My old complex used quickest and an inexperienced person like me could pick those kwikset locks in 4 to 7. I only know this because a couple of my neighbors got locked out a on occasion.
The number of try-out keys needed is the square root of the number of differs the lock has. In 1935 Briggs and Stratton supplied a 'sidebar' cylinder for GM automobiles etc. These had 6 tumblers with four depths giving 4096 theoretical differs. These were harder to pick than usual. Someone developed 64 tryout keys for locksmiths etc to get into GM automobiles with a 80% success rate. Possibly the failed to operate newish cylinders. The success rate was improved slightly by making the cuts nearer the tip of the key very slightly shallower which compensated for wear. Presumably tryout keys for SmartKey are attractive as these cylinders are claimed to be bump proof. Interestingly, although the average pin tumbler cylinder has 10 possible key depths, manufacturers and locksmiths use only alternate depths for masterkeying as the chance of a wrong key operating the cylinder is too great if all 10 depths were used. Seems some makers have given up in 10 depths and use 6 depths only because all 6 depths can be safely used for masterkeying and allows a larger system than 5 depths.
@@coladict Most humans have huge inhibitions to kill other humans. That's why most murders are caught: the police knows there is most likely reason and therefore some kind of relationship between murderer and victim, which they will look for.
They need not try all 250 keys at once. Patience is key (pun intended). imagine someone casing a place and over the course of several days, at different times, they bring a few sets of these and tries them. Eventually, they'll find the key that works and can come access that door anytime at their leisure.
"Now, Naked Beekeeper claims that their method of security is an improvement over normal methods, but it has what *I* believe to be an inexcusable flaw."
Or the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland. They literally have hundreds of public transport IC cards in their collection that people have lost, but they took less than 30 seconds to find the exact one that my wife lost (I verified it because it had the next number up from my card, which I still had). So if your house gets broken into in a few minutes with these keys, it may have been someone from the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland...
School janitor chiming in, BFE rural Montana, we have mastered primus cores on 90% of our doors. Also a short handful of KW1 and Sargent. Oh and the fantastic master padlocks. Plus an RFID keyfob for entry.
Haha, it occurs to me that in every LPL video I've seen someone comments, "LPL picks locks faster than I can open them with the key." Seems to me LPL is just out of practice with keys 😉
@@johnsimun6533 as a highschool student, I used to pose as school IT to gain access to the server room, so I would wear a bunch of bump keys on my waist. It actually helped so people didn't question me.
Thief 1: "Okay, we're here. Quick, pick the lock before someone sees us!" Thief 2: "Sure thing!" * pulls out a HUGE pile of keys from bag * Thief 1: ....
@@thetwitch6667 ye I know the feeling. Once I had to open a server door that was locked. Fortunately a paperclip was enough(hurt myself in the middle tho)
I think another great benefit of this method which was not mentioned is that, once you find the key, you now literally have the key to that lock, so if you've got a reason to repeatedly enter such place, or even just a second time at a more busy hour, this method is literally your only option vs. picking
If this was't 4x speed while trying the keys, I could have finished my waffles before the end of this video. This was almost a LockPickingLawyer movie compared to most.
Not too bad of a price if you consider how pick resistant those locks can potentially be. For a locksmith, that $400 initial expense can reap dividends over time for non-destructive lockout calls.
I kept waiting for him stop the time lapse and go, "This is stupid." *click,*click "And now it's open. You could buy $400 worth of keys or spend 3 seconds and pick it."
@@51-FS Just a note on that video: While it was certainly true at the time of filming for that attack to be possible, Kwikset has since made some design revisions that both LPL and BB have remarked about, increasing the difficulty of picking. LPL has done some videos in the past explaining that, due to an upgrade in the sidebar design profile, regular methods for tension are futile, thus resorting to using a shim pressing directly on the sidebar (Video 904, also worth noting it's a 5:27 min long video); BB then in a more recent video as part of his treasure chest series (Video 1533 Lock #8), explains that due to another upgrade in the profile, even that attack won't work and he had to resort to shear luck to open that particular Kwikset.
The more of these I watch, the more I realize that pretty much all locks are useless. They only keep the honest out, the real thieves will find a way in without too many issues.
It would have been interesting to see a visual comparison between the key that was used to set the lock and the key that ended up working, to see just how loose the tolerances really are on those kwiksets.
I don't know what brand our door lock is, but it takes a long time to get my key to work in it. Actually, watching your videos has given me a better understanding on how locks work inside so I have been able to open the lock faster by "feeling" the various pins move as I insert the key. If I insert most but not all the way, the door opens easier. It's difficult to explain but it's definitely thanks to you, sir. I hope you have a tremendous new year!
Either your lock or your key, or both, are worn. it sounds like you're using the ramp part of the key to align to the given position instead of the flat part. Probably should see to that before it stops working altogether.
I have try out sets for a number of old cars makes and years. I amassed large quantities of locks and ignition switches and figured they were sale-able if they were keyed. The shocking part was most try out sets were comprised of around 120 keys. You would find a particular era only utilized maybe 40-50 of those combinations. And there were a handful far more popular (more frequently used) than others.
Well since odds are there's overlap between the keys, then even if you lose one, then others cut close will still work due to the poor tolerances built into the lock itself.
@@eak125 That is the exact reason this tryout set works. This lock has far more than 256 possible keys, it's just that the tolerances are so loose that each position only needs to be approximately correct.
@@eak125 I don't think so actually. These keys are deliberately designed to mimic the majority of kwikset keys. As LPL stated, each key is designed to approximate several kwikset key cuts. The way this would likely be achieved is by grouping similar key cuts and then making a specialty key for that grouping. Losing a key means losing that grouping. If a different special key could open one of the same locks, it's because both keys shared a kwikset cut. The reason there are so few keys in the video is because it is inefficient to make keys that would overlap and open the same lock. They would be too similar and therefore only open similar cuts, and you could open a wider variety between them by changing them to be more distinct so that they don't open the same locks.
@@creaturedanaaaaa The lock has 1-6 bitting depths with 5 bittings. This eliminates 4 depths in each position which eliminates close to half of the possible combinations. No 0-7-8-9.
@@aserta It's probably not even based on that, but on having one halfway-cut to work on two factory cuts. Kwiksets are 1-2-3-4-5-6, so one could make a (1-2)-(3-4)-(5-6) system of only three cuts to replace the six. For a five-tumbler key, that's 6⁵ (ignoring that no two tumblers can be more than four different) or 7776, but if there are only three actual heights required due to half-depth cuts, then 3⁵ is 243, which looks an awful lot like the numbers cited for the total keys in the set. One further contributing factor to the exploitation of the Kwikset system is that their key pins do not have a particular orientation, so the shear-line cut uses the same beveled-edges on the pins as the key-side. This makes for a ramp to help push the shear line into position even when it's imperfect. A simple way to reduce the likelihood that a kwikset lock will be openable with this exploit is to assemble the lock using aftermarket keypins, pins that are unidrectional for being installed, with clear ends intended for interfacing to the keys and clear ends with harsh corners for the shear line. That makes it harder for a half-height cut to align properly.
@@hamjudo I cut Kwikset keys myself, for myself. There are five pins on traditional kwikset, six cuts per pin. No two adjacent pins can be further apart than four positions. There are also six-pin Kwikset variously marketed as Titan and Ultramax, and a seventh depth is introduced, technically making for more combinations.
@@TWX1138 Your first paragraph is exactly right, I don't believe there is any such thing as aftermarket pins for smartkey locks. They don't even use pins in the traditional sense.
When I was in high school, I bought a Mercury Monarch that turned out to be the same key code as our city's fleet of police cars. Don't ask me how I made this discovery, or what I did once I had that knowledge.
I don't find the 1284X truly useful very often but it sure is a hoot to show off when I get a chance. "Nice to have met you Office Jones. I appreciate you taking time for to chat with me. Before I go, would you like to see something interesting?"
Police car manufacturers offer the option of like keying all the cars in a fleet buy. I doubt that a key code used for a like key fleet buy would also be used in a civilian car.
@@Dave-in-MD Keyed-alike is a prevalent security issue. The 1284X is Ford's standard fleet key but the remaining cuts don't matter so a "civilian" vehicle could still be populated with a lock and key that would operate a fleet lock; also, many fleet cars are retired to taxi duty or auctioned so a LOT of those keys are in the wild. Check out Sgt. Payne and Dev's talk "This key is your key..." for some fun material.
n the 1970s and early 1980s, car keys only had a greatly reduced set of different keys for one type of vehicle. At the time, I was a trainee in the car mechanic trade and got an order to replace the clutch on a red VW Beetle that was supposed to be behind the workshop on the street. There was one standing there too, only the numbers on the license plate had rotated numbers. As soon as the door key and the ignition key fit, I drove the vehicle to the workshop, but was amazed that the clutch worked perfectly, just maybe something had to be readjusted. I did that and asked the workshop foreman how I should proceed and whether I should replace the intact clutch. He looked and said: You have the wrong car, this is a 1302, and the one with the broken clutch is a 1301 and it's still over there on the right! Damn it, the wrong car's parking space was now occupied, so it had to switch places with the real car. The owner will be very surprised that his car is 50 meters away. So I left the protective cardboard for the carpet and the seat cover in the vehicle and added a note: Dear customer, we have reset your clutch as a free service. Sincerely yours, your VW workshop
There's something about that guy I don't like. Seems fake and not genuine. Maybe because he totes the high minded science theme but has a bible verse at the end of his videos.
@@24framedavinci39 I understand what you mean, but I don't see Destin in that light. I see him as someone that finds things he enjoys or is interested in, and then learns all he can in a short period of time and records it so he can share his new knowledge with the world. The Bible verse, he's religious, and he's not throwing it in your face, he's got it at the very end of the video and it's just the book, chapter, verse. It's just the location, not the actual passage. I've never looked any up, I don't know if they are like the verse that inspired him to learn more about whatever he learned in the video or if it's just the verse of the day on his daily calendar. But it doesn't bother me. Now, I do like Destin, but his videos generally don't resonate with me. I don't think it's him or the content, more I think it's his pacing of content delivery doesn't really work for me. Veritasium is similar. The Vsauce channels I'm neutral towards the hosts but their method of content delivery just doesn't work for me most of the time.
It doesn't leave the forensic marks of picking, but I'm pretty sure it will leave a tell-tale signs on the pins of the shearline to heights that just don't happen with the correct key or properly cut key.
When I was in the SF Bay Area doing card key and cameras I had a ring of keys, 300 or so. Sometimes we had to get into something and didn't have a key so The Ring came out and, Lo, it worked sometimes. These were all commercial buildings. Can't say if it was 1/10 or 1/5 etc but it was interesting
I used to work maintenance at an apartment complex and all of our locks were keyed to this Kwikset system. I wish we had known about this "exploit" because it would've saved us SO much time when we lost the key. We had to drill out too many locks during my time there, I actually got fairly decent at bypassing the door itself instead of the lock just to speed things up with my work. I still recall one egregious example where we had long lost the key and I just used a crowbar on the door itself to pull it away from the smash plate so the latch would pop free. So much faster than the alternatives. We actually didn't have problems with locks being picked, instead we had issues with people doing what I learned how to do and just bypassing our cheap doors entirely. I was fairly impressed by the locks though because I had never seen one so easily rekeyable and I thought it was the coolest thing. This was before I learned anything about picking locks of course, and I still don't know terribly much as to how. But binging through these videos sure makes me wanna learn
This pile of keys reminded me The Keymaker from The Matrix Reloaded.... And then my imagination kicked in, imagining every scene in Matrix with The Keymaker in started with phrase "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today ..."
So what you're saying is, if I want to keep an experienced picker out of my house, I should leave a massive pile of nearly identical keys outside my door.
I made my own set of 225 tryout keys when the Smart Key lock first came out. It was 100 percent successful on the first generation of Smart Key cylinders. When the new generation of Smart Key cylinders came out my success rate went down to zero & I never use them anymore.
I have heard there is a very strong key that fits the Smart Key lock and if you turn it with vise grips or wrench it defeats this lock and sometimes does not even destroy it and the original key feels like it still works.
One thing I love about LPL is that he doesn't try to hit the 10 minute mark. He could have played that at normal speed just to do that but didn't. Thanks LPL.
Eric Hansen well... mathematically on paper there could be millions of possible combinations, but physically that can’t always be done. And of course they’re trying to sell locks 🤷🏼♂️
Kwikset keyways have 5 pins with 7 possible cut depths on each pin. If you do the simple math, that is 16,807 possible keys. However, you cannot use that entire space because of how the mechanics of locks work, so you must reduce it. (The locksmiths call it MACS). When you subtract out the MACs, you are left with about 10,000 possibilities. However, the tolerances of these locks aren't that tight, so even 10,000 is an overestimation because a "close enough" cut on a key will usually work. So I do not find it odd that a chain of 256 keys would open most KW1 locks.
If you can borrow a set, you can then reset the lock to any key. If it's a door that isn't often opened with the key (like the back yard - typically unlocked and locked from the inside), the homeowner may not even notice for quite some time.
I believe older cars with a purely key-dependant ignition also can be exploited in a similar fashion. Most make and models have a limited number combinations of keys made each year (don't recall if it's less than 100, but it's no more than 1000). Can't easily buy precut duplicate car keys though, unlike seen here for these keys
A few months ago I cut all 256 keys on my Framon #2 machine. It takes me about 20 minutes to go through all of them. Most of the time its between 5-10 minutes. Definitely a good tool for locksmiths.
So that's the pile of TryOut keys for ONE type of locks from ONE manufacturer. And LPL was lucky to find a working key just after half the pile was tested. Not practical in reality, where a lock has to be opened as quick as possible (for any intentions), if you ask me.
It have one useful purposed though: To safely unlock an accidentally locked house, without needing excessive picking or breaking down the lock. (Though not like after that you wouldn't need to immediately replace the lock anyway...)
Well, as was mentioned, this is a low-skill attack, or suited to covert entry. Many lockpicks can actually leave markings on the key pins, which is why you may want to use an attack like this. It's definitely niche either way, however. Especially when latch slipping and over/under door attacks are more common. Likely, this is something you'd use as a last resort for covert entry attacks, and even then something you'd have to premeditate.
Could you impression a door using a set of these? It seems like you could take a set of keys with strategically picked cuts, shake they keys as if you were impressioning, and compare them to find the actual pinning of the door.
*Wife:* "What's you do today?" *Husband:* "I watched LockPickingLawyer use dozens of keys in an effort to unlock a lock they didn't fit. It was magical."
Wow. Is there a same collection for Yale locks? They don’t seem too secure either and everyone has them in the UK. I guess Kwikset is a very popular one in the States.
Kwikset is by far the most common in the US, although other brands dominate certain cities. Detroit used to be almost exclusively Yale, and Sarasota was almost exclusively Weiser. Lockwood and Segal were very popular in New York City.
this could also be done in short busts, like you could take just 5 keys at a time, then each day try 5 keys so that you don't have to explain why you have 200 keys. this would also arouse less suspicion among bystanders
When I worked as a night patrol security guard, I had a briefcase containing every single key to every lock of all our clients. It must have weighed 5-6 kilos and consist of aprox 4-500 keys. THAT was one heck of a keychain....
For the unskilled person that's coming by over several days. My nest doorbell camera saw you, and I shared the video on my neighborhood FB page . And we are waiting for you. And I bought a kwikset rekey kit.
I assume all these bundles of keys are in some way categorized by similarity? If so, wouldn't it be faster to try the first key of every chain, checking for the amount of movement on the core and then try the rest of the keychain to find the one that actually opens the lock?
I remember a couple years ago when my company was repurposing a section of our building. In this section, we had to remove several IT boxes from the wall but there was one that had been there so long that no one had a key for it. My management sent out for the maintenance dept to get it open for removal. I had seen several of your videos and have always been very interested in tactile application of your craft, so I made a very crude tensioner and pick from 2 large paper clips and it actually WORKED. I got the IT box open and we relocated the network hub. I always remember how awesome it was that I had used a skill (the lock was VERY basic, lol) I had seen on TH-cam for a purpose that saved time and extra money for the company. Long story short, I really enjoyed the challenge and the feeling when the challenge was overcome. I would like to become a hobbyist, as you are. Is there a comprehensive pick set that you would recommend? I have looked several up online but I hate to say that they look like something I could replicate with strong paperclips. I would like to have something more stout to work with. I currently have an industrial Lock Out Tag Out hardened lock from a job many years ago that has no key. I would like to see if I have the talent to get it open again. If you have any recommendations for a decent set, I would appreciate it! Thanks, Lawyer.
@@CiaranMaxwell I ended up getting a set (plus a few additions) from a Banggood set he reviewed a while back. An actual decent set for very little money. As for the lock, it is very nondescript, other than having an oval with the letters "WB" stamped within that oval. I have two of them and have opened one of them once and the other twice. The pins seem quite "sticky" and it makes it difficult to open without the right order. Although, LPL would have both of these locks open in less that a minute, I assume.
@@palehorse1511 sticky with age is very possible. It might need lube. However, overset pins tend to feel mushy, and locks always have to be picked in the right order. (It's called the binding order, if you're curious.) You might be interested in the progressive locks from Sparrows, or even their Revolver, if you want to learn how pins feel in different states.
@@CiaranMaxwell Agreed, the binding order is paramount. I seem to be a bit heavy-handed with my turning tool. While the lock may need lubrication, I tend to find that having it in it's current state and still being able to solve it reaps the most satisfaction for me. I seldom get it open but when I do, it's awesome. Granted, though, I am an extreme novice. Oddly enough, I was able to pick open my front door's deadbolt in less than two minutes. That says a lot about the security of my deadbolt, if someone like me can pick it open that fast. Complete garbage.
@@CiaranMaxwell I was recently watching MMA fights with my best friend and just fiddling with picking the lock while watching the fights. Got it open rather quickly (within 5 or 6 minutes). I think I am focusing too much when trying to actively pick and not letting the "feel" of the lock tell me what it needs.
Love this video as all of yours. Did not catch it but is this because there are 8 strictly high/low positions? Seems like most keys are effectively trinary or so? Minor grammar/pacing note: wish you had emphasized the comma more "weakness, such that" as this felt like "weakness such... that".
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"depending on your skill level, it could be faster than picking"
I can't help but feel attacked.
Matt P. Your comment was funny. I felt like he was talking about me.
My old complex used quickest and an inexperienced person like me could pick those kwikset locks in 4 to 7. I only know this because a couple of my neighbors got locked out a on occasion.
The number of try-out keys needed is the square root of the number of differs the lock has. In 1935 Briggs and Stratton supplied a 'sidebar' cylinder for GM automobiles etc. These had 6 tumblers with four depths giving 4096 theoretical differs. These were harder to pick than usual. Someone developed 64 tryout keys for locksmiths etc to get into GM automobiles with a 80% success rate. Possibly the failed to operate newish cylinders. The success rate was improved slightly by making the cuts nearer the tip of the key very slightly shallower which compensated for wear.
Presumably tryout keys for SmartKey are attractive as these cylinders are claimed to be bump proof.
Interestingly, although the average pin tumbler cylinder has 10 possible key depths, manufacturers and locksmiths use only alternate depths for masterkeying as the chance of a wrong key operating the cylinder is too great if all 10 depths were used. Seems some makers have given up in 10 depths and use 6 depths only because all 6 depths can be safely used for masterkeying and allows a larger system than 5 depths.
@@netking66 the ignition key to my 85 chevy truck unlocked the door to my 89 camaro.
@@jfangx nope. Maybe a regular Kwikset, but the smartkey style are very difficult to pick.
LPL: 4X Speed
Me: Two can play at this game sir.
Bear Eggers
I set it to 2x speed
Agh that frame rate thou
@@thefountainpendesk I skipped to the moment where '4x speed' disappeared, get on ma level
😂
@@_catzee King Crimson
"There was no sign of forced entry. The murderer must be someone familiar" is the scary part.
Most murder victums are killed by someone they know, anyway.
@@coladict Nothing makes you want to murder someone like living with them.
@@coladict Most humans have huge inhibitions to kill other humans. That's why most murders are caught: the police knows there is most likely reason and therefore some kind of relationship between murderer and victim, which they will look for.
bnmn smp “most murders are caught”??? Tell that to the Chicago police department.
I like the way you think.
Actually, I'm a bit worried about the way you think.
:)
This was your chance to get a video over ten minutes.
Quality over quantity. Its a good video.
Yeah props to him for not doing one of those lazy ass 10:01 videos to get some coins
I like to think he's well off that this channel is just a hobby for him
Just watch it in 0.25x speed
Still not 10 minutes, it'd be about 8 minute
i can just imagine someone squatting down in front of my front door with a keychain that has 250 keys
Then they accidentally drop the whole ring and have to start over
Must be somewhat heavy too
They need not try all 250 keys at once. Patience is key (pun intended). imagine someone casing a place and over the course of several days, at different times, they bring a few sets of these and tries them. Eventually, they'll find the key that works and can come access that door anytime at their leisure.
@@AoloachI'd keep them in the sets of 10 for just such an eventuality.
did u just assume Slavic nationality? XD
Mrs. LPL: Do not buy any more locks for rest of the year!!
LPL: Buys ALL of the keys….
This year is anyways almost over
For the rest of the year? He only has to wait five more days, then he can buy more locks. LOL
@@my3dviews You've never done "for the rest of the year" jokes? I do many on the same 31st.
@@0Clewi0 Sure and we can now do rest of the decade jokes too.
@@my3dviews Groups of ten end with a zero. 😉
I once tried to unlock my door with the correct key and failed.
Only once? I've done it several times...
Same with my sisters
You just trying to take the heat off you after mastering the art of lockpicking.
@@ParodieHecker-mobile bruh XD no both of them tried to open the door, and both failed
I once tried to unlock the door with the wrong key and it worked. 🤦♂️
I weld my door to the frame everytime i go out. Good luck finding a key for that.
_opens window_
Much easier to attack your acetylene supply. Thanks!
"Now, Naked Beekeeper claims that their method of security is an improvement over normal methods, but it has what *I* believe to be an inexcusable flaw."
lol
If you weld a door shut, does it not become a wall?
“I’m gonna go to bed early tonight”
Me at 3am watching a lawyer fumble with 256 keys: ooh he got it
6:33 am here Dx
Get out of my head 🤣
Impressive LPL, but the school janitor would've found the key in 5 seconds
The entire school system in the town I lived in used the same key for every door in every building.
Or the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland. They literally have hundreds of public transport IC cards in their collection that people have lost, but they took less than 30 seconds to find the exact one that my wife lost (I verified it because it had the next number up from my card, which I still had).
So if your house gets broken into in a few minutes with these keys, it may have been someone from the Lost & Found office at Tokyo Disneyland...
@@shawnr771 i think this is fairly normal, as its the same for my school, and another government school i spent time at recently
School janitor chiming in, BFE rural Montana, we have mastered primus cores on 90% of our doors. Also a short handful of KW1 and Sargent. Oh and the fantastic master padlocks. Plus an RFID keyfob for entry.
@@jeffreyreindeer5351 Hey I'm from Montana too!
Who would have thought:
One of the longer LPL videos and he used a key 🤣
ha, yea! I wish I could upvote your comment more than once! You are right, not a video I expected to see.
Haha, it occurs to me that in every LPL video I've seen someone comments, "LPL picks locks faster than I can open them with the key." Seems to me LPL is just out of practice with keys 😉
@@freetouchphoto 🤣👍🏻
@@Dwayne_Bearup True indeed
Oops, typo I meant ". . . a [lot'a] keys"
Imagine the jingle of all those keys if you wore them all on your waist.
"Ho ho ho. Merry Keys-mas"
When you see a man with that many keys, he’s very important.
@@johnsimun6533 as a highschool student, I used to pose as school IT to gain access to the server room, so I would wear a bunch of bump keys on my waist. It actually helped so people didn't question me.
Images of The Key Maker from the Matrix movies comes to mind...
You just wiggle a little to intimidate anyone who questions you
Thief 1: "Okay, we're here. Quick, pick the lock before someone sees us!"
Thief 2: "Sure thing!" * pulls out a HUGE pile of keys from bag *
Thief 1: ....
This is a regression video. He went back to keys after years of becoming one of the greatest lock pickers ever!
He used a key for the shotgun lock in [669].
He needed an actual challenge to open a lock.
"Depending on your skill, this might be easier" Nice, LPL dabbing on the noobs.
I consider myself a noob, but I have picked an unknown lock with a bit of mig welding wire and a flat head screwdriver XD
@@thetwitch6667 ye I know the feeling. Once I had to open a server door that was locked. Fortunately a paperclip was enough(hurt myself in the middle tho)
TBF, the newer kwikset smartlocks are actually really challenging to pick, due to how they tension.
everybody starts somewhere
C R I’d use it before drilling a lock
I never knew that a 4 hour super cut of LPL trying keys in a lock was something I was missing in my life. I could watch that all day.
I think another great benefit of this method which was not mentioned is that, once you find the key, you now literally have the key to that lock, so if you've got a reason to repeatedly enter such place, or even just a second time at a more busy hour, this method is literally your only option vs. picking
If this was't 4x speed while trying the keys, I could have finished my waffles before the end of this video.
This was almost a LockPickingLawyer movie compared to most.
So, uh... Where can I buy all these?
Its for research purposes.
Edit: oof $400... Nevermind
LPL Put a link in the desc to be able to purchased them.
Not too bad of a price if you consider how pick resistant those locks can potentially be. For a locksmith, that $400 initial expense can reap dividends over time for non-destructive lockout calls.
@@eak125 yeah, true. Its also not bad for 256 keys. That's only ~$2 per key. I'm just broke.
@@eak125 LPL said the lock has large tolerances so why would a good picker buy keys?
@@jetah50 You said it right: these are for the not so good pickers.
I kept waiting for him stop the time lapse and go, "This is stupid." *click,*click "And now it's open. You could buy $400 worth of keys or spend 3 seconds and pick it."
You don't even need to buy those tho. You can just put a hidden camera pointed at the lock, get a reasonable profile of the key and set the right key.
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@@51-FS Just a note on that video: While it was certainly true at the time of filming for that attack to be possible, Kwikset has since made some design revisions that both LPL and BB have remarked about, increasing the difficulty of picking. LPL has done some videos in the past explaining that, due to an upgrade in the sidebar design profile, regular methods for tension are futile, thus resorting to using a shim pressing directly on the sidebar (Video 904, also worth noting it's a 5:27 min long video); BB then in a more recent video as part of his treasure chest series (Video 1533 Lock #8), explains that due to another upgrade in the profile, even that attack won't work and he had to resort to shear luck to open that particular Kwikset.
The more of these I watch, the more I realize that pretty much all locks are useless. They only keep the honest out, the real thieves will find a way in without too many issues.
@Zachary Pond lol I thought he said under 3 minutes
It would have been interesting to see a visual comparison between the key that was used to set the lock and the key that ended up working, to see just how loose the tolerances really are on those kwiksets.
I don't know what brand our door lock is, but it takes a long time to get my key to work in it.
Actually, watching your videos has given me a better understanding on how locks work inside so I have been able to open the lock faster by "feeling" the various pins move as I insert the key. If I insert most but not all the way, the door opens easier.
It's difficult to explain but it's definitely thanks to you, sir. I hope you have a tremendous new year!
Either your lock or your key, or both, are worn. it sounds like you're using the ramp part of the key to align to the given position instead of the flat part. Probably should see to that before it stops working altogether.
I have try out sets for a number of old cars makes and years. I amassed large quantities of locks and ignition switches and figured they were sale-able if they were keyed. The shocking part was most try out sets were comprised of around 120 keys. You would find a particular era only utilized maybe 40-50 of those combinations. And there were a handful far more popular (more frequently used) than others.
LockPickingLawyer: *picks the lock*
TheMagnificentZoltar: *Brings all possible keys*
Imagine losing one of those key which is the only one you actually need
Well since odds are there's overlap between the keys, then even if you lose one, then others cut close will still work due to the poor tolerances built into the lock itself.
@@eak125 That is the exact reason this tryout set works. This lock has far more than 256 possible keys, it's just that the tolerances are so loose that each position only needs to be approximately correct.
@@eak125 I don't think so actually. These keys are deliberately designed to mimic the majority of kwikset keys. As LPL stated, each key is designed to approximate several kwikset key cuts. The way this would likely be achieved is by grouping similar key cuts and then making a specialty key for that grouping. Losing a key means losing that grouping. If a different special key could open one of the same locks, it's because both keys shared a kwikset cut. The reason there are so few keys in the video is because it is inefficient to make keys that would overlap and open the same lock. They would be too similar and therefore only open similar cuts, and you could open a wider variety between them by changing them to be more distinct so that they don't open the same locks.
@@creaturedanaaaaa The lock has 1-6 bitting depths with 5 bittings. This eliminates 4 depths in each position which eliminates close to half of the possible combinations. No 0-7-8-9.
@@thecryptopotamus3474 Honestly I just remember reading something somewhere and don't remember exactly what was said so thanks for the clarification
Did you check to see if there were multiple keys in that pile that would open that particular lock?
Technically (based on what Kwikset says) there shouldn't.
@@aserta It's probably not even based on that, but on having one halfway-cut to work on two factory cuts. Kwiksets are 1-2-3-4-5-6, so one could make a (1-2)-(3-4)-(5-6) system of only three cuts to replace the six. For a five-tumbler key, that's 6⁵ (ignoring that no two tumblers can be more than four different) or 7776, but if there are only three actual heights required due to half-depth cuts, then 3⁵ is 243, which looks an awful lot like the numbers cited for the total keys in the set.
One further contributing factor to the exploitation of the Kwikset system is that their key pins do not have a particular orientation, so the shear-line cut uses the same beveled-edges on the pins as the key-side. This makes for a ramp to help push the shear line into position even when it's imperfect.
A simple way to reduce the likelihood that a kwikset lock will be openable with this exploit is to assemble the lock using aftermarket keypins, pins that are unidrectional for being installed, with clear ends intended for interfacing to the keys and clear ends with harsh corners for the shear line. That makes it harder for a half-height cut to align properly.
@@TWX1138 There are 4 cuts with 4 depths each. 4⁴ is 256.
@@hamjudo I cut Kwikset keys myself, for myself. There are five pins on traditional kwikset, six cuts per pin. No two adjacent pins can be further apart than four positions. There are also six-pin Kwikset variously marketed as Titan and Ultramax, and a seventh depth is introduced, technically making for more combinations.
@@TWX1138 Your first paragraph is exactly right, I don't believe there is any such thing as aftermarket pins for smartkey locks. They don't even use pins in the traditional sense.
We need a livestream of this and we can all place bets on how long it'll take.
When I was in high school, I bought a Mercury Monarch that turned out to be the same key code as our city's fleet of police cars. Don't ask me how I made this discovery, or what I did once I had that knowledge.
I don't find the 1284X truly useful very often but it sure is a hoot to show off when I get a chance.
"Nice to have met you Office Jones. I appreciate you taking time for to chat with me. Before I go, would you like to see something interesting?"
Police car manufacturers offer the option of like keying all the cars in a fleet buy. I doubt that a key code used for a like key fleet buy would also be used in a civilian car.
@@Dave-in-MD Keyed-alike is a prevalent security issue. The 1284X is Ford's standard fleet key but the remaining cuts don't matter so a "civilian" vehicle could still be populated with a lock and key that would operate a fleet lock; also, many fleet cars are retired to taxi duty or auctioned so a LOT of those keys are in the wild.
Check out Sgt. Payne and Dev's talk "This key is your key..." for some fun material.
@@Dave-in-MD this was the old FA0-FA1863 code series. Times were different back then.
@@thecompetentman1 Ah, H51. What was the fleet bitting back then?
"Honey, there's a suspicious person outside! I think it's a burglar!"
"No... it's obviously just a janitor. No big deal."
n the 1970s and early 1980s, car keys only had a greatly reduced set of different keys for one type of vehicle. At the time, I was a trainee in the car mechanic trade and got an order to replace the clutch on a red VW Beetle that was supposed to be behind the workshop on the street. There was one standing there too, only the numbers on the license plate had rotated numbers.
As soon as the door key and the ignition key fit, I drove the vehicle to the workshop, but was amazed that the clutch worked perfectly, just maybe something had to be readjusted. I did that and asked the workshop foreman how I should proceed and whether I should replace the intact clutch. He looked and said: You have the wrong car, this is a 1302, and the one with the broken clutch is a 1301 and it's still over there on the right!
Damn it, the wrong car's parking space was now occupied, so it had to switch places with the real car. The owner will be very surprised that his car is 50 meters away. So I left the protective cardboard for the carpet and the seat cover in the vehicle and added a note: Dear customer, we have reset your clutch as a free service. Sincerely yours, your VW workshop
Hey lockpickinglawyer, what do you think of smartereveryday’s latest video? The one where he uses lasers to exploit the smart home products.
Smart homes only require smart high tech burglars.th-cam.com/video/ozIKwGt38LQ/w-d-xo.html
He made a video at someone else's behest taking a pis* on SimplySafe and other similar systems, so there's that.
no u exploit is an interesting word the beat he got was turning a light blue
There's something about that guy I don't like. Seems fake and not genuine.
Maybe because he totes the high minded science theme but has a bible verse at the end of his videos.
@@24framedavinci39 I understand what you mean, but I don't see Destin in that light. I see him as someone that finds things he enjoys or is interested in, and then learns all he can in a short period of time and records it so he can share his new knowledge with the world.
The Bible verse, he's religious, and he's not throwing it in your face, he's got it at the very end of the video and it's just the book, chapter, verse. It's just the location, not the actual passage. I've never looked any up, I don't know if they are like the verse that inspired him to learn more about whatever he learned in the video or if it's just the verse of the day on his daily calendar. But it doesn't bother me.
Now, I do like Destin, but his videos generally don't resonate with me. I don't think it's him or the content, more I think it's his pacing of content delivery doesn't really work for me. Veritasium is similar. The Vsauce channels I'm neutral towards the hosts but their method of content delivery just doesn't work for me most of the time.
It doesn't leave the forensic marks of picking, but I'm pretty sure it will leave a tell-tale signs on the pins of the shearline to heights that just don't happen with the correct key or properly cut key.
Ok, now for the prank. Take the one out of the set and give to a friend to try the 249 keys as a time challenge.
255*
I saw the video till the end to reward your effort in finding a way to open a lock that takes you more than a few seconds (as you frequently do)!!!!
When I was in the SF Bay Area doing card key and cameras I had a ring of keys, 300 or so. Sometimes we had to get into something and didn't have a key so The Ring came out and, Lo, it worked sometimes. These were all commercial buildings. Can't say if it was 1/10 or 1/5 etc but it was interesting
That timelapse was so satisfying to watch, I don't know why.
1:30
"Lock-picking skill level 96"
"Lock-picking skill level 97"
"Lock-picking skill level 98"
"Lock-picking skill level 99"
I used to work maintenance at an apartment complex and all of our locks were keyed to this Kwikset system. I wish we had known about this "exploit" because it would've saved us SO much time when we lost the key. We had to drill out too many locks during my time there, I actually got fairly decent at bypassing the door itself instead of the lock just to speed things up with my work. I still recall one egregious example where we had long lost the key and I just used a crowbar on the door itself to pull it away from the smash plate so the latch would pop free. So much faster than the alternatives.
We actually didn't have problems with locks being picked, instead we had issues with people doing what I learned how to do and just bypassing our cheap doors entirely.
I was fairly impressed by the locks though because I had never seen one so easily rekeyable and I thought it was the coolest thing. This was before I learned anything about picking locks of course, and I still don't know terribly much as to how. But binging through these videos sure makes me wanna learn
Looks like me trying to get in the house when I'm drunk.
I love how it takes LPL so much longer to open a lock with the key than it does to open a lock with magic
Crazy we all sat here and watched him put keys in locks for three minutes.
I set the video to .25 speed when he set it to 4x so that I would feel how long it was :)
I just skipped to after the "4x speed" label disappeared.
I just want to hang all those keys from my belt and walk around like some kind of jailer of the damned
This pile of keys reminded me The Keymaker from The Matrix Reloaded.... And then my imagination kicked in, imagining every scene in Matrix with The Keymaker in started with phrase "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today ..."
Got us watching fast forward of him using keys now!! WOW, and I am still watching!
I keep burglars out the traditional way!
By having a door that looks like there's nothing worth stealing behind it.
I go one step better, I have nothing worth stealing.
bdf2718 amateurs
I removed my door years ago!
I like to imagine that the footage isn't sped up, you just do this stuff so often that you've gained superhuman lockpicking speed
This looks like my keychain in every RPG game I've ever played
Role Playing Game Game?
I just watched a man attempt to use dozens of different keys on the same lock. And I enjoyed it.
So what you're saying is, if I want to keep an experienced picker out of my house, I should leave a massive pile of nearly identical keys outside my door.
I made my own set of 225 tryout keys when the Smart Key lock first came out. It was 100 percent successful on the first generation of Smart Key cylinders. When the new generation of Smart Key cylinders came out my success rate went down to zero & I never use them anymore.
And It's guaranteed that when you finally find the right key, you'll accidentally drop it down the drain.
I have heard there is a very strong key that fits the Smart Key lock and if you turn it with vise grips or wrench it defeats this lock and sometimes does not even destroy it and the original key feels like it still works.
Lockmasters has a dumb key that does just that. It almost always destroys the lock
Does LPL keeps all these keys ‘locked’ up in his Honeywell key box 🤷♂️
🤭
Ha. You mean the Honeywell paper weight 😂
One thing I love about LPL is that he doesn't try to hit the 10 minute mark. He could have played that at normal speed just to do that but didn't. Thanks LPL.
Merry Xmas, this is the lock picking lawyer and today ill cosplay as the keymaster from the matrix.
i wonder how many keys from that pile fit. if tolerances are low, it's possible that more than one will work.
I have a pile of keys almost that big and they don't open anything at all.
Sure they do, you're just trying them on the wrong locks.
@@fearlesscrusader You've solved it!! :-D
So you have the keys for the whole neighborhood. Nice reminder to return any mowers people have asked to borrow.
This is the longest I've seen LPL trying to open a lock...of course I haven't watched all of his videos yet (I'm 80% done) but still...hahahaha
I was quietly hoping the lock would open with the first key, and the video would just be 3 minutes of hysterical laughing from LPL.
This illustrates an important gap between the manufacturers' claimed 'millions of combinations' and the actual physically possible combinations.
Eric Hansen well... mathematically on paper there could be millions of possible combinations, but physically that can’t always be done. And of course they’re trying to sell locks 🤷🏼♂️
Kwikset doesn't claim millions of combinations.
Kwikset keyways have 5 pins with 7 possible cut depths on each pin. If you do the simple math, that is 16,807 possible keys. However, you cannot use that entire space because of how the mechanics of locks work, so you must reduce it. (The locksmiths call it MACS). When you subtract out the MACs, you are left with about 10,000 possibilities. However, the tolerances of these locks aren't that tight, so even 10,000 is an overestimation because a "close enough" cut on a key will usually work. So I do not find it odd that a chain of 256 keys would open most KW1 locks.
If you can borrow a set, you can then reset the lock to any key.
If it's a door that isn't often opened with the key (like the back yard - typically unlocked and locked from the inside), the homeowner may not even notice for quite some time.
Can you show us the "telltale tool marks of picking?"
i'd guess maybe some scratching or something like that, but i'd certainly watch that.
The marks are
1) damage to key way from tensioning tool
2) scratches on the pins from the pick
@@HelenaOfDetroit cool, thanks. I'd still like to see a video highlighting it. :)
I believe older cars with a purely key-dependant ignition also can be exploited in a similar fashion. Most make and models have a limited number combinations of keys made each year (don't recall if it's less than 100, but it's no more than 1000). Can't easily buy precut duplicate car keys though, unlike seen here for these keys
He needs to go through an escape room and bring his lock pick tools and make a record time 🤣
A few months ago I cut all 256 keys on my Framon #2 machine. It takes me about 20 minutes to go through all of them. Most of the time its between 5-10 minutes. Definitely a good tool for locksmiths.
I wanted to cut my own too. How do I cut these? Depths I mean?
i was able to cut my own. I even made a custom HPC 1200 blitz code card
'We're gonna need a bigger key ring"
No matter what they improve, someone somewhere will always figure out a way to get in, even if it takes a while.
He had to put 4x speed so that we wouldn’t get scared. But in reality, that’s his real speed
When you’re friends with The Keymaker
It would be nice to see how the actual key compares to the one that opened it. It would give a nice visual for how loose the tolerances are
So that's the pile of TryOut keys for ONE type of locks from ONE manufacturer. And LPL was lucky to find a working key just after half the pile was tested.
Not practical in reality, where a lock has to be opened as quick as possible (for any intentions), if you ask me.
It have one useful purposed though: To safely unlock an accidentally locked house, without needing excessive picking or breaking down the lock. (Though not like after that you wouldn't need to immediately replace the lock anyway...)
Well, as was mentioned, this is a low-skill attack, or suited to covert entry. Many lockpicks can actually leave markings on the key pins, which is why you may want to use an attack like this. It's definitely niche either way, however. Especially when latch slipping and over/under door attacks are more common. Likely, this is something you'd use as a last resort for covert entry attacks, and even then something you'd have to premeditate.
I assume the intended purpose is for locksmiths where least to non-destructive methods are preferred and time isn’t a major factor
D S
The longer it takes the more the locksmith charges!
RevMarket not really. Most guys in my area just have a set price for what job they’re doing.
Could you impression a door using a set of these? It seems like you could take a set of keys with strategically picked cuts, shake they keys as if you were impressioning, and compare them to find the actual pinning of the door.
*Wife:* "What's you do today?" *Husband:* "I watched LockPickingLawyer use dozens of keys in an effort to unlock a lock they didn't fit. It was magical."
*What's you do today*
Wow. Is there a same collection for Yale locks? They don’t seem too secure either and everyone has them in the UK. I guess Kwikset is a very popular one in the States.
Kwikset is by far the most common in the US, although other brands dominate certain cities. Detroit used to be almost exclusively Yale, and Sarasota was almost exclusively Weiser. Lockwood and Segal were very popular in New York City.
I'd hope one of my neighbours would think it suspicious when someone walks up with a bag of keys.
this could also be done in short busts, like you could take just 5 keys at a time, then each day try 5 keys so that you don't have to explain why you have 200 keys. this would also arouse less suspicion among bystanders
The way that LPL's hands move and vibrate in this video Mrs. LPL must be a very happy woman!
This reminds me of the Keymaker in The Matrix Reloaded...which, incidentally, I watched just two days ago... Spooky. 😱
The "Now I'm using keys to pick locks" Lawyer 😂😂😂!
If we were in court You would be a 'Key' witness =))
I'm surprised no one complained that you didn't shuffle the pile of keys.. still nice to know this exists.
imagine having all of these on your keychain
When I worked as a night patrol security guard, I had a briefcase containing every single key to every lock of all our clients. It must have weighed 5-6 kilos and consist of aprox 4-500 keys. THAT was one heck of a keychain....
@@whisperzzar3321 A key case
"The keychain that Bosnianbill and I made"
That feels like something from Skyrim, u have like a shit ton of keys on ya and u always find the key needed
The one key to rule them all...
256 keys to rule the one...
For the unskilled person that's coming by over several days. My nest doorbell camera saw you, and I shared the video on my neighborhood FB page . And we are waiting for you. And I bought a kwikset rekey kit.
Yep already found a key in the first second that has the same bidding just cut at slightly different depths than my own
I assume all these bundles of keys are in some way categorized by similarity? If so, wouldn't it be faster to try the first key of every chain, checking for the amount of movement on the core and then try the rest of the keychain to find the one that actually opens the lock?
I move my house to another dimension. Pick that!
*ThePortalThatBosnianBillAndIMade* is typing...
Lol hahahah
I wonder if you use plastic picks you can avoid the tool marks as well. I bet you could even 3d print some.
If you used plastic picks they would probably break off in the lock, which would be a dead give-away that you had attempted to pick it.
On average you may need to try less than half. I’d get a mathematician to check this but isn’t the ratio approximately 1/e or 36%
LPL needs to start measuring lock picks by units of M:
M = time to pick a Master Lock
The *median* number of tries to achieve that ratio does cancel back down to 50%.
I remember a couple years ago when my company was repurposing a section of our building. In this section, we had to remove several IT boxes from the wall but there was one that had been there so long that no one had a key for it. My management sent out for the maintenance dept to get it open for removal. I had seen several of your videos and have always been very interested in tactile application of your craft, so I made a very crude tensioner and pick from 2 large paper clips and it actually WORKED. I got the IT box open and we relocated the network hub. I always remember how awesome it was that I had used a skill (the lock was VERY basic, lol) I had seen on TH-cam for a purpose that saved time and extra money for the company. Long story short, I really enjoyed the challenge and the feeling when the challenge was overcome. I would like to become a hobbyist, as you are. Is there a comprehensive pick set that you would recommend? I have looked several up online but I hate to say that they look like something I could replicate with strong paperclips. I would like to have something more stout to work with. I currently have an industrial Lock Out Tag Out hardened lock from a job many years ago that has no key. I would like to see if I have the talent to get it open again. If you have any recommendations for a decent set, I would appreciate it! Thanks, Lawyer.
1) Are you still looking? 2) Do you know the manufacturer and model of the LOTO lock?
@@CiaranMaxwell I ended up getting a set (plus a few additions) from a Banggood set he reviewed a while back. An actual decent set for very little money.
As for the lock, it is very nondescript, other than having an oval with the letters "WB" stamped within that oval. I have two of them and have opened one of them once and the other twice. The pins seem quite "sticky" and it makes it difficult to open without the right order. Although, LPL would have both of these locks open in less that a minute, I assume.
@@palehorse1511 sticky with age is very possible. It might need lube.
However, overset pins tend to feel mushy, and locks always have to be picked in the right order. (It's called the binding order, if you're curious.)
You might be interested in the progressive locks from Sparrows, or even their Revolver, if you want to learn how pins feel in different states.
@@CiaranMaxwell Agreed, the binding order is paramount. I seem to be a bit heavy-handed with my turning tool. While the lock may need lubrication, I tend to find that having it in it's current state and still being able to solve it reaps the most satisfaction for me. I seldom get it open but when I do, it's awesome. Granted, though, I am an extreme novice. Oddly enough, I was able to pick open my front door's deadbolt in less than two minutes. That says a lot about the security of my deadbolt, if someone like me can pick it open that fast. Complete garbage.
@@CiaranMaxwell I was recently watching MMA fights with my best friend and just fiddling with picking the lock while watching the fights. Got it open rather quickly (within 5 or 6 minutes). I think I am focusing too much when trying to actively pick and not letting the "feel" of the lock tell me what it needs.
LPL: A Cinderella Story
Love this video as all of yours.
Did not catch it but is this because there are 8 strictly high/low positions? Seems like most keys are effectively trinary or so?
Minor grammar/pacing note: wish you had emphasized the comma more "weakness, such that" as this felt like "weakness such... that".
Not at all.
When I moved out of my parents, my new house had the same lock as my parents house. Found out one day when I used the "wrong" key and it worked.
If you saw, or had a picture of the real key, would you be able select some likey keys, speeding up the process?
"Nothing on 1, nothing on 2, nothing on 3...
...nothing on 104, nothing on 105, 106 is binding... and we're open!"
I wonder if you could make these keys in such a way that you could do binary search and thus only need to try a maximum of 8 keys on average
This video would have been better if you had briefly explained what the Quickset Smart Key system is.
I believe he has a video about them?
You could also likely discount half of the keys based on the length of the first pin
How would you know the length of the first pin?
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