@@FlummoxedCartwright Hasn't what? Even if no one is found guilty, I personally have relief knowing what really happened. A conviction is just icing on the cake at this point for me. I completely can understand if you still feel upset by the whole thing, I hope it goes all the way personally myself, but his testimony has helped me for the time being. Kurts death really hurt me growing up.
@@FlummoxedCartwright Objection. I see where you're coming from, but I've met former dope addicts, and have used myself before. The guy has had a hard life. Also he isnt facing camera because he said in another interview that the camera was blinding him. He, despite what people have said, is not on dope in the interview, he is a former addict, it leaves a permanent effect on some users, for chrissake he lost his arm. I can tell when people are high on dope, this guy was not. He was also promised 375$ for the interview, and was never paid for it. Courtney Love has also admitted in a recorded phone call with a private investigator that was paid to find Kurt she knows who Joe Burns is and said his full name, this was during the time Love was looking for Kurt, so Courtney knew about Joe Burns and also that he was friends with Kurt, they were both from bands, and both did heroin. Criticizing him for his speech patterns isnt fair to him, and no reason not to believe him. Chris Todd is an investigative journalist who vouches for the guys credibility, what he says adds up to other facts about the case that he wouldnt have known otherwise, his testimony fits the narrative perfect. Kurt didnt commit suicide, Kurt was murdered, and I wont be convinced otherwise. Why would kurt be holding a gun with no fingerprints on it, no prints on the pen stabbed in the 'suicide' note, which Chris Todd paid a hand writing forensic specialist, who sent back a 30 some page report stating that the last lines of it were not Kurts handwriting. Someone turned his letter to fans saying he is ending Nirvana, turning it into a suicide note. Also why would Kurt kill himself and tell his daughter Francis that she would be "better off' without him alive? That makes no sense... No child deserves to grow up without knowing their parents, that is cruel, and Kurt loved Francis alot. Kurt was only better off dead than alive because he made Courtney several hundred million dollars when he died...I could go on and on, and from your comment I dont think you have been keeping up with just how many inconsistencies there are in the "suicide" narrative. The guy who shot him even bought the Gun in his own name, DYLAN, and put the receipt in Kurts pocket... none of it makes sense.
@@FlummoxedCartwright I wrote a detailed reply, and somehow it disappeared... I stand by the testimonies. Stop trying to convince me he killed himself. The crime scene was 100% staged, no fingerprints= wiped finger prints, a forged suicide note with a 30 page forensic specialist proving the end was forged. The receipt for the gun is in his pocket was bought in someone elses name, Dylan, the guy who shot him. None of the crime scene makes sense. Courtney admitted in a recorded phone call that she knew Joe Burns by name, that he might be hanging out with Kurt, and this was when she was looking for Kurt, before he died... There are too many plot holes in the suicide narrative because it was a lie. Kurt was murdered, and all of us here believe it. You're wasting your time here dude.
@@FlummoxedCartwright Joe Burns said in another interview he was not on dope in the interview, he is a recovering addict, Chris Todd says he is credible as a witness, and he was being blinded by the studio lighting on his right, thats why hes always looking down. Drug addiction takes a toll on your life and can deteriorate your mind and body, he even lost his arm, thats why he talks like he does, and that makes him no less credible, that is a very weak reason not to believe a man's words. If Courtney mentioned his name in a recorded phone call the week of his death, why do you think he isnt a credible witness, he isnt only friends with kurt, in a band and a user, he was there when it happened. Joe was also never paid $375 he was promised for this interview either, and is risking his life sharing this testimony, and I think it's disrespectful to discredit him over such a weak reason, especially knowing Kurt was also a user like him. If Kurt was indeed murdered, LIKE THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS, then maintaining that he offed himself would not be dignifying his life. We want to know the Truth here, and if the facts dont add up, something isnt right. This is the only narrative I've ever heard where everything adds up. If you have a problem with that, I'd suggest you not comment about it, because some of us want to know what really happened and refuse to accept the old narrative. Courtney STINKS of guilt, and that's been known for over 30 years now. Maybe you should spend your time doing something else than trying to convince people to stop investigating Kurts Murder, something that was NEVER INVESTIGATED BY THE SEATTLE POLICE. It was an open shut case, Kurt was never given justice, but now the truth is coming forward.
@@FlummoxedCartwright what you just said made no sense! If it IS True, IT IS TRUE. Period. Kurt was murdered. There is no other way of going about this, Joe is a witness, and he gave a testimony, what more do you want from him? Please leave me alone. You're not even making sense now. In any court of law to reach real justice, you have to put together all the facts so it plays out, with motives and timelines and names etc. The only person sorely mistaken is you. Buzz off
I would absolutely love to see that happen as well. However, the Seattle PD made SO many major mistakes, mishandled evidence, didn’t treat the home as a crime scene, etc. that they would need a full detailed and signed confession from someone deemed mentally fit by a court approved psychologist in order to secure a conviction at this point.
I was reading Michael Azzarads Come as you are when Kurt was pronounced dead. It seemed surreal and since then I've always wondered what really happened. Its been a long time and Kudos to Joe for bringing truth to light 🕯️
You're an honest gentleman and a scholar letting people know the truth about what happened you got courage. That's what a real man does. The truth has to come out
This only confirms the impression I’ve long had of Courtney as trying to wedge herself into Kurt’s life for personal gain; offering and controlling him and others with whatever excess she could to maintain her place. Getting pregnant so early into their relationship (hadn’t they only known each other a few months, or am I mistaken?) would further cement herself to Kurt and his success. I would love if Joe would elaborate a little more on this conversation with Kurt. Did Kurt bring up divorce to him just the one time, or several times? Was he passive and speaking out of fleeting frustration, like he may leave room for reconciliation, or was he fully committed to ending things between them? Because so many argue they weren’t _really_ headed for divorce (despite Courtney on tape saying he talked about it), it’s always nice to have these kind of details corroborated. Forever grateful to Joe, and wish I could personally thank him for speaking up. If there’s a way to write him, I’d love to do that.
@@PatrickOconnor-y2d Pfaff? Oh, I’m aware of the suspicious stuff surrounding her death. Not sure of its’ validity, but Courtney is quoted as accusing Kristen of making eyes at Kurt. Wonder if that’s just Courtney’s jealousy imagining things, or if there’s any truth to it. Because I’ve also read Kristen was coming onto someone at Kurt’s funeral.
@@CAT-wg3dx yea and pages of her diary talking about Kurt around the time of his passing was ripped out never to be found, a guy Eric was apparently there, the same autopsy person who knew Courtney worked in this case , and Kristen parents thought it wasn’t self o ffing, in an interview with a woman investigator says her mom was mysteriously hit in hit and run fatality etc
This man has been preaching to us. The truth, the least we can do is agree with him. I've sent this to everyone I've known, and I've convinced almost everyone. That this is a murder. We're getting closer to the actual case being closed.
The next stage that WKK are now working on is the forensics of the case and they are working with a Forensics specialist to present a case challenge. There won't be any quick fixes and we all need to be in this for the long haul.The key thing is it is hoped the challenge, along with the new evidence documents and this statement, will lead, at least for it to be reopened and then reinvestigated. The wheels are slowly in motion now for the long journey to justice
I'm 43 and I totally get it, since the day he passed I've been waiting for the real truth, not just whatever SPD and Courtney has made up to pass Kurt of as a suicidal junkie who didn't care about his life. So sad, I totally get what your saying though😊
@Grace4_All Oh, indeed, there are many reasons it's actually embarrassing for the police tbf when it comes out officially, it was murder the police then had a hand in the copycat suicides.
Maybe, but I think the nanny said it best, that he was "driven" to do himself in. At the same time, he was hopelessly hooked on H, despondent over the pressure to headline Lollapalooza, and constantly arguing with Courtney.
@aisle_of_view He didn't commit suicide that is very obvious if you care to look past what courtney has said, she's the only one who mentions suicide nobody else she set him up for his money the oldest motive in the book.
The crazy thing is I noticed l, Is Tom Grant presses Courtney in phone calls that Kurt was murdered, but she never acknowledges that in any phone call, like he blatantly says, and she's deliberately dancing around it. A normal person would say " oh you thought he was murdered?" Not her she says all this weird stuff.
Personally, never thought it was any more than a mutual admiration for one another. Don't forget, Kurt had said he wished he was in Hole and he preferred them to Nirvana!
She had a bit of a crush on him, but it wasn't consummated. Their recording and touring schedules prevented them from seeing much of each other. She showed up at Frances' birthday party, but Courtney was there the whole time.
She acted like she was really in love with him at first. But I talked to him in 1993 and he told me they fought alot of the time(maybe he said all of the time, I don't remember.) He definitely said she was just using him, but he was worried about custody issues with the divorce. He didn't want her to end up with total custody and he was concerned both their drug problems would cause problems. He was really worried that he'd never be able to successfully kick heroin. He asked me what I thought about methadone. At the time, I hadn't tried it yet as a recovery method. So I told him it was kind of like trading one addiction for another. That is one of the great regrets of my life. I should have told him that methadone could save his life if he just stopped using everything else. And that he should give it a try so he'd be around for Frances Bean. I didn't know him well. Just a few casual conversations.
When I saw that pic of them on the beach, the marriage photo of them - her in the former dress of Frances Farmer, I knew it was all going to end badly. James Moreland, BiLL, M. Lavine…. The all know the truth, the darkness that vanished light.
@@RiversMorgan94 Bill, the guy that dated C.Love in ‘91 and then moved in with her and the Kid F. Bean from 2006-2008. Then he left and dated Jessica Simpson, Bill Corgan.
@@SimonDelaney1974 yeah, he captured the years of grunge like no other - a truly magnificent force in documenting that wonderful time. he had the utmost personal access to Kurt n’ Court’s private life. He created the most iconic image of the two. My heart goes out to Kurt and all his lovers that continue to have an empty hole in their heart. I’m so glad that Butch Vig’s amazing production talents led to the creation of Tad’s 8-Way Santa, another top-tier masterpiece. Kurt’s admiration of Santa made Butch his choice for producer and Nevermind being what is was, possibly the greatest masterpiece of art we will ever know. It never gets boring.
Thanks Joe ! Just a note : apparently there was a problem with Kurt's teeth and Dylan made a song wich title is " His teeth did brightly shine " in album Angels of Darkness demons of light .
@@brokenweep5604 Anniversary Boxset, eyehategod reunion performances with Pantera. I heard Dylan made a small fortune slipping the bbc guy a crisp $20 bill to feature his TaIIahassee vid in the Kurt n’ Court film. Does he exhibit a trampstamp after meeting with iIIegaI-arms dealer in mentioned vid ~ Is The Real ??
BTW: Are You allowed to say to Us at some point (if, then when?) what SPD told Joe about His testimony? Was it enough to potentially re-open the case or what?
@@gutekzpoligonu we have not received any updates about the case challenge as of yet. We've also sent them follow letters. We have spoken to the city attorneys office, South precinct, the mayora office, and king county prosecutors and they all say the same thing. We need to speak with headquarters. HQ has been closed for close to a month to the public. The interim chief is not taking appointments. They're severely understaffed and unfortunately the Cobain case will not be at the top of their list of priorities. It's going to be a long, uphill battle but we are determined to see it though.
That’s cheapens him. Anyone with half a brain can see he was in love with who he thought she was. He loved the art she made and assumed she was just like him and he found someone that shared the values as him. Little did he know she mimicked most his personality like narcissists do. The drugs was just a bonus. Dude just wanted to relate and fit in somewhere for once. It broke his heart when he figured her out. The person everyone should be suspicious of most is Dave grohl. He has always been fake and Kurt actively let him know he hated him. The last year of his life that is and had everyone looking for a new drummer more fitting with his and krist outlook on life. Dave was a jock pretending to be a punk. Wanted attention and 🐱. Everything Kurt was not. Dave is always on and manipulating this nice guy persona. Like almost all of them do. But they care for nobody just attention they can get. Nice guy narcissist and they’re everywhere and all act the same. Ever notice he’s always got to be Doing something stupid like a class clown like 24/7 even when others are talking he has to but in or already onstage now he’s acting stupid or drining s beer with his teeth. Dudes insufferable asf. If Kurt was deleted he had every thing to gain and may not have even been Courtney completely. She’s exactly who everyone would assume. Just something to ponder yet nobody does. All because they love the most vanilla hack rock band of all time. Foo
@@thisisshaun1 Kurt had to have been in a drug daze to get married. She is dominant and pushed the course of their future in every way. His lovers before then were all kind &/or fun beautiful women. It still bothers me that there’s the false narrative about Kurt n’ a ‘tard gal in that MontageHeck movie. My stomach twisted into a knot when I finally watched that pathetic film.
@@cristiangaban960 yes we would have. The point is to track down and speak to every lead. Had this turned into a dead end we would have absolutely tried to better his situation. The fact of the matter is that Joe should've been tracked down and spoken to 30 years ago.
The only way to pin a redrum suspect to Kurt is to determine who else knew where the secret compartment was in the bedroom - AND what was in it. Court didn't know Kurt had the newly acquired Remington until Dylan told her.
I do believe this guy , but am unsure about Chris todd saying he believes Tom grant seen the body before was found. I also think a defence lawyer would rip him to shreds.
Todd is a complete fantasist and grifter who rips off other's work, claims credit and then inserts his own wrong 'facts. about cases. One cannot take what he says seriously at all!
@@pcaruso1987 Tom has refused to follow this lead for years. Tom was made aware of Joe and Bonnie's being at the house during the time in questions and never questioned them. We also approached Tom a few months ago with this information and he said he didn't wish to be involved and that he was focused on his book with Neil Low. Now for no reason whatsoever Tom is actively campaigning against Joe's statement.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg i mean this is a person who has taken money from courtney. who has been hired by courtney, did business with courtney. he's almost as bad as every other person courtney paid off.
kurt's best friend was dylan. dylan was the singer of a band called earth. joe was the drummer of earth at one point. he became friends with kurt too. this entire channel is joe revealing what actually happened to kurt.
This is Joe Burns, who knew Kurt. Joe was a drummer with his band Aspirin Feast, whom Kurt was a fan of. Joe was also friends with Dylan C and sometimes played with his band Earth. Joe met Kurt via Dylan. Joe was also a tattoo artist and Kurt used to hang round at his place. He was also the person Kurt called if he needed to get away from CL.
Seems to me possibly a talented musician who got caught up in the "scene" & was/is extraordinarily affected by death of Kurt Cobain. Many may agree drug usage controls & kills many people. Humanity is also subject to realities we can't see, so we don't know everything that seeks control.
@@DCtouring The only Joe I see in Earth is Joe Preston of the legendary Melvinz solo album fame. Maybe Dylan has been vigorously updating his Wikipedia again to remove Joe from his past.
this guy is extremely hard to listen to talk. He can’t even form a full sentence. Not speaking ill on him as if this is credible information it’s very important but nonetheless super hard to hear or make out what he’s trying to say
@@i2ottenBannana oh I forgot. He wrote a song and gave it a name for a reaction and that must be concrete proof that he off'd himself. Have you ever caught the numerous times that Kurt has talked about his lyrics. How they're just lyrics and people take them too literally.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg it wasn’t just his lyrics or song name tard he was very unhappy lol he wasn’t murdered by Courtney leave that woman alone yeah she sucks and had he never met her he probably wouldn’t have died but that’s not what happened and he’s gone just leave it alone
Protect this guy.
Thank you for everything Joe, your testimony has healed a part of me I never thought would.
@@FlummoxedCartwright Hasn't what? Even if no one is found guilty, I personally have relief knowing what really happened. A conviction is just icing on the cake at this point for me. I completely can understand if you still feel upset by the whole thing, I hope it goes all the way personally myself, but his testimony has helped me for the time being. Kurts death really hurt me growing up.
@@FlummoxedCartwright Objection.
I see where you're coming from, but I've met former dope addicts, and have used myself before. The guy has had a hard life. Also he isnt facing camera because he said in another interview that the camera was blinding him. He, despite what people have said, is not on dope in the interview, he is a former addict, it leaves a permanent effect on some users, for chrissake he lost his arm. I can tell when people are high on dope, this guy was not.
He was also promised 375$ for the interview, and was never paid for it. Courtney Love has also admitted in a recorded phone call with a private investigator that was paid to find Kurt she knows who Joe Burns is and said his full name, this was during the time Love was looking for Kurt, so Courtney knew about Joe Burns and also that he was friends with Kurt, they were both from bands, and both did heroin.
Criticizing him for his speech patterns isnt fair to him, and no reason not to believe him. Chris Todd is an investigative journalist who vouches for the guys credibility, what he says adds up to other facts about the case that he wouldnt have known otherwise, his testimony fits the narrative perfect. Kurt didnt commit suicide, Kurt was murdered, and I wont be convinced otherwise.
Why would kurt be holding a gun with no fingerprints on it, no prints on the pen stabbed in the 'suicide' note, which Chris Todd paid a hand writing forensic specialist, who sent back a 30 some page report stating that the last lines of it were not Kurts handwriting. Someone turned his letter to fans saying he is ending Nirvana, turning it into a suicide note.
Also why would Kurt kill himself and tell his daughter Francis that she would be "better off' without him alive? That makes no sense... No child deserves to grow up without knowing their parents, that is cruel, and Kurt loved Francis alot. Kurt was only better off dead than alive because he made Courtney several hundred million dollars when he died...I could go on and on, and from your comment I dont think you have been keeping up with just how many inconsistencies there are in the "suicide" narrative. The guy who shot him even bought the Gun in his own name, DYLAN, and put the receipt in Kurts pocket... none of it makes sense.
@@FlummoxedCartwright I wrote a detailed reply, and somehow it disappeared... I stand by the testimonies. Stop trying to convince me he killed himself. The crime scene was 100% staged, no fingerprints= wiped finger prints, a forged suicide note with a 30 page forensic specialist proving the end was forged. The receipt for the gun is in his pocket was bought in someone elses name, Dylan, the guy who shot him. None of the crime scene makes sense. Courtney admitted in a recorded phone call that she knew Joe Burns by name, that he might be hanging out with Kurt, and this was when she was looking for Kurt, before he died... There are too many plot holes in the suicide narrative because it was a lie. Kurt was murdered, and all of us here believe it. You're wasting your time here dude.
@@FlummoxedCartwright Joe Burns said in another interview he was not on dope in the interview, he is a recovering addict, Chris Todd says he is credible as a witness, and he was being blinded by the studio lighting on his right, thats why hes always looking down. Drug addiction takes a toll on your life and can deteriorate your mind and body, he even lost his arm, thats why he talks like he does, and that makes him no less credible, that is a very weak reason not to believe a man's words. If Courtney mentioned his name in a recorded phone call the week of his death, why do you think he isnt a credible witness, he isnt only friends with kurt, in a band and a user, he was there when it happened. Joe was also never paid $375 he was promised for this interview either, and is risking his life sharing this testimony, and I think it's disrespectful to discredit him over such a weak reason, especially knowing Kurt was also a user like him. If Kurt was indeed murdered, LIKE THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS, then maintaining that he offed himself would not be dignifying his life. We want to know the Truth here, and if the facts dont add up, something isnt right. This is the only narrative I've ever heard where everything adds up.
If you have a problem with that, I'd suggest you not comment about it, because some of us want to know what really happened and refuse to accept the old narrative. Courtney STINKS of guilt, and that's been known for over 30 years now. Maybe you should spend your time doing something else than trying to convince people to stop investigating Kurts Murder, something that was NEVER INVESTIGATED BY THE SEATTLE POLICE. It was an open shut case, Kurt was never given justice, but now the truth is coming forward.
@@FlummoxedCartwright what you just said made no sense! If it IS True, IT IS TRUE. Period. Kurt was murdered. There is no other way of going about this, Joe is a witness, and he gave a testimony, what more do you want from him? Please leave me alone. You're not even making sense now. In any court of law to reach real justice, you have to put together all the facts so it plays out, with motives and timelines and names etc. The only person sorely mistaken is you. Buzz off
Thank you Joe ❤️🔥
I hope the SPD reopens this case and winds up putting Courtney, Dylan, Callie, and The Creeper behind bars where they belong.
I would absolutely love to see that happen as well.
However, the Seattle PD made SO many major mistakes, mishandled evidence, didn’t treat the home as a crime scene, etc. that they would need a full detailed and signed confession from someone deemed mentally fit by a court approved psychologist in order to secure a conviction at this point.
@@jaymiller6009 i have always known that Kurt didn’t commit suicide things aren’t adding up he was definitely murdered
Who's "The Creeper"? Erik?
These people are just executors, but Im afraid the main customer of the murder will be in the shadow as always . Cruel reality of influent elite
Alongside those officers, those who are still with us, who made such a cock up of the case and didn't even enable the correct protocols at the scene!
I was reading Michael Azzarads Come as you are when Kurt was pronounced dead. It seemed surreal and since then I've always wondered what really happened. Its been a long time and Kudos to Joe for bringing truth to light 🕯️
You're an honest gentleman and a scholar letting people know the truth about what happened you got courage. That's what a real man does. The truth has to come out
This only confirms the impression I’ve long had of Courtney as trying to wedge herself into Kurt’s life for personal gain; offering and controlling him and others with whatever excess she could to maintain her place. Getting pregnant so early into their relationship (hadn’t they only known each other a few months, or am I mistaken?) would further cement herself to Kurt and his success.
I would love if Joe would elaborate a little more on this conversation with Kurt.
Did Kurt bring up divorce to him just the one time, or several times? Was he passive and speaking out of fleeting frustration, like he may leave room for reconciliation, or was he fully committed to ending things between them?
Because so many argue they weren’t _really_ headed for divorce (despite Courtney on tape saying he talked about it), it’s always nice to have these kind of details corroborated.
Forever grateful to Joe, and wish I could personally thank him for speaking up. If there’s a way to write him, I’d love to do that.
Crazier story is she did the same thing to Kristen her guitar player, look into it !
@@PatrickOconnor-y2d Pfaff? Oh, I’m aware of the suspicious stuff surrounding her death. Not sure of its’ validity, but Courtney is quoted as accusing Kristen of making eyes at Kurt. Wonder if that’s just Courtney’s jealousy imagining things, or if there’s any truth to it. Because I’ve also read Kristen was coming onto someone at Kurt’s funeral.
@@PatrickOconnor-y2d- Wouldn’t be at all surprising.
@@CAT-wg3dxit was Mark Lanegan
@@CAT-wg3dx yea and pages of her diary talking about Kurt around the time of his passing was ripped out never to be found, a guy Eric was apparently there, the same autopsy person who knew Courtney worked in this case , and Kristen parents thought it wasn’t self o ffing, in an interview with a woman investigator says her mom was mysteriously hit in hit and run fatality etc
This man has been preaching to us. The truth, the least we can do is agree with him. I've sent this to everyone I've known, and I've convinced almost everyone. That this is a murder. We're getting closer to the actual case being closed.
Im afraid , the main customer will not be punished as always. Too rich, too influent
The next stage that WKK are now working on is the forensics of the case and they are working with a Forensics specialist to present a case challenge. There won't be any quick fixes and we all need to be in this for the long haul.The key thing is it is hoped the challenge, along with the new evidence documents and this statement, will lead, at least for it to be reopened and then reinvestigated.
The wheels are slowly in motion now for the long journey to justice
Yep
Thank you for posting this. And a big shout out to Joe for his statements.
This man has spoken the truth about what had happend. Something i'd never thought i would hear in my life, and i'm only 14.
I'm 43 and I totally get it, since the day he passed I've been waiting for the real truth, not just whatever SPD and Courtney has made up to pass Kurt of as a suicidal junkie who didn't care about his life. So sad, I totally get what your saying though😊
@@cristiangaban960 i just believe it is
The divorce was the very reason he was murdered.
More than that. 8 junkies getting dope sick. You can get them to do anything
@Grace4_All Oh, indeed, there are many reasons it's actually embarrassing for the police tbf when it comes out officially, it was murder the police then had a hand in the copycat suicides.
Maybe, but I think the nanny said it best, that he was "driven" to do himself in. At the same time, he was hopelessly hooked on H, despondent over the pressure to headline Lollapalooza, and constantly arguing with Courtney.
@aisle_of_view He didn't commit suicide that is very obvious if you care to look past what courtney has said, she's the only one who mentions suicide nobody else she set him up for his money the oldest motive in the book.
Thank you
The crazy thing is I noticed l, Is Tom Grant presses Courtney in phone calls that Kurt was murdered, but she never acknowledges that in any phone call, like he blatantly says, and she's deliberately dancing around it. A normal person would say " oh you thought he was murdered?" Not her she says all this weird stuff.
Thank you very much , Joe.
It will be interesting what he know about releashionship between Kurt and Kristen Pfaff
Personally, never thought it was any more than a mutual admiration for one another. Don't forget, Kurt had said he wished he was in Hole and he preferred them to Nirvana!
She had a bit of a crush on him, but it wasn't consummated. Their recording and touring schedules prevented them from seeing much of each other. She showed up at Frances' birthday party, but Courtney was there the whole time.
@@aisle_of_view i have heard they loved to talk , could do it during many hours and worked on music for the second hole's albom together.
Keep it coming! Thank you, Joe & all involved in getting justice for Kurt. You're amazing!! 👏
Looking forward to hearing from Joe.
She acted like she was really in love with him at first. But I talked to him in 1993 and he told me they fought alot of the time(maybe he said all of the time, I don't remember.) He definitely said she was just using him, but he was worried about custody issues with the divorce. He didn't want her to end up with total custody and he was concerned both their drug problems would cause problems. He was really worried that he'd never be able to successfully kick heroin. He asked me what I thought about methadone. At the time, I hadn't tried it yet as a recovery method. So I told him it was kind of like trading one addiction for another. That is one of the great regrets of my life. I should have told him that methadone could save his life if he just stopped using everything else. And that he should give it a try so he'd be around for Frances Bean. I didn't know him well. Just a few casual conversations.
@@rogergriffin9893 hey Rodger! We'd love to hear more about your personal experience with Kurt!
He was on methadone for the Australian tour, they prescribed it to him, although it went by a different name in Aus.
Its not a terrible thing to say, because its the truth.
When I saw that pic of them on the beach, the marriage photo of them - her in the former dress of Frances Farmer, I knew it was all going to end badly. James Moreland, BiLL, M. Lavine…. The all know the truth, the darkness that vanished light.
who is bill?
@@LEMMY.WlNKKS Michael Lavine? The photographer?
@@RiversMorgan94 Bill, the guy that dated C.Love in ‘91 and then moved in with her and the Kid F. Bean from 2006-2008. Then he left and dated Jessica Simpson, Bill Corgan.
@@SimonDelaney1974 yeah, he captured the years of grunge like no other - a truly magnificent force in documenting that wonderful time. he had the utmost personal access to Kurt n’ Court’s private life. He created the most iconic image of the two. My heart goes out to Kurt and all his lovers that continue to have an empty hole in their heart. I’m so glad that Butch Vig’s amazing production talents led to the creation of Tad’s 8-Way Santa, another top-tier masterpiece. Kurt’s admiration of Santa made Butch his choice for producer and Nevermind being what is was, possibly the greatest masterpiece of art we will ever know. It never gets boring.
@@LEMMY.WlNKKS did Michael Lavine not have a good opinion of her? I agree those people all produced legendary work.
❤ to you Joe !! Kurts Hero. bravo sir. Thank you so much.
I think there are people who know exactly what happened and sooner or later we will hear the truth
@@NigelOcconel they already are talking?
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg it’s just a feeling
Thanks Joe ! Just a note : apparently there was a problem with Kurt's teeth and Dylan made a song wich title is " His teeth did brightly shine " in album Angels of Darkness demons of light .
More "evidence" 😂
2024 is where all comes out but why this year
@@brokenweep5604
Anniversary Boxset, eyehategod reunion performances with Pantera. I heard Dylan made a small fortune slipping the bbc guy a crisp $20 bill to feature his TaIIahassee vid in the Kurt n’ Court film. Does he exhibit a trampstamp after meeting with iIIegaI-arms dealer in mentioned vid ~ Is The Real ??
Thank goodness for this. It is so important
Brave man Joe much ❤and respect brother in arms ❤😅😊 justice for kirt 🎉❤😮😊
BTW: Are You allowed to say to Us at some point (if, then when?) what SPD told Joe about His testimony? Was it enough to potentially re-open the case or what?
@@gutekzpoligonu we have not received any updates about the case challenge as of yet. We've also sent them follow letters. We have spoken to the city attorneys office, South precinct, the mayora office, and king county prosecutors and they all say the same thing. We need to speak with headquarters. HQ has been closed for close to a month to the public. The interim chief is not taking appointments. They're severely understaffed and unfortunately the Cobain case will not be at the top of their list of priorities. It's going to be a long, uphill battle but we are determined to see it though.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Thank You for the anwser!
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Please protect Joe .... ❤️
We have known about that divorce for 30 years, thanks to Tom Grant, who recorded courtney love and rosemary carrolls talking about the divorce
I always thought Kurt basically married his drug buddy.
She enabled his heroin addiction 100%. To top off the fact she was more than just a supplier, and had her hands in tons of pockets
Basically that’s what it was.
That’s cheapens him. Anyone with half a brain can see he was in love with who he thought she was. He loved the art she made and assumed she was just like him and he found someone that shared the values as him. Little did he know she mimicked most his personality like narcissists do. The drugs was just a bonus. Dude just wanted to relate and fit in somewhere for once. It broke his heart when he figured her out. The person everyone should be suspicious of most is Dave grohl. He has always been fake and Kurt actively let him know he hated him. The last year of his life that is and had everyone looking for a new drummer more fitting with his and krist outlook on life. Dave was a jock pretending to be a punk. Wanted attention and 🐱. Everything Kurt was not. Dave is always on and manipulating this nice guy persona. Like almost all of them do. But they care for nobody just attention they can get. Nice guy narcissist and they’re everywhere and all act the same. Ever notice he’s always got to be Doing something stupid like a class clown like 24/7 even when others are talking he has to but in or already onstage now he’s acting stupid or drining s beer with his teeth. Dudes insufferable asf. If Kurt was deleted he had every thing to gain and may not have even been Courtney completely. She’s exactly who everyone would assume. Just something to ponder yet nobody does. All because they love the most vanilla hack rock band of all time. Foo
@@thisisshaun1 Kurt had to have been in a drug daze to get married. She is dominant and pushed the course of their future in every way. His lovers before then were all kind &/or fun beautiful women. It still bothers me that there’s the false narrative about Kurt n’ a ‘tard gal in that MontageHeck movie. My stomach twisted into a knot when I finally watched that pathetic film.
Kurt should have stayed with Tracy.
I hope this channel throws some bread at Joe and helps him out.
They have been giving him some types of help - practical and otherwise.
they help him pay his phone bill, food and other basic things. They also gave him $1700.00
@@cristiangaban960 yes we would have. The point is to track down and speak to every lead. Had this turned into a dead end we would have absolutely tried to better his situation. The fact of the matter is that Joe should've been tracked down and spoken to 30 years ago.
@@cristiangaban960 okay that's you're right. Why are you still here then?
thank you man
The moment that he made an extremely fatal mistake that took his life away
The only way to pin a redrum suspect to Kurt is to determine who else knew where the secret compartment was in the bedroom - AND what was in it. Court didn't know Kurt had the newly acquired Remington until Dylan told her.
Where’s any evidence that Kurt had the gun?
I believe everything this man says justice for Kurt is coming !
I do believe this guy , but am unsure about Chris todd saying he believes Tom grant seen the body before was found. I also think a defence lawyer would rip him to shreds.
Todd is a complete fantasist and grifter who rips off other's work, claims credit and then inserts his own wrong 'facts. about cases. One cannot take what he says seriously at all!
There is another youtuber that makes fun of Joe!! Joe seemed like he was Kurt's best interest of being a friend
Sadly there's a few! They are to be ignored and pitied. Some of it is jealousy of course at wahr WKK are doing.
Ya he may be fried from heroin but he's not a bad guy and he's putting the truth out there. Which could cost him his life.
Spy fox is putting all the attention on Chris Todd but Chris Todd broke the story. Don't hate
Did Kurt ever went to see The Piano?
Did Joe ever talk to Tom Grant?
tom doesn't like joe he refuses to talk to him
@@pcaruso1987 Tom has refused to follow this lead for years. Tom was made aware of Joe and Bonnie's being at the house during the time in questions and never questioned them. We also approached Tom a few months ago with this information and he said he didn't wish to be involved and that he was focused on his book with Neil Low. Now for no reason whatsoever Tom is actively campaigning against Joe's statement.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg tom's been hired to muddy the waters since 94
@@stephenkane2464 there seems to be something else at play. I'm not exactly sure what the issue is.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg i mean this is a person who has taken money from courtney. who has been hired by courtney, did business with courtney. he's almost as bad as every other person courtney paid off.
Kurt never told Dylan about divorce was Dylan lying or they wasn't best friends
Dylan lied about a lot of stuff. He is a pathological liar as well. He lied about not seeing Kurt after Exodus. He was CL’s little gopher goon
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You know you're right 🤮
nothing really bothers Her
She only wants to LOVE Herself.
Courtney LOVE, Herself...
Who is this guy?
kurt's best friend was dylan. dylan was the singer of a band called earth. joe was the drummer of earth at one point. he became friends with kurt too. this entire channel is joe revealing what actually happened to kurt.
This is Joe Burns, who knew Kurt. Joe was a drummer with his band Aspirin Feast, whom Kurt was a fan of. Joe was also friends with Dylan C and sometimes played with his band Earth. Joe met Kurt via Dylan. Joe was also a tattoo artist and Kurt used to hang round at his place. He was also the person Kurt called if he needed to get away from CL.
Seems to me possibly a talented musician who got caught up in the "scene" & was/is extraordinarily affected by death of Kurt Cobain. Many may agree drug usage controls & kills many people. Humanity is also subject to realities we can't see, so we don't know everything that seeks control.
@@DCtouring The only Joe I see in Earth is Joe Preston of the legendary Melvinz solo album fame. Maybe Dylan has been vigorously updating his Wikipedia again to remove Joe from his past.
Who’s Joe?
@@xWESTICLESx Joe Burns from the band Aspirin Feast and he also played percussion for Dylan Carlson's band Earth.
SPD won't touch this case. It's going to have to go in another direction and i have no clue what direction. courtney has become too powerful
He doesn't say much
Again, who profited!?
Murdered one of the best songwriters...so it would seem
this guy is extremely hard to listen to talk. He can’t even form a full sentence. Not speaking ill on him as if this is credible information it’s very important but nonetheless super hard to hear or make out what he’s trying to say
Turn on the closed caption, it helps.
His stories are sort of separated & intertwined, sometimes.
How can we trust this guy?
He has no reason to lie. He’s clearly at the end of his life and probably looking to clear his conscience
he was Dylan Carlsons drummer from Earth in early 90’s and Kurts friend
i dig his white nationalist tat
Ah yes I forgot he had a song called I love myself and I wanna live but I was murdered instead
@@i2ottenBannana oh I forgot. He wrote a song and gave it a name for a reaction and that must be concrete proof that he off'd himself. Have you ever caught the numerous times that Kurt has talked about his lyrics. How they're just lyrics and people take them too literally.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg it wasn’t just his lyrics or song name tard he was very unhappy lol he wasn’t murdered by Courtney leave that woman alone yeah she sucks and had he never met her he probably wouldn’t have died but that’s not what happened and he’s gone just leave it alone
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg some of the best poetics of all time, sell the kidz for food ~ it happens every day
He almost died in at leadt 4 other known incidents of od. He killed himself move on
Joe who ?
Here is a hint , the killers enitials are KC