Jonas Vingegaard SCARY Time Trial Performance in Tour de France 2023 Stage 16
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- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Tour de France 2023 Stage 16.
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He didn’t just smoke one guy who was close on GC, he smoked the entire field and the entire sport.
Let's hope this is all natural and not going to turn out how these things usually turn out.
Yes. So much so that it made Pogacar's 2020 ITT look almost believable.
@@MrFleischbrocken It reminds me on Floyd Landis' fantastic and epic stage, were he took back 3 or 4 minutes, sadly he then tested positive... but until then it was pretty much same song: "oh what a great performance..."
@@arnemadsen4556 Just pure viking genes molesting the peasants. SKÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅL
The consequences just has to be bigger. It's time to ban an entire country, if a rider of that nationality if found guilty of doping. Sorry but your country cannot compete for 5 years or whatever.
Lets hope he's clean. But when something sounds to good to be true, well, it usually is.
I see nobody talking about the top 10 by Pedersen. Really impressive for him
you are right impressive from Mads
Lanterne hyped him up in the podcast
Yeah that makes no sense. His compatriot Skjelmose as well. 4 Danes in the top 15. Not bad by a country having just a fourth the population of the New York metropolitan area.
Who?
🇩🇰
Respect the grind of LR of over 2 weeks of absolute banger highlight videos. GOAT 🐐
The only man working harder than Jonas or Pog is LR.
From the first 2 corners alone you knew Vingegaard wasn't messing around. And you could see a clear difference between his lines and the way he took his turns and Pogacar's all along the course. That plus the bike change was worth a lot of time already!
Agreed. He watched Podgacar go down the ramp steady, then pedalled hard on his own launch and already gained a second by the first corner.
Seconded. JV was more focused than he'd been on any other stage, plus you can see at the end that he'd made a bet with himself beforehand: "It's so short. You can max out the watts for that SHORT..!"
Michael Mørkøv said he met Jonas on recon, seeing him go back and forth to try many of the corners several times. He knew how to take every single corner.
Him and JV clearly did their homework on the stage
Every GC contender will have done the same thing. That's just preparation.
@@PilsburyDoughboyEsquire-lu9ijbut Jonas executed to perfection
@@PilsburyDoughboyEsquire-lu9ij Not sure, of course all of them prepare for the stage, but maybe just digitally or by the profile, but I don't think everyone rides even every single corner several times
But eaiser for People to say doping rather than doing look in how much pre work he did for this tt
This channel singlehandedly turned me into a cycling enthusiast, the passion you put into these recaps is really contagious. I was absolutely on the edge of my seat today, what an awesome TT!! can't wait to see if and how Poggy will try to retaliate!
Kind of same. Was already into cycling though. LR just catapulted my interest in pro cycling.
Same for me about 1 month ago I knew nothing about cycling
Poggy Will lose more time tomorrow proberly 2-3 mins if Jonas strikes about the last 7km Mark
@@esbentronstrm4154yea I am hoping for a crazy pogacar attack next stage but honestly think that your prediction is more realistic. Pog is tired and Ving just coming into form right now (meaning able to recover perfectly) just as planned with the best team in the world behind him... seems unstoppable
How do they even have the highlights rights to this though? How do the GCNs of this world allow this?
Jonas is an underrated descender imho: I looked very closely at the descents the peloton rode down during several mountain stages, and I noticed that throughout this Tour the Dane has been choosing good apex lines and he often got almost too close to the rider ahead of him, as a result of better turning trajectories (for example descending the Joux Plane with Pogacar).
Today in this TT he went flat out in the descent after the first côte, taking many risks that eventually payed him back
Exactly, you could see the difference already on the descent from Tourmalet, where Pog had to sprint out of the corner several times not to get dropped
I've been saying this since the TDF 2022. He doesn't use that ability because rarely do GC contenders need to close gaps in descents... but he is consistently showing great descending skills. But today we saw him tap out that daredevilness.
he was FLYING on those descents, I got more and more excited as the stage went on
An underrated descender?!? Everyone knows that he's one of the absolute best at it.
@@MrJohanGuzman I'm thinking this skill could be useful in the future, especially in single day races like the Giro di Lombardia, if Vingo wants to take part in it this year again
these two guys display such good sportsmanship. It is refreshing.
Yes it is refreshing. I've been following the TDF since 2006 and these two are just a cut above. We are fortunate to witness it all.
Yeah its pretty nice how respectful they both are, it's a shame all the fans have to ruin it like usual.
Jonas rode this to literal perfection. He also maintained an extremely good aero position pretty much all the way.
TJV and Jonas clearly did their homework here. It looked like he'd done the route 100 times before.
One of the absolute best TT's ever.
100 pct. agreed.
Jonas was doped to the max. I hope they will get him soon.
@@tongobong1 They will get Evenepoel and Pogacar before Vingegaard
@@tongobong1Not until he retired, so they won't lose money
Lance Armstrong would have been smoked
huge Tadej fan, but how can you not love Jonas he comes off so humble
That’s classy 🙏
People obsessed with their craft don’t care about anything but being good
Just watched highlights from TDF 2021 TT stage 5.
Noticed that back then, Jonas finished 3rd, faster than both Roglic and Van Aert, and almost same time as Stefan Küng who was a TT monster back then. Only beaten for real by Pogacar who won the stage. And not a mountain TT as in 2023 but an almost flat route of 27 km!
So all the comments about Jonas "suddenly" performing at TT compared to earlier are not in line with reality. He´s always been a very strong TT rider but has obviously improved even further during 2022 and 2023.
Very true but not only that, pogacar has never won over Jonas in a third week TT. Only in prologues or 1rst week TTs in TDF he is 3 out of 3 better time 2021,2022,2023 in the third weeks TT. Last year he also had the win of the TT was it not for the fact he gifted the victory to van aert. He was up in time on van aert but sat up and celebrated the last 2 ks. Loosing him about 20 - 25 seconds in time checks vs van aert. it was the last stage of tdf and he had then won it. But again fairly flat TT and long, but with some hills.
The real thing is people have slept since 2021 on how good this guy is maybe due to his humble nature and never bragging, + his team having this team PR that its the team that does everything team work etc. Which is somewhat true but really also false. As you only need half decent riders to win a TDF when you have the best rider.Only in 2023 are people waking up, some still believe pogacar to be stronger but it was just his wrist injury.
Id rather say it was pogacar who was somewhat lucky in 2021, that both Jonas and roglic crashed that stage pogacar won 5 minutes on that early stage in tdf 2021. As Jonas caught up in time and never lost time for the rest of the race.
During Vingegaards celebration, Mads Pedersen told Vingegaard to not be so humble and the he could see how much planning, training and effort Jumbo Visma had put into this TT
If you compare Jonas with the other riders, he attacked every corner, every round about like he was being chased by hungry cannibals.. He didn't change bikes and he rode the course SEVERAL times while Pogi made backflips in the pool. He did bet his life on that stage and he showed unheard technical skills. He didn't change bikes and kept his momentum.
The other riders did so many mistakes that it was crazy.
Jonas was not only the strongest, the most technical, but also the smartest
Jonas was doped to the max. You can't beat all of them by so much unless you are doped - it is just not possible.
@@tongobong1 Just like Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Der Poel, Yates etc.
@@HolgerDanske874Pogacar is clean. I know him personally. He is neighbour of my father.
@@tongobong1 LOL! Jonas is doped, but the guy racing up mountains faster than Vingegaard is not? You're clueless! My dog's puppy had her own puppy and Vingegaard's cousin's best friend bought it. I know Vingegaard is clean.
@@HolgerDanske874 I really know Pogačar. Jonas is clearly doped. Just look at his face.
Really proud of my boy Sepp Kuss 🇺🇸 he's not typically a good time trialer...he even said he really doesn't like the TT bike...but finished 14th on the stage, just 3:40 behind Jonas.
He's still top 6 on GC and I'm hoping he can climb his way into the top 5 (pun intended)
Obviously Jonas was the big story and rightly so...but Sepp we see you bro!
Up the Jumbo Visma boys 🌕🌑🌕
Agreed Kuss is doing great
Sepp rode really well especially coming off that crash caused by the stupid spectator. He will be called upon to help protect Vin's lead in the upcoming mtn stages. Allez Sepp!
I agree! Sepp is a class act after that run in with a fan, he really works very hard and give his all for his team! Plus what a cool name..
Yes!! More Sepp love!!! Go Sepp!!!!
The Durango Kid
Vingegaard's default position seemed to look a lot more aero than other riders especially in the curvature of his back in relation to his helmet, and as he rode seemed to maintain that very aggressive aero position for much longer than a lot of the other riders. In a lot of spots where other riders let up and got a little more upright, he stayed down and powered through.
That performance from Jonas was out of this world. Pog looked absolutely crushed towards the end of the TT when he realised that he would lose badly against Jonas. Jonas on the other hand looked so relaxed during the interview at the end knowing he won the TdF with that stage...
Still a way to go, but he is well on his way.
nothing more out of this world than Pogs tt in 2020...
@@barbarap9452this one was more out of this world that 2020 TT
@@barbarap9452I think this was much more impressive than Pog in the 2020tt
@@nielshaug30 i dont see any difference, in 2020 Pog smashed all others by almost a minute and a half... and he never won tt before that... and even now his superb performances in tt are only on tdf... even today his performance was as alien like as it was from Jonas... look the time diff. between Pog and Wout... and wout is one of the best in the world in tt constantly...
History was made. He didnt just beat Pogacar, he was twice as fast as the guy who already was 4 times faster than everybody else. Its insane how good Pogacar's TT was and then seeing Vinguegaard taking time in every single corner
I was there in person. I was telling the guys next to me that we were witnessing history. No one wanted to believe Jonas' performance. It was an incredible experience. 🎩👏🚀
As good as Lance back then...
"Just on another level" 😂
incredible is the word
@@onepunchbud1472 cry
U cycling fans are so strange. You KNOW that they are cheating yet you guys still celebrate these performances as if they were done legitimately :D I also watch this sport (from time to time) but no matter what they do it doesnt impress me at all, not even a bit. When i was a child and watched Lance i was like "this is UNBELIEVABLE, this is not normal, unhuman, he is so much better than everyone else" blabla. Yeah, later i found out that it actually was unbelieavale but in a different sense....
@@onepunchbud1472Hahaha du bist doch dieser Pogacar Fanboy, du willst es einfach nicht wahrhaben
Did we just witness Jonas revolutionize ITT? He took the corners like madman.
Roglic's final ITT performance in the Giro, was insane as well compared to Tadej smoking him in 2020. We also saw similar performances in the last TDF TT with Jonas able to green the rest of the field behind Wout and Tadej before he slowed down. So believable on more ends than just one or two outliers.
I'd personally say the main decider came down to weight though. I'd say Tadej was right on changing the bike for weight reasons but Jonas' overall system weight is so much less so even if he doesn't have the power he could still have a higher W/kg rating. Granted, there was other stuff like the aero losses due to bike change but Jonas still takes it regardless of time gap. And Wout Van Aert in third is well. . . Wout, no-one else has the performance to go after 2 weeks of racing, we saw the same top 3 in Stages 18 and 20 in last year's TDF.
I predicted Jonas just needed one huge time gap and defend the rest and well I think we found out which stage that was on.
Jonas already took 5 seconds just going through the first two turns 😂 his steering was out of this world! So much difference in body language between him and Tadej.
That TT for Vinegaard was unreal. On any other day, we'd be praising Pogacar for a great performance but he was in a class of 1 today.
Yes it was un real. That is the problem.
Take Pog out of the conversation for a second and it is obvious Vinn is not clean. WOUT WITH THE SAME EVERYTHING lost by three minutes. Worst TT loss of his entire life.
It was clear Vingo was preserving a lot of energy on earlier stages..probably letting Pogi think he is too strong and burning himself for 6-7 seconds on multiple stages...exactly like last year. There are no truly great climbers at this year's tour..carapaz and mas abandoned early, roglic not here, the rest are just not good enough. Pogacar simply was outmatched.
@@dylangrantz8124 Wout isn't exactly built for climbing. The ITT had 2 climbs. Bilbao was 4th for christ sake.
@@HolgerDanske874 really? Not a fan are you?
first Bilbao has held the Spanish national Champs jersey.. He is an accomplished TT rider. Has always been good. Has made gradually become better at it.
Now Jonas on the other has sucked big hairy sweaty balls as a TT guy finished TT placing in the hundreds just a few years back. Never held the national Champs jersey in fact finished 22nd on his try.
You picked the wrong guy and the perfect example of how riders make gains in cycling unlike Jonas has.
Thanks
At first I thought this was unbelievable, and I still think this is an outrageous performance by Jonas, where everything just went perfect for him, but I also think that it is explainable the more you think about it:
The dare-devil decent: +20sec (confirmed by time check)
Jonas probably keeping his powder drier during the first two weeks and fully concentrating on the TT probably adds another 10sec. on the flat
No bike change: +20sec
JV keeping it aero on the climb while Pog visibly struggling, getting out of the saddle, swinging and (admitted himself in the post-race interview) not feeling to good on the climb: +40sec
And having the time trial bike at the flatter end: 8sec
(Obviously I didn't check every part of the stage and time difference, so just a rough guess)
So I'd say it adds up pretty logically and it's at the most 50% pure physical performance that made the difference.
And the performance enhancing drugs he's on
Yeah, I think it adds up too.
A lot of people comparing Jonas and Wouts times, just ridiculous, Wout has been absolutely booting it for 2 weeks on every stage and weighs 18kg more than Jonas....thats gonna have huge implications on a mountain TT.
Jonas' descent was pretty scary if im honest, he absolutely railed it and looked like he was pushing too hard several times...no surprising he took a lot of time there.
Pog looked visibly uncomfortable and pretty tired too. Also noticed on the start Pog has a cold sore...such things can be a sign of things not being 100% internally. Also worth mentioning Jonas apparently has the second largest V02 Max recorded.....97 at 17 years old... and he's only 60kg. Dude is gonna kill this kind of TT every single time.
@@chrisdawson955 If Pogacar did the same ride you would cheer and celebrate. All the Pogacar fanboys are so sad. Enjoy the ride and don't insinuate doping when you have no proves. He did an amazing ride. Period! Was he using illegal drugs? Was Pogacar using illegal drugs in 2020 when he gained 1.56 seconds on Roclig? Come on man - how would you know and how can you tell? Just because you don't like the outcome then please stop being a sore loser. It does not fit you. You can do better. Enjoy the race and shut up with this bullshit. They are all incredible athletes and Vingegaard has done well in the last three TT's once they were well into the tour. I like Vingegaard but I also admire Pogacar and Van Aert and many of the other riders. I love when they go full gas and wipe out eachother. What a tour. And maybe Pogacar will come back tomorrow? Who knows. Don't be a sore loser.
Off course it doesn’t add up. It’s preposterous. You probably thought Armstrong and Pantani were legit.
These are valid points, but what is even more unbelievable to me is the size of the gap to every other rider, apart from Pog. WvA's time was 109% of Jonas' time. He lost 7 seconds per KM. And he was THIRD. That just seems so absurd to me.
Pogacar just did the best TT he has ever done and lost 1 minute and 38 seconds. Crazy
How we do know that Pogacar did his best! Laurent Fignon did ride 52,2km hour pace final stage in 1989 and Fignon was 3th place that time trial! Fignon did not collapse he was Best form his life!! Lemond and Vinwgaard was better that not means others collapse!!
@@RaineriHakkarainen stfu bro this isn't tour of Finland
Well done jonas , Good luck Pogacar in the coming stages
i guess years :-) if it goes like this
@@mochno1 Jonas been dominant since he dropped pogacar in 21 as a fuckin domestique 2nd place tour ahha not even close in 3 week races.
The gap of almost 2 mins is simply too big to make up for tomorrow. It would take a crash or mech failure from Vingegaard for Pogi to win back what he lost today. Unless Vingegaard has a total off day tomorrow and Pogačar rises like a phoenix. Personally, i think Vingegaard will further extend his lead in the mountains. Hell, not even a mech failure costs that much time. Swap bikes and go. Takes 30 seconds maybe.
You are expressing exactly what I am thinking. I believe what makes this time most impossible for pogacar to make up is the strength of jumbo visma as a general team. It never seemed that any of the UAE domestiques were able to keep up. Still theres some hope left with 5k climbing in one stage! (And vingegaard being tired from the tt I hope)
@@usecode___7453 I thought of this stage as the one when Jonas will drop Tadej, there's this 28km long climb with a section up to 28% steep!
As a Pogi fan boy I must say Chapeau Vingegooooooo!
I just enjoy having two leaders who are both nice guys! That ride was legendary from Jonas.
He said to Danish TV that he didn't believe his Watt calculator on his bike, so much power had he
There are literally thousands of bicycle racers. Riding at the World Tour level is an incredible selection, but then to see what Vingegaard does at the pinnacle of that group today is astounding.
Whenever I finish working I will just refresh your channel uploads until you’ve posted the latest stage analysis. Great work and love the fact that you are allowed to use ASO content this year :)
i am not surpriced - Vingegaard would have won the time trial last year, but he gave the win to Wout Van Aert. Vingegaard is a phenomena on a mountain time trial
Also he is on the juice
@@ginocasale1142 if you had something to base your claim on, you would be relevant
Fantastic time trial, one of the most exciting I've seen on TdF. Really wanted WVA to win this, but such an amazing performance from Jonas from the moment he left the starting blocks. Now desperately hoping WVA can win one of the last few stages 🤞
On Dutch tv there was an interview with A guy at Jumbo Visma who explained how they tackled this TT from the start of march, with over 30 people at JV that work on perfecting their riders performances this TT. They decided all the way in march they wouldnt do a bike-change for instance, and they have so many analists that almost work like a formula1 team in terms of performance-bettering. Tadej had A great day, Jonas had A super day, but as far as I see it, the biggest difference was the team and the preperation. At JV they make cycling, and especially something they have controle over like A TT, into A science. The difference in money, the millions that Pogacar makes more than Jonas, goes into the team at JV, with this kind of stages as A result.
Can you do a side by side comparison of Jonas' vs Pog's TT using ASO footage? it'd be cool to see exactly where Jonas gained on Pog.
From now on we can say Vingegaard is the best Tour de France GC cyclist and Pogacar is the best all season road cyclist.
I've been saying that all along but I'm glad that people are finally agreeing with me.
I mean yeah Vingo prepares for the Tour exclusively while Pogi races left and right all season
Exactly
So true. Both riders are absolutely brillant.
@@user-vt4hd8hb4v would be interesting to see Pogacar of he only focused on the Tour. On the other hand I love to watch him perform in the classics as well.
Should have added the part of the interview where Vingegaard said he thought his powermeter was broken since the numbers were too high while he was "holding back"
Jonas was a beast today. Really showed he’s the best of the best this year. I hope he keeps the momentum through to these last stages.
so happy for jonas
3 Danes, Vingegaard . Skjelmose - Pedersen, in top 10 on a TdF time trial is insane!
Danes have got form juicing mind, so perhaps not so insane.
More like Riis, Rasmussen and Vingegaard
@@mikegeary9231 You know these guys gets tested all the time, right? Nothing out of the ordinary for them and if you didn't know, in Denmark there's been a big stink about getting the sport clean, so they know that if they did take anything, they would lose everything.
@@metodpolak8091 Se my reply to your troll-mate...
@@dippegalant and you think riders of yesteryear weren't tested all the time? Testers are and have always been playing catch up. Time will tell I suppose but I won't be surprised if any of these riders get pinged in the years to come.
That was a great TT by Jonas...Amazing to win by that much...Congratulations..
This is impossible to make such difference without 💉💉 . 3min on WVA and 1m30 on pogi with a TT of 22km. What a joke…🤡
@@clement1234yep - the medical department did a bit too much.
It's a fuking joke on roughly 30min stage. And Pogi already was on another level but Jonas... 😂😂😂
Sure mate, sure... Better don't get caught.
@@clement1234 I can't figure it out why there are so many salty Pog fans. Tadej is a superbe athlete and he knows very well both how to win and how to lose, I don't think he would ever accused his rivals, he has class.
I also would to bet that if Tadej was the one to win with such a lead, y'all be screaming about how talented he is...
@@clement1234 cry
@@onepunchbud1472 copium on full display... I like it
Two stages back for Pogi to fight back. However Jonas looks too strong - and good for him and cycling in general. We need this rivalry between UAI and Jumbo, and I just love that Jonas is so humble and lets the legs speak for him😊
True, hopefully it stays that way. JV Has announced it stops sponsoring in 2024. Hopefully the team and their high performance level stays intact after that.😊
Just an absolutely incredible performance by Vingegaard
I heard that Jonas did trial runs on this stage all morning, testing the same corners and turns several times, to get them just perfect. He was well prepared for this stage, and it really turns out the preparation was well spent.
What do you mean all morning? Like the day of the race he was there?
@@usecode___7453 Yup. Primoz did the same on the last TT of the Giro.
Pog did too, just doesn’t have EPO too
Nahh, cut your EPO bullshit, you must have not seen how extremely dangerous he rode, he is prepared. Wout could also win this tt if hed not exausted himself in the previous stages.
The corners are just marginal gains, he still had to go full on thermonuclear to beat Pog who himself smoked the rest of the peloton
In % terms, this arguably is the single most dominant performance by an athlete in any sport ever. He was 5% better than pogacar and 10% better than the next best field. At this level, that's unheard of - essentially 3x the margin peak Usain bolt had over his competition
Exactly
Its all about those great downhill sections bro
It's actually not even the most dominant TT in Tour history, Anquetil was >6% better than the rest of the riders on a TT in the 1961 Tour.
I also came to this conclusion, wondered why it isn’t in the media. I mean, being 5% faster on a short TT on this level is just insane, especially knowing Jonas is less punchy than Pog. But these differences really bring up the old doping discussion again…
@@19loek94 You literally have to go back to the early 60s to find the same kind of domination, a time when doping really wasn't very effective. In all the most doped up years of the sport the dominance of a single rider was never so significant, probably because doping more than anything levels the field and removes some of the edge those with massive talents have. So I think this more than anything indicates the peloton in general is cleaner than it has been for many years.
That was the ride of a true champion. We'll be talking about this stage for years.
Yep after the tests come back we will
i just hope for the right reasons but history tells us it wont be
love the sportsmanship. Inspiring
I was thinking the same thing, jonas is going too fast before the climb like remco's second tt satge of this year's giro. And i expected tadej will take few seconds back at the climb. But it was absolutely wrong! The performance of jonas today was outstanding and Overwhelming. So shocked. Just unbelievable...
A critical remark: Vinge didn't take much time at all on the flat part, from 1st to 2nd timecheck he took most of the time on the downhill. You can go back and check, a couple of kilometers before the 2nd timecheck they showed that Vinge was 30s ahead like he was at the timecheck. Vinge however said that he took it a little bit "easier" on the flat part before the climb, but maybe Pog did that also. Pog lost time on the climbs, in the technical corners and on the downhill.
He was 2 seconds faster thru the first turn of the TT.
@@stevenmeyer9674then tell your favorite rider Pog to learn how to take a corner with speed
@@frederikbrandt424 My favorite rider? Are you talking to me? I like both riders but am rooting for JV.
@@stevenmeyer9674 Seen people using that argument against JV and saying he’s cheating because that apparently shouldn’t be possible. So just assumed you were another Pog fan like the rest. My bad if you meant something else.
@@frederikbrandt424 I was trying to comment on JV's bike handling and aggressive riding thru that first hairy turn, i guess I didn't make myself clear. No biggie. it's been a great tour and am looking forward to tomorrow's stage.
Congrats Vingo, fantastic job:)
As a Dane I was resigned to the fact that Pogi almost certainly would be too strong today. When the first indicator came that Jonas Vingegaard was smoking Pogi, I just didn't believe it. "That can't be right" I thought. And then it just got wilder and wilder from then on.
What an epic battle those two have given us this year.
Same for me (as a dane), i was so hesitant about todays stage. And hoped that JV would at least be on par with TP. But JV was just unbelievable.
Nothing less than a dominant performance by Jonas-he didn’t just beat Pogacar (and most probably cement winning this year’s Tour), he SMOKED the entire field! But ANYTHING can happen, and there’s still some tough climbing left. Great Tour.
Excellent resumé and explaining, thank you👍
Vingegaard was aiming for 360watts, but he kicked 380watts. In the climb, vingegaard said he was doing 380+ watts, so he was pedaling about 6.6 watts per kilo on a time trial bike.... The last ones to reach such values were Armstrong, Pantani...
When Armstrong dropped everyone on the first climb in 1999 everyone in cycling knew the doping era was not behind them after the Festina affair. I fear that Vingegaard's TT performance will be looked back on the same way.
6.6 w/kg is nothing special for a 60 kg rider.
Insane performance. So insane that it unavoidably brings back the doubts and shadow of the past.
I’ll choose to ignore it.
Crazy battle! What a wonderful looser Pog shows to be, amazing character.
Grande Vingegaard, what a deserved champion!
...but you didn't because you brought it up...
watch the sport without bringing back the past and ask yourself how.
you see for me there was only ever 2 riders that actually drove today and that is vingegaard and pog trying to get a few seconds on eachother therefore they gave it all they had but pogi was clear affected by the hot weather + bike change + not taking the same risks vingegaard did.
the reason i only said 2 is because the tdf has been tough this year from day 1 and we have a big mountain stage tomorrow and another one soon and noone of the 155 other riders is even close to gc so lets be honest they didnt even try today they saved their energy.
Mads Pedersen and skjelmose also said this themselves.
^facts
@@MrKaare60not facts at all you berk .. you don’t think Yates is trying to podium?
@@baldyslapnut. it says “I will” that’s future tense bro ;)
@@MrKaare60 you never watched TdF before?
I had a feeling vingegaard was getting a better and better in this tour compared to pogacar. Going in to today I tought they would be roughly equal, this is crazy!!
i also had that feeling just the body language
I also had the feeling he was holding back on a few stages. Like he had the power to attack but didn't want to take any risks, putting all his chips on the TT.
He wasnt getting better and better.
He just did an armstrong..rest day fresh bag of blood...
@@karl8805agreed. Clearly some fresh blood.
I had the feeling on Sunday (Stage 15) that Jonas could have taken a few seconds on Tadej. He was saving something... But, 1:38 on an uphill TT finish? One for the ages.
i had the feeling on Stage 15
Fantastic summary of this remarkable time trial stage 😊👍.
Thank you very much.
Great fricking job Jonas 🎉👏
Remember back in the day when Contador's Saxo-Tinko team caught everyone napping in the crosswinds and basically Team time trialled to the end... UAE need a performance akin to that tomorrow to bring back a gap like that.
Very excited for today’s stage as well… what a incredible hard tour so far.
Jonas is a force of nature. He is utterly on fire and is great in the mountains so unless he has some huge issue or a total collapse its all over. Pog will still fight like hell though so looking forward to the battles in the mountains.
Lets gooo Jonas! Amazing perfromance!
This TT was a work of art by Jonas. Absolute masterful riding! 💪❤️
and VOUT is just nobody in cycling, right? it's easy to put 10% on himmm
This has been a wild ride. Very enjoyable Tour so far, but nothing compares to your commentary. Crazy numbers on today's TT.
Gracias for your excellent analysis!!
What a performance! Can’t help to feel a bit sad that the Tour is over, and in a TT at that.
And about the PEDs
The gap between 10 and 3 is 40 seconds. The gap between Jonas and Wout is over 4 times that gap. What a performance
Jonas had this TT and now the Tour in the bag. The IV bag.
Just an out of this world ride
JBV really learned from the Tour that got away and they have really drilled these TT stages now. Beasts🤪
This reminds me of Cadel Evans back in 2011. People were wondering how much time he would lose to the Schlecks, instead he comes out and nearly wins the whole TT and claims yellow on the last competitive stage of the tour. Amazing performance from a GC rider who wanted to win more than anyone else.
Excellent storytelling here Lantern, loved how you revealed the time checks bewtween Jonas & Pog! Also great vocab slipping in the 'resplendit' into the vid casually.
very well said,LR
thanks a lot
more power to you guys
Vingegaard is a different man from last year. So much more power and confidence in himself, and what sportsmanship between these two. Bitter rivals on the bikes and friendly off the bikes. Truly world class gentleman.
An ineffable combination of aerobic power and anaerobic capacity has led Vingegaard to the performance that all cycling fans will remember for a long time
Bla bla bla😊
@@user-rj4kh7dm4u An ineffable combination of pedaling the pedals faster than other people has led Vingegaard to the performance that all cycling fans will remember for a long time 🤓
Lol
Well I also remember the crazy solo of Floyd Landis. Doesn't have to be a good sign, if a performance leaves you totally stunned.
I must congratulate you on your use of the word ineffable. It’s only common use in modern English is in theology when it’s used to describe the divine and we certainly saw that today from Jonas as you note.
Fantastic Recap!
Thanks for showing us that the barriers in the first corner were moved after the crashes - great attention to details.
Jonas' quads look absolutely monstrous in his thin frame. His body language was also so aggressive. Tadej look amateurish and tired in comparison, which is crazy because tadej also obliterated everyone else!
Seems like the heat really affected Pogi today - found it weird he didn't have an ice bag considering he's struggled with the heat before. The first few meters and the first turn from Jonas was a perfect indication of what was to come. The way he attacked the turns and corners was pure perfection, and his performance today overshadows what an amazing tt it was from Pogi. Pogi outclassing WVA is an incredible achievement considering the stage, but Jonas with probably one of the best tt of all time. 3 Danes in top 10 is also a great accomplishment. Looking forward to the next few days where Pogi has to risk it all.
The heat affected him so badly that he crushed one of the best time triallists in the world, putting a minute and a half into him on a short course. The problem here is not that Pogacar had an off day, it is that Vingegaard’s performance made Armstrong and Pantani look clean.
@@charlesmarshall8046 yeah same can be said about Pog lol
@@charlesmarshall8046 Just pure viking genes molesting the peasants. SKÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅL
@@charlesmarshall8046 So we are just gonna be oblivious to all the stages before today? So you are telling me that Jonas, acted weaker on the last couple of stages to not get "caught". You know the top 3 gets tested afterwards right?
@@jacoblarsen7347 he didn't act weaker, what were you watching
LOVED this race !
Ohhh Yeah..! 👏👏💪💪🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰 Go, Vingegaard 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰
Incredible ride by Vingegaard. Still a few more mountains to come, but hard to see where Pogacar can pull back time. One thing we can count on is that Pog will try, so it will be a good week of racing.
Mind blowing. Nobody was expecting this. Great ride from both of them, but obviously Jonas just killed it.
Obviously. Or smoked it or injected it or whatever he does.
Jonas = Amazing.
So so good!!!
Wow.
What a time trial.
Fire works stage for sure! Jonas was on another level!
As I said before this stage , my heart was with pogačar but reason was with vingegaard.
Vingegaard has been real confortable and exudes a calm confidence that is already messing with pogačar's mind.
The only good thing about this result, is that it will take the pressure off pogačar and it's absolutely gloves off for tomorrow, that will break the tactical side of things which will be great for the show.
With pogačar now with nothing to lose, maybe it will suit him better, but it's not looking good for him at the moment.
What an incredible performance from vingegaard, absolutely insane.
I knew he was going to be in good shape, but to take a minute from pogi and two minutes from wout, was brutal to say the least.
Unless Jonas is injured or has several bad days I'd say the tour is over. A single bad day is unlikely to result in losing 90 seconds, not impossible but not likely. Honestly, I thought Tadej was going to smoke Jonas today and take Yellow but that did not happen. These two are way above everyone else!
I'm hoping the opposite of what happened last year happens.
Yessir. As much as Pog likes to race it seems he's playing too conservative this year. Don't think he'll be coming back.
Impressive stuff
I have seen his time trail so many times I stopped counting, it was so impressive, awesome to see.
And btw. presenter, there were 2 minutes between the GC contenders not 3 :).
Jonas's ribcage is very large for his size and very aerodynamic!
are you joking?
@@1randomk Either way, I think he is not wrong.
… and he got the better „juice“. Go Lance! 😉
@@just__mike All of them dope.
This is a battle for the history books. We're so lucky to be seeing this. Vive Le Tour!!
Great recap! Still two tough mountain stages if Tadej has anything left. He did say he was looking to peak in the third week. We shall see!
Tadej had a brilliant TT, he smashed the entire field. Then Jonas comes along and obliterates Tadej...so insane. Jonas beat Wouts time by 2 min 51 seconds, what a beast.
An incredible performance, I believe that everyone
is amazed. Go JV...
@@RobertTarmac He probably is amazed
@@RobertTarmac😭😭😭
You should have said unbelievable cuz he is juiced. That victory is just like Floyd Landis
@@dylangrantz8124 Jonas didn't crack/bonk the day before and then win, that is what Landis did and then he got busted. Completely different.
Vingo might as well have been Miguel Indurain in a 60km TT in the 90s. Absolutely ridiculous 😂😂😂
Depending the terrain, I think a certain Pirate would smoke him in an all climbing time trail.. different times.
Unbelievable is the word. Because it is Vinn beat Wout by three minutes. That is the problem same tech same rig same food same everything. He handed wout the worst TT drubbing of his life in a short TT. He is dirty he beat wout by the same amount Induran beat people in a third the distance.
A ITT in the third week of the TdF is not a great representation of ITT skills in general. It's all about restitution and stamina at that point and Vingegaard clearly is the rider that is recovering best after mountain stages, which is why he's in yellow.
If the ITT was in the first week and mostly flat, WVA would most likely have won.
@@gurushen99 Be ready to hear it's still 'clearly bs' because he has the greatest lead on number 2 since the 1967's of something....
At least they will stop claiming Pogy is 'clearly' also on the good stuff after today...
Or they will say he 'clearly' forgot to take his injection this morning
Truth is, biometric passport has not made cheating impossible, but even if you're on something they don't test for they will still see you're 'off' and will take you out of competition until you can explain.
Lance wouldn't have made it into his first tour, let alone get away for years because the tests weren't showing he was on any known substances.
“Resplendent” - love it, not a word in my vocabulary.
To take all that time this far into the tour must have crushed pod , That was a tour winning ride 🧨🧨🔥
Numbers don't lie. This is the most significant margin in TdF ITT history. Indurain 1992 got 3:00 over 65 km, and now it's 1:38 in 22.4 km. With a simple linear extrapolation, Indurain should beat any competition by almost 5 minutes to match this performance. Congrats on the superb result but questions can be asked in the near future.
Numbers don't lie he got Wout with the exact same tech by three fucking minutes in 22.4 or just shy of 14 miles. He is not clean. It is obvious. As obvious as Floyd Landis was.
Indurian was by all chance not clean, we know he beat guys who later admitted they where using EPO etc. when we know they didn’t have neither the science, technology, training, diet etc. of today, this is unlikely to been achieved any other way then doing doping. Also the physical characteristics of the riders back then was different. Induraun is an almost mountain compared to Jonas over 10kg heavier, rode a much heavier bike and still got those numbers - put two and two together! The same with Armstrong these where physically impossible as climbers, weight and size simply speak completely against it. Both Jonas and Tadej are about 10kg lighter and still these blokes achieve those numbers… yeah they where all heavily on doping as also been proved. Indurain was just never caught with other then Salbutamol and he always was a slippery eel on the question
You gotta be pretty clueless if you looking at old times as your reference.. Pogacar been taking one rekord after thw other the last 4 years. vs older records and simply because the materiel, and the dieting and the knowledge is miles ahead.
stop looking for conspiracies like some n'ttcase..
@@JAKOB1977 haha, Team Sky marginal gains you are talking about? Where are their gains now? I made no comment about Pogacar but sure- he destroyed the field in this ITT but Jonas beat Pog by even the bigger margin. The data points are real - they both are total outliers which is extremely suspicious. I don't buy technology advantage - the peleton itself is much faster because of it. What kind of technical edge gives you 5% margin over any competition? 😁
@@maciejzieniewicz4301 Doping is not giving you 5%, because you be busted today if you used anything like that. Why we went from EPO to blod doping, to micro doping, and most often stimulants etc. it’s 1-2% gain doping today might give you and we went from plus 80% using it to an expected 10-30% in professional sports. This is much lower then the effective gain of 5-10% in the past. There legal stuff that also results in a similar 1%, something we know Jonas ain’t using. But many using it are actually often not top riders, but riders on lower ranked team with less funds and to
Keep up some of these might resolve to doping. The top athletes are less likely because of they get to lose the most, run on teams who are far in front, who test their riders more and there legal stuff they are fully allowed to use that result in similar gain.
Im still speechless hours after the race..... I have never seen anything like this..... crazy performance, who would have thought, really enjoyed the minimal gap on GC but now its looking almost over, unless UAE pulls something crazy tommorrow or on stage 20. we all know pogi wont give up until the end, so excited for the days to come :)
Same here. I really question my emotions right now. One moment that maybe compares for me is a memory from 2002. i was 6 at that time and was rooting for Germany in the FIFA World Cup Final. I couldnt watch the game so my parents told me afterwards that Germany had lost. Bam. Somehow I couldnt believe it.
UAE and tactics... 😂 Have you seen the roof of Jumbos car and the roof of UAEs car? One has filled the roof for aero purposes and the other carries only 3 bikes, one spare tt bike and one spare road bike 😂 Jumbo knows what theyre doing, UAE just throws money around and hope for the best 🤦
Ultra Termo Nuclear TT from Vingegard holy molly never ever would expect this not like Pog had terrible day he did good TT
I ahve been a rogla fan but it is too hard to hate pog. Always the first man to congratulate.
Perfect run by Vingegaard, he did take a lot of risks but he definitely studied the route and knew how to ride it to perfection. He did take a lot of risks though.