More Things That are No Longer Taught in School
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you can only be called a coder if...
and it's tip your head back...so we don't have to clean up the mess...bit like seat belts in cars....wear them....the clean up is horrendous people 👍🏻
They call it FACS around here, not HomeEc, but it involves pretty much all the same things, and all the students take FACS.
Same age as Simon and from the UK - everyone (boys and girls) did both Food Tech and Design & Tech until they got to choose their GCSEs and then....everyone dropped both. Simon just went to a posh, old-fashioned school.
And one of my male friends went on to work in Michelin star restaurants. So pretty useful for him!
Same, I'm a year older than Simon, and both boys and girls did food tech, technology/woodwork/simple electronics (we made a car, hand held wire buzz game, plastic molded, etc) and textiles, until we picked our gcses.
Same in Canada
I was in school during the same years as Simon and food tech was included in the D&T heading. I did resistant materials and did woodwork and metal work, a little electronics thrown in. Funnily enough, the textiles teacher was also a PE teacher. There was also graphic design as a separate topic. We had to have one subject at GCSE.
Also, religion and philosophy (religious studies everywhere else, apparently) was compulsory in my school, as was IT, although I only ever learned basic html, the rest was pretty much just how to use the office suite.
I am the same age as simon. We didn't have food tech in school. If you wanted to learn food tech, you had to wait until sixth form and go to a different school
Same I did both as a kid (I'm 31 F)
I went to school in Australia in the 2000s, and food tech, 'fabric tech' (aka sewing), woodworking, metalworking, and design tech (aka architecture) were all separate subjects that EVERYONE did for 1 term.
My mum still has the candelabra and napkin holder I made in year 8 😂
Our school didn’t have enough time for us to do much. Of these I only remember doing woodwork and now Ive heard the teacher has to do the sawing and nailing for the kids as it’s so dangerous 😅
Went to high school in Australia in 2018, did the same subjects as you along with agriculture and IT (I don't remember the proper term but basically electrical engineering, coding, etc.) Although I reckon I would've learned more if the teachers were paid enough and supported enough to teach us instead of making sure we didn't do immeasurable damage with any and all equipment...
Depends on your school resources too - e.g. in the 2000s my smaller school only had home ec and woodworking (with graphics as a component of that) due to lack of teachers and equipment (class names might have changed due to different states/change in curriculums). Both were electives, and the timetabling meant you could only do one or the other, not both. It was a pretty even split of girls and boys doing each. I did woodworking and would have continued it right through to senior but the good teacher left and none of us trusted the replacement to know what he was doing 😭
@@eccentricwallflowermy daughter is currently in high school in Australia and did home economics woodwork metal work and she is currently doing specialist agriculture.
Simon’s idea of blue collar work - hanging up a picture.
It ain't much, but...
I find it hard to believe his wife didnt do it herself.
She was probably just going easy on his ego 😂
F***in for real.. like damn dude. That's rough.
If no one learns how to do blue collar work, then who will come in do the tough jobs like using a screw driver.
I am 61, I attended a rural school in the USA. I took Home Economics from grade 7 through grade 12. We were never taught how to make a budget, how to figure interest, or how to fill out a job application or unemployment benefits forms, or where to go for help with utilities etc. They "taught" us cooking; basically I was taught cooking at home, through chores, peeling vegetables and fruits, making bread, pie pastry, proper temperatures for cooking meats all the way through etc. We were "taught" sewing, my Mom was a seamstress in a factory and we all learned to sew on her sewing machine, we mended rips in clothes, we made outfits for work, for play, for formal dances etc. We had a class senior year grade 12 call " Married Life" It covered dating, sex education, (which the district I went to taught every year since grade 3, by year 12 I could have stood and given a talk from memory of all the years previous), cooking, cleaning, and sewing. They never taught us about drunk husbands beating their wives and kids, they never taught us to call the police or any social services agency. On the other hand, my brothers taught me to measure boards for repairs to the barn and chicken house, my brothers taught me to hand them wrenches by the fraction number. My father taught me to use a bumper jack to change a car tire, and how to pump my own gas, and eventually to change the oil and filter, and spark plugs and wires. I learned everything in these last 3 to 4 lines by the time I was 11 years old, I drove a tractor in the fields, plowing, and sowing seed. Planting a garden and canning the produce we grew in that garden. I drove a grain truck to the Grain elevator to sell our grain, these I did for my family, from age 13 on into my late teen years. Everyone had chores, we worked, we learned and we grew up, most of us to make a better life, as our parents wanted us to achieve.
Wow....Dave's snark is magnificent! And Julian's memes? Outstanding. That "photo" of Simon's sisters is priceless!
18:05 that sort of thing happened to me in an English vocabulary test (in a German school) filled out everything with correct translations, but they said "we don't test if you know how to speak English, we are testing if you learned the vocabulary we told you to learn" and gave me what would be an F in other countries. Feckin hell, that was 15 years ago and I'm still annoyed.
Ich versteh jetzt nicht ganz wie die dir ne 6 gegeben haben wenn du die Übersetzungen richtig hattest. Bei uns waren die Vokabel Tests immer so dass wir ne Tabelle hatten, auf einer seite deutsche Wörter und auf der anderen seite englische und wir mussten einfach nur die Tabelle richtig ausfüllen. War das bei euch anders?
Sounds like a shitty school.(Auf was für einer beschissenen Schule warst du denn?😎)
@@adenkyramud5005 vielleicht waren es nicht die "richtigen" Wörter, die die gesucht hatten. Es gibt ja für die meisten Wörter Synonyme, die zwar als direkte Übersetzung gelten, aber nicht im Vokabeltest gefragt wurden. Das war zumindest bei mir früher öfters das Problem. Zwar richtig Übersetzt, aber mit dem falschem Wort.
WORDS ARE HAPPENING!
That made me angry just to read.
1:20 - Mid roll ads
2:35 - Back to the video
4:30 - Chapter 1 - Home economics
10:15 - Chapter 2 - Metalwork, woodwork et cetera
15:30 - Chapter 3 - Proper computer programming
18:45 - Chapter 4 - You should tilt your head back if you get a nosebleed
Thank you!!
Singapore recently included basic computer programming into school...
One of the first things they showed us in agriculture class was pictures of what happens when you arent careful around farm equipment
Had it easier myself. The handyman my mother hired for a week, to help make barn repairs, showed me his missing fingers when he saw me fooling around on the tractor.
Our local police officer came into school and showed us pictures of dead people, including the body of an old woman who was dead in her flat for three months with the central heating on, and the badly dismembered corpse of someone who committed suicide-by-train.
On reflection, that probably wasn't entirely appropriate or pedagogically relevant. At least yours made sense.
We got shown high def images of what happens if we fail safety with a saw...
If you know the dangers/risks, you know how to mitigate them.
@@Foolish188 What did his fingers look like? Rotten?
Back in the day, they taught kids to hide under desks to survive a nuclear attack, now we teach kids to hide under their desk from school shooters.
One of my Principals in Elementary School still believed in that. We had to do Nuclear drills once a month in the late 80's.
Doesn't take long after seeing footage of a nuke and looking at your desk to realize you're pretty much screwed.
MuRiCa 🇺🇸
We had earthquake drills in California. Basically everybody went to an open area where the buildings couldn't fall on us.
@@Plaprad - The real benefit is if your school doesn't get leveled, and the building is only partially destroyed. Falling debris can still kill you, and being under a desk would offer some level of protection from that.
This just tells me that US education procedures became more effective-hiding under a desk has a modicum of chance to save you from shooting, it has no chances of saving you in a nuclear attack. Progress!
I took Home Ec in the US in the 90s and loved every minute of it. It was me and 15 girls and we made cakes and stuffed animals : o )
Both girls and guys did cooking, sewing, woodworking & metal working classes where I grew up in Canada in the 90s. My kids don't have home ec but they do have astronomy, which is a thousand times cooler in my opinion.
we didnt have a 'home econimics' we have a food technology class or wood/metalwork class. i took the food tech became a chef, developed crushing drug and alcohol problems, depression for the entire decade i was a chef, but hey im ok now in my 30s and ill never starve or eat a shitty meal at home for the rest of my life. 👍
Yeah. If I was smarter I would have taken it in school for that very reason...
@@annamoonc2175 Are they in Hogwarts?
@annamoonc2175. Perhaps cooler, but which will they use in their everyday lives? They might impress a date with their star knowledge, you can fake that, but a potential permanent partner, will be more impressed with their cooking ability, you can't fake that!
Y’all should do one about things that should stop being taught in school
What do think should be dropped from the school curriculum?
High school in late 70's we had square dancing😢
@@agirlisnoone8180 eh it’s not “taught” per se but used way too much despite no validity but Meyers briggs tests should stop being used outside of studying their impact on pop psychology.
Been out of school for a bit but the hero worship of Christopher Columbus should stop. They’ve probably updated the history but then America has been on a backslide in some states so who knows anymore.
There’s been a push to get the bible shoved down the throats of Americans in public schools and that should be a hard no. It should be against the law but pretty sure the courts are going to handle that case one way or the other but with the corruption present I’m gonna take a wild guess that they’re gonna choose the wrong option.
There’s probably more stuff in the American curriculum that should probably not be taught. Can get back to ya with more
@@sigmundblank7403 I still had it in the 90's!
Easy. Anything to do with religion.
When I was in school “Home Ec”, as it was referred to, was just cooking and textiles ( basically making cakes and how to wash clothes). That was in the 90s.
Yeah, for us, it was called "Home Economics and Livelihood Education"
Did some cooking, household maintenance, dating etiquette, basic budgeting and time management.
Craftsman skills including basic woodwork and metalwork fell under the same subject.
It was never split between males and females.
For me it was called Foods for life or something. I graduated in 18
@@tcbobb1613 in Britain we finished school at 16, then started college studying 4 subjects before applying to university in one or two subjects.
I stuck with biology and chemistry (failed physics)
We had Home Ec, it was mostly cooking and I remember learning crochet. Graduated 2004
It was also open to any gender. It was mostly girls, but a few boys did take the class too from what I remember. Typing was also almost exclusively taken by girls, I was the only boy taking it in middle school. I saw the future and learned to type before everyone eventually had to...
I graduated right before the No Child Left Behind program where, instead of putting in the extra effort of helping the kids who are struggling, they just started grading on a curve so no one fails. (At least that's how it seemed to work in my area.)
I've also worked with teenagers who, despite the fact that their first jobs will most likely be retail or fast food, freely admit they can't count back proper change.
Redefining. The socialist solution to problems you don't understand.
Yep they just pass the kids.
My sister is a teacher and they're not allowed to give a student below a 50 on an assignment and have to go in front of a board and explain why they failed a student for the year. They're pretty much required to just pass the students. Most of her kids can't read or do basic math and they want her to strictly stick to the lesson plan instead of teaching them to read or do math.
@@albertchurchill4845…since when has george w. bush been a socialist
@@ExperimentIV Thanks for proving my point.
This is one of my biggest grievances. In school I got to take four cooking classes, a drafting and design class, a life after graduation class, an independent living class, a metal working class, two carpentry classes, two machine shop classes and three welding classes and this is all on top of the normal curriculum and I really thoroughly enjoyed it and now I know how to cook and weld and I went to a trade school because I felt like college wasn't for me
Wow! Where did you go to school? Seems ideal
That is fantastic!
Home ec is great when they don’t just hire someone with zero qualifications because they don’t have to pay them a decent wage. Most of the cooking portion of the class I could have easily tested out of because I was cooking since I was eight, and the sewing part of the class consisted of me being berated for using my grandmother’s techniques instead of the teacher’s until I complied, only for my boss at the theater six years later to have to reteach the old techniques to me because “what the hell was that teacher of yours smoking” (her words, not mine).
Thankfully the only involvement I had with her after that was when she happened to be a judge for some of the food and sewing projects for the county 4H.
Hey that's better than my algebra teacher who was literally the football coach who didn't know algebra. All he could do was read from the book, he didn't understand any of the math himself. But yeah, teachers sadly often power trip on forcing you to do things their way even if you already know how to do it and are actually better at it than the teacher.
My fiance and I are 10 years apart and even with that gap we've noticed differences between our school years education. Shocker - it got dumbed down over time. 😪
Specifically maths and history. I live in Canada and there was a lot lacking in indigenous history 🙁
Learned way more as an adult
oh yeah we learned absolutely nothing. i graduated from high school like, 15 years ago (DEAR GOD I DONT LIKE THAT) and we truly did not learn about first nations and inuit peoples. learning about the Kanehsatà:ke Resistance of 1990 was so eye-opening as an adult, and i wish we had learned about things like that in high school.
I HATED history in school. Great, more dates and names I don't care about but still have to remember. Then I found documentaries, and the history Channel while it still did history, and found out I LOVE history. I just need it as a story, not a list of facts.
I'm only a few years older than Simon, but I am an avid DIYer? Calling someone to hang a picture is out of the question. I have personally replaced nearly all of my own plumbing and a good portion of the electrical in my home, remodeled my kitchen and fixed countless mechanical and electrical things over the years. the amount of money I've saved doing it myself is in the tens of thousands of dollars.
Don't mention those repairs if you sell your house.
I can and have done all those things if needed, but agree with Simon's point about losing out on more in income than he saved in expenses.
It reminds me of when my grandpa, who was a welder and engineer, had a broken lawn mower. I asked him to help me fix it and he said no forgot it you're not mowing today. We'll take it to the shop. I argued that it was a simple fix and his answer was "I do that kind of work all day. I'm not doing it at home. Besides, the guy at the mower shop needs to earn a living too"
Any plumber or electrician worth their salt will know immediately if it is a DIY job and it will most likely have more mistakes than work done by a second year apprentice.
I’m living in a rental and I refuse to even fix basic electrical problems because my real estate are arseholes and I’m not in the habit of stealing another man’s bread.
I will even spend time to diagnose them though and tell the hired electrician what it is so they can fix it in 10 minutes and charge the landlord for 4 hours.
plumbing and electrical i wouldn’t mess with (apart from basic troubleshooting) because you can really fck those up if you’re not knowledgeable. but hanging a picture? that’s stupid easy and not even a 15 minute job if you can hang the thing level
Me too, and I'm a woman!
The problem with drag and drop programming comes in when there’s a error that needs debugging.
Or - when everyone migrates to the next new programming language, and you only know drag and drop, but not the procedural logic behind it. AI and Algorithms aren't built with drag and drop - and it's pretty clear, programming (and debugging) algorithms are going to be critical skills for kids growing up now.
10 print "Hello, world!"
20 goto 10
Those were the days...
@@user-rd6ii6mp1t You're old. So am I. Do you remember the occasional news story about one kid or another that was "obsessed" with computers and supposedly thought about life as "10 get up from bed; 20 go to the bathroom". The news seemed to always be worried about kids being obsessed (computers, D&D, the "satanic panic", etc).
Or you want something customized. At least Chat GPT can find syntax errors now. Maybe someday it will accurately find logic errors
@@Me__Myself__and__I I admit I've had mornings where I've felt like I was running on a macro, at least up to the point I have my morning coffee.
I remember those stories. Moral outrage at the time was their version of political conspiracy theories today. Everyone needs something to fret over. Makes them feel special when they do something about it. Someone starts shouting "Think of the children!" and you have every social issue of the 80s and 90s covered.
I went to HS in the US about 20 years ago so my experience will be a bit different from the Home Economics experiences in the video, however I remember LOVING home ec in the early 2000s. It was the first class of the day and the only class with a coffee maker in the classroom. Our teacher was 100% ok with us starting a pot of coffee and sipping on it while we lightly napped or tried to wake up. Literally the first 30 minutes of that class was completely silent. It was also the only class I had with all of my friends and we did learn some useful things in there once everyone woke up. Home Economic taught me how to balance a checkbook, sew on a button, and do a basic grocery budget. We also got to cook and eat breakfast when we got to the cooking portion of the curriculum. Since we all pretty much already knew basic cooking, it was less learning how to cook and more having a breakfast feast with your friends every morning on the school's dime. It was only open to 11 and 12 graders (Juniors and Seniors, approximate 16-18 age range) because we were dealing with "dangerous" kitchen equipment, but my entire friend group took it for our first class both years.
Simon selling keeps is like Oscar Pistorius selling shoes
In this day in age its always funny when people say "I didn't learn that in school", and act like they don't have the entire earth's knowledge in their pocket.
Hahaha I will say there are some things where having in person instruction can really help, but I've made sure to take full advantage of the internet wherever school failed me
Sadly not everyone learns how to learn on their own. A lot of people need someone (aka a "teacher") to hold their hand and guide them through how to learn something step by step. To them having all that knowledge easily available is useless. Its sad really.
And even all the knowledge on earth is not enough to be intelligent or wise.
That assumes you know how to search for that information, which is also a skill.
I was talking to a 19 year old family member about the home economics course I took in high school. She was shocked that diseases from lack of vitamins and minerals exist. While yes, we have all the known information at our fingertips, that doesn't mean we know how to learn some basic things. If we don't know it exists, how can we look it up to learn it. There are also things like sewing, which are best taught hands on, which you can't do online.
I signed up for home ec only to show up on the first day to find it had been completely removed and no one had thought to tell me. I was severely disappointed. I was also severely disappointed that wood work and the like were not even an option in the first place. On the other hand, I lucked out my (single) mother still managed to find time to teach me the absolute minimal basics so I wasn't at a complete loss when becoming independent. On average, both school and parents seem to be teaching less things these days
As a girl in the 80's at school, I did take shop class during 7th grade instead of home ec, we didn't really get to use the power tools, instead we were given hand tools to do everything. Drills were hand cranked and our lathe was treadle driven. It was awesome! And it developed a deep love of power tools in me lol.
But I also feel it really taught processes in constructing things making a switch later to power tools seamless. Now I can and have built furniture and various decorations, I've even done some pretty extensive home renovation including putting in walls and taking some out and putting in support beams.
I asked Chat GPT to come up with a bunch of fake star signs and this was one of them: "Tangentarius (The Divergent Thinker)
Dates: February 3 - February 23
Traits: Frequently goes off on tangents, sees connections others miss, and has a highly associative mind. Often sparks interesting, unexpected conversations."
My mom was very clear throughout my childhood that ALL children should learn how to cook, clean and do laundry. She used to say that if you needed someone to do those things for you to survive then that’s not a spouse, that’s a parent.
On this side of the pond, I remember having to take computer classes (typically a keyboarding class in middle school and a computer science class in HS). These may not have been the most useful to me finding a career (no one cares about your WPM anymore), but they did get me familiar with how a computer works, some useful tricks (like F7 activating Spellcheck in Word), and, most importantly, it taught me how to realize that a program *should* be doing something and figuring out how to make it happen.
Now, I have college freshmen who have barely even seen Word or Outlook before college and need step by step instructions to do things like save a Word document and upload that Word document to the university system. Like, I have people that don't know what I mean when I say "upload a .docx file to the assignment."
Wait, what? They don't teach any of that in middle / high school anymore? I've been out of school a long time but I would have imagined that computers were taught even more now than before. I mean, how could they not be - computers are everywhere in modern life.
@@Me__Myself__and__II graduated HS 5 years ago and college last year. My district solely used Google Docs… I transferred in for 5th grade and my previous elementary school used MS suite. I refused to ever use Google docs when I could. I became proficient in both though and guess what? My community college, and college both used MS suite. I was helping a lot of people who had never dealt with word and I also got to see a lot of people struggle with bad Google doc presentations.
So it’s less that they aren’t getting taught this, but that they’re learning the wrong suite of apps that the college and business world use.
@@Me__Myself__and__I I think the idea is that Gen Z/Alpha is already supposedly familiar w/computers, so why bother teaching. The problem is that no one is actually teaching them, they're just being exposed to the most basic of ideas (like use Google Docs for everything).
@@tsnap4Yep, exactly that. Does make teaching kids about computer science a tad difficult in my day job.
@@tsnap4 Wow, really? If true that's sad and terrible. A lot of people aren't good at learning things on their own, they need a teacher to walk them through it step by step. Plus learning itself is a skill that frequently needs to be taught.
I’m actually going to blow everyone’s minds, my rural school got extra funds in the late 80s, so everyone got to do a semester of home economics, drafting, art, and wood shop, and computers, so we had some ideas of classes in high school to continue. My home economics had cooking, basic sewing, basic home math and all were open to boys and girls
I'm in my 30s and thinking back, the time I learned actually useful things at school lasted until I was 14 - when we still learned the basics for a wide variety of things. Any schools after that, the ones that are supposed to teach and prepare you for your future jobs - I could throw all of that knowledge away the moment I got a job.
I’m with Dave on the coding issue. Someday a spaceship’s gonna catch up to Voyager, but the crew will have to look up a FORTRAN tutorial on TH-cam to do anything with it.
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In my US middle school (11-14 year olds) we had 12 weeks each of family consumer sciences where we learned cooking, sewing, nutrition, advertising tactics, etc; tech ed where we coded robots (very basic code), and did woodworking with band saws, electric sanders, and other tools like that; and art, plus a typing class in 6th grade.
When was that?
@@helgabluestone2407 less than 10 years ago
I graduated High School in 1993 in the USA:
- Home Ec was not "sexist", it was an elective course for all. Everyone had to take one semester of it at some point. There were plenty of male students who took home Ec. Shop classes (wood or metal) were also electives available to all, with everyone required to take one semester of it at some point. There were plenty of girls who elected shop, just as boys who elected to take home Ec. The thought was "You should know how to cook, sew a button, or repair something around the house.
- In shop classes, you had to draw basic plans for your projects. Mechanical drafting and Architectural drafting were separate elective courses (I took both- Mechanical for one year, Architectural for all four years).
- In High School, wood shop required us to turn one project on the lathe. It could literally have been a cylinder with different shapes showing you could use the different lathe tools. Most people turned gavels.
- In Middle School in the late 80s, we had to write a very basic program. 10 = Hello 20 = Let's Play a Game.
- PE classes (PE was a blanket term for both "gym" and "health") did teach dumb shit like tilting your head back, but it also had our (attractive) sex ed teacher show how to put a condom on a banana. Swiftly, and with one hand... showing she was well practiced. Then again, it also forced us to watch the "child birthing video". PE was absolute chaos.
We had to watch the childbirth video in 10th grade biology class. It engraved itself on my brain so deeply that I was nearly 40 before I was able to watch an animal (my mother’s dog) give birth without feeling sick. No, I don’t have children of my own. 😁
On the subject of getting somebody else to do simple housework tasks like hanging a picture or changing a plug-sure, if you're making more per hour than what it cost to hire a professional to do it, and you don't find it fun to do it yourself, then it makes sense... But the thing is, if somebody else is going to do it for you, are you going to use the saved time to make money, or are you just gonna watch them do it instead of you... Because, no matter how much you earn per hour, if somebody else is not saving you the time, you're losing money by not doing it yourself.
When I was in school “Home Ec”, as it was referred to, was just cooking and textiles ( basically making cakes and how to wash clothes). That was in the 90s.
DT or Home Ec were options you got at 15, you weren’t made to take one over the other based on what was between your legs. Three girls took DT and 1 lad took Home Ec (because that’s where all the girls were, pretty sound reasoning if you asked me 😂)
I was the only guy in my cookery class in the 90s
@@kieronparr3403 for the same reason? You have my respect.
As a woman I was not allowed, by my parents, to take woodworking or shop(car maintenance) in school, (because they felt that those classes were only for guys), I also wasn't allowed to take art (because they thought it wouldn't serve me in the future) and refused to take home-ec because I knew they wanted me to... now I suck at everything, lol, at least I have youtube to teach me how to change a tire! just let your kids go do stuff, they'll probably hate what they thought they'd love, and losing part of a finger in shop class builds character, lol.
I had the same parental issues with what I was allowed to learn (or not) by mostly my father. He didn’t want me to take any “man” classes. That was in the mid/late 80’s. Guess what I did when o got into college? All the things he denied me to learn.
Kids these days. They can’t send a telegraph, can’t attach a horse to a carriage, can’t fix an oil lamp…
My son isn’t being taught cuneiform. Tragic.
Seriously? What has education come to? Lol
Kids today flaunting all their fingers. Like we get it, you don't have to reach into large machinery anymore, whooptie doo
And here I am in my retirement learning these skills that were ignored in my youth.
Lazy too. My son just sits around all day and whines. He needs to get out and get a job. He's almost three for God's sake. Wasting his life away.
As someone who lost count of how many fights I was in, in highschool I worked out the nosebleed treatment on my own. I sat on the side of the road after a fight one afternoon at first I tilted my head back but that made the sun shine directly in my eyes so I tilted my head forward. It was the quickest a nose bleed had ever stopped and I have continued to do it that way ever since. It was the late 80's when I discovered this for myself.
That home ec class example blew my mind. I was in high school in the early 90's in Canada, and we had two classes that everyone (boys and girls) had to take mandatory in grade 8 - one was a semester each of Cooking/Sewing/Typing and Economic planning, and the other was one semester each of Woodworking, Metalworking, Electronics and Art, just so that every student had a basis to judge if they wanted to take further courses in those areas in later grades. I don't think Home Ec being for women only has been a thing here since the 1970's.
I learned about personal finance from video games. Namely RPGs that had money. I actually learned how to read from video games as well, because I wanted to understand the manual(and later reading the text boxes in RPGs because this was LONG before voice acting). I learned basic math from video games. I did learn how to cook in school, but I learned proper cooking etiquette from a Sesame Street episode where Elmo learned how to cook. I learned how to be a decent human being and communication skills from my parents(at one point schools here did try to teach that). My numbers and shapes from Sesame Street. The only thing my schools tried to teach me was how to read(by the time I got to that point I had known how to read for over a year), algebra(of which I have never once used), music(which didn't teach me how to read sheet music, just how to properly handle and use certain instruments), physical education(a fancy name for essentially learning how to throw a ball) and History(this was literally the only subject I liked, and I still learned more about history from the internet than I did in school).
By the time schools where I lived got around to teaching anything related to computers, I already knew more about them than the teacher because I had had a PC in my home for several years by this point. Not saying I was some form of genius or anything, just that the school education portion was extremely lacking. I was the kid that would install games on the class computers, and the one that kept bypassing the school's efforts at stopping games from being installed. I even programmed my own game on one of the school computers after reading a how-to guide in a magazine on the subject. I was reprimanded for this because "games are not a productive use of time", and my game was promptly deleted with no chance for me to back it up.
Most everything I know and use regularly today, I learned outside of school on my own.
Granted, it should be noted that my schooling time occurred in the '80s and '90s. Computers were still seen as a nerds domain(and worthy of being beaten up over), and there were still quite a few hang-ups going around, like Home Economics were for girls, shop class was for boys, and you avoided teaching anything other than white history unless it was absolutely unavoidable. As messed up as this might sound, my high school had a language course called "Ebonics", which was labeled as "how to talk to black people". Yeeeaaahh. That language course lasted two years, then was pulled without a word.
Shout out to all the '80s and '90s teachers who tried to convince their students that they wouldn't always have a calculator available to perform math calculations. I have three of them at any given time. And not because I need them, but because they are just always there. One in my phone, one in my watch, and one on my computer because most of my work is done on a computer any way(laptop, so it comes with me when I go out anywhere).
Shout out to Dave for hating school about as much as I did!
Our Design Tech teacher missing 4 of his fingers was the best safety warning I could have asked for as a child. The man was a walking 'caution' sign
9:42 NGL Simon…
If he started a basic cooking channel, it’d fit right in and get PLENTY of views. 😂
He'd get views just reacting to other people cooking.
I'd watch. 😆
@@theConquerersMamaI think he would be competing with Gordon Ramsay in the food rage department!
@@joshuaboulee8190 😆🍷here for the rage and tangents!
Simon you officially owe my cat an apology, I laughed so hard while watching this he got scared and ran off.
Simon's tangents are even funnier when you realize he's in a room by himself talking to a camera
At my school within New England, USA. Girls & boys were taught in mixed PE, mixed home, mixed DT, mixed personal finance, mixed sewing. But there was also girls only and boys only PE & s3x ed. Which was nice. We also learned how to use a checkbook, that a credit card was not free money, how to do federal taxes, how to keep a business going, household management, how to use a cash register, (I don't think they had high hopes for most of us), how to budget, and how to landscape and take care of plants we also had a school garden and first aid/CPR. It was I think handled really well and well done. I didn't care for the free child labor around school grounds. It was labeled as "volunteer work" and we needed 50 hours to be able to graduate.
When mom and dad both work, kids learn home economics for survival. Struggle with telling right from wrong, but you can't have everything
Any actual evidence for your claim about right or wrong; or just your opinion?
@@archstanton6102 just school shootings and drug useand stuff
@@nathanbopp6163 And that only happens in homes where both parents work?
I look forward to readinf your fact checked evidence on this.
So you’ve got nothing…
I took home ec cuz i wanted to know cooking and sewing for survival reasons, not woodworking or shop class
Shout out to the editor 😆 Always an adventure on Brain Blaze!
For real, loved the Simon & siblings family photo 😆
When my dad was in school, he fought to take Home Economics. He was the first boy in the school to take it. By the time I got there, it was separated in cooking class (which I didn’t take), sewing (which I took but my dad taught me when I was way younger).
I did take wood shop in junior high (middle school).
I really appreciate home ec. and shop class. Home Ec. taught me how to do basic stitching sewing. So I could repair my own clothes. Shop class. I made this really cool lamp out of metal. Everyone else opted to make the Woodworking lamps, and I noticed the metal shop in the back of the room.
Paying someone to hang pictures is wild
In the late '50s, a male classmate had the career plan to become a chef. He wanted to take Home Ec, but they wouldn't let him, because he had too many Y chromosomes.
I couldn’t take shop class for the opposite reason.
I hope he just had one!
About 1 in 1,000 boys have it. Boys with XYY syndrome - also known as 47,XYY - might be taller than other boys. Other symptoms can include problems with spoken language and processing spoken words, coordination problems, weaker muscles, hand tremors, and behavioral problems.
I did home economics which covered sewing, basic cooking and basic woodwork in the 70's. The girls were encouraged to get comfortable with a screwdriver etc and the boys a needle and thread. Later we did health education which covered kitchen higene, nutrition and hand washing for clothes. It was hilarious when it came to contraception as we knew more kinds than the teacher.
Thank you for making me feel even more delight in the small city school in northern Canada where I teach. I teach chemistry and physics, but we have amazing wood shop, automotive shop, welding, foods, technology, fashion, and cosmetology options. All kids can take any of them, and we have young men going into cooking and cosmo for careers, and young women going into automotives and welding as careers as well. Those aren’t the only options we have as well. We have psychology, paleontology, health science, outdoor Ed, and a board game option for grade 9.
Not bad for a school of 700 kids in the north.
Edit: Kevin will also be happy to hear that I run the Magic the Gathering and Dungeons and Dragons Club as well.
I wish we had those when I was in school, I couldn't choose computer class and so they shoved me in an agricultural class. Thanks for what you do
I'm 31 and was never taught coding either in secondary school or during 2 years of ICT in College. We didn't even have computers in primary school until I was in year 4.
I'm 20 and never learned code in school, and no I went to a fairly good district (like one of the top 10% in the entire US) not some beat up old cesspool of a school district in the middle of nowhere.
Simon, how am I supposed to know that Dave wrote this script, you haven't seen it before and this is the format of the show if you don't tell me each and every episode?
At the end of the video the credits for host/ scriptwriter/editor are displayed.
@@danielriley7380 it was a joke.
@@danielriley7380 r/woosh
I loved wood shop in middle school, made me choose to go to vo-tech in high school for machine shop. I spent most of my time there, with my friends, running an assembly line of "smoking devices" on the lathes 😂 we made so much money selling those things lol. Here I am now, 11 years since graduation, and now a fully fledged machinist lol
I grew up in Canada in a forestry town and we had a full wood workshop and metal workshop.. the teachers would just scream at everyone to keep them from dicking around and hurting themselves lol
For good reason, lol. I personally know two people who are missing fingers from saw accidents. One happened at home but the other was in the high school wood shop. He had to be airlifted to a bigger hospital and lost 3 fingers after tangling with a radial arm saw
I mean that is about the best safety, there are some edge cases where guards latches and such can help but in most cases they are no more usefull than just basic common sense, ie, don't try and grab shit directly off a lathe or stick your hand in front of a miter box.
My husband actually did set our kitchen on fire trying to boil water lol! Actually it was a pretty awful experience.
11:25 when I took “shop” class way back in 2001 (around 11 years old for me, US), we called it IA, for Industrial Arts
14:33 that broke me. Also, I graduated high school in Massachusetts in 2004. We had a huge auto shop, class projects were things like build a car. All the power tools you could ever need. Granted, there were like 5000 kids in my school, it was enormous.
About kids showing up at kindergarten not yet potty trained: it was probably given much higher priority back when you had to actually rinse, wash and dry every single cloth nappy. Which I did, before there were disposables available. The sooner they can get themselves to the can, the fewer diapers you need to wash. Just sayin.
It probably has a lot more to do with the fact that special needs kids are not included in main stream education in a way that they were not 30+ years ago.
That it's no longer a legal(in the US) reason to exclude a kid from starting school.
Definitely did not expect the Linus/LTT meme 🤣
Be sure to continually not expect more, so I can put more in.
@@VulianJuFind a reason to use the "hard-r" clip.
My middle school (US) had Shop and Home Ec. in the early 90s. Loved shop so much, it is the reason why I have a woodshop today.
My school district did the full gambit for HomEc, but they did it in 6-8th grade. (Read to the end, I promise you it won't disappoint).
They started off by unleashing a bunch of 11 and 12 year olds into a room full of sewing machines to make a simple gym bag, resulting in multiple pierced thumbs, one of which had gone through bone and needed to be surgically removed. (Apparently this was an ongoing issue for a few years at this point). Next they did simple cooking such as popping a can of Pillsbury biscuits (the American kind) and baking them per manufacturers instructions.
In 7th grade, they moved on to diet and nutrition along with slightly more advanced home cooking, followed by trying to get a bunch of 12 and 13 year olds to focus on lessons about budgeting, home finance and filing tax forms. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
In 8th grade they taught you how to do laundry (separating by temperature and color, using the right cleaning products, how to remove various types of stains, hand sewing, ironing, &c). Instead of cooking, it switched to child rearing. The first one was a glorified sack of rice hulls. My bus driver's son puked in the carrying tub when my back was turned so I marched it right to that teachers desk, plopped it down and walked out with her yelling at me to clean it up. She "filed" child abuse charges against me and had me "served" in the cafeteria, at which point my parents reported her to the principle, reminding them that it is illegal to ALLOW a student to clean up a biohazard, such as blood or vomit and that calling a CHILD out for "child abuse" in front of the whole school could be quite damaging to mental health and reputation.
The SECOND baby was electronic and recorded response time, tilt and g-shock events. Mine malfunctioned on the final evening and WOULD NOT STOP CRYING. My parents got so pissed about it keeping them up that they tried to "care" for it themselves then gave up and shoved it in the fireplace with a pillow over the speaker and closed the doors to muffle the sound. Fortunately, the batteries died by morning. UNfortunately, that same teacher tried to pull the same stunt again on top of giving me a 30% on the assignment because the thing reset when she swapped out the batteries so she couldn't see any actual score. The school got another phone call, this time on the direct line to the superintendent. I suspect my mom threatened to report them at the state level since she was a retired teacher and knew some pretty weighty names at the time. Either that or my aunt, who was the personal secretary to a county judge, had a strongly worded letter written to the school on some judicial stationary. Either way, the teacher was quickly forced to write an apology letter and fill in a score that matched my current GPA.
It's not like she was targeting just me, either. In fact, I was one of her favorite students, constantly getting praised for my cooking and hand sewing (which my dad had been teaching me from a very young age). She was just batshite frackin' crazy.
Another parent called in about her after an entire lesson that was centered around hunting for hidden meanings in song lyrics, focusing heavily on stalking and SA. I have NO idea how she managed to keep her job that year.
19:19 SCOTT STERLING! What a Legend!
absalute legend.
I did get a chuckle out of this. 7:44 A friend of mine was living in England in 1997 for a year while her husband finished university. She had a masters degree. Apparently she wasn’t qualified to get a part time job because she hadn’t taken secretary classes. 😂
This is a lie. Thank you for participating
Simon - Hey guys, I have a great PE Teacher joke
Unknown Massive Stranger - I better warn you that I'm a PE teacher.
Simon - OK Mate. I'll tell it slowly then
I’m gen X. Went to Home Ec. class in 1979-1981. Curriculum was for girls and boys, things like maintaining a bank account, sensible grocery shopping, cooking and yes, basic sewing. It was not sexist and was in fact quite balanced and practical. I lived in a disadvantaged rural area. I feel like sometimes people confuse the late 20th century with the late 19th.
Where are the "Baldness Stops With Simon" T-shirts? Those will sell harder than Rotting Turtle.
This is very specific to the author. I as a male did home economics in the 90s. Also there were a few girls in my shop class.
In Canada, in the 70's we had Industrial Arts (or "Shop") and Home Economics (or "Home Ec."). We only had these in Grade 7 and 8 in elementary school. I went to a small private high school, which didn't offer either.
Boys had to take Shop class for 2 of the 3 school terms, and girls had to take Home Ec. for the same 2 terms. You could switch for the third term, but the catch was that you had to find a kid of the opposite sex who also wanted to switch, which was nearly impossible. So, effectively boys and girls were stuck in their assigned class for the entire school year.
There are only ever about 2 people on the planet at a time that actually know how to write original code. Everyone else just copies their code to make ours do what we want.
Personal finance isn’t an oversight. It’s an intentional handicap
At my - not rated great in the league tables - secondary school in the 90s, we had a module called Business Studies, where we used Macintosh Classic II's to learn how business works, and whilst it wasn't specifically personal finance, obviously by extension of learning business finance, it helped with personal finance too. Someone from Natwest also came out to talk to us about bank accounts. I don't see why either of these things are not still happening.
@@AndrewJonesMcGuire I remember doing some personal finance in home ec in Sweden, probably late 90s or early 00s.
It's still in the current curriculum.
i had to dissect, explore, and research this topic exhaustively for a university class. there are 2 broad approaches to education. they could be termed as "liberal" and "industrial". liberal teaches you the basics of everything from the pantheon of knowledge and from there in university you specialize. the 2nd method, industrial, just equips you to be a valuable part of the labor force (if the skills happen to still be relevant by the time you graduate). this obviously will get you a job but will limit you if you wish to pursue something different.
these 2 broad methods are extremes and an education can fall in between, but usually leans towards one direction or the other.
I think it’s a shame that Home Economics & Shop aren’t taught in schools anymore. They were already gone, though when I was in school. Cooking, cleaning, fixing things around the house are skills that everyone should have. I never got the chance in school & to this day, I can barely even cook a frozen meal for myself & I can’t fix anything.
The sippy cup is back!
When I went to University my college taught loads of PE Teachers.....I can concur...most were thick!!😅😅😅😅😅
Dave is on fire! Totally agree with his take on programming. Most young engineers I work with have a hard time understanding how code actually does what it does leading to shotgunning problem solving wasting tons of time
Australia still has DT! 🇦🇺
Lots of wonky step-stools and bulky “treasure” boxes in my house..
Home Economics is still alive and kicking too...
Felted pouches and a knowledge of how to make homemade pizzas is still celebrated…
As someone who graduated in 2023, the expectations in school SUCK. Yes, there have been some improvements in certain classes (ie, history & english), but the expectations were so low that I learned I didn't need to try. I skipped around 3/4 of my high-school classes and graduated with high honors, a 3.98 GPA, & nearly top of the class. The standards are incredibly low.
That being said, we still learn home-ec equivalents in the US. I took classes on cooking, baking, pastries, food & restaurant service, food science, wood working, metal work, infant care, sewing, fashion analysis, design, interior design, and architecture. However, it is now co-ED (thank god).
It varies by area. I went to one school for my freshman and sophomore year, and another halfway across the country for my last 2 and I was being taught things in my honors math and English class that I already learned in like 7th grade.
I also had a (honors as well) history teacher who legitimately thought the first president of the United States was a black man and I had to explain to her that black people weren’t even considered people at that time, let alone citizens, and let alone allowed to rise to that level of power… she also didn’t know that the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote… she also went on a rant on May 3, 2011 saying we shouldn’t be celebrating the death of Bin Laden…. We didn’t get along.
I graduated in 2012.
I feel like kids showing up for school without being potty-trained first is a symptom of all of their parents' time and energy being stolen in the name of Line Must Go Up by work, social media, and companies shifting more work to their customers (e.g. spending an hour on the telephone trying to pay your doctor bill because the hospital can't be bothered to build a proper website or pay enough people to answer the phone).
Anyway, Home Ec was a great foundation to learn to be a functioning adult. I use what I learned in Home Ec way more than what I learned in my crappy finance class that was taught by an evangelical Christian who thought that the best way to manage money was to pray. I know a lot about finance now, but I picked it all up outside of school.
It's been a problem for a long time.
Remember kids starting school could have had their third birthday the day before(obviously no idea about the US, but 3-4 for joining year 0 of school is normal). About 50% are potty trained by 2 years, but 18% aren't fully potty trained until 4 years of age.
I don't think that age has changed much, we're just more aware of it being a problem now, if it wasn't there'd be no reason for year 0 kids to have a spare set of clothes in case of accidents(which has been a requirement for the last 30 years as far as I'm aware).
@scragar US usually have to be 5yrs by like Sept/Oct to start kindergarten, there's a pre-k which I think is 4yrs min, but I don't know if all states have that. 1st grade (full day) is usually 6yrs old on average, and increases from there (assuming kids don't get held back a year)
I’m from the States and I took Home Ec in middle school in the mid-90s.
It was one of my favorite classes. We learned to cook 3 dishes: one breakfast dish, one dinner entree, and one dessert. Mostly it was so we learned how to read a recipe, how to measure ingredients, and a few basic cooking techniques and terms.
We had a unit on sewing where we got to make some pajama shorts. It focused on how to use a pattern, how to use a sewing machine, how to make a buttonhole and sew on a button, and a little bit of hand stitching.
We had an “egg baby” unit, where we were given an egg that we had to keep safe for a week.
We had a nutrition unit. We had a unit on finances (which included balancing a checkbook, credit, and taxes). And we had a health unit that had sex ed lessons that were more informative and less “it always ends in pregnancy and/or death!” than the official school sex ed.
About 1/4 of my home Ec class were boys, so it wasn’t that unusual for guys to take that class.
I was disappointed when my own kid started middle school a couple years ago and I found out that his school got rid of Home Ec just before Covid.
The necessary supplies and electrical costs were too expensive, apparently.
Grad in 2009 and we had awesome home economics classes in NY. Finances and taxes, cooking and nutrition, even learned how to sew by hand or machine
Factboy!
We need personal finance classes so badly!!! This is why people are poor!!! I am a landlord in a rural county with only 10,000 people. Houses are very cheap here, sometimes 5 digits! I see applications with people's financial info and everything else - most do not have the slightest idea how money works. They make good money, but they're still poor. They will never be able to buy a home, they will always be renting from me. That cost twice as much as owning a house. I just had to explain to a guy what a credit score is!
And they have no idea what "budget" means. Some have to pay biweekly instead of monthly, same price, but they cannot figure out how to save their own cash. Yet they always seem to have a bigger TV than I do...
As someone who had a personal financing class, it is definitely helpful, and should be standardized nation wide as a graduation requirement.
As someone who got a computer science degree and started my college career in 2000, I'm with Dave. I had to learn to write up my program either on notepad, saved to either a . Java or . C++ file , or typing it straight in CMD and then having to telnet in to save my programs and then compile and ensure it ran. And I absolutely know the endless pain of combing through my program to find which stupid semicolon or which object I forgot to close out. That is a special pain that students do not get to deal with. And yes I am jealous but also there's just something different about writing and memorizing just all the garbage you had to start your program off with, remembering which variables you already used, and then after taking an hour to write it the joy when it FINALLY compiles and doesn't spit out garbage. But Simon is also right, it is kind of boomerish of us... Dang kids.
I started with FORTRAN in college and got several hundred pages of error codes due to a single line with one less space than needed before the line number and the code.
Damn
I live in England, and was a teenager in the '70s. In maths, we were taught about hire purchase. I can't remember much about working out percentages - but it taught me an important lesson. If you bought stuff on hp, it cost more because of the interest - so why not wait until you save the money? ( I know it's not always possible - such as getting a mortgage to buy a house.) Later, after I got married I'd buy some items from catalogues, where you could pay the total amount over 20 to 30 weeks. (There was no interest to pay) With bigger items I would save at least half the amount before ordering.
Kids no longer learn cursive writing. How will they ever sign their lives away when they are of age?? When I was in grade 10 we had a class callef Career and Life Management that sidnt teach anything but sex ed. Nothing about getting a job or finances or relationships. It was a good thought but with no value...
There is no legal requirement that your signature has to be in cursive. You can sign your name in any format you please.
Anarchy In the UK!
I'm a CTE teacher. It's a lot of different programs. We have: automotive repair, welding, manufacturing engineering (technical drawing and robotics etc), cyber security, graphic design, Audio Visual Tech, Nursing, cosmetology, marketing, business, culinary, law and safety, ROTC.
I left school in 2003 and both HFE (Home Foot Economics) and DT (Design Technology) were mandatory for boys and girls for the first 2 years of secondary school. After that we had the option to continue with them if you wanted or to drop them.
I dropped HFE but continued with DT which covered Resistant Materials (Metal and Wood working).
I'm Canadian, and I'm old. When I was in school, boys and girls took cooking and sewing classes. Same thing with woodworking and electronics.
I did Home Ec in a public UK school as it was for both boys and girls, and CDT was also for boys and girls. I learnt how to cook and sew, and I really enjoyed the cooking parts of HE especially after being able to eat what you cooked, and sometimes you had to try what others had cooked as well. The sewing part was kinda boring, but as a single person it has become very useful when I need to repair something, and I do have a small sewing machine for more advanced repairs and alterations. I also learnt more advanced cooking from my Mum as she taught me how to cook things like Sunday roasts, and how to make things from scratch.
I got an extra $500 last week for doing a few easy odd jobs for people in my building. Glad there are people like Simon who pay people like me to do things pretty much anyone could learn to do. I could even do it around my full time office job.
Here in Australia, boys did Home Ec with the girls up to year 10. Textiles, garment construction were electives along with art, ceramics etc. In year 9 and 10 we did a subject called Consumer Education which covered budgets, accounting, legal stuff like jury duty and the small claims court, how to write checks, deposit and withdraw money, how to vote, basic politics, resume writing and job hunting.
Home Economics was cooking and serving food, making desserts, cooking main meals including meat cooking and vegies, pastry making and so on.
We girls also had an opportunity to do metal work, wood work, graphic art as electives, along with typing. I learned to soldeer, cut metal, drill etc. Mind you, dad taught me how to change a fuse, change tyres, change a car fuse, use a drill or a hammer etc as a kid.
In those days, if you wanted to be a plumber, builder etc, you would leave a general high school at 14 or 15, and go to a technical school which had its lessons more leaning towards the trades. Many folk started an apprenticeship around 15 or 16 and would have classes for a week every month or so, while working with a fully qualified tradesman.
I was a primary school teacher in Australia for about 10 years. We were still supposed to teach handwriting. I never did it. I'd get the laptops out and have them do typing practice. It was clearly more useful. I may or may not have overlooked some other archaic bollocks so that I had time to teach them coding.
15:17 omfg the fact that Simon’s example of a home improvement task is “hanging a picture” 😂😂😂 not even like, putting together IKEA furniture or something, just straight-up putting a nail in the wall- hire a guy! 😂😂
Well if it’s a heavy enough painting, it can get a bit more complex than a nail in a wall, like finding stud and using the right anchor. I’ve seen picture hanging fails rip holes into drywall from the item being too heavy. Maybe that’s what he meant.
I was homeschooled by my mom, then went on to earn a GPA of 3.9 in aircraft maintenance at 23. That was after I earned my private pilot license at 21. It probably helped that I could take apart and put an engine back together among other things and make it work at 15. By the time I was 17 I was taking seriously damaged small engines and getting them running again and reliable. Beyond that I learned to cook, build, garden, hunt, fish, manage a domicile, raise kids (I was second of 6), harvest firewood, fix vehicles, raise animals, run heavy machinery, etc. etc. I want to know how many publicly schooled kids learned all those basics by 18 (obviously the more advanced stuff was later)
I love how all the editing done i know where it came from. Funny enough i look forward to it as much as ghe video lol
My dad was a plumber. When I was about 9 (1970's), he taught me how to use the pipe threading and pipe bending machines. I happily "hepled" on the odd Sunday emergency job until I was about 12 and got my own off-the-books job at a local news stand; 20 hours Saturday and sunday and another 10 after school during the week. All of the above is, sadly, completely illegal now.