The Fearsome Indian Knife (Katar) that dominated Indian Warfare

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  • The katar was one of the most popular types of dagger used in India. A type of punch, or push dagger, it was a common sidearm and often worn with the sword. Here we look at its use and history.
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  • @steezydan8543
    @steezydan8543 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    Voldo has entered the chat

    • @TimmyTurner421
      @TimmyTurner421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Soul Calibur 😍😍😍

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Fun fact: Voldo is from Palermo, Sicily.

    • @RevanAlaire
      @RevanAlaire 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Been playing too much Baldur's Gate 3, so I initially read your comment as "Volo" and was very confused.

    • @jmell458
      @jmell458 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I remember when I found the Katar in Elden Ring, I immediately wrote a message
      "Visions of strange sort,
      All the more,
      Let there be victory"
      With the "What do you want?" emote

    • @scottmacgregor3444
      @scottmacgregor3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      **creepy ballgag/gas mask thing noises**

  • @anantasheshanaga3666
    @anantasheshanaga3666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    It likely originated in the Vijayanagara empire in South India. Kalaripayattu practitioners still train with a form of Katar.

    • @ronitdhanphole
      @ronitdhanphole 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I have seen sculptures from 10-12th Century (which predates Vijaynagar empire) with Katars, pretty much all over India.

    • @anantasheshanaga3666
      @anantasheshanaga3666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@ronitdhanphole Interesting. Sounds like it goes back to the classical era.

    • @theghosthero6173
      @theghosthero6173 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@ronitdhanpholedo you have a way I could find these sculptures?

    • @ronitdhanphole
      @ronitdhanphole 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@theghosthero6173 Sorry but I have seen them in museums all over India. Can't remember which ones specifically.
      However there is an article 'How Old is the Katar by Jens Nordlunde' where you'll find some details.

    • @baap2517
      @baap2517 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ronitdhanpholewhat r u on about there's one in the museum of nampally assembly area I saw it my self

  • @Tactical_Turtwig
    @Tactical_Turtwig 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    I'm a former massage therapist and I've always wanted to make a massage tool based on a katar. That handle design type would do wonders I feel 🤔

    • @jamielondon6436
      @jamielondon6436 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Good idea, but maybe change the blade tip somewhat. ;-)

    • @motagrad2836
      @motagrad2836 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Roller instead of a blade?
      Knobby roller?

    • @Tactical_Turtwig
      @Tactical_Turtwig 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@motagrad2836 i was hoping I could make it swap out but if not even a flat but not too thin piece of stainless steel would be a massive wrist saver :3

    • @torianholt2752
      @torianholt2752 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m sure your patients will feel wonders as well…for better or worse 😊

    • @vedymin1
      @vedymin1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ribbed for your pleasure x)

  • @auribusteneolupum2977
    @auribusteneolupum2977 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    My mother (Brahmin of Karnataka - formerly Mysore - line of South india) taught me martial arts as a kid, which I confused with being a "dumb dance" routine and largely ignored through most of my life until I learned Shaolin Gongfu from my ex-g/f's brother (who is an ordained Shaolin Fighting Monk, was featured on an old Discovery Channel documentary on the Shaolin Temple).
    There is a specific type of fist in which the thumb is placed between the index and middle finger and held by the ring and pinky fingers. Its usage as my mother would show me as a child, is very reminiscent of how a Katar would be used to strike vital points (marmas).
    That being said, I've a greater appreciation in the more recent phase of my life (my 30's - 40's) for what my mother taught me and as a spoiled 'murican, ignored, thinking it was an inferior discipline in comparison to things like Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai/Lethwei, etc.
    My first ever "love at first sight" encounters as a child was cutting my finger on an exceptionally sharp Talwar we had hanging on our living room wall. I was so small that I had to use a kiddy stool to climb atop a chair, before climbing atop the frame of the chair to reach the sword. Did I ever get a scolding (and a beating!) over my misadventure! :D
    It was a truly beautiful sword, a green velvet-like fabric covered the scabbard, ornate carving on the hilt and the knubby-looking guard (? It did not have a proper guard but a knob-like bit before the blade extruded), and small inlaid gems on parts of the scabbard upon gold/brass ornamental decorations.
    Felt a bit like the ol' Arthurian tales of a young Arthur coming upon the Sword in the Stone. That feeling of awe has always stuck by me 42 years later!

  • @JanetStarChild
    @JanetStarChild 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I must confess, the game *Diablo II* is what helped me discover the katar through the Assassin character; and I've been fascinated with the weapon ever since.

    • @turblijura
      @turblijura 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same here.

  • @Berengier817
    @Berengier817 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    So was at my mother in law last week. My nephew, brother in law son, was playing with Ninja Turtle toys from 1990.
    I totally forgot the toys came with a bunch of extra "weapons" like throwing stars.
    My nephew held up one and asked me what it was. It was a Katar. I was like "OMG that's where i saw them" cause i always thought rhey were awesome and knew they were familiar.
    So basically i liked these for over 30 years

    • @torianholt2752
      @torianholt2752 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I remember that😂, those “extra” weapons were all brown, right?

    • @GUNNER67akaKelt
      @GUNNER67akaKelt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hehe, I became more familiar with katars after playing Diablo 2 (or maybe 1?). I knew of their existence before that but just enough to know what it was.

    • @Berengier817
      @Berengier817 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@torianholt2752 yes they were

    • @CSGraves
      @CSGraves 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Memory unlocked! I think it was easy to forget about the extras since they weren't the individual turtles' signature weapons.

    • @loganfong2911
      @loganfong2911 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      omg I googled "ninja turtles katar" and saw my long forgotten childhood toy!

  • @pensmith
    @pensmith 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    From what I've stumbled upon for Katar trivia...
    Is that they were used in tiger hunting. And as nobles came across armored foes in war, they brought their daggers with them and found them useful against armored men. Whether or not a reinforced tip came before or after... I'd wager after. But then again, a tiger's neck is pretty thick. Manuscript illustrations showing tiger hunting with one often showed the user also getting chewed on in a bloody fashion, or others also equipped with a katar helping to finish the wounded beast being grappled.

  • @brutusblackbane2821
    @brutusblackbane2821 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    For some reason every time Matt shows a blade of any kind, I want to cut vegetables with it. I guess it’s because what I relate too, but in my mind when I see the katar I’m like “that’s a horrible way to cut carrots.”

    • @sameerthakur720
      @sameerthakur720 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Because you are supposed to go "Stabby-Stabby", not " Slicey-Slicey" .

    • @Lack_of_response
      @Lack_of_response 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      but a fun way to carve a pumpkin!

  • @metatronyt
    @metatronyt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Eventually I'll have to get one of your antique swords. Next time I'm in England, you'll have to show me your trade.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Hi mate, good to see you here :-)

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@scholagladiatoria Thanks for the good content 👍🏻

    • @wxwxsrg
      @wxwxsrg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@scholagladiatoria glad to see you two getting along. Such open mindedness is nice to see.

  • @FortyTwoBlades
    @FortyTwoBlades 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Windlass made some at one point and I managed to get my hands on some years ago (but years after MRL was no longer carrying them) by writing them to ask if they could look around for any. In experimenting with them I found that any deviation of the wrist on impact with firm targets could cause the ends of the supporting bars to dig into my forearm, and so either deliberately holding them away from the arm or being mindful to keep a locked wrist was necessary. The mentions I found of binding them to the arm were likely for preventing this sort of issue, and I rather suspect that they would have been selected carefully to fit the user rather than one-size-fits-all. The two I received were of different sizes, with one being a bit larger than the other, and the smaller one being a very good fit for my hand/arm, and it was easier to prevent from digging during impact as a result.

  • @andyleighton6969
    @andyleighton6969 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Having done a bit of martial arts I know that getting a clean hit on an uncooperative and moving target is easier said than done.
    A less than perfectly aligned strike, with force, into something resistant like mail or a padded jacket, would produce immense turning moment on the two little hand bars which seem to have been standard.
    It's hard to imagine it wouldn't turn violently in the hand, however tight your grip...but they were made and carried for decades, so they must have worked.
    Matt mentioned in passing that the side bars assisted in stability, but they're not in the axis of the grip/rotation with a whole hand grip on the handle, so it's "less than clear" how.
    Some more explanation, demonstration of the mechanics would be very useful.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      From what I've learned, 'punch dagger' is a misnomer. Think about doing draw cuts rather than punches. Same with a pata.

    • @BigChungo0
      @BigChungo0 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah the side bars 100% look better suited to brace against slashing… if you just threw a cross wearing one of those you are 100% rolling your wrist 😂

    • @ArifRWinandar
      @ArifRWinandar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Imagine brass knuckles with a really long spike

    • @chaimafaghet7343
      @chaimafaghet7343 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's always worth bearing in mind that it was carried by people who saw nothing wrong with burning widows alive and nobody else.

    • @thescholar-general5975
      @thescholar-general5975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Assuming you have the katar in the right hand, the bar on the top of the forearm which rests to the right side of the thumb. This prevents the katar from rotating clockwise in your hand because the bar cannot pass through the base of the thumb. If the katar has an appropriately tight fit, the bar along the bottom of the forearm often/easily rests a little on the bottom left side of the forearm. Sometimes the palm of the hand even protrudes below the bar on the right side. This works to prevent counter-clockwise rotation when thrusting at a target.

  • @levivanderveen4671
    @levivanderveen4671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Don't know if you'll read this, but the whole scissoring action of some of the katar combined with poison has always fascinated me, from a mechanical perspective, it might just be genius ngl.
    Considering how the mechanism works, it would make the most sense if it activates post puncture, when wrenching the blade out, pressure on the handle would cause the blades to open, deepening the wound channel and allowing the poison to interact with the blood stream, actually quite ingenious, if anything.

    • @valandil7454
      @valandil7454 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you've ever thrust a blade into ballistic gel especially a torso with bone-like parts and organs you'll get why that wouldn't work.
      Once you've penetrated even an inch of tissue you'd need more than just the mechanism powered by your fingers to actually open it, flesh does not give, you need to cut or puncture through it especially of you don't want to damage your own weapon, even twisting puts lots of stress on the blade, it could take a bend or even break before you could get it out 🫤

    • @levivanderveen4671
      @levivanderveen4671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@valandil7454 i mean thats good and all, but the mechanism is always locked to the front of the two bars, meaning it will activate when you pull it out. That’s a movement you can put your whole body into

    • @valandil7454
      @valandil7454 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@levivanderveen4671it's not body mechanics it's the blades themselves, the mechanism and the way you'd want it to cut and part the tissue while it's in is what wouldn't work, in order to cut they'd need some amount of movement otherwise they're just forcing themselves apart

  • @lephesis
    @lephesis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was looking forward to this overview for a long time !

  • @PalleRasmussen
    @PalleRasmussen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I think I prefer a sword if I get the choice. But you cannot always carry a sword.

    • @Vlad_Tepes_III
      @Vlad_Tepes_III 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You cannot always draw a sword in time, either. If someone walks up to bumping distance, draws a knife and shanks you, you can't get your sword out in time to do anything about it. If you have a dagger in addition to your sword, you can draw your dagger at nearly the same instant your assailant draws a dagger, then duke it out, probably draw your sword as well if you get the chance.

    • @Wolf-oc6tx
      @Wolf-oc6tx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Vlad_Tepes_III That is in fact is why swords men tended to carry daggers even before the creation of parrying daggers.

  • @Aa-dc2xu
    @Aa-dc2xu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You should make a part 2 discussing the scissor like Katars.

    • @Amistra
      @Amistra 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Scissor katar are mostly just a novelty from the 20th century and aren't actually usable

  • @JeffersonMills
    @JeffersonMills 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very informative, as always!

  • @sriharinandan4981
    @sriharinandan4981 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a tradition, during the wedding ceremony, groom carries this katar also called as Bãku in our region (karnataka). To defend from bandits or invaders during wedding procession.

  • @CapitaineNautilus
    @CapitaineNautilus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for this very instructive presentations. I have two questions:
    1. The way the blade is attached to the handle looks rather frail, compared to an usual dagger, which has a "filet" going through the handle. Do you know how solid it actually was in combat?
    2. How is the katar related to the kriss, which too is used like a punch-dagger but with a "pistol" grip?

  • @patron8597
    @patron8597 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What I find fascinating is how unique they are. Usually a Design stops being used if it is inferior, or it will get copied/there are similar inventions in other places if it is successful.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yep, though India had quite a few weapons that were only really popular in India.

    • @anantasheshanaga3666
      @anantasheshanaga3666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Definitely not an inferior design by any means.

    • @patron8597
      @patron8597 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@anantasheshanaga3666 that's what I'm saying and what I find so interesting.

  • @HypocriticYT
    @HypocriticYT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could katars for use have the extending bars wrapped around the arm with cloth to stabilize it in the hand or can the bars slide under chain mail sleeves to aid stability?

  • @Soorma_9
    @Soorma_9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great Video Matt.

  • @brendonwalker7728
    @brendonwalker7728 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    There is a Sikh sword fencing instructor whose first name is Sanatan and he said in a video that the Katar was designed to allow the user to strongly hold the shaft of a spear and the dagger. Otherwise the blade of the dagger sits along the shaft of the spear. If an opponent passes the spear point the katar is there in hand ready to stab them. You have polearms, perhaps you would be so kind as to investigate this claim. Much love from USA.

    • @shabadooshabadoo4918
      @shabadooshabadoo4918 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Finally! A knife you can safely wield while gripping onto your spear. I mean A spear... 😶‍🌫️

    • @Theduckwebcomics
      @Theduckwebcomics 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's probably something he came up with himself. If everyone is carrying a blade like this it would be unlikely it would have been designed specifically for a small subgroup who carry spears.
      Contrary to the beleif of a lot of modern weapon nuts most people in the past weren't armed to the teeth and ready for battle, only the small minority who were working as soldiers would fall into that category.

    • @Grunttamer
      @Grunttamer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheduckwebcomicsI don’t think anyone is making the claim that a random peasant would be armed with a spear and katar to go to the town center…. The claim is that katar were designed to pair with spear. That said I think it’s more of a happy accident if such a pairing is good.

  • @michaelbates4834
    @michaelbates4834 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I am curious about the katar's ability to cut/slash. There are design elements - such as the reinforcing bars, and the fact that it isn't just a round/square spike - that would lend themselves to slashing strikes.
    How well-documented is that use of a katar? Were cuts just used incidentally, if it fit the situation, or were they used as much as stabs/punches?

    • @Toxoplasma13
      @Toxoplasma13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Kalari practitioners demonstrate a LOT of cuts with these things

  • @MemphiStig
    @MemphiStig 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of my fave weapons. Good to find all this out.

  • @brianross5417
    @brianross5417 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I met some SCA practitioners who said that katars were one of the weapon types banned on their field. Even a wooden dowel padded version could cause serious injury. Not to mention that one fellow with two katars beat several longswords...

  • @piotrp5668
    @piotrp5668 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Was it used in dual welding with sword?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I have a vague memory that I have seen Indian art showing that, but I have not seen any examples recently. It seems usually to have been used like the rondel dagger, in wrestling range, while the sword was usually used with a shield or buckler.

  • @eccentricbear
    @eccentricbear 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could they have been used with a shield in a similar manner to the dirk can be used in the highland fighting style? Youd have the advantage of a better angle of attack?

  • @sebastiencausse4152
    @sebastiencausse4152 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It seems to me that mounting long blades on katar hilts sounds like you'd end up with an unbalanced, difficult to handle weapon, have you had the chance to hold one? Do you know if they were also worn and used as "daggers", or more like swords?

  • @Alastair510
    @Alastair510 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does the blade width always end just short of the shoulder of the hand frame?

  • @Jim58223
    @Jim58223 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    11:00 Why does he have two swords? I mean I get the more the better, but what's the context of this pic? Also Matt have you seen the pics and videos of the Feldlager 2023 at Brandenburg castle? IronCrown Workshop and Esther Kok as some great videos on it. Would love to see your reaction.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I have, yes. I shared it to the Facebook page. I have no idea why this Mughal guy has two swords!

    • @WoodrowSkillson
      @WoodrowSkillson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@scholagladiatoriagiven how many kinds of swords Indian people had access to, could it be one is thrusting for armor and I'm the other is slashing? like Polish Hussars carrying both a szabla and a koncerz.

    • @PahadiSher
      @PahadiSher 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@scholagladiatoria I love how people are genuinely interestedly in Indian history but that guy isn't a mughal but a Rajput. They are usually depicted wearing weapons especially when they are known warriors.

    • @rsbhangu6911
      @rsbhangu6911 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Two different styles of swords for two different purposes, yes one can do both but still here in india we like to be armed to teeth kind of thing.
      Nihang warriors still commonly carry two swords.

  • @henrycobb
    @henrycobb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are there any manuals on using the "guard" between the top of the bars and the base of the blade to parry a swing or thrust? Also if Indian swordfighters were "weak against the thrust", how did they handle their fellows using Katars?

  • @Kvartsb
    @Kvartsb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really interesting video!

  • @Michael-jx9bh
    @Michael-jx9bh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very interesting: Rondel dagger - with slender blade - held icepick / handshake grip. The katar with a wide somewhat triangular blade held perpendicular to the blade, thereby having more power to punch with a wider blade. Probably the katar makes bigger wounds, while having some issues with full plate armor.
    Seems the difference between the two is a factor of different types of armor to defeat - apart from the stylistic choice of course.

  • @Ichithix
    @Ichithix 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but how does the top and bottom bar prevent the weapon from twisting laterally?

    • @jackalplays5178
      @jackalplays5178 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The wrist bars don’t prevent horizontal movement, those are to prevent vertical movement when you slash and Overall forearm protection I’m pretty sure. The Handle itself is what resists horizontal movement, since the two bars create a kind of flat surface. You can test this yourself, take a single wooden dowel in you hand and you can see how easy it is to rotate. Then take two dowels and duct tape the m together and you can see it’s is much harder to rotate if you grip is tight.

  • @user-li9ys6vd1w
    @user-li9ys6vd1w 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They have a reenforced tip for piercing. How sre they at cutting and slashing?

  • @Kinetic.44
    @Kinetic.44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Cant beat those bio mechanics.

  • @philparkinson462
    @philparkinson462 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've owned a few over the years and like you said, the hooded variety are earlier, eg deccan..
    Nice examples btw.

  • @snoot6629
    @snoot6629 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    just imagine some mfs running around punching peoples in your lines and they dying - scary weapon

  • @adityapriyadarshi1227
    @adityapriyadarshi1227 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Definitely goes waaay back.there are sculptures from 3rd/4th century with Katars, and im oretty you'd find older ones

  • @PorcoWest
    @PorcoWest 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great video as ever thank you for all the wonderful stuff over the years.

  • @xomox5316
    @xomox5316 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    its a perfect off hand weapon due to off hand typically being more clumsy, its harder to get real force behind a left hand typical dagger without rolling your wrist. You can get amazing force with a left jab or hook with a punch, main hand typically a sword at least in India.

  • @williambreazeal387
    @williambreazeal387 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can it be combined with a shield?

  • @valandil7454
    @valandil7454 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I've always loved Indian history and martial arts, kalaripayattu's supposed to be the oldest known martial art and so many others since have been inspired by it 🙂
    I'd really like to spar with a katar it's a great mix of defence and offence despite its lack of reach and the way it locks your wrist.
    Can we see you sparring with it please Matt? I remember you saying one of your club's instructors went for Jujutsu as well I'd like to see how they'd handle it 🙂

    • @scottmacgregor3444
      @scottmacgregor3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you actually tried training with them? If so, how did you find it?

    • @valandil7454
      @valandil7454 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@scottmacgregor3444one of the guys from my club does, as I said no I haven't yet I chose Japanese Jujutsu so I'm more used to shorter knives you can use from a grapple
      Kali seems to put more emphasis on speed and reach like a bantamweight boxer so the Katar makes a lot of sense

  • @ukaszgrzesik7231
    @ukaszgrzesik7231 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think first time I have learned about Katar was in Final Fantasy 8, one of side character was using a pair. It looked so cool to young me!

  • @M4TCH3SM4L0N3
    @M4TCH3SM4L0N3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Is the criteria for "antique" just anything that is greater than 100 years old, or does it have to be certified or sold by some authority in antiques?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      In the UK antique for legal or tax purposes = over 100 years old. So a WW1 knuckleduster is legal, a WW2 example is not (although there is a legal 'defence' for 'historical importance').

    • @M4TCH3SM4L0N3
      @M4TCH3SM4L0N3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@scholagladiatoria that is wild! Given the similarity in construction from 17th-20th centuries, I don't suppose that police could likely spot the difference between a true antique and a quality modern reproduction, though.
      I don't like how lax our weapons laws are in the U.S., but I have to admit that the UK's laws sound pretty maddeningly arbitrary and nonsensical. Is it really that hard to implement sensible regulations that account for safety instruction and licensing/registration?

  • @TimmyTurner421
    @TimmyTurner421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wonder if people used to jab with them primarily and if they preferred orthodox or southpaw stance

  • @freestatefellow
    @freestatefellow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do these co-exist with the Pesh-Kabz time-wise? Sorry, bad spelling. Seems like they might fill a similar anti-armor or anti-thick-clothing role.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, both were used in India, but the pesh-kabz is essentially a Persian and Afghan weapon, which the Indians sometimes copied.

  • @theeddorian
    @theeddorian 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the illustration that appears around 10:26, what is the straight bladed sword held sheathed and upright over the left shoulder?

  • @anthonyhodgson825
    @anthonyhodgson825 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would have thought you'd touch on Katar with multiple blades. I didn't know if this was mostly deployed as a defensive parrying dagger or for offence.

  • @fatman4792
    @fatman4792 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Matt what are the chances of having windlass make some katars not enough modern onrs around

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      They could do it, but they would be prohibited in a lot of countries. Could be good for the US market though.

    • @scottmacgregor3444
      @scottmacgregor3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sighs in Canadian.

  • @philipzahn491
    @philipzahn491 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you think one could make a functional weapon with a curved (sword) blade on a handle like a katar?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, they existed. They are not common, but you can find them if you look around.

    • @Wolf-oc6tx
      @Wolf-oc6tx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It might be possible but probably not worth the effort(since with a curved blade you want to slash wheres with a katar style handle you want to thrust).

  • @williamblaker2628
    @williamblaker2628 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder if gauntlets of the period had loops that corresponded to those two steel bars, such that the dagger wouldn't turn in the fist when impacting resistance...🤔

  • @bellakaldera3305
    @bellakaldera3305 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What about the scissor bladed katar? I've seen several in museums that have an inner blade "clamshelled" into a pair of hinged outer blades, with a mechanism that when the two bars of the grip are compressed, the outer blades open, revealing the inner..presenting 3 points to an opponent!
    But you don't mention this variation. Is that another video?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Most of them seem to have been made in the 19th century to sell to tourists. They do seem to have existed before that, but seem to have been a novelty rather than normal weapons.

  • @SamuraiShawn-oe9nm
    @SamuraiShawn-oe9nm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There was one in the old jungle book the movie that when you squeeze the handle it would open into three blades have you seen that before or is that just a movie prop?

    • @scottmacgregor3444
      @scottmacgregor3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Historical examples exist, but people seem split on whether scissor katars had a practical purpose, or were just super fancy to style on the poors.

  • @sandeepKumar-md2yl
    @sandeepKumar-md2yl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice information sir

  • @johnstuartkeller5244
    @johnstuartkeller5244 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An accoustic! Nice to see someone playing a steel katar these days.

    • @CSGraves
      @CSGraves 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      (plays trombone)

  • @harrykouwen1426
    @harrykouwen1426 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can imagine having a wristband or bracelet with tube shaped fittings where the bars protruding back fit in, not having bindings or something around your hand to fix the bars sort of, in that way making it easy to take the knife from your sheath or pocket whatever and secure it quickly and effectively to use for punching , cutting, parrying etcetera.
    The fighter shown at 11 minutes has braceletsm that could also do that securing.

  • @karadordarkraven
    @karadordarkraven 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The choice of weapon for the Diablo2 Assasin!

  • @Tweogan
    @Tweogan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video! just a recommendation for editing, you have a lot of background noise in the audio, use audacity noise reduction feature for free or other such feature to make your video way more enjoyable. audio is the most important in video, about 5 times more important than video quality actually

  • @emilymiller7827
    @emilymiller7827 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    hey Matt, have you ever come across an urumi?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I know about them, but have never seen an antique example. I'm not honestly sure they were ever used in warfare - they seem to be associated with displays and shows.

    • @anantasheshanaga3666
      @anantasheshanaga3666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@scholagladiatoriaTraditional ballads in my state describe their use in duels and one against multiples self defence situations.

  • @motagrad2836
    @motagrad2836 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hope you recover soon from whatever cold or such you are suffering from.😷
    Have been looking forward to this video for some time as I knew you would get around to them eventually ☺️

  • @toddellner5283
    @toddellner5283 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have seen a fair number of katars. I have seen few if any where the cross pieces were held in place by separate rivets. More often the cross pieces end in square tenons which fit through square mortises in the sides. Or the holes and tenons were round, but (possibly countersunk and) peened over.
    One of the strangest examples, and one which I own, is a katar hilted pata like the one you mention but with a slightly reinforced tip. In that case the hilt(?) weapon absolutely has to be secured to the wielder. Otherwise torque makes it rotate uncontrollably in the hand.

  • @russellgant9001
    @russellgant9001 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Always informative and generous with your knowledge, thank you! Fascinating

  • @ranyodhsingh2589
    @ranyodhsingh2589 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are wrong about hand size they make it small because of there fighting style note for small hand

  • @LoreTunderin
    @LoreTunderin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That looks like a good weapon and cooking utensil.

    • @TimmyTurner421
      @TimmyTurner421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good butter knife indeed

  • @CosmicCricetinae
    @CosmicCricetinae 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've been looking for a katar to add to my collection. Preferably a modern one. Here in Texas most weapons are legal

  • @user-lv3or5xk3t
    @user-lv3or5xk3t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I now live in Virginia but until I was 65 I lived in New Jersey. The basic idea on knives was that those that are mainly tools are legal but ones that are mainly weapons are not legal to carry. Thus a 3 inch folder is legal even is assisted opening. Whereas push daggers are considered only weapons.

  • @alantheinquirer7658
    @alantheinquirer7658 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still don't understand how the two 'wrist bars' prevent the flat of the blade from being flat-twisted away from the line. I see the two grip bars helping - as they are effectively a flat handle parallel to the blade - but it still seems possible to deflect the blade from the thumb-line.
    Pleas note: without illustrating what I mean, I'm struggling to describe it. 🙂

    • @jackalplays5178
      @jackalplays5178 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The wrist bars don’t prevent horizontal movement, those are to prevent vertical movement when you slash and Overall forearm protection I’m pretty sure. The Handle itself is what resists horizontal movement, since the two bars create a kind of flat surface. You can test this yourself, take a single wooden dowel in you hand and you can see how easy it is to rotate. Then take two dowels and duct tape the m together and you can see it’s is much harder to rotate if you grip is tight.

  • @SeanMahoneyfitnessandart
    @SeanMahoneyfitnessandart 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like there would be a high chance of breaking your little finger (or pointer) if you leave it hanging out like that ... its going to push pretty hardright on the knuckle with impact and Im sure thats going to be quite painful.

  • @GaryChurch-hi8kb
    @GaryChurch-hi8kb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YES! I have been waiting for this one for a long time.

  • @ulfhedtyrsson
    @ulfhedtyrsson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah these are going on my forge list

  • @steveba43
    @steveba43 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting info on the katar weapons, do you have any information on the Afgan Lohan knife of the Banochie tribe ?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, if you search Khyber knife in my videos, also called the choora

  • @andreweden9405
    @andreweden9405 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Matt, when it comes to Hinduism, Islam, and Sikhism... Do you know if the katar has an association with any one of those faiths vs. the others? Just curious. Thank you!😊

    • @braddbradd5671
      @braddbradd5671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Id say more Hindu/ Sikh and copied by the Mugals /Islam but only in the subcontinent

    • @anantasheshanaga3666
      @anantasheshanaga3666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The Katar became a symbol of victory to the Sikhs since they used it a lot to punch through armour.

    • @Temujin1206
      @Temujin1206 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Not particularly, the katar was pretty much a universal thing across different Indian religious groups. It seems to have originated in the Hindu cultures in South India but pretty soon got adopted everywhere and you'll see them being worn by Mughals and Rohillas, Rajputs and Sikhs and everyone inbetween. They do have a strong social element, in general katars were worn by the military gentry and were a symbol of noble status (somewhat equivalent to wearing a sword in Medieval Europe for example), and some Sikhs and Hindus adopted the katar as a religious symbol, but beyond that and the different stylistic preferences in different groups the general use of the katar isn't strongly associated with any particular religious group or cimmunity.

  • @thechroniclesofthegnostic7107
    @thechroniclesofthegnostic7107 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    While I doubt it was ever used historically, many years ago I had a nice reproduction of a katar where I jerry-rigged a way to have it easily accessible but get most of the benefits of being "bound" to the arm: a leather vambrace with added loops that naturally slipped over the langets as you put your hand into the grip.
    Worked great, regardless of historicity. But I'd be absolutely tickled to hear of anything similar in actual historical use, if anyone knows of a record of it.

  • @Kinetic.44
    @Kinetic.44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    You can punch someone in head and right into into the brain quite easily compared to a normal knife, the short T handle is also easy to conceal on modern punch daggers.

  • @mannyv2793
    @mannyv2793 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video! I was first introduced to katars by playing Diablo II as a teenager, where it was the class-specific weapon for the assassin class. Would love to hear more about them, such as the scissor katar and more fruity varieties. I love how varied and imaginative Indian weaponry is, really enjoy your content relating to that!

  • @angelhurtado55
    @angelhurtado55 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "what is thi?"
    a top tier indian weapon

  • @michaelrn
    @michaelrn 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do Katar blades have a cutting edge?

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why didn't they import European dagger or bayonet blades to make their katars instead so they won't have to be shortened that much? and they are also usually more thrust oriented in design as well

  • @no_Ray_bang
    @no_Ray_bang 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the mention of Willow

  • @VERDIENSTORDEN
    @VERDIENSTORDEN 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What do you use as a sword rack if you don’t mind asking?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's a standard sword rack purchased through Playwell Martial Arts.

  • @konstantin.v
    @konstantin.v 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:03 By means of what can those bars provide *security for the grip?* They are sticking out not touching your hand 🤨

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Friction - they contact the hand in front of and behind the cross-bars a lot, because the grip is tight.

    • @konstantin.v
      @konstantin.v 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@scholagladiatoria , they are sticking out far beyond the rearmost point of contact, though 🙃

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, those extensions are not necessary to gripping the weapon IMHO, but can be used for defending and maybe make the weapon easier to wear, access and draw.

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    were there single edged Katars?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There are certainly katars with single-edged sword blades fitted in the hilts. I cannot recall if I have ever seen one which was made from the outset to have a single edge.

  • @JackEspadas
    @JackEspadas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mate you're 6'1 if something doesn't fit it start being your fault 😅😂

  • @incitatusrecordings473
    @incitatusrecordings473 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    14:48 True...I mean imagine having to fight for your life against people with sharp / piercing objects (onde handed sword for example) using one of those weapons! you dont really aim for anything you just go berserk like Wolverine.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Minbari used them in the Earth Minbari War. (From the B5 movie, 'In the Beginning') So they go waaaayy back! :D

  • @atharvatoskar1633
    @atharvatoskar1633 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    _these punch daggers are very useful in self dense while dog attacks!_

  • @Waldemarvonanhalt
    @Waldemarvonanhalt 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would be fun if Matt could have brief look at the depictions of characters of various cultures in Crusader Kings 3.

  • @SiriusMined
    @SiriusMined 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    XCOM2 had a weapon similar to it, for the Templar class

  • @nicholas3354
    @nicholas3354 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Matt. There were alot of pictures and details in this video which are not in your earlier videos on the topic.

  • @custardthepipecat6584
    @custardthepipecat6584 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My dad's friend showed me some of these when i was young now i know there name. 😺🤙🍻

  • @GunGnome_
    @GunGnome_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I play Chivalry 2 on ps5 and get very angry when I encounter these

  • @itsapittie
    @itsapittie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cool! I’ve always been fascinated by these. I don’t know why.

  • @jannesuntila2213
    @jannesuntila2213 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Might it be so that the punchdaggers are outlawed because their only use is to be used as a weapon. It can be hard to do bushcraft with it…..

  • @micahfries7878
    @micahfries7878 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My first time seeing a katar was in Soul Calibur 2. I'm a big fan of Voldo's fighting style.

  • @Tacklebox3000
    @Tacklebox3000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate to focus in on something that’s only tangentially related, but you mention medieval Europeans carrying daggers in addition to their swords. With regards to that, why do you think some prominent euro hema personalities have been so vocally against longsword tournaments allowing (or requiring) the carrying of a backup dagger. This is something that is occasionally done in North America tournaments but whenever I see it mentioned on reddit or Facebook it’s always put down as nonsense.

  • @Trav_Can
    @Trav_Can 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    9:01 Yeah... Tulwars... You're the reason why I now own five of them. And a few hilts. Why I learned to make pipal tree based "cutler's pitch". I learned it from watching you alright!

  • @someoneelse7695
    @someoneelse7695 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the interesting video. Now I know a bit more about the katar. I also have a few more questions about the katar design now that weren't addressed here.
    Why is the point where most of these blades are attached to the handle curved back towards the hand? Especially with the types that have a point sticking out towards the hand, this seems like a danger to the user.
    Why are many of these blades very broad and very tapered? In an age of heavy armor, wouldn't this be a disadvantage?
    The very broad blade seems (to a lay person like me) to be similar to the blade of a cinquedea. Are these blade designs related by any chance?

  • @christopherblaziek8303
    @christopherblaziek8303 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Two guys dueling with katars would get brutal really fast.

  • @williamromine5715
    @williamromine5715 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish he had explained the one that had three blades. We're they only ceremonial or actually used in combat.