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The biggest issue with this loophole is that it actively punishes teams for being healthy.
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This!
As well as not having certain people "hurt". 9mkllion in cap is alot.... Easiest solution is a playoff salary cap...
they live in ur head rent free huh?@@GoldenKnightsFan-dv9er
Injuries have been sinking rebuilding teams every season. I'm sure most GMs would prefer their players play. Vegas was decently close to losing their playoff spot this season.
Quoting Hockey psychology.
"Las Vegas injury reserves"
Ong😭
yeah is such an accurate and totally not overused name
...? They don't even use "Las" in their name?
@csharp48 didn't get it :/
@MCDLXXXVIII obviously we do because vegas been good since day one with that expansion draft they been good since the start. Not to mention vegas been doing this for what? 3 years in a row now? Vegas golden injury reserves, vegas golden tourist attraction, vegas golden cheaters
I respect the injury a lacerated spleen is no joke but it’s getting annoying how many times we seen this be used. It’s get frustrating as a fan of the game.
But it’s not like he is being fake hurt
Paper cut spleen.
The league owners had a chance to shut this rule down years ago, but it was almost unanimously approved to remain. I think owners like the rule and the drama it brings to the game.
Vegas has 1.7 million in cap space. If they were sandbagging Stone, they could have activated him weeks ago. Pro-rated cap hits with double retention is the BS no one is talking about.
@@mikle123you don’t know if he’s faking it because he isn’t checked out by independent doctors. It’s pretty much cheating because it’s like a doctor prescribing TRT to a 30 years old athlete to get around a PED ban. Team doctors are financially incentivized to do what is beneficial for the team in the playoffs.
Leafs use LTIR, but most of those injuries are actually long term and they wont be back for the playoffs.
Tampa amd Vegas using LTIR to win the Stanley cup makes this league look Mickey Mouse
So a lacerated spleen isn't long term injury. That's news to me.
@@TheBenKimberlinNo one is denying it is not a real injury but Stone should wait till he's fully recovered before playing in playoffs. LTIR Knights are choosing when it conveniences them whether a player is injured or not. Guarantee once they get eliminated he is resting and won't be playing at the start of next season
@@TheBenKimberlin Or if Stone is ready before the playoffs, he's ready before the playoffs, then Vegas needs to make cap adjustments now, not wait around until the playoffs. That or if there is any sort of doubt with Stone's injury in the playoffs, he should not be allowed to "gut it out" at all - if he's not good enough for a regular season game, then he's not good enough for the playoffs.
I don't know why fans get upset about this, almost every contender does it. Vegas just does it better than everybody. The Leafs have 97.5M on the books and Murray is playing, Leafs nation don't seem to have problem with that.
@@lilkrakJust wait long enough. You'll get plenty in this thread that think that Vegas are doctoring paperwork and stuff. It's ridiculous.
My problem with this whole situation is it punishes teams that remain healthy
So what you are saying is your team isn’t good enough to win?
And rewards teams for faking injuries. This is hockey not soccer, but the NHL is doing everything in its power to pussify the league as fast as they can.
Simple fix: For the playoffs...you can only ice a team that's under the cap.
The team that was iced for the Stanley cup run last season was under the cap
You know that 17 teams are above the cap right? And Vegas' Stanley Cup team was compliant.
I’m pretty sure Vegas could still ice a team under the cap in the playoffs if they sit Martinez in favor of one of the cheaper defensemen
Vegas won the cup last season with a cap compliant team on the ice
@imcoldbore Good for them. Let's make sure that go8ng forward all cup teams do it like that under the cap.
I don't really care about this situation at all since my team isn't a playoff contender, but I will say it is AWFULLY convenient that he will be up and ready to go by playoffs AGAIN
Absolutely getting a lacerated spleen is a huge injury not denying that, but to happen when it did and for him to be ready at the same time AGAIN...... pretty convienient to say the least
Thats assuming it was a real injury, and not just a work around created by a quack doctor.
I mean... it'll affect you someday lol
@@MrPointmidget definitely investigated, and incredibly easy to verify via MRI.
Yeah I’m sure the NHL “investigated” it “thoroughly”
@@Rockmonanov you think every other owner would be totally okay with this if they felt it was not a real injury? I bet if Canadian teams won this way the outrage would not be as vast as this.
I just love the blatancy that they cant even wait till game 2. Its always magically in time for series 1, game 1...
Seems like since expansion draft, the league has gotten extra af..
The penguins might be the last team to legitimately win back to back without musings or ill advised practices..
Sounds like youre mad that your GM cant put together teams like Knights do within the rules. Redirect your anger where it belongs, at your own ahitty GM haha.
This is something that happens each season, by multiple teams…
@@GunGoBang The league was really working hard for the Penguins. Not suspending Malkin after he initiated a fight at the end of game, when it was an automatic suspension...
@@lopoa126 you’re purposely omitting information.
I still don’t understand why teams didn’t vote this out when they could’ve.. keep in mind everyone your favourite team voted for this to be legal unless your favourite team is either Tampa or Carolina. And yes Tampa voted for it to be illegal before doing it themselves .
Because sooner or later, every team will use it. Just look at the fact that a month ago, 9 of the 16 teams in playoff spots were using LTIR. Am I to believe that Demko went down with a recovery time that take him right up to the last game of the regular season/first game of the playoffs?
@@slasher1087demko left practice limping, he started that game and got hurt, you can’t compare someone who’s limping in practice and playing where you need your legs to a player who consistently is put on ltir at the same time the past 4 years.
@@slasher1087demko went down after the trade deadline. The Canucks also didn’t even do anything at the deadline. Why use them as an example in this scenario
@matthewsmith2237 but prove he is hurt and not just getting a rest. You have any idea how stupid your comment is considering how bad they need stone 🤣🤣
@@matthewsmith2237cause the last time Canucks did it they were fined (luongo recapture penalty)
Alot of moves for trades would have bitten other teams really hard but somehow all work out for vegas.
As they say in Vegas: the House always wins.
The trades for Patches and Tatar were busts but the rest have been solid
2:53 you can add us Panther fans too 😭😭😆😆
I know
Tbh the way Panthers gathered playoff injuries I don't think Dallas would have been any better match up.
I sat next to a panther fan at game 5. Some drunk asshole started to berate him but i told him dont worry, I got your back. I hate when assholes threaten away fans just trying to see their team. The panther fan wasnt even being loud.
It’s a simple fix, the NHL needs to make teams be salary cap compliant for the playoffs too. Why does the salary cap go away during the most important time?
Or just remove LTIR entirely.
@@enginfc Only problem would be players that get career ending injuries and have years left on contract - injured players can't be sent down/bought out.
Vegas was cap compliant for playoffs last year. Sure, they'll be over this year, but last year they were under the cap and people still almost had a stroke over it
It's a problem that teams circumvent the cap by trading for players while having guys on LTIR to recover the cap hit. Tampa did it with Kucherov. It's a joke and illegal to actively cheat to win. Take away LTIR cap relief or LTIR all together. Make every team be under the cap for playoffs too.
OR just get rid of the salary cap.
What annoys the crap out of me, is there isnt a system in place to check for LTIR abuse. Because with how many players are magically ready for game 1 series 1, why arent they ready for game 82 of the regular season, or even earlier? Oh... Its because the team used up all that cap, "making a bet" theyd be healed perfectly in time for playoffs, or *anytime after they start* - NEVER thinking about the risk "what if it heals quicker then expected?!"
What if we get caught abusing the system? What if the league forces us to activate him while the cap is still relevant?! What if we're forced to make some drastic decisions a game or two before playoffs, and put somebody really important on waivers?!?
Ya man... This shit really annoys the crap out of me, and its clearly starting to annoy enough gms as well, as the GM meetings revealed they're looking into dealing with this issue... Because we're getting to a point where every year, the team that can ice the most expensive team by game 1 of series 1 is almost given a pass through the first three rounds is just beyond wild...
Some clown called my jets "frauds" earlier this year from a player on a team in the west... Honestly, this type of shit is WAY more fraudulent imo...Needing a team that's like 10 mil over reg season cap, stacked with TD talent you couldnt afford in any other scenario then "luck or otherwise" having a 10 mil player on LTIR though the reg season, using all of that cap, and then BOOM, never ready for game 82. ALWAYS game 1, series 1.
They literally do have a system. The NHL has their own third party physicians verify each LTIR designation. Read the CBA, it's all in there.
@@imcoldbore verify the designation... Cool. How involved are they checking in on the recovery?! What's the protocol if they feel a player is ready to come back, but the teams doctor disagrees? Nevermind just buying off a third party doctor to say everything they checked out was on the up and up. What about a league hired physician?!
Clearly, the system in place isn't working.
@@BoboMcBooboy again, per the CBA the league physicians check the health of all players on LTIR. And gif you’re going to become a conspiracy theorist about paid off dr’s, then there is no way to have a rational, factual conversation with you.
Yes there is. The NHL uses 3rd party doctors to verify EVERY injury in question on LTIR. McCrimmon explained it pretty well in a press conference which is more than Tampa or Chicago did when they used this process.
The lacerated spleen supposed to be Stone on LTIR and return date would be indefinite. Now a month later he is back to practice? Like everyone said from the beginning, if he comes back for playoff, then 100% Vegas is cheating
it's not cheating though, every team is able to do this.
@@Fraustyy no shit every team can do this but its more about is it ethical or not bruh which it obviously isnt is just ruins the entire playoffs and how fun and amazing it is to watch its makes it so unfun to watch a team just have a loaded roster and shit on everyone especially when they are so new and not every team wants to do this or really can like theres no way bettman dosent pretend to not pay attention when vegas are doing this
1.7m cap space. He could have come back weeks ago.
@drchemistry9340 If it's ethical or not is not really important. It's not against the rules and the league has not gotten rid of it when they could it.
I mean i imagine any sane person is going to consider faking an injury to take advantage of another rule as a form of cheating. But realistically there's just not really a rule you can put against it, since you can't punish teams for trying to find replacements for legit injuries.
Honestly just make the salary cap a thing in the playoffs as well
The other teams don't want it, and decided on it before Vegas was a thing.
Exactly. Cap should be there the entire season.
That's too much common sense
its one thing where Stamkos comes back in the stanley cup final, scores a goal and is out for the remainder of series. Its another thing entirely to deliberately exploit the rules. Its bad sportsmanship
U mean like Tampa did with Kucherov or Chicago did with Kane as well?
They’re an aggressive team. Every year is a cup run. Would loved if the leafs did half of what they’ve done to get to where they’ve been. Leafs aren’t just soft on the ice, they’re soft all the way through
vegas has no long game only short game. They have like no 1st round picks in the next 5 years
It’s easier to do with the tax breaks. They should have a sliding salary scale based on Taxes per team, providing an adjustment so that there’s true parody. The caps would be different per team or compensation would be given to players from a pool. It would make it less attractive for Las Vegas to load up on quality 3rd and 4th line players who want to play there.
@@anonymous134ydoesn't really matter when they have most of the pieces in their possession
Leafs are actually using more LTIR space than Vegas lol. So is TB
@@anonymous134y They don't need them apparently. Why keep a first round pick when you can get players like Eichel and Hertl?
It’s funny how people forget that the expansion draft was a new idea but people didn’t give Vegas a chance. We got a lot of talented players that were pissed off that no one believed in them. Then October 1 happened which was the worst mass shooting and Vegas knights helped heal this town. They played pissed off hockey with a purpose. Not to mention teams who came to Vegas didn’t take them serious the first year and partied their butt off. That’s how Vegas won their way to the Stanley Cup the first year!
I’m not upset with Vegas. They gotta do what they gotta do to win. I’m upset the league has a system like this in place, and none of the GM’s want to fix it.
Exactly bro… like people are getting mad at Vegas for doing this but it’s been done before and it’s allowed and it’s just good managing. Even despite this, people are probably just mad that they lost to them and a team in their first year went to a cup final and in the sixth year won a chip like your team should just beat them regardless of what the other team does lol
Same. It’s too easy to be mad at Vegas cause they’re one team. Getting mad at all the owners and GMs is more frustrating cause you know it’s never gonna change from how it is.
No this is a total coincidence.
Vegas has always been known to be honest, fair and balanced.
They would never tilt the scales in their favor.
Not Vegas🎰🎰🎰
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Ahh. Hilarious how it's only an issue with Vegas but was cool with Tampa when they won the Cup, or when Chicago did with Kane? Poor baby.
*If a Canadian team tried using the loophole to the extent Vegas has the NHL would shut it down and change the rules mid-season.*
We don't have alot of fear of a Canadian team winning the cup but once every 2 or 3 decades so feel free.
The NHL hates the Canadian teams because they have a smaller market and make the NHL less money so there's a "different" set of rules in place. I'm from the Chicago area and I am a Blackhawks and an avalanche fan but I would love to see a Canadian team win the cup just to run it in Bettmans face
I don’t deny that actual injuries are occurring…but it also seems like some tampering is going on.
It feels like at this point that the team/player is pushing the return date back a few weeks or so to “fully recover”, so that it coincides with the start of the playoffs and doesn’t cause issues for the team to be cap compliant for any stretch of time as the end of the regular season.
Either that, or the players are intentionally playing with some nagging injuries until they hit the point of the season where they can now go on LTIR and know that the recovery window will perfectly line up with the playoffs starting. Like if Mark stone was diagnosed with some back injury in 2023, and they know the recovery is about 8 weeks…he could just play through some discomfort until the playoffs are 8 weeks away, then go on LTIR for those 8 weeks.
There’s just too many times this has happened for it to be a coincidence in my mind. There’s some type of manipulation going on.
in this case i believe its the opposite: if he comes back game 1 of the playoffs then he's likely not 100% recovered. His injury occurred 8 weeks before the playoffs and a normal recovery is 8-10 weeks, but that's for doing normal stuff, not playing a contact sport. I think the team is in a position where they will be starting on the road and can see how those first 2 games go before making a decision on him for their home games.
@@penduulumif it’s the opposite how has gabe vilardi missed less then a month with the same injury and got hurt after stone?
@@michaeldodd6254 Vilardi's spleen was only enlarged, due to a viral/bacterial issue.
@@michaeldodd6254 different injury. enlarged spleen is not the same as a lacerated spleen FYI (pretty sure the one that comes with internal bleeding is more severe). Coincidently: both GMs lied when saying their players would be out indefinitely despite probably being provided with reliable timelines.
Is that how it feels? Tell us more about your feelings
As a Knights fan in Vegas, I think some of the criticism is definitely valid. The LTIR circumventing is definitely cheap, even though Stone is very much injured (he is made of glass). If they ended up changing the rule due to CHI/TBL/VGK I would more than understand.
I think the Knights rep regarding how they treat their players is overblown. The Fleury deal was horrible and people are still pissed about that to this day. Other than that, it's nitpicking. Nate Schmidt was wildly overpaid and we had Petro instead. While I love Reaves, he had lost his edge and was a liability. Patches was injury prone and had a bad reputation so I definitely don't miss him.
For the teams listed, I actually think they are healthy rivalries. The Oilers are easily our biggest rival now and we really hate Kane here. Will say I love the Winnipeg fan base, I've never had a bad convo with a Jets fan.
Toronto is the worst abuser of the LTIR if your going to call it that. 465 man games lost to injury for the knights so far. next closest is sanjose with 400. here is the breakdown of teams over the cap on LTIR:
TOR
$97,645,821
$0
( TBL
$93,776,877
$0
VGK
$92,261,326
$0
COL
$90,957,006
$0
MTL
$88,833,033
$0
VAN
$86,599,159
@@lordbraunschweiger7814but how many of Torontos LTIR players are playing in the playoffs?
The target on Stone's back will be bigger this year, if ge gets hurt, it's on his team for playing him, but make no mistake, many will be gunning for him and I for one, look forward to seeing it. Kane I think, would serve. Oilers vs knights 2nd round.
@@thana01ich19 as a side note for the Knights, ours is weighed down a bit by the dead weight that is robin lehner. God that deal didn't work out
@@NatsdadsamI you do know that Stone is not the one holding himself out right? Everyone knows that it's management, not the captain of the team. Also if you're a fan who's actually rooting for injuries, let alone to someone who has had multiple career jeopardizing ones, shame on you
It seems like, these days, if you don't abuse the loophole then you're at a disadvantage. Someone will do it and you'll be punished. I'm not sure why they haven't fixed this rule issue yet.
Simple. Because both the owners and players want it like this. They all make more money.
While I understand the outrage and the fact that this is not a new trend. First thing I did was check and ruptured spleen recovery time is 3 - 12 weeks and he slotted in perfectly at 7 weeks for being back on the ice. So, while it is incredibly convenient it is what it is
Please dont bring up facts or logic. There are a lot of hockey fans who are very upset and feelings are hurt. Drama!
Everyone mad should be mad at their GMs. Vote went up after 2015 to fix it and everyone except the Blues and Lightning thought it was fine. Don’t be mad your team’s GM isn’t using a legal loophole.
Sincerely,
A diehard Lightning fan.
Why would any sane person be mad at all. You realise this is all a conspiracy theory right?
The NHL independently verifies anyone going on the LTIR. This little theory that is floating around requires the players, the GK organisation, the squad's doctors, NHL's doctors and the NHL itself all in on it.
They are my third favourite team with Carolina and Jets coming ahead of them. Even though I don't lie that Jets could legitimately play Vegas if they beat the Avs which they proved the can. I do like Vegas. Their GM is incredibly smart, their roster has pure passion and they have incredible skill when they are healthy and playing well. Getting Hanifin, Mantha and Hertl was huge but a bit sad at how Mantha hasn't shown extreme skill with the team but hopefully he can heat up a bit and help the team out a ton more. Some people will say this roster is worse than last year but I can argue that. Yeah they lost Kessel and Smith which has extreme offense as Kessel in his prime was a goal scorer and Reilly Smith is a goal scorer as well but got more assists on average with Vegas. But I think Hanifin, Mantha and Hertl beat that. First off they got a wing while both Kessel and Smith were wings (I know Smith not 100% on Phil Kessel) they got a wing, a VERY good center and a very good two way defensemen in Hanifin. Overall I think that is better but may just be me.
Gary's loophole.
Well, it is Gary's hard cap, so that would make sense it's also his loophole that ZERO owners, GMs, or, ESPECIALLY, players have any interest in closing.
*Can anyone explain the loophole with Hertl? What do you mean if he's ready for playoffs? He's already back and playing. I know he was injured at the time of the trade. But Vegas brought him back early. So does that mean he counts as part of the cap? Isn't it just Mark Stone that's circumventing the cap?*
I understand some of the criticism and eyebrow raising over it. However, majority of teams besides I believe 2 or 3 voted to keep it the way it is.
The Fleury debacle alone was enough to show me this is a classless organization.
They were pretty fucking classless well before that.
Don't forget, there was SERIOUS Talk of having a parade down LV Blvd when they LOST the Stanley Cup in 2018. I know I was living there at the time. Someone talked them out of it, but the fact that it was even slightly considered just speaks to the arrogance, stupidity and overall classlessness of the entire organization. Fuck the golden showers.
@@kevinalexander6812That's hardly classless. It's awesome if even defeated team can enjoy their success. Coz in the league of 32 teams, final IS huge success. It reminds me when Czech soccer team lost EURO final to Germans and were welcomed as heroes with full square of happy people. And German journalists praised them as fantastic losers that love their team despite loss and know how hard and special it was to be even the runner up.
Fleury had to go, and with the benefit of hindsight it was absolutely the best decision to make
@@kevinalexander6812 man really just copy pasted his dumbass comment into this thread.
We get it, you're jealous. Cry about it
@@nicksanderson5059they should have at least advised him he learned that he was traded on twitter that’s the worst way to know you’re not part of a team anymore
It’s a bad look when Stanley cup teams did it via cap circumvention.
When it happened in 2022, we didn’t think much of it. When it happened last year, it was convenient. This year? MIGHTY convenient. Especially since lacerated spleens typically have a recovery time of 6 months.
As one (Vegas) fan on Twitter said; “Gonna be much harder to defend this time around”.
No they don't, a lacerated spleen has a recovery time of 3 to 6 months. Not 6. 3 months would put him right in line for a playoff timeframe. Also, Yes, he has been injured 3 seasons in a row, but he has only come back for the playoffs twice after injury. He came back in the regular season in 21-22 when they missed the playoffs.
@@imcoldbore He came back and missed the playoffs... Did they not use his cap space to get 'replacements'?
Don't forget that they, also, didn't have to give up any players when the Kraken had their expansion draft. They were the only team exempt from giving up any players.
Honestly if their not breaking the rules so if you want to get angry be angry at the league and not the team
Cool there’s still something called integrity. And dignity. But I guess that doesn’t matter right?
@@MikeHoncho610stay mad bud.
League sucks a$$. I expect zero ethics from a Vegas team. Another reason the professional leagues avoided Vegas for so long.
@@MikeHoncho610 When has another team shown the integrity/dignity not to do this when given the chance? Genuinely curious, as I don't pay much attention to this sort of thing.
If you have many examples, then you have a point. If you have very few examples, this integrity you speak of is an outlier among teams. If you can't give any examples, then you're just looking for an excuse to claim VGK is being unfair.
And the owners
If you watch the games, Stone is regularly targeted, he is the spark plug of the team. Their record without him pushed them from the lead to the last wild card.
Next year, Mcdavids gonna pull a hamstring 6 weeks out, we will pick up a few top players and hope for knights first round. This rule has to be amended at the very least. Can't become "part of the process" at deadline. For ALL teams.
If the Oilers sat 97 for 6 weeks they wouldn’t even make the playoffs.
@@alfernken tell that to Colorado
Gamesmanship has always been a part of the game on the ice. Fans understand this. In the cap era, it is also a part of the game off the ice. For whatever reason, many do not understand this.
The Golden Knights were the team no expected to be this successful.
Can't fault a team for playing within the rules. In fact, Kudos to them for doing it. Like most NHL issues (ex. officiating) the fault is with the league and the way they overlook problems as long as they can, especially when it interferes with making more money.
Just in time..... again. This is getting ridiculous.
You mean the Vegas Bettman’s because he’s the one who needed a successful expansion after flops like Atlanta plus the relocation of Arizona and with the added Betting elements I would not be surprised if games were fixed
I despise Vegas as much as the next guy, but the silver lining here is their team will and is aging FAST. They have just one former 1st round pick prospect, after trading Edstrom to San Jose in their system and have traded a lot of their better upcoming picks away for win-now veterans too. These trades and success will eventually catch up with them soon and will hit them like a truck.
Not a Vegas fan, but it's their job to give themselves the best chances to win under the rules. Problem is the fact that the league is giving the possibility to ice a team over the cap when it actually matter if they have been "fortunate" enough to have injuries at the right time.
As an Ottawa fan why is anyone complaining? Every other team can do it too. Be mad at your own team for not being smart enough to use all the rules.
I don't like Vegas like most people but I'm sorry if your GM isn't taking advantage of the LTIR cap circumvention then he's not doing his job. Every team has players that you could use to circumvent the cap for some reason a lot of teams don't. So these fans should be more upset at their own team for not cheating the system the way Vegas does cause at the end of the day a fanbase that wins the cup doesn't care about hoe other fanbases feel about their organization and they will be remembered for winning the cup not cheating the system
No dummy,, teams cant use it unlesss they have legit injuries or cheat and fake injuries that line up with playoffs starting
Easy to say when your team hasn’t even sniffed the playoffs in 7 years.
No. Everyone with a memory will remember that tampa, then Vegas abused the ltir to win them cups, Vegas trying again for a second time... most of us will never forget having to cheat to win
@ElDonGato69 that's sad cause I could circumvent the cap better than whatever team you cheer fors GM it's really not hard. Anyone can do it quite simply so like I stated if your GM isn't theyre not doing their job correctly
Vegas !!
Stone healing was excellent. This a very good team😎
All they need is a rule that a player returning from ir can't put the current team over the salary cap. How frigging hard is that?
The league just needs to change the rules to have the salary cap remain in effect in the playoffs as well as the regular season.
Problem solved.
Wont happen because it will prevent the star players from playing in the playoffs if they get injured before the trade deadline.
@@merksmovies25 too bad? Don't be made of glass and like 45 years old
@@DustOnTheGround01 lol good thing what you want wont ever happen for that exact reason alone. Nhl aint gonna have their star players be out during the playoffs if they’re healthy
Don't hate the players, hate the game....and Bettman, haaaaaaate Bettman.
I used to love the Golden Knights, I default like teams unless the city they're in sucks. But the Golden Knights pattern of shipping off players, abusing IR, and the way they've behaved on the ice have made me dislike them. One of the few teams I like the fanbase but not the team.
What do you mean by "the way they've behaved on the ice"? IIRC they're one of the least penalized teams in the league.
@@feliksdombrosky3942Trying to chop off Draisaitl's hand because you think there should have been a penalty is one easy one to remember.
Don’t forget during 2020 players being unlikable pieces of shit
@@chrismdb5686 Oilers deserve every hit they get lmao
Until the league or the other GMs take action, what they're doing is completely legal. It really doesn't make much sense that the salary cap only matters for the regular season, kinda defeats the purpose of the cap providing an even playing ground when it doesn't apply to the most important part of the season. It'd be an easy enough fix to have the team you dress in the playoffs have to be cap compliant, but from the sound of things the other teams aren't eager to make that a rule. I guess in the off-chance they can circumvent the cap in the playoffs themselves one year.
Sucks as a fan(unless your team is doing it), but doesn't seem likely that it's going to change any time soon. Maybe if Vegas wins again this year some of the other GMs might change their minds and push for some change.
Lightning with Kucherov started all this . Now Vegas is just abusing it 😒
Chicago started it actually, and Tampa complained about it. When it didn't get fixed they just did it themselves.
Yes I remember TB doing this with Kucherov, keeping him on LTIR for many months.
As a torontonian, good for vegas. and everyone else, (leafs included), get good or fold. Ppl be using the cap as an excuse for a severe lack of imagination and i got no time for that crap.
Amen.
Everyone that brings up how its convenient they are healthy for the playoffs but not the regular season. I really don't think its because theyre being stopped from coming back, more that they are coming back early and arent fully healed. Kucherov looked slow when he came back. Like we know players play injured all the time, it really feels more likely this is the case, rather than players not being allowed to play while healthy.
It should infuriate the Hockey world. Don't forget, there was SERIOUS Talk of having a parade down LV Blvd after they LOST the Stanley Cup in 2018. I know, I was living there at the time. Eventually someone talked them out of it, but the fact that it was even slightly considered just speaks to the arrogance, stupidity and overall classlessness of the entire organization. Not to mention the way they did Marc-Andre Fleury dirty. Just inexcusable. Fuck the golden showers.
The county wanted to do that, as a thank you for the community support that year. The team said no, rightfully so. Entitled to your opinion of the team of course but they never planned nor considered that at all.
I’m sure they’ll be devastated to read that.
LOL you take a sport way too personally
Also, it wasn't the team's idea for the parade, it was the county. The team stopped it and said they would not participate.
I think the part that makes this supposed cheat frustrating, is that in the regular season teams would be putting guys on waivers to call these guys back, and therefore be risking contracted players who hold value, as well as risking paying for part of waved players should someone else claim them, with a retained salary that would go against the cap. Come play off time, you can just sit folks out without any repercussions. In the regular season, those sitting would still be considered against the cap until they get waived to the minors. It does build an odd loophole.
Two things that get missed in the Vegas discussion:
1. The revisionist history of the expansion draft. Yes the NHL allowed them to draft at a competitive level, but every pundit thought they were going to be garbage that first season. Many people felt they squandered their picks and no one thought that Smith, Marcheassault, Karlson, or Peron would be anything more than ok.
B. No one recognizes how ruthless (in a good way) Vegas management has been. They execute cap gymnastics and roster management better than anyone. They’re willing to unload a great player/coach if it’s a net positive. The timing of all the LTIR stuff comes from a management point. Look at Stone and Eichel injuries last year. Many teams are willing to let guys play through that but Vegas’s management has them get surgery/rehab on a schedule that frees up cap space and makes them available for the playoffs.
If what Vegas is doing is so simple then why aren't other teams doing the same? All teams have access to the salary cap rule book.
Because they arent good enough
None of the owners voted against the rule. It’s a part of the game at this point
I think the expansion draft format is great and allows new teams to be able to compete right off the bat
BUT the LTIR loophole needs to be closed ASAP
To think that Vegas actively puts one of their best players, who is having one of his best seasons ever, on LTIR so they can almost miss the playoffs, and get the last spot in the west is absurd. Additionally, a team cant just put some one on LTIR. It has to go through a vetting process.
Man hockey has some cry baby fans.
Preach.
Vegas isn't actively putting Mark Stone on LTIR, it your teams trying to break him putting him on LTIR. Take accountability.
@DiogenesTheCynic. There it is folks. The dumbest TH-cam comment of the day.
@@702couch there it is folks. the REAL dumbest youtube comment of the day
Hertl wasnt even available 😂 and had a full no move clause but VGK management is best and made it happen #goknightsgo
if the avs wanted to win they shouldn't have played like shit for half the game. that has nothing to do with ltir.
they thought they could just coast and defend the lead after going up 3 and that's just not how it works. also maybe toews should try playing some actual defense and tie up his man so he can't just sit there and tip the puck for the gwg...
What's your explanation for Vegas getting spanked by Arizona?
@@Evan-C i didnt watch that game so i dont have one. most likely vegas was coasting and and ariziona wasn't.
Make the cap count in the playoffs as well, problem solved.
I'd like an independent investigation of the medical staff of Las Vegas, please.
I want the contact details of Stones doctor, seems he could write a compelling sick note to my boss.
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honestly, great. I’d rather a team I cheer for be considered villains because they’re too good than for other, less savory reasons. Like others have said, if your team’s GM ain’t playing the salary cap like Vegas (and Tampa) has then they are objectively not doing their job. The fault for that lies with the NHL and will until they decide to do something about it.
So clearly you know it's unscrupulous. Fuck the golden showers
@@kevinalexander6812 womp womp go cry me a river
Simple fix. Playoffs are cap restricted just like the Playoffs. This system is so dumb and punishes healthy teams so hard, and rewards teams that have elite players that are made of glass mid season. Some how then come back early in the playoffs 110%. I really can't wait for Mark Stone to go on LTIR next year in Feb/March with another long term injury. Only to come back for game 1.
I don’t understand the whole cap thing when other teams do it too. Knights started the season great and then went thru a roller coaster. The players they acquired are not super star players , they picked players they knew it would work with the team but being a gamble. As a franchise they have changed the game, you can’t win a Stanley cup with an old mentality. Vegas gets so many people that travel to just see a game even if it’s not their team because how the energy is here. I understand some teams never won a Stanley cup but who’s fault is that ? Can’t blame and judge the Knights on them not winning and more shameful being more experienced on the game
'here'? Ew you live in that cesspool? wow man
to be fair to vegas people are blowing this out of proportion. I understand the frustration but vegas is not the first time to do this and you can’t get mad at an expansion draft when that blame should fall under the commissioner for the way he set it up. Teams have done it in the past and will continue to do it, only reason people are getting mad at vegas is because boston has stopped being the bad guy and they are nitpicking someone else instead of them (not a vegas fan)
You didn’t even mention the main reason people are mad. How are you going to have Mark Stone get injured and then magically be healed before the playoffs 3 YEARS IN A ROW. Abusing the salary cap is the cheapest way to win and teams who do should have an asterisk beside their wins
@@rileysevern1968yeah as much as i hated tampa for doing it in 2021 at least they didn’t use kucherov and stamkos every year for the ltir (as far as i’m aware)
@@rileysevern1968 if someone can prove he’s not actually injured then that’s cheating. As far as everyone knows he’s actually injured so that kinda what it’s there for
@@King-03530 well it’s happened 3 years in a row at the exact same time and all three years he’s been fine by the playoffs. That’s not a coincidence
@@predat0r178 maybe stop taking cheap shots at Mark Stone's back and laughing about it? Then you won't have to complain about VGK LTIR trade deadline money every year.
I have no skin in this game, but you can't fault any team for exploiting the rules. Jesus said, "Be wise as serpents." It's a lot better strategy than Harold Ballard not caring about winning the cup because Leaf fans will show up win or lose.
I mean maybe other teams shouldn’t injure Mark Stone a lacerated spleen is not a joke. I’m convinced that Mark Stone could’ve been killed and people would still be crying about the trade pick ups.
you just said that....haha wow. it is not chess they are playing
They need to fix it across the board, irregardless of the teams or their cups. The Golden Knights being stupidly stacked heading into this playoffs is only a recently example of this.
At the end of the day this is a NHL problem, not a Vegas problem.
That being said, if Mark Stone is playing day one in the playoffs, whichever team is playing them should make that the hardest game he's ever played.
IMO, they should suspend the cap 2 weeks before the trade deadline so every team can do what they want for their respective playoff pushes. You would still have to be cap compliant at the beginning of the next season, but healthy teams wouldn't repeatedly get punished by this BS.
I can't imagine having a front office so inept that they don't do everything it takes to win.
Last I checked, all NHL teams have the same rules and free agency opportunities, and same cap rules. Teams that win always jealous haters. I’m not even a Vegas fan, just realistic. Maybe your hometown team needs better management
This has brought up the dumbest arguments made by fair-weather fans. “Boo, your team didn’t make it into the playoffs, must be Vegas and Bettman’s fault…”
Lets go over the reality of this:
1) Hertl, Hanafin, and Mantha were traded for trades and players. With Stone out, that’s 5.5 mil in cap space (if memory serves). That doesn’t account for everyone coming.
2) Vegas and Seattle had the same advantages at the expansion draft with different results. Vegas’s strategy has been to go for big ticket talent and toss out aging talent for seasoned (enough) players. They are not building new players with the exception of dorofieyev and cotter. Other teams want the prospects. Chicago, for example, going balls deep on Bedard only to find their season in ruins. It’s a time old strategy that has failed and Vegas management knows this. They trade draft picks for players.
3) you will see a lot of contracts going to other teams from Vegas after this year. Alec Martinez is for sure out (6-7mil cap space for hanafin), possibly Stephenson if he can’t get paid…it’s going to be a shakeup. Mantha is on loan and Hertl may be as well.
4) Mcdavid is sitting out games to get to playoffs healthy after an injury. Stone’s issues are between him and his doctor. League doctors also weigh in. So unless there is a mass conspiracy (which many of you idiots would advocate exists) the guy is just prone to injury. The back surgeries alone would be hard to fake….
Lastly, stone is in a no contact jersey. If he makes round 1 then it will add fuel to the fire. More likely they are trying to keep him fresh and knowing the strategy they employed put the team over the cap…but they had an injured captain and key player. Rules is rules ladies and gents.
For Canadian teams not winning cups; look at your dog shit markets and fan bases. Also,
Look at your taxes. Players don’t want to be living in snow, paying more money to the government and being in a market full of drama and bullshit. But also, look at pre Vegas expansion teams…CBJ are a joke, Yotes are moving, Nashville is inconsistent…they were smart to give new expansions a head start given how franchises fail in the nhl.
They've been rewarded with a trip to Dallas who has better everything and also scored well at the trade deadline. out in 6
I am a Sharks fan going back to the Owen Nolan days and even before, and I despise Vegas. I'll never forget the comeback against them when Joe Pav got injured.
Why was the expansion draft "unfair"?
The real solution is making LTIR last 5 or 6 months. Players with season-ending injuries will allow the team to find another player in the meantime, and if you realistically want to abuse this loophole, then good luck playing in a team without your first line superstar for 80% of the season.
As a fan of a team that has to play in the same division as the undeservedly gifted (via draft lottery) VGK, I have hated this team since Day One.
I'm sorry, but the entire league had a chance to end this. Tampa brought it to everyone's attention before they even started doing it, then after they won the Cup with this method Vegas caught on. Tampa was the ONLY team in the NHL that voted to close the loophole.
if you think Mark Stone is 100% healthy, then you're wrong. If you expect him to have a large target on his back going into the playoffs, then you're right.
Haters only believe a revisionist version of how Vegas has used/benefitted from the LTIR rule.
The first year Stone went on LTIR for back surgery (2 seasons ago), Vegas went from 1st place in the division (Deboer coached the all-star team that year) to missing the playoff (they didn't make it to the post season). So I guess the "cheating" blew up in their faces that year. And so then I guess they were stupid enough to try it again the next season. Stone goes on LTIR again, another back surgery and Vegas loads up at the deadline. But I don't think you can really consider it "loading up", when all they did at the deadline was add some depth. Both Teddy Blueger and Ivan Barbashev made around 2mil each (Bluegar spent the majority of the playoffs as a healthy scratch). Oh and they added J. Quick, who didn't play in the playoffs at all. They won the Cup, after missing the year previous, but you can't say they "loaded up". This year Stone went on LTIR again, and you can say they loaded up (it's the first year you can honestly say that), but they barely made the playoff (so it almost failed again) and maybe it would be fair to wait and see how Vegas' playoff goes before you allow them so much rent free space in your head because of your unfounded and illogical hate.
Complete joke of a rule, when a player comes off of LTIR they should be forced to be cap compliant- if that means making other players inactive so be it. Like how can other teams compete when you have guys like Kucherov (in TBays case) the best player in the league at that time not even counting toward your cap…like what???
Vancouver: if Stone plays, we riot
The salary cap is apparently flexible when comes to big money owners. Why have a cap if it is not enforced, especially during the playoffs?
Why is Vegas the only one who gets to draft like that?
Meh. I’m a Vegas fan and I see it for what it is. If your teams doing it you love it, if you lose to a team doing it you hate it. Simple as that
The rules are the same for everybodyIf your GM can't work the rules for your benefit, maybe you need a new GM!
I think people are more upset that it is relatively uncommon for a team to be in a situation where the player they put in LTIR actually comes back for playoffs. There are teams “above” them in terms of proj. cap hit, but they don’t have players coming back like Stone. And most teams won’t even have the ability to put high value contracts on LTIR because these players aren’t injured commonly. Stone is just an injury prone high value vet that allows Vegas to exploit this loophole. I also feel like I don’t see people point out how the first season he was put on LTIR, Vegas missed the playoffs and this year they almost missed the playoffs again with that late season slide.
There is a clear solution that would've cleared that loophole... Enforce the cap in the playoffs.
That would've been a governors vote and guess what? Take a guess... I'll wait...
They won't do a single thing because they think they can abuse it too...
New franchise deserve 10-11 wins max, year one. Build from there and deal with it. This instant contender/championship bullshit is ridiculous, especially when it’s at the expense of many franchises that have been in purgatory for decades.
nhl need to fix the problem, until then i wish my team would start doing this. i don’t care if it’s “cheating” if it gets a cup and isn’t against the rules
The problem is that mark stone has done this 3 times before… and comes back game 1 of the playoffs… it’s to coincidental…. The league needs to fix the loophole… and don’t tell me any team can do it cause other teams have done it but normally it’s only once and it’s not a pattern like kucherov was off the entire year when Tampa did it so yes he probably was for sure hurt…. Not every team has someone that perpetually gets hurt around trade deadline then returns for game 1 of playoffs like mark stone… a doctor of another team needs to look at him and keep it confidential to see if he’s actually injured
The fix to this is having a minimum games played threshold for players during the regular season. If you don't play in at least 70 games you are not eligible for the playoff roster.
Go Knights go!