Battle of Klokotnitsa 1230 - Medieval Game of Thrones DOCUMENTARY
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Kings and Generals animated historical animated documentary series on the Byzantine-Crusader-Bulgarian Wars, as well as the Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople, fragmentation, and restoration of the Eastern Roman Empire and Frankokratia continues with the aftermath of the battle of Adrianople of 1205 ( • Battle of Adrianople 1... ) as Bulgarian Empire, Latin Empire, Niceaen Empire, Seljuk Sultanate of Rum, Venetians and others are jockeying for power in the Balkans and Anatolia. In this video, we will focus on the battles of Klokotnitsa, Beroia, and Antioch-on-the-Meander.
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Byzantine Empire Strikes Back - Battle of Nikiou 646 - • Byzantine Empire Strik...
Siege of Constantinople 717-718 - Arab-Byzantine Wars - • Siege of Constantinopl...
Pliska 811 - Byzantine - Bulgarian Wars - Pliska 811 - Byzantine - Bulgarian Wars
Versinikia 813 - Byzantine - Bulgarian Wars - • Versinikia 813 - Byzan...
Third Crusade 1189-1192: From Hattin to Jaffa - • Third Crusade 1189-119...
Basil II - Reformer, Restorer, Bulgarslayer - • Basil II - Reformer, R...
Creation of the Medieval Roman Army - • Creation of the Mediev...
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I Will this is awesome can you do more of the expansion of muslims
Normally I'd be excited for a 40K video game but I don't serve the Corpse Emperor.
Yo
make a video on chola navy and its tactics and campaign on south east asia
You deleted your racist-supporting reply without apology, you kept the racist comment, and you didnt respond to me! 3 more mistakes beside your initial mistake!
If I made a mistake I will correct it or I will apologize, otherwise I will be weak and ignorant.
Shame on you if you think and support the idea that muslims were slain like sheep. The only sheep is you and Hannibal were riding you very hard. İs that ''Hillarious and very well said!'' in terms of your logic and justice. @Kings and Generals the neutral and good history teller!
Those Bulgarians look pretty prized to take Constantinople, it's a good thing that there are no longer any major nomads that are going to invade from the Steppe. Yep, things are looking good for the Bulgarian Empire.
"Nothing bad ever happens to the Bulgarians!"
Said the Bulgarian ruler, moments before his wagon crashed and turned over.
I literally forgot that the Mongols were going to wreck Eastern Europe lol
Would be funny if some guys from asia would come and wreck eastern europe
Second Bulgaria Empire was most powerful empire in the world in the time of Ivan Asen II
@@Nomadicenjoyerplus Wrong. Around his time, the Mongols have already destroyed the Khwaresmian Empire, vassalized the Tangut Kingdom, utterly crushed the Chinese Jin Dynasty, and humbled the Korean kingdom of Goreyo. The Mongol Empire at the time was the strongest in the world.
Theodore Laskaris gets his head smahed open with a mace which lead to his capture and then wakes up decapitating his captor
Absolute gigachad
Confused me too, how is he still alive and is able to strike the horse and enemy king.
Historians from both sides talking about tough helmet of Laskaris. Sultan thought he was dead but he was anconcious for seconts. Sultan didnt watch him wake up and he cut the horses leg. Sultan was down and a roman soldier cut of his head and put it on a pile....
Whenever a person of nobility is captured by Byzantine after losing a battle
"Guess I will become blind"
Only if he was allied to Byzantines before. Blindness was the punishment for Treasory. According to Roman Law.
They also believed that it was not their place to take a life - that was only for God to do. So blinding was used instead.
Dukas: i'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Ivan Assen II: Overconfidence is a slow and insidous killer
I literally laughed at it when he failed 😂
Ivan Asen II had his head on straight. In an environment of war, intrigue, & egotism, he kept his cool & seems to have walked through the muck without getting dirty.
Props to K&G for tackling a very busy & complex time period.
This was certantly a very challenging video to make for everyone involved and we are grateful for your comment and support
Don't worry, in the next chapter he will manage to fumble the play very hard... but I will not spoil.
l really like Ivan asen ll he isn't just a blood crazy conqueror like his father but an intelligent deplomat who seem to always think twice before doing anything he also seem to be a capable general
In a series filled with impulsive and crazy monarchs who achieve a lot only to have it all stripped away the moment they die, it is nice to have someone who is more stable and balanced.
In Bulgaria we call his reign the second golden age of Bulgaria. The first being the reign of Simeon I.
He was liked that until the last couple years of his death. Then he did the same thing with his alliance with Vatatzes that Theodore Komneos did with him, he betrayed him. After hat, his wife, the patriarch and his son were struck down by sickness and died. He took that as divine punishment so he withdrew his armies from the siege of Constantinople and renewed his alliance with Vatatzes.
He was also incredibly merciful to the captured Greeks and let them go home.
The same can't be said about Basil II.
Well if by "blood crazy conqueror" you mean Kaloyan, that's his uncle not his father. His father is Ivan Asen I who established the second bulgarian state together with his brother Theodore-Petar
Pope: excommunicates Epirote ruler
Epirote peasants: when exactly were we supposed to be catholic..?
I was thinking the same thing, lol.
Excommunication means he is not considered part of the so called "Christian family" and all Christian nations can attack the excommunicated without any legal or religious repercussions. It was definitely a big thing at the time. Remember that Urban's call for crusade in 1095 changed history forever. Christianity in Middle Ages was a different beast and was not dead like nowadays.
@@DonDiego724 The "Catholic" family, not Christian. Epirus was an overwhelmingly Eastern Orthodox and so didn't recognize the Pope as a figure with true authority over Christianity.
Epirus
The fourth Cursade is like game of throne but on steroids
Oh really. You have to read more about medieval romania, and you will see the real deal.
@@comradekenobi6908 extra credits about Vlad iii is the best i can give you.
"They opened the gates and my father sacked the city..."
The whole of medieval history is like the Game of Thrones on steroids.
@@cgt3704 What exactly do you mean by "Medieval Romania"? You see tha map, right? We can speak about the "Medieval European union" with the same success.
Theodore Doukas was the Bannerlord, until he became over-confident.
Gee, some Turkish game studio should make a game based on this. Maybe some type of RPG where you can lead your armies...... (jks)
butterlord*
Doukas proved himself to be an a**hole. He had the perfect opportunity to attack Constantinople and probably even become Emperor and decided to backstab his ally instead.
@@Iason29 In the most typical Greek fashion...
What else you can really expect from a greek?
Dukas probably pulled off the biggest "Big brain logic" known to mankind. Ivan showed a lot of restraint here and was an absolute Chad for sparing the lives of the soldiers of the opposing side.
He was a strong but good man 🙂
@@patrickmunneke8348 was it? He spared their lives and gave them parting gifts, so every city and every castle on the Balkans threw open its gates for him.
It was a master stroke!
I'm Bulgarian and me and many others consider Ivan Asen II to be the best Bulgarian ruler in history. Diplomacy should always win out in the end.
If you want to rank them by diplomatic prowess and peacefulness he is still second. Peter outclassed him. But granted, Ivan Asen II accomplished with diplomacy as much as Simeon accomplished with armies.
@@cowboybeboop9420 There is no better diplomatic ruler in Bulgarian history than Boris I.
That man had legendary shrewdness.
This comment won't age well
@@Shuforces1 Lol, Boris I was a brilliant diplomat but you have to remember he massacred a large portion of the bulgar nobility when they didn’t want to convert to Christianity and also blinded his own son. I think he was more hardcore than Ivan Asen II. The latter is the best medieval bulgarian diplomat imo.
@@simeongeorgiev852 Boris the 1st* not the 3rd.
Boris the 3rd was legendary as well.
Imagine being a regular trooper back in these times...
Not a good time when you are not even sure what side you're on
Well I wouldn't mind being a crusader when Constantinople was sacked although i hate the crusaders for that but i would've been crazy rich if i sacked Constantinople
@@enrico7474 unless you died in the fight first!
@@petros311 that would be the biggest bruh moment
"I've been looking forward to this" - allowing such good visualisation of the Crusades is very helpful for my style of learning!
We hope you enjoy this, the map and constantly shifting alligiences were not easy for our animators to represent but I hope you are as happy with the final product as we are!
@@KingsandGenerals we are most happy indeed thank you 🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏👏
Balkans being Balkans before being "Balkans" existed.
I was at Klokotnitza 10 years ago. Beautiful Village with small river. I couldn't imagine a big battle there but locals showed me the place where Theodore was captured.
Okay, why does no one ever talk about Antioch on the Meander? We talk about god-tier moves, but I don't think I've ever seen such an absolute boss move as surviving a mace to the head, then cutting your opponent's horse down and decapitating him.
A clash that determined the outcome on a local and then regional level really deserves to be discussed and we hope this addition ligths the spark.
@Aq Qoyunlu Stay calm dude. Ibn bibi said he killed by a Latin but none of them could have survived. Turks lost the battle from romans. Other they win. Get over it!
@Aq Qoyunlu it sounds like a scene from a movie right. two rulers duel each other. Great propaganda piece. Also, the Assassination story could also be propaganda. assassin not only kill him but brought his head to the emperor. Sound sketchy. Sultan probably gets too confident in his numbers and his army's success and lets his guard down. Killed by an arrow or sudden cavalry attack. That's why the most important man in the battle is the commander himself. He must always be in a good protective position.
Meanwhile in the East...
Genghis Khan: it's time.
Good timing too
Then in a remarkable turn out of events a Bulgarian peasant also says "It's timeeee"(While feeding the pigs which were not even his). A few years later, little that the world knew that He will become a King by defeating both the Mongols and the Byzantines at the same time while managing to leaving absolutely no mark on history. Well apart from his name Ivaylo The Cabbage ... Some times history is the greatest meme.
Theodore cutting the horse's leg and than decapitating Kaykusraw. That's a scene made for hollywood right there
It's a good lesson imo that Theodore involuntarily taught- no matter how successful you were you could lose everything with one mistake and overconfidence
Ivan Asen II: "In the year 6738 (1230) i Ivan Asen, in Christ and God faithfull tsar and ruler of bulgarians, son of the old tsar Asen, i built from the ground up this holly church in the name of the 40 martyr saints, with who's help in the 12-th year of my reign, as this temple was being built i went to war with Romania and defeated the greek army. And their tsar Theodore Komnenos i took hostage, with all his bolyars and all the land from Adrianople to Dyrrachium - greek, albanian and serbian. The francs ruled only the cities around Tsarigrad, and they also had to bow under the right of my tsardom, because they had no other tsar except me, and thanks to me they would live out their days because God intented it. Because without Him neither deed or word matters." - written in stone in the church "Holly 40 martyr saints" in Veliko Tarnovo.
They should make an assassin's creed for this time period and geographic region.
There can be so many good settings for AC games, but Ubisoft doesn't capitalise
I highly agree and so many other periods too for all over the world,like Komnenian Restoration Era, Genpei War, Song or Jin Dynasty periods, Mayan city states Era, Thirty Years War etc... but unfortunately just like most companies they only focus on the more famous or overrated parts of history. For example if they ever make a Feudal Japan game it will most certainly be during the Sengoku Era
it doesnt even have to be an ac game. I would much more prefer a game simillar to kingdom come deliverance
@@Sandouras it was in AC2 - revelations that Ezio went to Constantinople (AC3 was during American Revolution)
Painting the side that won/survived in history as "good guys" is pretty standart in AC, after all, if Ezio's main enemies were the Ottomans, he would have done lots of killing that Ubisoft couldn't fit in the game narrative. (I dont quite agree with the way they paint the historical characters in the games, although its compreensive why they do so)
@@thesilentassassin1167 meanwhile at Ubisoft: *making their fifth game set during colonial era in Western Europe*
All of history: “am I a joke to you”
(Sorry forgot about the ancient ones like the Greek, ancient Egyptian, and Valhalla. Been a while since I played ac)
Emperor of Romans, Bulgarians... and *others*
*Balkan disrespect intensifies*
He had no time to talk about the others.
@@christos.5302 Thank you for the heads-up Mr. Obvious.
Fun fact: It was in this period of decentralization that the different successor states began to adopt classical Greek administrative institutions that were much more effective and simpler to manage for smaller states.
In Thesaloniki the popular masses "Demes" were granted the right to choose an "Archon" to rule the city but being monitored by an "Epitropes" chosen by the state following the ancient Macedonian institutions.
In Ioannina, Mystras and Lacedaemonia, the Spartan diarchia was applied. A popular archon as in Thesaloniki would be chosen by the masses but the state would also appoint an imperial archon for governmental interest.
And finally the state of Nicaea and Trebizonda divided their territories into "strategiai" governed by a toparch following institutions of the classical pontic kingdoms.
@@jong.7944 IIt was a bad sign indeed, the fact that they had to adopt these institutions reveals the bad shape of the state.
@@Georgios1821 Not entirely. The Roman Empire of the 10th century was more attached to the Hellenistic monarchies. Institutions such as those of the Exarchate of Heraclius or the archons of Basil II had their origin in the Hellenic administration before the Roman one. The purpose of these historians is not to spread a propaganda but to highlight the differences which many do not take well.
"I've even heard a few historians who say the Roman Empire was never restored because Nicaea was very different from the empire that went before it." This statement is completely true in many ways.
@@user-ll9hb3sd8h For this reason many contemporary historians consider the State of Nicaea as the first modern Greek nation-state. The emperors of Nicaea still hold of course the title of "Basileus Rhomaion", but now they also were ponting out their Greek origins and ethnic identity. Ioannis Vatatzes in his letter to Pope Gregory IX answers proudly that he is Greek, ponting out to him that Constantine the Great passed the inheritance of the Roman rule ("Βασιλεια των Ρωμαιων") to the Greeks. So the rulers of Nicaea, they identified themselves as Greeks.
Interesting!
Damn the emperor of Nicaea was badass! Managed to turn the tables of the battle by killing the enemy sultan at the last second? Fucking amazing
@@nickers7409 cannot remember for the life of me because I posted this a year ago!
Yep
I'm a Bulgarian and loved this video!
We are glad you enjoyed it!
This period is one of the most complex there has ever been. Compliments Kings and Generals because you made it look so simple and it is far more easy to understand than it actually is. Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for your kind words!
Yeah, I remember looking this up and having a difficult time wrapping my head around it. But bravo to you Kings and Generals for making this easier to digest and having me dive into this period in greater detail!
theodore laskaris is just built different. Man just killed his opposing ruler in a battle lol.
Simeon was arguably the most powerful ruler of the First Bulgarian Empire. Ivan Asen II was arguably the most powerful ruler of the Second Bulgarian Empire. BTW his dynastic marriages with the Hungarian and Serbian royal courts have greatly contributed to the decline of the Bulgarian state after him, because the offspring of these marriages used their family ties to Bulgaria in order to annex Bulgarian border regions.
You can't point his dynastic relations with Hungary, or Serbia.First of all Hungarians seized the land untill the old border (Belgrade,Branichevo) and they didn't tried to establish hegemony over Tarnovgrad throne,although the lands they conquered,they called Banate of Bulgaria.
As about Serbia, at that time Serbian kingdom wasn't even a factor in the Balkans and it wasn't a threat for Bulgarian empire at that time.
Things that lead to the collapse of the empire were the growing powerful Nicean Empire and ofc Mongols,who Ivan Asen II defeated in 1241,even if he had survive his ill in the same year his state would have been razed once again by Mongols.
Two rulers met and fought against each other, 1 literally killed the other. Mad scenes.
9:03 That is a movie level plot twist!
It's interesting how history is directly connected to us not simply as a nation,culture etc but on familial and personal level. This battle of Klokotnitsa for example, is one of the main reasons I am here today. Let me explain, I have traces my family tree back to this very battle. What happened in the aftermath is that the Bulgarian emperor Ivan Asen II decided to place a border garrison just few kilometres away from Klokotnitsa to the north-east. Just to make sure if another invasion happened, he would have someone engaging it. Such invasion never came however and the tsar completely forgot about the soldiers he appointed there,so they being from northern Bulgaria, mainly the capital of Tarnovo and its surrounding lands send people to gather their families, possessions and other belongings and settled the region of their camp. This place became the village of Dobrich in southeastern Bulgaria - not to be confused with the Bulgarian city of Dobrich in Northeastern Bulgaria. So why do I say this? It is because my family is from that village and their family tree is directly linked to the fate of these soldiers I just talked about. So, yes - thanks to this battle,and the decision of the emperor in the battle's aftermath my family came to be as it is today. Good stuff and great work you do with these videos. Warm regards from Bulgaria. Also, I live near the village of Klokotnitsa where the river of that battle is locates. There is a monument of Ivan Asen II there at the place where he captured his rival.
Great video again! I loved how you recreated the crucial Battle of Antioch on Meander in 1211 AD. It's one of the rare cases in History, in which the fate of the battle was decided by a fight between the two rulers, the Basileus Theodore Laskaris and the Sultan Kaykhusraw. In that point i would like to add that the Laskarids were one of the greatest Byzantine dynasties. They started with nothing, basically only with the city of Nikaea, and in 60 years succeeded to defeat the Seljuks, then the Latins, and then the Bulgars (2nd Battle of Kleidion in February of 1255 AD), restoring a large part of the ERE territory, and open the way for Michael Palaiologos to recapture Constantinople, a couple of years after the decisive victory in the Battle of Pelagonia. Especially John III Vatatzes was one of the greatest Basileus ever. He was not only a good military leader, but also an excellent administrator and diplomat, and foremost a very good ruler for his people, who made him Saint, after his death. And of course Vatatzes and his son Theodore were the Basileus who were proud to express their Greek origin and inheritance.
Very well said!
John III Vatatzes alexios komnenos and his john komenos were the best emperors in late byzantine era specially after the defeat of manzikert.unfortunatelly the others dynasties (angelos and palaiologian) arent worthy..
@@user-jz7pq7iz8h The Angelos and Palaiologos dynasties were really disastrous no doubt. But the Laskarids of Nikaea, were a really good dynasty, the last good one...
@@pseudomonas03 yep exactly,its a sad fact that the succesor of john vatazes was too young to rule and michael palaiologos blind him...the commoners love the Laskarids family..
@@user-jz7pq7iz8h Indeed. For this reason the majority of the people didn't recognize Michael Palaiologos as the legitimate ruler.
Nicean Empire deserves more recognition from the modern world.
@@Billswiftgti The vast majority of greeks citizens have no idea about this state.
@@Billswiftgti Fair enough!
@@Billswiftgti Nicea and the other successor states are less appreciated in history, they need more recognition.
@@Billswiftgti you and me both brother.
Succesor states are the first modern greek states. Ethnic cultural amd political.
Empire after restoration was also a greek state in same terms.
West hates eastern roman empire because they clame roman history.
Modern europe accept only charlemagne not justinian or heraclius. Thats the reason of E.U. faile. Its germanik not european. They dont accept greek or slavic heritage as european.
9:08 That must been one heck of one on one duel between the two rulers on the field! This is why it's a bad idea for commanders to duel. If you get killed, even if you have a numerically superior army, their morale would drop like a rock and they will route.
Actually Latin knights piersed turkish lines 2 times. Roman historians write that each one killed 10 enemies. When they killed romans where on the run. Sultan searched for Laskaris... So you are right...
"The despotate of Epirus is regaining greek territory, allied Bulgaria have stable relationship with its neighbours and have a huge army of german knight to retake constantinople and revenge the fourth crusade."
Me: this isn't the history I know. Shouldn't the Empire of Nicaea the one who retake the Capital ? What is this Mandela effect I am having here?
"That moron Dukas attack Bulgaria"
Me: Oh
A truly weird plot twist that literally nobody saw coming, one which prolonged the conflict with at least 30 years and exhausted the manpower and treasury of everyone involved.
Literally sitting here in awe of the stupidity of that decision, dude played his cards perfectly for decades only to fuck it up at the end
@@theobush439 Well, if he had won, he would have been the first greek to retake Bulgaria after centuries.
The amount of prestige of such an achievement could have probably influenced public opinion in the whole region, making populace and minor nobles allies, getting control of vast territories witouht the need of a fight.
I believe that's also the reason of why he took his court on campaign. To make the nobility sees his might and completely accept his majesty and claim to the throne of Constantinople (also, these people would have spread the word of Doukas' accomplishments once back home, spreading tales of his grandeur).
Furthermore, taking bulgaria meant securing western flank of the ERE, giving it space to rest and grow and allowing the Byzantines to later focus on the east.
It was a superb move IMHO, just executed poorly (moving the army too slowly, giving Bulg. time to prepare) against a very smart and cunning opponent
@@Baktrianos after centuries? Try with 50 years. Basil II placated the Bulgarian nobility and the country was lost because Isaac II was an idiot.
@@Baktrianos "first greek to retake Bulgaria"
looks somebody wants to get their eyes gouged out -Basil II the Bulgarslayer
Meanwhile
Knights in Levant: Shouldn't you guys be crusading here to retake Jerusalem?
Pope: Nah, we're gonna retake Thessalonica which was never supposed to be taken in the first place.
Maybe something a new Total War Medieval III will focus on. Make it happen!!
Or just play medieval kingdoms 1212 ad mod for TW Attila that kings and Generals youtube channel use in every video
I want to see the mongols and timurids come crashing in
we need post Reformation early modern europe first tho
The number of things happening at the same time, changes of alliance etc, is hard to keep track of
That is very true and a big reason this period doesen't get a lot of coverage, but I hope the writing, editing, animation and music make for a good expiriance and shed light on this mostly uncharted territory!
Proffessor: Shortly explain what happened in the Balkans in 13th century.
Student: Dude noone can do this.
Ivan Assen II and all of his successors styled themselves "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Greeks" following the Battle of Klokotnitsa, and especially after the restoration of the Bulgarian Patriarchate in 1235. The narrator confusing it with "King" is probably due to the fact that the title "Tzar" has since devolved to mean King in Bulgarian, but in Medieval Bulgaria it was equivalent to Emperor.
I was hoping Theodore and company would walk into a valley...you know, just for fun.. those Bulgarian valleys are seem to be deadly! :D
As Bulgarian I thanks you so much for covering our history, mad respect guys🙏
It is Balkan history not just bulgarian tho
@@giorgoskatsarakis9652 You’re completely right,.
@@giorgoskatsarakis9652 I wonder whether Bulgarian rulers are known in Greece. Do you learn about any of them in school?
@@boyanbogdanov1854 In school they view bulgaria as a state and dont examine its rulers very much.This is so far i havent finished school so this might change next yyear when we will reanilise byzantine history
The battle at Antioch on the Meander is such an epic event 💪🏻🇬🇷 Theodore literally achieved a miracle
In which country antioch of meander is located today?
Who are people living inside of it?
Dnt be mad, we lost spain too... So no big deal
@@ahmadofephesus3542 πανε στα τουρκικα βιντεο να σπαμαρεις με τα σδερφια τους τουρκους τις κατσαριδες εδω ειναι ευρωπαικη ιστορια
@@ahmadofephesus3542 the descendents of the greek inhabitants of course.
@@ahmadofephesus3542 in case you need a translation they say : «i am a "big baby" racist following the chrysē-augē neo-nazi party and i hate you for no "adult" reason»
@@manapo8205 I believe it was him who was bragging about the ethnic cleansing of the Greek Orthodox population in Anatolia and its replacement by Turkic or Islamized peoples.
Also it is funny that some Turks keep mentioning golden dawn (which I despise and did not get enough votes to even enter Greek parliament) when their equivalent violent nationalist party (the grey wolves and its political wing the MHP) are in the coalition government of Turkey.
I guess for you nationalism is bad unless it is Turkish nationalism...
My god what a mess, so many alliances, pretenders, betrayals, plots and intrigues, and I thought the crisis of the 3rd century was complicated, anyway, always satisfying to see the latin empire tooking it's deserved beating
We are glad you enjoyed the carnage!
@@KingsandGenerals Wow you answered me, when will the third season of arab conquests come? I'm eager for the remake of the siege of constantinople, your channel is the best channel in youtube btw
Our team is doing are best to give you good quality videos, but that takes a lot of time, but it wont be too long!
@@KingsandGenerals you are the best
Im greek and even though I never partook in the public education system where they spent years teaching byzantine history to kids I always felt I missed out and the reason I hardly understood the period was cause I thought I was dum or something. After watching this video I no longer feel guilty.
Theodore Lakarsis the absolute unit
Basically the Aragorn of ERE
I would love a total war game in this time period
In Crusader Kings III this is a headache of a region to be a noble... Lots of "red weddings"!
Medieval 2 exists...
Well there's medieval kingdoms mod for Total war Attila
1212 ad is awesome
Medieval 2 Crusades?
Theodoros I Laskares, Ioannes III Doukas Vatatzes and Theodoros II Laskares. Three great emperos who never sit on the throne of Byzantion.
Baldwin II watching himself being surrounded by Bulgarians from the west and Nicaeans from the east.
**chuckles**: I'm in danger
The politics, betrayals, and wars of the Balkans over recorded history are so labyrinthine that it seems impossible to be reality sometimes. Almost like it was written by an author intent on confounding the reader.
Cannot praise this series enough. I can't wait for the conclusion! I would still like to recommend an episode on the Ivaylo uprising which this period dovetails into. Keep up the great work.
Ivan Asen II : Kings of Bulgarian,Roman,and other people
Cumans: tf we just "other people" to you?
Romanians(His own people bassically):😪
He could not claim to be the King of Cumans because Cumans had their own King. Declaring himself King of Cumans would be a huge diplomatic strike agains Cumania and would provoke a war with the Cuman state and probable rebelions by Cumans.
So, Ivan Asen II was a smart man.
I love the sound of the units cracking when they're defeated.
Bulgaria: "Belgrade, by the marriage of ..."
Belgrade: "Say no more. We're yours again?"
Bulgaria: "Well ... yes"
Belgrade: "Here we go again ..."
This was really one of the most confusing, interesting and fun to watch episodes you ever made. Well done guys!
Thank you for your support!
"Passport please...thank you. So what is your business here?"
"I would just like to cross the country with my army"
"I see, no problem, that would be one princess please".
"One whole princess, just to cross the country? That's a bit expensive don't you think?"
"Well it is with a whole army, but you can just go around if you don't want to pay"
"Screw that, do you know how much marching is involved in a Crusade? My legs and sword arm are sore from all the marching and Muslim slaying, I just want to get home and read a book in my room for the next few weeks.
All right you have a deal, one Princess it is".
Slaying my ass, the Hungarian crusade achieved literally nothing, they won no battles, sacked few undefended towns, and whimped out after getting their asses kicked.
As a bulgarian i liked this video, but there are several mistakes:
- Sevastokrator (title) Strez was Borils brother and commander of Tzar Kaloyans guard, he never liked the way his brother take the throne but join him because of Latins and Epirus
- Slav was Kaloyans nephew - he hated bolth Boril and Strez - he was so powerful that Henry give him his daughter and title despot.
When Henry and Boril made peace hi join Epirus as an ally. After Ivan Asen II come Slav become his ally.
How Tzar Kaloyan died:
1. Natural death - he had severe head trauma that may caused death
2. Plot from Boril to usurp the throne
There was not pro cumman plot
You are indeed correct on Strez and Slav, which were almost cut from the scenaario which already had way too many figures. As for the death of Kaloyan, we don't know for certain how it happened, but all the evidence points towards a cuman plot. The marriage of his widow to Boril, the two camps at the walls of Thessalonica(Bulgarian and Cuman, rather than one camp), his death occuring the day before the planned assault on the walls, every sign points towards a violent death.
@@KingsandGenerals - true but why cummans will kill their golden guise - Kaloyan give them many victories with many gold, horses and slaves. He give them land in Moldova and Wallachia.
If Kaloyan was killed, it hurts but most likely was killed by Boril not Manaster.Cumans kept the alliance with Bulgaria because in that time they had bad relations with russians and hungarians .They didnt have other chose. Boril benefits greatly by Kaloyans death, cumans not. Always search the motive.
Unfortunately we will never know the real true. We dont have credible information.
Здр.
@@jivkotodorov84 You realise that if Kaloyan managed to conquer Thessaloniki (Which was very likely to happen) his way to Constantinople and Bulgaria becoming a superpower on the Balkans was wide open, and that don't sit well with the cumans since Bulgaria wouldn't need them anymore and that golden guise instead of just dead, becomes an enemy most likely.
Tl:dr If Kaloyan succeeds in conquering Thessalonika and Constantinople would mean end of alliance with Cumans and maybe even campaigns into their territories beyond the Danube
@@podlodialgilap3490 - nope, he cannot take Constantinople because he didnt have navy nor ally with strong navy to counter Venice, or you forget for that.
Olso Bulgaria needed cumans againts Hungary which wanted Belgrade, Branichevo, Moldova and Wallachia.
Asen dynasty was probably cuman origin and most of bulgarian aristocracy had cuman blood by one way or the other.
Olso before to run in Russia Ivan Asen II and his brother Alexander were taken by loyal man to cummans, after Boril married to Cegulba they go to the russians.
If the cumans really killed their uncle why they will run to them and why cummans didnt killed them ?
Boril become Tzar, he is the killer if Kaloyan was killed, because he benefit most of the Kaloyans death. Thats is the main theory in Bulgarian history.
Bulgaria on three seas!
Damn! I love history but I don't remember this from history class back in the day, probably was too young. So that's how we became an empire on the Balkans, feels good. Lucky us there aren't any crazy nomad horse people that will come from the steppes, or a muslim empire from Anadola by the end of the 13th century.
The village Klokotnitsa still has the same name and is still here to this day.
Айде, българиии!!! Thank you for making these videos! History becomes even more interesting!!!
Can you believe Bulgaria isn't included in any of the big historic franchises, Total war, Civilization, etc. It's a shame.
its in age of empires 2, and a city state in Civilization
By the way, this video is exactly giving us the idea why the Ottomans went through the region not long after this period and with such an ease. Not only they were dealing with plenty of tiny but shady feudal lords, there must have more importantly been the general feel amongs the populace as a whole of "we dont quite like those guys but thank God they put some degree of order and peace".
That was merely the first reason. The second was the mongol invasion. And the third and most tragic reason was brought by the second. The damn plague itself. Nearly 80% of the balkan population was wiped out by it. Many manuscripts depict emptied castles trying to fend off the ottomans with handfull of men in it. Valiant sacrifice, yet in vain.
A lot of mistake have been made in this movie but the most disturbing is the “cuman” rebellion in Vidin. The rebellion was of the Bulgarian nobility plotting against Boril. He was not able to stop them so he ask for military aid from Hungary. When the Hungarian army besieged Vidin in witch the rebels hided. During the siege part of the Hungarian army scout the area and founded a cuman detachment wondering nearby. They defeated it and they fled. That’s all , noting to do with the rebels. All this is well documented in Hungarian royal charter granted to the commander of the Hungarian army after the war.
The Cumans were a significant part of the state at that time, so it makes sense to call it a rebellion. Like many things in this series, it may be confusing to have Cumans inside the Bulgarian state and Cumans outside of it with different interests, but that was the case. The Cumans made their way up to the royal court and called many shots and when they were unhappy like many other nobles all over history, they rebelled.
@@KingsandGenerals the document states the reality of the rebellion very clearly . History is based on documents not speculations. As for the so called “cuman influence in state and politics this is yet another myth builded on assumptions and speculations not documented facts. But is useless to discuss it because I have to write a how artical in a comment section and no body would care to read it and think on it accept for some Bulgarian enthusiasts. Sadly this stupid theory that was never proven by historical sources is gaining international ground thanks to Bulgarian historians who when couldn’t explain something just use cuman argument.
Ivan Asen II seeing his ally invade him be like "BRUH"
Yeah, I don't find myself cheering very often for the Bulgarian kings, but in this case I was thinking, "Do it. Defeat the creep."
@@trisblackshaw1640 Bulgarians never used the title king...
@@aleksandarstoichev5463 I know. I'm an English speaker so I used the first word that came to mind. I'm not apologising for that. Also in the 20th century, they kind of... did?
@@trisblackshaw1640 bruh and you shouldn't.But it sounds weird and it's completely wrong ruler title,like saying knyaz instead prince for example
@@trisblackshaw1640 what do u mean?Almost no one of the Slavic nation rulers until ww1 used title of king,with the expection of Serbian and (lately) Montenegrin monarchs
Incredible video. That time period, especially the one presented here and all the events, plots, etc. is so complex that I'm literally astounded how you managed to present it in such detail. Great work!
Never mess with the Bulgarians!
@@wankawanka3053 well they both are dead while Bulgaria stands, so not so much "yeah right" anymore. ;)
@@wankawanka3053 Can you show me the Ottoman empire on the map? Or the Eastern Roman Empire? I can show you Bulgaria anytime.
@@hristiyanhristov2480 still a lot weaker than the descendants of the other 2 states.
A simply outstanding video. It is remarkable how you are able to explain-and show-such a dynamic and turbulent time so clearly. Great job!
Excellent job on such a complex and complicated topic! Huge respect for the effort and accuracy 💜
Bulgaria: why do I hear boss music from the East?
*Tuvan boss throat singing
Amazing video, I can only imagine the research that went into this to line up the events correctly
Theodore Laskaris to Kaykhusraw: And then I smashed her head in, like this! Seriously, though, did not expect such an epic dual.
The production value for this channel is insane. I think the format and some videos on pre-colonial African kingdoms would be pretty cool.
I am not even playing I didn't know a lot of this information. This is why I like history channels because we never stop learning. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Its literally carnage all over the place and i just love it!! As always amazing job guys, top quality!
I'm mid video at the moment of this comment, and I gotta say this is one of the most marvelous history videos I've ever seen
If history has taught me one thing
If you get your family and nobility for a battle? you are about to lose it
Indeed this seems to be a recurring theme in history that nobody learns from
Especially against Bulgarians.
@@silafuyang8675 at least you might have a cup after words
@@pyroshrimp4073 Pyro you are here as well that's like the 3 third time I've seen a comment of yours
@@borisnedev2615 I have over 1k comments somehow
Ivan Asen II showed clemency unheard of in these troubled times. I'm not sure the enemy soldiers attacking Bulgaria deserved to have their lives spared having in mind the object of the invasion they staged...
Great video! This is a fascinating period with all the intriguing and back stabbing. Really feels like it could have gone so many different ways.
Ivan Asen gained the support of simple Greeks who saw the treason of (well part of) their elite and their adoption of Catholicism.
He released the simple soldiers and treated the Orthodox aristocracy with respect.
He prepared carefully before shifting the sides and returned Bulgaria to the Orthodox communion
Tough times makes tough people. 1204-1261 era Byzantine society filled with cool people as Theodore Laskaris, Ioannis Vatatzes(One of my favorite and wisest one among all emperors to me) and Alexios Strategopoulos. Definitely need to check out more this era and people.
Byzantine history>game of thrones
I feel they would have tried making one by now if it wasnt hard to touch any political nerve with that brutal stuff. GoT has the benefit of being inspired by that it but as a fiction.
Any piece of medieval history > game of thrones
The western roman empire is more like the game of thrones Alot of war of the succeion for the throne and backstabbing by the emperor loyal guards
Nah more like Holy roman houses 😂
Goodness going from 3 years ago to now the commentator voice is drastically more enticing! Amazing work K&G thank you for all the content.
This is bittersweet. Great that you guys are covering more of the Bulgarian empire. But after the time of Ivan Asen II, we’ve been on a 900 year decline.
@Θ.Σ.Κ.30 this is true. Bulgaria has also outlasted every empire that has ever invaded it. I wouldn’t bet against us. We as people may not do well with prosperity, but we are champions of surviving and outlasting.
I'm very happy at how 1212 AD helps beef up the animations for the video, really adds to the experience!
Great video, very well documented! I was mostly aware of the Bulgarian side of the story (being Bulgarian myself) and the Latin Empire, wasn't aware how complex the situation was with the 3 Roman "Empires".
However, I can't help but not notice that the map of Bulgaria is not exactly complete to the north except Oltenia (I specifically say "complete" because I could be wrong). The extent of the Second Bulgarian Empire under Asen II was not just the newly conquered and vassalised lands of Doukas, he also ruled Muntenia and Moldova as well (the region in modern Romania). These lands were under direct Bulgarian control at least until 1330, with noticeable pauses due to the Tatar invasion. After the defeat at Velbuzd and the Wallachian victory at Posada against Hungary, it is believed that was the deciding moment the foundations of the modern Romanian state were formed, as Bulgaria never again had a stay or major influence on these lands after the Ottoman invasion.
Was this deliberately excluded to not offend Romanian viewers?
In order to understand the situation of the Second Bulgarian state in detail you need to visualise a slider with strong Bulgarian control and identity on one side and Cuman/Wlach identity on the other and remember that both sides have a very different version of nationality which is far from what arose centuries later. Another thing to remember is that the brothers who founded the state were nither Bulgarian, nor did they want to create a Bulgaria, their goal was to take the throne in Constantinople and start a new dynasty.
Now the slider constantly moves depending on the actions of the monarch and the needs of the Cumans who were a pagan force, interested in plunder and power. Ivan Asen II made a huge shift away from them and in responce he lost control over the lands beyond the Danube. Influence and some sort of power, could be imagined, but direct control as you called it is not possible. There was even a breakaway state in the northeast for a while and for most of this period, Drastar was a Pecheneg controlled autonomous state.
I hope you find this helpful and I'm happy you enjoyed the video!
@@KingsandGenerals this is an incredibly measured and well thought out response. Thank you for the great video as well.
@@KingsandGenerals Thank you for the thoughtful response, however my point was not national identity of the people that consisted within the Bulgarian Empire, nor was I trying to convey any such claim. It is well known that Cumans, Vlachs and Bulgarians were the core and ruling elite of the state that existed until the end of the XIV century, I do not deny there is indeed a more intricate side to the story, but I don't want to hide other aspects either. For one, I admit it was a bit of a stretch to refer to the ruling beyond the Danube "direct control" as very little is recorded for the cultural and political condition of those lands even during the first Bulgarian state, all we can conclude is that it was contested many times throughout its history, but it is mostly mystery and speculation, however, I think it is worth pointing out that Ivan Asen II was called many times "King/Emperor of Bulgarians and Vlachs" by foreign sources, so that is a strong indication in my opinion.
I will also dare say that Bulgaria had one of the biggest cultural and political influences in the region (which is hidden quite often in modern Romanian historiography), despite the shifting control in there, even after 1330, the newly formed Principality of Wallachia still acted as a vassal/close ally to the Bulgarian tsar, providing military aid and even reporting on border customs, which is something we have documents about at least.
Lastly, while this might sound small, but this is the first ever time I have heard of an autonomous Pecheneg controlled Drastar, I don't know where you might have heard of that, are you referring to the period between 1018 and 1185? If so, all I know that the city has suffered raids from the Pechenegs, but nothing beyond that.
Edit: Had to delete most of the section about Drastar because I thought you said Cumans during Ivan Asen's time, my mistake.
@@BanJanuka I believe those territories were more of a Vlach warlord and clan territories that were paying tribute and vassalage to Bulgaria, but were not a part of the country's territory. Tho i agree that the Bulgarian influence in that region was enormous and was being destroyed and hidden in recent centuries
Kaloyan states in one of his letters to the Pope: "... in accordance with the custom of my predecessors, the Tsars of the Bulgarians and the Wallachians - Simeon, Peter and Samuil, the ancestors of myself and of all other Tsars of the Bulgarians." seems that contradict with " ... nor did they want to create a Bulgaria". At least Kaloyan considers himself for successor of the first Tsars. Thanks for the best YT channel!
What an I interesting piece of history, of which I've basically never heard before
1185-1241 is such an awesome historical period in the balkans
What an inspiring Doc to play 1212 AD! Great thanks to Kings and General.
As a Bulgarian i can say some of this wasnt even tought at school . And i got always 6 in history 6=A so Thank you for the video . We were taught only the biggest battles and trivia.
Не знам ква шестица си имал, ако не си чувал за битката при Клокотница! Учи се и и начално училище, и в гимназия! 😅
@@simeongeorgiev852 Не за битката за началото на видеото , не сме учили много за политиката на съседните ни държави особенно ако не е било свързано с нас . Може да съм забравил но нямам спомен за първата половина на клипчето това което помня е точно само битката и някаква тривия около нея като факта че оня си е довел родата или ослепяванията .
Така е, но ако учиш история в университета, там по история на България учиш от българска гледна точка. Цялата геополитика на балканите се учи по история на Балканския полуостров. Просто в училище не учим за целите балкани. Ако темата ти е интересна ти препоръчвам книгата На проф. Христо Матанов.
Книгата е Средновековните балкани на Матанов. Много интересна и подробна. Толкова много нова информация за незапознатия читател за един регион и период, който е пренебрегван като цяло от западната историография.
So many bizarre things happened in this period that I wasn't even aware of.
Have to give Alexios III credit for trying to make a comeback amidst all the chaos. Was wondering what happened to him.
A fascinating period in Byzantine history and the broader region. Thanks Kings and Generals!
It is truly interesting how hard he tries to get back on the throne, the last stage of his life was a very desperate one. Thank you for your comment!
Love learning about the crusades, such amazing heroes on both sides 👍
Heroes in fourth Crusade ?
This period surely is filled with so many interesting personalities that usually get bundled together or skipped for the sake of sanity as the entire period of the Latin Empire is glossed over.
@@KingsandGenerals Exactly
Fascinating chaotic time in the area surrounding Constantinople! The Latin emperors just didn't have the numbers! Bulgaria was big player! And was not aware of the influence of the Germans Knights and Franco Knights to such a degree. And Hungarian political marriages! Man it was a lot to absorb! But great! Well done!
Great comment and we thank you for your support!
Imagine Netflix series on this, could easily do 4-5 season full with drama (war and diplomacy)
And they will all be black
And they don't even have to do BS exaggeration to make it interesting
Yeah the constant changing characters would make it a mess though. They'd have to fictionalize it quite a bit.
Why are you calling the Bulgarian emperors kings they had an imperial title of Caesar or Cezar/Tsar in Bulgarian
sick episode guys, well done
What an awesome video, glad you made it despite the mess that this period is.
We are glad you approve great Shogun!
This is too epic for a single video.
Girls: boys have no emotions, they dont even cry at titanic
Meanwhile boys:
Even on Titanic, girls would cry over the breaking up of a couple in love , completely ignoring the fact that hundreds died. It's girls who have no emotions.
@@Arthur_Revan It's not a story their makeup youtube channels would have told them
Wow that was an awesome video, great to watch, and with a lot of information about that period, I don't know much about!
Thank you so much for your kind words!
That clip got me wondering where did G. R. R. Martin get inspiration from. A real-life "red wedding"? BTW, I'm a Bulgarian and also hold history in high regard, yet I've known at most a quarter of what you just presented.
G.R.R Martin got his inspiration from the Wars of the roses which was the british civil war that erupted after the 100 years war against France and was a proper mess from start to finish. The red wedding from GOT is inspired from an event called The Black Dinner.
A serbian friend has told me thar GOT is inspired by Choniates' books...