Renaissance LEFT HAND DAGGERS: Not ONLY for using with RAPIERS

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ธ.ค. 2024

ความคิดเห็น • 325

  • @thornescapes7707
    @thornescapes7707 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +152

    I have always preferred the term "parrying dagger". It's a dagger with added parrying ability. This fact is true whether it is in your left hand or used alone.

    • @glowstickofdestiny1290
      @glowstickofdestiny1290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Or used alone in your left hand

    • @scelonferdi
      @scelonferdi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      That's in fact the name by which I learned about them. It was much later that I came across Main Gauche or left hand dagger

    • @Wub-rv9xx
      @Wub-rv9xx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      now I want one so I could call it a left-land dagger while holding it in my right, 'cuz I'm a bastard lefty that way

    • @MM-gk1tm
      @MM-gk1tm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      You're right, partying dagger is definitely the better term.

    • @laoxep
      @laoxep 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@MM-gk1tm I think parrying dagger is a better term especially if you are left handed

  • @samuelprice2461
    @samuelprice2461 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The little dagger you brought with you is better than the huge dagger you left at home!

  • @silverjohn6037
    @silverjohn6037 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    It's never wise to assume something is "popular" because it's better than something else. When I was a kid the Dirty Harry films had made revolvers with heavy bull barrels and vent ribs popular. Now there was a reason for the bull barrels (to reduce muzzle whip and manage heavier recoil) and the vent rib (to help cool the barrel during extended target shooting sessions) but most of the people weren't choosing those kind of revolvers for those reasons. They were choosing them because it was the latest coolest thing.
    Looking back people can laugh at people buying snub nosed .38's with vent ribs and bull barrels but then they go out and buy an AR 15 with 36" more picatinny rails that they will ever need for mounting accessories.
    The change to the parrying dagger may have had the same logic and have absolutely nothing to do with a practical reason. All it takes is some clever young fop in 1530 saying "Hey, the 1510's want their bucklers back."

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      This is an important point. It's worth noting that bucklers stuck around for the entire 16th century & beyond, even though become less commonly worn & paired with swords than daggers. Miguel Pérez de Mendoza y Quijada wrote about fencing with & wearing the buckler in 1675. It's debatable whether the buckler or the dagger is the better companion to the sword, but the dagger definitely wins in terms of versatility & generally in terms of convenience.

    • @joshtiscareno1312
      @joshtiscareno1312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The dagger is also substantially more *lethal* than the buckler is. If someone is able to get past your sword and close to grappling distance, the bucker isn't the best tool to attack them. The dagger, on the other hand, was MADE for fighting at grappling distances. This gives your opponent a good reason to keep his distance and fight at maximum range.

    • @MasoTrumoi
      @MasoTrumoi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is true, but it's also worth noting that media wasn't quite as widespread back in the day, and certainly no films to draw a direct parallel. Stories back then were usually more like poetry or plays and rarely were weaponry specified or setting the standard there. Tournaments were the closest thing they had to action films.
      Trends would thus be based on a mixture of local preferences and conditions. As Matt put it, maybe the dagger is "worse" with a sword than a buckler, but when these side weapons are alone the dagger is far superior. Thus if you find the conditions dictate you need a back up weapon in different situations, you'd always prefer the dagger to the buckler.
      In addition to that yeah it looks pretty cool. But that would probably be set up by seeing a fellow fighter use it in an interesting and effective way. Though it might not be the most efficient choice, it would be a standard set by a trusted superior or a live fight, not a performance where the details can be smudged.
      In that instance the worst case scenario is if you have a mentor who pretends to know what they're talking about but does not actually. Instead of Dirty Harry, you were looking out for the "bullshido master".

    • @PJDAltamirus0425
      @PJDAltamirus0425 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny thing is that the Chinese essentially have a buckler which essentially is about as lethal as a dagger. Skall did a video about it. Must have a pain to carry cus as far as a I know, it didn’t catch of anywhere else

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@PJDAltamirus0425 I wouldn't say the gou-rang is as lethal as dagger, though it's certainly more dangerous than a simple round buckler. European bucklers did sometimes have spikes, but that also makes them harder to wear conveniently, like the gou-rang. In theory, a buckler with a retractable blade like that one famous lantern shield would be a way around the convenience problem. I'm not aware of any historical buckers that had such retractable blades, but that lantern shield shows it was possible with 16th-century technology. Holding a buckler & dagger together, as Hans Talhoffer showed, would be another option, though this presumably requires a few seconds or so of prep time.

  • @jonathanyaeger2289
    @jonathanyaeger2289 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    In “Method of Teaching the Masters” (1639, Southern Spain) Viedma notes that you dagger should be at least 1 half vara (16.5 in) long and later references a 24 in dagger blade in a way the indicates it especially long.
    He also has a section on defending oneself against a sword with only a dagger, saying you might one day be caught out without a sword.

  • @Lohgoss
    @Lohgoss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    In 1540 Altoni mentions, that the buckler has been abandoned in Italy for some time for its association with men of evil intent and started to be proscribed; Altoni, Monomachia p.117. Mind I am lifting this reference from a work on Giganti, someone having read Altoni might have more context.
    So for Italy swashbuckler swashbuckled so hard they got the buckler banned in some areas of Italy around mid 16th century. Further in 1601 Docciolini mentions it started to make a comeback specificly at night.
    Of note is that both references originate from Florence.

    • @mnk9073
      @mnk9073 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Pretty sure walking around the inner city with a buckler then was the same as walking around the inner city with a baseball bat these days.
      My guess is the treaty of Lyon in 1601 meant lots of unemployed Piemontese soldiers loitering around northern Italy.

    • @cwmyr
      @cwmyr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Amazing reference ! Any idea on why the comeback at night specifically?

    • @Lohgoss
      @Lohgoss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@cwmyr this is only speculation, but with bad vision in low light conditions parrying a thrust is quite hard so the buckler covering a larger area just by holding it in front of the body is safer than the dagger, which requires "active" parrying.

    • @jritchey267
      @jritchey267 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@Lohgoss Also consider that if carrying a buckler brought unwanted attention, it would just be easier to get away with at night.

    • @AdlerMow
      @AdlerMow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Lohgoss What's amazing is that the italians invented the lantern buckler exactly at that time, so guards had a double use item!

  • @Honeybadger_525
    @Honeybadger_525 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Great points Matt! I've fought with rapier and dagger many times, however it didn't become so apparent to me how much of a pain it is to be wearing a sword all the time until I wore both weapons at a local renaissance fair. I ended up leaving the sword at my guild's encampment for most of the event and kept the dagger on my belt. If I was forced to defend myself with what I had on my person, I still have a dagger and sometimes a cloak which I suspect were commonly employed together in self defense. Would love to see a future video exploring that weapon combination.

    • @drzander3378
      @drzander3378 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @Honeybadger_525, Marozzo has a section on cloak and dagger.

    • @Honeybadger_525
      @Honeybadger_525 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yes he does! Marozzo was specifically who I was thinking of. I don't know of any other fencing manuals from that period that specifically discuss cloak and dagger. I do know that some later knife fighting traditions sometimes employ cloaks, coats or ponchos in the off hand.

    • @flametitan100
      @flametitan100 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Honeybadger_525 Fabris is 50 years later than Marozzo, but his treatise brings up a point which may explain why dagger and cloak wasn't as popular in that period as it could be. In it, he says the biggest advantage of the cloak was that it could be used in jurisdictions where the dagger was banned. To me, this implies that Dagger and cloak's unpopularity was due to circumstance. If you were using a cloak, it was because the dagger was banned, and if the dagger's not banned, you'd prefer to use sword and dagger.
      Now, that was an assumption on my part and could be off base; Fabris tried to keep his book from having too many different subjects in favour of going deep into rapier specifically, so it could just be that cloak and dagger was excluded for brevity's sake like sword and buckler were. It could be Cloak and Dagger were popular and treatises on them just don't surface as frequently; It wasn't until the 2010's we discovered Giganti book 2 was real, after all.

    • @laufert7100
      @laufert7100 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Try it, dagger and cape is insanely chaotic and fun!

    • @Zbigniew_Nowak
      @Zbigniew_Nowak 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@laufert7100 I read that long ago Roman legionaries used large, strong daggers to parry blows if they did not have a shield with them. But for me, with no experience in fencing, fighting with two objects at the same time in two hands seems to be an abstraction that probably requires superhuman coordination. But well, I used to think the same way about turning the steering wheel of a car and changing gears manually at the same time.

  • @StygianEmperor
    @StygianEmperor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    dual-wielding is cool-wielding

    • @jayred2908
      @jayred2908 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Can confirm flo ftw

    • @kyuken893
      @kyuken893 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ...and not for fools-wielding.

    • @ScarecrowsSwords
      @ScarecrowsSwords 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Learn FMA dual wielding is taught out the gate

    • @umartdagnir
      @umartdagnir 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      But what if your dagger is hot?

    • @StygianEmperor
      @StygianEmperor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@umartdagnir even better

  • @brandond9900
    @brandond9900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    11:30 starts talking about the size of left hand dagger, and how they were normally much shorter. I typically train with a rebated Tod Cutter quillon dagger, and Matt is definitely correct on how much it changes things from using something like a sail dagger.

    • @tommeakin1732
      @tommeakin1732 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Forgive me, my le Francais isn't as strong as it should be for an English speaker; does "rebated" mean "blunted" in my ugly, mutt tongue?

  • @Wodan85
    @Wodan85 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    In Switzerland we call it a Parierdolch (parry dagger)

  • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
    @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Though bucker use declined in relative terms, even simple round bucklers continued to exist & to appear in fencing treatises throughout the 16th century & beyond. Giacomo di Grassi's 1570 manual, for example, features a simple round bucker & claims one could easily defend against thrusts with it. Di Grassi used a cut-&-thrust sword (a sidesword, if you want to use that term) but favored the thrust over the cut. & Miguel Pérez de Mendoza y Quijada thought both dagger & the bucker were awesome to use in conjunction with the rapier & wanted to bring them back into fashion, as he wrote in his 1675 treatise.

  • @peterleblanc661
    @peterleblanc661 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    It is always interesting how much daggers and swords parallel modern firearms here in the US. Like that these are side arms and not the primary. Where with fire arms a pistol is a side arm and a rifle is a primary. And some of the most popular pistols are very small and light weight not because that is superior for shooting(in fact heavier ones are typically used in competitions) but because they are easy to carry/conceal. In both cases it's a huge compromise between what would be best in case of actual fight that will probably never happen vs what is convenient to carry everyday without using it. Also a nice reminder that just because this was long ago these people were not dumb. They did things the way they did for practical reasons that may be hard for us to see without living with a sword on our hip.

    • @johnladuke6475
      @johnladuke6475 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Another point towards that analogy is the few cases where big hand cannons are actually preferable. Picturing the old west, or even modern ranchers, sometimes a large and powerful pistol is the choice. But why? Because a rifle might be a bit much to be carrying around, but a compact and light pistol doesn't have enough power to get the job done.

  • @If-ish
    @If-ish 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Another thing that could have contributed to the popularity of daggers over bucklers is hand protection. One of the common uses of a buckler is to protect your sword hand, with the rise of complex hilts this becomes less important.

    • @PJDAltamirus0425
      @PJDAltamirus0425 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, and what people are referring to with the printing press on a societal level. A Renaissance man probably owned and carried more stuff than a medieval man. More trade, even from exotic places the old world and the new world to Europe, printing presses starting to makes the first kinda relatively afforadly books, more money based economy and civilians are less tolerance of encumbrance than soldiers, soldiers have put with bulky and heavy throughout history. The place where that isn’t the case , where people walk around heavily armed, like the Scottish highlands and I think India with the sikhs have been noted by outsiders as strange and lawless.

    • @Cleanpea
      @Cleanpea 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not only that, it takes more effort to move the sword around the buckler, the more complex the hilt. Probably part of why later buckler sources advices the buckler to be held out from the body, separate from the sword?

  • @Daniel_D_King
    @Daniel_D_King 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I absolutely adore tods alehouse dagger. Paired nicely with a basket hilted broadsword or back sword.
    Also darkwood armoury small pierced sail hilt dagger.

  • @Kamamura2
    @Kamamura2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It seems that the really popular combo, historically vastly preferred, is unjustifiably overlooked in these analyses. Yes, I am talking about the sword and butler combo. Consider the advantages - the butler carries the sword, you have your hands free to engage in whatever social and less than social activity of your choice. If circumstances escalate, you signal your butler, he draws the sword and protects you. If there are legal problems afterwards, the butler goes to prison, you hire another butler, rinse and repeat, smooth and trouble-free solution.

  • @hanno_t
    @hanno_t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One of the pertinent examples of this point is the Scottish Dirk. It was used both as a left-hand weapon in addition to the broad-sword (sometimes held in conjunction with a targe), but also as a stand-alone weapon where necessary.

  • @Kingfisher_2376
    @Kingfisher_2376 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Another thing I think you wandered close to but didn't mention explicitly; even in the era of sword and buckler, a person who lost or gave up their sword probably still had a dagger on them. So rather than being a trade, it was more a matter of merely giving up the shield with no other change to one's accoutrements. This is potentially reinforced by the exceptionality of bulky daggers (as you mentioned), since the buckler would likely be even bulkier than that dagger in turn, making them even less convenient for everyday carry. From there, the first use of sword and dagger together might have been incidental, driven by the once momentary to defend oneself while already/only carrying two one-handed weapons (as opposed to three).

  • @kyuken893
    @kyuken893 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for covering this topic Matt.
    Ive recently been looking into learning more about left hand dagger use as it compares to Jitte use.
    Its interesting how they are both defensive sidearms that developed in societies where dueling was common.

  • @5ringsmaster
    @5ringsmaster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I humorously refer to my Bolognese style parrying dagger, when I'm giving lessons, as a main-droit. (Left handed coach here.) I'll then tell my students that when they use it, it's a main-gauche.

    • @mlo9005
      @mlo9005 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As a fellow lefty, I have to ask: Where do you find asymmetrical weapons suited for left handers?

    • @drzander3378
      @drzander3378 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Excuse the pedantry but it’s ‘droite’, not ‘droit’ as ‘main’ is feminine.

    • @5ringsmaster
      @5ringsmaster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@drzander3378 Thank you! My French is very very rudimentary. As many Parisians who have assisted me in the past know very well.

    • @5ringsmaster
      @5ringsmaster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mlo9005 A number of antique saber guards (especially for gymnasium swords) are symmetrical. I find cheap broken ones, and remount the guards. Rapiers, I’ve had students build several guards for me, and cup hilts are typically symmetrical. Court swords are generally not difficult. Turn the blade over.

    • @Blokewood3
      @Blokewood3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I made that joke too when I learned rapier and dagger! 😊 Main droits unite!

  • @pexobestia
    @pexobestia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    About bucklers with point breaking capability in Renaissance, spanish literary sources tell about "corchetes", shields made of cork and light wood, sported by the guards in Madrid and other big cities, to the point of being the nameshake of those guards ( "then came the corchetes")

  • @robinswords
    @robinswords 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A great video as always. To the point about what you pair it with, I'm actually commissioning a matched sword and dagger but the sword is more of a half and a half situation. I'm having it styled after those half-baskets that you covered a while back.

  • @TheGoldenBear79
    @TheGoldenBear79 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Matt! Brilliant as usual Sir. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and doing it in such a fun & interesting way. I always enjoy and look forward to your content. From “across the pond”, my best wishes to you and your family. ✌️🌎

  • @afellowsoulofash8382
    @afellowsoulofash8382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    3:36 having that for dinner, also great video Matt, as always.

  • @MH-yp6wg
    @MH-yp6wg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting! The dagger is my favorite weapon. Please make that a series and make some more videos about it... because we've heard so much about swords, it's time for something new! :)

  • @jonasbarka
    @jonasbarka 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Even as a HEMA dagger user, much of this was new information for me!

  • @DamienNeverwinter
    @DamienNeverwinter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    *Matt would you please make a video explaining the differences between Spanish, French and Italian fencing?*

  • @emarsk77
    @emarsk77 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just a thought from my personal experience about a further possible(?) explanation of the transition from buckler to dagger.
    As we can see in I-33, if the sword has a simple cross-guard, a buckler is excellent for protecting the sword hand (while a dagger is pretty rubbish at that). But if the sword has a more developed hilt, the buckler is less necessary as a hand protector, and in Marozzo for example we see it often held in front while the sword moves around it pretty independently. In fact, a complex hilt (or even just a long cross-guard) is a nuisance if you try to fence in the I-33 style.
    I also find that a dagger is better than a buckler not only against thrusts, but also against cuts. Admittedly, I have more experience with dagger than with buckler, so that may be a factor, but still, the dagger is perfectly adequate for parring even powerful cuts, especially if used in conjunction with the sword at the moment of the impact, and then employed as a controlling device while the sword is free to leave the bind and hit through an opening. A buckler, on the other hand, often deflects the incoming blow rather than stopping it, and has a limited capacity to control a bind on its own.

  • @jiffypoo5029
    @jiffypoo5029 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Off-hand dagger makes more sense to me personally. Left hand dagger is in the right hand if you like to doing left hand dominant practice to develop a bit of ambidextrous muscle memory.

  • @zoltanbereczki7162
    @zoltanbereczki7162 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If you're still looking for an alternate name for those, in hungarian its called a "hárítótőr", which means "parry dagger".

    • @olivertanacs5217
      @olivertanacs5217 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Üdvözletem! Csak ki akartam fejezni az örömömet hogy vannak más magyarok is akik Matt videóit figyelik. Legyen a napja kellemes és örömteli! :)

  • @lunacorvus3585
    @lunacorvus3585 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Dagger has always been one of my favorite off hand weapons, would like to see more about it.

  • @jellekastelein7316
    @jellekastelein7316 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would love to see more on the antique 17th century swords behind you Matt!

  • @lukewilliams8548
    @lukewilliams8548 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice I'm curious to see some sparring or demonstrations with parrying dagger vs pole arm.

  • @vinceblasco
    @vinceblasco 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Complex hilted rapiers essentially have the buckler incorporated into the hilt so you might as well have another implement in the other hand with both offensive and defensive capabilities.

  • @RSW6666
    @RSW6666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Matt, when going about your daily business and not expecting trouble, wearing a simple, lighter long dagger makes sense. My question is about the Cinquedea; AKA a sword for when you don't want to wear a sword but still have the mass to block a full sword. It's also good for tight quarters and concealing under your cloak. I wear a Schivonna and a Cinquedea with my 1530 Northern Italian outfit and consider myself well armed. What do you think about a left had Cinquedea? It may not have the extensive guard, but the mass is an aid to parrying a long sword or thicker side sword.

  • @Nabterayl
    @Nabterayl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s fun to see more Bolognese-aware content on your channel, Matt!

  • @Robert040867
    @Robert040867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about ale house daggers? Especially basket hilted.

  • @PJDAltamirus0425
    @PJDAltamirus0425 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was the itailian cinqueda maybe somene started trying to make a cheaper version of this? The meaty blade, short sword length, wide tringle for cutting and thrusting, larger quillons for parrying. The nailed construction is easier to than the percise friction fit of a crossguard.

  • @MH-yp6wg
    @MH-yp6wg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please also make a video about the offensive (!) potential of the parrying dagger as well.

  • @Yandarval
    @Yandarval 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Parrying dagger would be the obvious choice. As that is what it is mainly carried for. Defending from and parrying blows.

  • @jritchey267
    @jritchey267 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My understanding is that part of why bucklers fell out of favor is that they are more or less limited to one purpose, and carrying one started to hold the connotation that you were a little too eager for a fight. On the other hand, daggers can at least ostensibly claim utility uses, even if the claim might be pretty thin for some.

  • @Matasiete666
    @Matasiete666 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The dagger became popular, because in times of peace and in cities or towns, carrying a shield was quite a heavy task. While a short sword and a rapier could be carried without difficulty. Greetings from Spain.

  • @knate44
    @knate44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm excited for more lefty dagger content

  • @texasbeast239
    @texasbeast239 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In the D&D "The Legend of Drizzt" book series by R.A. Salvatore, assassin/fighter Artemis Entreri fights with a variety of long blades on the right, and a signature dagger on the left. But he seems to prefer to use the smaller weapon for most of his work. It's almost as if he likes to parry or bind with the sword, then close in and strike with the dagger.
    There is never a super clear description of his prized weapon in the books, but here are the highlights. It is covered in emeralds, with a magical garnet in the pommel, all embedded in silvery metal. It has a crossguard of some sort, but there has never been a mention of a finger ring or curved terminals "printing" on his cloak or jacket while sheathed. And the blade is only about as long as a man's head is tall, for he once drove it under a man's jaw up into his brain, and the point stopped in the underside of the man's skull, with the guard under his chin. Such a short blade might be more difficult to defend with than either of the fighting knives Matt presents here, but it would definitely help him to conceal it for his shadier missions.

    • @vedymin1
      @vedymin1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He liked it more couse it stole vitality with every strike and gave it to him, a vampiric dagger. So he could easily exhaust the opponent with even tiny lacerations. At least thats what i member x)

    • @texasbeast239
      @texasbeast239 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vedymin1 Yeah, but I was trying to steer clear of the magical aspects and focus on the purely martial ones.

  • @ericthompson3982
    @ericthompson3982 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In Filipino blade arts, we have a style called Espada y Dagga that is very closely related to Spanish fencing, since the Spanish were one of the biggest colonizers of the Philippines. It's loaded heavily with separate actions between the right and left hand, to unbalance an opponent. It also serves the purpose of defending, as the dagger acts almost as a shield. Obviously, that's a slightly reductive explanation.

  • @therecalcitrantseditionist3613
    @therecalcitrantseditionist3613 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny to see this pop into my feed since i have been recently trying to research parry daggers in the 18th century.

  • @Watari_toppa
    @Watari_toppa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sir John Smythe recommends a short dagger with a small cross guard on the battlefield, but is this better suited than a long dagger for close combat in dense pike squares? The average blade length of Japanese wakizashi is in the 40-cm range, which is longer than the 9-10 inch (22-25cm) short dagger recommended by Smythe, but some literature recommends carrying a tanto (blade length of about 20cm or more) along with.

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In tight quarters & grappling, a shorter dagger/knife definitely has advantages.

  • @asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
    @asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've always preferred "parrying dagger" or if it suits "quillon dagger". This is in part because rondel, Bullock & other dagger types are not generally used as an offhand weapon to sword/rapier. Yes rondels & other types were used to parry when used alone but not as an offhand weapon (or at least rarely as I can think of no examples in art).

  • @christopherhawes9173
    @christopherhawes9173 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When do I get to be Matt Easton? He is always continuing to be.

  • @ChloeV-c3d
    @ChloeV-c3d 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dear Sant..... nevermind, Schola much appreciate the content on the 'main gauche', I recently acquired a rapier and am attempting to currently forge my own parrying dagger.

  • @hitandhope7355
    @hitandhope7355 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I reckon the holes on the guard would've got thrusts stuck, like a bind. Did the popularity of daggers over bucklers co-incide with the trend to thrusts as opposed to cuts?

  • @Stephen_Curtin
    @Stephen_Curtin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I know you brought up Marozzo's section on the dagger used in the right hand as a main weapon, but it's a pity you didn't mention his section on cloak and dagger.

  • @lukeman9851
    @lukeman9851 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How were bucklers actually worn? From what I've seen, could it also be a factor that more complex hand protection or changes in how the sword was suspended from the belt could make it more difficult to wear a buckler with your sword than would wearing a dagger in its own sheath?

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Artwork suggests that they were usually worn with a loop so that they hung by the scabbard & could be easily grabbed after drawing the sword. There is one period pieces that shows a buckler worn over a sword handle, but there are more images of other methods of carry. I'm sure wearing a buckler was generally more annoying than wearing a dagger, though it depends on the exactly buckler & dagger in question.

  • @ns987
    @ns987 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    For close combat, the blade should not be too long. Fights and self-defense situations are not always a duel. For example, it could happen suddenly in a tower span or a tavern or a room... You can't fight with a long blade there. The length of the blade can sometimes be a disadvantage. In addition, it is better to use a blade that is not too long if you fall to the ground and engage your enemy from a lying or sitting position. Yes, this kind of situation is not very suitable for cinema, unlike duels. But life is not a movie and never has been..

  • @robertb6889
    @robertb6889 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could the shift to a dagger be related to the handle-style and the added inconvenience of a buckler with a large hand guard on the sword - how do they generally fit together when worn?

  • @Oblomovrising
    @Oblomovrising 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting, thank you !

  • @scottmacgregor3444
    @scottmacgregor3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do feel that the basic dagger shape (a t) is better at defending against and maintaing control over thrusts than the basic buckler shape (a domed circle). That may well have affected their popularity as thrusting weapons and thrust centric fighting styles came into vogue.

    • @Lohgoss
      @Lohgoss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      there are a variety of buckler designs, some are recurve or have metal bands and ridges that can catch sword points. As for thrusting systems, Giganti teaches to parry thrusts with the edge of the buckler, not unlike the dagger, and cuts/imbroccata with the flat. tho he concedes the targa does so more effectively.

    • @scottmacgregor3444
      @scottmacgregor3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Lohgoss well aware of all of that. The basic round buckler seems to be most prevalent, so I'm calling that the baseline shape, same as I called the T that base line dagger shape. Not mentioning swept bullhorn quilons, or sail hand guards, or other modifications.

  • @dreembarge
    @dreembarge 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks, Matt.

  • @davideddy8557
    @davideddy8557 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was just thinking about this the other day in regards to 'alehouse daggers'

  • @Hello_once_more
    @Hello_once_more 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I must ask will the previous wave of Cutlass, Windlass swords be discontinued?

  • @hraefn1821
    @hraefn1821 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Complex hand protection daggers like that, of a more substantial size than a typical dagger, I can see being the Rogue "daggers" of choice in a D&D setting. Makes far more sense. Small and concealable for the knifey shiv dark...and able to parry weapons effectively if you make too much noise while being a sneak XD

  • @kahn04
    @kahn04 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I may be way off but looking at that dagger I can’t help but think of the cinquedea, small (relatively speaking) package but robust enough to hold its own against larger weapons

  • @torreyjones4421
    @torreyjones4421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Out of curiosity if you were going to design a bowie knife style one to act as the companion piece to something like the gunther langes messer what features would you want it to have? Would you hold the knife edge forward or even edge backward using the spine rather than thumbing the blade?

  • @JCOwens-zq6fd
    @JCOwens-zq6fd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a good point. As an aside in Eastern Europe & Persia they for sure carried the Qama/Qame/Kindjal short sword in conjunction with the saber for this same purpose. The short sword went with them even places the saber did not. I don't see why the West wouldn't also do this. Especially cultures that like the Eastern Europeans & Persians descend from the Steppe peoples of the black sea region.

  • @PXCharon
    @PXCharon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I tend to fence with a small simple dagger as a companion specifically because it's the sort of thing you're likely to carry every day.
    10" blade, open ring, and short forward curved guard. I don't worry much about my hand getting hit either, since it's held near the forte of the sword, one defends the other.

  • @Magey_McMage
    @Magey_McMage 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your comment on only wearing daggers in certain situations makes me think of the Burgundian-driven court fashion and culture of the mid-late 15th century. If you look at paintings the only things worn were roundel daggers on the belt, usually at an angle. While there are clearly examples of "court" swords (IX 949 being probably the most famous example) and swords where the form is almost as important as the form, the dagger seems to be the fashion statement and defensive tool of choice. In many cases you see them angled towards the left hand as well (though artist bias and perspective should be taken into account). Looking at artwork from the reigns of Duke Philip the Good and Charles the Bold of Burgundy and even within the court of Maximilian and Mary as seen in L'arbre des batailles can give you many examples of the dagger, and the left hand dagger, being the primary tool, especially among those richest enough to follow and even set the fashion trends!

  • @JosephAllen-d2e
    @JosephAllen-d2e 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Matt Easton: where can I find one of these daggers? I did not see them on the Royal Armories website.

  • @yaleksander42
    @yaleksander42 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm curious, Matt, how would one dress/sheathe a dagger with a more complex hand guard? I've just started learning rapier but I haven't seen anything on the treatises about that yet

  • @knate44
    @knate44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was going to ask about wearing a dedicated parrying dagger, because the balance on most of them is not really conducive to carrying on a daily basis. They are often pretty handle heavy which makes them tip over and I was wondering if you had any insight into that

  • @grantcox4764
    @grantcox4764 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hmmmm, maybe you could test out your theory during the upcoming 'Armoured Fighter' workshop. Would be interesting to see the results vs various polearms.

  • @exploatores
    @exploatores 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My experience as a former military says that most pepole starts with large knife and kind of soon get a smaller one. because 99% of the time it´s in your belt. I would guess it was the same with left hand daggers historicly.

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In the early 17th century, Joseph Swetnam recommended wearing a two-foot dagger & a rapier that was at least four feet. Some Renaissance wore absurdly large & inconvenient sidearms.

    • @exploatores
      @exploatores 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@b.h.abbott-motley2427 something that is 2 foot sounds more like a short sword. then a dagger. It would be fun to see someone trying to walk indoors with a 4 foot rapier and a 2 foot dagger.

  • @Calanon
    @Calanon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In Silver he talks about both dagger and poniard - do you reckon one of the kinds of parrying dagger is what he's thinking of as a poniard?

  • @daniellacalle5387
    @daniellacalle5387 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you mind if I ask when the side ring starts to be seen on swords?

  • @ostrowulf
    @ostrowulf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel fencing dagger may work. I was thinking fighting dagger, but generally daggers are for fighting. However a bollocks dagger or a Rondell dagger are not exactly for fighting a sword.

  • @TJPenitencia
    @TJPenitencia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this! Matt, I would love it if you could provide some thoughts on the topic of handedness in historical sword development and use. We all know that orthodox right-handedness was dominant, but have there ever been examples or even traditions of left-handedness being formally recognized in Western martial systems?

    • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
      @b.h.abbott-motley2427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Various Renaissance manuals address the question of what to do against a left-handed opponent. Military manuals addressed what to do with left-handed soldiers as well, who wore their sidearm swords on the right instead of the left.

  • @philkrebb3648
    @philkrebb3648 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. But I want to go on records to say that I want my basement wall to look like Matt's garage door display and collection rack. 😁

  • @harrykouwen1426
    @harrykouwen1426 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder, have there been bucklers made and used with a sharp edge? Sounds to me rather convenient when as you mentioned, you dropped or lost your sword.

  • @TheGhost-7002
    @TheGhost-7002 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You gonna do a vid on Seki Sensei’s new vid on Raipiers? He seems to have more questions on the Raipier than the Longsword.

  • @braddbradd5671
    @braddbradd5671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Id like to see that big dagger in action catching swords what do you do once you catch it stab them ?

  • @ShagShaggio
    @ShagShaggio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome daggers.
    Cheers!

  • @gregcampwriter
    @gregcampwriter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We're not sure, but one thing we know for a certainty was that the motivation was sinister.

    • @NevisYsbryd
      @NevisYsbryd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stealth pun

  • @vedymin1
    @vedymin1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A question...what would be the difference in relying on active defence when wearing chainmail vs plate ? I imagine that in plate you could just walk into many blows and ignore them, besides those from the most powerful weapons. How would that work with mail tho ? Do you fight relying upon it ? Or do you fight as if you don't have it and treat it as insurance if you eff up ?

  • @richardhenry1969
    @richardhenry1969 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When does a dagger become a short sword?
    What determine a dagger from a small sword?
    One other question ive always wondered.
    Back in the say time of crusades did a soldier have different type of swords or did they have one sword one spear ?
    Or did they carry different kinds of swords.
    Anyone?

  • @DeanNatheos-i2t
    @DeanNatheos-i2t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent thanks 👍.

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can you use those left handed daggers as utility tools just like bushcraft knives today?

  • @zarizak3964
    @zarizak3964 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, if I wanted to get a dagger like the one being held in the intro, where would I find one? Is it called something in particular? Just searching parrying dagger or left hand dagger gives me similar results, but nothing as bold as that guard

  • @benschwader4537
    @benschwader4537 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was wondering, because I saw one for sale, how effective a smatchet was in combat?

  • @Milkthief
    @Milkthief 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think main gauche is a fine name for them, it does just mean left hand, but it also is pretty synonymous with the dagger (at least in video games and such).

  • @KGatLC
    @KGatLC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful dagger.

  • @AdlerMow
    @AdlerMow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about dagger and shield (lost your sword), or dagger and stick? Are medieval shortswords actually parrying daggers?

  • @christianroberts8134
    @christianroberts8134 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dang it Matt, I thought you were going to highlight some great hand weapon for us 'Sinister' fans! Still very cool.

  • @corneliussulla9963
    @corneliussulla9963 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Have you ever done a fight scene review of The Last of the Mohicans? I cant find any.
    Tomahawk+Longhunter knife, would be an interesting topic I think.

  • @Burnishedsilver
    @Burnishedsilver 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think there became a tendency tward having guards that held the sword further from the body, which invited more opertunities to control the opponents blade. I think dangers are better at controlling your opponents blade than bucklers . Anecdotally I usually fight with wooden swords at slow slower tempo and this also invites more opertunities to control as aposed to the need for hard blocks. And daggers out preform shields in that environment as well.

  • @manfredconnor3194
    @manfredconnor3194 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Matt, will a buckler really help you ward off a blow from a halberd? I would think it would deflect most blows quite well, but if someone really wails away at you with a halberd, an axe, a war hammer, a two-handed sword or a poleax, is a buckler or a left handed dagger really going to help save your ass?
    What do you think is better in each situation a buckler or a left-handed dagger?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The buckler and sword parry together at the same time, as a unit.

    • @matthewrios7549
      @matthewrios7549 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@scholagladiatoriaHay man let ask seki sensei made a new video about rapier can you please 🙏🙏🙏🙏 react to

  • @SingularityOrbit
    @SingularityOrbit 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thinking about using the weapon as one's only weapon, I have a new appreciation for why it's called a "left hand" dagger. You can use your off hand to parry while your more dextrous dominant hand is free to grapple. If you can catch the opponent's weapon with the dagger, then grip their arm or sleeve while closing in, then they're completely out of line and trapped inside your dagger's range. It's essentially the sword vs spear tactical problem in a different scale -- and using your free man to trap the longer weapon works the same way.

  • @michaelmorgan9973
    @michaelmorgan9973 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Review of said dagger coming up I hope. I'd like to know the dimensions.

  • @Leftyotism
    @Leftyotism 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best part about "left hand daggers" is, that you can use them with your right hand as well. 🥰

  • @boydgrandy5769
    @boydgrandy5769 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did the dagger come into use partly because less body armor was being worn, even in a military context? Against an unarmored opponent, especially in a civilian duel, two stabby things, one shorter, lighter and quicker for parry and thrust, might have been advantageous over either no dagger or a buckler? Seems to me that while an opponent was concentrating on the sword point, you could sneak a dagger thrust from an unexpected quarter on him.

  • @otxoawolf9054
    @otxoawolf9054 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would love to see cloak and dagger discussed.

  • @PJDAltamirus0425
    @PJDAltamirus0425 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait, with the way the large parrying dagger it designed, you could flatofmystrong!!! A thrust aside. :p The dreaded JC lives!

  • @koosh138
    @koosh138 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    and without the buckler, you won't have to worry about all the clanging noise following you everywhere

  • @rylie8989
    @rylie8989 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tbh would love to see more about heavy duty parrying dagger vs halberd. Matt kinda seemed to be more confidant about its chances than I would have expected? But maybe he just meant in comparison to trying to use a small dagger vs a halberd?