As much as I love Dan I think his mixing is a bit dated. Producers like Zakk Cervini (Bad Omens, Bring Me The Horizon) are way more relevant but he doesn't have any mixing tutorials anywhere on TH-cam. The producer who's mastered that sound though and literally his mixes are equally good is Nick Mavromatis. He also break downs a lot of Mick Gordon's trick on synths and guitars. You can listen to his work on bands like October Ends. You'll find all of his tutorials here on TH-cam.
Dan has no doubt done an amazing job producing and arranging this but I agree the final mix doesn't sound very good when I compare it to the bands you mentioned.
You literally just mentioned all of my current favourite producers. But sadly only one of them, Nick has a TH-cam channel where he uploads stuff of that kind. Would recommend everyone to check him out
When it comes to the "Mick Gordon sound" I'd say check out Nick Broomhall for the guitar stuff and Nick Mavromatis for the synth stuff and overall production.
Dan is really cool -- he simultaneously quite precise and calculated and in the moment experimental -- "why did I put that limiter on the vocal? oh fuck it. It sounds good so go with it."
Looking forward to watching this, I worked with Dan once before many years ago and seen him in action first hand! I've already picked up some cool tricks and techniques in the KAK so no doubt there's gonna be some more gems in this course too! 🤘
What a great video!!!! Really helping to expose the different elements going on in these types of productions!!!!! Luv the fact that Dan said even the best mixers question their mixes! And the end of day listen in the car mix!!! Again! Thanks for this super informative video!!
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I've finished watching it you can tell he's passionate about what he does! Very inspiring!
Anyone can explain anything, but presenting in such a passionate way, _that's_ how you teach the right way. He's got me excited to try some of these techniques
Yeah but we’re you able to replicate what was done in this video ? I’m not here be for the passion or enthusiasm I want to get shit done not fluff around
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@@noompsieOG yeah you can if you want, he shows how he did everything. I did my own stuff because in the Kult people show how and why they do stuff, which is key to understand their their move. So you can copy paste settings is you want to, but you can also go deeper in their vision. Have fun \m/
Of the highest standard.. As a fan of UK metalcore act Bury Tomorrow, I disagree with that profusely. Genuinely believe his work on those albums are three of the worst produced and mastered I've ever heard in 28 years of actively listening to music.
Amazing dude! Can really recommend this course for anyone who wants to dive into the whole modern metal mix and want a different approach than the typical „periphery“ style :)
Oh fuck Dan Weller is my actual hero. SikTh have been one of the biggest influences on my guitar playing since god knows when and his quest towards self awareness reminds me of my own. Really enjoyed what he had to say on his appearance on the URM podcast.
@Kohlekeller Studio indeed. Sikth, and meshuggah were some of the first. And they were absolutely incredible live. Just gotta convince Dan foord (the drummer) to come into the studios
Crazy video, you should call Tyler Smyth who mixed "I prevail" and "falling in reverse" and sounds great in modern metal, I would love to see his mixing techniques.
@@mattelder4269I know, I've seen it before it's really cool, but it's a bit old I think. Today with "falling in reverse" and "i prevail" it sounds much different the guitars and the bat are much more modern, and I think it would be amazing to find a new more recent masterclass from Tyler.
@@minotrax8492 100% agree with wanting to really see a new I Prevail one. I watched the bless the fall one and I thought it would be this insane thing. Just basic stuff that anyone would do. His ear is just incredible, though. Same with Zakk Cervini, Tyler Smyth and Wzrd bld. Best in the game, imo. I doubt his approach would be that different but who knows. Let me know if you come across anything like that. Cheers!
@@mattelder4269 Yeah no problem, I think that between the years he had to learn some very interesting techniques and it's getting along well. For me Tyler has the best sound quality in modern metal, especially with the last I prevail album that came out for me it finished me off haha. I was able to get Tyler on instagram though but it's pretty rare and I know he still uses Helix native for his guitars but I think he does it in a different way.
Enjoy! You might wanna think about getting the quarterly membership instead. 20 bucks more and it includes our whole world of courses and multitracks 😇
Not a fan of their style of music, but my respect for the production and mixing....I'm impressed and excited. I can't wait to dive in with these tips. Thank you!
Hell yeah I impulse bought Oxford Drum Gate for £35 a few months ago for when i started working with bands, that time has now come and its gone back up to £200 now booyah.
This was amazing and very informative! I’m wondering if anyone can elaborate on the “widener” that Dan referred to on the backing vocals. What was he using or doing to achieve that widening effect? Thanks for the video!!
Retains the original vocal and pans it to one side then pans a micro-delayed version to the opposite side. Panning is usually 70% to 100% and delayed side is around 10 to 40 milliseconds.
If you want good strings, get yourself Ernie Ball Cobalt series. These have insane dynamic range and will cut through mix like a hot knife through butter.
Don't worry so much about particular brands of strings. The type of cable is even more of a laughable matter. Focus on writing good non-generic songs. That's what catches the listener's ear.
I completely agree with you brother! I believe he’s referring to studio production in terms of producing exceptional audio quality perhaps. Which in theory is different from song writing. In terms you are correct that song writing is very important. However he’s referring to a completely different process in the production stage. 🙌🏾
I’m writing and recording on my “mobile rig”, where everything in my whole setup is pretty budget based. Even using one guitar cable that came with one of my Ibanez’s…😂 not because I prefer it, but because life Happened and I’ve had to start over many times. Point being, if you have the know how, you can mix great music as long as you know what you’re doing and why. A good producer/engineer would be able to make a squire strat sound like a high end Jackson…but he can’t make a shitty guitarist play like a good one. It’s all in the hands, mostly. Not debating what anyone was saying, just expressing how gear really isn’t that important. A good producer could make a quality recording in any environment with almost any type of equipment.
Absolutely brilliant video! I would be interested to know which VST plugin you used for all the electronic part (16:01). Would be great if you could also do a tutorial on how to create such sounds. :) Best regards from Austria
That song sounds dope! I don’t know the benefit of using 5 or 6 different compressors on a single track ? Maybe the different compressors have some colors to them, but under the hood every compressor and even multiband compressors does the same thing: it’s a volume driven automatic fader. There is no magic or more than one way to do that. In a few books I read about engineering they all said not to compress one signal more than once in the mix. Later in the mastering there will be a final compression/limiting on the track or the master. So, I was told not to compress more than two times in total. It’s the same with other tools. Normally one would use one or two rooms for reverb and one or two EQs and no more than one overdrive/distortion for guitar. All some interesting stuff though. Good video!
Great advice. I tend to use a lot of these techniques as well and found this all very helpful. I got some mixes on my channel if anyone wants to check it out 🤘
The hardest part I run into on mixing is getting guitars and drums to sit right. But then there’s parts the bass is what I want heard and felt that I hate trying to get to sound right.
Very bizarre to see a pair of Audeze headphones in a professional studio context. They're marketed to hifi enthusiasts, not recording engineers, and they're always voiced weirdly
kick snare only no mention replace triggers cymbals 2 plugins showed on snare. how to get massive metal sound eeeehh we couldnt see duhhh he is getting the sound we didnt see that. lol
This is a good example of how to NOT mix your songs. Honestly I listened to that song when it came out, and the only part that sounded good was the synths intro. Honestly not being hateful at all, I was like how bands with such big budgets and big Spotify numbers have such bad production. And the main reason I was upset about it was because I really like Caskets. Sorry to say all of that, just being totally honest and I don't think this guy should be teaching other people how to mix.
Not sure about taking a masterclass from the guy who produced the last three Bury Tomorrow albums. Honestly? I hope The Seventh Sun is the last with Dan. I hoped Black Flame (their first with him) would be their last with him. How three of the worst produced / mastered albums in modern metal come from this one producer is baffling to me. Especially when unassociated companies could come out and say anything he does could be confused with mastery. Enter Shikari lost 90% of what made them interesting and Dan not only gets praise for those albums but critical recognition. Not from reviewers overly familiar with their back catalogue, mind you. Or reviewers who even remotely enjoyed what made Enter Shikari a popular band in the first place.
Nope. I have never had full courses on the channel and I have always only shown longer segments. But instead of complaining I‘d recommend to enjoy thirty minutes of watching one of the best guys in the business mixing a song! I would have killed for this when I started out! 🤘🤣
@@KohleAudioKult yes you did .. that is so untrue! You use to show us how to make snare one shot and then give us the sample . You used to show us how to blend different amp sims to get a dirtier sound . You used to show us how to seperate frequencies in tracks ! Make a kick one shot and share it with everyone. You showed us a lot of things without referring us to going and buying a course video. AND I'M DEFINITELY TELLING THE TRUTH.. Theirs tons of things I learned here AND I FOLLOWED YOU FROM THE BEGINNING. But you will just let it slide and let other people try to make me look foolish but I know and YOU KNOW IM TELLING THE TRUTH. SHAME ON YOU FOR TOTALLY DISAGREEING WITH ME AND LETTING THESE PEOPLE GET ON ME LIKE THIS.. I HOPE OTHER PEOPLE READ THIS CAUSE THEY KNOW THE TRUTH ALSO.. I MAY BE SOMEWHAT WRONG BUT SO ARE YOU. SO ARE YOU.
at the beginning he said he couldn't impart his vast knowledge in just one day.... he's prolly right - I'm 10 minutes in and haven't learned a fucking thing
maybe it's due to the fact that you're just in another place with your skillset? Not to sound judgemental or rude but ..there's good stuff to take away from this video, but I think if you watch this 10 min video with the intention of learning how to mix from point A to Z then ..you're sorta wrong :)
@@AhmetWinchester go watch MusicTechHelpGuy - I have to rewatch every one of his vids because he packs in so much teaching. This dude is just endorsing plugins and offering some inspiration - this is a waste of time (IMO)
As much as I love Dan I think his mixing is a bit dated. Producers like Zakk Cervini (Bad Omens, Bring Me The Horizon) are way more relevant but he doesn't have any mixing tutorials anywhere on TH-cam. The producer who's mastered that sound though and literally his mixes are equally good is Nick Mavromatis. He also break downs a lot of Mick Gordon's trick on synths and guitars. You can listen to his work on bands like October Ends. You'll find all of his tutorials here on TH-cam.
Dan has no doubt done an amazing job producing and arranging this but I agree the final mix doesn't sound very good when I compare it to the bands you mentioned.
You literally just mentioned all of my current favourite producers. But sadly only one of them, Nick has a TH-cam channel where he uploads stuff of that kind. Would recommend everyone to check him out
When it comes to the "Mick Gordon sound" I'd say check out Nick Broomhall for the guitar stuff and Nick Mavromatis for the synth stuff and overall production.
You listed shit bands
Dan worked on our last 2 singles and he's an absolute genius, so excited to watch this!
Absolutely AMAZING!! Very exciting indeed!
Dan is really cool -- he simultaneously quite precise and calculated and in the moment experimental -- "why did I put that limiter on the vocal? oh fuck it. It sounds good so go with it."
He’s a great teacher! Most producers aren’t 🤓🤪
You have to love Dan, such a legend. Sikth were so way ahead back then..
Thank you for all you do and taking time to give helpful advice!
26:00 is solid gold. We're all human, and we beat our heads into the wall the same way.
Looking forward to watching this, I worked with Dan once before many years ago and seen him in action first hand! I've already picked up some cool tricks and techniques in the KAK so no doubt there's gonna be some more gems in this course too! 🤘
What a great video!!!! Really helping to expose the different elements going on in these types of productions!!!!! Luv the fact that Dan said even the best mixers question their mixes! And the end of day listen in the car mix!!! Again! Thanks for this super informative video!!
I've finished watching it you can tell he's passionate about what he does! Very inspiring!
Exactly! And that’s one of the keys for great sounding mixes.
In sleep bad when my mixes don’t sound like I want them to!
Anyone can explain anything, but presenting in such a passionate way, _that's_ how you teach the right way. He's got me excited to try some of these techniques
Yeah but we’re you able to replicate what was done in this video ? I’m not here be for the passion or enthusiasm I want to get shit done not fluff around
@@noompsieOG yeah you can if you want, he shows how he did everything.
I did my own stuff because in the Kult people show how and why they do stuff, which is key to understand their their move. So you can copy paste settings is you want to, but you can also go deeper in their vision. Have fun \m/
Dan not only knows his stuff, he has a great working mindset and his results are of the highest standard. Top engineer and bloke all round!
Of the highest standard..
As a fan of UK metalcore act Bury Tomorrow, I disagree with that profusely.
Genuinely believe his work on those albums are three of the worst produced and mastered I've ever heard in 28 years of actively listening to music.
Glad to see T-Racks getting some love! I only recently got into IK products and couldn't believe my ears. They're soooo good.
Second this! I don’t know if it’s the word t-racks putting people off. But Ik multimedia’s doing top notch plugins!
Amazing dude! Can really recommend this course for anyone who wants to dive into the whole modern metal mix and want a different approach than the typical „periphery“ style :)
Oh fuck Dan Weller is my actual hero. SikTh have been one of the biggest influences on my guitar playing since god knows when and his quest towards self awareness reminds me of my own. Really enjoyed what he had to say on his appearance on the URM podcast.
Wonderful insight
I felt really supported by this video, I needed it right now and I didn't know it! Thank you very much.
I'm sold for this one. thx for the work
Had no idea Dan was such a great and profilic producer! I just knew him from SikTh! (Awesome band, by the way!)
I think he’s one of Nolly‘s idols.
And yes, SikTh was one of the first Djent bands ever.
@@KohleAudioKult if Nolly thinks highly of him, what more do you need to know!? Hahaha
@Kohlekeller Studio indeed. Sikth, and meshuggah were some of the first. And they were absolutely incredible live. Just gotta convince Dan foord (the drummer) to come into the studios
I'm sure he co-wrote a theme tune for a kids TV show to.
Crazy video, you should call Tyler Smyth who mixed "I prevail" and "falling in reverse" and sounds great in modern metal, I would love to see his mixing techniques.
I’ll hunt him down! 🤘
Hey, if you have nail the mix you can buy the Bless the fall session Tyler Smith did.
@@mattelder4269I know, I've seen it before it's really cool, but it's a bit old I think. Today with "falling in reverse" and "i prevail" it sounds much different the guitars and the bat are much more modern, and I think it would be amazing to find a new more recent masterclass from Tyler.
@@minotrax8492 100% agree with wanting to really see a new I Prevail one. I watched the bless the fall one and I thought it would be this insane thing. Just basic stuff that anyone would do. His ear is just incredible, though. Same with Zakk Cervini, Tyler Smyth and Wzrd bld. Best in the game, imo. I doubt his approach would be that different but who knows. Let me know if you come across anything like that. Cheers!
@@mattelder4269 Yeah no problem, I think that between the years he had to learn some very interesting techniques and it's getting along well. For me Tyler has the best sound quality in modern metal, especially with the last I prevail album that came out for me it finished me off haha. I was able to get Tyler on instagram though but it's pretty rare and I know he still uses Helix native for his guitars but I think he does it in a different way.
Been watching you for awhile but this video made me a subscriber. Amazing insights from Dan.
Welcome! Male sure to check out the entire course!
Marvellous. Gonna grab it. Thanks
Enjoy!
You might wanna think about getting the quarterly membership instead. 20 bucks more and it includes our whole world of courses and multitracks 😇
Sehr cool, werde ich mir die Tage mal reinziehen, perfekt um wieder reinzukommen 👍🏾
Pure fire amazing honest and so much knowledge.
Not a fan of their style of music, but my respect for the production and mixing....I'm impressed and excited. I can't wait to dive in with these tips. Thank you!
Thanks! Do yourself a favor and check out the course. It’s packed with great information for producers and mixers.
great information in this one, and not just the mixing stuff!
The whole theoretical part of this course is really unique and great for anyone who works with bands in the studio!
This was an awesome breakdown I've become a huge fan of dan and his work. but love caskets since they came on the scene.
T-racks
Dan the MAN!!!!! Pin and You are big hero's of mine, changed the way I look at my guitar and playing!!! awesome to know you are still busy!!!
This is really what I need, I joined the kult yesterday. Hope it will help improve my mixing work 🫶🔥
Welcome! Make sure to submit your future mixes for a review!
Bought the course, so far so good. But wish he went a bit more indepth into the process.
Very nice tips !
Very very nice
Super informative coming from a audio geek that watched a few million vids
Dan is fantastic! And so is the entire course
First time seeing your channel, great content! Got yourself a new sub!
Welcome! 🤘🖤
Hell yeah I impulse bought Oxford Drum Gate for £35 a few months ago for when i started working with bands, that time has now come and its gone back up to £200 now booyah.
Young guns! 😎🤘🤘🤘
This was amazing and very informative! I’m wondering if anyone can elaborate on the “widener” that Dan referred to on the backing vocals.
What was he using or doing to achieve that widening effect?
Thanks for the video!!
Just get the course and it will answer all your questions 😜
Retains the original vocal and pans it to one side then pans a micro-delayed version to the opposite side. Panning is usually 70% to 100% and delayed side is around 10 to 40 milliseconds.
If you want good strings, get yourself Ernie Ball Cobalt series. These have insane dynamic range and will cut through mix like a hot knife through butter.
Don't worry so much about particular brands of strings. The type of cable is even more of a laughable matter. Focus on writing good non-generic songs. That's what catches the listener's ear.
I completely agree with you brother! I believe he’s referring to studio production in terms of producing exceptional audio quality perhaps. Which in theory is different from song writing. In terms you are correct that song writing is very important. However he’s referring to a completely different process in the production stage. 🙌🏾
Generic is a very unambiguous term
He literally just told you that they did a shoot out
Cables are actually very important. Or so I’ve experienced
I’m writing and recording on my “mobile rig”, where everything in my whole setup is pretty budget based. Even using one guitar cable that came with one of my Ibanez’s…😂 not because I prefer it, but because life Happened and I’ve had to start over many times.
Point being, if you have the know how, you can mix great music as long as you know what you’re doing and why. A good producer/engineer would be able to make a squire strat sound like a high end Jackson…but he can’t make a shitty guitarist play like a good one. It’s all in the hands, mostly.
Not debating what anyone was saying, just expressing how gear really isn’t that important. A good producer could make a quality recording in any environment with almost any type of equipment.
Awesome vid
I love everything on this channel, and this course sounds great but holy fuck I would never wanna mix vocals with that much autotune.
I understand. You should still try though. You learn more from doing the stuff that's outside of your comfort zone musically.
Absolutely brilliant video! I would be interested to know which VST plugin you used for all the electronic part (16:01). Would be great if you could also do a tutorial on how to create such sounds. :) Best regards from Austria
Thanks! Check out the full course! This is just a snippet
Hey 😊 can anybody tell me what snare model is used in original mix? Maybe I miss heard 😊
Dan is just an awesome dude. This is great. Love it
Why do you have your Meters on Pre-fader?
That song sounds dope!
I don’t know the benefit of using 5 or 6 different compressors on a single track ? Maybe the different compressors have some colors to them, but under the hood every compressor and even multiband compressors does the same thing: it’s a volume driven automatic fader. There is no magic or more than one way to do that.
In a few books I read about engineering they all said not to compress one signal more than once in the mix. Later in the mastering there will be a final compression/limiting on the track or the master. So, I was told not to compress more than two times in total. It’s the same with other tools. Normally one would use one or two rooms for reverb and one or two EQs and no more than one overdrive/distortion for guitar.
All some interesting stuff though. Good video!
hello, not really got the trick about the multiband on snare, is it in sidechain ? or just doing something else ?
thanks
Are that real drums or VST?
What did you do on the bass guitar?
It's all explained in the course
I like that guy
Me too! 🥳
Great advice. I tend to use a lot of these techniques as well and found this all very helpful. I got some mixes on my channel if anyone wants to check it out 🤘
SIKTH💣💥👍🎶🔊
The hardest part I run into on mixing is getting guitars and drums to sit right. But then there’s parts the bass is what I want heard and felt that I hate trying to get to sound right.
It’s a never ending journey 🤘🤪.
But that was one reason to start the Kult. To make it easier for everyone out there!
Automation.. top knotch producers automate a shit ton. Levels/dry+wet levels/ eq... everything.
Very bizarre to see a pair of Audeze headphones in a professional studio context. They're marketed to hifi enthusiasts, not recording engineers, and they're always voiced weirdly
Audeze headphones are fantastic and so much closer to mixing on speakers than any dynamic cans if you ask me.
Check out the Manny Marroquin Audezes!
kick snare only no mention replace triggers cymbals 2 plugins showed on snare. how to get massive metal sound eeeehh we couldnt see duhhh he is getting the sound we didnt see that. lol
It sounds so cheap and clean and uninspired to me. Give me acid bath’s tone.
One video is called WHY MODERN METAL SUCKS and another one shows how to do it 😂
It's not even metal it's all rock
This is a good example of how to NOT mix your songs. Honestly I listened to that song when it came out, and the only part that sounded good was the synths intro. Honestly not being hateful at all, I was like how bands with such big budgets and big Spotify numbers have such bad production. And the main reason I was upset about it was because I really like Caskets. Sorry to say all of that, just being totally honest and I don't think this guy should be teaching other people how to mix.
You talking about Crispy stuff right ?? No let that's crispy stuff stay in the pop ,
I think the mix is great , balanced with added weight , you don't wanna sound like everyone right
Pop and Metal are two words that don’t compute in my brain 😵💫
Never heard such rubbish about guitar cables. Instant turn off from the video. A pity.
Why are so many audio engineers bald?
Couldnt hear some details in the mix because he talks so much -.-
That's the sound that makes me want to quit music. I hate it. Fk new metal.
No bass? Ugh.
What do you mean?
@@KohleAudioKult you didn't go over how to mix bass guitar
Just do the same thing he did to the kick drum
Soft metal
Not sure about taking a masterclass from the guy who produced the last three Bury Tomorrow albums.
Honestly?
I hope The Seventh Sun is the last with Dan.
I hoped Black Flame (their first with him) would be their last with him.
How three of the worst produced / mastered albums in modern metal come from this one producer is baffling to me.
Especially when unassociated companies could come out and say anything he does could be confused with mastery.
Enter Shikari lost 90% of what made them interesting and Dan not only gets praise for those albums but critical recognition.
Not from reviewers overly familiar with their back catalogue, mind you.
Or reviewers who even remotely enjoyed what made Enter Shikari a popular band in the first place.
Infomercial.... you used to show us how to do everything now we get "snippets"..
A half an hour snippet.
What do you want from the guy? Hahah
Nope. I have never had full courses on the channel and I have always only shown longer segments.
But instead of complaining I‘d recommend to enjoy thirty minutes of watching one of the best guys in the business mixing a song!
I would have killed for this when I started out! 🤘🤣
@@KohleAudioKult you can’t even give 1000 people their vision back without catching flack. Thanks for the content.
@@bluerockstudios5812 #mrbeast
Hahahah
@@KohleAudioKult yes you did .. that is so untrue! You use to show us how to make snare one shot and then give us the sample . You used to show us how to blend different amp sims to get a dirtier sound . You used to show us how to seperate frequencies in tracks ! Make a kick one shot and share it with everyone. You showed us a lot of things without referring us to going and buying a course video. AND I'M DEFINITELY TELLING THE TRUTH.. Theirs tons of things I learned here AND I FOLLOWED YOU FROM THE BEGINNING. But you will just let it slide and let other people try to make me look foolish but I know and YOU KNOW IM TELLING THE TRUTH. SHAME ON YOU FOR TOTALLY DISAGREEING WITH ME AND LETTING THESE PEOPLE GET ON ME LIKE THIS.. I HOPE OTHER PEOPLE READ THIS CAUSE THEY KNOW THE TRUTH ALSO.. I MAY BE SOMEWHAT WRONG BUT SO ARE YOU. SO ARE YOU.
at the beginning he said he couldn't impart his vast knowledge in just one day....
he's prolly right - I'm 10 minutes in and haven't learned a fucking thing
maybe it's due to the fact that you're just in another place with your skillset?
Not to sound judgemental or rude but ..there's good stuff to take away from this video, but I think if you watch this 10 min video with the intention
of learning how to mix from point A to Z then ..you're sorta wrong :)
@@AhmetWinchester go watch MusicTechHelpGuy - I have to rewatch every one of his vids because he packs in so much teaching. This dude is just endorsing plugins and offering some inspiration - this is a waste of time (IMO)
Kohle, Du bist echt richtig gut!
Strike! 🤘❤️
Pop metal? Wtf thats rock music
Oh God I hate that band....
I'll comeback for the next one.
Not brootal enough