The pleasure was ours, man! We’re looking forward to seeing how the match footage turned out. Next time we’ll have to get Kalie to Budapest Bar for a deep chat. 😃 - Josh
Fun interview! It’s interesting. I’m not young… (probably old enough to be Mom to all of you… but I lived in Atouguia da Baleia (5 minutes from Ferrel, Baleal and Peniche… and I loved it. In fact, that’s where I plan to make my permanent home. I hav no interest in living in an North American expat community… I love to meet people from all over the world (and I love to guess where they are from based on language and accents). I’m from Canada’s capital, and it’s has always been a cultural melting pot. That feels good to me! The Portuguese people are not unlike a lot of Canadians… but even better! They welcome you in… all you have to do is greet them with a BomDia, say thank them with a smile and Obrigada and be humble and kind. You are in their country so simply respect that fact, always and they will love you! Admittedly, I didn’t know much about the Portuguese culture before deciding to rent a house there… I did lot of research and was so excited to have the experiences I did and it was super helpful to have an idea of what to expect. There were not many TH-camrs doing great videos as there are now… I learned a lot from the fantastic Rick Steves videos. I have to admit, when I did look on TH-cam all I found were surfing video and I don’t surf. I thought, oh boy, it’s going to be all you kids my daughter’s age and younger… but it wasn’t like that. Yes, lots of surfing (and now I’m hooked on watching) but normal everyday people live in every town. The day I arrived, I landed at the airport, fell in love, after my first Pastel de Nata (literally my friend was waiting at the airport with one, LOL)… And that was it! * you know what I will say about foreigners moving, in this case to Portugal and for the most part it’s the US Americans and the people from the UK (more than any other group)… that you have 2 choices. If you learn, become adaptable and choose to adapt, it will be a hugely better experience!
@@JenShea i totally agree with you^^ im native Portuguese and you forgot 1 thing.. go slowly dont need to rush,,, Americans tend to live in a rush (dont know about the Canadians) but here we live life more slowly and that may be a shock^^ and yes ... learning a few words of Portuguese is good to interact with the locals ... especially the elders which are not familiar with English language.. we have a say here in Portugal : "In Rome be Roman!" and you will see things will be just great^^ All the good to you^^
I'm originally from Portugal and have been in the US for 40 years. When I arrived here in 1984 I had a guy arguing with me that Portugal was in South America and I told him: I'm from Portugal so I know where Portugal is but you put Portugal wherever you like!
Finally came back to my Portugal after 40 years in the USA. Having left as a barely turned teenager, this has been a good challenge...despite the few negatives Portugal throws our way, but how I wish I had come sooner! Portugal is NOT for anyone, but if you wait it out and give it chance... it's a dream. Thanks Dave and all others that decided to give Portugal a chance. Yes gentrification and Air B&B is not good, but overall, what you do for our economy and self esteem, is unmeasurable. ❤
My parents immigrated to the US in the 60s. I was born in the US but grew up in a Portuguese community. My family is from around the silver coast. The times that I have visited Portugal, I just felt like I was home. I’ve been thinking about getting my citizenship in order and moving back. Life there is just so much more peaceful than where I live in the US.
That’s how I felt when I made my first pilgrimage in 2018. I experienced my family’s home in the Azores, followed by visiting Lisbon and area. Muito tranquilo.
To all ethnically Portuguese you are welcome and wanted and needed in Portugal. Don’t be discouraged by the people working in the embassies / consulates and all the burocracy. If you can prove one of your grandparents was Portuguese it will be an easy process, for you even easier. There is good and bad in every country but Europeans in general are more truthful and genuine. We need Portuguese people to come back with customer service mentality and a can do it all mentality, like it exists in the USA. 💞 Heck we need Portuguese in Portugal before they sell the country to Chinese, Americans, Brits and Germans. Very dangerous to our national security.
@@periscope7731Same situation here. Parents left Azores in the 1960s. I saw Azores as a child at age 7 and 11, but reconnection really did kick in until in 2018 when I went. After that visit, I thought of the Azores and family there EVERY DAY. In 2023, I filled out my citizenship application. The consulate contacted me, said everything was in order and sent materials off to Lisbon. In Summer 2023 I resolved to go to the Azores again and visit Lisbon for the first time. I loved Lisbon, and it was so nice to see wider Portuguese culture beyond just what I knew from the Azores. I learned some things that I didn't know before. I've now resolved to visit every two years, and explore more of Portugal over time. I feel like I've developed a love affair with the culture of my parents. I've improved my Portuguese speaking skills, and the first full Portuguese conversation I had in Lisbon, the gentleman detected the "sotaque Micaelense". Lol. I've been listening to Portuguese artists in the car and my night walks, and been getting more Portuguese products here in Canada. I think about Portugal every day.
You are the type of person we want in Portugal. You have family roots and heritage. We do NOT want all these carpetbaggers who come to only make a profit and raise housing so Portuguese families cannot purchase property or houses. You are welcome to re-establish your roots.
I'm American Portuguese. My family came to America in the mid seventies from Nova Lisboa/ Huambo, Angola, Africa. My family originated from Viseu and Aveiro in previous generations. We still have a lot of family in Portugal and across Europe. 🇵🇹❤ thanks for the video! It was great!
Engraçado, gerações de portugueses que fugiram de Portugal e agora cruzificam os imigrantes brasileiros e africanos que fazem o mesmo. Bando de hipocritas. Por isso e por outras que Portugal é uma merda!
You all do realize that implying 'Expat' is another way of saying I'm not an immigrant because I'm better than you. Please stop referring to immigrants from the U.S. or U.K. as Expats or maybe call everyone from Mexico in the U.S. as Expats?
Yes you are correct. They all are immigrants with no money and taking away young Portuguese jobs. I don’t see the benefit to Portuguese communities. I rather have the older retired folks with a pension and don’t need a job. They spend money in our communities
I agree especially seeing how these people are moving to these European countries because of affordability meaning economy which is one of the top reasons why immigrants immigrate...they're no different but pretend that they are.
This is true. But if you don't work there and have to rely on your own healthcare and are self sufficient, are you entirely an immigrant? An immigrant can integrate into the community and tap into social services. If you are coming in on Part D you can do neither.
Another great vid, and I think this does an excellent job of dispelling some myths and generalizations about what is happening in Portugal (assuming massive numbers of "Americans" moving in), and the ease (or not) of integrating when arriving with certain expectations. Having been here now 2 1/2 years I can easily say that my experiences have been somewhat different from Dave's with regards to locals' willingness to help out in conversations, norms etc....I have found that almost across the board the locals in my day to day life have been so eager to engage and play along! To me, that's just representative of the overall warmth, openness, and acceptance of my host country. Everyday it reinforces to me how lucky I am to be here and call this my new home. Additionally, was refreshing to hear Dave point out his reasons for embracing the move - wanting something more, new, and different. Thanks again for all that the lot of you guys do to get the message and facts out :)
Dave is a cool down to earth guy, I met him randomly with my family at a cafe here in Portugal. I have lived here as long as Dave and my wife has been here for over 6 years. I love Portugal and the experience here has been great, it feels like home now! :) I have not been to any other place in Europe only Portugal. Great job with your videos! I like the content. (maybe we could meet) Força! :)
Dave has one of the best Portugal channels out there. He doesn't sugarcoat it, which is exactly what viewers want. I've followed a lot of other TH-cam Portugal channels, in fact probably all of them. So many of them are the exact opposite. Many of them provide very selective viewpoints and limited or biased feedback and information. Dave's channel is top notch. Thanks for your content Dave!
I love your work, you are realistic in your information, you don't paint an incorrect picture of the country. Obviously, my country is neither a paradise nor a hell, as everything has pros and cons and in your work you expose these truths. As a Portuguese, I am extremely proud to be able to count on you in this Portugal of mine/yours.
Hi.. I am Portuguese i lived in UK for over twenty years .. I needed a change .. twentieth years ago I decided to move to Portugal it has bean a challenge and I am loving it .. saying that excellent video wish you well ..
I stopped watching Dave in Portugal because his videos went from being great to increasingly negative towards Portugal. I mean, you can't move from America to Europe expecting American standards and similar cultures. I'd say only about 10% of Europe in whole might be similar to American culture. The increasing moaning about this and that put me off. You are NOT in America mate, you're in Portugal which is similar throughout Europe. I'd hate to see him visit Eastern Europe.. that would be a wild one. Cultures are different. In Portugal they don't want to ruin their culture and become Americanised, they just don't. They want to live the peaceful, slow family life and enjoy their great quality of life that they have. No offense intended, just my thoughts. I've been to Portugal many times and lived there for years and for me, it's was absolutely amazing.
I am shocked to learn that Cascais is being referred to as the California of Portugal. Mauricio Umansky, an American real estate broker and owner of The Agency, is opening an office in Portugal. We can expect more high-end real estate to be gobbled up by foreign investors moving forward. I stand firm in my belief that gentrification will not change the nature or character of my Portuguese blood brothers and sisters whom I have always known to be very unpretentious people. By and large, they are very humble and not the least bit status conscious or star struck. This attitude is reflected in the way they dress, what they eat, and in their values, priorities, and in how they conduct themselves out and about.
I haven't watched any of his videos but it always intrigues me how this descent to negativity occurs after the honeymoon period is over (post 13-18 months) but then when interviewed everything is rosy again. I've been living in Nicaragua for 18 months now and this totally applies to me!
@@periscope7731sorry .. but gentrification is already happening in Portugal very SEVERE way thanks to this hype of experience living in Portugal... Portuguese are not happy at all with this situation, they are being prevented to buy or even rent a house. Same situation applies to the imigrants that move here to work (real work) that actually needs a house.
Dave’s channel is great! Even for a Portuguese like me that is living abroad and thinking about come back next year to Portugal is great to have a “impartial” opinion about living in Portugal! Thanks for your videos!
Engaging video. I resonate with Dave's grounded perspective on what it's like for Americans moving to Portugal once the honeymoon period wears off and their real adjustment begins. Kalie asks the best questions.
It’s great to see Dave on Expats Everywhere in this interview. You two are my favorites and both are so informative on realistic living in Portugal. Keep up the great work guys!!!
Great interview.... As a Portuguese/American living in Portugal I say Dave and the Expats Everywhere are really great!!!! Honest straight forward talk.... Porugal is not for everyone and so isn't any other country in the world...
Great job Dave. You have inspired me to create my own channel so when I arrive to Portugal which is FINALLY FRIDAY. I am going to document my journey. It is a heck of a lot of work to create content, film and edit. I see that now. I am practicing on my renovation that I have been doing in Upstate New York since Covid and will be selling. So exciting to see your channel has grown. I sure could use some help after I get situated...Cheers my friend. Appreciate all of the great videos and content. You ROCK! Gina in Upstate New York USA moving to Central Portugal
Finally catching up and seeing this. I followed Dave's channel but had a bad experience in the comment section so I moved on. My bad. This video is solid and I appreciate the honest outlook on things. Thanks.
oddly Dave, I think that was the best of all your videos, because it gave you a chance to give perspectives of all your videos and experiences compared to others. .like how you compared how friendly people were in the north and as you go south things start to change.. that has happened to me a couple of times but now you validated the truth of it.. your videos also have gotten so much better recently , and of course you were kind of a stumbling new comer to the country at first and in this very short 2 years you have come a long long way in so many waysdue to the potential you have always had..
yes true, I am portuguese and so I can say yes North to south People have some diferent values, its mostly historic, you see Portugal was invaded several times by several diferent cultures, not going to detail but generally the north is much more catholic poor and much more populated, so u find the north more cheaper, people help more each other generally more warm opposite to the weather witch is more rainy and cold, the more you go to south the less catholic you find People so money is more a value to the south than it is in the north, family unity is more strong in the North and you feel it, Dave has felt it , the exparts everywhere to and the cheap side..., it is not to say the People from the south will not help or be warm but its not 9 out of 10, it will go 6 out of 10. But from Americans i see here or follow a lot in videos ( my brother lives in USA its a teacher of medicine in a University there and I have been there to several times ) , that come to PT they normally find everything interesting and wooou...but after 6 moths or less they begin to moan...we Portuguese are less extreme generally but like everything has its ups and downs...like improvement is slower, some things in Portugal are not undestood even some here dont understand the reasons and causes of the state of things, Burocracy has its roots, why some state department has diferent interpretations, why we complain a lot of ourselfs but dont go the next mile to improve or force things to change it has simple explanations...remeber its a hint Portugal 50 years ago was a super poor state or better not the state its major population we came from the biguest or longuest dictatorship in Europe history we were a closed country to other cultures for so long, we have part of this population still living, my other brother is a teacher in the north Oporto region, the poverty there is some areas is stuning, he had children that never had seen the sea witch is at 20/30 kms, yes never seen the sea, so he took some to see it, it is just to see and remember how sometimes there are cultural changes in the making still to be a country truly developed...i could go on but its not the place...cheers to all
It was very much the idea of the video to give Dave the space to give his perspectives and his origin story. Sometimes it's really hard to do on ones own channel. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for the comment @Hdio99. The 6 month marker of Americans in Portugal isn't a Portugal thing. It's an American abroad or foreigner abroad thing. The honeymoon ends and the greater frustrations beginning. :-) It's all a part of the relocation process. - Josh & Kalie
muito obrigado @@Hdio99 . a pesar do que disse, agradeço todas e cada uma das suas palavras do seu resumo sobre esta co-evoluçao sobre tempo, a explicar os acontecimentos e aspectos que resultam na cultura e no povo de hoje . Foi uma rara oportunidade para ter uma compreensão mais profunda ..I hope to read more of your insights on TH-cam!
Dave, I was taken from Portugal as a child and it's become my biggest regret in life. But I'm now too tied down over here to ever go back and have to live the experience through people like you. Keep making videos and I'll keep watching. Thanks.
Could you try to visit, at least? Sorry to hear you still have feelings for the place. I think if you visited it would give you some peace for your past. I too would love to visit although it is still a lot of money to fly out there to stay for a month but I am not giving up hope of visiting just yet. I always said I will travel when I retire. Retirement came quick for me because of an illness and my RA now makes it difficult to walk long distances. I would now advise young folk to travel when you are still young. Do not wait until you retire because you never know how things will change.
@@Dan-xx5jq I spent a week there this year after nearly twenty years of not visiting, but it was so different and my family was gone. It was like seeing someone you once knew but no longer recognized. I enjoyed it, there were just a lot of mixed feelings about it. Some day I hope to visit again. For now, I just tell everyone else to.
This is so awesome! It feels like you guys blended in, culturally speaking. It all goes down to how tolerant and patient you are when moving abroad. Like he has said: it is not for everyone, lots of Americans would have a hard time adapting to Portugal. Can't wait to see you on his videos!
Its so funny that as more and more foreigners from rich countries come to live in Portugal to have fun and enjoy retirement a lot of young Portuguese find themselves having to move to others countries because they cant find any decent job here. And with so many "expats" buying so many real estate here the housing price is also reaching levels that are inaccessible for locals especially people with lower education that rely on minimum wage jobs.
It's our understanding that for well over a decade that young Portuguese people have been moving abroad to seek better paying jobs. The data shows that as well. - Josh & Kalie
I agree the government needs to put restrictions on air B and Bs and make sure the locals are taken care of first. Saying the data proves young people have been moving abroad to seek better paying jobs does not really address the issue as there are many young people who cannot leave, also many young people who do not want to leave, as well as families with children and older people who are working in Portugal on a relatively low salary who need their housing prices not to inflate due to long term tourists. The Spanish, Italian and Portuguese natives are putting pressure on their governments to change the rules for long term tourism and immigration policies. The Europeans are getting fed up with massive immigration all over Europe.
Great story Dave. Expat for 25 years living in The Netherlands retiring in 2 weeks bought home in Azoren islands for the same price as my flat in NL. Looking forward to learning another EU language language. Some of the natives don't like seeing Expats coming because of forced gentrification. Germans, Canadians and Americans are buying properties like lottery tickets
My take: Portugal has been marketed as an ideal place to get a Golden Visa based upon to two USP: an immediate entry to the Schengen Zone for those nationals who need a Schengen visa, and a place where a temporary residency that could be converted into a permanent residency leading eventually to naturalization without the need for physical presence in the country.. The result was a hike in property to price level that goes in sync with the changing Golden Visa rules. The prices of the offered properties where ridiculously high, and Now that the conventional Golden Visa has ended, the marketers pivot toward Greece and the results are exactly the same. I've been based in Cyprus for the last ten years and Cyprus has gone through exactly the same cycle of inflated real-estate prices when the CBI program was still alive and kicking. Nowadays the same is true vis-a-vis real-estate prices as stipulated in order to gain temporary residency, and with the new adjustments to rules as of February of this year, the whole exercise has become to expensive altogether for non-multi millionaires .
According to statistics, only 12,718 Golden Visas were granted in total from 2012-2023 (incl. non-property visas). But sure, these >12k people are responsible solely for the housing crisis 🙄 The property part of the golden visas has long been discontinued, yet prices are still rising in Portugal 🤔 Who's your boogeyman now?
It isn’t just big roads and well laid out neighborhoods that we Americans like. We like not hearing all the dogs in the neighborhood barking, we like newer & quieter cars that aren’t stink bombs, we like not hearing our neighbors talking/having sex/playing their music, not having our neighbors burning brush, etc. We like the luxury of space. As much as I love the simple life in Portugal, it would cost me more to insulate myself from the air and noise pollution than it may be worth - even in relatively remote places where the neighbors are less but the dogs and burning are more.
Great collaboration here. I'm glad the algorithm brought me here. This video was very well done and hearing Dave yet again speak about his experience with Portugal with such passion. ✨️✨️
Hello Dave, Amazing videos and beautiful work. I have living and work in different countries in Europe and I have been in USA 3 times. In fact I was very close to move and live in Alabama Decatur. Portugal still my favorite country in the world. The country itself, the people, the food, and the tradition’s. Please make a video about the beautiful celebration’s in every town all over Portugal. And you could make a book about it for everyone to know when this happened. I have in mind to travel all over Portugal soon I retire. And of course I will bring some friends with me. I know in some places they celebrate feiras where they can sell everything from a Bifana to a caw, from a plastic bowl to a ceramic pot etc. etc. Another’s they have procissão a certain saint or virgin fallow by the children dressed as angels. It is so many celebrations, we can just go to one each week. Every town or city as one. 🥰 I think they even have one for the corn and one for the wine. 💝🇵🇹
This was great. Dave has shared such a brilliant and practical perspective on his channel with some stunning visuals! Thank you Expats Everywhere for this showcase!
What a crossover episode! We were just comparing the choices y’all made yesterday! What timing. We live near Mafra and enjoy the best of both worlds. ❤
Yay! Two of my favorite youtubers in an interview together! I move to Setúbal January 11, 2024 thanks to the two of you (Hi, Kaylie!) with all your abundant information online!
Portugal should be ideal for solar air heaters. Large DIY systems with like one or two dozen sqm deliver much energy and operate with very little electric energy.
I am Portuguese and don't agree with you, great changes in our country in the last year's sometimes I think, it's not Portugal, I'm somewhere in Asia , Pakistani,Indians and what the hell delivered everywhere 😢
As an Ecuadorian living in USA Then moving to Costa Rica. And back to USA I can tell once you get used to "commodities" you get in USA it is hard to accept the ways on other countries. Still some of us keep trying to find the perfect place.going from one country to another till the day we die
I do worry about that too, in my quest to find that perfect location, to retire on my measly budget. Even though I don't live an extravagant life style in the US, a few chronic illnesses has made life more challenging and this is true the older one gets. If the electricity goes out in a storm in the summer, I find it unbearable to go an hour without air conditioning. Fortunately I own a vehicle, so I can take off to one of the beautiful libraries we have in our city and hang out there. I know most developing countries have issues with providing power on a continuous basis. In the Philippines, they call them 'brown outs' and are fairly common from watching other American YTers living there complain about it. And because of my chronic illnesses I worry if they act up, will I get the care at the hospital I visit? I had considered the Philippines at one time as lots of American retires raved about it especially since it was affordable. However after keeping up with their videos I have seen them run into major problems when it comes to medical. An Australian guy that fractured his elbow that needed surgery, used the local medical facilities and had to share a bed with another patient..I was shocked! Of course if he had insurance he could have gone to a private hospital which a just a little better, but not to the standards we have in the US. At the same time, since I live alone in the US, it is very lonely as most folk keep to themselves whereas in developing countries one can afford to hire 'help' to take care of the chores and provide some company. Then of course is the cost of living, my disability income is barely enough for me to survive here in the US, and usually eat one meal a day. I am also too lazy to go get groceries to cook it. 😂 It would be nice to hire someone to do all that. Some developing countries have families that will supply you with a home cooked meal twice a day delivered, basically whatever the family is eating that day, for cheap. One thing for sure it is fresh food, unlike the awful TV dinners that are part of my life here. So, I just don't know how to decide if it going to work out for me. They do say a chance in environment can do a lot of good for one's psyche. I am trying to visit but that takes money too. Sorry, I am just confused. Any thoughts?
We came from Brazil 2019, opned a turism business and then the Covid ... we opened another business move from Lisbon to Mafra and bought a ruin... we just started this new chapter
I moved to the USA over twenty years ago and now moving to Europe. I am so worried because it was my husband's decision. It wasn't easy to change when I moved to the States. Now I have to get used to another culture and language. I am an adaptable person and a fast learner however, I am little anxious about moving.
Your channel is soooo helpful! Love it! My husband is American, and we have been located in Thailand for a few years, but as a European Im missing the European lifestyle. So we are looking at buying a farm or similar in Portugal. Exited to explore this country! yay!
Thank you, Erika! We appreciate the love. We lived in Asia for 10 years and really got drawn back to the European lifestyle too. We're very happy here. - Josh & Kalie
Nice to hear Dave lives in the region where my family lives for centuries. My family is from a small village close to the small town of Cadaval. I'm guessing Dave lives in the surroundings of Caldas da Rainha. But we'll never know, because he's very secretive about it 😅
Some Americans do call themselves immigrants. We prefer not to look at immigrant or expat as a dirty word. Instead the differentiation we make is that an immigrant moves to a new place with a long term or permanent intentions in mind. For Kalie and I personally, we've lived in 5 different countries in our nearly 15 years abroad, mainly on work contracts so we're expats in that regard where we've moved for short/medium term or temporary intentions in mind. That hasn't changed. - Josh & Kalie
Due to most people having lots of money and buying up property, everything is becoming very expensive. Europe is overrun with millions of wealthy tourists. That causes long waits in lines and greatly impacts tourist experience and dollars. The ambience and charm of many cities and places is being lost. I plan to revisit Europe that is incredibly beautiful. However, I plan to live in America.
Love your videos guys and Daves been following both for last 18 months and bought a house in Central close to Caxarias but living between New Zealand and Portugal at the mo. Back in Portugal in April yay
Thanks for the love! We appreciate the shout. NZ is awesome. We visited there back when we lived in Singapore. Great place but so remote. Hope to make it back one day with Cia. - Josh & Kalie
I don’t know, I think a lot of Americans are sick of strip malls, suburbs, developments, sameness of the country, having a car be constructing but necessary. Living in Central America I loved everything being old, beutiful courtyards and squares, being more relaxed even with a lot of hustle and bustle around. Rarely I would get this feeling of needing something modern (it felt more secure to me I guess), but then I would go to the modern mall like in Guatemala City for a few hours and be over it. The only modern I would want is medicine but the rest I don’t see missing it is just stress and clutter in my brain. I think this is a pretty common sentiment tho for many Americans.
The guest says he didn't stay in Lisbon due to affordability and noisy neighbors, that's fine but then he says he went with a different town that's popular with surfers and has a large party scene...large party scene sounds like noisy neighbors though, that was contradictory and confusing.
So I'm curious. Is it possible to live in a city (not Lisbon) as a retiree from the US and live somewhere where they are *not* building retirement communities which cater to people from the US and Canada? I'm from NYC, and my idea about living in Portugal (or anywhere in Europe) was to live in a European city, not a replication of a US suburban gated community. I don't have to be in a big city (I've lived in mid sized and small US cities; I just don't want to be in a car-dependent suburb). I did that in the US and it's not my style. Any suggestions?
Hi, you have some nice small cities near the coast, where you have everything you need, and you don’t need a car! Besides these cities are cheaper than Lisbon or Oporto. In the north there are Viana do Castelo, Braga and Guimarães, in the center you have Aveiro, Coimbra and Leiria… and the south but is more expensive, and touristic…
@daveinportugal do you think when that number of 10,000 Americans are living in Portugal includes people like my parents and uncles and aunts as well as many other Portuguese Americans from here in the East Coast of the US that go back to Portugal after 30-40 years here in the US? People like my parents don’t stick out as Americans because they were born in Portugal and have always spoke Portuguese even though they are technically Americans and are American citizens. My family’s house is in a tiny village halfway between Caldas & Óbidos.
I laughed when Dave mentioned how many US Americans he has met since being here. I was in a campsite and logged on to the wifi, and "Verizon" popped up, so I was on a quest to find the Americans. Lol. So far, they are two of five US citizens I've met in four years here.
Even if I would sell everything I own, still couldn't afford living in Portugal. For people that don't have much money and no own property to sell it's very difficult to move there. And if you want to rent an apartment, you'll need to pay at least 6 month of rent up front to get it.
Great video! Appreciate you! I am protugese Canadian and just unexpectedly spent a month in Portugal (was robbed day 4 😂 and needed to wait for a new passport). I am now considering buying property there for work, and personal vacations. Do you have any videos on what to expect if buying in Portugal?
Hi Dave, I'm an (old) expat living in the Philippines. Admittedly, I haven't watched many of your vids. I am drawn to watching central Portugal videos on properties for sale around small villages, as well as the expats renovating old houses of ruiness nature. My observations are these small little villages that seem to barely hanging on due to a declining population of remaining senior citizens. These small village/towns sadly(to me) look like beautiful ghost towns. Obviously, there is a shortage of tax base to maintain them. Shop owners with few customers. Cost of living certainly isn't cheap either. Will these villages survive? Will/do they receive government help? Would like to hear your thoughts on this. Geoff in the Philippines
So he makes the assumption that older people don’t like southern Portugal because it’s lively with music and fireworks 🙄 He should live in Mexico where all of us “old” people live with this everyday.
What about high speed internet access outside the big cities... I am a musician as well.. seeking a place without disturbing neighbors with my practicing, and teaching by Internet. (zoom). If I chose a rural area, could I rely on high speed internet being available and reliable????
I heard the locals are becoming resentful of Outsiders with a ton of money from richer European countries especially from the cold northern countries have been moving to Portugal and driven the prices up. This is especially true of real estate, there are quite a few YT channels of folk from Britain who have bought Portuguese properties and are redoing the houses and then putting them back on the market at very higher prices. The locals do not have those incomes to afford to buy or rent those places.
Hey, I’m not young. You make it sound like we all want to live in American style suburbs and golf. I need to be in a cheap place that has transportation. Like a medium sized city. I am urban
I was in Nazare in 1964 and I did not like it. Someone told my dad to buy land there. The waves are very rough and the ocean was too cold. Many Portuguese leave / move to France, Switzerland, UK for jobs. My dads cousin moved to Portugal in 1954 and worked for the Herald Tribune. I liked Obidos.
He is under the misapprehension that California = the US. His observations about Portugal are interesting, but I think he has a very limited understanding of his own country.
The Portuguese people are very apologetic about their past especially their part in the Slave Trade. When Angola recently discovered a ship wreck off their coast of a Portuguese galleon with a few million dollars of gold, Portugal asked them to keep it. I find it difficult to believe the Portuguese people were so prolific in the Slave trade as most Europeans today describe them as very easy going, kind folk?? Although we must keep in mind only a small subset of their population were involved in the Slave trade. I don't know if African Slaves were brought to Portugal?? From West Africa, Slaves were shipped to Brazil, via Cuba etc, and even on the East African coast they moved Slaves to Goa, India. Most folk are aware of the descendants of Africans in Brazil but few are aware of the Africans that were taken to Goa, India. Of course, the Slaves taken from, Mozambique-to-Kenya, to Goa were very small in number compared to the Transatlantic Slave trade. I only recently discovered this from a YT video of the descendants of these Africans that were taken to Goa that still exist today in India. A few of them integrated into the Goan community, (they actually a YTer from Goa who had has own channel). However, the majority staged a revolution in the 18th century and fled into the interior jungles of India and are presently found, in the neighboring State of Karnataka. They have lost all connections to Africa, apart from handful of African words, to a couple of African musical instruments. They speak the Indian languages of Goa and Karnataka in now live in neat little peaceful villages. The women even dress in saris. They are known as the 'Siddis' of India. Some are also found in Gujarat with the tiny Portuguese enclaves that existed then. I thought it was truly tragic and so fascinating at the same time. However they bear no resentment about their past. A few African American tourists and YTers have visited them and tried to engage with them about their past, but they seemed almost irritated by it all, it was as if too far in their past and India was their home. A couple of few youngsters expressed interest in visiting Africa, but said India was their home now. It is a huge contrast to the African Americans and how they view their past. I do think Portugal could do something for them..ie support building of schools or sponsoring a few youngsters to emigrate to Portugal. If Portugal can give free citizenship to the Goans of Goa for three generations since 1961, I do think some kind of gesture of Goodwill could be done to these folk. I believe their numbers may be less than a million and most old folk would not migrant to Portugal. If someone from Portugal reading this has the power to do this, make it happen. One must remember to that the Arab Slave trade was must larger and lasted longer than the Transatlantic Slave trade, with one MAJOR exception: All the African Slaves taken to the Middle East were all castrated. That is why none of their descendants exist today in the Middle East. If they were not castrated their numbers today would exceed the numbers of descendants found in the Americas today! Saudi Arabia ended Slavery only in 1960.
Dan, African slaves were brought to Portugal to slave trade with Europe and internal use. In Portugal, only rich people could afford to buy a slave. Having five slaves was only for very rich people but there were some who had up to 50 slaves. There were thousands of african slaves in Portugal from the XVI to XVIII centuries. In Lisbon they were as much as 10% of the population in it's highest. Slave trade to Portugal was legally abolished in 1761. Then, in 1773 every newborn from a slave mother should be free but only by 1854 all slavery was abolished in Portugal. But the problem continued in the colonies. Slave trade and slavery were abolished only in 1875.
People in the north are typically very friendly and welcoming. In general, Portuguese people are friendly and welcoming, however in the big cities and especially in the south people are fed up with foreigners because they are taking over the economy and spaces to the point where the demand for housing has increased greatly and so have the rents, mortgages, and cost of living. Portugal is not a powerful country nor is it wealthy like the USA or the UK, so it's starting to affect the native population who already struggled financially. So although we like and enjoy visitors, we are starting to get concerned and annoyed with the great migration of foreigners into our little country. In the north is not as bad - yet! But I am afraid that it will change soon because of all the promotional videos on social media.
The areas of Lisbon and Porto are more expensive to live in, but you will find all the facilities of modern life in big cities. However, Portugal is a small country without such a large population. If you leave the top 10 cities, you will start to notice a lack of infrastructure even though you are not that far from a big city. Still, it all depends on your lifestyle. Personally, I prefer intermediate cities, that is, not so expensive, with good infrastructure and not full of tourists. Therefore, my option continues to be Braga: 200 thousand inhabitants, good university, some shopping malls, many events throughout the year, 40 minutes from Esposende beach, 30 minutes from the mountains (Parque Nacional do Gerês) and 50 minutes from Porto (and from the International Airport). The metro only exists in the Lisbon and Porto regions, but public transport serves Braga satisfactorily and it is also possible to travel between cities by train.
Whatever the country, learn the local language and interact with the natives. The best part of living in another country is absorbing a new culture and developing a new lifestyle and creating new connections, that is, seeing the world in a different way.
Problem is that in the north and the center of Portugal, it rains every day in the winter. So depressing and nothing to do. That's why I prefer Lisbon.
Hey Sophie, it seems like for most of the past two winters barring a few storm systems that have been further north, whatever the weather is in Porto, it's similar to the weather in Lisbon. Definitely over the whole Lisbon is warmer year round compared to the north. Alternatively, the summers don't get too hot up here at least along the coast whereas if it's hot up here in the summer, it's blazing hot from Lisbon and further south. To each their own, right? - Josh & Kalie
Love how this interview gave a bit of big picture / backstory / Meta of Dave in Portugal. And cheers to being in the countryside! While the cities of europe are incredible and I love them, I think for our family as foreigners its been easier in village life to get a sense of the people, traditions, and culture than if we were in a bigger more cosmopolitan city.
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It was a great pleasure to meet you guys and do this interview! Excited to feature you guys in my next Porto video coming soon! 😉
The pleasure was ours, man! We’re looking forward to seeing how the match footage turned out. Next time we’ll have to get Kalie to Budapest Bar for a deep chat. 😃 - Josh
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Fun interview! It’s interesting. I’m not young… (probably old enough to be Mom to all of you… but I lived in Atouguia da Baleia (5 minutes from Ferrel, Baleal and Peniche… and I loved it. In fact, that’s where I plan to make my permanent home.
I hav no interest in living in an North American expat community… I love to meet people from all over the world (and I love to guess where they are from based on language and accents). I’m from Canada’s capital, and it’s has always been a cultural melting pot. That feels good to me! The Portuguese people are not unlike a lot of Canadians… but even better! They welcome you in… all you have to do is greet them with a BomDia, say thank them with a smile and Obrigada and be humble and kind. You are in their country so simply respect that fact, always and they will love you!
Admittedly, I didn’t know much about the Portuguese culture before deciding to rent a house there… I did lot of research and was so excited to have the experiences I did and it was super helpful to have an idea of what to expect.
There were not many TH-camrs doing great videos as there are now… I learned a lot from the fantastic Rick Steves videos. I have to admit, when I did look on TH-cam all I found were surfing video and I don’t surf. I thought, oh boy, it’s going to be all you kids my daughter’s age and younger… but it wasn’t like that. Yes, lots of surfing (and now I’m hooked on watching) but normal everyday people live in every town.
The day I arrived, I landed at the airport, fell in love, after my first Pastel de Nata (literally my friend was waiting at the airport with one, LOL)… And that was it!
* you know what I will say about foreigners moving, in this case to Portugal and for the most part it’s the US Americans and the people from the UK (more than any other group)… that you have 2 choices. If you learn, become adaptable and choose to adapt, it will be a hugely better experience!
@@JenShea i totally agree with you^^ im native Portuguese and you forgot 1 thing.. go slowly dont need to rush,,, Americans tend to live in a rush (dont know about the Canadians) but here we live life more slowly and that may be a shock^^ and yes ... learning a few words of Portuguese is good to interact with the locals ... especially the elders which are not familiar with English language..
we have a say here in Portugal : "In Rome be Roman!" and you will see things will be just great^^
All the good to you^^
Dave! Are you from Reno? I love your TH-cams. I lived in Reno for 9 years...I'm headed to Portugal soon! ;-)
I'm originally from Portugal and have been in the US for 40 years. When I arrived here in 1984 I had a guy arguing with me that Portugal was in South America and I told him: I'm from Portugal so I know where Portugal is but you put Portugal wherever you like!
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I always love it when two of my favorite TH-camrs make a video together.
Dave is racist, narcissist and opportunistic.. So not a favorite youtuber material tbh
Woooo :-) Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere love you guys, keep up the good work
I've watched both channels for some time now and love the comparisons of experience, particularly rural vs urban.
@@girlybutch Yes, same here!
Finally came back to my Portugal after 40 years in the USA. Having left as a barely turned teenager, this has been a good challenge...despite the few negatives Portugal throws our way, but how I wish I had come sooner! Portugal is NOT for anyone, but if you wait it out and give it chance... it's a dream. Thanks Dave and all others that decided to give Portugal a chance. Yes gentrification and Air B&B is not good, but overall, what you do for our economy and self esteem, is unmeasurable. ❤
My parents immigrated to the US in the 60s. I was born in the US but grew up in a Portuguese community. My family is from around the silver coast. The times that I have visited Portugal, I just felt like I was home. I’ve been thinking about getting my citizenship in order and moving back. Life there is just so much more peaceful than where I live in the US.
That’s how I felt when I made my first pilgrimage in 2018. I experienced my family’s home in the Azores, followed by visiting Lisbon and area. Muito tranquilo.
There are many peaceful small towns in USA .I live in one .
To all ethnically Portuguese you are welcome and wanted and needed in Portugal. Don’t be discouraged by the people working in the embassies / consulates and all the burocracy. If you can prove one of your grandparents was Portuguese it will be an easy process, for you even easier. There is good and bad in every country but Europeans in general are more truthful and genuine. We need Portuguese people to come back with customer service mentality and a can do it all mentality, like it exists in the USA. 💞 Heck we need Portuguese in Portugal before they sell the country to Chinese, Americans, Brits and Germans. Very dangerous to our national security.
@@periscope7731Same situation here. Parents left Azores in the 1960s. I saw Azores as a child at age 7 and 11, but reconnection really did kick in until in 2018 when I went. After that visit, I thought of the Azores and family there EVERY DAY. In 2023, I filled out my citizenship application. The consulate contacted me, said everything was in order and sent materials off to Lisbon. In Summer 2023 I resolved to go to the Azores again and visit Lisbon for the first time. I loved Lisbon, and it was so nice to see wider Portuguese culture beyond just what I knew from the Azores. I learned some things that I didn't know before. I've now resolved to visit every two years, and explore more of Portugal over time. I feel like I've developed a love affair with the culture of my parents. I've improved my Portuguese speaking skills, and the first full Portuguese conversation I had in Lisbon, the gentleman detected the "sotaque Micaelense". Lol. I've been listening to Portuguese artists in the car and my night walks, and been getting more Portuguese products here in Canada. I think about Portugal every day.
You are the type of person we want in Portugal. You have family roots and heritage. We do NOT want all these carpetbaggers who come to only make a profit and raise housing so Portuguese families cannot purchase property or houses. You are welcome to re-establish your roots.
I'm American Portuguese. My family came to America in the mid seventies from Nova Lisboa/ Huambo, Angola, Africa. My family originated from Viseu and Aveiro in previous generations. We still have a lot of family in Portugal and across Europe. 🇵🇹❤ thanks for the video! It was great!
Yes. Cape Verdeans are Portuguese as well
I LOVE Cape Verde!!! Viva Cabo Verde@@AzureKite191
Thanks for sharing your background! It's great to hear about who's out there watching. You're welcome and thank you for watching. - Josh & Kalie
Engraçado, gerações de portugueses que fugiram de Portugal e agora cruzificam os imigrantes brasileiros e africanos que fazem o mesmo. Bando de hipocritas.
Por isso e por outras que Portugal é uma merda!
@@AzureKite191 they are not .
You all do realize that implying 'Expat' is another way of saying I'm not an immigrant because I'm better than you. Please stop referring to immigrants from the U.S. or U.K. as Expats or maybe call everyone from Mexico in the U.S. as Expats?
Yes you are correct. They all are immigrants with no money and taking away young Portuguese jobs. I don’t see the benefit to Portuguese communities. I rather have the older retired folks with a pension and don’t need a job. They spend money in our communities
I agree especially seeing how these people are moving to these European countries because of affordability meaning economy which is one of the top reasons why immigrants immigrate...they're no different but pretend that they are.
This is true. But if you don't work there and have to rely on your own healthcare and are self sufficient, are you entirely an immigrant? An immigrant can integrate into the community and tap into social services. If you are coming in on Part D you can do neither.
Another great vid, and I think this does an excellent job of dispelling some myths and generalizations about what is happening in Portugal (assuming massive numbers of "Americans" moving in), and the ease (or not) of integrating when arriving with certain expectations. Having been here now 2 1/2 years I can easily say that my experiences have been somewhat different from Dave's with regards to locals' willingness to help out in conversations, norms etc....I have found that almost across the board the locals in my day to day life have been so eager to engage and play along! To me, that's just representative of the overall warmth, openness, and acceptance of my host country. Everyday it reinforces to me how lucky I am to be here and call this my new home. Additionally, was refreshing to hear Dave point out his reasons for embracing the move - wanting something more, new, and different. Thanks again for all that the lot of you guys do to get the message and facts out :)
Love Dave in Portugal. One of my favorite channels.
Thanks for sharing, Chuck. - Josh & Kalie
I love it when two of my favorite TH-cam channels get together!
Thank you very much. We were glad to get together. - Josh & Kalie
Dave is a cool down to earth guy, I met him randomly with my family at a cafe here in Portugal. I have lived here as long as Dave and my wife has been here for over 6 years. I love Portugal and the experience here has been great, it feels like home now! :) I have not been to any other place in Europe only Portugal. Great job with your videos! I like the content. (maybe we could meet) Força! :)
He certainly is. Thanks for the comment. If you ever see us out, say "hello". - Josh & Kalie
Dave has one of the best Portugal channels out there. He doesn't sugarcoat it, which is exactly what viewers want. I've followed a lot of other TH-cam Portugal channels, in fact probably all of them. So many of them are the exact opposite. Many of them provide very selective viewpoints and limited or biased feedback and information. Dave's channel is top notch. Thanks for your content Dave!
He certainly does have a great channel. He hope Dave sees this comment. - Josh & Kalie
I really appreciate the kind words. Comments like these keep me going!
I love your work, you are realistic in your information, you don't paint an incorrect picture of the country. Obviously, my country is neither a paradise nor a hell, as everything has pros and cons and in your work you expose these truths. As a Portuguese, I am extremely proud to be able to count on you in this Portugal of mine/yours.
Thank you for the love. We're not sure if you're addressing us or Dave but we'll take it. Thanks for sharing Portugal with us. - Josh & Kalie
Hi.. I am Portuguese i lived in UK for over twenty years .. I needed a change .. twentieth years ago I decided to move to Portugal it has bean a challenge and I am loving it .. saying that excellent video wish you well ..
What was the best and worst part of moving back?
I stopped watching Dave in Portugal because his videos went from being great to increasingly negative towards Portugal. I mean, you can't move from America to Europe expecting American standards and similar cultures. I'd say only about 10% of Europe in whole might be similar to American culture. The increasing moaning about this and that put me off. You are NOT in America mate, you're in Portugal which is similar throughout Europe. I'd hate to see him visit Eastern Europe.. that would be a wild one. Cultures are different. In Portugal they don't want to ruin their culture and become Americanised, they just don't. They want to live the peaceful, slow family life and enjoy their great quality of life that they have. No offense intended, just my thoughts. I've been to Portugal many times and lived there for years and for me, it's was absolutely amazing.
No offense taken. Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
I am shocked to learn that Cascais is being referred to as the California of Portugal. Mauricio Umansky, an American real estate broker and owner of The Agency, is opening an office in Portugal. We can expect more high-end real estate to be gobbled up by foreign investors moving forward. I stand firm in my belief that gentrification will not change the nature or character of my Portuguese blood brothers and sisters whom I have always known to be very unpretentious people. By and large, they are very humble and not the least bit status conscious or star struck. This attitude is reflected in the way they dress, what they eat, and in their values, priorities, and in how they conduct themselves out and about.
I haven't watched any of his videos but it always intrigues me how this descent to negativity occurs after the honeymoon period is over (post 13-18 months) but then when interviewed everything is rosy again. I've been living in Nicaragua for 18 months now and this totally applies to me!
@@periscope7731sorry .. but gentrification is already happening in Portugal very SEVERE way thanks to this hype of experience living in Portugal... Portuguese are not happy at all with this situation, they are being prevented to buy or even rent a house. Same situation applies to the imigrants that move here to work (real work) that actually needs a house.
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Good interview. Kalie is a good listener.
:-) She is. Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
Dave’s channel is great! Even for a Portuguese like me that is living abroad and thinking about come back next year to Portugal is great to have a “impartial” opinion about living in Portugal!
Thanks for your videos!
Engaging video. I resonate with Dave's grounded perspective on what it's like for Americans moving to Portugal once the honeymoon period wears off and their real adjustment begins. Kalie asks the best questions.
Thank you very much. Kalie does ask great questions and her listening skills are fantastic. - Josh
It’s great to see Dave on Expats Everywhere in this interview. You two are my favorites and both are so informative on realistic living in Portugal. Keep up the great work guys!!!
Thank you very much. It was great to have Dave on. We appreciate your kind words. We'll keep it up. - Josh & Kalie
Great interview.... As a Portuguese/American living in Portugal I say Dave and the Expats Everywhere are really great!!!! Honest straight forward talk.... Porugal is not for everyone and so isn't any other country in the world...
Thank you very much. :-) We appreciate the support. - Josh & Kalie
Great job Dave. You have inspired me to create my own channel so when I arrive to Portugal which is FINALLY FRIDAY. I am going to document my journey. It is a heck of a lot of work to create content, film and edit. I see that now. I am practicing on my renovation that I have been doing in Upstate New York since Covid and will be selling. So exciting to see your channel has grown. I sure could use some help after I get situated...Cheers my friend. Appreciate all of the great videos and content. You ROCK! Gina in Upstate New York USA moving to Central Portugal
All the best with your channel. - Josh & Kalie
Yet another great, informative interview, Kalie!
Thank you, Terri! - Josh & Kalie
Finally catching up and seeing this. I followed Dave's channel but had a bad experience in the comment section so I moved on. My bad. This video is solid and I appreciate the honest outlook on things. Thanks.
Welcome back! Thanks for watching and commenting. Good to see you again. - Josh & Kalie
oddly Dave, I think that was the best of all your videos, because it gave you a chance to give perspectives of all your videos and experiences compared to others. .like how you compared how friendly people were in the north and as you go south things start to change.. that has happened to me a couple of times but now you validated the truth of it.. your videos also have gotten so much better recently , and of course you were kind of a stumbling new comer to the country at first and in this very short 2 years you have come a long long way in so many waysdue to the potential you have always had..
yes true, I am portuguese and so I can say yes North to south People have some diferent values, its mostly historic, you see Portugal was invaded several times by several diferent cultures, not going to detail but generally the north is much more catholic poor and much more populated, so u find the north more cheaper, people help more each other generally more warm opposite to the weather witch is more rainy and cold, the more you go to south the less catholic you find People so money is more a value to the south than it is in the north, family unity is more strong in the North and you feel it, Dave has felt it , the exparts everywhere to and the cheap side..., it is not to say the People from the south will not help or be warm but its not 9 out of 10, it will go 6 out of 10.
But from Americans i see here or follow a lot in videos ( my brother lives in USA its a teacher of medicine in a University there and I have been there to several times ) , that come to PT they normally find everything interesting and wooou...but after 6 moths or less they begin to moan...we Portuguese are less extreme generally but like everything has its ups and downs...like improvement is slower, some things in Portugal are not undestood even some here dont understand the reasons and causes of the state of things, Burocracy has its roots, why some state department has diferent interpretations, why we complain a lot of ourselfs but dont go the next mile to improve or force things to change it has simple explanations...remeber its a hint Portugal 50 years ago was a super poor state or better not the state its major population we came from the biguest or longuest dictatorship in Europe history we were a closed country to other cultures for so long, we have part of this population still living, my other brother is a teacher in the north Oporto region, the poverty there is some areas is stuning, he had children that never had seen the sea witch is at 20/30 kms, yes never seen the sea, so he took some to see it, it is just to see and remember how sometimes there are cultural changes in the making still to be a country truly developed...i could go on but its not the place...cheers to all
It was very much the idea of the video to give Dave the space to give his perspectives and his origin story. Sometimes it's really hard to do on ones own channel. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for the comment @Hdio99. The 6 month marker of Americans in Portugal isn't a Portugal thing. It's an American abroad or foreigner abroad thing. The honeymoon ends and the greater frustrations beginning. :-) It's all a part of the relocation process. - Josh & Kalie
muito obrigado @@Hdio99 . a pesar do que disse, agradeço todas e cada uma das suas palavras do seu resumo sobre esta co-evoluçao sobre tempo, a explicar os acontecimentos e aspectos que resultam na cultura e no povo de hoje . Foi uma rara oportunidade para ter uma compreensão mais profunda ..I hope to read more of your insights on TH-cam!
Dave, I was taken from Portugal as a child and it's become my biggest regret in life. But I'm now too tied down over here to ever go back and have to live the experience through people like you. Keep making videos and I'll keep watching. Thanks.
Could you try to visit, at least? Sorry to hear you still have feelings for the place. I think if you visited it would give you some peace for your past.
I too would love to visit although it is still a lot of money to fly out there to stay for a month but I am not giving up hope of visiting just yet. I always said I will travel when I retire. Retirement came quick for me because of an illness and my RA now makes it difficult to walk long distances. I would now advise young folk to travel when you are still young. Do not wait until you retire because you never know how things will change.
@@Dan-xx5jq I spent a week there this year after nearly twenty years of not visiting, but it was so different and my family was gone. It was like seeing someone you once knew but no longer recognized. I enjoyed it, there were just a lot of mixed feelings about it. Some day I hope to visit again. For now, I just tell everyone else to.
This is so awesome! It feels like you guys blended in, culturally speaking. It all goes down to how tolerant and patient you are when moving abroad. Like he has said: it is not for everyone, lots of Americans would have a hard time adapting to Portugal. Can't wait to see you on his videos!
Thank you, Veronica! We're all certainly trying to do the best we can. You know. :-) - Josh & Kalie
It is such a beautiful place to live, and keeps your mind working and young.
Its so funny that as more and more foreigners from rich countries come to live in Portugal to have fun and enjoy retirement a lot of young Portuguese find themselves having to move to others countries because they cant find any decent job here. And with so many "expats" buying so many real estate here the housing price is also reaching levels that are inaccessible for locals especially people with lower education that rely on minimum wage jobs.
It's our understanding that for well over a decade that young Portuguese people have been moving abroad to seek better paying jobs. The data shows that as well. - Josh & Kalie
And now all these Asians think they come to paradise,most of them don't like to work, Portugal goes in a very bad direction
I agree the government needs to put restrictions on air B and Bs and make sure the locals are taken care of first. Saying the data proves young people have been moving abroad to seek better paying jobs does not really address the issue as there are many young people who cannot leave, also many young people who do not want to leave, as well as families with children and older people who are working in Portugal on a relatively low salary who need their housing prices not to inflate due to long term tourists. The Spanish, Italian and Portuguese natives are putting pressure on their governments to change the rules for long term tourism and immigration policies. The Europeans are getting fed up with massive immigration all over Europe.
Great injection of reality to the travel TH-cam matrix. Kalie's hair is absolutely perfect!
The "I'm doin' it" moment is life changing if planned well. The lockdown was good for propelling many to pivot and make life what you want.
Portuguese are the friendliest people in Europe. Portugal is Great to visit and to Live !
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Great story Dave. Expat for 25 years living in The Netherlands retiring in 2 weeks bought home in Azoren islands for the same price as my flat in NL. Looking forward to learning another EU language language. Some of the natives don't like seeing Expats coming because of forced gentrification. Germans, Canadians and Americans are buying properties like lottery tickets
Great interview Kailie! Dave seems like a good guy.
Thank you! He is. - Josh & Kalie
My take: Portugal has been marketed as an ideal place to get a Golden Visa based upon to two USP: an immediate entry to the Schengen Zone for those nationals who need a Schengen visa, and a place where a temporary residency that could be converted into a permanent residency leading eventually to naturalization without the need for physical presence in the country.. The result was a hike in property to price level that goes in sync with the changing Golden Visa rules. The prices of the offered properties where ridiculously high, and Now that the conventional Golden Visa has ended, the marketers pivot toward Greece and the results are exactly the same. I've been based in Cyprus for the last ten years and Cyprus has gone through exactly the same cycle of inflated real-estate prices when the CBI program was still alive and kicking. Nowadays the same is true vis-a-vis real-estate prices as stipulated in order to gain temporary residency, and with the new adjustments to rules as of February of this year, the whole exercise has become to expensive altogether for non-multi millionaires .
According to statistics, only 12,718 Golden Visas were granted in total from 2012-2023 (incl. non-property visas). But sure, these >12k people are responsible solely for the housing crisis 🙄
The property part of the golden visas has long been discontinued, yet prices are still rising in Portugal 🤔 Who's your boogeyman now?
I appreciate the work and time you put into your videos man. @DaveinPortugal
It isn’t just big roads and well laid out neighborhoods that we Americans like. We like not hearing all the dogs in the neighborhood barking, we like newer & quieter cars that aren’t stink bombs, we like not hearing our neighbors talking/having sex/playing their music, not having our neighbors burning brush, etc. We like the luxury of space. As much as I love the simple life in Portugal, it would cost me more to insulate myself from the air and noise pollution than it may be worth - even in relatively remote places where the neighbors are less but the dogs and burning are more.
Great collaboration here. I'm glad the algorithm brought me here. This video was very well done and hearing Dave yet again speak about his experience with Portugal with such passion. ✨️✨️
We're glad you're here as well! Thank you for watching. - Josh & Kalie
@DaveinPortugal. I love all your videos. Thank you from a 🇵🇹 in North America.
Love you guys, I follow both channels at least 2 years and is pleasure to see Americans so emerge in my country. Congrats 🎉😊
Hello Dave,
Amazing videos and beautiful work.
I have living and work in different countries in Europe and I have been in USA 3 times.
In fact I was very close to move and live in Alabama Decatur.
Portugal still my favorite country in the world.
The country itself, the people, the food, and the tradition’s.
Please make a video about the beautiful celebration’s in every town all over Portugal.
And you could make a book about it for everyone to know when this happened.
I have in mind to travel all over Portugal soon I retire.
And of course I will bring some friends with me.
I know in some places they celebrate feiras where they can sell everything from a Bifana to a caw, from a plastic bowl to a ceramic pot etc. etc.
Another’s they have procissão a certain saint or virgin fallow by the children dressed as angels.
It is so many celebrations, we can just go to one each week.
Every town or city as one. 🥰 I think they even have one for the corn and one for the wine.
💝🇵🇹
This was great. Dave has shared such a brilliant and practical perspective on his channel with some stunning visuals!
Thank you Expats Everywhere for this showcase!
I’m so glad you’re here in Portugal
You’re awesome
I’m also a musician
Your Portuguese accent is amazing
What a crossover episode! We were just comparing the choices y’all made yesterday! What timing. We live near Mafra and enjoy the best of both worlds. ❤
Thank you! Wooo! We're glad this video found you with good timing. - Josh & Kalie
We bailed from the US many years ago and wound up in Costa Rica. I think it is the best place on the planet. Been here 24 years now!
I am entertained by your videos and I share them with Anna my daughter who really wants to live in Portugal 🇵🇹.
Muito legal.....Excelente vídeo meu amigo.......parabéns !!!!!!
Thank you, José. - Josh & Kalie
Very Nice interview guys. Enjoyed his perspective and very articulate.
Yay! Two of my favorite youtubers in an interview together! I move to Setúbal January 11, 2024 thanks to the two of you (Hi, Kaylie!) with all your abundant information online!
Portugal should be ideal for solar air heaters. Large DIY systems with like one or two dozen sqm deliver much energy and operate with very little electric energy.
GREAT WATCH! THANKS GUYS
Love it! Thank you all. 😊
Thanks for the love. We appreciate the view. - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations! Your portuguese accent is perfect! Enjoy Portugal and the portuguese! I love your vídeos even when they “hurt”!
Portugal is the best country to live in Europe. Nicest People , nicest weather.❤
I am Portuguese and don't agree with you, great changes in our country in the last year's sometimes I think, it's not Portugal, I'm somewhere in Asia , Pakistani,Indians and what the hell delivered everywhere 😢
And the prices triple in much things in just a Year
When you are Rich and live in these security covered areas maybe it's no matter to you
I like this Guy's ideas. Wish I had a supportive Father, like He did. Not a sabotager.
As an Ecuadorian living in USA Then moving to Costa Rica. And back to USA I can tell once you get used to "commodities" you get in USA it is hard to accept the ways on other countries. Still some of us keep trying to find the perfect place.going from one country to another till the day we die
Very interesting Carmen! Why else didn't Costa Rica work for you or was it just the commodities bit? - Josh & Kalie
So very true 👍
I do worry about that too, in my quest to find that perfect location, to retire on my measly budget. Even though I don't live an extravagant life style in the US, a few chronic illnesses has made life more challenging and this is true the older one gets. If the electricity goes out in a storm in the summer, I find it unbearable to go an hour without air conditioning. Fortunately I own a vehicle, so I can take off to one of the beautiful libraries we have in our city and hang out there. I know most developing countries have issues with providing power on a continuous basis. In the Philippines, they call them 'brown outs' and are fairly common from watching other American YTers living there complain about it. And because of my chronic illnesses I worry if they act up, will I get the care at the hospital I visit? I had considered the Philippines at one time as lots of American retires raved about it especially since it was affordable. However after keeping up with their videos I have seen them run into major problems when it comes to medical. An Australian guy that fractured his elbow that needed surgery, used the local medical facilities and had to share a bed with another patient..I was shocked! Of course if he had insurance he could have gone to a private hospital which a just a little better, but not to the standards we have in the US.
At the same time, since I live alone in the US, it is very lonely as most folk keep to themselves whereas in developing countries one can afford to hire 'help' to take care of the chores and provide some company.
Then of course is the cost of living, my disability income is barely enough for me to survive here in the US, and usually eat one meal a day. I am also too lazy to go get groceries to cook it. 😂
It would be nice to hire someone to do all that. Some developing countries have families that will supply you with a home cooked meal twice a day delivered, basically whatever the family is eating that day, for cheap. One thing for sure it is fresh food, unlike the awful TV dinners that are part of my life here.
So, I just don't know how to decide if it going to work out for me. They do say a chance in environment can do a lot of good for one's psyche. I am trying to visit but that takes money too. Sorry, I am just confused. Any thoughts?
That guy is great, and he keeps it real. I some who had glamorized Portigul took issue with him, but we like it.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
i love your channel guys, always so informative and entertaining same time
We came from Brazil 2019, opned a turism business and then the Covid ... we opened another business move from Lisbon to Mafra and bought a ruin... we just started this new chapter
keep doing that great job both..obrigado.
Thank you, Miguel. Will do! - Josh & Kalie
I moved to the USA over twenty years ago and now moving to Europe. I am so worried because it was my husband's decision. It wasn't easy to change when I moved to the States. Now I have to get used to another culture and language. I am an adaptable person and a fast learner however, I am little anxious about moving.
Sorry I find him very self involved it’s not quite the right word. I don’t know why. I blocked him but here he is. I feel sorry for Portugal. Lol.
Im excited because we just started our Journey in Portugal tbh
Your channel is soooo helpful! Love it! My husband is American, and we have been located in Thailand for a few years, but as a European Im missing the European lifestyle. So we are looking at buying a farm or similar in Portugal. Exited to explore this country! yay!
Thank you, Erika! We appreciate the love. We lived in Asia for 10 years and really got drawn back to the European lifestyle too. We're very happy here. - Josh & Kalie
really great video everyone!
Nice to hear Dave lives in the region where my family lives for centuries. My family is from a small village close to the small town of Cadaval. I'm guessing Dave lives in the surroundings of Caldas da Rainha. But we'll never know, because he's very secretive about it 😅
question, why americans who live abroad refuse to call themselves ''immigrants'' whilst favoring the nonsensical word ''expat''?
Some Americans do call themselves immigrants. We prefer not to look at immigrant or expat as a dirty word. Instead the differentiation we make is that an immigrant moves to a new place with a long term or permanent intentions in mind. For Kalie and I personally, we've lived in 5 different countries in our nearly 15 years abroad, mainly on work contracts so we're expats in that regard where we've moved for short/medium term or temporary intentions in mind. That hasn't changed. - Josh & Kalie
because people like you never read a dictionary. thats why it dont make sense
What a bag of hot air. He talks as If Portugal is an exotic location at the far corners of the Earth. Go back to Jersey.
Due to most people having lots of money and buying up property, everything is becoming very expensive. Europe is overrun with millions of wealthy tourists. That causes long waits in lines and greatly impacts tourist experience and dollars. The ambience and charm of many cities and places is being lost. I plan to revisit Europe that is incredibly beautiful. However, I plan to live in America.
Love your videos guys and Daves been following both for last 18 months and bought a house in Central close to Caxarias but living between New Zealand and Portugal at the mo. Back in Portugal in April yay
Thanks for the love! We appreciate the shout. NZ is awesome. We visited there back when we lived in Singapore. Great place but so remote. Hope to make it back one day with Cia. - Josh & Kalie
Yeah, that's my area, Peniche. I lived in Olhão and Faro and decided to go surfing in Baleal 😂🏄♂️ 🌊
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Great video. Very interesting. Great questions and answers. 😊
Thank you very much for the feedback. - Josh & Kalie
Wait, I can't find a link to Dave's channel. Is it noted and I just don't see it?
Search 'Dave in Portugal' and you'll find his channel.
www.youtube.com/@DaveinPortugal it's in the description section. - Josh
I don’t know, I think a lot of Americans are sick of strip malls, suburbs, developments, sameness of the country, having a car be constructing but necessary. Living in Central America I loved everything being old, beutiful courtyards and squares, being more relaxed even with a lot of hustle and bustle around. Rarely I would get this feeling of needing something modern (it felt more secure to me I guess), but then I would go to the modern mall like in Guatemala City for a few hours and be over it. The only modern I would want is medicine but the rest I don’t see missing it is just stress and clutter in my brain. I think this is a pretty common sentiment tho for many Americans.
The guest says he didn't stay in Lisbon due to affordability and noisy neighbors, that's fine but then he says he went with a different town that's popular with surfers and has a large party scene...large party scene sounds like noisy neighbors though, that was contradictory and confusing.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought it was Dave in Portugal video
it kind of was,, he should post it on his channel.. a really good one..
:-) - Josh & Kalie
So I'm curious. Is it possible to live in a city (not Lisbon) as a retiree from the US and live somewhere where they are *not* building retirement communities which cater to people from the US and Canada? I'm from NYC, and my idea about living in Portugal (or anywhere in Europe) was to live in a European city, not a replication of a US suburban gated community. I don't have to be in a big city (I've lived in mid sized and small US cities; I just don't want to be in a car-dependent suburb). I did that in the US and it's not my style. Any suggestions?
Hi, you have some nice small cities near the coast, where you have everything you need, and you don’t need a car! Besides these cities are cheaper than Lisbon or Oporto. In the north there are Viana do Castelo, Braga and Guimarães, in the center you have Aveiro, Coimbra and Leiria… and the south but is more expensive, and touristic…
Also would be a *very* good idea to learn Portuguese.
@daveinportugal do you think when that number of 10,000 Americans are living in Portugal includes people like my parents and uncles and aunts as well as many other Portuguese Americans from here in the East Coast of the US that go back to Portugal after 30-40 years here in the US? People like my parents don’t stick out as Americans because they were born in Portugal and have always spoke Portuguese even though they are technically Americans and are American citizens. My family’s house is in a tiny village halfway between Caldas & Óbidos.
I laughed when Dave mentioned how many US Americans he has met since being here. I was in a campsite and logged on to the wifi, and "Verizon" popped up, so I was on a quest to find the Americans. Lol. So far, they are two of five US citizens I've met in four years here.
Verizon!!! That's hilarious. - Josh & Kalie
Even if I would sell everything I own, still couldn't afford living in Portugal.
For people that don't have much money and no own property to sell it's very difficult to move there.
And if you want to rent an apartment, you'll need to pay at least 6 month of rent up front to get it.
And it's becoming difficult just to survive,here
Great video! Appreciate you! I am protugese Canadian and just unexpectedly spent a month in Portugal (was robbed day 4 😂 and needed to wait for a new passport). I am now considering buying property there for work, and personal vacations. Do you have any videos on what to expect if buying in Portugal?
"I'm also a drummer. I'm also a musician." ... Sounds like there's a distinction. 🤣
That's so distressing @9:29 so building soulless communities so Americans/Canadians can live like the place they left?
Nice collaboration. I love Portugal.
Thanks a lot! We do too. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Dave,
I'm an (old) expat living in the Philippines. Admittedly, I haven't watched many of your vids. I am drawn to watching central Portugal videos on properties for sale around small villages, as well as the expats renovating old houses of ruiness nature.
My observations are these small little villages that seem to barely hanging on due to a declining population of remaining senior citizens. These small village/towns sadly(to me) look like beautiful ghost towns. Obviously, there is a shortage of tax base to maintain them. Shop owners with few customers. Cost of living certainly isn't cheap either.
Will these villages survive? Will/do they receive government help? Would like to hear your thoughts on this.
Geoff in the Philippines
Hopefully Dave sees this comment. - Josh & Kalie
So he makes the assumption that older people don’t like southern Portugal because it’s lively with music and fireworks 🙄 He should live in Mexico where all of us “old” people live with this everyday.
LOL :-) - Josh & Kalie
What about high speed internet access outside the big cities... I am a musician as well.. seeking a place without disturbing neighbors with my practicing, and teaching by Internet. (zoom). If I chose a rural area, could I rely on high speed internet being available and reliable????
I heard the locals are becoming resentful of Outsiders with a ton of money from richer European countries especially from the cold northern countries have been moving to Portugal and driven the prices up.
This is especially true of real estate, there are quite a few YT channels of folk from Britain who have bought Portuguese properties and are redoing the houses and then putting them back on the market at very higher prices.
The locals do not have those incomes to afford to buy or rent those places.
Hey, I’m not young. You make it sound like we all want to live in American style suburbs and golf. I need to be in a cheap place that has transportation. Like a medium sized city. I am urban
I was in Nazare in 1964 and I did not like it. Someone told my dad to buy land there. The waves are very rough and the ocean was too cold. Many Portuguese leave / move to France, Switzerland, UK for jobs. My dads cousin moved to Portugal in 1954 and worked for the Herald Tribune. I liked Obidos.
1964......? 60 years ago?? Like in Salazars time? Wow.
He is under the misapprehension that California = the US. His observations about Portugal are interesting, but I think he has a very limited understanding of his own country.
The Portuguese people are very apologetic about their past especially their part in the Slave Trade.
When Angola recently discovered a ship wreck off their coast of a Portuguese galleon with a few million dollars of gold, Portugal asked them to keep it.
I find it difficult to believe the Portuguese people were so prolific in the Slave trade as most Europeans today describe them as very easy going, kind folk??
Although we must keep in mind only a small subset of their population were involved in the Slave trade. I don't know if African Slaves were brought to Portugal??
From West Africa, Slaves were shipped to Brazil, via Cuba etc, and even on the East African coast they moved Slaves to Goa, India. Most folk are aware of the descendants of Africans in Brazil but few are aware of the Africans that were taken to Goa, India. Of course, the Slaves taken from, Mozambique-to-Kenya, to Goa were very small in number compared to the Transatlantic Slave trade.
I only recently discovered this from a YT video of the descendants of these Africans that were taken to Goa that still exist today in India. A few of them integrated into the Goan community, (they actually a YTer from Goa who had has own channel). However, the majority staged a revolution in the 18th century and fled into the interior jungles of India and are presently found, in the neighboring State of Karnataka. They have lost all connections to Africa, apart from handful of African words, to a couple of African musical instruments. They speak the Indian languages of Goa and Karnataka in now live in neat little peaceful villages. The women even dress in saris. They are known as the 'Siddis' of India.
Some are also found in Gujarat with the tiny Portuguese enclaves that existed then.
I thought it was truly tragic and so fascinating at the same time. However they bear no resentment about their past. A few African American tourists and YTers have visited them and tried to engage with them about their past, but they seemed almost irritated by it all, it was as if too far in their past and India was their home. A couple of few youngsters expressed interest in visiting Africa, but said India was their home now. It is a huge contrast to the African Americans and how they view their past. I do think Portugal could do something for them..ie support building of schools or sponsoring a few youngsters to emigrate to Portugal. If Portugal can give free citizenship to the Goans of Goa for three generations since 1961, I do think some kind of gesture of Goodwill could be done to these folk. I believe their numbers may be less than a million and most old folk would not migrant to Portugal. If someone from Portugal reading this has the power to do this, make it happen.
One must remember to that the Arab Slave trade was must larger and lasted longer than the Transatlantic Slave trade, with one MAJOR exception: All the African Slaves taken to the Middle East were all castrated. That is why none of their descendants exist today in the Middle East. If they were not castrated their numbers today would exceed the numbers of descendants found in the Americas today! Saudi Arabia ended Slavery only in 1960.
Dan, African slaves were brought to Portugal to slave trade with Europe and internal use.
In Portugal, only rich people could afford to buy a slave. Having five slaves was only for very rich people but there were some who had up to 50 slaves. There were thousands of african slaves in Portugal from the XVI to XVIII centuries. In Lisbon they were as much as 10% of the population in it's highest.
Slave trade to Portugal was legally abolished in 1761. Then, in 1773 every newborn from a slave mother should be free but only by 1854 all slavery was abolished in Portugal.
But the problem continued in the colonies. Slave trade and slavery were abolished only in 1875.
People in the north are typically very friendly and welcoming. In general, Portuguese people are friendly and welcoming, however in the big cities and especially in the south people are fed up with foreigners because they are taking over the economy and spaces to the point where the demand for housing has increased greatly and so have the rents, mortgages, and cost of living. Portugal is not a powerful country nor is it wealthy like the USA or the UK, so it's starting to affect the native population who already struggled financially. So although we like and enjoy visitors, we are starting to get concerned and annoyed with the great migration of foreigners into our little country. In the north is not as bad - yet! But I am afraid that it will change soon because of all the promotional videos on social media.
Question? More local transit in Porto, Lisbon? Not that much in algarve, I don’t drive? Differences between Lisbon n Porto? Porto cheaper? 1 person!!
The areas of Lisbon and Porto are more expensive to live in, but you will find all the facilities of modern life in big cities. However, Portugal is a small country without such a large population. If you leave the top 10 cities, you will start to notice a lack of infrastructure even though you are not that far from a big city.
Still, it all depends on your lifestyle. Personally, I prefer intermediate cities, that is, not so expensive, with good infrastructure and not full of tourists.
Therefore, my option continues to be Braga: 200 thousand inhabitants, good university, some shopping malls, many events throughout the year, 40 minutes from Esposende beach, 30 minutes from the mountains (Parque Nacional do Gerês) and 50 minutes from Porto (and from the International Airport).
The metro only exists in the Lisbon and Porto regions, but public transport serves Braga satisfactorily and it is also possible to travel between cities by train.
Whatever the country, learn the local language and interact with the natives. The best part of living in another country is absorbing a new culture and developing a new lifestyle and creating new connections, that is, seeing the world in a different way.
We have a lot of videos addressing your questions. Enjoy watching. :-) - Josh & Kalie
Can someone give me insight about why Dave's channel is looked at as controversial?
Lol, truth, so many Americans thinking that Portugal was a small island in South America.. oh well lol.
Problem is that in the north and the center of Portugal, it rains every day in the winter. So depressing and nothing to do. That's why I prefer Lisbon.
Hey Sophie, it seems like for most of the past two winters barring a few storm systems that have been further north, whatever the weather is in Porto, it's similar to the weather in Lisbon. Definitely over the whole Lisbon is warmer year round compared to the north. Alternatively, the summers don't get too hot up here at least along the coast whereas if it's hot up here in the summer, it's blazing hot from Lisbon and further south. To each their own, right? - Josh & Kalie
"Your guy's videos..?" "Your videos..." works just fine.
I AM LOVING IT
Glat you're loving it. - Josh & Kalie
DOUBLE-DOUBLE BURGER, DOUBLE SCOOP ICE CREAM CONE AND EXPATS+DAVE... AHHH, MY 3 FAVS... I'M FILLED!!!
That's an awesome comment. Thanks for the comparison. Very funny. We love a good double scoop ice cream. - Josh & Kalie
Gotta love the In N Out reference for my West Coast fam!
Love how this interview gave a bit of big picture / backstory / Meta of Dave in Portugal.
And cheers to being in the countryside!
While the cities of europe are incredible and I love them, I think for our family as foreigners its been easier in village life to get a sense of the people, traditions, and culture than if we were in a bigger more cosmopolitan city.
Perfect! That was the idea and hope. - Josh & Kalie