I tried to Trade In for the NEW TYPE R
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- Brought my FK8 to the Honda dealership to see what they'd give us for Trade In value, as well has how much they were asking for the FL5 with Mark Up
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Most dealerships I find online try to sell an FK8 Civic type R for $45000 to $50000 regardless of what year or miles on it. The fact that they only offered you$26000 is offensive to me.
LOL I would buy your car for $26K
I have a 2018 sti and subaru offered me 25k and I only have 34k miles. I laughed and walked out because they're selling sti's for 38k+ for my milage.
Yea that’s crazy, these dealerships are smoking some good shyt.
@@rastaman7140 more like that processed stuff.
I paid 48 k for my 2021 fk8 😢
Everyone, do not pay $1 above msrp
That's right, save your money for that bus pass. The rest us will wave to you as we drive by...
@@BigBear-- lol You are all over YT defending the fact you got scammed into a CTR...I wonder how much you overpaid?
@@BigBear-- th-cam.com/video/5hfYJsQAhl0/w-d-xo.html
@@Blackdawn80 Not much actually. For those that are genuinely interested in buying one, I try to give legit advice on how to find one for the lowest mark-ups possible. I'm not even claiming to have gotten the best deal, just better than average, and so far only one person that actually works for a dealership that's privately owned has been able to buy one at MSRP.
I just can't stand haters and retards, and bad advice.
@@BigBear-- I get you, I do. But when I hear (and see videos) of dealers asking over 1/4 of the MSRP as a markup or more, it’s very difficult to just stay quiet and not call it out as a crime. At the end of the day it’s your money but it’s an honest disservice to the rest of consumers when one person is willing to overpay knowing this will cause a domino effect. Of course one could argue, “if not me, someone else will do it and get the vehicle I want” but again, markup exists when people are paying it. Can I pay the markup? Of course, but Honda isn’t going to run out of these, specially not at $60k each.
When you're in M3 pricing territory time to walk away
Yes, even though I don’t think I would buy a m3 even for that money. Just heard to much bad stuff about them falling apart and constant maintence and of course being bmw (expensive maintenance)but I do like the newer front end on the m3’s. No doubt a cool car just would probably grab something else at that cash
Exactly… especially now that BMW has a reliable B58 Inline-6 that makes more horsepower & is faster smh. I’m not a BMW fan, but man the Honda Dealers are making their German competitors look good right now smh.
Sold my 2021 FK8 in April for 45k with 18k miles. 26k is insulting. Im going for a g80 m3 at this point. No way in hell I’m spending 70k plus for a civic
The consumers need to stick together on this one. Dealers need to learn that they can't get away with markups... and anyone that does pay it should feel shame.
We need to write 1 star reviews and hate mail. Let them few pressure. Also complain to FTC.
I walked into my local honda dealership just before christmas to ask about the new CTR and Si. I was told on the incoming Sonic Grey Pearl Si they have coming in, they want 3K market adjustment, a non negotiable 2.5K “protection package” and a 1K non refundable deposit to reserve the car. The singular Type R they have coming in has been pre-purchased for 15k over sticker. Looks like I will be continuing my search for a FK8
not even hiding the fact that they're trying to rob you 😂
74gs WOAH!!!!!! FOR A CIVIC
@@JasonSmith-zu3rn that is a Toyota Rav 4 , 2022 , fully loaded.
Am I the only one that likes the FK8 look over the new FL?
It’ll definitely take time for people to adjust to the new look
FL5 growing on me for sure, but I see where your coming from
I like both looks. New one looks like a baby GTR. Skyline looks.
The way the economy is looking, if you can wait 6 months you should find these at or below MSRP when the market flips.
Meh they been saying thay for the past 3 years lol...
@@ilovepizza8263 that’s because the market was hot due to the free money people got and little to no interest rates. Now that there’s no more free money and high / still increasing rates there’s a smaller pool of buyers.
@Christian Izaguirre doubt it, still stupid hard to find any vehicle at msrp. I just bought my gv70 for 70k and was waiting for a whole year because of demand. Same thing for my bronco.
Your FK8 with the white Mugen kit makes your Type R way top 🔥 to trade in for a $70k FL5
Maybe hold on to your machine a couple more years and see what things look like then?? 🤷♂️
Good video. Great looking FK8! I like the way the Mugen kit softened up the lines like you stated. I was just on Copart and the market value for the FK8 on some of the cars listed is upwards of 45k with over 20k miles on the odometer! I would imagine them asking over 60k for your car… they thought they had a sucker on the line in you and were salivating on the potential ripoff they were hoping to get… I drive an FK8 and was debating if I should get the new one. What’s good about the FK8 is it’s the first Type R offered to the States and it’s aggressive styling. I’m keeping mine. I’d rather wait for the new R offerings from Honda/Acura I can imagine them coming out with something really special in the near future & not so similar to what I already have. 😎🤙🏽🙏🏽
Thank you! Enjoy your fk8 as well
The impression I'm getting is that the FK8 is a better car. It might have been the throttlehouse video but it showed the FK8 being faster than the FL5. The easy way to prevent the red carpet from looking bad over time is to put clear floor mats over it or matching red weathertech mats.
Don’t think they make red colored weather techs Or too many aftermarket mats. Clear would be kinda cool I didn’t think of that, but I bet they would get that kinda yellowing color that clear rubber stuff changes to. but I think just a black weather tech mat looks really good. You can still see plenty of red carpet peeking out in places. The factory Honda all weather mats I’ve got in the fl5 right now are cool but they just don’t cover enough on the driver side, so I think I will be getting weather techs. I saw some cool type r logos that you can remove the weather tech logo on the mats and put on the type r logo and it actually looks really nice.
Thats crazy. I paid no markup on my 2018 FK8. I went to a dealership here in VA and they wanted 15K over MSRP on the FL5. Laughed all the way home
I owed $27,000 on my 2021 FK8 with 28k miles on it , long story short , I got $39,500 for my trade in on a 2022 Mach1 so needless to say I now own a Brand new Mustang Mach 1 and my opinion the FK8 looks like a Type R , the FL5 looks like an Accord with a wing … keep ur FK8
I wouldn't even talk to anybody at a dealership with those ridiculous prices for any car
$75k for a Honda is just absolutely insane. No reason to be polite to them. We gotta tell them straight up that they are out of their minds. Only reason they’re getting away with this is because there are idiots out there willing to pay that much for this car.
Awesome video!! I bought a new 2019 FK8 in the spring of 2019 and have really liked it!! I have not modified it and have put 15k miles on it! I have enjoyed every mile! I might trade or sell my fk8 because I am looking to get an fl5 from the dealership I bought my fk8 at! The fk8 and fl5 are both incredible cars and I don’t think a person can go wrong with either one!! I am a new subscriber and I look forward to more of your videos! Hope you have a very Merry Christmas! 🚙🎄🤜🏼🤛🏼👍🏼😀
Both are awesome and whatever you choose to do, I hope you enjoy 👍🏻 thank you 🙏🏻
Perfect argument on performance
Mans is riding the FK8 HEAVY 😂
I have a feeling all these markups are forced on customers so that EVs are sold. Just every car company at the same time is doing the same thing.
If you are going gas we are going to make it hurt as much as we can. That's the feel I'm getting these days.
Markups only exist because people have paid them. If no one paid more than msrp they would not exist.
That's 2023 IS500 territory.
That dealer looks vaguely familiar. Is that the Westminster Honda World? I could be wrong. They have very high markup there. Even for the FK8 when they were new.
Sell your car elsewhere, and then go back and say alright guys 10k over right now let’s get it done today. I payed 10k over for mine, I jumped on it when I found one and didn’t do much more looking after that. I’ve heard some people finding it at msrp and I’ve heard of some paying 5k over and some paying 7 and 8k over. But Atleast for me I couldn’t justify paying anymore than 10k over so I was fairly happy. Of course would have been nice to get it cheaper but the 15-25k over msrp is just pretty crazy to me. I would really either not buy a car period or look at something totally different at that price point.
I wonder what time they would have gotten if they put everything on +R and the suspension on comfort, with traction fully off (pedal dance).
I own an 2020 FK8 and honestly the FL ain't it at all. I wouldn't ever trade in my ctr for that accord look alike. I'll give it to them on the cleaner dash and non suede steering wheel but that's about it for me. Def not worth no $10k-$30k markup. They are smokin that good shiet if they expect the target audience to pay that...
I think its so ridiculous. I used to sell cars 15 years ago. The guy bought a 03 Roush Mustang that had a $5k addendum added to it. He came in a week later to trade in for an expedition. The used car manager/appraiser said it is just a Mustang GT with ground effects, and gave a trade value $10k less than he paid for it.
$22k is insane. The Honda dealer by me in their defense has only gotten one. Honda should manufacture more.
They will in about a year or so. Right now the "situation" is a huge problem
FK8 for life boiiiiiiiiii🏎️
Walk in like an Alpha and if its over MSRP you walk out like an Alpha. They are just trying to find suckers.
They did a 1/4 mile drag race and the 11th gen is slower than the 10th gen lol
10th gen looks a lot
Better then the 11th
30k above msrp is ridiculous for any car. These dealers are just greedy and people are just impatient to wait it out.
Yeah my dads friend cancelled his z06 order because it was $50k markup, he has the money as he bought his c8 at the same time he ordered z06 just to drive until zo6 was ready. People understand maybe $5k for certain vehicles, but dealers have gotten ridiculous
Honda Headquarters should start doing Head for the mark ups ...
Love the content
Dude I think yours is way nicer, and after the ridiculous markups dealers should be legally charged with felonies. I know about the law of supply and demand, but when outright robbery is encouraged enough is enough ya know?
If its too stiff than there no point of getting the type r at all and that's the whole point of a type r for racing that stiffness is for handling around corners .whoever that don't like it just buy the si or ex models .
Stiffer doesn’t mean better. Watch the track videos. As it stands, the unanimous consensus is that the R mode is SO stiff that it upsets the car, directly from drivers like Keiichi Tsuchiya.
I wonder why they wouldn’t dial it back a bit if their pro drivers were Saying these things. Apparently it was the lead engineer I think that wanted it super stiff. So I guess he got what he wanted.
The new one looks so much better then your 10th gen... Crazy how much cleaner it looks.
Excellent detail info 💪
Smh the mark up costs more than my WRX
... not looking forward to seeing the markup on the Type-S Integra either.
It's crazy that people would pay so much over asking when they will never get that money back when they try to sell it later. It's not like the Type R's are rare or that Honda is only going to produce a limited amount.
Unless someone is buying it as purely a collectors car and keeping it in the garage for the next 20 yrs I don't see a point in paying over sticker, but hey we all do what we want with our own money.
Mines a 2017 as well, & I only have 16k miles on mine. I’ve done way too much to my FK8, to start over w/a FL5!!! I like em, but c’mon w/that BS trade in value, & markup!!
30K over markup? Lame!! I wouldn't even pay 0.50 cents markup if they asked for it. Are they trying to make everyone seem stupid enough to throw away money for nothing? That's enough to drive someone through a 7 floor building. Keep yourFk8- there won't be another one like it. Idiots offering 26K for your car? My 2020 only has 4K miles on it. Last time I checked KBB on it and it was worth 47K.
Keep your FK8 man!!
I certainly am
30k mark up... rather get a Porsche cayman S. Also, FK8 > FL5 in aesthetics and bang for your buck
lol, go to a dealer and see how much they mark up those porsches
Oh hell no that’s west minister Honda? That’s sucks they are always over priced there but somehow they get one of the best cars
I’m glad there’s mark ups. Either the flippers make money or the dealers. It don’t matter. Keeps the car more exclusive. You broke people can cry about msrp all you want 😂
That ff7 bg music track 🤘
Those fl5 look way to bland
Pretty sure it's illegal in Canada to mark-up a car. Anyway, sticker price for my new FL5. Also got over 37k on a trade in for my stock 2018 FK8 with 47k kilometers on it.
Bro keep ur fk8 … I love ur car …👍 don’t make a mistake… to much money on mark up..
Thanks man, yeah I definitely won’t be making the switch
I was thinking the same keep the fk8 the new typer R looks like an audi to me specially the interior dashboard
That dealer is smoking crack. 26 for your car and 22 over for theirs lol
I keep telling people who are foolish enough to pay $30k over MSRP, if you are able to afford that then it makes more sense to buy a sports car actually worth $70K not a souped up Civic.
For $74k I’d buy a M340i n save almost 20k n it’s a BMW first of all n it has the B58. What more can I say.
In all honesty, this is why I got the Elantra N MT. It has ALOT better value than the CTR. for literally 10k less you get similar performance, a better sounding exhaust (by a long shot), and the choice between DCT and M/T. It's also easier to find at MSRP, so that's another win. 44k for a civic not including markup is a little steep.
Yeah but someone in the market for a type r is not going to buy an Elantra N. Yes it might be a good value and more available and stuff but Honda fans are usually pretty diehard Honda fans.
@ryan gregg Honda fans are who they are because of what honda USE to be. They're not gonna go crazy for a somewhat underwhelming 11th gen si or some other modern Honda. I strongly feel like you can get a lot more value with what the N division has to offer. I'm not downplaying the Type R, but I'm just saying that even for the CTR 40k+ is a lil steep for what it is. Put a lil tune on the N and it may as well be a type R. I sound like a Korean hyundai fanboy, but I promise you that's not the case. I'm just looking at the general competition, and the N cars really blow it out of the water.
Elantra N…def not a car guy
@@vaaro_m potato mindset
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Stiffer to accommodate wider and more aggressive tires. FK8 dampers are not aggressive enough. FL5 is 5-10% better in every way. Used FK8s are 45-50k and most dealers are 10k markup on the FL5. Seems like the video was a little biased soft bash lol.
I can’t say there isn’t some bias you’re right. But I can say that stiffer doesn’t mean better. Every review has said FL5 suspension is so stiff that it upsets the car. Tsuchiya and others actively driving it outside of R mode for every track test video; many sources saying the suspension was a step in the wrong direction. I can agree I came off harsh to the FL5 in this video. I do like it, but at 74k before Tax that the dealership was asking for (more than double what I paid for my FK8), its performance doesn’t justify the cost difference. A car is more than performance though, and it is indeed beautiful, refined, and will check the boxes for many people
Fk8's have been steadily going up/appreciating. This is reasonably different than 40k markups.
⚫When fk8 came out markups was around 4k, not 30 to 40 f*cking thousand dollars!!
⚫Fl5 is heavier, and slower than fk8 in drag race.
⚫Fl5 has a slightly bigger form factor, many would prefer it less for casual street driving
⚫Fl5 reasonably looks basic; looks like it's worth around 10k total. (May end up in the Doug Demuro aston martin attention test levels of ignore by general public)
⚫In video's I've seen, fk8 actually looks wider. So called width increase looks unnoticeable for fl5
Man I know! I’ve been seeing these used prices on fk8’s and it’s good to see Atleast they are holding value, but there are a few people out there that have gotten their fl5’s at msrp. I’d have been the happiest person in the world if I could have gotten one at msrp.
Getting a brand new one out the door for the same price as used fk8’s would be amazing
@@FL5_OGryan405 agreed!
that car has been sitting there since first days of November. that dealer is where I bought my 2019 FK8. they wanted 30K on Nov 6 when I saw it. guess they still do now.
they had a SOLD paper on it but they said its not sold. Idiots playing games. buying my FK8 here was seamless, not anymore.
Haha they had SOLD on the yellow LE that was there for literally over a year as well 💀
I honestly hate the Westminster Honda World dealership. Markups not matter how the economy is. Don’t buy there.
That mark up is f’ing ridiculous. Ain’t no civic out there worth $75k.
Sorry but it not worth the money for the FL5 $77.000 here in Australia and we get the fastest one
What value do the dealers add to justify this markup?
the value of scamming people
Never trade in your car bro. They always lowball the trade in value, you’re better off selling it to carmax or Autonation using that as a down payment.
26 thousand doesn't even cover the markup on the new car unbelievable so basically your giving them your car and dishing out 4000 plus the MSRP of the new car they are insane
I have my fk8 paid off and anything over 5k msrk up is pretty idiotic to allow. Let it sit there with no actual interest. It'll come down.
And people are still paying markup lol
Maybe I'm crazy but the previous body style looked better anyway.
People are fucking nuts to even think of paying anything over sticker highway robbery!!!!!!
I wouldnt even trade a fk8 for a fl5 the fk8 is faster in a 40 roll and 60 roll against a fl5
It's funny how everyone thinks what their car is worth. Especially a modded one. Dealers don't care about if your wheels are volks or reps. Stock always priced higher unless you sell private party.
Not worth trading in your FK8 its too new its too rare. You need to just buy another one if that is what you want. Not sure why you would want another Type R at those prices I would be happy with the FK8 and buy something more exotic.
Stop paying dealer markups!!!! It’s just a car! It’s not worth it
Wake up man $75000 for a Honda Civic is not worth it..if the new one worth that much yours should about the same!
I guess I have to be happy with what I paid 11k mark up
Where lol
$74,000 for a civic?!?!?!? No thank you lol
Markup when people are struggling to make rent. They're wrong
I thought I heard markup of $3,000 and I was like, ok, not terrible but these dealers 🙄 then I saw the sticker.... $25k markup on TOP of the $4-5000 bullshit add-ons. WOW.
#defundmarkup
Dealership markups should be illegal imo.
I can't believe there are people out there who would pay this money for a civic. One thing being a honda fan boy , and totally different to be stupid. For 50k , I would buy a 2.0t accord 6 speed manual and mod to the moon. And still have money left 😂
I see you're an FFVII fan.
big time
Great video and dealership are just greedy asf and smoking some camel shit if you think I or anyone in their right mind is going to pay almost 80k for a civic
$75K for a Honda sedan with little over 300HP? Lol.
Don't trade. Please wait. Not wert it.
Dealers are reeling from overpaying for used cars over the pandemic they still want to charge ADM yet offer low trade ins hahahahaha. I hope I see the downfall of the dealer network in my lifetime.
Why would you get hosed on a civic,, yes, a civic. For that price you could have a bmw m car that will kick the balls off of that rice rocket! It’s a no brained. Get a German engineered car for less $
You should have countered by marking up your car by $22k
M 240i. 54 k. 10 k tune= 500 rwhp car
75 thousand they have lost there minds
WTF is that total 74k ? WTHELL ?
Interior looks great, exterior meh
Ohfak that. Might as well get a tesla model 3 performance
70 grand for a honda lmfao 🤣🤣
only car worth that much is a honda nsx
70k..omg no way!
Ahh...the videos of FK8 owners trying to justify why their cars are better just keep coming. Why?! Just enjoy ur ride, and stop hating on other people's shit. Even more hilarious is guy trying to act like he's smarter by buying a 2017 FK8 5 years later, for what it cost new. You just payed a mark-up buddy...
The FL5 IS objectively better in every way except maybe looks (which tech is subjective), even though looks were dictated by aerodynamic performance. The stock suspension is stiffer, but not like some reviewers make it seem, they just used the wrong setting in the wrong environment. It still maintains one of the largest (if not the largest) adjustment ranges. Reviewers either don't know, or are too lazy, too biased, or too dumb to be able to put the suspension into a softer mode while keeping everything else in R-Mode (and deactivating VSA and Traction Control through the pedal dance). That's not the fault of the car or the designers (though I think Honda should have offered the option on press days...😒 as usual marketing department screws up).
LOL you writing 2 whole ass paragraphs. Why are you so mad? I do enjoy my ride, and where am I "hating on anyone else's shit"? I've said in other videos I like the FL5 too. Even in this video I mentioned liking things about it like the wing, the hood, the shifter, etc. I never said the FK8 is better. All I was saying in this video is the price difference with mark up can't be justified from a performance vs performance standpoint between the two cars. Lastly, I bought my car cash from a private owner at less than MSRP, so idk what you're talking about?
@@PhyFK8 I'll rewatch the video, but I thought u mentioned you paid 34K, and that you said that for the markups the dealer is asking you could buy two of your FK8's. Which would put it right around original MSRP. If you paid less, and I missed that, then fine, i was wrong about that one thing.
However the last 3-4 minutes of the video, I'm not wrong about. I specifically addressed you're assumptions regarding the suspension. Plus comparing a modified FK8 vs a stock FL5 and saying they're the same is why I called it hate, that and the uninformed opinions regarding the suspension setup.
The stock FL5 is objectively a better performance vehicle than the stock FK8. Can you modify an FK8 and get it to match the FL5, sure, you can even modify it and have it outperform the stock FL5. But then you could say the same for the FL5...that modified it will perform better.
Like the engineers of the FL5 said, because it shares a bunch of components like the powertrain with the FK8, they were able to dedicate a lot more time than they normally would have during new vehicle development on tuning and perfecting the vehicle. A lot of the money you're paying for isnt a new engine, its how its tuned and how it works as a complete vehicle...and when you drive the FL5 you realize the extra money is well spent, as it's overall feel and driving dynamics are so much improved as a complete package. That and the improved interior and overall build quality. I owned a 2020 Si Coupe for 3 years before I got into the FL5, so I speak from experience, the interior and build quality by comparison is significant and add to the extra that you pay for it. I loved my old car and it was great, it wasnt bad or anything ... this is just in a different league.
@@BigBear-- I didn't mention an exact price at any point, I just said I got my FK8 at less than half of what the marked up price of the FL5 is, which is true. I compared my modified FK8 time to the stock and modified FL5 Dai drove: I compared my :59 at Buttonwillow to their stock time of :59 and modified time of :57 (with more mods and a pro driver behind the wheel). I don't hate the FL5 by any means, I really like it. Just not at the marked up price. I agree that the FL5 looks and feels much more premium, and I do think it is worth it MSRP to MSRP, but IMO not with a 30k mark up to OTD at 74k before tax. I'm glad you're enjoying your car. Value is subjective, so as long as you enjoy it, that's all that should matter
@@PhyFK8 I'm fine with and agree with all that, now that you clarified.
Someone has to be very desperate to pay that much over! You can buy a Mercedes cla45 AMG with more power.
hahahaha 74000 🤣😂
I rather get an S2000 they becoming rare
You’re so cool going in and wasting peoples time
thanks! Glad I wasted your time too. The time you used to watch the video. Time you won't get back :)
@@PhyFK8 gotemmm 😂
Nawh fk these dealers.. glad he wasted their time.. 70k is a joke.
Don’t buy any car with ADM.
$30k haha...more than an RS3
I laughed and went to bmw instead:p