As a browns fan, he needed to be humbled and to mature. I think him bouncing from team to team and becoming a father has made him a different person. Happy for his success
That's why development of the QBs is more important than just drafting one and also BUILDING THE RIGHT TEAM AROUND THEM ALSO HELPS! Why is it so hard for teams to understand that?!
True but some of the blame still goes to these QB's too though, doesn't it? I mean if you have 3-4 years to prove yourself and fail - maybe its time to move on.
@napalmblaziken you're not wrong. They have no time for incompetence. There will be a new draft next year. So you better play well or that senior in college is going to take your job.
I was about to say the same thing LOL. I have always had faith in Darnold, but his career was rookie year, 2 years under Gase, traded to Panthers where he played 2 years, and then traded to 49ers to sit under Purdy. This is the first year he's actually had a chance to succeed and I love it.
@@maxreboh3204 Helps when you have a good pass-blocking O-line, quality receivers (JJ, Hock and Addison) and an offensive coordinator who knows what he's doing. Dude always had the arm talent, now he has the weapons and coaching to become what he was drafted to be. Ideal scenario would be to resign with the Vikes for 2 years and let McCarthy sit and learn.
This makes me think of a weird future where 15 years from now Lamar loses his mobilty to an Achilles tear and turns into a Drew Brees style quick release passer and wins CPotY and Josh Allen comes out of retirement to finally get the Bills a ring.
Allen didn’t break out until year 3 either. Playing quarterback in the nfl is not easy and teams are too quick to move on from a guy they thought had potential. Consistency in coaching is one of the most important factors in quarterback development.
McCarthy was never going to start for Vikings this season, they wanted to sit him a year, for Darnold sitting and learning San Francisco’s offense, learning how to put effort into the smallest of details helped him immensely. Vikings offense is very similar to 49ers. So it was a very nice transition. His arm, knowledge of the offense and having Justin Jefferson plus Brian Flores Defense… makes a very nice recipe.
But they’d have started him midseason very likely. With him out and Sam having low expectations they’ve already surpassed expectations more or less and could be a playoff contender. Kevin is a really good coach and get darrisaw in the pro bowl!
@@spidamitchell8311JJ wouldn't have been in at all with Darnold balling like this. JJ wasn't even a top 10 offensive player on that U of M squad, he was just there to make easy throws to a top receiver and give Corum a break.
More evidence that not every QB can or should be thrown out on the field his rookie year, people forget his first coach for multiple years was Adam Gase
Literally what I’m thinking with both Caleb Williams and Justin Fields. The Bears are literally throwing talent out the window with how they are handling their rookies given that Justin Fields is 3/3 with the Steelers when starting and Caleb Williams is literally looking like a bust.
@@hellowhirled you entirely missed the point of the comment. I was one of the hardest “Justin Fields is not a bust he is on a bad team” proponents. I was proven right immediately when he began starting for the Steelers and has gone 3/3 with very solid QB ratings. Similarly Caleb Williams is on a bad team and he is beginning to look like a bust because, again, he is on a bad team. Once he gets out of Chicago (inevitably will happen because the organization is a heaping pile of garbage) he will flourish and play well. If you would’ve put the context together with the video, you would’ve seen that what I was saying is that the 5 really bad teams in the NFL (Bears, Browns, Titans, Panthers, Raiders) have pretty horrendous organizations that do not allow players to grow and flourish. That’s why teams like the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Vikings, the Packers, etc can be expected to be good no matter their starters -because they are just run better.
I also think the 2020/21 college seasons may have been hard on QB prospects as the weird covid schedules hindered development. Plus defenses have caught back up to NFL offenses, so being a rookie QB is going to be hard again if you're not CJ Stroud.
@@griffin8er845 you're right, i did misread your comment. i think i agree with you, i just don't feel comfortable judging anything like this so early in CW's career. i WILL say that he should start painting his nails orange for games. maybe he'll play better. who knows.
I feel like part of it is that worst teams get to draft these high talented QBs without any structure thinking it will save the franchise, it kills the development of the player because they can’t get better when they are constantly being brought down by the lack of talent and coaching.
I’m so happy for Sam Darnold as a Jets fan and as a football fan in general. I’ve always been high on him since his USC days. It’s incredible to see how he’s been performing and how confident he is now. Same with Geno Smith these last couple seasons along with Justin Fields. These casual football fans say that coaching does not matter at all and after 2020, I would say it matters very much. Same with teambuilding because I look at Patrick Mahomes and I look at Joe Burrow, as well as Jalen hurts and Lamar Jackson. Guess what those guys have in common? An organization that knows how to develop players, sign players, draft players, and good coaching. The Jets have not have neither in the last decade, and as a matter of fact, I feel that the last two starting quarterbacks proceeded in error. Rogers did not have the talent that was needed to make the team better and the players. I remember Sam Darnold in his last season with the Jets and that team was so terrible. Anytime your weapons are Jamison Crowder, Breshard Perriman, Braxton Berrios, and Denzel Mims you’re not winning shit at all. That offensive line was absolutely fucking garbage and it’s a miracle we won any games at all that year. Now compare the 2020 Jets with the Chiefs and even the Colts, it’s like night and day.
The most important aspect of making a great QB will always be the situation he's in. If a QB is drafted to a bad situation, 99.99% he will be a "bust".
Great video! Whenever I see these QBs having a comeback moment or reviving their careers, I feel like the media and fans are just too quick to judge. Any QB needs proper time and development, after all.
I gained mad respect for Jameis after his 30 turnover season when he was very forthcoming about his issues and saying he needed to go to QB school and back up Drew Brees. I think Jameis is a genuine dude that needs a coach to believe in him
As of the time of my comment, Allen already has 3 TD passes in the MNF game and they're destroying Jacksonville. This could be Allen's year. And Buffalo might really being an afterthought.
Best one will ALWAYS be Jim Plunkett. If he had quit after being released by the 49ers, Plunkett would be a top 5 draft bust. Thankfully, he got his chance when the starter Dan Pastorini broke his leg in 1980. Gave him the chance to go out there and prove himself which he did. Won them the Super Bowl as a wildcard and then came off the bench again in 1983 and won his second Super Bowl. The sad thing he is the ONLY QB to NOT be in the hall of fame after winning 2 Super Bowls.
To be fair, he's one of the more incidental Super Bowl winning quarterbacks of all time. HOF quarterbacks should be real difference-makers, and I don't think simply not losing games for that defense and Marcus Allen is enough.
@@Kdizzzzz9999 I was talking about Plunkett, not Gannon (although I'm pretty sure Gannon never won the Super Bowl. He got there in '02 but lost to Tampa Bay.)
That was a great hot take on Winston being good bc he’s been exceptional for the browns lately even tho I’m not a browns fan the future looks good for u guys with Winston
@@georgelucas2571 Ehh, the problem with the Falcons pick is the guy they picked more than anything. They picked the second oldest QB in the league. Had they picked up McCarthy I'd be more comfortable with the pick. Also the glaring holes on the defensive side, even if they were saved by a last minute free agent and a trade
Good video but one thing I can't stress enough: O line makes all the difference. Most of these guys saw big improvements up front. It's hard for guys to develop and play their best if they're always under pressure
As an eagles fan I still sometimes go back and watch highlights of that guy Carson Wentz and he could flat out make some impossible plays. Obviously, there were impossible plays he didn't make too which is is reputation but the guy played like he was fearless and like he was far more athletic than he really was. And now he's in Kansas City. One of if not the best coached team in my opinion. I hope this guy gets another chance he was just so much fun to watch.
You’ve gotten the Vikings situation COMPLETELY wrong. Sam was brought in to be the starter, that’s why we paid him 10 million dollars. The plan was always to sit JJ McCarthy and give him a redshirt, JJ looked way better in camp than we thought he would but Sam was always named the starter. With JJ hurt though unfortunate, Sam doesn’t have pressure to perform though he’s doing great.
Same. Darnold had way too much pressure on him with the Jets, and it wasn't all his fault. Poorly constructed team, bad coaching and crap front office. Now he's grown, less pressure and more relaxed.
Great work, as always. Earlier, this month was the 30th anniversary of one of the most hyped and anticipated regular sesson games in NFL history. Week 2 1994 at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City. 49ers at Chiefs. Student vs. Teacher. Young vs. Montana. It's not the greatest game ever by any means, but how we got there is the real story.
@@atg1338 literally said “if darnolds play stays consistent” not “sam is a hof player”. Also he’s played a lot more than 3 games in his career, you know he’s not a rookie right?
Justin Jefferson makes his teammates better. He's wide open for Darnold every play, or he's taking 11 guys with him and getting Josh Oliver or Jalen Nailor open.
Trey Lance comes to mind. Like Willis he didnt have a ton of experience in college, didnt play against a ton of FBS competition, but had lots of of raw talent. If he had a chance to sit and learn the same system for several years, he might turn into something. But Willis is a rare breed. In terms of athleticism and arm strength, hes on the level of a Michael Vick. Also had a 32 wonderlic score. He was just played way too soon, benched way too soon, and played for coaches who had little interest in developing and adapting to him. And that's foolish. If you judge a cheetah based on its ability to swim rather than its ability to do cheetah things, youll be disappointed with the results.
What u me a Willis didn’t face a ton of FBS talent? He went to Auburn for his first 2years and Liberty was in the FBS when he transfer over their in 19’
I think “bust” refers more to the players attitude than anything else. Just look at the two biggest busts ever. Ryan Leaf and Jemarcus Russell. Both had bad mindsets and let their bad qualities overwhelm their natural talent.
Sam Darnold was always going to be the starter come Week 1, but hopes were high for JJ Mccarthy to replace him once he was ready. Then he got injured, which pretty much cemented Darnold as starting QB for the entire season.
@@JahWontPayTheBill ah yes the classic start off undefeated then lose to the Browns in the first round of the playoffs, hope the Steelers never realize this and continue to do things the way they have 😂
@@nicothenitro846 lol. Bud, you’ve been dog shit since the days of Marion motley and Jim brown. I’ve personally saw Pittsburgh win 2 chips and 4 AFC Championships. There is nothing you can say that’ll make me think any different. 😁 Hang onto that single win. It’s literally all you’ve ever had.
@@nicothenitro846 lol. Bud, you been a poverty franchise since the days of Jim Brown and Marion Motley. 😘 I’ve personally saw Pittsburgh win 2 chips and 4 AFC Championships. There’s literally nothing you can say that’ll make anybody think any differently. Hell, Art modell even ran away from your armpit of a city and fanbase and never looked back. Hang onto that single win. It’s literally all you’ve ever had to brag about. 🤣
It’s almost like letting the young guys sit and learn behind a veteran is beneficial to their career trajectories ,, even Tom and Arod sat behind someone
@@atg1338Peyton holds the record for the most interceptions thrown by a rookie If he was drafted this year, he would not be given the same chance to improve
@@QaysSyed did he start his first yr? Did he win a super bowl? Is he in the HOF? And you have no clue he wouldn't start if he came out now! Stop being so ignorant son. Funny how you pick one guy out of my list. You monday morning QBs are so ignorant and pathetic. You probably never played or coached at any level but you think you know everything.
I don’t think they were ever “washed up” just seriously underdeveloped, most of these situations these guys were thrown to the wolves to save a team in a horrible situation
I also think the bigger the market franchise that the QB was in the less people are willing to come off their priors. People still aren’t willing to say Geno is a good QB because he started in New York.
Geno has become one of my favorite players in the League, he has something like 10 game-winning drives in the last two years. Truly one of the most clutch qbs out there.
Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers all sat at least their rookie seasons. Very few QBs can start straight from college and usually those that do are physically gifted.
@@ColtonWhite-p3k yes and no, Bledsoe did get injured but if Brady wasn't playing well and losing games, best believe he would've been benched but he didn't and now the rest is history
Mayfield and Darnold are showcases on how, sometimes, its the ORGANIZATION that's the problem. No matter how much talent you try to accrue and try to "build" around them, if your organization is as bad as cleveland or carolina then its just all going to go downhill eventually. So happy to see Baker doing well, guy deserves it after being trashed out by Cleveland like that. Also good to see Darnold thriving too.
Maybe a blessing in disguise for McCarthy because he will not be rushed into the league and get destroyed. Many of the current top QBs were sitting behind a veteran for a few seasons before they get their starting jobs. It is very rare to have a QB ready to hit the field right away so you can hope that McCarthy can learn a few things behind Darnold.
After Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, I thought teams would have learned: you have to get at least some type of team around the QB first, not the other way around. If you do that, even Tim Tebow can have a good season.
The way the Falcons brought up Ryan needs to be taught in coaching classes. Ooo look a shiny new 1st round QB. RUN THE FUCKING BALL! He shouldn't be throwing 30+ times a game.
Unless you draft CJ Stroud, lol. Every team seems to bank on drafting the best rookie of all time and throw everyone under the bus when they aren't correct rather than just drafting a guy, letting him sit through another mediocre year before drafting him more weapons and having a fully ready sophomore QB and a real team
OMG. A QB GOES TO A GOOD ORGANIZATION WITH A COMPETENT ROSTER AND HAS SUCCESS? WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE NEXT ELWAY, BRADY, AND MANNING WHEN HE WAS DRAFTED
Darnold couldn't show anything with the Panthers because they had a desperate offensive line, injuries to the one or two catchers who were able to catch the ball, and even those were out due to injuries. He just wasn't lucky with the Panthers team. With the Vikings, it's a completely different cadre of catchers and runners.
The Darnold/McCarthy situation could play out just like Flacco with the Browns last year and them deciding to stick with Watson this year. Flacco is way older than Darnold though but if Darnold keeps this up all season I think you give Darnold at least one more year and JJ can develop more especially after being injured in his first full season.
Sam Darnold will be resigned to a similar deal with maybe like 25-30 mil instead of the 10 mil, and he’ll be the backup to JJ. I can tell you right now with 100% certainty that the only way Sam is our starter in 2025 is if he wins the super bowl with the vikings. You don’t take a guy like JJ in the first round, never give him a chance, and then ship him one year after he got drafted. that would be the worst possible decision
It's always amazing to me how franchises miss the fact that good coaching and a good line can make the difference between a bust and a successfully developing QB. Players running for their lives will never be able to learn
yeah, wish these youtubers wouldn't include any clips of him and his stupid takes. his job is to say whatever nonsense for the views, none of his takes or opinions are credible.
He definitely was the problem too. If he was truly the solution, he'd be there still. And he had some help in Year 3 and he did show flashes but it wasn't enough.
@@DrShwazzyou can’t say that when fields number 3 receiver from last year is considered a healthily scratch at best while the same o line caleb is currently dying in was scape goated all year blaming fields even tho as we see now it wasn’t just fields the bears failed Justin but I don’t think Justin would be playing like he is right now if he was on the bears tomlin and Arthur can actually coach
@@DrShwazz can’t wait for you to blame Caleb Williams with how bad the Bears still are. It’s a Bears problem, it doesn’t matter if prime Tom Brady is playing there right now. With how they are run and how lackluster their receivers and offensive line are, it doesn’t matter how good their quarterback is, they are gonna be bad.
@@onewayzxy597Fields isnt even playing well. Hes literally just being carried by a good defense again. Caleb in one game passed for more yard then Fields career high.
@@griffin8er845Rome Odunze just had over 100 yards and Cole Kmet just had 10 catches for right under a hundred yards as well. Chicago has people to catch the ball. The offensive line is just made of Swiss cheese. While the coaching once again is terrible. Fields were still there they'd be 0-3. He's just being carried by a good defense again.
I didn’t believe in Darnold like Cowherd did but I always wanted to see him succeed. Just when I would’ve assumed he’d be out of the league, I get the pleasant surprise of watching him play.
Mayfield took the Browns to the playoffs. He was never a bust, the Browns just decided to play him while he was injured, as poverty franchises tend to do.
Been very pleasantly surprised by Malik Willis the past couple of weeks. He's not asked to be a hero but he has simply got it done. I was really happy for him to get to go into Nashville and beat the Titans like that while mayonnaise man continues throwing touchdowns to the other team. Go Pack Go!
Lifelong Browns fan here. I defended Baker longer than any of my diehard Browns fan buddies but I had to accept the reality that he wasn’t the fit for the Browns anymore My theory is that Baker was NOT one of the boys. It seemed like he was insistent on being a lone wolf at QB and outsider with a chip on his shoulder when he had 4 years to develop the needed camaraderie with the core of the team. I hope he continues to do well but dammit I wish things would have gone better with him
As also a USC fan, I’m so proud of him right now! This is the Sam Darnold everyone was supposed to see six years ago. If they watched college football at all, they’d know.
We all know football is a team sport, but sometimes “we” (here meaning some fans and talk show hosts) act like only the QB matters. And they’ll even talk about two QBs playing each other like it’s a golf match going 1v1. Even though they’re never playing at the same time. Well if there was a golf match at one player had larger fairways and shorter holes and wins, does that mean he’s the better player, or won only due to having easier conditions? It’s probably the latter more than we think.
80% the coaches, 20% the player as far as I've ever seen. Teams only rebound from bad qb stretches when they liquidate the staff, then 'somehow' their qb woes are shortly thereafter solved.
It’s a simple reason as to why these guys aren’t doing good right off the hop. A lot of these guys were starters right from the get go. No time to actually learn the game at the NFL level. All of the greats sat behind someone their rookie year, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Steve young etc. As a Vikings fan, sign Darnold to a 2 year deal, allow J.J. To learn a little bit longer. Sam could just be having a Keenum kind of year. Caleb Williams will probably be the next one to add to this list.
Darnold may not be the next best thing in football, but as a Texans fan he hurt my soul yesterday lol and he’s got those Vikings looking pretty good this year. Kind of excited to see how they keep looking now
The thing with the Darnold situation is that Sam Darnold was always going to start before JJ McCarthy. If the season was doing bad then JJ would come in at like game 8. If you followed the Vikings training camp, JJ was creeping up to Darnold. JJ is the real deal too, and way way cheaper than Darnold. If JJ can play 80% like Darnold so far, that's a win.
The reason why many of these Qb's are going better is the fact that they got an owner who knows how to run a football team so brings in coaches who know what there doing.
darnold was never gonna be the backup. the plan was have mccarthy sit until they are certain he was ready and while mccarthy watches darnold was gonna play.
always amazing to hear these stories!
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Mayfield getting out of Cleveland was the best thing to ever happen to him
That and Baker matured as a QB.
And just one of the things on the laundry list of mistakes for the browns
I think Carolina humbled him, went to the Rams and balled out.
As a browns fan, he needed to be humbled and to mature. I think him bouncing from team to team and becoming a father has made him a different person. Happy for his success
@@G_54-GMGhe was already good
If Zack Wilson gets his redemption somehow, the jets should never ever draft a top qb prospect ever again
Same for Fields
He had the tools
Would be a crazy redemption if he pulls it off
The jets shot these qbs confidence
Zack wilson isn’t even good enough to be playing flag football with four year olds.
@@MoonayMultipliar His offensive line was 100x worse than chicagos lmao
@@saitotw6067 i meant his personal skill, im sorry for the confusion
That's why development of the QBs is more important than just drafting one and also BUILDING THE RIGHT TEAM AROUND THEM ALSO HELPS! Why is it so hard for teams to understand that?!
You don't understand. Every QB needs to put up 1984 Dan Marino numbers in their rookie season. Anything less, and they're trash.
Seems like only the packers can do it lol
@@bigmike9546 And the Chargers as well....
True but some of the blame still goes to these QB's too though, doesn't it? I mean if you have 3-4 years to prove yourself and fail - maybe its time to move on.
@napalmblaziken you're not wrong. They have no time for incompetence.
There will be a new draft next year. So you better play well or that senior in college is going to take your job.
Sam Darnold is proof that Adam Gase has no business being anywhere near any QB, ever.
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Help Flacco comeback atleast
I was about to say the same thing LOL. I have always had faith in Darnold, but his career was rookie year, 2 years under Gase, traded to Panthers where he played 2 years, and then traded to 49ers to sit under Purdy. This is the first year he's actually had a chance to succeed and I love it.
@@maxreboh3204 Helps when you have a good pass-blocking O-line, quality receivers (JJ, Hock and Addison) and an offensive coordinator who knows what he's doing. Dude always had the arm talent, now he has the weapons and coaching to become what he was drafted to be.
Ideal scenario would be to resign with the Vikes for 2 years and let McCarthy sit and learn.
Except for Jay Cutler. Bears fans were actually sad to see him go
I’m convinced that Minnesota gave Sam Darnold the cure for seeing ghosts.
Must have performed a Viking ritual to do that lol 😂
It was probably just when he was on the 49ers for Iike 2 weeks
No they just decided to give it to Leremy Tunsil last game...
Justin Jefferson?
The cure is Justin Jefferson. All he has to do is throw the ball and Jefferson is down there somewhere.
Nick Foles easily had the best redemption run in recent years
That’s what I’m saying and I’m a vikings fan I want McCarthy to be our franchise QB just because we have a really bad history with back ups 😂
@@Sheistyy10Christian Ponder, Bradford, Tarvaris Jackson and others just naming a few. Quite the pool of QBs in recent memory
Nick foles beating Brady in the super Brady by catching a touchdown was the best comeback. It wasn’t a full season but it was the biggest game
@@brettrossi034 the only great qb Minnesota ever had was fran tarkenton and you could argue joe kapp
@@Sheistyy10 culpepper and favre erasure???
I'll never forget Tannehill's linsanity run.
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He went crazy 2019
Man could he hand that ball off to Henry 😂
@@Fatjack1and he was DAMN good at it 😂 I mean of course he didn't rub any super powers off on Henry to carry that offense, but he did assist a bit
@@Fatjack1He threw for 33 TDs in 2020 and ran for 7, but go off, I guess.
_We might start looking at the 2018 NFL Draft as the Career Resurrection draft when it comes to QBs between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold._
Except Rosen
This makes me think of a weird future where 15 years from now Lamar loses his mobilty to an Achilles tear and turns into a Drew Brees style quick release passer and wins CPotY and Josh Allen comes out of retirement to finally get the Bills a ring.
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were already stars but what about Josh Rosen 😆
Allen didn’t break out until year 3 either. Playing quarterback in the nfl is not easy and teams are too quick to move on from a guy they thought had potential. Consistency in coaching is one of the most important factors in quarterback development.
Josh rosen hitting up teams after sam darnolds resurgance
McCarthy was never going to start for Vikings this season, they wanted to sit him a year, for Darnold sitting and learning San Francisco’s offense, learning how to put effort into the smallest of details helped him immensely. Vikings offense is very similar to 49ers. So it was a very nice transition. His arm, knowledge of the offense and having Justin Jefferson plus Brian Flores Defense… makes a very nice recipe.
Plus not being the scapegoat for an absolutely terrible Jets and Panthers team helps
But they’d have started him midseason very likely.
With him out and Sam having low expectations they’ve already surpassed expectations more or less and could be a playoff contender.
Kevin is a really good coach and get darrisaw in the pro bowl!
@@spidamitchell8311JJ wouldn't have been in at all with Darnold balling like this. JJ wasn't even a top 10 offensive player on that U of M squad, he was just there to make easy throws to a top receiver and give Corum a break.
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@@babayaga7434 brother is beyond salty 😭
More evidence that not every QB can or should be thrown out on the field his rookie year, people forget his first coach for multiple years was Adam Gase
Literally what I’m thinking with both Caleb Williams and Justin Fields. The Bears are literally throwing talent out the window with how they are handling their rookies given that Justin Fields is 3/3 with the Steelers when starting and Caleb Williams is literally looking like a bust.
@@griffin8er845it is entirely too early to declare Caleb a bust.
@@hellowhirled you entirely missed the point of the comment. I was one of the hardest “Justin Fields is not a bust he is on a bad team” proponents. I was proven right immediately when he began starting for the Steelers and has gone 3/3 with very solid QB ratings. Similarly Caleb Williams is on a bad team and he is beginning to look like a bust because, again, he is on a bad team. Once he gets out of Chicago (inevitably will happen because the organization is a heaping pile of garbage) he will flourish and play well. If you would’ve put the context together with the video, you would’ve seen that what I was saying is that the 5 really bad teams in the NFL (Bears, Browns, Titans, Panthers, Raiders) have pretty horrendous organizations that do not allow players to grow and flourish. That’s why teams like the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Vikings, the Packers, etc can be expected to be good no matter their starters -because they are just run better.
I also think the 2020/21 college seasons may have been hard on QB prospects as the weird covid schedules hindered development. Plus defenses have caught back up to NFL offenses, so being a rookie QB is going to be hard again if you're not CJ Stroud.
@@griffin8er845 you're right, i did misread your comment. i think i agree with you, i just don't feel comfortable judging anything like this so early in CW's career. i WILL say that he should start painting his nails orange for games. maybe he'll play better. who knows.
Surprised there was no mention of Andy Dalton here. It was one game but Cincy fans must be so happy he looked like his mid-2010s self last week
the video was probably edited before this past sunday. But as a panthers fan i agree. Andy Dalton is my hero
Did Dalton really need to be redeemed though? He had a solid career for the Bengals he’s just older now
he had a very solid career with the team he was drafted by
TCU legend! Beat JJ Watts Wisconsin in bowl game. Legend
@michaeljackson4967 how tf u say that when he references teams being 3-0 that didn't play on Thursday. Did u watch the video?
I feel like part of it is that worst teams get to draft these high talented QBs without any structure thinking it will save the franchise, it kills the development of the player because they can’t get better when they are constantly being brought down by the lack of talent and coaching.
We need to change how the entire draft works tbqh.
Bakers' SpongeBob game was some of the most enjoyable football I've ever watched. Mostly for Patrick trolling Russell Wilson.
Somehow he got swept by Patrick 3x in one year without facing him in the post season
@@ItSaBeastNerdI think they meant Patrick star from SpongeBob. But both Patrick’s swept Russell 😂
@@jamesdavis3340 That’s what I meant 😐
I’m so happy for Sam Darnold as a Jets fan and as a football fan in general. I’ve always been high on him since his USC days. It’s incredible to see how he’s been performing and how confident he is now. Same with Geno Smith these last couple seasons along with Justin Fields.
These casual football fans say that coaching does not matter at all and after 2020, I would say it matters very much. Same with teambuilding because I look at Patrick Mahomes and I look at Joe Burrow, as well as Jalen hurts and Lamar Jackson. Guess what those guys have in common? An organization that knows how to develop players, sign players, draft players, and good coaching.
The Jets have not have neither in the last decade, and as a matter of fact, I feel that the last two starting quarterbacks proceeded in error. Rogers did not have the talent that was needed to make the team better and the players. I remember Sam Darnold in his last season with the Jets and that team was so terrible. Anytime your weapons are Jamison Crowder, Breshard Perriman, Braxton Berrios, and Denzel Mims you’re not winning shit at all. That offensive line was absolutely fucking garbage and it’s a miracle we won any games at all that year. Now compare the 2020 Jets with the Chiefs and even the Colts, it’s like night and day.
The most important aspect of making a great QB will always be the situation he's in. If a QB is drafted to a bad situation, 99.99% he will be a "bust".
Except for JaMarcus Russel, he legitimately was just bad lmao
@@joedavis5824 Russell was going through a bunch of personal issues at the time
Yeah, without a decent o line everyone looks bad….
Should make a video on the different franchises who are viewed as “QB purgatory” and how that saying has some real life facts to back it.
The Browns and Jags come to mind.
Great video! Whenever I see these QBs having a comeback moment or reviving their careers, I feel like the media and fans are just too quick to judge. Any QB needs proper time and development, after all.
I gained mad respect for Jameis after his 30 turnover season when he was very forthcoming about his issues and saying he needed to go to QB school and back up Drew Brees. I think Jameis is a genuine dude that needs a coach to believe in him
He also is the greatest pregame hype man in the NFL.
Even if some of the shit he says is quite literally insane
Never thought Id see SAM MOTHER LOVING DARNOLD in the MVP conversation
If he wins an MVP before Josh Allen all hell will break lose
Yep
Fake News! the GEQBUS is the 6 TIME REIGNING MVP, and it's about time that our LAMESTREAM media recognizes his talents for what they are!!
He won’t don’t worry lol
@@buckyjames1898 THE LIBRHULES AND CRITICAL GASE THEORY HAS POISONED A GENERATION. SAD.
As of the time of my comment, Allen already has 3 TD passes in the MNF game and they're destroying Jacksonville. This could be Allen's year. And Buffalo might really being an afterthought.
Baker Mayfield is an example of a player who needed a change of scenery
3 times
Best one will ALWAYS be Jim Plunkett. If he had quit after being released by the 49ers, Plunkett would be a top 5 draft bust. Thankfully, he got his chance when the starter Dan Pastorini broke his leg in 1980. Gave him the chance to go out there and prove himself which he did. Won them the Super Bowl as a wildcard and then came off the bench again in 1983 and won his second Super Bowl. The sad thing he is the ONLY QB to NOT be in the hall of fame after winning 2 Super Bowls.
My favorite will always be rich Gannon reviving his career winning an mvp and Super Bowl at like 37 years old
To be fair, he's one of the more incidental Super Bowl winning quarterbacks of all time. HOF quarterbacks should be real difference-makers, and I don't think simply not losing games for that defense and Marcus Allen is enough.
@@samanteater I know it’s just my favorite one in my lifetime
Plunkett will never sniff the hall of fame his regular season performances and career stats are just way too bad
@@Kdizzzzz9999 I was talking about Plunkett, not Gannon (although I'm pretty sure Gannon never won the Super Bowl. He got there in '02 but lost to Tampa Bay.)
Just goes to show you sometimes it’s not the QB who’s the problem it’s the organization and system they was under.
Bryce Young is the exception.
Exactly
Outside the raiders game, I'm not so sure about that...@@georgelucas2571
That was a great hot take on Winston being good bc he’s been exceptional for the browns lately even tho I’m not a browns fan the future looks good for u guys with Winston
Baker made that browns team relevant.
This is why rookies should normally sit on the bench for a few seasons.
Exactly. Every Rookie isn’t gonna be CJ Stroud and ball tf out
At the very least a few games. Nearly every rookie QB has looked awful this year, put some of these dudes on the bench and give them some time
Falcons are doing that with Penix, and everyone trashed them for it.
@@georgelucas2571 Ehh, the problem with the Falcons pick is the guy they picked more than anything. They picked the second oldest QB in the league. Had they picked up McCarthy I'd be more comfortable with the pick. Also the glaring holes on the defensive side, even if they were saved by a last minute free agent and a trade
@@Zeffpenguin so now watch Drake Maye be by far the best out of all of them
Nah, nah you said Justin Fields has played 3 years in the NFL?!?!💀 Nah time really stopped after 2020. 😭😭😭
Ignorant
Good video but one thing I can't stress enough: O line makes all the difference. Most of these guys saw big improvements up front. It's hard for guys to develop and play their best if they're always under pressure
As an eagles fan I still sometimes go back and watch highlights of that guy Carson Wentz and he could flat out make some impossible plays. Obviously, there were impossible plays he didn't make too which is is reputation but the guy played like he was fearless and like he was far more athletic than he really was. And now he's in Kansas City. One of if not the best coached team in my opinion. I hope this guy gets another chance he was just so much fun to watch.
NFL needs more QBs who aren't afraid to go for the high risk/high reward plays, like Wentz or Favre. It makes the game fun.
Seeing all these casted off qb’s doing well honestly makes me so happy. Rooting for all these guys.
You’ve gotten the Vikings situation COMPLETELY wrong. Sam was brought in to be the starter, that’s why we paid him 10 million dollars. The plan was always to sit JJ McCarthy and give him a redshirt, JJ looked way better in camp than we thought he would but Sam was always named the starter. With JJ hurt though unfortunate, Sam doesn’t have pressure to perform though he’s doing great.
Came to say the same thing
Same. Darnold had way too much pressure on him with the Jets, and it wasn't all his fault. Poorly constructed team, bad coaching and crap front office. Now he's grown, less pressure and more relaxed.
What I said lol
You paid him ten million dollars?
@@Carl_McMelvin I think it was 10 million with 8.8 guaranteed
Great work, as always. Earlier, this month was the 30th anniversary of one of the most hyped and anticipated regular sesson games in NFL history.
Week 2 1994 at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City. 49ers at Chiefs. Student vs. Teacher. Young vs. Montana. It's not the greatest game ever by any means, but how we got there is the real story.
Seems like the same teams over and over ruin QBs, Jaguars, Jets, Browns... who else
Bears. And the Panthers ever since that new owner took over.
Broncos
Redskins
I love that even the guy making the announcement was shocked the Jets drafted Geno Smith.
Geno at WV was nasty, I’m so glad he’s doing well
JJ McCarthy is so young I think they should be fine with him sitting behind darnold for another year or two if darnold's play stays consistent.
Viking fans 😅
@@trustinrain5623 I’m actually a bears fan. Unfortunately lol
How about letting Sam play more then 3 game before putting him in the hof
@@atg1338 literally said “if darnolds play stays consistent” not “sam is a hof player”. Also he’s played a lot more than 3 games in his career, you know he’s not a rookie right?
@@rorybannon 3 games! Duh he's not a rookie....
It’s almost like surrounding a QB with a competent team and great coaches helps and allows them to reach their potential
Note that these drastic improvements usually happen when players move on from dumpster fire teams like Jets
Guess Wilson is next?
I fucking love the outro man been watching for years and it never gets old! Chills every time
Omg ... chills🤣🤣🤣🤣
Justin Jefferson makes his teammates better. He's wide open for Darnold every play, or he's taking 11 guys with him and getting Josh Oliver or Jalen Nailor open.
Nailor? I hardly know her!
He is Elite
wait until hockenson and addison come back
@@AndrewLeonard46 low intelligence.
Nah he was putting that deep ball on him in stride credit Darnold.
Trey Lance comes to mind.
Like Willis he didnt have a ton of experience in college, didnt play against a ton of FBS competition, but had lots of of raw talent.
If he had a chance to sit and learn the same system for several years, he might turn into something.
But Willis is a rare breed. In terms of athleticism and arm strength, hes on the level of a Michael Vick. Also had a 32 wonderlic score. He was just played way too soon, benched way too soon, and played for coaches who had little interest in developing and adapting to him. And that's foolish. If you judge a cheetah based on its ability to swim rather than its ability to do cheetah things, youll be disappointed with the results.
What u me a Willis didn’t face a ton of FBS talent? He went to Auburn for his first 2years and Liberty was in the FBS when he transfer over their in 19’
Trey lance barely has played including highschool. Should have not even been drafted
What🤣🤣 he had that chance in SF duh
This is why I never think anyone is truly a "bust", they are just playing in the wrong system.
Except for jamarcus russell
I think “bust” refers more to the players attitude than anything else.
Just look at the two biggest busts ever. Ryan Leaf and Jemarcus Russell.
Both had bad mindsets and let their bad qualities overwhelm their natural talent.
Another banger 😮💨🙏 appreciate all the hard work man !
Babe wake up, KTO posted
Sam Darnold was always going to be the starter come Week 1, but hopes were high for JJ Mccarthy to replace him once he was ready. Then he got injured, which pretty much cemented Darnold as starting QB for the entire season.
As a Browns fan, I am so happy to see Baker thrive elsewhere. Maybe it will finally prove to the Browns front office that he wasn't the problem.
As a Yinzer, I hope the Brownies never realize this and continue to do things the way they always have. 😊
@@JahWontPayTheBill ah yes the classic start off undefeated then lose to the Browns in the first round of the playoffs, hope the Steelers never realize this and continue to do things the way they have 😂
@@nicothenitro846 lol. Bud, you’ve been dog shit since the days of Marion motley and Jim brown.
I’ve personally saw Pittsburgh win 2 chips and 4 AFC Championships. There is nothing you can say that’ll make me think any different. 😁
Hang onto that single win. It’s literally all you’ve ever had.
@@nicothenitro846 lol. Bud, you been a poverty franchise since the days of Jim Brown and Marion Motley. 😘
I’ve personally saw Pittsburgh win 2 chips and 4 AFC Championships. There’s literally nothing you can say that’ll make anybody think any differently.
Hell, Art modell even ran away from your armpit of a city and fanbase and never looked back.
Hang onto that single win. It’s literally all you’ve ever had to brag about. 🤣
@@JahWontPayTheBill trust me I know the browns suck. But at least we’re not delusional like Steeler’s fans, you’re the Cowboys of the AFC North 😂
It’s almost like letting the young guys sit and learn behind a veteran is beneficial to their career trajectories ,, even Tom and Arod sat behind someone
Flacco,Russ, White,Allen,CJ,Big Ben,Stafford,Peyton,Marino, Tua, Dak to name a few.... stop being so ignorant son
@@atg1338Peyton holds the record for the most interceptions thrown by a rookie
If he was drafted this year, he would not be given the same chance to improve
@@QaysSyed did he start his first yr? Did he win a super bowl? Is he in the HOF? And you have no clue he wouldn't start if he came out now! Stop being so ignorant son. Funny how you pick one guy out of my list. You monday morning QBs are so ignorant and pathetic. You probably never played or coached at any level but you think you know everything.
I don’t think they were ever “washed up” just seriously underdeveloped, most of these situations these guys were thrown to the wolves to save a team in a horrible situation
I also think the bigger the market franchise that the QB was in the less people are willing to come off their priors. People still aren’t willing to say Geno is a good QB because he started in New York.
Geno has become one of my favorite players in the League, he has something like 10 game-winning drives in the last two years. Truly one of the most clutch qbs out there.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 geno clutch🤣🤣🤣 omg that's so comical.... he has 16 total in his career and that puts him at 90th all time🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah dudes great🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@atg1338 get out of here with that weak bait 😂
Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers all sat at least their rookie seasons. Very few QBs can start straight from college and usually those that do are physically gifted.
Tbf, Brady was never supposed to start anyways. Bledsoe got injured and the rest is history.
@@ColtonWhite-p3k yes and no, Bledsoe did get injured but if Brady wasn't playing well and losing games, best believe he would've been benched but he didn't and now the rest is history
Peyton,Big Ben, Josh Allen,Matt Stafford, Dak, Tua, Burrow,Carr,CJ,Herbert to name a few.... so sorry you are wrong about that....
@@atg1338 Just because they CAN doesn’t mean they SHOULD.
Let's not for get Flacco,White and Russ....
I love seeing a good story play itself out. I hate the trashing on these guys in the first place.
Mayfield and Darnold are showcases on how, sometimes, its the ORGANIZATION that's the problem.
No matter how much talent you try to accrue and try to "build" around them, if your organization is as bad as cleveland or carolina then its just all going to go downhill eventually.
So happy to see Baker doing well, guy deserves it after being trashed out by Cleveland like that. Also good to see Darnold thriving too.
Pickett could also have a revival if they decide to sit Hurts because of poor production
Kenny Pickett could for sure make a comeback. He's still young.
tbf, I feel like 2/3 of a QB's success is being drafted in the right situation esp if they were an early round pick. this vid showcases that fact.
Maybe a blessing in disguise for McCarthy because he will not be rushed into the league and get destroyed. Many of the current top QBs were sitting behind a veteran for a few seasons before they get their starting jobs. It is very rare to have a QB ready to hit the field right away so you can hope that McCarthy can learn a few things behind Darnold.
Allen,Burrow,Dak,Kyler, Tua, Lamer, Carr, CJ all started right way to names a few. So your wrong but whatever
I love your outros so much lol
After Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, I thought teams would have learned: you have to get at least some type of team around the QB first, not the other way around. If you do that, even Tim Tebow can have a good season.
The way the Falcons brought up Ryan needs to be taught in coaching classes. Ooo look a shiny new 1st round QB. RUN THE FUCKING BALL! He shouldn't be throwing 30+ times a game.
@@zaneseibert bingo. Michael the Burner Turner was awesome for those few years.
@@zaneseibertI know Bo Nix’s arm was dying for these last two games with 90+ attempts
Unless you draft CJ Stroud, lol. Every team seems to bank on drafting the best rookie of all time and throw everyone under the bus when they aren't correct rather than just drafting a guy, letting him sit through another mediocre year before drafting him more weapons and having a fully ready sophomore QB and a real team
@@Zeffpenguin indeed! You'd think after Alex Smith to Pat, it'd stick more as a trend.
Sam Darnold went from seeing ghosts to becoming a Ghostbuster.
OMG. A QB GOES TO A GOOD ORGANIZATION WITH A COMPETENT ROSTER AND HAS SUCCESS? WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE NEXT ELWAY, BRADY, AND MANNING WHEN HE WAS DRAFTED
Good coaches and system is all they need. Geno had Carroll, Mayfield with McVay, Darnold with Shanny
C’mon dude, Willis has played 2 games. 2 very pedestrian games, at that. That’s not even remotely close to consider him having redemption.
Agreed.
I think he more of added him because he just beat the titans. The team that drafted him, and he played really well against them.
Darnold couldn't show anything with the Panthers because they had a desperate offensive line, injuries to the one or two catchers who were able to catch the ball, and even those were out due to injuries. He just wasn't lucky with the Panthers team. With the Vikings, it's a completely different cadre of catchers and runners.
The Darnold/McCarthy situation could play out just like Flacco with the Browns last year and them deciding to stick with Watson this year. Flacco is way older than Darnold though but if Darnold keeps this up all season I think you give Darnold at least one more year and JJ can develop more especially after being injured in his first full season.
3 games! My god people 😠
@@atg1338 it’s all fun and games lol
It’s pretty interesting to see Darnold so far. I remember people getting on him when he was on the Jets for missing time do to Mononucleosis
Sam Darnold will be resigned to a similar deal with maybe like 25-30 mil instead of the 10 mil, and he’ll be the backup to JJ. I can tell you right now with 100% certainty that the only way Sam is our starter in 2025 is if he wins the super bowl with the vikings. You don’t take a guy like JJ in the first round, never give him a chance, and then ship him one year after he got drafted. that would be the worst possible decision
Mediocre QBs have always done well for the Vikings, even Josh Dobbs at some point looked like the real deal.
@@Zahrul3teddy bridgewater also comes to mind, the teddy two-glove run was crazy
It's always amazing to me how franchises miss the fact that good coaching and a good line can make the difference between a bust and a successfully developing QB. Players running for their lives will never be able to learn
This video is way too early. Only 3 games in
For Baker and Geno?
Nah Genos ballin
Just gotta give these guys time to develop
Stephen A Smith, what’s your NFL record? How many TD’s you threw? Exactly. None. God that man annoys me
yeah, wish these youtubers wouldn't include any clips of him and his stupid takes. his job is to say whatever nonsense for the views, none of his takes or opinions are credible.
Stephens's whole routine is just yelling and mocking Dallas fans. He doesn't bring much to the table.
my glorious king uploaded
Bears fans still gonna say Fields was the problem and not the factory of sadness that is the Chicago Bears lmao
He definitely was the problem too. If he was truly the solution, he'd be there still. And he had some help in Year 3 and he did show flashes but it wasn't enough.
@@DrShwazzyou can’t say that when fields number 3 receiver from last year is considered a healthily scratch at best while the same o line caleb is currently dying in was scape goated all year blaming fields even tho as we see now it wasn’t just fields the bears failed Justin but I don’t think Justin would be playing like he is right now if he was on the bears tomlin and Arthur can actually coach
@@DrShwazz can’t wait for you to blame Caleb Williams with how bad the Bears still are. It’s a Bears problem, it doesn’t matter if prime Tom Brady is playing there right now. With how they are run and how lackluster their receivers and offensive line are, it doesn’t matter how good their quarterback is, they are gonna be bad.
@@onewayzxy597Fields isnt even playing well. Hes literally just being carried by a good defense again. Caleb in one game passed for more yard then Fields career high.
@@griffin8er845Rome Odunze just had over 100 yards and Cole Kmet just had 10 catches for right under a hundred yards as well. Chicago has people to catch the ball. The offensive line is just made of Swiss cheese. While the coaching once again is terrible. Fields were still there they'd be 0-3. He's just being carried by a good defense again.
Glad to say I was never a Darnold doubter.
This goes to show that coaching plays a massive role in the success of a quarterback
What a nuanced take.
Well duh
Thanks captain
Love the current season content!
Andy dalton
I didn’t believe in Darnold like Cowherd did but I always wanted to see him succeed. Just when I would’ve assumed he’d be out of the league, I get the pleasant surprise of watching him play.
Sam Darnold is the only thing Colin Cowherd and I have ever agreed on.
Mayfield took the Browns to the playoffs. He was never a bust, the Browns just decided to play him while he was injured, as poverty franchises tend to do.
Been very pleasantly surprised by Malik Willis the past couple of weeks. He's not asked to be a hero but he has simply got it done. I was really happy for him to get to go into Nashville and beat the Titans like that while mayonnaise man continues throwing touchdowns to the other team. Go Pack Go!
Baker wasn't a bust lol the Browns just being stupid af
Dude just got beat by the WORST team in the NFL LOL, sit down you scrub.
4:08 is pure savagery and I'm here for it 😂
Great video, man!
Darnold was already going to be the starter even if JJ was healthy. Not sure how every sports media person gets this fact wrong.
We dont really know that. If JJ played well alot of football experts were saying he would start.
@@atg1338 Except we do. Football experts can say that but KOC said otherwise
@@Beranin he said it was an open qb competition
@@atg1338 Nope. Said Darnold was starting week 1, try again
@@Beranin duh.... because JJ got hurt and wasn't able to show what he could do. My god you are a 🤡
🗣️🔥🔥🔥”The kids can come out the basement! KTO Posted!” 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
Lifelong Browns fan here. I defended Baker longer than any of my diehard Browns fan buddies but I had to accept the reality that he wasn’t the fit for the Browns anymore
My theory is that Baker was NOT one of the boys. It seemed like he was insistent on being a lone wolf at QB and outsider with a chip on his shoulder when he had 4 years to develop the needed camaraderie with the core of the team.
I hope he continues to do well but dammit I wish things would have gone better with him
Tbh he was ostracized by the locker room. A lot of guys such as OBJ made the team turn on him
Several people in the locker room loved Baker. Nick Chubb still likes all of Baker’s Instagram pics.
Baker was our guy
He called the winston
I woulda took Justin Fields over Gardner Minshew 👎🏾
You’re not that smart are you.
@@mattyaboi1653 Says the person who said the Colts have more Super Bowl appearances than the Packers... Clearly you're not smart 😂
@@YoungLARaider when did I say that?
@@mattyaboi1653 on the Ranking Every NFL Teams Performance Since 2000, don't try to edit it now 😂
@@YoungLARaider Justin Fields has 518 yards for 2 touchdowns and 3 total turnovers but go off
As a USC fan and a Green Bay fan I hate seeing Sam at the the Vikings. That boy can PLAY!
As also a USC fan, I’m so proud of him right now! This is the Sam Darnold everyone was supposed to see six years ago. If they watched college football at all, they’d know.
This was a GREAT video!
Darnold, Mayfeild, dalton BALLING
We all know football is a team sport, but sometimes “we” (here meaning some fans and talk show hosts) act like only the QB matters. And they’ll even talk about two QBs playing each other like it’s a golf match going 1v1. Even though they’re never playing at the same time. Well if there was a golf match at one player had larger fairways and shorter holes and wins, does that mean he’s the better player, or won only due to having easier conditions? It’s probably the latter more than we think.
80% the coaches, 20% the player as far as I've ever seen. Teams only rebound from bad qb stretches when they liquidate the staff, then 'somehow' their qb woes are shortly thereafter solved.
It’s a simple reason as to why these guys aren’t doing good right off the hop. A lot of these guys were starters right from the get go. No time to actually learn the game at the NFL level. All of the greats sat behind someone their rookie year, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Steve young etc. As a Vikings fan, sign Darnold to a 2 year deal, allow J.J. To learn a little bit longer. Sam could just be having a Keenum kind of year. Caleb Williams will probably be the next one to add to this list.
Darnold may not be the next best thing in football, but as a Texans fan he hurt my soul yesterday lol and he’s got those Vikings looking pretty good this year. Kind of excited to see how they keep looking now
Sam Darnold wasn’t made the starter with McCarthys injury. He was always going to be the week 1 starter.
The thing with the Darnold situation is that Sam Darnold was always going to start before JJ McCarthy. If the season was doing bad then JJ would come in at like game 8. If you followed the Vikings training camp, JJ was creeping up to Darnold. JJ is the real deal too, and way way cheaper than Darnold. If JJ can play 80% like Darnold so far, that's a win.
Winston could ball out at any moment dude is a livewire and I love it
The reason why many of these Qb's are going better is the fact that they got an owner who knows how to run a football team so brings in coaches who know what there doing.
I’m a Dolphins fan and all that but I legit forgot about Josh Rosen. Total flash in the pan.
As a USC fan, I hate that guy. Especially because Sam was constantly being compared to him.
Good stuff, man
darnold was never gonna be the backup. the plan was have mccarthy sit until they are certain he was ready and while mccarthy watches darnold was gonna play.