been hard on Data to begin with, because the writers had the intention for a character arc. Pulaski becomes a Data’s biggest advocate by the second from the last episode of the season, peak performance.
"I would've called him Data too just because it annoyed him" -- Well, you're antagonistic and that reflects poorly on you (although if I wanted the person to go away and they couldn't take the hint, maybe then?) That said, he's an android, and would surely tell you in spite of occasionally expressing what seems to be emotion, that he is not capable of experiencing annoyance. 😄. Agreed, Pulaski is a grating character.
10:00 I think what they've figured out that if you can beam something to the transporter platform from anywhere and can beam something from the transporter platform to anywhere, then you can use the transporter room to do both. But you want to have someone present in the transporter room in case something goes wrong to start pushing buttons and turning knobs. And also not use it more than necessary.
The new doctor dissed protocol, not reporting directly to the captain, opting instead to discuss Troi's issues over drinks. When Picard arrived at Ten Forward, she ordered him to sit down and listen. She felt it was unimportant to pronounce Data's name correctly. I'm surprised she lasted the whole season,.
I don't think it's fake tears or gel, I think it's her very heavy foundation running off due to the tears running down her face. Love the vids, I'm glad they got longer!
Riker's initial reaction to Troi's news was tinged with a bit of anger and jealousy. Once he found out it happened against her will, he just wanted her to be alright.
So if Beverly was the HEAD of Starfleet Medical... what's the in-universe explanation for her getting sent back to the Enterprise later? I know the behind-the-scenes reason for her return, but I'm just curious as to what the explanation is in the universe of the series.
She had been promoted but screwed up and got busted back down to commander and sent back to the enterprise in hopes of her getting some alien disease or something.
He was conceived and born within 36 hours, grew to the age of nine in about a day or two, and then voluntarily died. So yeah, basically the typical human experience.
Why can’t they beam the sample out? The transporter can dematerialize something then beam it out as energy or disperse it as individual atoms. That was an option in TOS.
Dr Pulaski is super annoying when she repeatedly mocks the other crew members for being freaked out by a forced alien impregnation that is progressing at warp speed. It's clearly not a normal baby, she admits she's never seen anything like it, but she still treats anyone who voices concerns like a baby-phobic idiot. She's also mean to Data, which is like kicking a puppy. To be fair, Data is the only android of his kind and Dr Pulaski does become more likeable as the season progresses.
Why can't they beam the virus and the container into a random energy pattern? In other words break down the virus and container into energy, then beam it into space without reassembling the original pattern. Or if that doesn't work for some technobabble reason, tow it with a tractor beam and dump it into the nearest star. Starfleet personnel have the least imagination when it comes to solutions.
Agreed. I loved hating the competent doctor, turns out I’m similar in my own profession. Therefore, I offer the same lovable- hateable mechanic to /some/ of my patrons. They need it.
I have way bigger questions about the transporter ... Why does Picard walk to his ready room, when he could just transport between there and the captain's chair!? Can you just transport food into your stomach if you don't have time for lunch (or transport your poo out if you don't want to take a shit)? Why are they always cutting people open to do surgery instead of transporting surgery robots into/out of them? And, most importantly, why doesn't anyone just transport Pulaski, Wesley, and Troi out into space when nobody's looking!????!!!
Kevin moynihan here give her Diana troi a break she lost her fake child because the alien child was curious how us humans treatment of children is very bad or good this eopisde is telling us grief and pregnancy go hand in hand
Maybe making Troi a passive character in her own pregnancy is the point. Maybe some women are made to fee that way by the people in their lives, or medical personnel, or the government when they are pregnant
Pulaski is getting a bad wrap. The writers wanted to duplicate the Spock/Dr. McCoy relationship. However, her character came off as racist and a permanent case of PMS.
Pretty sure this is yet another case where writers think a lot less than Treknerds do ... It's not like we don't see 10 Forward but somebody mentions going there for a drink or *anything* ... it just ... appears out of nowhere. But there's a lot of in-universe things whose presence is totally random (we hear about anbo-jyutsu constantly during the Riker-family-therapy episode ... but afaik we *never* hear (Cmdr) Riker ever mention it again) ... It's almost like they make crap up to suit immediate narrative requirements without considering whether it forms a self-consistent universe.
@@halfsourlizard9319 Star Trek critics often point to flaws in other tv series as if Star Trek is superior and perfect and then when they decide to create this huge plot hole they just laugh it off any criticisms at their own starship made of glass.
Pulaski seems kinda mean since they just wanted to do Bones/Spock again with her and Data. But I always kind of liked her more than Beverly and think that she had more personality, Crusher was always just an exposition dump or was serving as "Wesleys worried mom" I think Bev only got 2-3 good episodes in the series.
She's some crap attempt to make a Bones-style 'Damn it, Jim!' curmudgeonly technophobe doctor. McCoy's scepticism of tech made sense in the '60s, but it just doesn't work in the late '80s/early '90s. Also, she's needlessly a total asshat to Data, and Data is a character that fans fairly universally love.
You guys (men) do realize that a doctor CAN tell if a woman has ever given birth before? The fact that Deanna's body was completely healed even of any such sign of childbirth is a telling point, not just a series wipe-away moment.
And later Marvel comics tried making their own version of the story in Avengers Anniversary Issue #200 and fucked it up even worst, adding incest. Yeah, they went there.
@@marshallhuffer4713 If any one of you defies the Tal Shiar, you will not bear the punishment alone! That episode is also the first ponytail-Worf episode, and -- as everyone knows -- ponytails make Worf at least 5% more badass.
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I'd love to see Marina in her own (Netflix?) comedy series as a police psychic fraud who frames other people so she can sell her book.
Looks at a giant pool of blood, a bloody knife and drag marks on the floor. "I'm sensing a murder happened here, but I can't say what happened exactly. "
She's very good at comedy I'd love to see her in a comedy
Dr Pulaski's character was written as a Dr. McCoy to Data to bring back the McCoy Spock dynamic of TOS. After a few episodes, it didn't work and Pulaski got to be friends with Data.
whoopie was a weird addition because she was fairly famous at this time.
The Guinin character I felt was a decent addition to the show. It gave the ship the 10-forward lounge that showed the crew in a relaxed setting for their off hours and a bartender that had a mysterious backstory and interesting intuition for future episodes.
I thought she was poorly written. She knows about the Borg...but said nothing (literally for decades or possibly centuries) until the Enterprise was right in front of them. She and Q have some kind of antagonistic relationship but it's never explained. She seems to have some kind of power to fight with Q, but that power is never demonstrated. In fact we never learn much of anything about her species: how she got to Earth in the 1800s, or how she came to be in, then leave, the Nexus. Why does she think being in the Nexus is like being "inside joy", yet Picard and Kirk get disillusioned within minutes of being there? Is her species particularly vulnerable to that sort of influence?
As a character it always seemed like she was treated as an afterthought. "How do we develop Guinan?" "Just say she doesn't like Q, we'll fill the rest in later." But they never followed up with anything. There is a slight hint that she has a long standing, special friendship with Picard which is kinda addressed in Time's Arrow, but she doesn't really do anything in those episodes, and she doesn't interact with Picard much more than anyone else. She could have been so much more.
Whoopi has been a fan of Star Trek since TOS - mostly due to Nichelle Nichols. As a child, she saw Uhura on T.V. and seeing a black woman in a position of power and not as a maid made her run around the house screaming with excitement and showed her she could anything and this inspired her to become an actress and comedian. When Goldberg later learned that her friend LeVar Burton had been cast in a role for a new Star Trek series, she asked him to tell Gene Roddenberry that she also wanted to be on the show. When the producers didn't take her request seriously, Goldberg contacted Roddenberry directly and he accepted her request.
No idea why you guys aren't more popular, this is great stuff
1:22-Whoopi Goldberg has been a fan of Star Trek since TOS - mostly due to Nichelle Nichols. As a child, Goldberg saw Uhura on T.V. and seeing a black woman in a position of power and not as a maid made her run around the house screaming with excitement and showed her she could anything and this inspired her to become an actress and comedian. When Goldberg later learned that her friend LeVar Burton had been cast in a role for a new Star Trek series, she asked him to tell Gene Roddenberry that she also wanted to be on the show. When the producers didn't take her request seriously, Goldberg contacted Roddenberry directly and he accepted her request.
What position of power? All she ever did was say hailing frequencies open
She was shown working alongside white men as an equal.
@@marshallhuffer4713 Big Deal. She got there because of Affirmative action not because she earned it like everyone else does.
@@3dartistguy Wow. Racist much? Nichelle Nichols and others like her made HUGE strides in an industry where people of color were still not welcome at the time.
Data has been in starfleet for decades and earned his rank. Its ridiculous that she treated him the way she did. And blatantly insubordinate.
The most engaging moments of this episode were in the first 15 minutes, then it seemed to degenerate. Troi was impregnated by force, yet seemed untraumatized. Within a week, she had the child, watched it grow and watched it die. The Enterprise crew regards it all more as a curiosity than an alien violation that needs to be stopped. The new doctor projects confidence, but lacks Dr. Crusher's softer side. I'm sure young Wesley was glad to be without parental supervision, but I'm glad Dr. Crusher returned the following season.
Surprised that these two analytical dudes didn't seem to notice that Pulaski is intended to be the female "Dr. McCoy" of the show. That's why she's old fashioned, curmudgeony, and suspicious of new technologies. She treats Data that way because McCoy treated Spock that way. Spock was all "logic and no emotion," and Data fills that role in TNG. Bones always preferred a more "human" approach, and that line by Pulaski was no doubt written to make her role clear. And just like Bones eventually comes around to Spock, Pulaski eventually warms up to Data.
Maybe these dudes just never saw TOS.
Thanks for this! I’m currently about to start reading a HP/StarTrek crossover and its cantered around this episode. But I’ve never really watched StarTrek before
GUINAN
should've been the
ship's counselor
DEANNA TROI
should've been written out
Woopi's character is way cool!
The opening shot of the two ships and the music is just brilliant, and the pan down to bearded Riker, yellow shirted Worf and Geordi and you know the whole feel of the show has now changed for the better. In fact it is now "grand".
I think i'm having a Mandela effect. I remember when i saw that episode the title was "Star Child".
that's the girl from
V the original series
It is possible that Pulaski might’ve been hard on Data to begin with, because the writers had the intention for a character arc.
Pulaski becomes a Data’s biggest advocate by the second from the last episode of the season, peak performance.
New Worf prosthetic was a step up, too.
Fun fact. The new prosthetic is because the old one got stolen.
"I would've called him Data too just because it annoyed him" -- Well, you're antagonistic and that reflects poorly on you (although if I wanted the person to go away and they couldn't take the hint, maybe then?) That said, he's an android, and would surely tell you in spite of occasionally expressing what seems to be emotion, that he is not capable of experiencing annoyance. 😄. Agreed, Pulaski is a grating character.
There should have been an episode where Troi works in ten forward for a week and Guinan becomes ship's counselor for a week 😂
10:00 I think what they've figured out that
if you can beam something to the transporter platform from anywhere and
can beam something from the transporter platform to anywhere,
then you can use the transporter room to do both.
But you want to have someone present in the transporter room in case something goes wrong to start pushing buttons and turning knobs.
And also not use it more than necessary.
The new doctor dissed protocol, not reporting directly to the captain, opting instead to discuss Troi's issues over drinks. When Picard arrived at Ten Forward, she ordered him to sit down and listen. She felt it was unimportant to pronounce Data's name correctly. I'm surprised she lasted the whole season,.
Yeah as someone who could get pregnant, but really really does not want to, this episode freaked me the fuck out. Absolutely terrifying.
She was very rude i can see why crusher came back ha
I don't think it's fake tears or gel, I think it's her very heavy foundation running off due to the tears running down her face. Love the vids, I'm glad they got longer!
Riker's initial reaction to Troi's news was tinged with a bit of anger and jealousy. Once he found out it happened against her will, he just wanted her to be alright.
You should see what that Actor that played The (older) kid has done. Guy owns a media company now called Young Hollywood.
Interesting at 9:30 - seems like they already have water damage on the ship and its not even 2 years old!
Not gel tears it's her thick makeup running 😢 love your show!
So if Beverly was the HEAD of Starfleet Medical... what's the in-universe explanation for her getting sent back to the Enterprise later? I know the behind-the-scenes reason for her return, but I'm just curious as to what the explanation is in the universe of the series.
Good question.
Starfleet Medical is the name of the building she was Head of. It's one of those "sounds prestigious but not really" kinda situations.
It doesn't make sense that a mere commander would be in such a position either. That would be a captain billet at least. Probably an admiral.
She had been promoted but screwed up and got busted back down to commander and sent back to the enterprise in hopes of her getting some alien disease or something.
She realised that she missed that Galaxy-Class ganja ...
He was conceived and born within 36 hours, grew to the age of nine in about a day or two, and then voluntarily died.
So yeah, basically the typical human experience.
Why can’t they beam the sample out? The transporter can dematerialize something then beam it out as energy or disperse it as individual atoms. That was an option in TOS.
Dr Pulaski is super annoying when she repeatedly mocks the other crew members for being freaked out by a forced alien impregnation that is progressing at warp speed. It's clearly not a normal baby, she admits she's never seen anything like it, but she still treats anyone who voices concerns like a baby-phobic idiot. She's also mean to Data, which is like kicking a puppy. To be fair, Data is the only android of his kind and Dr Pulaski does become more likeable as the season progresses.
Seymour Cassel is a great casting in this episode. The guy is a fun presence. Fun fact, he's the guy who gave Slash his nickname.
Why can't they beam the virus and the container into a random energy pattern? In other words break down the virus and container into energy, then beam it into space without reassembling the original pattern. Or if that doesn't work for some technobabble reason, tow it with a tractor beam and dump it into the nearest star. Starfleet personnel have the least imagination when it comes to solutions.
Agreed. I loved hating the competent doctor, turns out I’m similar in my own profession. Therefore, I offer the same lovable- hateable mechanic to /some/ of my patrons. They need it.
I have way bigger questions about the transporter ... Why does Picard walk to his ready room, when he could just transport between there and the captain's chair!? Can you just transport food into your stomach if you don't have time for lunch (or transport your poo out if you don't want to take a shit)? Why are they always cutting people open to do surgery instead of transporting surgery robots into/out of them? And, most importantly, why doesn't anyone just transport Pulaski, Wesley, and Troi out into space when nobody's looking!????!!!
Those are real tears, that's the makeup coming off her face because of the tears. 🤣🤣🤣 Men are funny
Series Two *BABY*
“I felt a presence” after being ask who was the father.,,,
Kevin moynihan here give her Diana troi a break she lost her fake child because the alien child was curious how us humans treatment of children is very bad or good this eopisde is telling us grief and pregnancy go hand in hand
Maybe making Troi a passive character in her own pregnancy is the point. Maybe some women are made to fee that way by the people in their lives, or medical personnel, or the government when they are pregnant
B+ def too high lol. Loving all these mini commentaries
It seems they could have flown to the nearest star and shot the virus container into it, but I guess that would be too easy.
Pulaski is getting a bad wrap. The writers wanted to duplicate the Spock/Dr. McCoy relationship. However, her character came off as racist and a permanent case of PMS.
That's *precisely* why Pulaski sucks -- she's annoying as hell, and the attempt to re-do McCoy was lazy and unoriginal.
Where was the bar during the whole first year?
Pretty sure this is yet another case where writers think a lot less than Treknerds do ... It's not like we don't see 10 Forward but somebody mentions going there for a drink or *anything* ... it just ... appears out of nowhere. But there's a lot of in-universe things whose presence is totally random (we hear about anbo-jyutsu constantly during the Riker-family-therapy episode ... but afaik we *never* hear (Cmdr) Riker ever mention it again) ... It's almost like they make crap up to suit immediate narrative requirements without considering whether it forms a self-consistent universe.
@@halfsourlizard9319 Star Trek critics often point to flaws in other tv series as if Star Trek is superior and perfect and then when they decide to create this huge plot hole they just laugh it off any criticisms at their own starship made of glass.
There was an issue of the Avengers where Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel got pregnant similar to this.
Pulaski seems kinda mean since they just wanted to do Bones/Spock again with her and Data.
But I always kind of liked her more than Beverly and think that she had more personality, Crusher was always just an exposition dump or was serving as "Wesleys worried mom" I think Bev only got 2-3 good episodes in the series.
admit it
SUB ROSA
is your favorite episode
What, no mention that the Pulaski actress was in a TOS episode?
iirc, she was actually in *two* TOS episodes
For me is Dr Pulaski the best. Diana Muldaur is an great actress. I don;t will understand that so many people hate her character.
She's some crap attempt to make a Bones-style 'Damn it, Jim!' curmudgeonly technophobe doctor. McCoy's scepticism of tech made sense in the '60s, but it just doesn't work in the late '80s/early '90s. Also, she's needlessly a total asshat to Data, and Data is a character that fans fairly universally love.
Yeah, where's Beverly, Tasha died months ago, the beard, Guinan, and
Pulaski.I agree she was a better doctor.
You guys (men) do realize that a doctor CAN tell if a woman has ever given birth before? The fact that Deanna's body was completely healed even of any such sign of childbirth is a telling point, not just a series wipe-away moment.
Wow. A B+ rating from Nick? I really disliked this Episode...
Yeah, he was way off base. --Robert
And Geordi was promoted off screen Worf also who officially in this one
Why did they get rid of Beverly tho?
Like the real reason. Was she asking for too much money?..
She didn't get along with some producer type.
stop clowning doc bev
Guinan!
I've always really hated this episode.
Should do DS9 and Voyager
And later Marvel comics tried making their own version of the story in Avengers Anniversary Issue #200 and fucked it up even worst, adding incest. Yeah, they went there.
There are some similarities.
This episode reminded me of that Avengers issue too.
_Avengers_ #200 actually came out *before* "The Child"...
I agree with b+
I liked Dr. Pulaski.
Pulaski was a female McCoy wasn't see though? 😂
6:19
One episode I skip every time.
I keep wanting to call her Polanski.
I do that all the time. --Robert
Can never like a Troi episode... they are so bad...
I think "Face of the Enemy" is the exception to that rule.
@@marshallhuffer4713 If any one of you defies the Tal Shiar, you will not bear the punishment alone! That episode is also the first ponytail-Worf episode, and -- as everyone knows -- ponytails make Worf at least 5% more badass.
Grand? Is he french? English? Or Irish? Pick a nationality ha
7:37 the world trade center right in background.