Awesome! This is one of the best interviews that I heard. It is very coherent and yet very broad based. I am very keen on Ed's overview of the history of religion and how it evolved, because context is the key to understanding.The perspective of the culture war being at the heart of the transition from El to Yahweh is very interesting and very perceptive. I will be purchasing his book. Thanks to Tim for a great interview. Love your interviewing style.
Speaking of sexual ethics when they say "we're staying married for the children" really its for the religion. Its so that the children will feel obligated to stay in bad relationships because of religion too.
Your show is always outstanding and I appreciate the way you don't talk over your guests. I'm one of those people who was raised in fundamental illogic, believing that the bible was totally scientific and that every word was true (in spite of contradictions) and I had to be at church every time they opened the doors. Thanks to the availability of ancient myths from every culture and sacred secret teachings being put out for general absorption by anyone interested in such things, I did indeed Study My Way right out of it. I'm sad at how much time was lost sitting around listening to myths as literal truth. But I'm eternally grateful to you and those who share this information out so others will be freed of their programming before they hit their senior years because it's a dreadful shock as well as a blessing. The truth does set you free, no matter who said it.
Myth, allegory, nuance, serendipity, fate, chance, etc ... we as humans need these ... like rights of passage. .. we need imagination, fairy tales, romance ... if all we did was logic and science ... well, that could lead to rigidity, totalitarianism, power wars ... it would become ugly quick
I wonder if the Egyptian diaspora is a metaphor. At the time, Canaan was ruled by Egypt so Jacob etc wouldn't have to go to Thebes to be "in Egypt". Esp if the area they were living in was already politically Egypt; all they'd have to do is go to town. Next metaphor is the escape thru the Red Sea. This could be a metaphor for the Sea People invading the area, upsetting the powers that be, and creating a vacuum for Israel to flourish as a political state. The years in the desert could represent both hesitation to conquer thru bloodshed and the invention of a new god, a war god, required to come down from the hills (the wilderness) and conquer the towns and cities.
To the point at the end where the guest says he doesn’t want to see atheism become the standard because we need mythology- I think we need stories, narratives, etc. that give us frameworks from which to evaluate our relationships, ethics, goals and so on, but we don’t have to believe that the stories are historically or factually true. I suspect we could do just fine with known fictions. For example, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who and more all have huge communities of fans who come together to celebrate and discuss ideas, build supportive moral communities, and organize around shared values. And we know for a fact that these stories are made up by people. Atheism just means one does not accept the claim that there’s a god, but nothing religions offer outside of that belief is off limits. The guest admits early in the conversation that his deism is a great big deity of the gaps, atheism just says yep, we see the gap and we are going to let it remain a gap until we can fill it with a real answer. I love mythology and value it, as long as we see them as stories people made up to explain and guide us they can be wonderful. As long as they aren’t used to limit or control people, we can benefit from our ancestors’ stories.
I think you are both right. It would be nice to do away with a dependence on mythology when it comes to understanding reality. However I guess there are some impossible questions for which we really seem to want answers to. Hence we "invent" myths to provide those answers. In a scientific sense they are not good answers at all, and we would be better off saying "I don't know" or "I don't know but here is my speculation". However, I guess that some folk need to take those myths beyond speculation and bring them into reality. And in a sense, I think we all have that need in one way or another. Thus we invent myths about the group we belong to, for example the country we live in, the sports team we support, and so on. And we invent myths about ourselves. For example, I know what I think about myself. However, I suspect many people have very different opinions about me that clashes with what I think. So who is correct? My view of myself or their view? Without my view of myself, I would likely not be able to exist. Yet their views may well be correct in some way that I simply fail to see. So I think we need to cut a bit of slack when it comes to mythmaking. (And besides as some of your speakers have shown for example, Lundwall and MacDonald, this is all really fascinating stuff.) What we all need to do is, in the context of religion, fight against the mythmaking that takes the myths seriously in such a way that they damage families, individuals and societies. For example, religious fundamentalism. I thought this was going to be a boring interview. But it was another great one. And, damnit, yet again, I have downloaded another book onto my kindle. I need to stop this because at my age, I simply do not have enough time to read it all.
Hello. I am part of a denomination in which preachers and everyone who works in the church are 100% volunteers. Everyone has jobs and doesn’t get anything to preach. I would like to know the opinion of the former pastors about pastors receiving salaries from the church as if it were a professional activity.
Dear Ed, please look up Paul Ens, an atheist TH-camr ( see Paulogia) who is an excellent graphic novelist. Check out his channel and see if he would collaborate on your ideas.
About Moses’ anointing oil containing cannabis, an occult text called the Book of Abramelin bases their anointing oil recipe (literally called “Abramelin Oil” in modern occult circles) upon this very recipe in the Torah. Not surprising, the Abramelin Oil doesn’t contain cannabis 😂😅
Spiritualy speaking (gender aside), matriarchal wisdom can begin with a fundamental understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God). Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle. As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritualy matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8). Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experience associated with the transpersonal awakening process. In spiritualy matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary ego death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high cyclical awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld; her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle. To carry the Ankh was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle. Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society. A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. th-cam.com/video/J0m0zJSEFK0/w-d-xo.html In the name of the Father, the Son and the holy ghosted... ? ... inevitability.
Awesome! This is one of the best interviews that I heard. It is very coherent and yet very broad based. I am very keen on Ed's overview of the history of religion and how it evolved, because context is the key to understanding.The perspective of the culture war being at the heart of the transition from El to Yahweh is very interesting and very perceptive. I will be purchasing his book. Thanks to Tim for a great interview. Love your interviewing style.
I agree and that's why I subbed his channel...one of the few that has the ability to sensibly tie everything together...love it.
I AM 💍♾️💍 MA I ... GENE 🧬 SIS EVE
I see most religions as institutionalized myths.
Great interview. Great information.
Speaking of sexual ethics when they say "we're staying married for the children" really its for the religion. Its so that the children will feel obligated to stay in bad relationships because of religion too.
This was fascinating 👍
Fascinating and interesting.He seems like he's a real person-not doing it for the camera.Thanks again,Tim
Ed is spot on with his cannabis take. Period. This was another great interview. Kudos.
Thank you! Great conversation. Enjoyed it. I stand for causing the egalitarian nurturing communities discussed here. 🌊🌊🌊
Great video, a lot of info. Thanks!
Your show is always outstanding and I appreciate the way you don't talk over your guests. I'm one of those people who was raised in fundamental illogic, believing that the bible was totally scientific and that every word was true (in spite of contradictions) and I had to be at church every time they opened the doors. Thanks to the availability of ancient myths from every culture and sacred secret teachings being put out for general absorption by anyone interested in such things, I did indeed Study My Way right out of it. I'm sad at how much time was lost sitting around listening to myths as literal truth. But I'm eternally grateful to you and those who share this information out so others will be freed of their programming before they hit their senior years because it's a dreadful shock as well as a blessing. The truth does set you free, no matter who said it.
Myth, allegory, nuance, serendipity, fate, chance, etc ... we as humans need these ... like rights of passage. .. we need imagination, fairy tales, romance ... if all we did was logic and science ... well, that could lead to rigidity, totalitarianism, power wars ... it would become ugly quick
Logic and science are behind all these things listed above. Logic and science are also the truth.
This was fascinating! I would love part II.
Now, Ariana Grande's song, God is a Woman, is stuck in my head. This reefer guy is very interesting!
Ed is great! Heard him a few times!
Just finding your channel and glad I did. Nice to meet you. Great topic.
This was fantastic, and she was really well spoken, and I agree she needs her own channel
I wonder if the Egyptian diaspora is a metaphor. At the time, Canaan was ruled by Egypt so Jacob etc wouldn't have to go to Thebes to be "in Egypt". Esp if the area they were living in was already politically Egypt; all they'd have to do is go to town. Next metaphor is the escape thru the Red Sea. This could be a metaphor for the Sea People invading the area, upsetting the powers that be, and creating a vacuum for Israel to flourish as a political state. The years in the desert could represent both hesitation to conquer thru bloodshed and the invention of a new god, a war god, required to come down from the hills (the wilderness) and conquer the towns and cities.
To the point at the end where the guest says he doesn’t want to see atheism become the standard because we need mythology-
I think we need stories, narratives, etc. that give us frameworks from which to evaluate our relationships, ethics, goals and so on, but we don’t have to believe that the stories are historically or factually true. I suspect we could do just fine with known fictions.
For example, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who and more all have huge communities of fans who come together to celebrate and discuss ideas, build supportive moral communities, and organize around shared values. And we know for a fact that these stories are made up by people.
Atheism just means one does not accept the claim that there’s a god, but nothing religions offer outside of that belief is off limits.
The guest admits early in the conversation that his deism is a great big deity of the gaps, atheism just says yep, we see the gap and we are going to let it remain a gap until we can fill it with a real answer.
I love mythology and value it, as long as we see them as stories people made up to explain and guide us they can be wonderful. As long as they aren’t used to limit or control people, we can benefit from our ancestors’ stories.
You can be atheist and still appreciate the lessons of mythology and legend.
The bit stuff being lifted from Homer made me wonder if Shechem was taken from Troy.
I think you are both right.
It would be nice to do away with a dependence on mythology when it comes to understanding reality. However I guess there are some impossible questions for which we really seem to want answers to. Hence we "invent" myths to provide those answers. In a scientific sense they are not good answers at all, and we would be better off saying "I don't know" or "I don't know but here is my speculation". However, I guess that some folk need to take those myths beyond speculation and bring them into reality.
And in a sense, I think we all have that need in one way or another. Thus we invent myths about the group we belong to, for example the country we live in, the sports team we support, and so on. And we invent myths about ourselves. For example, I know what I think about myself. However, I suspect many people have very different opinions about me that clashes with what I think. So who is correct? My view of myself or their view? Without my view of myself, I would likely not be able to exist. Yet their views may well be correct in some way that I simply fail to see.
So I think we need to cut a bit of slack when it comes to mythmaking. (And besides as some of your speakers have shown for example, Lundwall and MacDonald, this is all really fascinating stuff.)
What we all need to do is, in the context of religion, fight against the mythmaking that takes the myths seriously in such a way that they damage families, individuals and societies. For example, religious fundamentalism.
I thought this was going to be a boring interview. But it was another great one. And, damnit, yet again, I have downloaded another book onto my kindle. I need to stop this because at my age, I simply do not have enough time to read it all.
Hello. I am part of a denomination in which preachers and everyone who works in the church are 100% volunteers. Everyone has jobs and doesn’t get anything to preach. I would like to know the opinion of the former pastors about pastors receiving salaries from the church as if it were a professional activity.
Dear Ed, please look up Paul Ens, an atheist TH-camr ( see Paulogia) who is an excellent graphic novelist. Check out his channel and see if he would collaborate on your ideas.
Brilliant
I'm ready for this🤣🤣🤣
I see you Tim, whether it's religion or science you have to be able to back it up.
I dont see why God can't just fix our sinful DNA and then judge us
That treacherous bastard Cain, I’ll tell ya 😂
About Moses’ anointing oil containing cannabis, an occult text called the Book of Abramelin bases their anointing oil recipe (literally called “Abramelin Oil” in modern occult circles) upon this very recipe in the Torah. Not surprising, the Abramelin Oil doesn’t contain cannabis 😂😅
Press play.
Too much certainty in the statements here, especially when describing social issues in history as if it was a utopia.
Ed’s credulity is questionable.
The Rasta's were right, lol.
Even in *conventional* Christianity, one can have God the Mother in the Holy Spirit -- the third person in the Holy Trinity.
I don't know about this guy.
Yeah his comments about “if science can’t definitively answer the question then I’m justified in believing is a deistic god”
Lost me at 23:00
I can’t trust a scholar who thinks god of the gaps is a good reason to be a deist.
Agreed!
Spiritualy speaking (gender aside), matriarchal wisdom can begin with a fundamental understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God).
Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle.
As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritualy matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8).
Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experience associated with the transpersonal awakening process.
In spiritualy matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary ego death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high cyclical awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld; her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle.
To carry the Ankh was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle.
Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society.
A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. th-cam.com/video/J0m0zJSEFK0/w-d-xo.html
In the name of the Father, the Son and the holy ghosted... ? ... inevitability.
Dating before, Christianity!!!!