The "distance bug" is most likely an intended mechanic that was implemented a long time ago to prevent champions from simply stopping immediately at maximum range, getting that range broken, and ending up getting the attack input cancelled or getting some weird stutter-step chase. Basically a mechanic to improve overall kiting intuitiveness and fluidity. From what I can tell, you can basically think of it as an "inner" maximum attack radius that functions separately from a champion's normal maximum attack radius, that kicks into effect when an attack is inputted too quickly after a movement command, while the next attack is still on cooldown. As far as kiting goes, you prevent it or correct for it with the methods I discussed in the video, but that's the most likely explanation for the behavior itself.
I guess all this comes intuitively to experienced junglers but I don't think many would've been able to put it in a guide format nearly as well. Great video.
Brilliant! I have struggled to figure out why couldn’t replicate the vods I was watching. It was the distance bug biting me. I knew it was happening but didn’t understand why. It seemed random to me. No other video on kiting explains what you do. So helpful!
I have to say that this guide is really awesome. No other guides are talking about this mechanic and I try to practice this jungle kiting. And nice terms you just invent :D
Thank you.. really..! Even if I don't achieve the techniques you explained, because my brain and fingers bleed when I try, at least I understand a ton more how this game works, and how to master jungle kiting.. and I must say I love the way you explain things, they're so damn clear... :')
Great video! "Distance bug" was really screwing with my jungle clears, but I never pinned down why. This video fully explained that and how to deal with it, thanks.
First of all, thanks for the content. It is really awesome. I would personally love to see off meta junglers that have "quick" clears. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Hey great content, didn't know you were the one that made the spreadsheet on jungle clears I look up all the time haha. If you're making another video on jungle kiting know more about the patience mechanic and its ranges is super helpful.
hey phylaris, about the distance bug. It seems that you think its a bug, while it is actually a feature. IIRC your right click is encoded to do that. That's why when you use a-click or attack move click, when you are already on your auto range, it will stop then issue your auto, unlike right clicking.
There's no difference between right click and A-click/attack move click when it comes to this. They function the same way - if your attack is on delay when you input your attack command and you're further than the "inner range," you'll walk forward until you reach the inner range or your attack is ready, whichever comes first. I used attack move click for almost all of the clips in this video. If you're closer than the inner radius, then you'll kite back as expected with no walk back inwards until you pass the inner radius, at which point the walk-in will occur. I think the inner radius is some set percentage of your maximum attack radius, as it seems to scale somewhat proportionally to the max attack range of each champion, but I'm not exactly sure. Whether it's a bug or feature, I don't know - I just called it the distance bug for the sake of convenience, since I don't know of an existing term for it. Whether it's intentional or not, it's definitely a little bit unintuitive and good to account for while kiting.
@@Phylaris I remember that a few years ago people were talking about this on the old forums, it was confirmed as intended, it works that way so you don't stop at your maximum range while chasing people and they get out of your auto range while you are starting your animation, back then when people were shit and didn't know how to attack>move it was a great way to make the game feel less clunky, also, if I remember correctly ranged champs don't work that way, they always stop at their maximum range but I'm not 100% sure on that one
@@staxor It does indeed happen with ranged champions as well, though it's not nearly as relevant when it comes to actual impact. I'm not too sure what determines the difference between a champion's max attack radius and its inner attack radius, though. Some champions seem to suffer a bit more noticeably than others, but it's pretty hard to measure from an eyeball test. It's great to know it's intended, though - thanks for letting me know. That explanation makes a lot of sense, especially in the context of older League when auto-attack projectiles still went out but did no damage if attacks were cancelled too quickly.
Great informative educational video, thanks. I assume that some of these mechanics might be more difficult to apply in the same way for certain champions? For example, Zac, where sometimes if you are attacking from your maximum attack range, your W seems to be out of range to hit the camp.
Zac and Hecarim are both annoying in the same way. Hecarim's Q and Zac's W ranges are both smaller than their respective attack ranges by a very slim margin, so you have to adjust your positioning for that at times.
Isn't it the CD of your AA? If your Auto Attack is on cooldown then it will keep moving towards it's last input - the place you right clicked - and when your CD comes back up it executes the attack.
Nope. There's an "inner" maximum attack range. If you reach this range before your next autoattack is up, your champion will simply stop and wait there until the autoattack is ready. It's easy to check if you hop on a champion with medium range like Urgot, as the inner stopping distance will be very apparent.
@Phylaris So this also applies to ranged champions? Then it would seem to be just as impactful/essential for executing max-range autos in champion combat, just a bit less reliable.
I think there might be a missed opportunity of speed running camp clearing. I would love to do see and do that just trying to get the fastest clear possible.
is the distance bug not avoidable by using attack move click? I'm pretty sure that doesn't force any movement regardless of AA cooldown, as long as a target is within your maximum range
Functions same way as right click. You'll keep moving inward. You don't move inward indefinitely - there's an "inner" range limit at which your champion will stop even if your next auto isn't up yet.
No, you can try with right click or any other attack input with various timings. Every champion has a maximum attack radius, but also a set "inner" attack radius. When you input an attack too quickly while kiting, your character will walk inward either until it meets the inner attack radius or the autoattack is ready, whichever comes first. You can visually test this by hopping on a mid-distance character like Urgot and going auto>kite>auto input in very quick succession. His medium range makes it very easy to tell that he walks up to the inner attack radius and stops there until his auto is ready. Additionally, if you start your kite from inside of this radius rather than outside, there will be no movement at all. You'll just auto, kite back, and as soon as you input your attack your model will stop moving. So there's a completely set inner radius off of which attack inputs made too quickly function. From what I've been told from some older players, this is most likely an intended mechanic that was implemented a long time ago to prevent champions from simply stopping at maximum range, getting that range broken immediately, and ending up getting the attack input cancelled or getting some weird stutter-step chase.
@@Phylaris True i just skimmed over the inner attack radius because it seemed to intuitive to me. Maybe it is when the hitboxes of the champions touch or something? Just speculation ofcause. I agree that it is an intendet mechanic to prevent stutter stepping since it is why i even wrote my comment but it was pretty poorely written :D
I think it's plain wrong to try to discourage people from watching this, if they don't want to min-max their clear. Not that every jungler that doesn't even play ranked would absolutely need to understand this utterly and in depth, but it helps tremendously to be simply awakened to the existence of such mechanics as the distance bug. Also, you sound like it's 50 minute video or something. It's just 10 minutes.
You don't really need to Krugs dance on all champions. It's purely used to save health, which isn't too relevant in a lot of cases because the champions end up pretty much full health at Raptors anyway. I just don't really bother on Viego because he clears with full health by Raps, and the medium Krug bugging around tends to make your Q miss it sometimes. Granted the Krugs clear in the Viego clip at the start is pretty sloppy anyway, lmao. I'd also note that Krugs dancing isn't always the best way to save health on some champions. Forced creepblocking via bend-pulls saves more health than Krugs dancing can in many cases, because you can avoid damage from the big Krug rather than the medium Krug. This is an older video, but it's a good example of this being used - th-cam.com/video/aEEmNdur4dc/w-d-xo.html.
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The "distance bug" is most likely an intended mechanic that was implemented a long time ago to prevent champions from simply stopping immediately at maximum range, getting that range broken, and ending up getting the attack input cancelled or getting some weird stutter-step chase. Basically a mechanic to improve overall kiting intuitiveness and fluidity. From what I can tell, you can basically think of it as an "inner" maximum attack radius that functions separately from a champion's normal maximum attack radius, that kicks into effect when an attack is inputted too quickly after a movement command, while the next attack is still on cooldown.
As far as kiting goes, you prevent it or correct for it with the methods I discussed in the video, but that's the most likely explanation for the behavior itself.
dude you're a freaking legend, i've never seen this type of content in any channel, u should get more value and recognizement.
No truer words have ever been spoken!
I guess all this comes intuitively to experienced junglers but I don't think many would've been able to put it in a guide format nearly as well. Great video.
playing league for so long now... still learning something new every day. Never noticed the distance bug in over 10 years :D
Brilliant! I have struggled to figure out why couldn’t replicate the vods I was watching. It was the distance bug biting me. I knew it was happening but didn’t understand why. It seemed random to me. No other video on kiting explains what you do. So helpful!
Good hustle phylaris
great video bro!
:o, el pister por estos lares, este man si le llega a challenger esta season con tanta info
I just want to say, your videos are hidden gems in YT wannabe guides. Thank you!! Pls keep it up
Not sure how this only has 1.6k likes. This is the best advanced video on jungle clearing on TH-cam. You are the man.
I have to say that this guide is really awesome. No other guides are talking about this mechanic and I try to practice this jungle kiting. And nice terms you just invent :D
Amazing and still relevamt after two years. Keep up good content fam
Thank you.. really..! Even if I don't achieve the techniques you explained, because my brain and fingers bleed when I try, at least I understand a ton more how this game works, and how to master jungle kiting.. and I must say I love the way you explain things, they're so damn clear... :')
I didn't watch the first video, but you still make more sense than my math teacher.
kudos, this micro kiting is pretty revolutionary to be recognised and given a name :P
Phylaris is the ancient jungler from the legends, the legend was true.
Great video! "Distance bug" was really screwing with my jungle clears, but I never pinned down why. This video fully explained that and how to deal with it, thanks.
Dude your channel is amazing, pls keep doing your work, im going to get better
Very detailed content, I was seen the distance bug but i didnt understand what was happening or why the people was using the s, thanks you a lot!
THANKS A LOT, I was trying to figure this out by myself but couldn't. It enhances Diana's first clear by almost 10 seconds.
I fucking love you. pure gold this channel
Amazing tutorial! very helpful video dude. :O I learned so much from you and I really love your clean, slow, and clear voice and explanation!
I'd love more content about mechanics like this. Thank you for the video
First of all, thanks for the content. It is really awesome. I would personally love to see off meta junglers that have "quick" clears. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for this video; couldn’t find anything like this anywhere else
keep up the great work turtlecoon
This is the best content I've seen in months
I'm finally gonna find out what this is all about. Thanks!
Fucking in-depth af, thank you god
found this off reddit, great and helpful video! 👍
This is very helpful thank you
these videos r so good
this is awesome man!
I can't wait for the next video , you are awesome!
Very interesting video. Good effort definitely earned my sub 👍🏼
I am looking forward to the "apply these tips to your gameplay" video!
Great content. Hopefully this gets shared a lot
this is pure gold
Great content
Thank you!
Hey great content, didn't know you were the one that made the spreadsheet on jungle clears I look up all the time haha. If you're making another video on jungle kiting know more about the patience mechanic and its ranges is super helpful.
I'm making a guide on Patience atm.
@@Phylaris Awesome, I look forward to it!
Good video, on microkiting I think I’ve seen scrubnoob do that
Well made video, very useful tricks!
wow this explains so many things
You're amazing. Please do a Volibear patch 10.6 updated clear
Gotcha, uploaded a couple.
LOVE LOVE LOVE YOU VIDEO!!! TY SENSEI
>Damn great video
why am i here i play ivern
goat
Great content. Will definitely come back for the next. When is it coming out? Thumbs Up 👍
i would love to see video on camp aggro, when they reset, etc.
same
hey phylaris, about the distance bug. It seems that you think its a bug, while it is actually a feature. IIRC your right click is encoded to do that. That's why when you use a-click or attack move click, when you are already on your auto range, it will stop then issue your auto, unlike right clicking.
There's no difference between right click and A-click/attack move click when it comes to this. They function the same way - if your attack is on delay when you input your attack command and you're further than the "inner range," you'll walk forward until you reach the inner range or your attack is ready, whichever comes first. I used attack move click for almost all of the clips in this video. If you're closer than the inner radius, then you'll kite back as expected with no walk back inwards until you pass the inner radius, at which point the walk-in will occur. I think the inner radius is some set percentage of your maximum attack radius, as it seems to scale somewhat proportionally to the max attack range of each champion, but I'm not exactly sure.
Whether it's a bug or feature, I don't know - I just called it the distance bug for the sake of convenience, since I don't know of an existing term for it. Whether it's intentional or not, it's definitely a little bit unintuitive and good to account for while kiting.
@@Phylaris I remember that a few years ago people were talking about this on the old forums, it was confirmed as intended, it works that way so you don't stop at your maximum range while chasing people and they get out of your auto range while you are starting your animation, back then when people were shit and didn't know how to attack>move it was a great way to make the game feel less clunky, also, if I remember correctly ranged champs don't work that way, they always stop at their maximum range but I'm not 100% sure on that one
@@staxor It does indeed happen with ranged champions as well, though it's not nearly as relevant when it comes to actual impact.
I'm not too sure what determines the difference between a champion's max attack radius and its inner attack radius, though. Some champions seem to suffer a bit more noticeably than others, but it's pretty hard to measure from an eyeball test.
It's great to know it's intended, though - thanks for letting me know. That explanation makes a lot of sense, especially in the context of older League when auto-attack projectiles still went out but did no damage if attacks were cancelled too quickly.
i think i’ve seen king nidhogg micro kite, especially noticeable on his trundle
His Spear of Shojin Lucian as well
Great informative educational video, thanks. I assume that some of these mechanics might be more difficult to apply in the same way for certain champions? For example, Zac, where sometimes if you are attacking from your maximum attack range, your W seems to be out of range to hit the camp.
Zac and Hecarim are both annoying in the same way. Hecarim's Q and Zac's W ranges are both smaller than their respective attack ranges by a very slim margin, so you have to adjust your positioning for that at times.
Isn't it the CD of your AA? If your Auto Attack is on cooldown then it will keep moving towards it's last input - the place you right clicked - and when your CD comes back up it executes the attack.
Nope. There's an "inner" maximum attack range. If you reach this range before your next autoattack is up, your champion will simply stop and wait there until the autoattack is ready. It's easy to check if you hop on a champion with medium range like Urgot, as the inner stopping distance will be very apparent.
@@Phylaris Huh. The more you know. Neat. Thanks for the response.
why not a left click for attacking instead of s for kiting back?
Pretty useful 👍
@Phylaris So this also applies to ranged champions?
Then it would seem to be just as impactful/essential for executing max-range autos in champion combat, just a bit less reliable.
Distance bug? Yes, applies versus champions as well.
I think there might be a missed opportunity of speed running camp clearing. I would love to do see and do that just trying to get the fastest clear possible.
damn you are so good
pog
Yay
Is this method still applicable? Health isn’t too much of an issue these days, although speed is.
is the distance bug not avoidable by using attack move click? I'm pretty sure that doesn't force any movement regardless of AA cooldown, as long as a target is within your maximum range
Nope. I use it very regularly while kiting. There's nothing you can really do to avoid this from occurring if you input your attack too early.
Does attack move mean that your champion will stop at maximum range for an auto or will you keep moving till the auto is up?
Functions same way as right click. You'll keep moving inward. You don't move inward indefinitely - there's an "inner" range limit at which your champion will stop even if your next auto isn't up yet.
wow, thank you for the quick reponse!
Went into practice tool after this, but auto spacing monster animations still feels like a long way off for me
2:56
Im pretty sure this happens because your "move and attack" input just makes you move until you can attack again.
No, you can try with right click or any other attack input with various timings. Every champion has a maximum attack radius, but also a set "inner" attack radius. When you input an attack too quickly while kiting, your character will walk inward either until it meets the inner attack radius or the autoattack is ready, whichever comes first.
You can visually test this by hopping on a mid-distance character like Urgot and going auto>kite>auto input in very quick succession. His medium range makes it very easy to tell that he walks up to the inner attack radius and stops there until his auto is ready.
Additionally, if you start your kite from inside of this radius rather than outside, there will be no movement at all. You'll just auto, kite back, and as soon as you input your attack your model will stop moving. So there's a completely set inner radius off of which attack inputs made too quickly function.
From what I've been told from some older players, this is most likely an intended mechanic that was implemented a long time ago to prevent champions from simply stopping at maximum range, getting that range broken immediately, and ending up getting the attack input cancelled or getting some weird stutter-step chase.
@@Phylaris True i just skimmed over the inner attack radius because it seemed to intuitive to me. Maybe it is when the hitboxes of the champions touch or something? Just speculation ofcause.
I agree that it is an intendet mechanic to prevent stutter stepping since it is why i even wrote my comment but it was pretty poorely written :D
could you do evelynn full clear?
But you play ivern.
lol how op are u
I think it's plain wrong to try to discourage people from watching this, if they don't want to min-max their clear. Not that every jungler that doesn't even play ranked would absolutely need to understand this utterly and in depth, but it helps tremendously to be simply awakened to the existence of such mechanics as the distance bug. Also, you sound like it's 50 minute video or something. It's just 10 minutes.
watcing thae bad kite hurts my eyes
:O
seem you waste time no ?
if you do lose because u S key'd then your AA was up but you weren't in range. But just clicking the monster is wayy too risky, I'd S.
:)
I get so fucking tilted when I watch people talk about clearing effectively and don't krug dance
krug dance only works if you want to save hp
@@truffleworm1490 ye so its free,why not then, unless u cant hit aoe spell if u dance it like gragas e or sth
@@TheCiaastek it's worse because of the position you end up on
You don't really need to Krugs dance on all champions. It's purely used to save health, which isn't too relevant in a lot of cases because the champions end up pretty much full health at Raptors anyway. I just don't really bother on Viego because he clears with full health by Raps, and the medium Krug bugging around tends to make your Q miss it sometimes. Granted the Krugs clear in the Viego clip at the start is pretty sloppy anyway, lmao.
I'd also note that Krugs dancing isn't always the best way to save health on some champions. Forced creepblocking via bend-pulls saves more health than Krugs dancing can in many cases, because you can avoid damage from the big Krug rather than the medium Krug. This is an older video, but it's a good example of this being used - th-cam.com/video/aEEmNdur4dc/w-d-xo.html.
sometimes you don't need to because you clear healthily anyways.