Spyderco Police and Military (why I stopped carrying them)
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"my finger always goes fully in the hole"
hearing this out of context changes the category
ahahahahaa
The spyderco backlog knives are one hand open and close if you do it right. Put your index finger near the pivot and let the blade fall into your finger with the non sharpened piece. Then close. It works better with their knives that have the forward finger choil.
I close my native one-handed all the time and have more trust in the safety of the backlock.
I used to be a tip up fan until I started really thinking about it. Tip up is in proper opening position if you stick your whole mitt in your pocket to pull it out sure, but I just grab the top of the knife . . So carrying tip down means the stud or hole is ready next to my thumb to open in one smooth motion as I draw it out.
Pepper spot on brother.
Exactly!
I agree, tip down is the best way to carry a knife (I know it is not for all knives)
Black Rain I think Peppers point was that it depends on how you grab the knife. And the knife itself. Not so much that A is better than B.
It varies from knife to knife. On larger knives, tip down is more practical. Because when they are tip up, when you grab it, your hand is all the way down at the bottom. Then you gotta readjust your grip to get your thumb up to the business end. I had my eyes on a microtech socom, but held off for years, thinking I would hate tip down. I kept thinking “ok, this year they’ll make a tip up version”. Finally I just bought one, and love that it’s tip down. Smaller knives, or wave opening knives (obviously) are nice tip up
Tip up. Doesn't require rotating the knife before deployment.
If done correctly you don't rotate it, tip up is prone to fumble...
Tip down, so you don't slice your hand open if the blade decides to leave it's home.
I identify as bi-tipual.
lol awesome
Me too... all depends on the ergos and pocket interference
Military for life, I have had it since I was 19 years old and I just turned 30. I carried it religiously for like 8 years, dropped it off a 2 story parking garage. I even saved a dudes hand from a ratchet strap situation gone wrong. It was also my primary defensive tool over a gun when I had to go to San Francisco. Love it forever. I WILL NEVER STRAY IN MY HEART THOUGH I MAY CARRY OTHER KNIVES lol
Depends on the knife, but I carry every way even loose in the pocket and back pocket next to my wallet. It really depends on the knife and it’s intended use.
If your knife open inside your pocket and you reach inside your pocket tip down is safer. All you end up doing is contacting the spine of the blade and closing the knife.
I just so happened to stumble across your video while binge watching spiderco videos & let me tell you the relationship between you and who I'm assuming is your wife is absolutely lovely man! I can tell just from this one 16 minute video that y'all are each other's puzzle pieces it really seems y'all were cut for one another. You also gave great insight and I'm glad to see you're still keeping it in the family with many other spidercos definetly a sub!
thanks Eric!
Been watching for years, we all need a wife like Frankie 😊
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I've carried a Military for over a decade off and on. I also have a PM2 with a tip up. I can draw and deploy the Military faster than the PM2 just because I'm used to it. An update with an Axis or compression lock would be awesome though.
Hey bro I got good news for you!
@@fg63-6 I just saw this week!!! Time to piss off my girlfriend with another knife purchase.
I have the same camo military. One of my favorite food prep knives and the coating still looks awesome. Only gripe is the tip down and the tip is fragile for hard use.
I'm actually gravitating to back lock blades lately, Manix 2 back lock, Cold Steel SR1, and I have no problem opening and closing with one hand. The only locks I really like anymore besides the back lock, are the compression lock and the liner.
i think larger knives are good for tip down. but i really dont carry anything with longer than 3.3in blade anymore
There is that saying: "If it no longer brings you joy, then let it go" I've been looking at a lot of the stuff I've collected the last few years and that saying reverberates for me.
What's wrong with tip down, some people like missionary style.
Having it tip up and out facing is going full Nelson.
I like tip up until the knife gets larger like the millie and my thumb doesn't reach the ghumb hole when I grab it, like the millie and Endura, then I prefer tip down. I carry the Delica and Para 2 the most.
I've carried tip down for YEARS.
that said, my Griptilian 551 and 940 Osborne are forever stuck in tip up...
I studied Ton-Jutsu and so I do factor the defensive tool option when I carry a knife, but also ease factor. The knife that really set me in stone for tip down carry is my Kershaw Blur. The way that it is setup, I carry it in my rear right pocket and can draw it rapidly, in a usable grip with rapid ease. The Benchmade 940 was my first tip up knife and it took some practice to get used to that setup in my front pocket. Now I can do it, and I've practiced it, but I don't like it the way I do tip down. All of the comments about comfort or reaching into the pocket for other stuff, I can't say much because I always remove the knife before going for other things. Safety wise, I've never had a blade come open tip down. That said I have a scar and several trousers with destroyed pockets from tip up and blades swinging open... it's a real thing and not fun to deal with.
That's all I've got.
I like your free-form videos. The lack of structure is more like having an actual conversation on knives with friends.
Cozy and comfortable. Love your channel!
we really appreciate that Anthony, thanks for the feedback!
Six years on and the Police 4 Lightweight is getting a sprint run and the Military 2 finally arrived. Meanwhile, the Endura and smaller models desperately need a redesign to get the forward choil design you only get with the Police, and Para/Military models....and oddly the Byrd lineup.
I gave a Military to my son-n-law when he deployed! He brought it back all safe, but somewhat used. But for me, a P3 is the perfect size.
I personally like tip up, but tip down was originally intended for big knives, so your thumb is closer to the opening mechanism (for ex. the spydie hole), because it takes more time on a big knife, if it is tip up to reach the thumb hole. Peace
The Police is an amazing knife. It is definitely a one-handed knife if you know what you're doing, and it's very confidence-inspiring. The SS models are only like 8mm or 1/3" thick and disappear in a pocket, yet open into a full-sized and very capable knife. Perfect for people unable to legally carry firearms, and it even goes well with a suit. I've recently gotten a Police 4 FRN, as it has less weight and more grip, but a Police is my constant companion, and it has never let me down. There's a good reason why they have been produced in virtually identical form for almost 40 years. Highly recommended. I always pair my Spyderco knives with MXG Gear deep-carry pocket clips, for the best possible comfort and concealment.
Tip up, due to high volume wave carry, no beef with back-locks, I wave modded a Cold Steel Pro-Lite and love it as Mn winter edc since 4116 Krupp behaves like a budget H1
Thanks for the video guys. I agree, the Endura does kinda make those obsolete.
yep, thank you for watching!
As a kid my first quality knife was a kershaw leek that I saved up 50$ and Bought from Walmart. I was so proud of that thing and used it for years until finally the tip broke. I always carried that tip down cause that’s the way it came and I didn’t know swapping it was even a thing. When the tip broke I started looking for something knew. That’s when the spyderco tenacious came along and in the videos everybody had swapped the clip so I gave it a try and since that I will not buy and know that can’t be swapped to tip up. Something in the way i grab it out of the pocket feel right. And I cannot carry tip down anymore...
Depends on the pocket I'm carrying it in and the deployment of the knife.
In general tip up works for me
My second ganzo was the ganzomilitary. I was so stoked about it back then.
Right hand Tip up....thanks Birds. Have a great weekend
My son prefers to carry tip-down.
(It makes me feel like a failure as a parent.)
ha!!
That must be really disappointing for a father. I‘m sorry for you, friend. :/
Hey Guys, I have the PM 2 and for my hand and finger configuration, I use the pocket clip in the “tip up” position to help me grip the knife for better spidey flicking.
Back in 2009 my first EDC knife was the Gerber swagger (TDO) I think I carried it for about a year before I got another Gerber that was tip up. Ever since then I only carry tip up as I find the deployment is way easier and just over all feels better, especially when the pocket clip isn't digging into your hand. That's a big factor before I buy a knife and I tend to turn down knives that would otherwise be great. Anyways I love your videos and hope to see you guys again soon. Stay sharp
Great channel! Subscribed!
You guys are very funny. Regarding your question: both tip up and down. I carry the knife the way it came.
That's why I sent the link for the thumb stud. All knives with that can be one handed open
Tip down is great for back right pocket carry. That being said, I carry tip up about 80% of the time.
I just listened the screws a little to use my compression lock for one-handed opening and closing.
Late to the party, but I prefer tip down, except for flippers. Having the opener on the other end of the knife when I pull it out of my pocket just makes no sense to me.
Tip up. Back locks are one handers if they're in the middle. They just don't flick too well.
I love it every time you say you're going to edit that out you normally don't! Great video
If you spydie flick for deployment, tip down carry allows for faster deployment. You're ready to flick it open as soon as it leaves your pocket without needing to adjust. This alone keeps me carrying tip down. If I can't spydie flick a certain model (most flippers), I seem to prefer tip up. But I am truly fine with either and don't understand how this is a deal breaker for so many people.
good info, thanks!
Endura 4. Half serration.. 👍 it goes really good with my taurus GX4 and My Gshock watch.. all together is a Sweet EDC set up ..
Tip up
I prefer tip up, but don't really mind tip down. I just make sure to carry tip down in my left pocket. Don't like the blade side on the inside if you know what I mean.
yep, understood
Your surprise should be there Monday
it's a habit that your finger goes fully in the hole 😆
I would only carry a lockback tip down. If a knife were to open in the pocket in tip up position the pocket seam keeps it closed, and I only trust a lockback to stay closed. If it's a small lockback I'll still carry tip up because I don't have to readjust grip as if it were large, where I can see tip down is better since as you pull it out you just grab it so your thumb is by the hole/thumb stud .
Fair arguments for tip down and lockbacks!
Tip up is great and all but if for some odd reason (say if in a scuffle for your life) that blade opens a little in your pocket your hand is chopped suey.
...carry the Mil.4.....with thumb and forefinger withdrawal, requires 'minor' hand adjustment(movement) vs. tip up; for proper opening and hold.. (faster , correct positioning, especially with gloved hand)....no need for walking up the handle for correct hold...have a great evening...happy Birthday ! ....
thank you!
Just bought a military today always been a tip up guy but til down is okay ill get use to it
All I can say is, I had a knife come open in my pocket when carrying it tip up. I cut my finger reaching in to grab my keys. But more power to you. It’s all about preference and what is comfortable for you.
Yep. It happens when knives get worn a bit.
I love my Military, PM2, Delica and my full serrated Endura that I won for top qualifier at the range! I EDC all of them, just depends on my mood for the day which one I carry. Now I want a new Police 4 Lightweight. Love your videos you guys! Tip down, tip up, I like both...
Carry them ALL at the same time! My younger Brother doesn't call me Richie 5 knive's for nothing......
After hearing the Apache Knive philosophy, about having as many blades available on you (just as long as they don't interfere with each other, obviously) so that in the heat of the moment where ever you put your hand, there's a blade.
I carry the Identical Manix 2 in the left pocket, and ususlly a COld Steel Hold Out in XHP steel, or Spartan in BD1. I have Broken Skull that i carry in the Jacket or vest. Then i will also pack a Spyderco Pygmy Warrior knife on the belt, or Enuff Serrated, or Perrin Street Bowie in scout carry.
Then i Use the Domino i have, exactly the same as his, as a nice money clip.
The Paramilitary 3 will fond its way in there as well.
I really like that Military model,......
I dont mind tip down all that much (Ken onion kershaws tended to be designed with that in mind back in the day and I loved them) but after a few mishaps I will no longer carry a knife tip down with the blade facing into the pocket (tip down right side, I guess).
Tip up is obviously the most natural way to draw and open without a lot of fiddling, but I dont use my knives in high stress situations so it's really not a big deal in my opinion. Hell, I've been throwing a couple traditionals in leather slips into the lineup these days and I haven't yet found myself thinking "man I wish I could have gotten that out a couple seconds faster"
Lady: "They're big"...
she must have one of the tiniest hands I ever seen: the military seems an Espada or even bigger, whilst when I hold it there's just enough space to accomodate my for fingers.
0:06 why did I feel like he was about to go postal or something for a split second😂
Tip down probably gains favor especially with newbies, because of some articles written that tip down can avoid slicing oneself on a blade that even partially opens in the pocket. Same articles strongly advise make sure the knife clips in pocket so that the blade would open towards the outer pocket seam (on the inside of the pocket of course...duh!).
thank you Moshe!
I don't know whether my knives are tip up, or tip down. What I do notice about these knives is there are lanyard holes on the clip side. I have a user military that I really like to carry.
As a rule I prefer tip down. The reason being I am anything but tactical, I catch fish and I drink beer. It's more natural for me to pinch the top of the handle between my thumb and index finger on the pivot and pull. I've got a pretty large hand, so grabbing a knife handle in my pocket doesn't really happen. The only exception is my PM2. The top of the knife is too wide for me to reach in my pocket in tip down configuration.
I am obsessed with carrying my Delica 4 with tip down. Idk what it is but I’m in the minority😂.
Resilience is a great portable kitchen knife for food prep. A police 4 in a compression lock would be awesome!
Channeling the good old days when gangsta rap was all the rage:
“Tips up, hoes down!”
Tip up except the Kershaw Leek. Leek sticks out of pocket too much tip up. I need to get an aftermarket deep carry clip to fix the issue.
heard this complaint before, yep
I love how everyone so far has voted tip up...
Well, you didn't post a poll, so... I prefer tip up, but carry one particular knife tip down because of the clip configuration and the way it fits my pocket. I have to say though, when I was much, much younger, I prefered tip in... just saying 🙄
If you'll look at the video again Bubba. You will see an "i" in the upper right hand corner. Click on it, and the Poll will come up for you.
I just bought one and love it. tip up doesn't bother me even though I prefer tip up.
Tip down in the waistband. Tip up in the right pocket.
I do feel honored
I like tip down. Not many do. I like spiderco , but I like my hand on the hole when I pull it out. I use the spider drop alot too.
Blades We Love does great stuff. I was hoping to see you go 1 handed on the compression lock. As a southpaw I've been sad that Spyderco has gone from ambidextrous designs to a lock mechanism clearly designed for right handers on their latest models. That’s why the Manix is the last great classic Spyderco for me.
slidetek partially why I like benchmade a tiny bit more, lefty friendly. There IS a lefty pm2 but there's no custom scales for it really
I'm not a lefty but I have no problem closing my pm2 with my left hand one handed using my thumb and letting the choil land on my index finger, like closing a lockback
ive come to understand that in the knife world collectors have there go too brands i do as
well so there’s 3 kinds of ppl amongst them either your a Benchmade guy / gal a Spyderco guy/gal a Zt guy/gal or your everybody else ..... thats wrong !
I stopped caring my military because the liner lock failed on me multiple times, only to be replaced by another military that was just as bad or worse.
What were the conditions in which the failure occurred?
I am a detective and the Police 4 K390 is my badass EDC knife. It retired my Benchmade 940 Osborne Kulgera.
Used to only carry tip-down growing up (Cheap Knives like Tac-Force), finally paid a good amount of money for tip up (First was a Kershaw Launch), never will carry tip-up again. I get a better grip and I find it easier to pull the knife out of the pocket.
Tip up, especially with Spyderco's. The blade is just so intrusive in the pocket tip down. My pinky finger gets stuck on the spydy hole ramp.
Tip down is all well and good till you have a knife with a bad detent and it opens a little in your pocket and stabs you in the thigh.
I’ve had that happen twice, once with an older al mar and once with an older Spyderco military.
With tip up it puts the spine agains the back seam of your pocket. Just a little extra safety margin.
And its easier to deploy
Been carrying a Millie for 15 years and never had that happen..no problems whatsoever..sounds like Operator Error..
@@DarkSim77 Thats what I mean.
no difference tip down you have to rotate, tip up you have to slide the knife in your palm to reach thumb stud. on bigger blades better tip down, on smaller tip-up also all depends on muscle memory and hand size.
Send the green one across the pond to Patty !
Thomas Osteen Patty is short for Patricia lol you mean Paddy 😉
I definitely prefer tip down however in the name of consistency I go tip up on all my knives. I absolutely love Cold Steel and they do only tip up.
Hello, I would like to know if you are still selling any of your gorgeous Spyderco’s?
I powder coated my aluminum 940, but I love my knife works exclusive 940 G10 and cpm20sv steel
I used to be kind of a Spyderco guy long ago, but apparently I use my folders fairly hard. I’ve been through a handful of liners and lockbacks (lots of up/down play)... now it’s all about Cold Steel with the triad lock for carry and use. My spydies just chill on/in my dresser. Also, I fidget all my blades 😬, even the Rajah II I can play with one hand.
So why you stop carrying them?
Great video!!! Thanks guys
Tip up or tip down depending on the knife. If it has a flipper definitely tip down, otherwise tip up.
Useless lanyard holes? Unless you pull it out first.
Tip do we n carry is ideal for the large folders like the Police3
fair enough, thanks for watching Marlon!
military on lock ... is it titan ? and other side of liner stainless ?
I think i prefer tip up it's evolved over the years because my first spyderco police was tip down only. And have a very happy birthday bird mine is tomorrow!
awesome, Have a happy birthday Sunday!
Just bought the Resilience an love this thing, I know its a cheapie, but don't tell it, lol it is a great size, an very comfortable in hand. Love it.
The first "real" pocket knife I bought was the CRKT M-16 and the version that I have is ONLY tip down. So I guess I just got used to carrying my knife that way. It bugs me now when a knife is only tip up!
Reached in my pocket one day and the knife I had on me had opened up, I had it tip up, so it was very scary to jam my fingers into the blades edge, luckily I wasn’t sliced up to bad, but since then I always preferred tip down carry.
Just did that this last week with my Ganzo 51... Which has a REAL nasty tip. Stabbed thumb something fierce.
I prefer tip up carry but have tried tip down and had issues with partial opening 2 pairs of pants with holes cut out the front of the pocket and a nasty finger cut now i carry tip down only knives in a belt pouch also i have an original endura clipit that came with a plastic clip that is one piece with the scale (broken off of course )and the blade is simply marked Japan so it is the original G2 (gingano 2 )steel which seems about like 14c28n for edge holding -20 bucks at a gun show -cheers have a great Friday night
not a bad deal! thanks GC
I bought a used millie and was wondering if yours here somehow made it to me, but the digicamo markings are unique to each one!
I find tip up easier to open, but I find tip down to be overall safer since I have had knives especially some of the looser detent knives i own to sneak open in my pocket tip up.
The Police is just a larger version of the Endura. Both can be closed 1-handed tho.
Tip up always.
Every girl I have known, liked it tip up, so I don’t have a choice. Tip up with the national anthem playing. Thanks, Tony
Tony Patey "soft off I prefer", said no woman ever!
I prefer tip up but it’s not a deal breaker
I operate mid backlocks one handed at work all the time...
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Tip down you can grab by hole flick open hand slide to handle
Yeah slide to blade and cut fingers off lol, I meant slide to handle go goodness sake
My carry is endura it is less of a threat if the police po stops you with a threatening blade they might beat on you so I'm careful what I carry.