New Rule: Grow Up | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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In his editorial New Rule, Bill responds to Stan Lee fans upset over his recent blog post and says it's time to put away childish things.
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Old man yells at cloud.
Jay Exci's SinsSins yes
Hey oooo
Wooo
Yes Jay
@@Skyisfalling11 Then please do enlighten me.
"If you have an idea that you genuinely think is good don't let some idiot talk you out of it"
Stan Lee
i love this 3000 thank your a good man thank you
This is a fantastic use of that quote!
AMEN
That is true except Super Heroes is for morons, i mean if i was american i would be proud of something objectively better like Ratchet and Clank PS2 games or Warcraft. Unlike the more popular stupid stuff like Star Wars, Star Trek and Super Heroes. Its so lame and dumb. Let me guess every super hero concept... some dumb ass in tight suit with super powers pew pew try to stop a super villain. Oh wow, yeah that is great lol
@@kejiri3593 You're entitled to your opinion, doesn't mean it's right, in fact, it's horribly wrong, but I already know getting into it with someone who thinks all super heroes are dumb just because they have the title of super heroes is going to lead nowhere.
Quick tip, if you're going to criticize an entire medium you know nothing about, don't instantly claim another medium is superior by comparison if you don't know what you're talking about.
"I'm sad you're alive" okay that was too good.
To quote the movie; Chopper: *"Even Beethoven had his critics. See if you can name three of them."*
Bach was better than Beethoven. Hot take, I know.
@@applescruff1969 Mozart over both
@@IWannaUnaliveMyself I used to think this way too but man those fugues....
Yeah but they wrote good stuff not bad stuff for manchildren consumer culture
@@matrix91234 The very words of a narrow-minded snob. Movies can transcend the adult trappings of science-fiction/fantasy/comic book-based genres, which with the likes of Star Wars, Star Trek, The Lord of the Rings etc. and have appealed to the children in all of us, while also tapping into more adult themes that might go over children's heads. If it doesn't appeal to you because it's not your thing, don't denigrate others because they can see beyond what you myopically see to be childish.
Bill Maher is a 63 year old lifelong bachelor infamous for dating 20-something models, and he's lecturing other men about "growing up" and "how to keep their marriages going". His lack of self-awareness borders on a miracle.
Good point
Honestly, I don't even care about that. I'm just amazed that he doesn't get that everybody has some kind of childish side to them. He just sees anybody over 20 doing anything that even remotely resembles something childish and assumes that he has the right to tell them they're living their lives wrong. There's enough hours in the day to read some comics and work on a sophisticated novel. It happens.
I think he's just referring to himself here.
Hey, not everyone is able to show such self-cousciousness!
As a woman I share his views on a 'teenulthood' society.
As a coach, I do reckon his 'normative parent' is abusingly neglecting the inner child that is in all of us.
Yet, being confortable with my devotion to wonder woman (who, do I need to remind you, flies in an invisible plane), I find his speech really hilarious.
That is kind of funny
This is what grow up do. F@cking 20-something models on middle age, not playing with dolls for sure.
Well, given your love of literary classics, I'm sure you merely overlooked this quote from C.S. Lewis:
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C.S. Lewis
This may be the best response to Maher's incoherent ranting I've seen yet.
Yeh, if we are going by social standards of adulthood then Bill is a manchild of the highest order.
-childless pothead lifelong bachelor.
He's a living romcom character where the point of the movie is the female lead chastising the guy for not growing up.
Love that quote. CS Lewis was a much wiser and more influential man than Maher will ever be. Even Walt Disney himself once stated that adults were only kids that were grown up.
Haters
Because C. S. Lewis is the height on intellect. Remind me again of his lasting impact on society...
It is entirely possible to go to work, pay the Bills, have a family, and be a positive member to society, and still be a comic book fan. I get where bill is coming from, I'm not biased, but as long as your talking care of business and you're not a financial burden on anyone who cares what your hobbies are.
I'm sure he likes action movies like Die Hard. Which are about as realistic as comic book movies, but Martin Scorsese only thinks one is an art. Honestly, who the fuck cares?
There's nothing wrong with liking superhero comic books but let's be real, they are not profound literature and I have been reading comic books all my life. I suppose one could make an argument for something like Watchmen but not for the mainstream superhero books. That being said, there are indeed graphic novels like Maus and Persepolis that are top notch examples of literature.
@@iss6044 what’s wrong with Martin Scorsese?
@@kylevasser6388 An entire generation of adult children are asshurt that he dare say comic book movies are not real cinema
@@ragnakak Thank you!
Guy's has no idea how literature works
“Abandoning what you loved when you were a kid because you’re worried it’ll make you look childish isn’t a part of being grown up, it’s a part of being insecure.”
-Jay Exci
Annabel Mendez ah, I see you are also a fan of Jay Exci
isinyan23 I am indeed and i found that particular quote very inspiring and self-assuring. i only wish she’d said it before i had to turn in my senior quote lol
Annabel Mendez, well said! 😎🥰👩🏽⚖️🧐👍
Amen
Kam Campbell 😇🙏😎
“I’m a grown up because I read books without pictures. The things you like are for babies.”
Words uttered by children more often than adults.
Who are you quoting exactly? You might argue that comics aren't necessarily for kids, you can't argue that it isn't simple in ideas and easy to read.
@@MilitanT07 "simple in ideas and easy to read", this is how you know someone has only ever read children's comics, perhaps do some research next time kiddo
MilitanT07 Newsflash, comics in the 40s and 50s where Superman utters “I’ll save the day...and, don’t do drugs kids”, is not an accurate representation of current comics. Superheroes and non-superhero comic characters now have pathos, moral ambiguities, experience real-issues from our own real world, tackles issues or racial segregation, fascism, crime ect. Now this doesn’t make comics “grown up”( as you may put it), by default, but the way you probably picture comics is probably a misinterpretation of what most, but not all comics are in a post-modern world
MilitanT07 You can make very strong arguments that the ideas presented in comics aren’t simple. You’re talking about a medium with thousands of titles. As far as easy to read, complexity of language is not the same as complexity of ideas. Anyone who has read Michael Eric Dyson knows that.
This comment is offensive to children.
C.S. Lewis once said :
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
Even if you don't saying your glad Stan Lee is dead... it's still disrepectfull to use the news of his death to bring all your hate to a categorie of people you hate for stupid, supperficial, and yes, childish reason.
Comic book are not litterature... but it's still a form of art, some called it the 8th art or something, I don't know. In fact, many people calls some comic book "Graphic novel", because stupid supperficial people give the comic book such a bad name associate to children that when they do something actually realy profond and adult, they have the need to not call it comic book.
Super hero movie are not always great cinema, but can be, the batman movies (Burton and Nolan), Logan, The Incredibles, Spider-man into the spider-verse and the Sam Raimi Trilogy, Chronicles, Kick Ass, Unbrakable, V for Vendetta, Darkman, The Richard Donner Superman, the Guillermo Deltoro Hellboy.
Those who need to grow up are those who still in their teenage years and refuse everything that look like kid stuff to concentrate on "adult" stuff. Real adult are those who's not ashame of the stuff they like.
And every argument you ignore it with a bully respond like "Now you have pubycare" or "you're not Iron Man". Showing that the intelectuel one is not the one that put a suit and a cravat just because other "adult" does it.
"All comic book are the same, someone who don't have power get them" Congrats, you just prooves you know nothing about Comic book, because many don't have this promess. Freaking Batman, superman and Wonder Woman don't have this promess, and they are the most popular super heros in the world.
Even the example you took don't work. The glowing thing of Iron Man is not something he have to find, the Spider-man one neither.
It's even more a faillure to see a pretending comedian who reject something that looks ridiculous.
And see that you have your list of "adult author", allow me to do the same : Read Dark Night Returns, read Superman Red Son, Read Watchmen, Read The Killing Joke, Read V for Vendetta, Read Black Hole, read Mauss, read Persepolis.
What your doing is the equivalant of saying "Books are for kids, readers are stupid to like Goosebump, Twilight or Eragon"
You just took peaking exemple, with that, you can make everything stupid.
Maybe the problem is not comic book or fans, but the fact that you just Don't want to read them because you're afraid to be a kid. And that's more childish than having a statue of a characters you love and respect the ideology… or as you called it to make comic book fan childish : Dolls.
And yes, people said that Shakespear was childish, people like Alexandre Pope said it. Same thing for the others, you just have to google search to see it. It's not because you grew up in a circle of people who think it's great piece of littérature than at their time they wasn't criticise by ignorant like you.
"video game are destroying video game" okay, now you just fear mongering. "Video game cause violence, destroy life, blablabla"
It's not video game that destroy mariage, it's bad Relationship. If the guy prefered video game to his wifes, that his problem. And what's even the point ? We where talking comic book right ? Or just an old man saying old man things "kids this days with their Howard the duck and their Fortnite"
@THX 1138 It's still great comics about super heroes.
Superman Red Son, The Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, V for Vendetta, The Killing Joke, Civil War, Logan, Joker and others are definitly not for people under 13, THAT's is a fact.
Comic or super heros movies are not just for kids, and anyone who really read a comic book know it.
Plus, why should they be an age where your not allow to enjoy good stories with good characters and inventive promise ?
You'r not talking like a adult, but like a teenager who's insecure about his adultness and do is best to not liking "kid stuff" to look like an adult.
So ? He hate because of some idea he regrett and because DC took his right to exploit his stories, but he dosen't hate comic book, he still does comic book, he did an erotic stories about fairy tales princess.
And even if Alan Moore hate his comics books, it's still great and show that you can do something adult and profond about Super héros.
And where did you get that people over 13 don't care about Killing Joke or Watchmen ? On the contrary, people still talk about how great it is, especially after DC make a bad exploitation of it.
@ي-خ Only a child care about what "self respecting adult" should do. A real adult just do what he thinks is good.
And what's wrong with silly ? Especially when it make good stories ?
C.S Lewis didnt write about stupid super heroes though. Fantasy books are fun for everybody
it's not that people are immature, it's your understanding of maturity that is immature
Old man yells at younger generations, looks foolish.
And the godfather of American comics had 3 decades on him, go figure.
No it doesn't
@@dr.debajyotibose2928 I have no idea what it is, or what it does not do.
It does.
Debajyoti Bose
He’s criticizing them for enjoying something clearly enjoyable. So what? Are video games not for adults too? Ridiculous.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C.S. Lewis
Bill Maher could learn a lot from this quote. Us comic book fans certainly take it to heart.
Yes, but he is our equivalent of the Drunk Uncle at Thanksgiving. We love him and stand with him, but it does sometimes show that he is old and out of touch with the world as it rolls. Besides, I'm sure he hates C.S. Lewis for being as ultra-Anglican as he was.
@@shrillbert True. But perhaps Bill Maher WOULD accept Jesus if Jesus was a mystical lion voiced by Liam Neeson.
That's is a great quote but I don't just think it implies comic books but life in general. If you feel the need to "prove" you're an adult then you're not really an adult.
He doesn’t like comic books or at least thinks that adults who do are wrong. I disagree but I still like him. It’s a harmless opinion. This opinion doesn’t dictate whether women get healthcare, if children and taken from their parents because they crossed illegally, if billions in tax dollars will go to a project that has yet to provide compelling evidence that it would do any good.
Harmless opinions I’m fine with. I can disagree and still like the person. And for me, this is a harmless disagreement. 😁
@@ThatOneAccount931 True. He's always dead on about actual public policy that matters (in my opinion at least). Pop culture is not nearly as important. But he's being a pretentious tool here though.
I'm a Bill Maher fan and never followed Stan Lee's work. However, Bill isn't in the position to be making fun of adults who do "childish" things. He's a 63 year old commitment phobe who dates girls in their 20s, smokes weed and brags about it. And he tells other adults to grow up? Bill, you're Irony Man and you don't even know it. Love your comedy career, but Bill seriously? Come on.
Dan Garcia he’s just childish. Bragging about smoking weed is what immature ppl did when I was 16.
Damn that is a great response
Just because someone isn't married that makes them a "commitment-phobe"?
@@christopherhughes9787 you're missing the point. The point is don't throw stones at glass houses. One can argue that Bill's habits as mentioned above can be considered juvenile as Bill goes on and on about other adults doing things that he considers to be juvenile. It's hypocritical.
Smoking weed is childish? Idiot
"I'm not attacking Stan Lee, I'm just attacking anybody who thinks Stan Lee accomplished anything meaningful in his childish little life"
I think he's attacking the man babies who can name every superhero but can't change a tire.
TheSlideshowtube Still he’s a fucking hypocrite and has no right to shit on someone who is far more successful, and an entire fan base. It’s bad enough Bill got roasted by Ben Shapiro. Now he’s trying to take on people who he believes to be “childish” so he can feel better about himself, make him feel more like a man, even though, Bill is making himself look utterly ridiculous.
@@TheSlideshowtube That may be what he's TRYING to say, but what he ACTUALLY said is that anybody who is an adult and reads comic books, regardless of their level of enthusiasm for it, is a man baby and needs to grow up, and that simply being "grateful" that Stan Lee existed is cause to be ridiculed.
He's attacking the comic books like he does religion: something that takes people away from reality and some of those people do horrible things because of it.
@@lisabinhawaii324 being an incapable nerd and becoming a nazi aren't comparable so I don't know why he's so nosy about these people. They're only screwing up their own life so why is he letting some nerds get under his skin
"my shot wasn't at Stan Lee, it was at Stan Lee's entire life's work"
.... that is primarily towards children, who adults compare to adult literature and take incredibly seriously. This is the definition of comics: a periodical containing comic strips, intended chiefly for children. Google it.
@@toshiba3739 okay? He still was being a jackass
On the day of his death. Classy.
@@Egg-yo7qb yeah of course, you arent a comedian without taking some shots people wouldnt be okay with
@@pennyboardrides2915 Agreed, his jokes were just plain mean spirited and disrespectful
Alternate title:
"New Rule: My Audience is Required to Endure my Daddy Issues"
"Grow up!" said the one person who talks about weed more than a 15 year old stoner.
lol so true. Also "Grow up!" from the guy who brags about never getting married or having children.
@@bosmith1820 So you're not an adult unless you get married and knock your wife up? Got it.
He’s just salty Stan Lee will be remembered for centuries while he’ll be remembered for a month after his death. ~Fennett
Remembered as the guy who was talking while eating shit for a month after his death
When bill maher dies no one will care
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 That's seriously your response? Claim that someone won't be cared for after their death because they made fun of something you like?
Not sure if you prove his point and are being childish, or if you're genuinely a bad person with a bad heart.
Stan Lee will be remembered for centuries? LOL Oh these kids are funny
Voicecolors hard to say. Likely a few. The mcu has made the characters he created obiquitus. Hard to say what will happen, but I think we will remember him 100, maybe even 200 years from now. Maybe not that much. It’s not like his name will be in history books, but I doubt he’ll ever be truly forgotten. I’ll die, your die, but Stan Lee’s legacy may last forever.
He’s not attacking Stan Lee yet bashing his life’s work and what it was made for? Hmm...
@anod . the man haha Bill is basically saying "look I'm a big boy I better than you because you enjoy stories with PICTURES"
Could Bill act any more childish?
@anod . the man A joke in very poor taste which insults the legacy of a great man ans role model to many. Just because a comment is made in a joking manner does not excuse it of it's ignorant and hateful motivation.
anod . the man the entire thesis of his joke is that Stan Lee’s work is childish and has no artistic value, and that any adult fans of his work should drop it and grow up. How is that anything but disrespectful to Stan Lee as a writer?
@anod . the man These are not jokes, I really am not trying to sound like some butthurt person but these are plainly attacks to try to get more relevant cuz bad press is still press
I think he forgot that an entire studio exists which has made great money thanks to Lee's work. And Bill doesn't like the stereotypical comic book fan in his mother's basement but he forgot that stereotype does NOT represent all of comic book fans. Deadpool, Game of Thrones, and Dark Knight all are for adults.
Imagine having a life and actually enjoying and being interested in stuff.
@@kozodoev imagine criticising people you've never met for reading something they enjoy
@@gonzogorriliaz3460 Welcome to the internet dipshit.
@@DaleRobby that doesn't excuse bad behaviour
Ever heard of fishing, going to a bar with friends during happy hour, playing poker during a guy's night, having a job, raising kids, paying bills, going to a car show, watching an athletic event, enjoying a cocktail hour, etc? It's not about ever having any hobbies, it's about understanding that at some point, you need find ones made for adults.
@@luke_cohen1 Who ever said these "hobbies" are for all adults and all adults should be doing them. You can just not be into fishing, you could not like to drink, you could not know or want to play poker, you could be retired or be in the 1%, you could not like kids, if paying bills is a hobby of yours you've got a problem, you could not be intrested in cars, you could not be intrested in sport, you could not drink. Some of these are just straight up not hobbies.
Never thought marvel was some sophisticated profound thing, always thought they were just dope ass movies that are fun to watch
That is the thing. Stan Lee brought joy and happiness to millions of people throughout his life. Yeah he wasn't Kurt Vonnegut, but it doesn't matter. This is one of Maher's weirder segments.
Why does he sound so insecure
"I'm cOoLeR tHaN yOu bEcAuSe I rEaD bOoKs WiThOuT PiCtUrEs"
The irony is he's saying all these immature things, while telling people to grow up.
Nothing he said was immature...his point was for example just becasue you read x-men comics doesn't make you an expert or a knowledgeable force on the civil rights movement...
The irony here is that that answer of yours just make you look like an immature fuck.
@@mckenzie.latham91 His point is that if you read X men, you're an adult pretending to be a child, and that you can't get any sort of valuable storytelling out of superheros because... well he actually doesn't give any real reason at all. Bill Maher is the one who's acting like a child. He constantly insults anyone who doesn't agree with him, no matter what it is. And if someone likes something he doesn't, then they're not mature. It's ironic because he has dated multiple women over 25 years younger than he is.
@@mckenzie.latham91 No his point was that people who read comic books or watch super hero movies are childish and need to grow up
Peter David wrote a response to your words Bill.
Peter Davids statement.
“Bill Maher has informed us, both on Twitter and again last night, that comic books are for kids and that fans of them are basically stunted individuals who are unable to accept adulthood.
So let’s talk about fans.
Fans love to argue. They are particularly big on arguing who their heroes can defeat. And periodically they gather in large crowds, sometimes numbering over 50,000. They pay ridiculous entry fees to get in, and many of them dress up like their favorites. In the places where they gather, they cheer on their respective faves, chant together, eat and hang together. They buy a ton of merchandise, dropping hundreds of dollars at a time. And if they’re lucky, they get autographs and go home happy. Hell, on rare occasions they even attend parades dedicated to their heroes.
And that’s just Mets fans.
It’s also Yankees fans, and Phillies fans, and Dodgers fans, and Jets and Giants fans, and Knicks fans, and so on throughout the country.
Hell, Bill Maher even profits off it, since he bought a minority share of the Mets in 2012.
And all these games…they involve balls. Isn’t that interesting? Large ones, small ones, that get bounced or hit or thrown. Balls, which are-as you know-one of the favorite toys of babies.
Yet interestingly no one, not even the profiting Bill Maher, ever accuses sports fans of being juvenile. Of being overgrown children. Get a whole bar riled up about Yankees versus Red Sox and no one is going to say, “My God, grow the hell up.”
That’s because, as Neil Gaiman pointed out, if you have stories told via words alone, that’s books and the realm of adults. Have pictures by themselves and that’s art, and also for adults. But the moment you combine words and pictures, assholes believe that that makes it entertainment purely for children.
I’ve said this before but it bears repeating: comic books aren’t juvenilia. Comic books are modern myths. The definition of a myth is something that is defined within its own essence. If you ask someone, “Who is Gomez Addams?” they will reply, “He’s a character created by cartoonist Charles Addams.” IF you say, “Who is Superman?” people will likely respond, “He’s a superhero, the last son of Krypton, with the secret identity of Clark Kent.” In the same way that if you ask who Hercules is, you’ll be told that he is a half-god born of Zeus having an affair with a mortal. You don’t put it in context of its creation; you define it as itself. People who find Spider-Man fascinating are just as valid and adult in their interests as someone who studies Arthurian legend. The fact that it’s happening in modern time and we know who the creators are doesn’t make it any less mythic.
Nor is the multi-billion dollar success of their movies proof of their crossover appeal, according to Maher. “They’re all the same!” he declares, asserting that ALL comic book movies are about superheroes fighting over “glowy” things (like athletes fighting over a ball, remember.). The short answer is, Yeah, right, “Black Panther” is just like “Wonder Woman” (neither of which involved anything glowing.). The longer answer is, Yeah, right, superheroes fighting over glowing things is sure an accurate description of Men in Black. Or Road to Perdition.. Or Kingsmen. Or V for Vendetta. Or From Hell. Or 300, Sin City, American Splendor, Atomic Blonde, Ghost World,Dredd, Scott Pilgrim vs the World, and on and on.
BUT, Maher further asserts, comics aren’t literature. Well, let’s figure that out. The dictionary definition of literature is: written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit. So what’s lasting merit? It seems reasonable to assume that it’s obvious: something that lasts. That transcends generations. So since Action Comics #1, which was produced over eighty years ago, still has resonance, that would seem to satisfy the definition, as does Spider-Man who was created fifty-five years ago. But perhaps it’s deeper than that. Perhaps to be literature, it must be critically acclaimed. Like Watchmen was when it won the Hugo. Like Sandman when it won the Bram Stoker award. Like Maus was when it won the Pulitzer.
How many Pulitzers do you have on your shelf, Bill?
I’m not pissed off with Maher because he went off on a rant about fans. God knows I’ve done that myself. I’m pissed off because he went off on a rant that was factually wrong, demonstrably inaccurate, and incredibly unfair. His words come from ignorance, and I wish to God he would do something, anything, to educate himself.”
Awesome, love Peter david
Lovely!
Gosh I wish I was a public figure just to that I could reply to this "Peter David".
That response was so pathetic.
@@iRushil you just have to go out of your way to show people what a peice of shit you are
@@bigdurk4115 That's Bill's fan base. If your expecting more from them don't because you'll only be let down.
This is what Stan Lee meant when he said not to let some idiot like talk you out of a good idea, Bill Maher is a good example of the word ‘Idiot’ there
*Sees like-dislike ratio*
“I love democracy.”
Yes, I'm sure that's keeping him up at night.
@@christopherhughes9787 what?
@@christopherhughes9787stupid, aren''\t you?
That aged like milk
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In other news: *old man yells at cloud*
I expect "explaining jokes to idiots" next week as damage control.
Also is weird to me because im pretty sure in one their shows he said he loved "doctor strange" comics and those were a blast with pot at his young age.
@@MrAnonimo211
Well he's a grouchy old fart now and he wants everyone to be miserable like him.
@@MrAnonimo211 ''At his young age'' Yes you need for sure explaining jokes to idiots, because you are one.
@@kost.9423 i find it funny that someone called "the punisher" insist on defend Mr. maher on this issue when he is clearly wrong
He sounds like a republican, because republicans are against how people live their lives
they want to control that.
"no pot"
"videogames are to blame for violent crimes"
you know the kind of response you expect from a republican
also comics are a huge boom for the movie industry
bill himself appeared in iron man 3 if i recall correctly
and he is also wrong in his stament about the books of those authors.
those authors and his writing was criticized for being childish at their contemporary era
but in the actual era they are regarded as classics of literature.
What most people denounce is that bill maher is basically
"The pot calling the kettle black"
someone who smoke pot for recreational reasons branding people that read comics for same purpose like inmature and childish
is quite hypocrytical and a behaviour i expect from the republicans he bash in this show
not from mr maher who brand himself as liberal.
it goes back to the original post "Old man yells at cloud" this is basically what this rant is about.
@@kost.9423 how is he a idoit? Bill here is a idoit so are you if you can't even figure out the joke smart one.
...still took the Iron Man 3 cameo money though, didn’t you Bill.
And numerous appearances on cartoons like Family Guy and the Simpsons.
I dont agree with Bill, but I dont see why it matters if he was paid to do a job. By that logic everyone must always have a positive opinion of their employer.
I don't agree with his speech but I also don't see how being in a movie based on a comic book would go against his ethics here. All he says is that at some point in your life you should grow out of it.
Acting is part of what he does and he probably enjoys goofing off a little at times like we all do. I think he is just tired of people that seem to be more invested in dead end discussions about comic universes than actual problems.
I don't get why he is doubling down on this. I'm not even a big comic book guy, but he should have just said "I fucked up and am a little wrong" instead of digging his heels in. That being said, I'm still a fan and this one aspect will not sway that lol
big oof
Bold words from a man who has never touched a comic book.
can't tell if ironic and good humor or actually retarded & exemplary
Probably doesn't have a brain cell either
he will touch comics that arent stupid probably. TMNT for example isnt people in tights and unreal manchildren entertainment of super powers. And actual plot with real characters
@@kejiri3593 Dude, you're saying people in tights are stupid, but not mutated turtles who were trained to be ninjas by a rat?
Don't get me wrong, I loved TMNT, but come on.
@@cyan0984 It has a story, thats all i ask for. People in tights are so unreal and just so out of place and look stupid. I cant stand superheroes. I mean its a reason why Star Wars Episode 3 is only good star wars movie, because it actually has a plot. Unlike others where its PEW PEW you`re dead
It's ironic that Bill Maher, who dresses and acts like its the 80's because that's when his life piqued and he still wants to relive that glory, is telling people to grow up.
yeah I like comics to and playing with toy soldiers he should leave us alone
How much do people get paid to laugh during this recording?
Usually if you don't laugh along with the host, you're not invited back. Just like when Rami Malik touched Jimmy Fallon's hand, he a'int ever coming back to that show.
Nothing at all. it's just really fucking funny. And really fucking true.
@@RDR911 I wouldn't want to be invited back.
Chitty Bang Bang STFU
@@chittybangbang8370 How much are you getting paid?
I've read James Baldwin, Michael Eric Dyson ect and marvel comics, watch hero movies, pay my bills and work 40+ hours a week so.... what's his point
His point is apparently: "I'm a grown ass man doing SERIOUS grown man stuff, not like YOU people!"
Does he think the people who WRITE comic books aren't "real" adults? That they don't get paid "real adult" money for the books they sell? It's not like we're talking about grown men playing hopscotch or something (which, even if we were, let 'em play hopscotch, who the fuck cares as long as they're not bothering anybody).
@@jakek1735 it's not the writers but the readers that don't grow up
@@justincastillogayray There's still plenty of people in the world who are perfectly capable of appreciating comics without being "that type of fan", and that's the problem I think most people have with the assertions Maher is making.
@@justincastillogayray If all Maher was saying was that there are SOME comic book fans out there who need to grow up, that'd be fine. I'd still argue that you could apply that same criticism to a percentage of any other fan base in the world, and that the medium of comics is so broad at this point that two people could have entirely different tastes and personalities and still both technically be considered "comic book fans", but it'd still be fine if that was the point he was trying to make. But instead of that, he's saying that there's literally no such thing as a mature comic book or comic book fan, which is an insultingly untrue statement, and he has an attitude of superiority about this despite the fact that he even admits he has no actual knowledge of the subject. On top of that, he took the occasion of a person's death to trash that person's fans and their legacy, and even has the audacity to claim that it's not intended to be an insult to the person's memory. Or maybe in his delusional mind he's actually somehow convinced himself that it wasn't an insult. Whether you liked Stan Lee, hated him, or didn't give a shit, it's a scummy thing to do. And it's not "making his point for him" that people are calling him out on his bullshit. It's far from the first time he's been full of shit and been called out on it. He's a snobby, ignorant, closed-minded man-baby, and that's why people on both sides of the political spectrum hate him, even people on the left.
It is absolutely possible to enjoy many different types of literature and art without being childish. As a matter of fact, many of the adults that I know who are fans of comic books and graphic novels are very productive members of society, a history professor; a book store owner, a coffee shop manager, any myself a psychology major with every intention of obtaining a fellowship for my PhD.
I Guess a life of making fun of people for their hobbies and interests seems more fulfilling to billy?
different people enjoy different things Bill, it's called subjectivity.
No, kids like shitty things these days. It's called "big business ramming their fistful of dollars and media influence down the throats of little unsuspecting ineffectual morons AKA children". Your perspective is weak and useless. And wrong.
@@chittybangbang8370 haha very cool story bro
go to hell
I am an adult and read comics and collect figures ;) - I also read Platon and I have a university major degree in history and philosophy.
Maybe I am not an real adult in the eyes of Bill Maher but Bill Maher is in my eyes a really narrow minded person. So I guess we are even.
@@martinwoyzeck2634 dear... I am German. So it can happen that I make mistakes while writing things in another language.
@@martinwoyzeck2634 Um, Platon is what many scholars now believe his name actually was.
See, "Plato", in addition to being a philosopher, was also an Olympic wrestler. And the word "Platon" roughly translates to "broad." So it's entirely possible that we've been calling one of the most important philosophers of all time by his wrestling nickname for centuries.
@@martinwoyzeck2634 mate, Platón in spanish, Platon in french, Platon in german, プラトン - Platon (Puraton) in japanese Πλάτων - Plátôn in greek. Most languages call him Platon, even some scholars call him Platon in english.
How can you call her a liar when, even if she was not german, she chose the spelling that is regarded as the "correct" one instead of the more widely used in english.
How could you have been positive that she was lying when you weren't even aware of the issue regarding the spelling.
"Any monkey can get a degree, liar, iliterate, your titles mean nothing". Why being so insulting, why such an arse. What was even the point?
@@teamcybr8375Wikipedia; Platon may refer to:
People
Plato (Plátōn), the Greek philosopher
@@nik021298 Yeah, this dude is just kind of an asshole.
I also think it's amazing that millenia later, one of the greatest philosophers ever is only known by his wrestling name. It's like if Dwayne Johnson became a philosopher and in 1000 years people still only called him "The Rock."
He’s legit J Jonah Jameson
J. Jameson is great. This guy would be lucky to breathe something as fresh as dirt
Plague Produkshuns lol
*dings bell*
That is false.
JJJ is popular.
That's not fair because j jonah Jameson is awesome and funny!
J. Jonah Jameson isn't an anti-vaxxer apologist or an Islamophobe.
*You don't have to abandon or kill your inner child when you grow up. You just have to control it.*
I try to do that with my love of game shows. Little known fact Bill played a game show host in an episode of Married With Children.😊
There is a difference between liking something and being totally obsessed with something.
@Heathcoatman
Direct comparison to alcohol; everybody loves to get a little buzz going and I think it's good because people need to get out of their head once in awhile; the emphasis being on "once in a while". But there's a line that once you step over , it becomes an addiction that can interfere with relationships, jobs and basically interfering with meshing into the real world in general. This is the voice of experience and it didn't involve comic books it involved that other thing. I really never even 'got' comic books as a kid. I was done with them by age 9.
"There's no point in being grown-up, if you can't be childish sometimes.'
- The Fourth Doctor (1974)
carealoo744 based
"No I'm not taking any shots at Stan Lee I'm just saying his life work amounts to nothing and people who enjoy it are little bitty babies."
and your life work would be??
Truth hurts the weak. And I like how anyone offended by him actually prove his point that they're babies.
@@iRushil if Bill doesn't like comic books or comic book movies whatever if it's not for him it's not for him I just don't see why he shit on everybody that does like it just seems like a kind of unnecessary douchebag thing to do especially saying it on his blog almost immediately after Stan Lee died so nobody's being upset little cry babies about him hating on comic books if we're upset it's him immediately mocking life's work of a man that passed away and to top it all off blaming him and his fans saying they're the reason that Donald Trump is the president wtf?!? I'm sorry but that's just a douchebag move
@@bobbyadams8889 Nobody, not even Bill, can deny that Stan Lee has achieved in his life more than most people.
But Bill isn't wrong for being blunt either. His issue is that nowadays, we celebrate adults who behave like kids. And superhero comic books are for kids. They may be nice, but there's nothing very mature about them.
And it's this decreasing maturity, objectiveness etc (everything that should make someone an "adult") which leads to people like Trump getting elected.
Instead of trying to grow up, we are trying to remain kids.
It was harsh to say such things right after Stan's death. But reacting like this only proves his point. If we were really adults, we'd be tough enough to not get emotional about it and understand what he really means.
@@iRushil so Bill Maher is a nobody. Trump will be president in 2020 and marvel will be even greater. Endgame is coming out soon. I can't wait.
Bill is just upset that Stan was more influential than he will ever be.
agreed
TheExtremeIRON you’re 100% correct
it is about comic fans, not stan lee. didnt you listen?
Yep, basically.
八月August Yeah I'll admit that's fucked up on Bill's Part. People gain influences based on whatever it may be. Political Parties (Which is what Bill's show is about) Is literally adult children with power in the country arguing over who's point of views are better
Whoa, I didn't know Deadpool was for kids! Thanks for the help, I'm sure my kids are going to enjoy it very much!
Four-letter words hardly make them "adult".
Kingpin is cool, but Deadpool i havent read. But seems original enough
Deadpool is literally a children’s movie with a few more kisses and 4 letter words
@@nws6146 Nice job moving the goal post.
This just in: “Old man yells at people because they’re happy with what they like. But he says he isn’t a republican”
“Old Man Yells at Cloud”
Grow up
Exactly, Bill is insufferable with his get off my lawn type rants.
LOL! Yup!
So you're refuting a bit about arrested development by quoting a joke you saw in a cartoon when you were a child? Good job.
@@brandoncaudill6864 Get of my lawn, boy.
Hey. Remember that time when bill was in an iron-man movie?
Ohhhh the irony
No I don't and I have seen all.
@Sheev This whole segment was Bill being Irony Man.
Movies aren't the same as comic books
The scene was deleted
I wouldn't be surprised. He's a comedian.... I don't know if you noticed but he's telling jokes.
Bill called comic book fans emotionally stunted manchildren.... and comic book fans reacted like emotionally stunted manchildren.
they didn't
@@middleman9183 denial of one's actions and behavior is a sign of emotional immaturity.
@@dustinprewitt OK whatever I would rather live amongst the wolves in the forest of Yellowstone in a wolves den in a cave for the rest of my life than stand alone side you and everyone like you with the boring ass overrated adult mentality
More like they criticized his opportunism and ill-informed arguments. Do you think capitalizing on a man's death for publicity and getting pissy over lost Twitter followers are emotionally mature things to do?
I don't get why reading comics is childish but getting high isn't. You basically get high to avoid thinking of your problems,some people use comics as some form of escape,how was that any different?
Who said getting high isn't childish. Of course it is.
@@juanlambda27 It's actually not, it can be but it's really not. You wouldn't call someone who has cancer and using weed childish would you?
@@a.mp.m7340 did you even understand what Bill Maher was trying to say??? 🤣🤣🤣
@@a.mp.m7340 do you have cancer and use weed or CBD oil to ease the pain? If not then it's irrelevant because it's an incredibly narrow window to push something through
@@juanlambda27 Not as much as you think you did. But I'm not speaking about Bill I'm talking about the original comment. Smh. You don't understand as much as you think you do.
3:58 bill, if you actually did some research, you will find that yes, people back in the day said those things about Shakespeare and others
haha IF he did some research.
Panos Ch. evaluate please?
Rock Games UK
He sarcastically said that he didn’t research.
That was said by Socrates about all writing. It's an immature short cut to write things down. They should be memorized by rote.
But bill said people didn’t so he must be right! You’re telling me an old white man that cant seem to let go of his own past is telling a lie in order to prove a false point! That can’t be right!
I can only imagine his reaction to anime
(Jeezus what have I done?!)
"Oh god, no..."
I no I no
Except anime is good and not lame like super heroes. Anime has people wearing to some degree normal clothes. Sweaters, jeans and has a plot and limitations. Sure Naruto started to become stupid with season 5 of shippuden when it became this stuff Bill is talking about. But point is anime atleast tries to feel real. While Super Heroes is just lame and stupid, hey i am gonna dress up in dumb ass tight suits, get super powers pew pew and stop a super villain.. Like thats literally all the dumbass super hero movies in america. Like i am so sad to how terrible taste americans have. Like if i were an american i would like something objectively better like Ratchet and Clank PS2 games or Warcraft, and not the insanely stupid stuff like Star Wars, Star Trek or Super Heroes which are the embarrassment of entertainment
@@kejiri3593 And there is comics like watchmen and sandman, but bill maher maybe never hear about that comics
@@kejiri3593 Oh, and naruto can´t never take seriously, i mean, is a childish vision of the ninjas
Of all the recommendations of literature to read perhaps one shouldn’t be reading professional victim’s fairytales.
Man makes fun of mans life accomplishments the day he dies, then squirms to defend himself
this whole video is r/iamverysmart because "I read books without pictures."
If you read only read comic books then you're dumb and that's just a fact.
@@kuhj278 you can't even form sentence correctly.Finish your studies first George.
@@ChloePricesNumberOneSimp irony is your sentence was incorrect as well. Play the argument not the man, brainlet.
@@kuhj278 please feel free to point out the mistake
@@ChloePricesNumberOneSimp Punctuation. Although my point was exactly that such minor mistakes don't matter a whole lot. Presumably that's what you chose to focus on since you didn't have an argument. But then what could be expected from someone who thinks it's a flex to say you read books without pictures?
“When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
- C. S. Lewis
@@quinnhansen4457 Preach Hagrid.
He doesn't "fear" childishness, he's bored/annoyed by it. Praising superhero films is like finding grade school math to be profound.
Yeah but Narnia isnt stupid childishness, just childish and thats it. Unlike Superheroes, Star Wars and Star Trek which aims towards people who like it both childish and stupid
*A 'Passion' for fantasies does not equate to much of anything unless it involves earning an income, and using inappropriate 'Quotations' to establish some defense for an odd life-choice
does not lend credibility to fantasy as being 'worthy of merit'*
____________
*'Captain America' is NOT of the same value as 'Jonas Salk' or 'Albert Einstein'*
@@axa3687 "he's bored/annoyed by it" yeah, that's why he made a unhinged rant directly on national television because people like things that he doesn't. Even Stevie fucking Wonder can see that he's afraid of other opinions and people enjoying themselves. "Praising superhero films is like finding grade school math to be profound." Bitch please, do you spend every single one of your days listening to Rachmaninoff or watching Tarkovsky? No? Then shut your fucking mouth, pretentious asshole. High brow art is a meaningless term, art is subjective. Superhero comics have reflected about mature themes very well, and old classics like Shakespeare and such were many times criticized by being not very sophisticated, and they contained a lot of dirty humor to cater to the lower classes. The world can be a sad place, escapism isn't entirely a bad thing, and it doesn't make it "worse".
Also, I find it hilarious that you put down grade school math as not being "profound", when it is literally the foundation of all subjects of higher math that made our modern world possible in the first place. Just goes to show how idiotic your whole argument is.
Spoken like a true person who doesnt know what they're talking about
superheroes suck get over it, they are all the same spandex wearing, boring looneys, written primary for children
@@MrJimheeren bruh....... you get over it
Seriously, he even brings up fortnite in his argument against comic books and superheroes as if they were one and the same.
I wasn’t aware that the Killing Joke novel was for children.
yes it is, just not for 5 year olds more for teenagers like 14 or so
More like adults bro. That shit is dark
@@mtlians Sigh.
Yeah, and Rick and Morty and George Carlin are actually intellectually super profound instead of just funny and smarter than your average sitcom, right?!
@@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8 do you have any evidence that would suggest that comics are for kids?
@@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8 george Carlin is one of the greatest comics of all times, and genius in his field
Bill Maher ain't half the man Stan Lee is.
half?
He’s not even an eight the man that Stan was
@@sumboi2321 I don't even think his name deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Stan Lee
He ain't even a quarter of Stan
@Joshua HANSDAK I think you put the decimal point in the wrong place.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
you're so deep bro
Some Bible. I'm sticking with the Bibble.
love that quote from C.S.Lewis and it works really well here
@Henry Louis21 Yup. That's what the quote's saying.
The greatest irony is that it would make sure people put the bible away.
I think Bill Maher would have a heart attack if he ever saw Maus.
A comic book clearly written for young adults so it’s easier to understand the Holocaust. The Nazis are cats in that comic just to really drive in the point. If you are over 20 you should probably read a normal book about those events
@@MrJimheeren I've read Night, Man's Search for Meaning, Maus, and currently on The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. I dont understand why people can't read both. Is all of Japanese culture immature and childish for reading Manga, and building theme parks off of Manga characters? No, in fact their technology and culture are doing better than ours in so many ways. They have robots serving them in hotels and they don't have these crazy people with blue hair calling everyone a fascist for believing in the difference between men and women. If you don't like superheroes that's fine. I don't read superheroes very often. But I am an aspiring comics artist so I will defend the medium I am pursuing.
This is the one time the comment section of a TH-cam video *reaffirmed* my faith in humanity
Says the single 65 year old pothead
Justin Opperman #Truthhurts
Hey now, don't go bringing weed into this. #truthhurts and im butthurt now.
Do you think alcoholics are childish? Why does smoking pot make him childish?
@@molly-gh4we Just want to put this out there. Alcohol literally makes you act like a child. in every sense, Lowered intelligence and cognition, Urinating yourself, throwing up, needing bibs to eat, drooling, sleeping all the time, violent tantrums, verbally abusive, inability to discern fantasy from reality, the list goes on. cannabis may make you a bit slower temporarily and easier to amuse. but it doesn't make you an abhorrent rude man child.
@@molly-gh4we Yes, alcoholics are childish. Deal with it.
Bill “Get off my lawn!” Maher
He does make a lot of one liners out of being that "Get off my lawn!" type though.
When did Bill Maher turn into Abe Simpson? Oh wait, that's a cartoon reference, how juvenile of me! LOL
That only works on Joe Rogan videos. Try again
@@davidmonypeny5734 writing LOL at the end of your comment was actually more juvenile.
The sheer irony of a talk show host accusing others of producing banal entertainment and immature fans can't be stated with words.
too right!
@@middleman9183 Always late to the table. Has to hire people to sit and laugh at his jokes so it triggers others. Think laugh track.
Casper is gonna get you!
Pretty much. Stan Lee did more for the world than Bill Maher. If you enjoy something at any age unless it is harming others, continue enjoying it. Life is hard enough without trying to put things in a box and saying "well I can't like that because I'm of a certain age now."
Also many comicbooks are aimed specifically for adults. Garth Ennis for example writes for adults. I wouldn't want my kids reading any of his works until they were older.
“When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
-C.S. Lewis
Know and understand the true meaning of the Word before you quote it Bill.
I want to agree with this. I really do.
But I can't.
These grown men that Bill talks about just exchange one game for another, one hobby for another. Poker is mature, D&D is not. Fantasy football, anyone?Even the stock market. Don't act as though the guys who don't read comics are reading great literature. Most of them just don't read at all. And if I see one more man who met his soulmate in a woman 20 or 30 years his junior I'm going to scream.
And don't even start with the "video games ruin marriages" gambit. Men paying too much attention to something (or someone) else and neglecting their spouses has been a recipe for disaster since the beginning of time. Only the names have changed.
But in particular he is referencing fortnite... I'd divorce over that trashy game too. rofl
First up, D&D is pretty cool, but I find it significantly more stimulating than comic books... you have to be imaginative and creative, social, plan well, all in all it is one of the best games out there for developing useful traits.
Comic books, as far as I'm aware (I've only really watched the Hollywood films, maybe they're dumbed down compared to the paper versions but that's not a defense I've seen many comic book fans claiming yet), do not tend to demand the same from you. Good literature leaves real ambiguity, acres of space for your own moral personal interpretations. The closest I've seen superheros coming to this is the Nolan Batman films, but even there the overarching cause and need to fight a definite bad guy keeps it fairly grounded. And there's the problem. A superhero needs a world-destroying villain of some description to defeat, giving you almost religious overarching morals of good and evil to stay grounded in. Real life is rarely that simple.
Well put
Try Twice Like mice Well, like Bill, you're categorizing comic books as just being about superheroes or stories of good vs evil. That's not the case. There are plenty of comic books about other topics. More independent and creative stories out there as well. In regards to superhero stories: the movies definitely have to simplify somethings simply because there are decades of superhero stories so they sometimes have to truncate certain stories and ideas. You mentioned the Nolan Batman films as the only superhero movies with ambiguity but I'm surprised Captain America: Civil War constantly gets overlooked. The film has plot holes and leaps in logic of course but it shows our heroes have the morals challenged when they are forced to confront the consequences of their actions and the villain of the film comes from a human place that doesn't paint him as an evil man trying to destroy the world. One thing I hate about superhero movies (they've been fixing it more recently) is how they always kill the villains off. While heroes and villains die in the comics too, the villains are mostly sent to jail (where they eventually always escape). Comics alow us to spend just as much time with the villains as the heroes. Something superhero movies rarely succeed at. In comics we know where the villain is coming from and see how they can be the heroes of their own stories. Sometimes they even get a series from their point of view...
in what world is poker mature? thats what uneducated guys do in bars while drinking. this is incredible childish.(yeah i know, not all and it's not pure gambling and blablabla)
All comic book movies are about “people fighting over a shiny thing.”
Congratulations Maher, you discovered that genres have tropes. You might as well complain about Westerns always having men in cowboy hats shooting at each other.
As someone who has studied Shakespeare and Dickens, I can say that anyone who attempts to disparage modern storytelling by comparing them to the old masters, don’t know what they are talking about. Shakespeare wrote sex comedies and supernatural thrillers. He wrote stories for the people in the pits as well as the people in the galleries. He was even criticized by his peers for “mixing the vulgar with verse, kings with commoners, fairies with mortals.”
Dickens wrote stories of rugged heroes who were easy to sympathize with, and dastardly villains whom were easy to jeer. His stories were serialized in popular magazines published on a monthly basis. He wanted to keep his readers interested from month to month so he made certain to end each chapter with a cliffhanger. I wonder what medium that resembles?
he gets paid 10000 to sit in a chair and complain about the president
Shakespeare and Dickens weren't his examples, he used them in context to the letter. His point is that one can't call themselves an adult if they claim to get their ideologies from comic books. Comics are just a starting point targeted for kids after which they tend to grow out of them. Doesn't mean they shouldn't enjoy it when they grow up.
Fiddlesticks! Again the fact you assume a whole medium is targeted towards kids shows how unaware you are. That’s like saying cause the Cartoon Network exists all of tv is targeted to kids. Comics are bigger than superheroes
Fiddlesticks! If you want I can point you to some mature comics if you want to take a read broaden your horizon
@@alexisogbemudia5458 Again I'm talking about this context about Stan lee, if you mention comics like Sandman, Walking Dead, The Dark Knight returns or V for Vendetta, let me tell you that's not what I'm getting at at all
Bill makes a great point. It's really hard to let your childhood go though. I don't know....I think that some adults do take their hobbies too seriously but whatever makes you happy right? Every is entitled to their opinions. This was funny😄Also I love the Marvel movies, great cinema! Who doesn't love a great superhero story👆Lol
Bill Maher: Comic Book Movies aren't cinema
Joker: How about another joke, Bill
There's nothing more childish than being afraid of looking childish.
Well said mate.
"There's no point in being grown up if you can't act childish sometimes." -- Tom Baker (the 4th Doctor)
at times, perhaps - not every day in every way. Listen to the video again and try to comprehend his point.
Yeah if its good and not stupid. Capeshit sucks
Hating popular things doesn't make you interesting
No, but it makes you more interesting than liking popular things. Sorry, you lose. Back to Nickleback and Ariana Grande, bruh.
@@chittybangbang8370 watching your impotent wannabe trolling in these comments is making my head hurt
Damian Cervantes
This Comment us Disgusting
You must be an adolescent adult
@@yoh.3230 .... Say what now? Grammar, my lad. Grammar.
Bro was literally in Iron Man 3.
What books do they sell next to lube and condoms?
I am personally not a fan of super hero stuff, comics, nor any of that stuff, but this segment hit unnecessarily low.
It seemed needlessly snobbish and judgmental.
To me this rant is not low but scathing and conflating those two gives cover to useful critism
Tacet the Terror so you’re an advocate of people running around in avengers pyjamas in the afternoon while in their 20’s and becoming parents to children who will eventually develop worse public awareness. Imagine if your parents were that way? These people aren’t growing up. They’re getting younger
It hit right on, actually
He knocked the ball out of the park. People throwing a fit over Bill's comments were being ridiculous.
The irony is that Bill Maher had a cameo in Ironman 3.
Not irony just being a hack
So, he can't be in something that is made for kids? It doesn't mean that he will pretend that it is high art.
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE Oh, another irony man. The general Obi Wan Kenobi who went into hiding, a perfect rolemodel.
Besides, why would he have tiny balls? He dares to go against the mainstream stupidity on both this and religion. Most of you simply bend over.
@@Hirnlego999 "He dares to go against mainstream stupidity" hahahaha! That's rich.
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE He was also right when he said that the 9/11 terrorists were not cowards. This is something very few would dare to say when patriotism is at all time high.
There is nothing that will earn a man more hate than to tell children to put away their toys.
Maher is getting hated.
@@nws6146 People with bad taste hate him lol
No he is just insulting ppl for liking there stuff
•everyone disliked that•
"There is something wrong with adults thinking they're profound"
Quite ironic tbh
He just saying that if all you read are just comic books then you can’t think critically. The problem with pictures is they can be misinterpreted and that’s the reason why cameras are not allowed in some courtrooms.
@@unknownunknowns And words can't be misinterpreted? Like ever?
@@unknownunknowns He's objectively incorrect though. Graphic Novels are a combination of two incredible forms of artistic expression, and Bill Maher over here is just seeking to ignore that simple fact.
Stefan Unson so is tv usueles unadult
Kevin Montiel
*Looks At Batman; The Killing Joke*
*Looks At Batman; Death of the Family*
“Yep, for kids”
I think what Mr. Maher is trying to say is, "GET OFF MY LAWN!!!"
Rusty G pretty much
Absolutely
Whilst millennial viewers are saying, "I wish I had a lawn!"
I wish I had a lawn...
all I heard was _"I don't want a huge portion of my Audience anymore"_ ... and I'm inclined to acquiesce to it
@@_JayRamsey_ 😂😂😂😂
Bill sure is being a big baby about comic books - throwing tantrums over things he can't quite comprehend. Maybe he should grow up. And please Bill, work on your argumentation and critical thinking skills, as well as your comedy, because they all suck.
Maybe you should work on that yourself. Can´t comprehend? If i tell you macdonalds is gourmet gastro, am i right? Or is it just you who can´t comprehend it? And how exactly was a comedic sketch a tantrum?
Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
-C.S. Lewis
depends on how those ''critics'' identify themselves
I'd never would've thought that a guy who gets up at noon and is obsessed with marijuana would be so uptight.
Weed is a juvenile pastime. How dare he relax in his free time, instead of reciting The Federalist articles 100 times!
@@gc3k thats the point.
I'm agreeing with the op and disagreeing with Maher
its' wearing that fucking suit everyday, he's just jealous.
He’s not uptight…he’s just intelligent. A definite rarity in America these days.
Stan Lee’s grave: “Gave hope to those that were hopeless”
Bill Maher’s grave: “Some guy that thought he was funny”
Stan Lee's grave: "A man who was integral to diversity and social justice."
Bill Maher's grave: "Just another political hack."
@candom rommenter nice likes you got there
candom rommenter comedy is not a profession that is exactly or even remotely considered to be “respectable” especially when it’s satirical that involves insulting other
people and cultures that are not understood
Agreed. It's time for our adults to be a bit more mature. Not give up all of their adolescent collectibles. But maybe tone it down and recognize that it's unbecoming of an adult.
gerard butler nothing wrong with enjoying something you loved as a kid. Attacking other people for doing so just makes you look pathetic and insecure
Actually Dickens did have his critics in his day. (Including some pretty notable writers.)
"Read Michael Eric Dyson" 😂😂😭😭 think it's Maher who needs to grow up that's embarrassing
Running your mouth off about things you clearly didn't even Google, let alone do some actual research (comics where originally in fact created for adult readers and there has never been a time where they where only making kid friendly ones). If he had actually looked into it and read just a couple of the "kid friendly" ones (You can find sexual abuse, incest and drug abuse in the X-Man comics alone). To shit on not only Mr. Lee's life work but his passion (he encouraged people to keep reading them into adulthood because of the fact that you can find deeper meaning in a lot of them as an adult) is without a doubt an attack on him. Don't tell people what they should or shouldn't be into if you can bother to actually look into what you're talking about.
You clearly must be a manbaby if you dont understand how all comicbook properties are childish. Jessica Jones season 1 focuses on rape and abusive relationships, rape is a pretty childish thing to do. Punisher is all about a psychotic veteran who brutally murders people on a quest to avenge his dead wife and kids, clearly he played too many violent videogames and never grew up. The main villain of daredevil is even a giant manbaby who throws a temper tantrum and violently decapitated a man with a car door, how childish.
@@michaelmegson2778, you do realize that even though you could make an argument that perpetrating rape is a childish act, being the victim is the exact opposite and that's what that show (plot) is about (her dealing with some real adult shit). Both examples you gave where actually created with a more adult audience. I think that if you actually looked up the history and variety of styles of books, I think you would learn a lot and find some good reads. If you into nonfiction at all (from spaghetti western movies to romance novels to B-movies/cult classic), they have those comics. They are just a particular way to tell a story and whenever you can tell a story, you can make it as "adult" as you want. Don't know why you feel the need to take these stories about adults dealing with extreme circumstances as "childish"? You do know that they have actual "adult" comics, don't you? Is it the "art on art" that got you so salty?
@@patrickhall901 no salt here, just sarcasm.
I have a BA in Anthropology, and at 68 years old I'm working on a BA in English Literature with a minor in Classics. I've studied Anglo Saxon and Ancient Greek. I've read many great works of literature. And I love the Marvel movies! I'm so sick of people who think that fun movies are beneath them, and that if I like fun movies I'm beneath them too. For God's sake, Bill! Grow up.
I think you're missing the point. You can like Childish things - but you're not a child, and blurring that line by indulging in things as a child would is dangerous for the ones looking up to you. That's why we have a buffoon in the White House - and some kids are already emulating that.
Completely missed the point. It's fine you like childish things as long as you're capable of appreciating things of greater consequence as an adult. You just demonstrated that you've done this, so quit being so defensive. Maher was not talking about you.
@@duncanblade Exept Bill never once said "It's ok to still comic books as an adult" and still mock people for doing so making the asumption that people who still enjoy Marvel books/movies don't read books and are below serious things. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a big marvel fan that's tweets like crazy about every superhero movie he seen. I personaly know scientists, archeologists and literature experts who enjoy comic books.
Also it's super cheap of Bill to go after super-hero books and just throw in all graphic novels into one dump. "Mouse" by Art Spilbergman is a comic book and it's all about the holocaust. "Persepolis" by Marjane Satrapi is about her epxiriance growing up in Iran. Heck, Allan Moore did superhero books but they all touch upon social-political issues ("V for Vendatta", "Watchmen") and these are only few example. In Europe where I live comic books are treated like literature, cose like every literature you can write a silly childreen story and you can write profound novel. You can make a kids cartoon and you can make a serious documentary movie. You can make a funy drawing and you can make a paiting. I think it's a shame Bill dosen't recognize this and it's going after easy targets. Like the Kevin Smith thing - The guy is a freaking comediant! Of cousre he dresses silly! Bill had no problem of having Smith as a guest once or twice and priesed him for his sence of humor, but now let's ignore that for a minute cose he needs an easy joke to show how supirior he is.
I just don't like the way Bill is using Stan Lee's death to get some attention.
(P.S. sorry for my bad English, I'm from Poland and it's not my first leanuge and I'm still learning)
I don't think he said that you cannot like the movies. They can be a nice two-hour break of mindless predictability from your adult life. But you will probably agree that it is not exactly literature.
@@maciekur
It was not said, but it was implied.
Bill was responding to multiple people who had taken up the issue with him,;
I believe his point was "there are too many grown men indulging in comic books to the point that it affects their real lives - and when he calls them out for it, they resort to name calling and insults. That's a consequence of their current habits.
Just let people enjoy things, man.
@ي-خ why not though? What harm does it do?
I’m not a fan of comics myself (and mostly a fan of Bill’s rants against the excesses of the woke) but this one reeks of elitism. And, quite frankly, demonstrates his hypocrisy; when will Bill put away his childish addiction to pot?
Ah yes, remember all those childhood classics such as V for Vendetta, the Watchmen and the Killing Joke, Old Man Logan and Deadpool?
Ah yes, I remember reading that as a fetus. That was some good family friendly content.
You forgot The Sandman
@@varunshivaram711 u forgot lost girls
I think everyone here forgot to mention The Dark Knight Returns.
@@aaronsmith2688 yup I've not read but have seen the movies
Funny, but I disagree for the most part. Everyone has hobbies, be it cars, model trains, comic books, video games, or weed. The only issue is when they come to define you as a whole and or interfere with real responsibilities, aka addiction.
Very well said!
I was looking for exactly this call to nuance in the comments. I'm glad I didn't have to scroll too far. I agree. A hobby isn't always a problem, if it doesn't take over your life. And depth in media is always gonna be a bit subjective. To each their own.
Also, Bill Maher's always gonna make a little money by acting triggered about "what the kids are into these days," so while a fight like this isn't a waste of his time, it's probably a waste of everybody else's.
weed is not a hobby you degenerate hobo trash
I think that was the crux of Bills point. He was aiming at people that let it define them, but he was hitting wider because that worked better for funny put-down sentences, even if it is less accurate.
Tryphen some hobbies are more practical than others.. mar hit a low blow but I don’t think anyone can deny that superheroes and comics are a bit more disconnected from reality than other “hobbies”.
"I'm not glad Stan Lee is dead...." no, it kinda seems like you are. The second he was gone you took that opportunity to literally tell the viewers of his life's work to grow up.
*No...'one thing does not validate another thing'*
*There's no 'kinda' ' anything in what Maher states, and implying otherwise is pointless*
The superiority complex this man has
Funny how Endgame is now the biggest movie of ALL TIME, says something doesn't it?
Logan N6 Yes; it demonstrates the the taste and culture of the general population is in the basement.
colourfastt bet you thought that reply was quite clever, huh?
SkeleGem Unless it was sarcasm
@@colourfastt Where you live
Joel the Great thanks. Finally someone gets it. You don’t shame and insult people for liking something. Even if you don’t like it! You can say it but it still makes you hated
Anyone notice how he completely left out the fact that people absolutely roasted Shakespeare in his time? For someone who prides himself on how learned he believes himself to be (and I’m sure he is in reality), he really doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. If he did, he would realize that while there are many comics which are in fact trash, the truly great ones like V for Vendetta, Watchmen, The Sandman, Dark Knight Returns, Daredevil: The Man Without Fear, Swamp Thing, and many others strike a chord with people for a reason. For someone who sees himself as being so in tune with the average person because of how much he knows, he’s really quite out of touch. And that is coming from someone who loves comics, is on the Dean’s List, has been a youth counselor in rehabs, worked with the disabled, and is on track for an MPH and MBA. Still sad I’m alive?
Yeah, he missed that and it pissed me off. He’s so smug, yet he fails to acknowledge that point.
Everybody roasted Shakespeare??? You have got to be shitting me. Snowflake.
Lee Finch Unfortunately, he is not shitting you friend. Shakespeare was heavily disliked by critics in his early years. They claimed his work, mainly his plays, were unimpressive and mediocre. Plays which, ironically, are highly praised today. However, as time went on Shakespeares popularity among the people and critics grew. This is off the top of my head but you are welcome to investigate more on your own.
Maus, Ben, for an example of a comic book that is *NOT* about superheroes.
For every little Spiderman or Superman comic, there's a
-Watchmen
-Batman: The Killing Joke
-Punisher MAX
-V for Vendetta
-The Crow
-Daredevil: Born Again
And so on and so forth
Meh, we all have our escapes. For Bill, it’s pot, for others, it’s comic books. But this need to put others down for enjoying something you don’t understand speaks to underlying insecurities you should probably address at some point.
Live and let live, man.
Put another way: show me on the Spider-Man collectible where Stan Lee hurt you, Bill.
Sounds like Bill lost a woman to a comic book nerd😂
Looooooool yeah right😂😂😂😂😂 a cominc book nerd has a woman??? You cracked me uo😂😂😂
@@Tony11442 do you know what year it is?🤣
Well that was a waste of six minutes.
Funny, your dad said the same thing when you were born.
Hey Martz Mores. Just because you parents are trying to kick you out of their basement, it doesn’t mean you can now say other parents hate their kid too.
@@gishmakyid "I know you are but what am I?"
ok
Martz Mores who hurt you?
@@gishmakyid Are you just a machine of overused lame comebacks? That one doesn't even apply here, dude.
I say the same thing about sports fans and car enthusiast...
No you fucking can't.
@@ToasterNinja Yes you can.
@@jamescallanan2443 You absolutely can not.
@@ToasterNinja You absolutely can
@@drserr6581 No you can't. If you act like a fucking idoit in those hobbies you get proeprly ostracized.
Do that in Nerd shit and you get protected. Nerds are not good people.
Moby Dick was actually a bomb and was critically panned. Nobody liked it when it came out. It ruined Melville.
Wrong
@@randomguy56789 How so?
Wow, I really cannot understand why a man would use his time, to belittle adults who make choices to like what they like. I get it, he's butthurt over the blowback from people who were upset about his comments. Are motorcycles, childish? are boats childish? who defines what is childish?
You mean, to belittle overgrown children. There's a big difference between mechanics and cartoons.
@@FriendlyHomie I
I don't like comics, but don't we live in a country that allows people to pursue their interests and dreams as long as they're not infringing upon other people's freedoms? I don't see anything wrong with adults reading comics.
Udar Pavarota could you have mentioned the fact he brought in a man who died who can’t defend him self and he attacked his entire life’s work I find that pretty low and comic books are big deal in other countries there’s a whole museum dedicated to them in Belgium .
I don’t see anything wrong either but they tend to look like Kevin Smith, is what he’s saying. Though, Smith finally got to ditch his jerseys indicating that Maher got to him.
It's also because people know the names of their favorite superheros more than the names of the US Supreme Court justices. That's concerning.
@@udarpavarota396 I guess that's a choice but just don't complain if something horrible happens.
@@unknownunknowns In what sense? Why would something horrible happen?