Midna's Tragic Backstory (Zelda Theory)
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- The Twili from Twilight Princess have a mysterious origin, bearing characteristics from the gerudo tribe. Could it be that this dark race of people from one of the most beloved Zelda titles is related to the same people group that the champion Urbosa is from? Join me as we discuss this topic with the one and only Hyrule Gamer!
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Will we see a return of the Twili in a future Zelda game?
Check out the partner theory over on HG's channel, right here! th-cam.com/video/AQViIjvWV3U/w-d-xo.html
Hi i like your vids
i think it could happen to see midna again would be a dream come true for me.
(i love her imp form.)
Eventually in some form or another. The Gerudo and Interlopers(Shiekah Defectors), I think, the intermingling of these Shieka and Gerudo allowed for what we are seeing today in BoTW. Also there could have been a shiekah reimergance if the loyalist shieka were sent to the future to lay low until hyrule needed them. Impa was the last Shieka, or so its believed to be in OoT. Theres no way there should be more than one descendent of hers per generation(in the game) let alone a whole entire village and even a new defector clan. Its rediculous. I dont believe the Twili could evolve back in Hyrules overworld they would die from light exposure and get sick albeit slower than what occured with Midna. I do believe tho that if they did it would be under the aid of strong magic. Shiekah seem to border on the Technological aspect of the magic in Zelda. Theres a mix of normal magics we've seen and the shiekas technological thumb print for performing magic. I feel that the Gerudo's, Shiekahs, and the new Zonai all represent the triforce as some sort of servant with a lean toward Power, Wisdom, and Courage respectively. Idk need more info. This vid had excellent insight into it. I kind of think that the game events that stranspire after Twilight Princess with another hero down the timeline. Would be a link to the New Game. I hope that this game brings time travel because. Givinh us a 10,000 year span story and then the healing for 100 years just seem like they would add something. Maybe we'd prevent the events of calamaty ganon 10,000 years ago by going back in time and sealing ganonforf with the zword of evils bane rather than that arm magic
Wow what inspiration and stating of facts! Ganondorf and the Twinrova Kotake and Kogame used dark magic. This would explain the nature of the banishment of the Twili and what caused Midna to destroy the mirror out of guilt.
Ok
The oof sound effect when the sage of water dies gets me 😂
It's actually "boom!" It's Anakin Skywalker.
These sages are not the same sages as in OOT right?
what about when the Interlopers vaporized Link?
@@henkkoelewijn4009 I assume they aren't as most of the sages of ocarina awaken as a result of Link's quest, after a 7 year gap where ganondorf probably kills the original sages.
@@hanburgundy4317 it also appears during the interloopers sceen
The Twili are descended from the Dark Interlopers, whose identity hasn't really been gone into. It's possible they were multiple races, including Sheikah and Gerudo.
All the answers were in the Shadow Temple but they have been lost to time and all that remains is legends.
The Fused Shadows have a sheikah symbol, the Twili are also powerful with magic, just like the Sheikah.
What if the interlopers are both Sheikah and Gerudo, since the Gerudo are mostly women they need a way to produce children so some powerful Gerudo witches got with some strong Sheikah who were power hungry and that whole group made the fused shadow and other dark magic stuff then got banished
@@breebug1187 Also, the same dudes created Majora's Mask.
They are ancient Sheikh defectors, the first. Am I the only one who feels like Twilight Princess made this very very clear? They don''t say it, but they outright imply it with that cutscene of the dark links.
I made a theory where I went over the idea that every human that enters the twilight, that being gerudo, sheikah and hylians will all turn into the same type of twili. There is a lot of evidence in the games that actually support this idea.
Great video by the way!
I always thought the small Twili was a Goron.
Yess! That’s the most plausible theory I’ve seen yet I think
Not all of them. Most individuals do not, and instead turn into a spirit-like form. Even Ganondorf couldn't thrive in Twilight. That's why he manipulated Zant.
@@littlezork yes, but if the one who split the triforce reunites the pieces, he will be granted a wish
Yeah because on midnas human form outfit there's an eye on the back that looks like the sheikah eye, as well as on her helmet, and in the throne room zant was in in this video there are glowing light symbols like there are in the wind waker and botw
The Interloper war took place long before OoT, the Arbiteres Grounds would have been built then, not over the Spirit Temple. The Interlopers were probably a mix of different races, not one single race, this is indicated by the symbols on the Fused Shadow, the Majora eye, the Shiekah eye and Gerudo snakes, as well as the symbol on Zant's robes. There is no indication that the Gerudo were sent away en mass through the mirror after OoT.
They cover that, there is no hard evidence outside of HH that the interloper war occured in any other timeline, meaning that it's entirely plausible it happened after the civil war. The idea that ganondorf could have even been exiled after link's tattling on him is entirely possible, and so is him returning from beyond hyrule with a invading force, augmented by loyalist gerudo and traitorous Hylians. The Interloper war occuring during or after Majora's Mask isn't really far fetched at all far less so then the Spirit Temple being remodeled even, and the presence of something like the fused shadow would give a fitting warrior's end to Child Timeline OoT Link. It's stated that the interlopers manage to break the seal on/were in a position to obtain the triforce only for the light spirits to intervene, pulling the rug out from under them after they won. Remember you have one of the kings most trusted advisors being thrown under the rug by the testimony of some kid that leaves soon after calling Ganondorf a traitor.
@@mindsight9732 Why wouldn't we listen to Hyrule Historia regarding this? Setting that point aside, building a prison in such a short time frame, in enemy territory no less, makes no sense. Based on how the Sand Goddess statues are in prominent positions it's likely the Gerudo assisted in its construction. And of course if the Gerudo were responsible for the Fused Shadow, wouldn't we have seen it in OoT? Ganondorf himself talks about Midna's people as if they were unrelated to him, he wouldn't talk about his own people who were imprisoned at the same time as him like that.
While I agree with you I owe Bally think the interloper war was much earlier than OoT, there is actually evidence that the arbiters ground was built on, in or over the spirit temple. Other than Hyrule historia the architecture inside and symbols are all very Gerudo. Also just because some Gerudo followed Ganondorf doesn't mean they all did, some may have helped Hyrule to overthrow him and then gone into exile further into the desert. Hence why they don't appear in TP and Gerudo city is in the deep open desert by the time of BOTW.
The sand goddess statues are more or less hylia. Also anyone who played botw remembers the statue of the 7 sages puzzle and you find out theres another statue of an outcast sage or outcast race, maybe the race that became the twili? Its also thought the twili were once a faction of the shiekah.
@@Shotnthdark Mostly because we shouldn't trust HH as anything more then a guideline in general, particularly when it's the only thing that has anything to say about the matter unless it's been reverified, when the Interloper war occurred it is our sole source of where on the timeline it could be besides TP saying it happened before TP. There also is no strong evidence linking the Gerudo as being Twili, it's just a common theory based on the mix of symbols we see in and arround the Twili. Few Gerudo meet the qualifications of being magic users and the interlopers are implied to have come from beyond hyrule and been skilled in magic. Even Nabooru is calling Ganondorf into question about the time Link Leaves the deku tree, and after OoT, The Gerudo are shown celebrating with the rest of hyrule in the adult timeline. Even HG states that Twili being Gerudo is just a common theory, not a perfect one. Stranger still is the implication there was a second male alive (the king) to distrust the look in zant's eye and not pass ruling power to him, as the gerudo are largely implied to have problems birthing males and depend on other races to sustain there population. Even assuming the Twili are mixbreeds based on biology and symbol-ology it still implies the Gerudo were not uniformly banished. A large portion of the Spirit Temple being converted to the arbitor grounds is based on things that are not found/shown in both games. We have to assume that there wasn't a collosseum in OoT, and that Hyrule never had a presence in the desert during and before OoT. We also have to assume the Spirit Temple is Gerudo in origin, but we have justificable cause to believe it's Zuna in origin, merely appropriated by the Gerudo, and that there aren't more structures in the desert like the desert palace in the downfall timeline, or the Pyramid in 4SA. Even with all that out of the way, the presence of Hylian Gibdos in TP and the Stallord make it even less clear that it was a prison. To say the Gerudo were put to slave labor to tear down a temple of all things in the desert just to build a fancy exile portal is a bit extreme, particularly when you consider all the OoT temples are supposed to be places where the sacred realm was thin enough for Ganondorf's corruption to leak through during the adult timeline, which would mean the spirit temple is highly important to the Hylian, and the desert was the location of a timegate in SS.
I think it’s far more likely that the twili are descended from a group of Sheikah traitors. They feature the Sheikah eye on pretty much all of their architecture and artifacts, and an in game line from Ganondorf disproves the idea that he is the twilight king that was lost to greed. When talking to Midna Ganondorf refers to the twili as “your people”, and mocks their magic as being inferior to his. He says a few other things too that indicate he is separate from them and not their king
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I've been recently reading the Zelda: Twilight Princess manga, and it was confirmed that the Twili are descended from the Interlopers, who, like Ganondorf, were banished to the Twilight realm by whomever came before events of TP.
It also explains why Midna had a piece of the fused shadow, using it as a helmet.
There are two huge problems with the idea of the Twili being descendants of the Gerudo:
1. There are too many male Twili. Among the Gerudo, only one male is born every century.
2. Even if the Gerudo were being banished into the Twilight Realm, they would quickly die out on their own. There is no way that a population could survive with only one male every hundred years.
I'm thinking the interlopers were either a conglomerate of Triforce seekers OR Shiekah betrayers to Hyrule. Midna's helmet has a Shiekah eye on it in the back, seems to connect the two firmly.
Its actually possible. There is an animal in real life that went from being sexual to being a asexual, and back to being sexual. This is after spending millions of yrs as asexual. It is very possible that the mutations that changed then into the Twili, caused them to revert back and start creating males as it was needed. Gerudo would've originally had many males, like normal, but due to a change and mutation, stop making males. They could've kept that genetic information and started to actively expressing it once again.
They have gerudo symbols in the twilight realm too. And if you consider they’re no longer sheikah and gerudo but now the twili, the aspect of the gerudo almost exclusively being women wouldn’t really apply now
Am I tripping or is no one mentioning that there wouldn't be enough time for the gerudo to evolve into the twili, and even if it was an immediate change when they were sent to the twilight realm, the gerudo symbol wouldn't have changed that quickly
@Keijo
We don't know how much time has passed between OoT and TP. Aonuma said it's only 100 years, but that's nowhere near enough time for the entire topography of the land and physicality of the races to charge so drastically. So, it's easy to dismiss that quote as a throwaway generalization of "time passed".
Moreover, time could pass differently in the Twilight Realm than in Hyrule - like Narnia.
Throwing out a bit to this theory:
It would explain why Zant feels ENTITLED to the throne, OoT states that when a male Gerudo is born he becomes their king. Perhaps this is why he resents Midna so much, because she refused to step aside for the Gerudo tradition?
Except Twili were the opposite it seemed like. One female and the rest male. Lol
It wasn’t only the Gerardo that we’re banished. There had to have been some sheikah who were traitors who were also banished with them. The sheikah throughout the Zelda lore have constantly gotten arrogant and became traitors to the hylian crown. You can see the evidence for their existence in the twili through the red eyes (Ganondorfs are more a ruddy brown not red, whereas ALL of the original sheikah who were pure bloods had red eyes) and there are sheikah symbols on midna’s clothes and everywhere in the twilight realm. When both the traitorous sheikah and the Gerudo who aligned with them (the interlopers) were banished, they carried on and formed new lives in the twilight realm and intermarried the two races. The twili were not banished at the same time as ganondorf. The narrative tells the story about the interlopers and it has nothing to do with the ocarina of time storyline or ganondorf. It either happened before ganondorfs banishment and was linked to the hylian civil war or it happened after ganondorf’s banishment. Remember, thousands of years go by between each game (unless it’s a direct sequel).
Double twilight princess goodness im all over it!
3:00 - “decided unaminussly” lol 😂
I personally favor the idea that the interlopers were Sheikah. But it's super interesting seeing that while symbols in Twilit culture bear resemblance to the Sheikah eye, there are other symbols resembling Gerudo icons as well. Very cool!
Flaw with the theory in relation to the Twili's last king being Ganondorf: HH states the Interloper War occurred PRIOR to Ocarina of Time. As far as I recall; there's nothing in TP or OoT that contradicts this.
The Hyrule Historia is getting obsolete very quickly.
Interloper War was the Civil War, or shortly after/before it. Interlopers were made up of both Shiekah and Gerudo, or the race that preceded both of the clans: the Garo of Termina.
@@hanburgundy4317 Termina is an alternate realm and it happens in the child timeline, literally after the Sheikah were a thing since SS and the Gerudo being in oot. No way the Sheikah or Gerudo proceded from the Garos.
@Enri Thomas
Termina is a physical place - multiple characters from each land traveled to and from the other: Skull Kid, Link, and the Happy Mask Salesman from Hyrule to Termina, the Deku Butler and his son from Termina to Hyrule, the Gorons knowing about and loving to eat Rock Sirloin from Dodongo's Cavern, and plausibly Kotake and Koume (unlike other doppelgangers, their names are unchanged, and they still wear Gerudo outfits - in theory, they came to Termina from Hyrule during the Interloper War).
The Sheikah existed in Termina 20 years before Skyward Sword was even thought of; them serving the Goddess Hylia - who also hadn't been thought of yet - was a retcon. Therfore, we have to fold it into the existing lore and not force the rest to match it. But, using what we've seen in Skyward Sword, the Sheikah used portals to travel through time and space, so there's nothing there that prevents them from going to Termina.
@@hanburgundy4317 I didn't say it was false I said is alternate to Hyrule. Where, why and when did the buttler and his son go to Hyrule again? Yeah maybe his son knew about the portal that conects Hyrule to Termina but is never stated he went to Hyrule. The Goron ones is weird so I'll give you that however the Koume and Kotake one is the most flawed one solely because these two will give their lives to see the Demon King success in his journey. Why would they want to run? Like I say is an alternative/counterpart realm to Hyrule, reason why most of their habitants look like someone on Hyrule. Lets say for a moment everything you said is real; why is there not a single mention of the Sheikah from any of the gossip stones or better yet someone knowing about them in Termina? And don't come with "currently non wouldn't know what happened like what 300 decades or so" because you seem to be very sure of what you are saying and the fact that neither the ms and triforce don't exist in Termina when Link goes there. If Termina existed before SS then not only the Gerudo are supposed to be in SS but both the ms and triforce would be in Termina when, again, Link goes there in child timeline. Now Cremia does have the triforce in her belt but it could possibly be because devs where rushing and forgot to take that out. Oh yes there's something preventing them from going to Termina and is called Aonuma and cronological events. Aonuma said Termina is paralel to Hyrule and Hyrule didn't exist in SS or prior to it therefore Termina didn't exist either.
This one is to your first comment. If both the Sheikah and Gerudo proceed from Garos then: why are there more than one male in the Sheikah race and not only one like Gerudo? Why are they so different in both size, weaponry, technology, skin and hair color, combat style, etc?
"Is Midna still alive?"
after 10 000 years? don't want to break your heart, but she might not be...
:P
puline397 Remember she has magic. And she is a Twili. Not a Hylian.
@Anastasia Adair ,well, must be fun living for 10,000 years, i guess. But considering the similarities between the races and magic or not, i don't really see her living that long. Maybe an incarnation of her, similar to Link and Zelda, but not the same Midna:)
puline397 You got me there, though. But honestly. It’d still be cool to see an incarnation of Midna!
@@puline397 maybe time could flow differently in the realm of twilight but ya shes probably long gone
She could possibly survive, when Ganondorf was banished to the realm, he came back pretty much at the same age from what I can gather, time might run differently there
There is a theory around that says that the dark interlopers come from Termina, in Majora's Mask. I don't remember the video where I saw this, but it gave quite a nice explanation I must say, even giving a reasonable explanation to the mechanic of flipping the Stone Tower to go through a portal in the sky. Having said this, I do think that it still fits with this theory in the sense that maybe these dark interlopers are nothing else but the Gerudo from Termina. It would still fit with everything you said.
Having said that, I am personally impressed with this video. I wasn't buying it until you pointed out the jewelry that Midna uses in the head and how it compares to the one that Ganondorf has been multiple times shown using. From that point onwards I switched my opinion and think that yes, you are completely correct.
I don't buy it at all.
As far as I'm aware the Twili are descended from the interlopers.
The interloper war happened long before the events of Ocarina of Time and the creation of the Arbiter's Grounds. That is presuming that the grounds were built over the Spirit Temple.
I can buy that the interlopers might have been an earlier group of Gerudo, sure. But the rest is off.
@@TrueKoalaKnight Well, in Majora's Mask the region of Ikana has long been left deserted. Especially the Stone Tower. Besides the King and his attendants, no other... Ikanan? is present. Then, it fits with the theory since if we compare we can say that both things match well enough to say that they are the same people.
@@TrueKoalaKnight the arbiters grounds were made after Oot. So it would be reasonable to assume that's when the imprisonment took place. It's not a short gap between Oot and To.
Your theory would explain why their magic was seen as an affront to the goddesses. Termina doesn't have the same gods as Hyrule. The connection between the fused shadow and majora's mask would is a strong link and when we are talking about artifacts that can pull the moon down from the heavens the gods might get a bit annoyed.
I don't personally agree with the theory but it's a good thought.
Emmanuel That's my theory :D I explain it (most of it) in detail in another comment here. Garo, portals, Twinmold, Lanayru, the Gerudo, the Shiekah, etc.
I think the twili are a mix of Gerudo and Sheikah, and that's why they have characteristics of both races.
While this theory does have merit I think that there is a high chance that the Twili are descended, or partially descended, from a rival branch of the Shiekah.
The reasons being; the Sheikah are known as the ‘shadow folk’, they have distinct red eyes, and are very skilled at magic (technology).
Also if you look at the back of Midna’s fused shadow helmet, there is a symbol of an eye that looks very similar, if not identical, to the Sheikah eye emblem.
6:05 I love the longing you can hear in his voice
One thing I noticed in my recent play through of TTP was the howling stones, and their sheikhs imagery, with the whistling noise heard upon approaching being due to the “eye hole” that has been carved out.
Awesome work man! The video turned out amazing and as always it's been a pleasure to work with you! :D
Until next time my friend :)
2 of my favorite youtubers. Thanks for all your hard work guys ♥
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I always thought that the twili and interlopers were sheikah🤔
How dare you insult Zane’s fashion sense!
I would wear his outfit in public
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If we ever return to The Twilight I hope Midna recognizes Link
She would recognize him, but she wouldn't know him.
Probably recognize him but given that Link wouldn't be the same Link she knows she would probably think she just confused him with someone(Link of course). That and assuming she is still alive.
"Without wasting time he was (...) brought to justice"
One great world building aspect of TP is how realistically it portrays real life politics. Meaning *before the decision to execute Ganondorf, a criminal committing high treason against the entire kingdom of Hyrule, was finalized, enough time passed to literally span generations, with a new Princess being born who is older than the one from OoT and the entire landscape changing due to time.*
I love bureaucracy.
Good theory, good compelling evidence! However, there's also some good compelling evidence that the Twili are descended from the Sheikah, so I'm now wondering if perhaps the interlopers were former Sheikah, with the Gerudo being introduced to the Twilight Realm later and intermarrying with the people already there?
I think the most likely theory is that the interlopers were a group that included multiple races and thats why the symbol bears a resemblance to the Gerudo but isn't identical, they either took aspects from all the races' symbols that joined and it just happened to end up looking closer to Gerudo then any of the others or the Gerudo started it and/or were the race that had the highest number in the interlopers so their symbol started as the Gerudo's and was changed to represent it wasn't only Gerudo.
@@GrimmShadowsII This. And/or the Gerudo and the Sheikah have a shared ancestor. Both have red eyes (prior to Breath of the Wild) and are the only human race to have this feature. Both practice dark magic. Both are shrouded in legend and mystery. Both swore fealty to the Royal Family and betrayed them.
Nebula the Nebulous there is ZERO evidence of that. Period.
Edit: you’ve been mislead by conspiracy theorists from older channels who fed you baseless crap.
@@ededdynedd Which part do you feel he is mislead about? The Twili feature both the Sheikah eye and the Gerudo dragonfly emblems all throughout their clothing and iconography. Zant is even implied to be the only male and as such - due to Gerudo custom - he is supposed to be king; he even wears the Gerudo dragonfly emblem on his clothing. His magic is dark and employs the use of hands, very similar to Sheikah magic and the Twilight Realm is lit by Sols which are also quite similar to Sheikah technology.
@@hanburgundy4317 Huh? I'm not talking about this Channel. I'm talking about another well known Zelda theory channel by a chronic overthinker. Overthinking that Nintendo actually wrote some uber complicated backstory. They didn't. But they sure as hell projected their fanfiction into it. Twi Realm's similarity to Sheikah tech is A: not actually similar any more than any other magic system in Zelda, and B: was done before "Sheikah tech" was even a thing in their minds. I've seen these hacks poison the Zelda fan base with these baseless "theories" going so far as to begin to see things that weren't actually there (like seeing a Sheikah symbol on Zant's throne that was so blurry on top of it being very different from the symbol, but they used it anyway as a desperate reach). So... I'm glad this channel is helping to do away with that stupidity. It was because they read a manga that said the Sheiks once betrayed the kingdom and that's why there's a "tear" on the symbol. Nintendo declared the manga non-canon and that origin is really stupid in the manga too, it makes no sense. But that's alllll they based it on.
There could be splinter groups, but those who did have only ever been revealed in BotW, and their symbol is changed because they are not Sheikah. And that story has nothing to do with Twilight's story, which exists in its own bubble as Nintendo always does. Only in recent times has Nintendo come around to actually thinking up a cohesiveness to the overall narrative. They didn't back then, and the following Hyrule History helped put that question to rest, along with this bad theory.
Great video as usual. Another thing to note is that its been speculated that the Interlopers were closely tied with the Sheikah of the past. Now I personally don't believe the Sheikah are strictly a "race" but more of a group that would be willing to use anyone who can further their cause, so maybe Gerudos were part of it, and might explain why by OoT they are outcasts from Hyrule. But also SS makes it sound like they were a separate race of people who stayed behind instead of being lifted into the sky like the Hylians were. Also really would like a clear definition on the differences between
Humans and Hylians since both exist in Zelda
I always thought that the Gerudo were decendants of Groose. The warrior attitude, red hair and golden eyes...
@@IdleLancer, yeah, and his lineage accidentally gave birth to the most evil being this franchise has ever known. Sad that it's the guy who developed the most in the exact same game said to be the origin of this franchise that also has such a despicable descendant..
Wow I'm definitely going to watch this now
Oh Hell yes! Twili time 👏
I just found your channel, and the ironic thing is that the twili are my favourite race from The Legend of Zelda series and this video was uploaded on my birthday. Huh, what a coincidence.
Earned a new sub Oh wait already subbed!
You love to see it mate.... nice to see you......back with a new video.
Brock! Sir! It’s been a while!
Bandit! It has indeed....but I am glad to hear from you and in such a way.
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Interesting... I've seen many theories that the Twili were ancient Shiekah (the theory being that the Interlopers were Shiekah who broke away from the Royal Family, much like the Yiga, and were then banished to the Twilight Realm), but I've never seen a theory about them being Gerudo. I love new theories!
That's the best theory I heard in a while
My first Zelda game I played was actually Twilight Princess so I love these theory's about the game.
Ya got me with the search bar. I had to like it now!!
I 100% agree with the similar imagery from Zant's robe to the Gerudo symbol! The crosses still go around the orb on each side. There is a seperate top and bottom with a slight diamond shape. The Gerudo symbol looks wayyyyy friendlier than the Twili's though lol
*The Fused Shadows have a Sheikah Symbol* .
Look at the back of Midna's Fused Shadow piece that she wears as her helmet.
I always thought that the interloper were a mix of sheika, gerudo and hylians, those who couldn't let go of their greed for the triforce and the sacred realm , thus why their new name "the interlopers" rather than just admitting it was one race or another
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Awesome Video
O MY FRICKING HYLIA GOD, I remeber when you had like 3k subs. Not that long ago, or so it feels. I just checked your sub count when HG is here with you. HOLY GANADORF, 43 k SUBS
I feel like I recently watched a video suggesting that a branch of Sheikah/Yeiga were related to the Twili. Makes me wonder if the Twili ended being factions of both that came together to become the interlopers.....
great theory!
I was ALWAYS a Legend of Zelda fan ever since I was 6 when I played my first Zelda game, thanks to my older brother.
I was born in the year 2000 so I didn't get to play the older games back then, but my first game I ever played and the only Zelda game I played on the original game console it came on was Twilight Princess. It will forever be my favorite game ever.
Great theory man! That might also be the reason why the only Gurudo we see in Twilight Princess is Ganondorf
Something is still a mystery for me:
In WW Ganondorf killed two sages and the Master-Sword became "Trash"...
But in TP he killed just one and the Master-Sword is still in its full powered form as the Blade of evil's Bane.
But why?!?
The sages that prayed to power up the Master Sword are different to the elemental Seven Sages.
For instance, In Ocarina of Time, the Master Sword doesn't change in any way as Link awakens the Sages.
First off, love your vids and Hyrule Gamer as well. Well done on a great theoretical history lesson although it does have great points that I did enjoy, I still can't get over the fact that their ancestry in the video might be wrong. don't get me wrong my first Zelda game was Twilight Princess and I love the Zelda series!
My point being the Twili may have similar hair and eye color to the Gerudo but the same can be said for Skyward Sword's Groose, the supposed ancestors to the gerudos; And that's not mentioning BotW's Urbosa and Riju with Green eyes.
Ganondorf is greedy as he seeks power but the Gerudo were merely manipulating as they were following gerudo law; in which when a male is born every 100 years(or so), they become King(which sucks cuz it's always Ganodorf).
Then there is the fact that when a mates with a Voe (a male) they make "another gerudo girl" in which they bring back to the gerudo village.
And for the Interlopers that's was represented by Dark Links in the Twilight Princess Manga, they are you can see a shot of one the "Interlopers" themselves.
( by all means I mean no disrespect this is just my take on it, great vid Tbo)
2:53 do you guys think that this “killing the sage of water” in twilight princess by Ganondorf might have some sort of relation to Ruta’s malfunction at the end of botw?
No
I’d say it’s a coincidence
It's a small possibility
what was rutas malfunction i must’ve missed it??
I'd like to see the return of a few older races. The twili, the picori, and the yetis.
When you pointed out the design on Zant's robes looking like the Gerudo symbol. It got me thinking about the design elements of their helms... Namely the Majora's mask looking eye on Midna's fused shadow. And The almost General Onox style helmet that Zant has. I don't recall the Gerudo being proficient wielders of magic, besides Koume and Kotake. But, that MM eye kinda makes me think they made or discovered something of great power, and got banished for it.
There is a cut-scene right before Link's fight with Zant in LoZ:TP where Zant explains how he first met Ganondorf. Right before Zant is enveloped by Ganondorf's sphere of sand/power, we see him running outside after presumably being denied again by the assumed King of the Twili. If Zant is wearing the Gerudo-like crest prior to devoting his life to Ganondorf (as seen in the cut-scene), then we should have our answer! Also, not all Gerudo were sent to Arbiter's Grounds. Telma from Telma's bar located in South Hyrule Castle Town is Gerudo!
I'mma be the one to say it, Midna's true form is such a baddie.
Smash.
Quick question, I’m probably forgetting the answer to this. How did Ganondorf get the Triforce of Power in Twilight Princess. I thought the Triforce split when Link entered the Temple of Time and Ganondorf touched it. So Ganondorf hasn’t done that yet when Link warned the king. Does Link carry his Triforce piece back and forth through time, or does it leave him when he travels back?
Nice video
Masked Nintendo Bandit's voice is actually fun to listen to. He should read audiobooks.
id only ever heard the theory of the interlopers being sheikah before now because theres a bunch of similarities there too, but this is also super convincing !
gerudo / sheikah origins would doubly make sense tbh
My best friend and I have a strong theory that Twili magic at the very least, the initial interlopers, and much of their tribe are the Sheikah! With the Yiga showing us that they're capable of being evil, it definitely paves the way for our theory. The Sheikah have a notable lack of presence for one in Twilight Princess (save for Hidden Village), much like the Gerudo, which is a given-- however on the back of Midna's Fused Shadow, there's a striking eye engraving that's very eerily similar to the Sheikah eye. A similar eye can be seen on the back of her outfit upon her true from! There's definitely a good mix here, and Sheikah being a part of the Twili tribe would explain why they have males, since the Gerudo are predominantly female. Perhaps their pure white hair, like a cloud touching a twilight sky, became that fiery orange and yellow! It'd also explain the striking crimson eyes, since Gerudo have predominantly golden and green eyes! It's possible that Gerudo Twili and Sheikah Twili have mixed over the ages. ouo7 Sheikah also explain the natural magic some members of the tribe have.
Zant wearing the Gerudo symbol is most likely a tribute to his obsession with Ganondorf, kinda like a cult thing. His way of wearing like a "#1 Ganondorf Fan™" shirt. XD
I believe even Midna had no clue who Ganondorf was until she was told. Still the overall influence is pretty clear!
Awesome theory, guys! I'm hopping over to HG's part! Love you guys both! And keep on theorizing-- you guys have the best Zelda content out there among a few others I follow! ❤
hey now dont diss my bird boy. 6:24 her head piece does also have snakes on it, so that does make sense
I posted this same comment on the other video:
If you go back to the very very earliest iteration of what would become Breath of the Wild. In an early interview it was said that Breath of the Wild would be the sequel to Twilight Princess. I can't say for certain that it still stands but, I like to think it does. I personally think it would be amazing to have it be true and have the Twilight be the Zonai! Along with the underground areas be pathways to Twilight areas with dungeons or a dungeon that leads to a Twilight area for some reason, Maybe to free Midna or bring her back for some reason even if it is just a guid in the Twilight Realms we may visit. Or have her transport us to the next dungeon that can only be accessed by going through portals to the Twilight. Then you would traverse an area in the Twilight to another portal that brings you to a Hyrule area where there is another dungeon with a special item needed to defeat Gannondorf or to traverse the undergrounds or to calm and control Link's new powers. IDK!!?? It's just soo much to think about and hope for and imagine what the outcome will be! But, I do really hope we see the Twilight. Even if it is a mislead to throw us off and make us think the Zonai are the Twilight. But in reality they are just making a brief Cameo to get everyone hyped just to find out they aren't the Twilight. Or have us think they are until almost the end of the game when it is revealed the Zonai are.....(Fill in the Blank) LOL!
The mirror broke, which means there must e shards of it kicking about...what if there’s future weapons, or utilities, that can be functioned in a future game?
Also some of midnas and zants clothing have that light turquoise blue color like the luminous stones in breath of the wild. It seems even closer to the radiant armor, which is only sold by the Gerudo in the gerudo secret club.
There are many strong points to this argument, but you left out one key detail; the Mirror of Twilight can be used as many times as necessary. As told by Midna in Twilight Princess, the Dark Interlopers were banished by use of the Mirror. The Mirror of Twilight was then later used by the Hylians as it would be, to their knowledge, a fate worse than death for the worst criminals. Like Ganondorf.
Let's also not forget that there have been many wars between the Hylians and Gerudo, so it is possible that many Gerudo, possibly even a previous, unknown incarnation of Ganondorf, were sent there as punishment.
Given time, the descendants of the Interlopers and the sealed Gerudo would form a new society in their prison, eventually giving rise to the Twili we all know and love today.
MNB:Zant's clothing is the most similar thing to the gerudo symbol throughout all the games.
Urbosa's buckle: Am I a joke to you
my own theory expands off of this--namely, offshoots of the Gerudo, Sheikah, and if you wanna bring botw into it possibly Yiga and Zonai, composed the interlopers instead of just one race. as far as what race the interlopers started amongst, again if you wanna bring botw into it my theory is the Zonai (lots of comparisons there, but would be a great way to reintroduce the Twili to the franchise), but disregarding that, i would assume they possibly started among the Gerudo like stated here, or some Sheikah defectors. i could probably do a whole "pepe silvia" rant about my weird lore connections re: Twili but i've nowhere near the video-crafting skills yall do, but as i have been thinking about this a LOT lately you can imagine how stoked i was to see not just this vid, but HG's new upload ready for me as well! thanks c: off to check out his vid now
My only problem was that there is a need of centuries so those gerudo wizards or witches could evolve to be twili. which would need to be previous to ganondorf so if these people previous to ganondorf did get banished they would have never met ganondorf in the first place so it doesnt have sense for the twili to worship him or for him to be twili king. Ofc zant worships him because he saw him as a godlike entity that empower him to take thr throne. Other than that this was a fun theory. Im up to think that the twili could be centuries old evolved gerudo, but kinda crazy so those would have already met ganon
I always found it it funny how Veran and General Onyx both have similar characteristics that are similar to the Twili race (Princess Midna and King Zant). Both are considered to be antagonists, are working with Ganon and are affiliated with Twinrova. Both also wear Gerudo regalia embroidered with the Gerudo symbol, yet don’t directly “look” Gerudo. I’ve always considered the Gerudo race were forced into exile by the Hylian kingdom in a means to prevent any future “Ganondorfs” from being born, as it is known throughout history that every 100 years, a man is born into the Gerudo tribe which is primarily a matriarchal tribe. Perhaps this was a way of “ethnic cleansing” as a means of preventative action. Twilight Princess was supposed to be one of the darkest Zelda entries in the franchise, so this doesn’t seem to be too far fetched. I was upset when I first played Twilight Princess in 2007 and discovered that there were no Gerudo residing in the Gerudo Desert. They were a race of misunderstood people, who were cursed by Ganon, and punished unjustly by the Royal Family of Hyrule. That’s just what I’ve assumed over the last decade, I suppose.
Personally I believe the Twili are the Zonai. It makes a lot of sense if you conect the type of magic the Twili are shown to use and the limited information we have on the Zonai.
3:03 “...decided unaminously”
6:45 haha fish head go brr
I should probably also mention that Veran from the oracle games has a striking resemblance to the twili, has the symbol of the gerudo on her shoulders and is a servant of Twinrova.
Dang. The Zant symbol, the greedy king reference, and the position of Arbiters grounds are super convincing. It's interesting to think about Ganondorf using his people so carelessly, given they were kinda his incentive to attack Hyrule before wind waker. At least that's how I see his WW dialogue, since a safe kingdom is not worth anything to him alone, with godlike strength to protect himself.
I don't think it's useful to theorize about why elements of old games are in breath of the wild tho, since its been pulled away from the timeline more clearly than any other game. Nintendo is making a new start with lore, I think, and Breath of the Wild is the foundation for a separate, yet not unconnected string of games, allowing more creativity than before.
Maybe the Twili (descendants of the interlopers) were related the dark hexing tribe mentioned in Majoras mask who disappeared (maybe there is more than one connection to the twilight realm that is unknown?). The fused shadow does look kind of similar to majoras mask. "According to legend... the troubles caused by Majora's Mask were so great... the ancient ones, fearing such catastrophe, sealed the mask in shadow forever, preventing its misuse..." The interlopers were sealed into the fused shadow (by 4 light spirits similar to the 4 giants) and the dark powers of just a fragment can cause a transformation like what happened to Darbus similar to how skull kid changed entirely when he put on the mask. Zant said it was "ancient and withered." Which means it has been around a lot longer than either Zant or Midna. which fits really well into the timeline to be honest.
That is a good theory big time. Is water start this now what if the Twilight people were geudo race
There are good points for sure but I can't help but thinking of the Twili as possibly Sheikah too, their use of magic, their link to shadows with their whole theme of twilight. Maybe it could be a mix of both, since it is also true that the Sheikah and Gerudo are the two people we saw make use of magic the most in the series that I know of
What editing software do you use??
Twilight Princess was a great game!
There's one other little problem in gerudo's emblem, thats not the "original" one Nintendo change it, it was an moon with a star.
I was hoping you would also mention the interlopers
I always found it kinda weird that the Twili had such a huge importance in Twilight Princess but were never mentioned in any other game. Guess it would make sense if they had actually been in most games all along
Me: _Watching quietly and intently_
2:53 "Oof"
almost made me choke on my drink it was surprising and funny.
it’s been a WHILE since i’ve seen anyone try to make a case about the twili being gerudo. i feel like most of us saw the fused shadow and connected them to the sheikah
The crest design on zants red cloth thing is also extremely similar to the design on the mouth piece of links female gerudo outfit
The light spirits explanation puts the twilis exile way before the hyrule civil war. The idea that the hyrule king may have ordered to destroy gerudo holy land is not out of question as they do actually run with ganondorf. But I think they would have suffered normal exile being forced out of their homes only to return in later games cause they reclaimed ancient gerudo lands through negotiation. Regarding the interlopers I think they were their own race. They were exile for their greed. But strangely enough they found a good life in the twilight with their magic. They made their own sons their own architecture and their own way of life until ganondorf ruined it. At the end the twili knew about the mirror but stayed away from trying to open it from the other side.
They Twili were the descendants of the so called "dark interlopers" who were said to be powerful magic wielders. The Gerudo weren't magical though (unless you count Twinrova) they're a race of warrior women. So I find it hard to believe that ancient Gerudo's were referred to as powerful magic wielders
This theory is solid but we can also say due to the twilight they evolved stated by midna in the manga and also they may come ack in kingdom of the tears
I personally believe that the Twili are descended from the...Zonai. Yup,another Zonai theory. It makes sense though.From what we can see,Their architecture is ancient,and has a similar style to the fused shadow,another thing is,the Interlopers and the Twili we're powerful magic users,both of them existed in ancient times and vanished from the face of history.There is still more evidence to support this.The Twili have red hair and what did the barbarian armour set have? Red hair.My final piece of evidence is the Twili magic,aside from that fused shadow cutscene,its represented by an eerie green light,the light from the green hand in the botw 2 trailer which is theorised to be from a zonai,has green glowing energy.All the evidence here matches up,if it isn't the Zonai who are the interlopers then it's probably some rogue sheikah,they had magic,or maybe some random new tribe we don't know at all.
Actually my first zelda game was twighlight princess
I think it's more likely that if Gerudo were banished to Twilight, they _integrated_ with the Twili descended of Interlopers from a much more distant historical event. I don't think the Light Spirit would have to present the story of the Interlopers in such metaphorical, abstract mythological terms about the banishment of Gerudo a century or two ago. But I could believe that Hyrule might look at the Mirror and say, "I'll just put these [Gerudo] with _the rest of the exiles"_ out of convenience.
Then again, if they were going to sweep a conquered nation under the magical rug... why build a whole prison? They may instead have given the Gerudo life sentences, unable to operate the Mirror, and stored the artifact in their max-security installation.
Makes sense that Gerudo criminals (and heinous criminals in general) were banished to the twilight realm considering the emblem of twili. Remember that people exposed to twilight lose their "form", turning into spirits. However, it is possible for people banished to turn into twilight creatures.
Honestly, it wouldn't be hard to gather up enough evidence to convict Ganondorf. At the beginning of OoT, Zelda says her father dismisses her concerns because he thinks she's just an imaginative child, but Link and the Kokiri and can testify to the Great Deku Tree being dead and having pinned the blame squarely on him, and both the Gorons and Zoras have witnesses to him directly threatening them for their spiritual stones and then making good on those threats. Plus a lot of his own people, including his second in command, know all about his deeds and would jump at the chance to get rid of him. Honestly, I kinda wanna see someone do a Phoenix Wright-style courtroom scene with everyone testifying against Ganondorf and him struggling to make excuses or pin the blame on someone else.
I love Midna so much ...I want to see her again ...
The Interlopers were Gerudo magic users; the henchmen and conspirators of the demon king Ganondorf? Absolutely.
Some of them were worshipers of the Great Demise, that's for sure.
The interlopers could be sheika, since they did work with dark arts with could create the fused shadows. This could be why a mojority of them are gone. Also ganondorfs army probley was the geurdos
You guys should just create a collective theory channel together
An old theory that i've watched (Though I don't remember who made it because it's been a really long time) Made a possible link between the twilight and the ancient ones from stone tower temple in majoras mask due to similarities in the dark magic a possible portal into hyrule and the similarities between the majoras mask and the fused shadow. Makes me wonder if it's possible that the twilight people are a mix of both races as the interlopers themselves would have been of the race known as the ancient ones from majoras mask, And then the gerudo were later banished as well. In my personal opinion it seems more likely to me this is possible due to the fact there are definitely male members (tho gerudo do have one male every hundred years and I suppose zant could be that one) but with the gerudo being all female, they must have mingled with someone else within the realm, those being the race that the interlopers come from which came to hyrule through a portal above stone tower temple then were banished to the twilight realm)