As a spaniard I love Portugal , everytime I go there people are polite, educated and nice , I always felt welcomed , I recommend to visit Portugal is a great country with great people , history and culture.
As a Portuguese I love my neighbours Spain. We don't care who wins this or that unless it's football, lol. We are the same people sharing 1 peninsula, we are Iberian.
But Portugal is selling "citizenships" to foreigners in exchange for "$ 500 K plus investments into real estate which makes it impossible for Portugues to ever buy a house. In Port 30% of Real Estate is totally demolished - not even enough of walls to call them a hole in the wall. People working online with capitalist incomes move there to benefit from lower expenses.
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp you need to relax for real. You're just spamming videos at this point and you're saying things that aren't accurate. 90% of home purchases in Portugal are Portuguese. The Golden Visa by Real Estate Investment doesn't exist anymore.
No rivalry here, love Spain from the bottom of my heart. Meeting a Spanish fella overseas is always a joy, I think both countries identify strongly with their peninsula, and that's always fun.
It depends where in Portugal. The Algarve is not the Mediterranean, but it's quite close. Maybe the Mediterranean has just one more summer month than the Algarve.
haha, yeah, especially those of us living north of the tejo really feel that, the beaches in mafra are incredibly cold with rough waters year round, great for surfers though
I've lived in both countries, a few years in each. I much prefer Portugal, but that's a personal choice, although my family agrees with me. We currently live in Silves, Algarve, and love it...
From a Portuguese man that goes to Spain very often: Portugal is cute and lovely and packs a heck of a lot of variety into a small size. The small towns and cities are quaint, each with its unique charm, well organized and clean. But, comparatively, Spain is a larger place and has a better access to Central Europe and, thus, is a much better place to work as a hub. Life in the small towns and cities is similar to Portugal's but both Madrid and Barcelona are huge, bustling world cities, much larger and with more "weight" than both Lisboa and Porto. Portugal is great if you just want to chill but if you want to open up a business or anything of the sort, then Spain is more "eager to engage", if that even makes sense. Portuguese beaches are more visually appealing (personal opinion) but the Atlantic waters are much colder than the Mediterranean ones, even in the Algarve. Portuguese food is somewhat different than Spanish food but both countries sport fantastic understated cuisines that only recently have garnered some attention. Social life is great on both sides of the border but more lively and "young" on the spanish side and more tranquil and "mature" on the portuguese side. Both countries are awesome, much more alike than they are different and together they form the whole of my favorite part of Europe (and, indeed, of the world): the Iberian Peninsula.
is not that same in spain? and what about expats in portugal in lisbon porto? do they earn enough to rent or still sharing as single? i thnk mosts are still getting about 20-25k annual gross in portugal? so with a more than half or more to rent makes it diffucult to live?
@user4name I was stunned by the rent prices in Algarve as they are the same as Australia and locals earn waaaay less. It was a stock issue. In Southern Spain it is cheaper due to supply
@@ajdrums8075 but as far as i see from numbeo , the spain wage is increasing compared to portugal recently especially for the northen spain, but it is also more expensive than south tho
@@ajdrums8075 but dont have any spanish or basque knowledge , howeever current tax schmese are looking complocated for both countries .not sure the net income
Not surprisingly the Portuguese cuisine has influenced many cuisines around the world back in the days when they went to explore the world by sea. Tempura is actually a Portuguese based dish (peixinhos da Horta) and also the Japanese castela sponge cake has Portuguese roots (pão-de-ló); vindaloo is the Indian version of vinha d’alhos. The Piri Piri went by sea to India by boat. There’s a very interesting book called the first global village written by a British author about the Portuguese spice trade and influences at the time . I’m Portuguese and I love Spain. But they’re just a little bit too loud 😂😂 I remember someone writing on a wall in bairro alto: “respect the silence otherwise go to Spain”. I think it says all 😂😅😂Anyway it’s interesting to see a neutral point of view what good and bad both countries have. All the best to you guys. And spite I’m living in Lisbon since 25 years I was born in Porto and lived there till I was 21. Porto has change a lot and for the better
@@gruneldbaksakis7911 não engano não. As pessoas desconhecem os pratos da nossa cozinha lá fora. Para eles comemos frango piri piri bacalhau e sardinhas. E há tão mais do que isso
@@amarco.m Engana e muito. Porque os de lá de fora que não conhecem mundo ou Portugal, não contam para nada. Os que contam são os milhões e milhões que vesitam Portugal e é vê-los a ficar maravilhados com a nossa cozinha e conhecem-na. Basta ires ao youtub e veres os comentarios deles sobre a nossa cozinha. Basta andares com eles nos hoteis e veres como conhecem. Se perguntares a um jogador estrangeiro em portugal, vais ver o que eles falam da nossa cozinha, Agora é claro que um alemão um finlandês ou seja de que país fôr, se nao conhece mundo, como queres que conheça a nossa comida? Pelos livros!!! Eu também só conheci a cozinha de Espanha França Bélgica quando conheci os países. Eu para mim a cozinha italiana é só pizas e massas, mas se calhar se fôr lá fico maravilhado, fico a saber que não.! Seu comentário não tem nexo. Se você pesquisar a cozinha portuguesa esta em 4º lugar como a melhor do mundo como nao é conhecida?🤔🤔 Nao conhece quem nao sai dos país deles, o pessoal que viaja desfruta e bem da cozinha portuguesa conhece e sabe que é muito variada. Repito não engane as pessoas!!! 🤔
I like Spain but we chose to retire in Portugal. As you mentioned, nice people, safe, world-class and affortable medical care. For example, when going out with Portugal people, if they have a car and you don't, they will go out of there way to give you a ride home, even if they do not know you that well. The people in Portugal are so warm and giving. That said, I love the fine dining in Spain and also love their wines. It is a tough chose. See you next week Thursday, another great video.
@@ExpatsEverywhereyour observation of the Spanish is accurate. They can be very direct and rude to guiris/gringos and some hold some resentment and want you to know that. Comically they see themselves as extremely friendly. Americans aren't loud, especially compared to Southern Europeans, no comparison. They are probably a bit louder in general than Brits and other Northern Europeans and that's where the 'loud American' rep comes from.
I am Portuguese and i know Spain well. I agree completely with everything u said, and that was some how a surprise cause i though my evalution would be biased. As for me, despite the problems with our politicians (thou this goes for most of the world), i wouldnt change Portugal for Spain, i am greatful to be Portuguese.
I love both countries but I do think that Portugal is quieter. People are very kind. The country is better organised, looking from traveller's point of view. In my opinion also the best coffee in the world. As I said I really love both but Portugal is closer my heart.
Thanks for supporting the channel. Yes, we (Josh & Kalie) are still in Portugal. We have regular meetups every 4-6 weeks. We put out dates and locations on our social media channels and a sure fire way to see it is by asking Kalie to get on her e-newsletter. (info@expatseverywhere.com) - Josh & Kalie
We have a lot of Portuguese food in Toronto. Big Portuguese community here. I was in Portugal last Summer and loved it. A fish and seafood diet is perfect for me since I'm a pescetarian. Outside of Lisbon, I loved Porto and Coimbra, a smaller university town. Stunning. As per language, I speak Spanish and Portuguese. But I would choose Portugal all the way. Why? I think the people. ❤
I'd say as a Dutch man about friendlyness, yes they both are, but if I had to choose, I'd go with the Spanish. They are a bit more straight than Portuguese, and will tell you faster if they like you or not. I like that attitude, but I understand that for anglo-saxons, especially people from the UK, that's more difficult. Of course, being Dutch, we are even close to being rude, about our attitude towards it, but I like it. I can thus easily pick "my people".
😂😂😂 you made me laugh so hard because it's true! I'm Italian living in Portugal and I'm literally in love with you Dutchies because of your being direct and honest, being exactly like that. Next year I'm moving to Amsterdam, my favourite city in the world! 🧡🧡🧡🧡
I am from Lebanon. I love both countries but i believe Portugal can be suitable for tourism and vacations since it has wonderful sceneries and beaches and it could be cheaper than Spain meanwhile Spain economy is bit stronger with possibility to find better paid jobs. But i send peace wishes for both countries. Hooe to visit them someday
@@ghassanjneinaty4421Para onde quer que vá.....Vá livre, de mente aberta,sem esperar o que contaram,nem no bem, nem no mal.So assim pode dar a sua opinião....
Food is much cheaper in Spain, as is petrol. Many people who live close to the border, rush over to Spain weekly to stock up on both. Not sure about utilities.
I'm sorry but food isn't cheaper in Spain though, at least not the food in restaurants. Also the food in supermarkets depends on the product, it's not like what it used to be decades ago.
@@simplylive2466 Strange that you did, because I'm Portuguese and eating in Spanish restaurants is pretty expensive in general compared to Portugal. In the supermarket prices are mostly the same in both countries - they used to be much cheaper in Spain until a decade ago but these days not so much.
As a portuguese man that goes to Spain quite often: unfortunately it's true. Both the food (at the supermarket, maybe not so much in restaurants) and the fuel are cheaper in Spain. They also earn more on average, to make the imbalance even starker. A pity 'cos Portugal is lovely but living here is increasingly hard.
100%, Laura. Do you think they're like apples and oranges? I'd think more like Gala and Granny Smiths since they're so closely related. In my opinion, both are great apples but they have different applications. One is great to bake with, the other makes good juice, and both can be eaten from the tree. - Josh & Kalie
Diferença? A 150m de distância pé pé pé pé Espanha à vista . 50m distância sesesese....Já passaste a fronteira.Estás em portugal.De resto, tudo boa gente.
I couldnt diferénciate between both of them but taki g them as a whole i have no doubt what IS mi mibdbliwu g for me. You see, we live so close we can visit Portugal for bacalao, caldereta and more....makes me Happy and worth the trip. I LOVE portugués Stone floors and White and black mossics and times. Ubique to Portugal and so beautiful that only portugueses can create such a beYtiful tastefull floors,plazas and old oart flooring. Portuguese bravo for creating duch elegante, tastefull , elegante, ubique touchyou give to certain places,an exersive of good taste and Deep if what beauty canbe creates. Number 1 in Europe and un the península for showi g such a good taste
I live in Alto Alentejo, 2kms from the Spanish border. Trust me, the best option of all is living where you can enjoy both cultures. Some days we shop in Spain, sometimes in Portugal. Some things are definitely cheaper in Spain, (e.g. fuel, gas) Sometimes we eat in Spain, sometimes in Portugal. We have a silly little ritual, celebrating New Year twice each year. Toasting in the New Year in our local Spanish bar, before returning to our own village to do it again.
Amazing video, guys! really! As a Brazilian-Portuguese who has lived in both countries, I agree with everything you said. At the end of the day, I decided to live in Portugal and as a realtor I genuinely help those who want to make the same decision and get their houses or businesses here. Interestingly, I also lived in Brazil and in the US - for a short period of time - and weighing it all I still choose Portugal, according to my life priorities such as safety, quality of life, cuisine, some infrastructure and decent and affordable health care. Anyway, sending my greetings from Ericeira/Lisbon, you guys are great! Helena Badr
Me, as a portuguese living near the spanish border, I deeply know both both cultures and realities. I prefer Spain. Better quality of life no doubt. Good food too. More diversity of climate, more preserved culture, more friendly people in my own point of view (I know well the portuguese and the spanish), and a more rich country.. Northern people from Portugal is not as closed as southern people, and a californian from San Diego and a folk from the Maine, ther´s not much difference from one to another. We can not put a whole country in a bag and say this is this. Iberian peninsula is a mix of different cultures, different languages (at least five). So it´s difficult to compare in terms of where is the best place to live.
@@adelesr4965 Don't know what you're saying but can easily guess it with the world "never". Yep, I got that same feedback from some Spaniards it seems to be a point of mutual understanding between your countries. Love for both of you.
Which part is valuable? Really -- do you know how to make a living in any of these countries? If you consider it as a tourist info piece ok. Otherwise?
Of course Spain being so much bigger will have many more options, and it certainly is a beautiful neighbour, but Portugal isn’t just Lisbon and Porto🤦🏻♀️… have you heard of Coimbra, Leiria, Santarém, Viana do Castelo, Braga, Guimarães, Castelo Branco, Figueira da Foz, Mafra, Almada, Setúbal, Évora, Beja, Faro, Lagos, etc etc etc???
They’ve been all over. Their whole channel is traveling all over Portugal from the perspective of Americans and discussing which place is better to move to.
As the parents of a young child, you may not have experienced the educational system yet, but I think this would also be a very valid consideration for families.
Then Spain takes the win at least at college level...more international recognition....however probably high school is the same in both and before high school as well
I am currently in Portugal after a month in Spain . And for me Spain is definitely better in everything, food, friendliness, great scenery and historical towns with fabulous architecture.
@@ExpatsEverywhere I toured Andalusia , Granada, Ronda, Cádiz, Seville , and some coastal places Tarifa, Conil, and Malaga . Loved it all . In Portugal I arrived at Albufeira , then on to Lagos quite liked these two places . Lisbon I really didn’t enjoy , Aveiro is quite nice , just about to leave Porto which was ok . Have decided to return to UK to “re group” and maybe Asia next .
At least you gave Portugal a try. Me for example will never go to England because I don't like their culture, lack of friendliness, trash on the streets, crime rate, poor food and so on...
Spain and Portugal are not Coke and Pepsi, products on a shelf to comparison shop. You can say which you personally have enjoyed living in more, and why, but not which is ‘better’ in any objective way, except for statistics on specific measures. I’m American, living in France, and have lived in Spain as well, and I would never dream of trying to say which country is ‘better’.
It's curious that in Portugal, the equivalent to "vosotros" which is "vós" is almost not used anymore and has been replaced by "vocês" (same as "ustedes" in spanish) . It is still used in "trás-os-montes" but mainly by the older generation. I guess both languages are having similar evolution there.
It's actually used in more regions than only just Trás-os-Montes. The thing is that "vós" used to have two meanings: one as a formal way to say "you" (just like in French) and, of course, a second person plural pronoun. The first meaning indeed it's only used by elderly people in Trás-os-Montes and it's dying, but the second, more traditional, meaning is still living on in most of Northern Portugal even in the younger generation.
Guys, isn't Porto's weather "bad" when compared to Lisbon and Algarve? We have concerns about allergies and mildew/mold... as well as mood if the city is mostly "gray" (London for example)
Comparatively, it's grayer than Lisbon and Algarve. Algarve will be the best sun and highest temperatures year round. A lot of housing in the north has mold issues or at least it's more susceptible to mold due to humidity and dampness. - Josh & Kalie
Regarding the language, it's like we took the same building blocks, but whereas the Spanish (Castilians, in this case), made theirs one of the simplest languages to speak and lerarn, the Portuguese made theirs as complex as possible...
Great thorough video! Thanks! Confirms my hunch that I chose to move to the right country for me! But even though I live in Portugal, I can still easily travel to Spain!
Haha, thanks for the vid, guys. I was waiting for someone to do this kind of comparison of SP and PT. I've been living to Portugal before and exploring of relocating to SP anytime soon now.
Spain is very good in the gastronomic industry, good prices for good quality overall. Cuisine it's a bit subjetive, I think Spain could do better to reflect their traditional dishes inside the big cities more. Portugal does a much better job as a comparison, even if the services are less sophisticated.
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You guys missed the main one CLEANLINESS, I have been to both few years back and watched some other TH-camrs Spain is definitely cleaner than Portugal!
Where did you go? Indeed Lisbon is a dirty city but Lisbon isn't a real example of the country in general, most cities in Portugal are very, very clean (even Porto).
@@diogorodrigues747 Portuguese cities are clean??? Please, we see paper and plastic bottles everywhere, and let's not forget dog's poop. Maybe the villages are a bit cleanier but not the cities.
Portugal is cleaner. I mean both are for european standards, but some areas in Spain are surprising on the negative side. One thing is graffitti, the other is litter. Spain is worse on the latter.
No problems with that. I'm portuguese and absolutely love to go to Spain. When in there I always felt very safe, very welcome and I understand everything they speak so I hope they feel the same when they visit us. We are neighbours that tolerate each other with very few things to consider and that's wonderful. In general all Europe is doing the same and it is fantastic for all europeans. We can go wherever we want very easily and somehow feel we are at home and abroad at the same time. I absolutely love this open minded sense of comunity from my fellow neighbors from all over Europe. Spain is just special because is right next door. Sure there are differences, they're spanish we're portuguese...I have no complains, all good in that!
Appreciate your insights. Between the NHR and 5 years to citizenship, Portugal tipped the scales in their favor. Spain wins hands down on variety of those tier 2 cities with public transportation options, high speed rail and international airport access. Our timeline is now delayed 1 more year. We will continue to explore options in both countries, take time to find our personal “fit” where we can see ourselves long term, weigh the taxes & cost of living scenarios, etc. If we were relocating this summer, it would be Spain, however, primarily for ease of immigration. Locking into a 1 year (or more), IF you can find a place to live, paying for 6 months before arriving, possibly not being able to get your residency appointment for many months once there…there seem to be a lot of roadblocks currently in Portugal. Contrasted to applying for a digital nomad visa while in Spain, fast turnaround on decision, short term lease is acceptable, all family members allowed to work in Spain.
Great video Josh and Kalie! We are looking to retire on a modest pension in either Portugal or Spain. It is important for us to learn the language and integrate in society and culture so perhaps Spain wins on that front, being a little easier to learn than Portugese? Coming from Canada/the UK, we are both fair-skinned and not really beach-dwellers so we like that Portugal has more diverse weather systems and climate. The big one for us is the new tax rules and the abolition of the flat 10% rate for D7 visa holders. That means tax would be around 30-35% of our total pensions and even with the double-tax treaty with Canada/the UK that's a big hole in our finances. But we love both countries and the people so if we can make it work we will!
Normally, in Portugal you are close to Spain, whereas in Spain you may be very far from Portugal. So Portugal has also that advantage: being closer to Spain than Spain being close to Portugal. :o)
Lisbon might actually be the exception at the moment. The rental market in Lisbon is crushing. Thanks for writing that. We just spoke with a financial guy today about this as we're doing another video comparing the two. - Josh & Kalie
Mas isso, é só nos ultimos tempos, porque agora não há bicho careta, que sem mais nem meos não resolva vir para portugal, e a procura,encarrega-se do resto.Infelismente,nos ultimos anos, portugal foi apenas DESGOVERNADO...
That point about Spanish people not moving out of the way is something I´ve noticed too and it´s very peculiar to me. It´s not in an aggressive way like in some cultures where some youths try to be dominant or provoke an altercation be making you move. In Spain it´s more like they don´t think that they are in your way and that it would be necessary for them to move. After many months in Spain I don´t even feel the need to move (unless there are older people, with them I´m as polite as possible) or make someone else move anymore. We just approach and somehow move around eachother without moving much. Personal space is just different in Spain. Spanish people have a way of interaction in regards to space that is completely different to what I came across in other countries. Like if you really move out of their way by stepping on the street for example, that could be interpreted as rude because why do you feel the need to flee the sidewalk? Is anything wrong with the people there? etc. Just my interpretation as a German....
I am a Spaniard and I can see your point. Some people in Spain move side by side, blocking the sidewalk or stay blocking it; they don't feel the need to leave an empty space or to react when you approach. For me that lack of awareness of your sorroundings is annoying and disrepectful. Just do this: approach and push them gently aside, they will move out of surprise and even they will say "perdón". You can touch people in Spain in this case, it is not seen as rude or intrusive. If you walk and you face other coming to you the rule is that each one should walk on the right side, although they might change in the last moment.
@@jabato9779 Good answer, thank you. Touching strangers is such an outrageous thing in most other countries. I normally would NEVER touch other people on the street as I would expect them to believe that I were robbing or offending them. It is a good sign that Spaniards are not as suspicious of their fellow citizens as others nations.
The idea was to show "weather" and not necessarily location/geography. We try to limit this but we couldn't find other footages that showed "weather" in Spain or Portugal. Good eye though. - Josh & Kalie
I think it's also a factor in where you came from. My country of origin has a more similar culture to that of Spain, so I think I can integrate better in Spain when it comes to the language and culture as a whole. I'm not saying that Portugal's culture isn't similar, though; both are Iberians after all.
Food is better in Spain, Portuguese food not my thing 😂also farmers market’s are weekly thing in Spain in Portugal there no farmers market for fresh food.
I am not easily impressed but you impressed me with your very balanced and almost neutral analysis weighing pros and cons in a trustworthy credible feet on the ground methodology.
I really love the women in Portugal & in Lisbon in particular. As a female traveller, it means the world to me to meet smart, fun, talented women who didn't judge me for being a single woman of my age.
Find a remote job in the US, so you can work from home and live wherever you want to live. If you speak more than one language you will be at an advantage.
this was very interesting. i guess it also depends on personal taste and circumstance. you guys did a very comprehensive and fair comparison. thanks! :)
The language thing is important. I've spent a lot of time in Spain and some time in Portugal and I found the people of Portugal pretty rude and impatient with my limited Portuguese, whereas in Spain, I speak fluent Spanish and just find the people to be incredibly warm, and helpful. I think it's clear that has to do with the language differences.
@Plouf-xg9sz this makes a lot of sense to me. I've had a similar experience with my Brazilian friends. I know Portuguese and Brazilians aren't the same, but they do have a lot in common. Brazilians can be very abrasive until they accept you into their friendship circle. But once they do, they are incredible.
@@RichD2024 Well if you speak fluent portuguese then people would also be friendly to you. It's not a smart comparison, I have lived in Madrid for a few years, spanish people in general don't really care to communicate in any other language. They give up quickly, just like the greeks. It's an important thing to notice is the knowledge of the english language, for north americans, if you don't know spanish, then hold on to expats and the few locals who do speak english. It'll be a tough battle anywhere in Spain.
Thanks for the pros and cons. Both are awesome countries. Guys, I need to tell you about a new episode of “Never too small” featuring an apartment in Porto. Worth watching.
@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks so much for the comparison. From where you are originating (Canada) can also play into your decision of Spain vs. Portugal. For instance, Canada has a huge Portuguese community so though I would struggle with the language, I am quite familiar with the food and culture. So Portugal for me (though I am also considering Spain).
I just came back from A scouting trip to Portugal and Spain. I was set on Portugal but now Love Spain more. We were offered drugs in Praca De Comercio 4 different times. We went to Plaza Martin Moniz to take tram 28 and saw many homeless around the plaza. Saw pickpockets working the line and the bathroom under the plaza were we park the car where destroyed. On our drive back I saw a group of young adults that didn’t look Portugués spray painting the side is a building and an old man carrying groceries looking at them and shaking his head.This situations were to sad because Portugal is beautiful. Is Spain perfect? Nope, but I felt better there. Not to mention that I speak Spanish so it was easier for us to communicate. The town I was impressed the most was Aveiro. More calm than Lisbon and beautiful. I will be going back to check more of Portugal and Spain. So I can make a better decision. I also don’t understand why the government don’t take possession or buy some of the abandoned buildings in Lisbon and remodel them and rent them to Portuguese people only at an affordable price. There is a lot of real state abandoned in the city. This is just my opinion and observation. BTW the Portuguese people are great. They get out of there way to help. I love that about Portugal. Next time I’m trying to spend 6 weeks on each country to make my decision a little bit easier. Thanks for all the content and information you guys give us.
You clearly need to see more of Portugal. You seem to be cherrypicking a lot - you know that in many Spanish cities you'd have the exact same experiences as in Lisbon, don't you?
@@diogorodrigues747 não me leves a mal, mas estas tipo em todos os coments a defender patrioticamente portugal... quando muitas das criticas feitas são validas! Portugal tem muitos pontos fortes mas também tem muita coisa a mudar... não é atoa que muitos de nós esta a sair do pais. Bem aja e forte abraço.
@@leonelantonio6512 Depende das críticas. Há críticas que são válidas, outras que nem por isso - e as que vejo como sendo absurdas eu tento dar o meu ponto de vista, sobretudo tendo em vista que estamos a comparar Portugal com Espanha (que, sejamos honestos, não é propriamente o país para onde os emigrantes portugueses vão de forma geral). E esse é que é o ponto principal - a meu ver críticas sobre carteiristas, a presença de sem abrigos ou os grafittis em Portugal quando estamos a fazer comparações com Espanha é só falta de noção, Barcelona por exemplo (que é, digamos, a cidade mais equivalente a Lisboa em Espanha) é muitíssimo pior no que toca a qualquer um dos pontos mencionados. E mesmo na questão das drogas é como quem diz, os únicos sítios onde foram-me oferecidas drogas na rua na minha vida foram Alicante e Salobreña (sítios onde eu só fui uma vez, por certo). Há mais de uma década que ninguém me oferece droga em Lisboa, a malta está sempre a dizer que os burlões da droga continuam por lá mas eu nunca os apanho, é estranho (e olha que eu vou muitas vezes a Lisboa)...
@@leonelantonio6512 Porque é que achas que eu não comentei sobre a questão da habitação? Porque eu acho que é uma crítica válida e efetivamente é um problema grave. Aí está a prova da minha racionalidade.
Hi Guys First of all I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT Was SUCH A Pleasure MEETING YOU AT THE AMERICAN EMBASSY IN LISBON !! THANK YOU FOR SHARING SO MANY WONDERFUL VIDEOS !!!!✨🌷🌞🌹 WISHING YOU BOTH THE VERY BEST 💞 😍
@@ExpatsEverywhere I Wish I were able to spend a little more time with you guys, Maybe even have some coffee... I've been Trying to exchange my driver's license for the Portuguese one, There's just so much RED TAPE, And I don't drive Stick, O well I'll figure something out.... Once again it was so nice to have met you...
@@JorgeSilva888 It was a quick visit for us for sure. 🙂You'll get there in the end with the driver's license exchange. Just be persistent. All the best and nice to meet you too. - Josh & Kalie
I'm Tuga and this video echoes my feelings as well. I really love Spain. They are our siblings by blood and culture as well (in a lot of aspects but definitively not all). You said the tugas were more patient, not so loud, and more friendly in general. I agree but there's a negative flipside to that. Spanish people, in general, tend to be less conflict avoidant and they do speak their mind a lot more often (although still a lot less than, let's say, the Dutch). These factors, together with the competition between the regions, does make them 'get stuff done' a lot quicker. They aren't as friendly but they are a little bit more efficient mosy of the time. Great video, it's interesting to learn foreigners perspectives about us, it can be enlightening. Saudações
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you for responding! I was asking along the lines of quality and reliability? I work for a software company, speed and reliability are critical :)
I love living in Portugal, I also go to Spain a lot, one thing I love more in Spain is the way spanish people live, I find them happier people than the portuguese. Apart from that, there are good things in both countries and over all the iberian peninsula is a really nice place to live and be happy❤🇵🇹🇪🇸
Thanks, guys! I was hoping you would break down the differences in terms of percentages of global income taxed the way you did in your Portugal vs France video. What are they exactly? Or are they pretty much the same at 48% for the 28K-80K income bracket?
I am looking at Spain and Portugal. I speak Spanish conversationally as a second language so that is one vote for Spain. However, the friendliness of Portuguese people is a vote in Portugal’s favor.
Hi, Catharine! Sorry for the late reply. We got really behind on comments now that we're doing this language course here in Portugal. Thanks for the message and subscribe. :-) - Josh & Kalie
Thanks a lot 😊 It's going to be a while before we head there, Tom, but we look forward to it. What kind of video are you looking for from our KL content? - Josh & Kalie
It isn't cheaper in Portugal.. not food, nor rent. Living close to the spanish border almost everything is cheaper on the Spanish side. Also, cities in spain are way cleaner!
That's just not macro economically true. There are specific markets that it might exist and certainly historically Portugal has been cheaper. In the last few years, Portugal's cost of livng has gotten significantly closer to Spain's. They're in fact a couple of points away from each other with many markets in Portugal having higher rents. Where Spain destroys Portugal is local purchasing power, which is something that we highlighted in the video. - Josh
I am Spanish and I agree basically with all your points. Specially to the point of Spanish being loud. When I have been to Portugal, I have felt embarrassed by the loudness and shouts of my countrymen. I love that feature of Portuguese, they don't shout when they speak as we do
Thanks for your input, Alfredo. It's really funny because we hear Portuguese saying that they're "loud" and we're like, have you heard the Spanish? LOL It's really funny to us because we've been told a lot that Americans are loud and while Americans definitely aren't quiet or reserved broadly speaking, the Spanish beat us. - Josh & Kalie
You didn’t consider ease and cost of immigrating to one of these two incredible countries. My understanding is that the Portuguese D-7 requires less passive income and is easier to obtain than the Spanish Non Lucrative visa. But you guys would know better than me since you are actually living in Portugal and I am a wannabe. Also you didn’t mention the archipelagos that both countries possess. Perhaps that this would be a tie since the Azores and Madeira are probably just as beautiful and pleasant as the Canaries and Balearics. Anyways, great video both; countries are incredible!!
Yes, that's fair. We should have brought up the geographical options although like you said, it's a push but it is interesting that both have several island regions to enjoy! We think that immigration process was easier in Portugal compared to Spain but that's our experience. - Josh & Kalie
Also can you say how US pensions (social security and IRA) are taxed in Spain? We are a couple with total $4-5k/month, how much taxes will have to pay in Spain? Is it on Beckham law, 24% for first 5-6 yrs? And later what? Thinking of retiring in Alicante area.
Para gustos hay colores. Portugal is gorgeous, and I enjoyed my time there, but I feel like Spain is best for long-term residents, or for those who plan on spending part of their working lives there. If you're retired, a digital nomad, and/or want to get by with just English, Portugal might be better.
I have milk, cheese, and gluten sensitivities. I've heard that Spain doesn't cater to any dietary restrictions whatsoever and that they'll be confused if you even ask, lol, but I haven't heard much about Portugal. What are your thoughts on this?
It's similar but both countries are improving. In Lisbon and Porto, you'll find options where restaurants will know how to deal with this. - Josh & Kalie
If you want a real comparison you should live some years in north, Levante coast and Andalucia at least for to have minimun knowledge about Spain. You can't only living in Madrid. Also Canary and Balear Islands.
So what price point is your videos geared toward ?? It would seem Andrew is interested in working with people who have a minimum of a mil. In assests …..
We're not really approaching videos from that point of view but maybe our natural bias is for those making from a range of $30k-150k per year. That tends to be our audience anyway. - Josh & Kalie
Andrew Henderson. He does say 7-8 figure, which honestly, is a decent amount of retirees from the US, isn't it? Something like 10% of Americans retire with 1 million or more. Nomad Capitalist certainly likes to target 7-8 figure clients but makes content for a broader range of people. - Josh & Kalie
You guys are the BEST! My wife and I have been watching your very informative videos for 5 years. We were planning to move to Portugal next year, but we're delayed a year and now planning on moving on 2026. We are going out there next year for a scouting trip. We'd love to meet you guys. What does it cost to have a consulting session with you? Thanks!!
Hi Daniel! It's really nice to see your comment here. I've definitely noticed you in the comment section over the year. Kalie does do consultations. Her calendly link is www.calendly.com/expatseverywhere All the best with your move. - Josh & Kalie
I like the fact when you buy something or food drink etc what you see is what you pay. Unlike north america except for a few jurisdictions, they add state fed or province taxes on top of listed price...
I moved to Spain and like it so far. One thing that drives me crazy is the burocracy though. You need appointments for everything any it's close to impossible to get one. Thinking about taking a closer look at Portugal. The biggest downside for me would be the language, because I already speak spanish but no portuguese at all.
When it comes to infrastructure Spain is "light years" ahead of Portugal not only because it has a better economy but also the fact that Portugal is more "corrupt", most of the money the portuguese gov set aside for the development of infrastructure, more often than not would end up in some private bank account in Switzerland! By the way, you guys forgot to mention a huge downside of living in Spain wich is if you fail a morgage payment your house gets repossessed and you still have to pay for all those years of remaining morgage payments, i'm surpridsed Spain has a higher happiness index lol!😅
"but also the fact that Portugal is more "corrupt" - well, that's actually not true. Spain is incredibily corrupt, much more than Portugal. The Perception of Corruption Index clearly confirms that. Spain has a better economy mostly because it's a bigger country and has a larger internal market, since in reality it has more or less the same general issues that Portugal also has. And I wouldn't say Spain is "light years" ahead of Portugal in terms of infrastructure, both countries have pretty good infrastructure at a global level.
@@diogorodrigues747 The level of corruption is probably arguable but when it comes to "infrastructure" there is simply no comparison, the roads in Portugal are not only "poorly designed" but in terrible condition too (in comparison) and actually cost more money to drive on than Spain! Portugal has 220km of high speed train lines, Spain has more than 3500km, and this is taking into account Spain is 5 times bigger! Size of the country does not determine how well it performs economically, check out Switzerland, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, all have higher Gdp per capita than Spain, higher salaries and lower unemployment rate, while China, Brazil, Russia would have a lower Gdp per capita!
@@Kalecimus "the roads in Portugal are not only "poorly designed" but in terrible condition too (in comparison) and actually cost more money to drive on than Spain!" - well, that depends a lot on the region in Spain. Galician roads are also pretty bad and the good ones are generally very expensive. The Basque country is filled with tolled roads with no alternative itinerary. I've driven in many 120 km/h freeways in Spain that are in terrible state, specially in Andalusia (A-49 and A-4 are not well mantained at all and in some places it's quite sketchy). I agree, Portugal is much more expensive to drive in than Spain, but let's face it - the tolled roads are generally in perfect conditions, unlike what you try to say. The problem is generally the national roads that mostly still follow the 1945 National Road Plan (and most of those roads in that plan already used centuries-old itineraries which weren't made for cars) - in the Alentejo national roads are pretty reasonable because it's a flat landscape but in Northern and Central Portugal national roads are generally poorly designed as they weren't modernized in some cases for decades. "Portugal has 220km of high speed train lines, Spain has more than 3500km!" - Portugal has zero kilometres of high speed train lines, unless if you count Alfa Pendular as a high speed train (which is kind of a sketchy thing to do because in most of the route Alfa Pendular doesn't even reach its maximum velocity of 240 km/h). The first high speed train line between Évora and Elvas (80 km) is right now being built and will only open in the begining of 2025. In the end of this decade there will be around 485 km of high speed railways in Portugal assuming that all current scenarios are fulfilled (and in this case I think they will because 2030 World Cup). "Size of the country does not determine how well it performs economically" - well, in some cases it does. The difference between GDP per capita of Spain and Portugal isn't that relevant, specially if you consider the regions that are close to Portugal. If it wasn't for a few rich regions like the Basque Country, Navarre and Catalonia (which are richer for many reasons, some of them even historical) Spain would be pretty much the same as Portugal, or probably even worse.
Portugal has outpriced itself out of the market - especially for the younger Portuguese recent graduates. Salaries are low, taxes are very high, medical services average and therefore many of them move upwards to the Netherlands, Germany or the UK to work and study. It is largely the foreigners who move down to Portugal - they are responsible for the absurd rental prices. It is up to the Government to try and get that under control!
It's our short sighted, greedy and useless govercancerment that allows this mess. They allow permits to be issued for those who want to build housing for tourists. I guess that isn't turning out to be such a clever thing, since it's starting to become a tension point. And it's not just americans and europeans that the portuguese have to compete, in terms of housing...
Language and culture for expats also depends on where you're coming from. Parts of New England, Toronto, Montreal, etc. has quite of few Portuguese immigrants. In my neighborhood in MA, we hear and improve our Portuguese and there are many festivals (down my street today in fact)
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As a spaniard I love Portugal , everytime I go there people are polite, educated and nice , I always felt welcomed , I recommend to visit Portugal is a great country with great people , history and culture.
As a Portuguese I love my neighbours Spain. We don't care who wins this or that unless it's football, lol. We are the same people sharing 1 peninsula, we are Iberian.
😉👌
and give us Olivença back :D
bien dicho
Primeiro português. O ibérico é só um acrescento
@@vjQUAOnly if you accept taking Murcia with it 😂😂😂
Portugal and Spain are brothers, we like each other, we share the same peninsula and we don't care who is better.
Thanks for the comment. You don't believe that Spaniards believe it's better to live in Spain than Portugal? - Josh & Kalie
But Portugal is selling "citizenships" to foreigners in exchange for "$ 500 K plus investments into real estate which makes it impossible for Portugues to ever buy a house. In Port 30% of Real Estate is totally demolished - not even enough of walls to call them a hole in the wall.
People working online with capitalist incomes move there to benefit from lower expenses.
Beautiful our brothers and sisters
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp you need to relax for real. You're just spamming videos at this point and you're saying things that aren't accurate. 90% of home purchases in Portugal are Portuguese. The Golden Visa by Real Estate Investment doesn't exist anymore.
Os Portugueses sao melhores
Portugal and Spain are Brothers . We live well together !!!!
we are not brothers, we are neighbors.
@@j.dasilva4567 …Brothers and neighbors .
@@j.dasilva4567 Somos irmãos sim senhor! Sangue do mesmo sangue
Brother and Sister like Mexico and Texas...we tolerate each other
No rivalry here, love Spain from the bottom of my heart. Meeting a Spanish fella overseas is always a joy, I think both countries identify strongly with their peninsula, and that's always fun.
I want to live in Spain La Coruna..How can i byu the House and become a Citisen of Spain?Is i t a long process??,
The biggest difference is that on the entire Mediterranean coast you have 3 more months of summer than in Portugal. better weather and warmer water.
The Mediterranean cost is phenomenal. - Josh & Kalie
Italy
It depends where in Portugal. The Algarve is not the Mediterranean, but it's quite close. Maybe the Mediterranean has just one more summer month than the Algarve.
haha, yeah, especially those of us living north of the tejo really feel that, the beaches in mafra are incredibly cold with rough waters year round, great for surfers though
After personally living in Spain for over 30 years, in my opinion Spain for sure is a better all around place to live. 🇪🇦
But that's cheating, you already call Spain home.
why do you think that?
@@diogorodrigues747I want to live in Spain La Coruna..How can i byu the House and become a Citisen of Spain?Is i t a long process??,Please hrlp me...
@@Aquarius285 I don't think I'm the best person to explain that. Please talk to an actual specialist on the matter.
Byt whom?@@diogorodrigues747
I'm portugese and i love spain 🍻
I am Cypriot which country will best suit my lifestyle culture do you think?
@@tolgaucar-gl1vm hard to say
I mean as a Mediterranean do you think I can easily adapt to these countries when compared to a North American or north European?
I am Spanish and I love Portugal.
@@tolgaucar-gl1vm no dout 🍻
We chose Spain because of language, the Mediterranean climate, better infrastructure, and ease of travel to the rest of Europe.
I want to live in Spain La Coruna..How can i byu the House and become a Citisen of Spain?Is i t a long process??,Please hrlp me...
I've lived in both countries, a few years in each. I much prefer Portugal, but that's a personal choice, although my family agrees with me. We currently live in Silves, Algarve, and love it...
Thanks for sharing! It's very much a personal choice for sure. - Josh & Kalie
Silves is nice, with it's castle above the village.
From a Portuguese man that goes to Spain very often: Portugal is cute and lovely and packs a heck of a lot of variety into a small size. The small towns and cities are quaint, each with its unique charm, well organized and clean. But, comparatively, Spain is a larger place and has a better access to Central Europe and, thus, is a much better place to work as a hub. Life in the small towns and cities is similar to Portugal's but both Madrid and Barcelona are huge, bustling world cities, much larger and with more "weight" than both Lisboa and Porto. Portugal is great if you just want to chill but if you want to open up a business or anything of the sort, then Spain is more "eager to engage", if that even makes sense. Portuguese beaches are more visually appealing (personal opinion) but the Atlantic waters are much colder than the Mediterranean ones, even in the Algarve. Portuguese food is somewhat different than Spanish food but both countries sport fantastic understated cuisines that only recently have garnered some attention. Social life is great on both sides of the border but more lively and "young" on the spanish side and more tranquil and "mature" on the portuguese side. Both countries are awesome, much more alike than they are different and together they form the whole of my favorite part of Europe (and, indeed, of the world): the Iberian Peninsula.
This is a fair description.
As a Tuga, I couldn't have said it better.
Rent is not expensive in PT, rent is impossible!! Especially for us portuguese!
is not that same in spain? and what about expats in portugal in lisbon porto? do they earn enough to rent or still sharing as single? i thnk mosts are still getting about 20-25k annual gross in portugal? so with a more than half or more to rent makes it diffucult to live?
@user4name I was stunned by the rent prices in Algarve as they are the same as Australia and locals earn waaaay less. It was a stock issue. In Southern Spain it is cheaper due to supply
@@ajdrums8075 but as far as i see from numbeo , the spain wage is increasing compared to portugal recently especially for the northen spain, but it is also more expensive than south tho
@@user4name Sure so choose Spain. Its better anyway
@@ajdrums8075 but dont have any spanish or basque knowledge , howeever current tax schmese are looking complocated for both countries .not sure the net income
The Portuguese cuisine is one of the most underrated cuisines worldwide
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. - Josh & Kalie
Not surprisingly the Portuguese cuisine has influenced many cuisines around the world back in the days when they went to explore the world by sea. Tempura is actually a Portuguese based dish (peixinhos da Horta) and also the Japanese castela sponge cake has Portuguese roots (pão-de-ló); vindaloo is the Indian version of vinha d’alhos. The Piri Piri went by sea to India by boat. There’s a very interesting book called the first global village written by a British author about the Portuguese spice trade and influences at the time . I’m Portuguese and I love Spain. But they’re just a little bit too loud 😂😂 I remember someone writing on a wall in bairro alto: “respect the silence otherwise go to Spain”. I think it says all 😂😅😂Anyway it’s interesting to see a neutral point of view what good and bad both countries have. All the best to you guys. And spite I’m living in Lisbon since 25 years I was born in Porto and lived there till I was 21. Porto has change a lot and for the better
Enganaste è das mais apreciadas do mundo,!!! 🤔🤔
@@gruneldbaksakis7911 não engano não. As pessoas desconhecem os pratos da nossa cozinha lá fora. Para eles comemos frango piri piri bacalhau e sardinhas. E há tão mais do que isso
@@amarco.m Engana e muito. Porque os de lá de fora que não conhecem mundo ou Portugal, não contam para nada. Os que contam são os milhões e milhões que vesitam Portugal e é vê-los a ficar maravilhados com a nossa cozinha e conhecem-na. Basta ires ao youtub e veres os comentarios deles sobre a nossa cozinha. Basta andares com eles nos hoteis e veres como conhecem. Se perguntares a um jogador estrangeiro em portugal, vais ver o que eles falam da nossa cozinha, Agora é claro que um alemão um finlandês ou seja de que país fôr, se nao conhece mundo, como queres que conheça a nossa comida? Pelos livros!!! Eu também só conheci a cozinha de Espanha França Bélgica quando conheci os países. Eu para mim a cozinha italiana é só pizas e massas, mas se calhar se fôr lá fico maravilhado, fico a saber que não.! Seu comentário não tem nexo. Se você pesquisar a cozinha portuguesa esta em 4º lugar como a melhor do mundo como nao é conhecida?🤔🤔 Nao conhece quem nao sai dos país deles, o pessoal que viaja desfruta e bem da cozinha portuguesa conhece e sabe que é muito variada.
Repito não engane as pessoas!!! 🤔
I've been to Spain & Portugal but my heart belongs in Portugal.❤
Why though
@xooq_ I find the Portuguese people more welcoming, friendly & kind.
❤
I feel exactly the same love 💕 Portugal and Portuguese people
I like Spain but we chose to retire in Portugal. As you mentioned, nice people, safe, world-class and affortable medical care. For example, when going out with Portugal people, if they have a car and you don't, they will go out of there way to give you a ride home, even if they do not know you that well. The people in Portugal are so warm and giving. That said, I love the fine dining in Spain and also love their wines. It is a tough chose. See you next week Thursday, another great video.
Thanks, Rhicke! Nice to hear your thoughts and to hear from you in general. See you on Thursday! - Josh & Kalie
How do you rate the health care system of Portugal? If you can please provide me with details
What are you talking about? Portuguese people are grumpy and rude.
Health care is much better in Spain there’s a reason many people have to go to Spain to get certain procedures done
@@ExpatsEverywhereyour observation of the Spanish is accurate. They can be very direct and rude to guiris/gringos and some hold some resentment and want you to know that. Comically they see themselves as extremely friendly. Americans aren't loud, especially compared to Southern Europeans, no comparison. They are probably a bit louder in general than Brits and other Northern Europeans and that's where the 'loud American' rep comes from.
I am Portuguese and i know Spain well. I agree completely with everything u said, and that was some how a surprise cause i though my evalution would be biased. As for me, despite the problems with our politicians (thou this goes for most of the world), i wouldnt change Portugal for Spain, i am greatful to be Portuguese.
I love both countries but I do think that Portugal is quieter. People are very kind. The country is better organised, looking from traveller's point of view. In my opinion also the best coffee in the world. As I said I really love both but Portugal is closer my heart.
Hey! Are you still in Portugal? I would love to meet you you guys! Obrigado!
Thanks for supporting the channel. Yes, we (Josh & Kalie) are still in Portugal. We have regular meetups every 4-6 weeks. We put out dates and locations on our social media channels and a sure fire way to see it is by asking Kalie to get on her e-newsletter. (info@expatseverywhere.com) - Josh & Kalie
We have a lot of Portuguese food in Toronto. Big Portuguese community here. I was in Portugal last Summer and loved it. A fish and seafood diet is perfect for me since I'm a pescetarian. Outside of Lisbon, I loved Porto and Coimbra, a smaller university town. Stunning. As per language, I speak Spanish and Portuguese. But I would choose Portugal all the way. Why? I think the people. ❤
I want to live in Spain La Coruna..How can i byu the House and become a Citisen of Spain?Is i t a long process??,Please hrlp me...
Soy española, he estado de vacaciones viajando por Portugal. Es como estar en España con personas menos ruidosas y una hora menos
😂❤🇵🇹🫂🇪🇸
I'd say as a Dutch man about friendlyness, yes they both are, but if I had to choose, I'd go with the Spanish. They are a bit more straight than Portuguese, and will tell you faster if they like you or not. I like that attitude, but I understand that for anglo-saxons, especially people from the UK, that's more difficult. Of course, being Dutch, we are even close to being rude, about our attitude towards it, but I like it. I can thus easily pick "my people".
I want to live in Spain La Coruna..How can i byu the House and become a Citisen of Spain?Is i t a long process??,Please hrlp me...
😂😂😂 you made me laugh so hard because it's true! I'm Italian living in Portugal and I'm literally in love with you Dutchies because of your being direct and honest, being exactly like that. Next year I'm moving to Amsterdam, my favourite city in the world! 🧡🧡🧡🧡
I am from Lebanon. I love both countries but i believe Portugal can be suitable for tourism and vacations since it has wonderful sceneries and beaches and it could be cheaper than Spain meanwhile Spain economy is bit stronger with possibility to find better paid jobs. But i send peace wishes for both countries. Hooe to visit them someday
Trust me. What you see on videos and pictures doesn’t do justice. You have to go and see them in person.
@@walterramirez3287 i am waiting impatiently to have chance to go and visit those two countries.
@@ghassanjneinaty4421 you will love them both.
@@ghassanjneinaty4421Para onde quer que vá.....Vá livre, de mente aberta,sem esperar o que contaram,nem no bem, nem no mal.So assim pode dar a sua opinião....
The weather on the Canary Islands is FANTASTIC year round!
Nice! - Josh & Kalie
Food is much cheaper in Spain, as is petrol. Many people who live close to the border, rush over to Spain weekly to stock up on both. Not sure about utilities.
I'm sorry but food isn't cheaper in Spain though, at least not the food in restaurants. Also the food in supermarkets depends on the product, it's not like what it used to be decades ago.
@@diogorodrigues747 I certainly found it cheaper when I travelled back and forth last year
@@simplylive2466 Strange that you did, because I'm Portuguese and eating in Spanish restaurants is pretty expensive in general compared to Portugal. In the supermarket prices are mostly the same in both countries - they used to be much cheaper in Spain until a decade ago but these days not so much.
Faz queixa aos politicos portuguêses.
As a portuguese man that goes to Spain quite often: unfortunately it's true. Both the food (at the supermarket, maybe not so much in restaurants) and the fuel are cheaper in Spain. They also earn more on average, to make the imbalance even starker. A pity 'cos Portugal is lovely but living here is increasingly hard.
Both countries are great and have a lot to offer! Like comparing apples to oranges! Thank you both🎉
100%, Laura. Do you think they're like apples and oranges? I'd think more like Gala and Granny Smiths since they're so closely related. In my opinion, both are great apples but they have different applications. One is great to bake with, the other makes good juice, and both can be eaten from the tree. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Absolutely! Agreed 💯
Diferença? A 150m de distância pé pé pé pé Espanha à vista . 50m distância sesesese....Já passaste a fronteira.Estás em portugal.De resto, tudo boa gente.
I couldnt diferénciate between both of them but taki g them as a whole i have no doubt what IS mi mibdbliwu g for me.
You see, we live so close we can visit Portugal for bacalao, caldereta and more....makes me Happy and worth the trip.
I LOVE portugués Stone floors and White and black mossics and times. Ubique to Portugal and so beautiful that only portugueses can create such a beYtiful tastefull floors,plazas and old oart flooring. Portuguese bravo for creating duch elegante, tastefull , elegante, ubique touchyou give to certain places,an exersive of good taste and Deep if what beauty canbe creates. Number 1 in Europe and un the península for showi g such a good taste
@@XabierXabi If you go to Portugal for bacalao and caldereta .. you never left Spain.
I live in Alto Alentejo, 2kms from the Spanish border. Trust me, the best option of all is living where you can enjoy both cultures. Some days we shop in Spain, sometimes in Portugal. Some things are definitely cheaper in Spain, (e.g. fuel, gas) Sometimes we eat in Spain, sometimes in Portugal. We have a silly little ritual, celebrating New Year twice each year. Toasting in the New Year in our local Spanish bar, before returning to our own village to do it again.
Very cool NY tradition. Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
Andrew’s content has expanded my vision of living outside of the U.S.. I hope to attend Nomad Capitalist live one day and even meet you guys!
Amazing video, guys! really! As a Brazilian-Portuguese who has lived in both countries, I agree with everything you said. At the end of the day, I decided to live in Portugal and as a realtor I genuinely help those who want to make the same decision and get their houses or businesses here. Interestingly, I also lived in Brazil and in the US - for a short period of time - and weighing it all I still choose Portugal, according to my life priorities such as safety, quality of life, cuisine, some infrastructure and decent and affordable health care. Anyway, sending my greetings from Ericeira/Lisbon, you guys are great! Helena Badr
Hi Helena! Thank you very much. We appreciate the feedback. Much love to you in Ericeira! We hope all is well there. - Josh & Kalie
In Europe we say estate agent not realtor so you know
Me, as a portuguese living near the spanish border, I deeply know both both cultures and realities. I prefer Spain. Better quality of life no doubt. Good food too. More diversity of climate, more preserved culture, more friendly people in my own point of view (I know well the portuguese and the spanish), and a more rich country.. Northern people from Portugal is not as closed as southern people, and a californian from San Diego and a folk from the Maine, ther´s not much difference from one to another. We can not put a whole country in a bag and say this is this. Iberian peninsula is a mix of different cultures, different languages (at least five). So it´s difficult to compare in terms of where is the best place to live.
The people are friendlier than the Portuguese?
Interesting.
Both are amazing countries, brothers, shared history, same genetics....Iberian Union!
União Ibérica deves ser Louco - (NUNCA NEVER Falo português no hablo espanol
@@adelesr4965 Don't know what you're saying but can easily guess it with the world "never". Yep, I got that same feedback from some Spaniards it seems to be a point of mutual understanding between your countries. Love for both of you.
Valuable information. Thanks for posting.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
Which part is valuable? Really -- do you know how to make a living in any of these countries? If you consider it as a tourist info piece ok. Otherwise?
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp Get a job and move out of your mom's house.
Of course Spain being so much bigger will have many more options, and it certainly is a beautiful neighbour, but Portugal isn’t just Lisbon and Porto🤦🏻♀️… have you heard of Coimbra, Leiria, Santarém, Viana do Castelo, Braga, Guimarães, Castelo Branco, Figueira da Foz, Mafra, Almada, Setúbal, Évora, Beja, Faro, Lagos, etc etc etc???
They’ve been all over. Their whole channel is traveling all over Portugal from the perspective of Americans and discussing which place is better to move to.
Espanha Maior com idiomas diferentes que vão para o País Basco
As the parents of a young child, you may not have experienced the educational system yet, but I think this would also be a very valid consideration for families.
From a quality of public schools and universities perspective and how well they are spread out geographically, which would you pick
Then Spain takes the win at least at college level...more international recognition....however probably high school is the same in both and before high school as well
I am currently in Portugal after a month in Spain . And for me Spain is definitely better in everything, food, friendliness, great scenery and historical towns with fabulous architecture.
Thanks for sharing. Let us know where you were in both countries. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere I toured Andalusia , Granada, Ronda, Cádiz, Seville , and some coastal places Tarifa, Conil, and Malaga . Loved it all .
In Portugal I arrived at Albufeira , then on to Lagos quite liked these two places . Lisbon I really didn’t enjoy , Aveiro is quite nice , just about to leave Porto which was ok . Have decided to return to UK to “re group” and maybe Asia next .
At least you gave Portugal a try. Me for example will never go to England because I don't like their culture, lack of friendliness, trash on the streets, crime rate, poor food and so on...
@@JH-me We love Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere We are leaving Portugal for Malaysia - just waiting for our long stay visa, after two years.
Spain and Portugal are not Coke and Pepsi, products on a shelf to comparison shop. You can say which you personally have enjoyed living in more, and why, but not which is ‘better’ in any objective way, except for statistics on specific measures. I’m American, living in France, and have lived in Spain as well, and I would never dream of trying to say which country is ‘better’.
Well answered.
It's curious that in Portugal, the equivalent to "vosotros" which is "vós" is almost not used anymore and has been replaced by "vocês" (same as "ustedes" in spanish) . It is still used in "trás-os-montes" but mainly by the older generation. I guess both languages are having similar evolution there.
Good call. - Josh & Kalie
It's actually used in more regions than only just Trás-os-Montes. The thing is that "vós" used to have two meanings: one as a formal way to say "you" (just like in French) and, of course, a second person plural pronoun. The first meaning indeed it's only used by elderly people in Trás-os-Montes and it's dying, but the second, more traditional, meaning is still living on in most of Northern Portugal even in the younger generation.
Guys, isn't Porto's weather "bad" when compared to Lisbon and Algarve? We have concerns about allergies and mildew/mold... as well as mood if the city is mostly "gray" (London for example)
Comparatively, it's grayer than Lisbon and Algarve. Algarve will be the best sun and highest temperatures year round. A lot of housing in the north has mold issues or at least it's more susceptible to mold due to humidity and dampness. - Josh & Kalie
If you want sun 300 days/year go to Algarve.
Regarding the language, it's like we took the same building blocks, but whereas the Spanish (Castilians, in this case), made theirs one of the simplest languages to speak and lerarn, the Portuguese made theirs as complex as possible...
The many different influences didn't help(Visigoths, Moors, Celts...).
¡ muy cierto eso ¡
Great thorough video! Thanks! Confirms my hunch that I chose to move to the right country for me! But even though I live in Portugal, I can still easily travel to Spain!
Haha, thanks for the vid, guys. I was waiting for someone to do this kind of comparison of SP and PT. I've been living to Portugal before and exploring of relocating to SP anytime soon now.
Glad you enjoyed it! - Josh & Kalie
Spain has so much more to offer, infrastructure, food, & places
The food one is relative... The rest is bound to country size.
I want to live in Spain La Coruna..How can i byu the House and become a Citisen of Spain?Is i t a long process??,Please hrlp me...
Spain is very good in the gastronomic industry, good prices for good quality overall. Cuisine it's a bit subjetive, I think Spain could do better to reflect their traditional dishes inside the big cities more. Portugal does a much better job as a comparison, even if the services are less sophisticated.
@10:15 In grade school, Illinois, the choices were [Mexican]Spanish🇲🇽, French🇨🇦, & German🇩🇪. In high school it switched to Spanish, French, & Japanese🇯🇵. Now, twenty years later, it has changed to Spanish, Chinese Mandarin🇨🇳, and French. Religious colleges commonly offer Greek🇬🇷, or sometimes Hebrew✡️ for the purpose of studying the Bible.
Thanks for sharing. No Latin? - Josh & Kalie
You guys are great! Each video better than the last. Thanks so much for sharing your experience! Muito obrigado! 🤩
Thank you! 😃 We're glad that you like them. - Josh & Kalie
You guys missed the main one CLEANLINESS, I have been to both few years back and watched some other TH-camrs Spain is definitely cleaner than Portugal!
"Been to both" lol I've lived in both. Portugal is definitely cleaner. Not to say Spain is dirty as Greece, but not as clean as their neighbour
Where did you go? Indeed Lisbon is a dirty city but Lisbon isn't a real example of the country in general, most cities in Portugal are very, very clean (even Porto).
@@diogorodrigues747 Portuguese cities are clean??? Please, we see paper and plastic bottles everywhere, and let's not forget dog's poop. Maybe the villages are a bit cleanier but not the cities.
@@CT-eq9km Well, that's my experience being a Portuguese.
Portugal is cleaner. I mean both are for european standards, but some areas in Spain are surprising on the negative side. One thing is graffitti, the other is litter. Spain is worse on the latter.
No problems with that. I'm portuguese and absolutely love to go to Spain. When in there I always felt very safe, very welcome and I understand everything they speak so I hope they feel the same when they visit us. We are neighbours that tolerate each other with very few things to consider and that's wonderful. In general all Europe is doing the same and it is fantastic for all europeans.
We can go wherever we want very easily and somehow feel we are at home and abroad at the same time.
I absolutely love this open minded sense of comunity from my fellow neighbors from all over Europe. Spain is just special because is right next door. Sure there are differences, they're spanish we're portuguese...I have no complains, all good in that!
Appreciate your insights. Between the NHR and 5 years to citizenship, Portugal tipped the scales in their favor. Spain wins hands down on variety of those tier 2 cities with public transportation options, high speed rail and international airport access. Our timeline is now delayed 1 more year. We will continue to explore options in both countries, take time to find our personal “fit” where we can see ourselves long term, weigh the taxes & cost of living scenarios, etc. If we were relocating this summer, it would be Spain, however, primarily for ease of immigration. Locking into a 1 year (or more), IF you can find a place to live, paying for 6 months before arriving, possibly not being able to get your residency appointment for many months once there…there seem to be a lot of roadblocks currently in Portugal. Contrasted to applying for a digital nomad visa while in Spain, fast turnaround on decision, short term lease is acceptable, all family members allowed to work in Spain.
Thanks for sharing your take, Kathy. - Josh & Kalie
What about the Healthcare?
Great video Josh and Kalie! We are looking to retire on a modest pension in either Portugal or Spain. It is important for us to learn the language and integrate in society and culture so perhaps Spain wins on that front, being a little easier to learn than Portugese? Coming from Canada/the UK, we are both fair-skinned and not really beach-dwellers so we like that Portugal has more diverse weather systems and climate. The big one for us is the new tax rules and the abolition of the flat 10% rate for D7 visa holders. That means tax would be around 30-35% of our total pensions and even with the double-tax treaty with Canada/the UK that's a big hole in our finances. But we love both countries and the people so if we can make it work we will!
Normally, in Portugal you are close to Spain, whereas in Spain you may be very far from Portugal. So Portugal has also that advantage: being closer to Spain than Spain being close to Portugal. :o)
In my actual experience: taxes, utilities, food and rent are cheaper in Spain (Madrid vs Lisbon).
Agree
Lisbon might actually be the exception at the moment. The rental market in Lisbon is crushing. Thanks for writing that. We just spoke with a financial guy today about this as we're doing another video comparing the two. - Josh & Kalie
Yep, Algarve is MUCH more expensive than Southern Spain to rent too. Lack of stock
Mas isso, é só nos ultimos tempos, porque agora não há bicho careta, que sem mais nem meos não resolva vir para portugal, e a procura,encarrega-se do resto.Infelismente,nos ultimos anos, portugal foi apenas DESGOVERNADO...
Taxes in Spain are close to the highest in Europe.
Portugal and Spain are the best countries in Europe by far. Authentic nice people. No question about it.
I took seven years of Spanish, in the U.S. in the 70s/80s. Vosotros was not taught in junior high, high school or college. Your'e so right about that.
That point about Spanish people not moving out of the way is something I´ve noticed too and it´s very peculiar to me. It´s not in an aggressive way like in some cultures where some youths try to be dominant or provoke an altercation be making you move. In Spain it´s more like they don´t think that they are in your way and that it would be necessary for them to move. After many months in Spain I don´t even feel the need to move (unless there are older people, with them I´m as polite as possible) or make someone else move anymore. We just approach and somehow move around eachother without moving much. Personal space is just different in Spain. Spanish people have a way of interaction in regards to space that is completely different to what I came across in other countries. Like if you really move out of their way by stepping on the street for example, that could be interpreted as rude because why do you feel the need to flee the sidewalk? Is anything wrong with the people there? etc. Just my interpretation as a German....
I am a Spaniard and I can see your point. Some people in Spain move side by side, blocking the sidewalk or stay blocking it; they don't feel the need to leave an empty space or to react when you approach. For me that lack of awareness of your sorroundings is annoying and disrepectful. Just do this: approach and push them gently aside, they will move out of surprise and even they will say "perdón". You can touch people in Spain in this case, it is not seen as rude or intrusive. If you walk and you face other coming to you the rule is that each one should walk on the right side, although they might change in the last moment.
@@jabato9779 Good answer, thank you. Touching strangers is such an outrageous thing in most other countries. I normally would NEVER touch other people on the street as I would expect them to believe that I were robbing or offending them. It is a good sign that Spaniards are not as suspicious of their fellow citizens as others nations.
You used picture from beautiful Vancouver when talking about Spain weather23:38😂😂😂
The idea was to show "weather" and not necessarily location/geography. We try to limit this but we couldn't find other footages that showed "weather" in Spain or Portugal. Good eye though. - Josh & Kalie
Expat Taxes have changed recently in Portugal, too.
Hi Judith, this was discussed in the point NHR changing. Thanks.
Thank you for loving and living here 🇵🇹
Thank you too! We appreciate the welcome. - Josh & Kalie
I think it's also a factor in where you came from. My country of origin has a more similar culture to that of Spain, so I think I can integrate better in Spain when it comes to the language and culture as a whole. I'm not saying that Portugal's culture isn't similar, though; both are Iberians after all.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Food is better in Spain, Portuguese food not my thing 😂also farmers market’s are weekly thing in Spain in Portugal there no farmers market for fresh food.
Wrong! We have farmers markets in every town.
Fresh markets everywhere and every week you haven’t a clue
Seems to me that you know little of what you speak...
Lol wth are you on about? Either you're a troll or you made absolutely no research and I mean simply wasting 2 minutes on Google Maps in each city.
😂😂😂naaaa... portuguese food is so much tastier than spanish food..have you even tried??
I am not easily impressed but you impressed me with your very balanced and almost neutral analysis weighing pros and cons in a trustworthy credible feet on the ground methodology.
Thank you for the kind words, Victor. - Josh & Kalie
I really love the women in Portugal & in Lisbon in particular. As a female traveller, it means the world to me to meet smart, fun, talented women who didn't judge me for being a single woman of my age.
You are a lesbian trust me
On your Climate/Weather section it would be worth mentioning the islands (Balearic and Canary in Spain, and the Azores in Portugal).
im portuguese and im going to live in spain in the future
Find a remote job in the US, so you can work from home and live wherever you want to live. If you speak more than one language you will be at an advantage.
@@walterramirez3287 What kind of jobs the US employers are offering, online?
I'd say it's mostly cyber related, really.
this was very interesting. i guess it also depends on personal taste and circumstance. you guys did a very comprehensive and fair comparison. thanks! :)
Thank you very much. - Josh & Kalie
The language thing is important. I've spent a lot of time in Spain and some time in Portugal and I found the people of Portugal pretty rude and impatient with my limited Portuguese, whereas in Spain, I speak fluent Spanish and just find the people to be incredibly warm, and helpful. I think it's clear that has to do with the language differences.
This depends from person to person. We Portuguese understand the Spanish language better than the Spaniards understand the Portuguese language.
@Plouf-xg9sz this makes a lot of sense to me. I've had a similar experience with my Brazilian friends. I know Portuguese and Brazilians aren't the same, but they do have a lot in common. Brazilians can be very abrasive until they accept you into their friendship circle. But once they do, they are incredible.
@@RichD2024 Well if you speak fluent portuguese then people would also be friendly to you. It's not a smart comparison, I have lived in Madrid for a few years, spanish people in general don't really care to communicate in any other language. They give up quickly, just like the greeks. It's an important thing to notice is the knowledge of the english language, for north americans, if you don't know spanish, then hold on to expats and the few locals who do speak english. It'll be a tough battle anywhere in Spain.
Thanks for the pros and cons. Both are awesome
countries. Guys, I need to tell you about a new episode of “Never too small” featuring an apartment in Porto. Worth watching.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. Yup, both are great, which is why it makes for a great comparison. We'll search up the episode. - Josh & Kalie
Informative vid - tks!
Spain wins out for the arts and access to the rest of Europe.
Top, top, top art! - Josh & Kalie
@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks so much for the comparison. From where you are originating (Canada) can also play into your decision of Spain vs. Portugal. For instance, Canada has a huge Portuguese community so though I would struggle with the language, I am quite familiar with the food and culture. So Portugal for me (though I am also considering Spain).
You're welcome. We're glad that you enjoyed it. - Josh & Kalie
Excellent presentation. Liked, subscribed, and rang that bell.
Thank you and welcome aboard! We have France v Portugal coming up. - Josh & Kalie
I just came back from A scouting trip to Portugal and Spain. I was set on Portugal but now Love Spain more. We were offered drugs in Praca De Comercio 4 different times. We went to Plaza Martin Moniz to take tram 28 and saw many homeless around the plaza. Saw pickpockets working the line and the bathroom under the plaza were we park the car where destroyed. On our drive back I saw a group of young adults that didn’t look Portugués spray painting the side is a building and an old man carrying groceries looking at them and shaking his head.This situations were to sad because Portugal is beautiful. Is Spain perfect? Nope, but I felt better there. Not to mention that I speak Spanish so it was easier for us to communicate. The town I was impressed the most was Aveiro. More calm than Lisbon and beautiful. I will be going back to check more of Portugal and Spain. So I can make a better decision. I also don’t understand why the government don’t take possession or buy some of the abandoned buildings in Lisbon and remodel them and rent them to Portuguese people only at an affordable price. There is a lot of real state abandoned in the city. This is just my opinion and observation. BTW the Portuguese people are great. They get out of there way to help. I love that about Portugal. Next time I’m trying to spend 6 weeks on each country to make my decision a little bit easier. Thanks for all the content and information you guys give us.
You clearly need to see more of Portugal. You seem to be cherrypicking a lot - you know that in many Spanish cities you'd have the exact same experiences as in Lisbon, don't you?
Thanks for sharing, Walter. - Josh & Kalie
@@diogorodrigues747 não me leves a mal, mas estas tipo em todos os coments a defender patrioticamente portugal... quando muitas das criticas feitas são validas! Portugal tem muitos pontos fortes mas também tem muita coisa a mudar... não é atoa que muitos de nós esta a sair do pais. Bem aja e forte abraço.
@@leonelantonio6512 Depende das críticas. Há críticas que são válidas, outras que nem por isso - e as que vejo como sendo absurdas eu tento dar o meu ponto de vista, sobretudo tendo em vista que estamos a comparar Portugal com Espanha (que, sejamos honestos, não é propriamente o país para onde os emigrantes portugueses vão de forma geral). E esse é que é o ponto principal - a meu ver críticas sobre carteiristas, a presença de sem abrigos ou os grafittis em Portugal quando estamos a fazer comparações com Espanha é só falta de noção, Barcelona por exemplo (que é, digamos, a cidade mais equivalente a Lisboa em Espanha) é muitíssimo pior no que toca a qualquer um dos pontos mencionados. E mesmo na questão das drogas é como quem diz, os únicos sítios onde foram-me oferecidas drogas na rua na minha vida foram Alicante e Salobreña (sítios onde eu só fui uma vez, por certo). Há mais de uma década que ninguém me oferece droga em Lisboa, a malta está sempre a dizer que os burlões da droga continuam por lá mas eu nunca os apanho, é estranho (e olha que eu vou muitas vezes a Lisboa)...
@@leonelantonio6512 Porque é que achas que eu não comentei sobre a questão da habitação? Porque eu acho que é uma crítica válida e efetivamente é um problema grave. Aí está a prova da minha racionalidade.
Hi Guys
First of all I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT
Was SUCH A Pleasure MEETING YOU AT THE AMERICAN EMBASSY IN LISBON !!
THANK YOU FOR SHARING SO MANY
WONDERFUL VIDEOS !!!!✨🌷🌞🌹
WISHING YOU BOTH THE VERY BEST 💞 😍
Hi, Jorge! It was nice to meet you albeit very brief. :-) We hope everything went smoothly. Thanks for the message. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere
I Wish I were able to spend a little more time with you guys,
Maybe even have some coffee... I've been Trying to exchange my driver's license for the Portuguese one, There's just so much
RED TAPE, And I don't drive Stick, O well I'll figure something out....
Once again it was so nice to have met you...
@@JorgeSilva888 It was a quick visit for us for sure. 🙂You'll get there in the end with the driver's license exchange. Just be persistent. All the best and nice to meet you too. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere
Thank you, I appreciate it..
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I'm Tuga and this video echoes my feelings as well. I really love Spain. They are our siblings by blood and culture as well (in a lot of aspects but definitively not all).
You said the tugas were more patient, not so loud, and more friendly in general. I agree but there's a negative flipside to that.
Spanish people, in general, tend to be less conflict avoidant and they do speak their mind a lot more often (although still a lot less than, let's say, the Dutch). These factors, together with the competition between the regions, does make them 'get stuff done' a lot quicker. They aren't as friendly but they are a little bit more efficient mosy of the time.
Great video, it's interesting to learn foreigners perspectives about us, it can be enlightening.
Saudações
Hi! Thank you for your input/feedback. It's nice to hear when people aren't offended by our perspectives. :-) - Josh & Kalie
What about utilities like internet? I don't recall hearing this in the video.
€30-40 in both depending on several factors. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you for responding! I was asking along the lines of quality and reliability? I work for a software company, speed and reliability are critical :)
@@johnferland5972 You're welcome. In general, both have strong internet connection especially in the cities. - Josh & Kalie
I love living in Portugal, I also go to Spain a lot, one thing I love more in Spain is the way spanish people live, I find them happier people than the portuguese. Apart from that, there are good things in both countries and over all the iberian peninsula is a really nice place to live and be happy❤🇵🇹🇪🇸
I think i'd agree, as a portuguese.
Spanish seem happier. That's why they're louder lol.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Spanish food is more than tapas and paella. Scrambled eggs with cod, chickpeas and prawns are two... so many dishes if you know where to go.
Thanks, guys! I was hoping you would break down the differences in terms of percentages of global income taxed the way you did in your Portugal vs France video. What are they exactly? Or are they pretty much the same at 48% for the 28K-80K income bracket?
I am looking at Spain and Portugal. I speak Spanish conversationally as a second language so that is one vote for Spain. However, the friendliness of Portuguese people is a vote in Portugal’s favor.
Hi, Catharine! Sorry for the late reply. We got really behind on comments now that we're doing this language course here in Portugal. Thanks for the message and subscribe. :-) - Josh & Kalie
Super helpful as usual! 👍
What did you really learn?
Nice analysis and I look forward to your upcoming video on Kuala Lumpur😊
Thanks a lot 😊 It's going to be a while before we head there, Tom, but we look forward to it. What kind of video are you looking for from our KL content? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks Josh & Kalie, would love to see a quality of life discussion of KL, like you've done here with Spain and PT!
It isn't cheaper in Portugal.. not food, nor rent. Living close to the spanish border almost everything is cheaper on the Spanish side.
Also, cities in spain are way cleaner!
That's just not macro economically true. There are specific markets that it might exist and certainly historically Portugal has been cheaper. In the last few years, Portugal's cost of livng has gotten significantly closer to Spain's. They're in fact a couple of points away from each other with many markets in Portugal having higher rents. Where Spain destroys Portugal is local purchasing power, which is something that we highlighted in the video. - Josh
porto vs san sebastian ?
Just returned from Barcelona disappointed that it cost for 40 euros from the airport to city center
XD
Lovely couple. In synchrony with each other.
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
I am Spanish and I agree basically with all your points. Specially to the point of Spanish being loud. When I have been to Portugal, I have felt embarrassed by the loudness and shouts of my countrymen. I love that feature of Portuguese, they don't shout when they speak as we do
Thanks for your input, Alfredo. It's really funny because we hear Portuguese saying that they're "loud" and we're like, have you heard the Spanish? LOL It's really funny to us because we've been told a lot that Americans are loud and while Americans definitely aren't quiet or reserved broadly speaking, the Spanish beat us. - Josh & Kalie
I am a Cypriot which country will best suit my lifestyle and culture do you think?
You didn’t consider ease and cost of immigrating to one of these two incredible countries. My understanding is that the Portuguese D-7 requires less passive income and is easier to obtain than the Spanish Non Lucrative visa. But you guys would know better than me since you are actually living in Portugal and I am a wannabe. Also you didn’t mention the archipelagos that both countries possess. Perhaps that this would be a tie since the Azores and Madeira are probably just as beautiful and pleasant as the Canaries and Balearics. Anyways, great video both; countries are incredible!!
Yes, that's fair. We should have brought up the geographical options although like you said, it's a push but it is interesting that both have several island regions to enjoy! We think that immigration process was easier in Portugal compared to Spain but that's our experience. - Josh & Kalie
As a Portuguese and from my point of view Spain is more about grandeur and Portugal about simplicity.
Also can you say how US pensions (social security and IRA) are taxed in Spain? We are a couple with total $4-5k/month, how much taxes will have to pay in Spain? Is it on Beckham law, 24% for first 5-6 yrs? And later what? Thinking of retiring in Alicante area.
Please email Kalie at info@expatseverywhere.com and she can connect you with a tax specialist to analyze your situation. - Josh & Kalie
Para gustos hay colores. Portugal is gorgeous, and I enjoyed my time there, but I feel like Spain is best for long-term residents, or for those who plan on spending part of their working lives there. If you're retired, a digital nomad, and/or want to get by with just English, Portugal might be better.
Fair points for sure. - Josh & Kalie
I have milk, cheese, and gluten sensitivities. I've heard that Spain doesn't cater to any dietary restrictions whatsoever and that they'll be confused if you even ask, lol, but I haven't heard much about Portugal. What are your thoughts on this?
It's similar but both countries are improving. In Lisbon and Porto, you'll find options where restaurants will know how to deal with this. - Josh & Kalie
If you want a real comparison you should live some years in north, Levante coast and Andalucia at least for to have minimun knowledge about Spain. You can't only living in Madrid. Also Canary and Balear Islands.
So what price point is your videos geared toward ?? It would seem Andrew is interested in working with people who have a minimum of a mil. In assests …..
We're not really approaching videos from that point of view but maybe our natural bias is for those making from a range of $30k-150k per year. That tends to be our audience anyway. - Josh & Kalie
" The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain " That saying has been around forEver. hahaha
LOL Yea, like before meteorology. - Josh
........ and that is not true.
That Anderson guy caters 7 to 8 figure customers. Nothing to do with average people.
Andrew Henderson. He does say 7-8 figure, which honestly, is a decent amount of retirees from the US, isn't it? Something like 10% of Americans retire with 1 million or more. Nomad Capitalist certainly likes to target 7-8 figure clients but makes content for a broader range of people. - Josh & Kalie
Think that is a good point
You guys are the BEST! My wife and I have been watching your very informative videos for 5 years. We were planning to move to Portugal next year, but we're delayed a year and now planning on moving on 2026. We are going out there next year for a scouting trip. We'd love to meet you guys. What does it cost to have a consulting session with you? Thanks!!
Hi Daniel! It's really nice to see your comment here. I've definitely noticed you in the comment section over the year. Kalie does do consultations. Her calendly link is www.calendly.com/expatseverywhere All the best with your move. - Josh & Kalie
I like the fact when you buy something or food drink etc what you see is what you pay. Unlike north america except for a few jurisdictions, they add state fed or province taxes on top of listed price...
I moved to Spain and like it so far. One thing that drives me crazy is the burocracy though. You need appointments for everything any it's close to impossible to get one. Thinking about taking a closer look at Portugal. The biggest downside for me would be the language, because I already speak spanish but no portuguese at all.
When it comes to infrastructure Spain is "light years" ahead of Portugal not only because it has a better economy but also the fact that Portugal is more "corrupt", most of the money the portuguese gov set aside for the development of infrastructure, more often than not would end up in some private bank account in Switzerland!
By the way, you guys forgot to mention a huge downside of living in Spain wich is if you fail a morgage payment your house gets repossessed and you still have to pay for all those years of remaining morgage payments, i'm surpridsed Spain has a higher happiness index lol!😅
"but also the fact that Portugal is more "corrupt" - well, that's actually not true. Spain is incredibily corrupt, much more than Portugal. The Perception of Corruption Index clearly confirms that.
Spain has a better economy mostly because it's a bigger country and has a larger internal market, since in reality it has more or less the same general issues that Portugal also has. And I wouldn't say Spain is "light years" ahead of Portugal in terms of infrastructure, both countries have pretty good infrastructure at a global level.
@@diogorodrigues747 The level of corruption is probably arguable but when it comes to "infrastructure" there is simply no comparison, the roads in Portugal are not only "poorly designed" but in terrible condition too (in comparison) and actually cost more money to drive on than Spain!
Portugal has 220km of high speed train lines, Spain has more than 3500km, and this is taking into account Spain is 5 times bigger!
Size of the country does not determine how well it performs economically, check out Switzerland, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, all have higher Gdp per capita than Spain, higher salaries and lower unemployment rate, while China, Brazil, Russia would have a lower Gdp per capita!
@@Kalecimus "the roads in Portugal are not only "poorly designed" but in terrible condition too (in comparison) and actually cost more money to drive on than Spain!" - well, that depends a lot on the region in Spain. Galician roads are also pretty bad and the good ones are generally very expensive. The Basque country is filled with tolled roads with no alternative itinerary. I've driven in many 120 km/h freeways in Spain that are in terrible state, specially in Andalusia (A-49 and A-4 are not well mantained at all and in some places it's quite sketchy).
I agree, Portugal is much more expensive to drive in than Spain, but let's face it - the tolled roads are generally in perfect conditions, unlike what you try to say. The problem is generally the national roads that mostly still follow the 1945 National Road Plan (and most of those roads in that plan already used centuries-old itineraries which weren't made for cars) - in the Alentejo national roads are pretty reasonable because it's a flat landscape but in Northern and Central Portugal national roads are generally poorly designed as they weren't modernized in some cases for decades.
"Portugal has 220km of high speed train lines, Spain has more than 3500km!" - Portugal has zero kilometres of high speed train lines, unless if you count Alfa Pendular as a high speed train (which is kind of a sketchy thing to do because in most of the route Alfa Pendular doesn't even reach its maximum velocity of 240 km/h). The first high speed train line between Évora and Elvas (80 km) is right now being built and will only open in the begining of 2025. In the end of this decade there will be around 485 km of high speed railways in Portugal assuming that all current scenarios are fulfilled (and in this case I think they will because 2030 World Cup).
"Size of the country does not determine how well it performs economically" - well, in some cases it does. The difference between GDP per capita of Spain and Portugal isn't that relevant, specially if you consider the regions that are close to Portugal. If it wasn't for a few rich regions like the Basque Country, Navarre and Catalonia (which are richer for many reasons, some of them even historical) Spain would be pretty much the same as Portugal, or probably even worse.
…did you already visit Portugal?…by the way where do you come from?
My heart belongs to Barcelona🧡🧡🧡
Portugal has outpriced itself out of the market - especially for the younger Portuguese recent graduates. Salaries are low, taxes are very high, medical services average and therefore many of them move upwards to the Netherlands, Germany or the UK to work and study.
It is largely the foreigners who move down to Portugal - they are responsible for the absurd rental prices.
It is up to the Government to try and get that under control!
It's our short sighted, greedy and useless govercancerment that allows this mess.
They allow permits to be issued for those who want to build housing for tourists.
I guess that isn't turning out to be such a clever thing, since it's starting to become a tension point.
And it's not just americans and europeans that the portuguese have to compete, in terms of housing...
YAY!! Found your earlier sites too!!
Great! - Josh & Kalie
Language and culture for expats also depends on where you're coming from. Parts of New England, Toronto, Montreal, etc. has quite of few Portuguese immigrants. In my neighborhood in MA, we hear and improve our Portuguese and there are many festivals (down my street today in fact)
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie