I am using my Engl Fireball 25 together with a Rocktron mAXE. The mAxe for itself sounds "interesting", but it is the right tool to fill up a high gain valve sound. Since I am lazy, my 3+4 are actually one track mixed into two instances of Overloud THU with Rectifier profiles. At the end it is a hybrid setup: Valve, transistor and program code... For the cabs: Engl IRs (the official ones) and a real E110 cab mic'ed with a E609 and a MD421 (that is tricky, since it is a small speaker). I think the E110 adds everything a 4x12 can't provide... :-)
I have a bogner for scooped and randall for mids on my left channel and then a Mesa and a fender combo on my right channel. Used rainbows and chainsaws irs largely the dv77. Absolutely stoked on the sounds we are getting. About to head back to the studio and use everything from the get go rather than just in post.
perfect video. I use a 3 Channel Triple Rectifier for the main body, Carvin V3 for crispy highs, and a Panama Inferno as an alternate if i need a bit more mellowed/Cultured sound. sometimes i will lightly augment these with high gain plugins sitting just underneath everything. i'd love to get a Vox nightrain to use as a nasty/trash guitar tone to blend in, but there are many things that come first on my studio 'to-get' list right now.
Fantastisch! Great information Kristian! This reminds me of what Dave Jerden would do with Alice In Chains! Love being able to hear such high level stuff here explained so well!
What I love the most and never really thought about until you said it in this video - take ONE IR... ONE single IR, not two, ONE, and go through all your amps with it. That way you can learn the tonal characteristics of each amp. Brilliant. Sounds simple but it’s one of those things you don’t really consider when getting started in the endless world of amps. Vielen Dank!
a tip on the nolly 5150. the master volume knob does SO much to the midrange. between 3 and 4 is a huge change. anything over 5 gets mushy, and 4 sounds way better. it took me SO long to try that.
I've run 2 tube amps (amps I've owned or borrowed) on stage on various times throughout my life as a gigging guitar player; Fender+Marshall, Vox+plus Marshall, Mesa+Peavey etc. and I've found that for the music I play, which is mostly classic and hard rock, the Marshall 2203 paired with the Mesa Dual rectifier both plugged into a Marshall 412 stereo cab sounded the most monstrous I think because of the Marshall's classic midrange roar and the brutal high gain focused lows and highs of the Dual rectifier.
3 minutes into the first video of this channel got the easy sub, dude this is an excellent simplification of an overly complicated subject. This is where art meets science in audio engineering. Great explanation on tone building. 🤘👽💨
Invaluable knowledge here, just started studying Music technology at University, can't wait to make some proper beefy sounds in the studio. Cheers Kristian.
Awesome! I just did this actually, with Nolly for the mids and highs, and Fortin Nameless for the sludgy lows, both using a Mesa 4x12 IR. Worked great! Thanks for the great content Kristian! 🤘
Nice video! Without a doubt, I am clear that hundreds of records have been made using this technique and you also explain it very well with a practical example. greetings
"I want this to sound cold and brutal. I do not want this to sound nice." 2 minutes later: "Ah, nice! ....Oh that's nice! ...that sounds very nice!" As for my own blend, the coolest blend I've got in the physical world was running a Line 6 Spidervalve 3 (bogner) with tone dialed mimicking a Kataklysm type tone through a Marshall Jcm 800. Not the biggest Line 6 fan but that one amp is good and with the preamp run through a Jcm full stack - Holy heaviness!
Fantastic stuff again, Kohlekeller! I've always wondered how bands managed to sound so huge; quad tracking seems to be the way to do it! I remember Fit For An Autopsy's "Hellbound" EP being the first one where I though "oh my god, I *have* to get this guitar tone!" it was so damn massive. Can't wait to try out some of this stuff on my own.
I've been having pair B be hard Right & 60-75% Left (pair A hard R & L). That 1 track not hard left gives me space for solos & leads & when I blend it right it sounds 'exactly' how I hear it while playing from my drumkit.
Hello, Kristian, I wanted to thank you for selling me this IRs pack. It is honnestly way better than everything i had previously used and try (wich is a lot!). Finally, i have a tone that I enjoy to work with. Bravo!
Did something similar starting with Orange Dual Dark + Jensen Electric Lighning + Sennheiser e906; we needed some more mids so I added a Jcm 800 + vintage 15" speaker + Beyerdynamic m201. Sweet combo!
what I've been doing for 12- 13 years now is a marshall DSL or TSL with a mesa Dual rectifier (or mark series amp). Blends the EL34s and 6L6s and differences in eq stacks. The same would be awesome with Marshall JVM and mesa Mark V combinations. You have to plan the tandem wisely to truly benefit.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think it would have been better to have done some level matching as it seems more like you’re getting a pretty hefty volume boost when adding in the orange.
I absolutely love your Rainbows and Chainsaws IRs, and they help a lot in doing a thick guitar sound for a video game I'm composing for, but I'd love to see you doing a video on dialing in some nice patches with Amplitube 5, since that's my go-to amp sim, aside from Neural DSP Gojira. Maybe do a video on combining the two? ;)
I’ll do some “dialing in your amp sim” videos inside my academy later this year. We’re launching next week! Stay tuned!
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Im working on my band's next studio album, i was doing quadtracking with the same amp just swaping the IR, 100 70 70 100, the 100 with a brighter and low end speaker and the 70 with more "dark" sound to get a nice tone, but now, i just changed the 70 amp by another one with a different speaker and it sound waaay better than before, thanks for this vid! you're been helping me through these last years with the music production Kristian. By the way im using your Eminence IR Pack, thanks for that too!
I will just say this: that Fleisch eq is wonderful on its own. I even use the Grindstein with only the EQ and gate activated when I don't need the chainsaw on certain guitar tracks to polish them.
I actually have a synth sound I made specifically for a similar technique to what you're talking about. It's this weird lo-fi thing that sounds kind of terrible on its own, but when layered under the guitar it both fills out and adds an edge to the sound without being noticeable if you don't know it's there
The best blended tone I've ever heard is from Toxicity. I have never heard a tone like it ever, very droning, clean, and overall an amazing idea from Malakian.
Hi Kristian, one more time a very inspiring video! Especially the possibility to go two different ways of style is very nice. That's why I like your Guitar Tone Crafting Course very much!! Thank you a lot for this nice videos and for sharing your knowledge with us! Best regards from Anterior Palatinate!! Stefan
I'm so glad to see this topic pop up! I generally pan a Dual Rectifier on one side vs the Orange Thunderverb... Those two create one helluva tone that sits really well in my mixes. The Thunderverb takes a little tweaking, but with proper mic choice & placement it clarifies into a thick, meaty rhythm chug without getting too "muddy". The TVerb has a LOT of low end, but I find that using a Bottle mic, paired with a more traditional condenser mic, breathes life into the Thunderverb, bringing out some of the crispness that I found it to be lacking. It's a BEAST - especially when panned vs something a little crisper like the Dual Rec. This pair is f'ing MAGICAL for old-school metal tones! I don't really fk with super-low tunings much, so I really can't speak on using these two together for more "modern" metal / djent styles. But for late 80's / 90's thrash metal tones, or even just hard rock if I roll back some of the gain a little, they sound absolutely killer together! 🤘 Now, admittedly I'm referring to the modeled versions due to cost... have you seen what a physical Orange Thunderverb 200 head sells for?!! 😮 But with some decent software like Amplitube 5 they NAILED Mesa Boogie tones imo, and they did a really decent job with the Orange package as well as far as I can tell. I don't have much experience with an actual real life Thunderverb, but I did own a Dual Rectifier (as well as a Trip Rec) years back, and ikmedia really did a great job recreating the Mesa Boogie tones imo. But however you're approaching it you just can't go wrong with these two titans together! 🤘
Now, having completed the video, I'm going to try experimenting with adding in a few more tones as suggested. Maybe something a little more "fizzy" like a Soldano Slo 100, or an ENGL. The possibilities are literally endless. So thanks for this video mate! This is the best high-gain tutorial vid I've watched in quite some time! It really got me excited to try expanding on the two-head tone I've been using for a while now. I've occasionally swapped out the Dual Rec with a Mark IV, or the Fender Metalhead, but I've never attempted to blend more than two different tones together. I mean, I've double-tracked the same tones of course for a natural chorus(ish) effect, which I've found helpful to sort of fill out my tone on particular tracks, but that's about it. So your vid really has gotten my creative juices flowing and I can't wait to put your advice into practice when I sit down at the desk tonight. Cheers!! 💯
@@KohleAudioKult sorry for the delay brother. I'm using the bottle 563 (based on a Neumann CMV-563) paired with a Dynamic 57 on the TVerb200 (I had stated above that I was pairing the bottle with another condenser mic, but I was mistaken - it is actually the dynamic 57 that I landed on in the end). It was a happy accident that just seemed to help me get what I was looking for out of the Thunderverb, and sounded even better when I put it into the mix with the Rectifier, which surprised me. Funny side note, this actually sounds a little better to me when using Amplitube iOS 🤷♂️. Go figure. But I've been using the same pair on the Mac with similar results. I just watched another vid of yours on understanding and dialing in high gain tones, and I liked how much you were encouraging experimentation. I generally wouldn't have thought too use the Bottle 563, but I was f'ing around and stumbled across it. I moved it back a wee bit from the cab and suddenly it just came alive for me. Same with cabs recently - I decided to try a few different cabinets with the Dual Rectifier recently out of boredom and discovered that I really prefer Amplitube's "4x12 Metal T 1" cab with the Dual Rec when using the Dual Rec on it's own (on Amplitube 5 anyway - I LOVE the Mesa 4x12 cabs irl). So my point, if anyone else actually reads all of this, is to experiment like crazy... especially considering all of the great, inexpensive modeling software out there. That $5 mic add-on ended up leading me to the exact tone that I needed in that moment. Thx for responding man! Hope you find something helpful here. Keep up the great vids!🤘
Also, when it comes to the TV200 I actually prefer Channel B - "Shape" on 8 / Gain on about 7... it's a very strange amp - Ch1 has basic treb/mid/bass eq, but Ch2 only has a weird "Shape" knob instead
I am all in the box since I am in an apartment but I use the UA BE100 with the English 412 (49) and the UA Engle Savage 120 with the American 412 (19) both with a TS9 in front of it and get huge tones.
I haven't recorded it but my live stereo guitar rig is Mesa Mark V into Schecter 4x12 with V30s, and EVH 5153 Stealth into matching cab. I think the Mark V has really great clarity and tone, I can hear every note... and the 5153 Stealth adds a modern compressed distortion. I also have a 6505+ and Red Voodoo 4x12 with EU V30s that I used to record with. And the guitarists in my band both have Dual Rectifiers, one of them with matching 4x12 slant Rectifier cab.
Just discovered your channel and have spent the weekend "Grinding" 🤔 through your videos. Absolutely loving your content. So many great tips. Thanks man.
Man I freaking love your content and more importantly how you teach and transmit the knoweledge you have to others. Crystal clear, amusing... I'd LOVE to drink a beer and Talk with you!!
@@KohleAudioKult btw used this philosophy to pull out the Clayman tone. Main tone IS a 5150 with an OD (not a TS) Fredman technique and the secondary one a ValveState mixed Between 5 or 6 dB below. Awesome tone
A lot of times I’ll use an ABY pedal, dual track my guitars but use two amps per side. Usually on the left I’ll run a JCM 2000 DSL50 and a JP2C and on the right a 6505 and a Deliverance II. If there’s anything missing, then I’ll look at a plug-in on the DI tracks.
My Amp rig is an Orange Rockerverb MKII (Better clean channel, mid control!) 3/4 stack with a 2x12 of 150W Swamp Thangs in an orange tolex Live 220 cab, an Orange PPC2412 new with V30s I use as a pedal Platform, a Behringer Ultrabass 300W and 1x18 -300W Peavy Bass Speaker also in the pedal line, then another weird hybrid 3/4 stack. Its and Egnater Tourmaster 100wTube combo 2x12 with low end enhanced 80W Celestian SL styles, this rig is my dirty dry rig for heavy articulation, an Orange Micro Dark preamp going into the Egnater Front end (still picking a channel) and use that amp to power a 94 Tweed Tubeworks 4x12 with Eminence Blank 80W and then an Orange Dark Terror powering the Egnater's 2x12 combo cab. its a weird 115W 3/4 Stack Dark Terror essentially. I run about 70 pedals into the front of the RV and Ultrabass, Dark Terror 3/4 stays dry. Donner makes a nice ABY box with LED mini volume knobs and a phase correction switch for $20!
Great! That is exactly what I tried to do with the Grindstein in my latest recordings! And I did it with the tone matrix which I knew from the course :-) Although I had some trouble using an amp signal and the DI track so I used the amp singnal in the FX loop of the Grindstein which also works great! Thnanks for this good example!!! P.S.: DHL broke two bottles and sent me back the package. So I have to repack everything and get it on the way again.
what i learned is that blending one amp with mo' tite pre distortion and the other with mo' loosey power distortion and automate them depending on the guitar parts works for me well lol, but when in doubt, just throw a fuzzy distortion unit on the quad track.
Something i noticed is the grindstein version sounds a lot like when you distort the bass guitar (a dedicated bass distortion channel). That nasty clanky/nasally/vomity grindstein distortion really melds well with the bass guitar, it marries the 5051 guitar tracks with the bass guitar track, i didn't get that sensation with the orange layer that sound just beefed the main guitar sound (that's the way i perceived it).
im a big fan of the Archetype nolly, and i mostly play/record very low tuned 7 string stuff, and sometimes what i really like to bring out some presence, without blending with another amp is a saturation plugin called Saturn, you can basicaly apply any kind of distortion, saturation or just tape warmth to a certain frequency, i would definelty recommend trying the 700hz to 1k area !
I’ve been blending the Grindstein with the new “II II II II” amp sim from Otto Audio. Sounds amazing. Also, I’ve been using the Grindstein on my bass tracks as well. The bass tone sounds like an angry homeless drunk throwing up in an abandoned alleyway full of meth needles, but it blends amazingly well with the guitars. Have an awesome week buddy 🤘🎸
after seeing clutch live in 2004 I noticed Tim salt used a Marshall half stack with a Fender twin. I had a Marshall 602 combo And a Fender Princeton, So I sent the pwr amp out of the Marshall into the Princeton WOW what a sound. I highly recommended it
Amazing video again! To me, the Orange + 5150 sounds really great! I can't wait and try to reproduce that same combination with my Orange Rockerverb + AmbHub 5153. It should work :)
I really like to blend the best of both worlds. Lately I have been using Tube Amps with the Two notes captorX. Really enjoy the versatility of using the Wall of Sound inside Reaper and the ability to mix, match, and blend the two notes cabs with several different mics alongside outside Cab IR's.
@KohleAudioKult I have recently gone from quad tracking back to dual, because I don’t really like that “chorus” kind of sound effect quads are producing (at least in my guitar mix” is there a way or a trick to minimize that chorus effect? Since I do really like the hugeness of quads. Some people say to me. Check your tuning. But I have a guitar with Evertune, so that should not be an issue!? Maybe a video on this subject in the near future? Love your content! Cheers!
I combine amps on Amplitube. One is a high gain, scooped modern mesa type tone... the other is Marshall with low gain but cranked mids. It sounds fucking awesome.
The Nolly Plugin was not my fav plugin cause i cant stand anymore 5150! But i never tried it with your IRs! I blended the GGD Cali Cabs with yours from Rainbow & Chainsaw.....SICK! Your are just one of the best for Metal! Thanks for your work and this video!
Engl Thunder 50 + Randall Diavlo 100 ergänzen sich mega gut, der Engl ist mega rauh und untight (ohne Tube Screamer oder so) und der Randall mega komprimiert und klingt sehr glatt. Klingt zusammen einfach richtig gut
@@KohleAudioKult It is exactly as you say in your video. The Mesa carries most of the load on its own but has more low end chunk. The Marshall helps to fill in the gaps with a little bit of brightness in the mid range. They work really well together.
Which amps / speakers / cabs / rigs do you blend for creating huge tones?
Grindstein + Grindstein. Really, a thick middy tone and a really thin one works great.
I am using my Engl Fireball 25 together with a Rocktron mAXE. The mAxe for itself sounds "interesting", but it is the right tool to fill up a high gain valve sound.
Since I am lazy, my 3+4 are actually one track mixed into two instances of Overloud THU with Rectifier profiles. At the end it is a hybrid setup: Valve, transistor and program code... For the cabs: Engl IRs (the official ones) and a real E110 cab mic'ed with a E609 and a MD421 (that is tricky, since it is a small speaker). I think the E110 adds everything a 4x12 can't provide... :-)
I have a bogner for scooped and randall for mids on my left channel and then a Mesa and a fender combo on my right channel. Used rainbows and chainsaws irs largely the dv77. Absolutely stoked on the sounds we are getting. About to head back to the studio and use everything from the get go rather than just in post.
Like this? I use yours pedal and ir's
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perfect video. I use a 3 Channel Triple Rectifier for the main body, Carvin V3 for crispy highs, and a Panama Inferno as an alternate if i need a bit more mellowed/Cultured sound. sometimes i will lightly augment these with high gain plugins sitting just underneath everything. i'd love to get a Vox nightrain to use as a nasty/trash guitar tone to blend in, but there are many things that come first on my studio 'to-get' list right now.
Fantastisch! Great information Kristian! This reminds me of what Dave Jerden would do with Alice In Chains! Love being able to hear such high level stuff here explained so well!
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videos like this are just GOLD. For a newbie trying to learn home recording, this is precious stuff.
You're precious.
Holy shit this is so helpful. Thank you for doing this with plugins. Helps out all of us who will never buy/don’t have the space for real amps.
It’s the same approach in the end!
What I love the most and never really thought about until you said it in this video - take ONE IR... ONE single IR, not two, ONE, and go through all your amps with it. That way you can learn the tonal characteristics of each amp. Brilliant. Sounds simple but it’s one of those things you don’t really consider when getting started in the endless world of amps. Vielen Dank!
seriously? you never heard of Judas Priest?
Just watched the first 5 minutes and I'm instantly motivated to play around finding great guitar tones!
a tip on the nolly 5150. the master volume knob does SO much to the midrange. between 3 and 4 is a huge change. anything over 5 gets mushy, and 4 sounds way better. it took me SO long to try that.
Sounds amazing! I'd like to hear more about that great bass tone.
That was a Spector bass! I need to look up what I did with it.
@@KohleAudioKult Yes please, that was a big bass!
this was amazing. content is pure gold. would love more on how to do the blends in a creative way.
I love your videos. I feel like I never find good professional videos about blending amp tones. They’re few and far between.
I've run 2 tube amps (amps I've owned or borrowed) on stage on various times throughout my life as a gigging guitar player; Fender+Marshall, Vox+plus Marshall, Mesa+Peavey etc. and I've found that for the music I play, which is mostly classic and hard rock, the Marshall 2203 paired with the Mesa Dual rectifier both plugged into a Marshall 412 stereo cab sounded the most monstrous I think because of the Marshall's classic midrange roar and the brutal high gain focused lows and highs of the Dual rectifier.
I love your Bogren IR's especially with the Oh My Goat
I used your Eminence IR pack to record the guitars on my upcoming EP, and even without mixing the tracks, it sounds so brutal!
3 minutes into the first video of this channel got the easy sub, dude this is an excellent simplification of an overly complicated subject. This is where art meets science in audio engineering. Great explanation on tone building.
🤘👽💨
Thanks a lot and welcome to the channel!
Invaluable knowledge here, just started studying Music technology at University, can't wait to make some proper beefy sounds in the studio.
Cheers Kristian.
Great!
Don't forget to join the Kohle Audio Kult!
On my discord channel, you'll meet a lot of cool people to nerd out!
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Kohle Ramsay sitting in his studio "hmm, this needs a bit of mids, a splash of dängel and maby a side of chainsaw" love it
Great video, was already aware of these techniques and approaches but an in depth perspective is always welcome. Cool stuff.
Awesome! I just did this actually, with Nolly for the mids and highs, and Fortin Nameless for the sludgy lows, both using a Mesa 4x12 IR. Worked great! Thanks for the great content Kristian! 🤘
I have your Eminence IR pack, and I'm thoroughly pleased with it - they're almost my go-to
This is a great video. Not many people even talk about it. Its so important
Nice video! Without a doubt, I am clear that hundreds of records have been made using this technique and you also explain it very well with a practical example. greetings
"I want this to sound cold and brutal. I do not want this to sound nice."
2 minutes later:
"Ah, nice! ....Oh that's nice! ...that sounds very nice!"
As for my own blend, the coolest blend I've got in the physical world was running a Line 6 Spidervalve 3 (bogner) with tone dialed mimicking a Kataklysm type tone through a Marshall Jcm 800. Not the biggest Line 6 fan but that one amp is good and with the preamp run through a Jcm full stack - Holy heaviness!
Damn, you had me at the opening breakdown. *first time viewer proceeds to subscribe*
That’s the spirit! 🤪❤️🍺
Fantastic stuff again, Kohlekeller! I've always wondered how bands managed to sound so huge; quad tracking seems to be the way to do it! I remember Fit For An Autopsy's "Hellbound" EP being the first one where I though "oh my god, I *have* to get this guitar tone!" it was so damn massive. Can't wait to try out some of this stuff on my own.
I can only recommend the IR pack. It’s sick, and so we’re these tones. 🔥🔥🔥
Bought the Grindstein plugin after watching this video. I can already say it's worth every penny, ESPECIALLY on sale. Well done.
I've been having pair B be hard Right & 60-75% Left (pair A hard R & L). That 1 track not hard left gives me space for solos & leads & when I blend it right it sounds 'exactly' how I hear it while playing from my drumkit.
Clever. Very Interesting! Album Rock Forever! Thanks Man!
Hello, Kristian, I wanted to thank you for selling me this IRs pack. It is honnestly way better than everything i had previously used and try (wich is a lot!). Finally, i have a tone that I enjoy to work with. Bravo!
Thanks a lot man!
I'm actually surprised how much bs is out there. Both IRs and plug ins.
Very nice vid, very helpful! Love that band Carnal Decay as well, need to check them out!!
I just learned a lot! I will definitely try to do this in the near future! Keep the educational stuff coming. It's great! Thanks.
Did something similar starting with Orange Dual Dark + Jensen Electric Lighning + Sennheiser e906; we needed some more mids so I added a Jcm 800 + vintage 15" speaker + Beyerdynamic m201. Sweet combo!
what I've been doing for 12- 13 years now is a marshall DSL or TSL with a mesa Dual rectifier (or mark series amp). Blends the EL34s and 6L6s and differences in eq stacks. The same would be awesome with Marshall JVM and mesa Mark V combinations. You have to plan the tandem wisely to truly benefit.
That Grindstein is pure evil, I'm using it everywhere since I got it!! Awesome vid bro, cheers!
I do something similar with my cabs .. use a blend of a 4x12 Randall and a Fender twin reverb. Killer .
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think it would have been better to have done some level matching as it seems more like you’re getting a pretty hefty volume boost when adding in the orange.
It's a fucking amazing video. One if the best I've ever seen in guitar tone topic. Very well done. Really, hats off 🤘
thank you so much ! i was having this same problem where i couldint get a wide sound. thanks
I absolutely love your Rainbows and Chainsaws IRs, and they help a lot in doing a thick guitar sound for a video game I'm composing for, but I'd love to see you doing a video on dialing in some nice patches with Amplitube 5, since that's my go-to amp sim, aside from Neural DSP Gojira. Maybe do a video on combining the two? ;)
I’ll do some “dialing in your amp sim” videos inside my academy later this year. We’re launching next week! Stay tuned!
Im working on my band's next studio album, i was doing quadtracking with the same amp just swaping the IR, 100 70 70 100, the 100 with a brighter and low end speaker and the 70 with more "dark" sound to get a nice tone, but now, i just changed the 70 amp by another one with a different speaker and it sound waaay better than before, thanks for this vid! you're been helping me through these last years with the music production Kristian.
By the way im using your Eminence IR Pack, thanks for that too!
"am i trying to sell you this thing ? yes i am! this is fantastic !" a comedic genius XD
I will just say this: that Fleisch eq is wonderful on its own. I even use the Grindstein with only the EQ and gate activated when I don't need the chainsaw on certain guitar tracks to polish them.
I do that too, the Fleisch is bad ass, and they are working on an actual pedal, so that will be awesome!
I actually have a synth sound I made specifically for a similar technique to what you're talking about. It's this weird lo-fi thing that sounds kind of terrible on its own, but when layered under the guitar it both fills out and adds an edge to the sound without being noticeable if you don't know it's there
Sounds interesting!
The best blended tone I've ever heard is from Toxicity.
I have never heard a tone like it ever, very droning, clean, and overall an amazing idea from Malakian.
Cool video! 5150+Orange was my favorite combination. Your IR sound great!
Hi Kristian,
one more time a very inspiring video! Especially the possibility to go two different ways of style is very nice. That's why I like your Guitar Tone Crafting Course very much!! Thank you a lot for this nice videos and for sharing your knowledge with us!
Best regards from Anterior Palatinate!!
Stefan
"Chooga chooga!"
The guitar tone you captured on Benighted's 'Asylum Cave' is one of the best I've heard. Great job on that 🤘
It’s been a while, but thanks a lot!
Same principle like in this video.
Best benighted record so fucking underrated and yes the tone is amazing but some of their latest stuff has even better production
This is a very well teached lesson in sound sculpturing. Thumbs up!
i like how the guitar tone gets deeper into the mix with quad tracking!
As someone who struggles to get good riff tones at home, this video is a great find. Thanks!
Great video!! Weird how that rockerverb was so chill.
I'm so glad to see this topic pop up! I generally pan a Dual Rectifier on one side vs the Orange Thunderverb... Those two create one helluva tone that sits really well in my mixes. The Thunderverb takes a little tweaking, but with proper mic choice & placement it clarifies into a thick, meaty rhythm chug without getting too "muddy". The TVerb has a LOT of low end, but I find that using a Bottle mic, paired with a more traditional condenser mic, breathes life into the Thunderverb, bringing out some of the crispness that I found it to be lacking. It's a BEAST - especially when panned vs something a little crisper like the Dual Rec. This pair is f'ing MAGICAL for old-school metal tones! I don't really fk with super-low tunings much, so I really can't speak on using these two together for more "modern" metal / djent styles. But for late 80's / 90's thrash metal tones, or even just hard rock if I roll back some of the gain a little, they sound absolutely killer together! 🤘
Now, admittedly I'm referring to the modeled versions due to cost... have you seen what a physical Orange Thunderverb 200 head sells for?!! 😮 But with some decent software like Amplitube 5 they NAILED Mesa Boogie tones imo, and they did a really decent job with the Orange package as well as far as I can tell. I don't have much experience with an actual real life Thunderverb, but I did own a Dual Rectifier (as well as a Trip Rec) years back, and ikmedia really did a great job recreating the Mesa Boogie tones imo. But however you're approaching it you just can't go wrong with these two titans together! 🤘
Now, having completed the video, I'm going to try experimenting with adding in a few more tones as suggested. Maybe something a little more "fizzy" like a Soldano Slo 100, or an ENGL. The possibilities are literally endless. So thanks for this video mate! This is the best high-gain tutorial vid I've watched in quite some time! It really got me excited to try expanding on the two-head tone I've been using for a while now. I've occasionally swapped out the Dual Rec with a Mark IV, or the Fender Metalhead, but I've never attempted to blend more than two different tones together. I mean, I've double-tracked the same tones of course for a natural chorus(ish) effect, which I've found helpful to sort of fill out my tone on particular tracks, but that's about it. So your vid really has gotten my creative juices flowing and I can't wait to put your advice into practice when I sit down at the desk tonight. Cheers!! 💯
Mesa / Orange is always a great combination!
I need to check out the big Thunderberb.
Which Bottle are you using?
@@KohleAudioKult sorry for the delay brother. I'm using the bottle 563 (based on a Neumann CMV-563) paired with a Dynamic 57 on the TVerb200 (I had stated above that I was pairing the bottle with another condenser mic, but I was mistaken - it is actually the dynamic 57 that I landed on in the end). It was a happy accident that just seemed to help me get what I was looking for out of the Thunderverb, and sounded even better when I put it into the mix with the Rectifier, which surprised me. Funny side note, this actually sounds a little better to me when using Amplitube iOS 🤷♂️. Go figure. But I've been using the same pair on the Mac with similar results.
I just watched another vid of yours on understanding and dialing in high gain tones, and I liked how much you were encouraging experimentation. I generally wouldn't have thought too use the Bottle 563, but I was f'ing around and stumbled across it. I moved it back a wee bit from the cab and suddenly it just came alive for me. Same with cabs recently - I decided to try a few different cabinets with the Dual Rectifier recently out of boredom and discovered that I really prefer Amplitube's "4x12 Metal T 1" cab with the Dual Rec when using the Dual Rec on it's own (on Amplitube 5 anyway - I LOVE the Mesa 4x12 cabs irl). So my point, if anyone else actually reads all of this, is to experiment like crazy... especially considering all of the great, inexpensive modeling software out there. That $5 mic add-on ended up leading me to the exact tone that I needed in that moment.
Thx for responding man! Hope you find something helpful here. Keep up the great vids!🤘
Also, when it comes to the TV200 I actually prefer Channel B - "Shape" on 8 / Gain on about 7... it's a very strange amp - Ch1 has basic treb/mid/bass eq, but Ch2 only has a weird "Shape" knob instead
I am all in the box since I am in an apartment but I use the UA BE100 with the English 412 (49) and the UA Engle Savage 120 with the American 412 (19) both with a TS9 in front of it and get huge tones.
Hey Kohle! I've been MIA from your channel because of university but damnit now it's like having a season to binge watch ;) Stay metal brotha
Welcome back!
You must have been in a very lonely and dark place. It’s kinda hard to escape TH-cam 😜
@@KohleAudioKult Wow you're a psychic! LOL
I haven't recorded it but my live stereo guitar rig is Mesa Mark V into Schecter 4x12 with V30s, and EVH 5153 Stealth into matching cab. I think the Mark V has really great clarity and tone, I can hear every note... and the 5153 Stealth adds a modern compressed distortion.
I also have a 6505+ and Red Voodoo 4x12 with EU V30s that I used to record with. And the guitarists in my band both have Dual Rectifiers, one of them with matching 4x12 slant Rectifier cab.
Just discovered your channel and have spent the weekend "Grinding" 🤔 through your videos. Absolutely loving your content. So many great tips. Thanks man.
Welcome!
I'm launching my academy in October! That will be even more grinding fun!
@@KohleAudioKult oh wow. That's awesome. Can't wait.
Man I freaking love your content and more importantly how you teach and transmit the knoweledge you have to others. Crystal clear, amusing... I'd LOVE to drink a beer and Talk with you!!
Thanks! Beer sounds good! 🤪❤️🍺
@@KohleAudioKult btw used this philosophy to pull out the Clayman tone. Main tone IS a 5150 with an OD (not a TS) Fredman technique and the secondary one a ValveState mixed Between 5 or 6 dB below. Awesome tone
A lot of times I’ll use an ABY pedal, dual track my guitars but use two amps per side. Usually on the left I’ll run a JCM 2000 DSL50 and a JP2C and on the right a 6505 and a Deliverance II. If there’s anything missing, then I’ll look at a plug-in on the DI tracks.
Sounds good! Just be very careful about the phase if you send the same performance to several rigs
Thanks for this epic tutorial. The Grindstein is simply "Weltklasse"!
My Amp rig is an Orange Rockerverb MKII (Better clean channel, mid control!) 3/4 stack with a 2x12 of 150W Swamp Thangs in an orange tolex Live 220 cab, an Orange PPC2412 new with V30s I use as a pedal Platform, a Behringer Ultrabass 300W and 1x18 -300W Peavy Bass Speaker also in the pedal line, then another weird hybrid 3/4 stack. Its and Egnater Tourmaster 100wTube combo 2x12 with low end enhanced 80W Celestian SL styles, this rig is my dirty dry rig for heavy articulation, an Orange Micro Dark preamp going into the Egnater Front end (still picking a channel) and use that amp to power a 94 Tweed Tubeworks 4x12 with Eminence Blank 80W and then an Orange Dark Terror powering the Egnater's 2x12 combo cab. its a weird 115W 3/4 Stack Dark Terror essentially. I run about 70 pedals into the front of the RV and Ultrabass, Dark Terror 3/4 stays dry. Donner makes a nice ABY box with LED mini volume knobs and a phase correction switch for $20!
I use a Diezel VHX multiple channels. 1 with a Les Paul modern and 1 with a 58 Les paul custom reissue. Monster tone
I've recently done this with two tube amps and it's freaking killer man huge sound and under $1400 dollars doing it. Bad ass
Great! That is exactly what I tried to do with the Grindstein in my latest recordings! And I did it with the tone matrix which I knew from the course :-) Although I had some trouble using an amp signal and the DI track so I used the amp singnal in the FX loop of the Grindstein which also works great!
Thnanks for this good example!!!
P.S.: DHL broke two bottles and sent me back the package. So I have to repack everything and get it on the way again.
Oh noooo! 🙄
what i learned is that blending one amp with mo' tite pre distortion and the other with mo' loosey power distortion and automate them depending on the guitar parts works for me well lol, but when in doubt, just throw a fuzzy distortion unit on the quad track.
Something i noticed is the grindstein version sounds a lot like when you distort the bass guitar (a dedicated bass distortion channel). That nasty clanky/nasally/vomity grindstein distortion really melds well with the bass guitar, it marries the 5051 guitar tracks with the bass guitar track, i didn't get that sensation with the orange layer that sound just beefed the main guitar sound (that's the way i perceived it).
I vote yes on the Amplitube video. I'd love to see some of your presets
I’ve been really digging the Gojira amp sim!
I blend a black star club 40 combo with a Marshall dsl 40 ones dark and the other is bright they blend well together IMO
im a big fan of the Archetype nolly, and i mostly play/record very low tuned 7 string stuff, and sometimes what i really like to bring out some presence, without blending with another amp is a saturation plugin called Saturn, you can basicaly apply any kind of distortion, saturation or just tape warmth to a certain frequency, i would definelty recommend trying the 700hz to 1k area !
Saturn can be great! I agree.
This was interesting to see how you shape a guitar tone very very nice. Kohle rules!
I’ve been blending the Grindstein with the new “II II II II” amp sim from Otto Audio. Sounds amazing. Also, I’ve been using the Grindstein on my bass tracks as well. The bass tone sounds like an angry homeless drunk throwing up in an abandoned alleyway full of meth needles, but it blends amazingly well with the guitars. Have an awesome week buddy 🤘🎸
Can I quote you on the bass tone? 🤣 Beautiful description!
@@KohleAudioKult of course you can!
after seeing clutch live in 2004 I noticed Tim salt used a Marshall half stack with a Fender twin. I had a Marshall 602 combo And a Fender Princeton, So I sent the pwr amp out of the Marshall into the Princeton WOW what a sound. I highly recommended it
Thanks Kohle! After watching this video and applying these techniques I am much closer to the sound in my head.
So helpful Thanks!!!
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Ahaha it’s priceless fake Kohlekeller studio calls himself Glenn 😂😂😂
Amazing video again! To me, the Orange + 5150 sounds really great! I can't wait and try to reproduce that same combination with my Orange Rockerverb + AmbHub 5153. It should work :)
I really like to blend the best of both worlds. Lately I have been using Tube Amps with the Two notes captorX. Really enjoy the versatility of using the Wall of Sound inside Reaper and the ability to mix, match, and blend the two notes cabs with several different mics alongside outside Cab IR's.
That was great. I don't usually turn up the volume on my ear buds while watching a TH-cam video.
Welcome!
Very well explained. And you can automate the "mids" tracks to be slightly louder during verses and outros for added intensity.
I actually cut out a part where I said exactly the same thing! 😅
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Finally someone speaking a way I understand! 😂
So good! I love blending quad tracks. I get a lot of mileage by switching up the IRs and changing the amount of distortion on the amp.
What a real Übermensch would do...put the Orange blend on the Left and Grindstein blend on the right. Extra Stereo spread = Krank.
That’s exactly what I do in an upcoming course here:
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I have recently gone from quad tracking back to dual, because I don’t really like that “chorus” kind of sound effect quads are producing (at least in my guitar mix” is there a way or a trick to minimize that chorus effect? Since I do really like the hugeness of quads.
Some people say to me. Check your tuning. But I have a guitar with Evertune, so that should not be an issue!?
Maybe a video on this subject in the near future?
Love your content!
Cheers!
0:37 every guitar player's dream
Brilliant. Very enlightening. Thank you.
My markV and rectifier, a/b unison amazing
I combine amps on Amplitube. One is a high gain, scooped modern mesa type tone... the other is Marshall with low gain but cranked mids. It sounds fucking awesome.
8:30 I know I’m not a pro metal producer cos I heard that and I’m like, Sounds good! Let’s just do that!!
I like using the EHX Tri-Parallel pedal to blend distortion/preamp/amp in a box pedals.
The Nolly Plugin was not my fav plugin cause i cant stand anymore 5150! But i never tried it with your IRs! I blended the GGD Cali Cabs with yours from Rainbow & Chainsaw.....SICK! Your are just one of the best for Metal! Thanks for your work and this video!
Back in the early days of pod farm i would blend the jcm 800 with the treadplate and it would sound great even without impulse responses.
That’s a classic combo!
This is such a great tutorial bro! Thanks for all of the tips
Youre a metal wizard Kohle. im headbanging in front of my pc
Danke my friend
A great video, as always. Amazing sound, and a really clear and fantastic explanation. You really make things go easier. Thank you very much
Engl Thunder 50 + Randall Diavlo 100 ergänzen sich mega gut, der Engl ist mega rauh und untight (ohne Tube Screamer oder so) und der Randall mega komprimiert und klingt sehr glatt. Klingt zusammen einfach richtig gut
Seriously fantastic video Kristian -- love it. Thanks so much for sharing.
Hey Kristian-it's always good to see you man! Ummm...Is this the heaviest youtube video ever made? I think so! :-)
I have to say that rockerverb tone sounded better than expected for Amplitube especially for that function of fat and warm mids.
You are the best sound producer in the world! Thanks. I start understand something 💪
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@@KohleAudioKult yes, sir!
Sounds absolutely killer. I am currently experimenting with a Marshall JVM410H and a early 2000’s Dual Rectifier. They sound devastating together.
Recto + Marshall is usually a safe bet
@@KohleAudioKult It is exactly as you say in your video. The Mesa carries most of the load on its own but has more low end chunk. The Marshall helps to fill in the gaps with a little bit of brightness in the mid range. They work really well together.
Exactly! A DSL is even better, I just sold my JVM410