Hard disagree on ruining platonic friendships. 7 years is a long time and the five relationship is one of the most believable relationships of this second. Agree with everything else though. 5 and Lila forever and I will die on that hill. Join custody and the kids can even visit!
No tf he killed her parents and she never liked five like that in the first place so no that plot line would never make sense no matter how hard u try to justify pedophilia like the writers it still won't make sense 🤷🏽♂️@@Matisaro
Even Tom Hopper mentioned in an interview that he questioned why Luther retained his gorilla torso, when the marigold didn't cause it. When even the actors are openly questioning the writing decisions, you know it's a stinker.
With the way Lila and Diego both grow to appreciate the "normal" life they built together throughout the season, it should have been THEM stuck together in the subway, working through their issues and growing together, and trying to figure out how to get back to their family TOGETHER.
It's not like they didn't have something in place to make that work. She clearly had her mimic skills back, IN ADDITION to weird laser eyes. She picks up Five's ability to jump and accidentally jumps to the station with Diego.
Every time Allison told Claire, "You won't remember me but you'll be alive" I screamed at the screen "NO SHE WON'T SHE CAN'T EXIST IF YOU NEVER EXISTED." The kids still existing even though their parents never did made me so mad.
I thought it was them getting on the train that saved them from being erased from existence. But than why wouldn't they remember them if the train can keep you from the affects of time travel.
@@alim.9801 No? Wasn't that Allison's whole purpose in season 3. Claire's dead/never existed hence why she teamed up with Reginald. I could be remembering wrong.
One thing which really annoys me was how they made Five give Lila a bracelet during the years they were stranded in the timeline subway, and then when they get back and Diego sees it, he immediately says "you hate bracelets". So the writers completely forgot that Diego made Lila a bracelet during their time in the mental hospital, and she kept it on for that entire season?? Did they hire a new bunch of writers or did these guys just completely forget their own show and characters??
@@MukbangMondays that is a very kind credit to the writers. I really feel they forgot/didn't bother checking back previous episodes/continuity. but I do enjoy your explanation to this inconsistency.
I think the best summary of how awful this season was is when Klaus saves Luther in the final episode and just goes "I can fly now!" with no build up to it, no explanation, and we never see it again.
@@Phaniepacky So true, each season had Klaus discover a new ability, from possession, to immortality, to leviation, only for them to scarcely be mentioned again in the following season.
Klaus was floating prior in the alleyway. So there was some build up to that. Just like Diego showed his full momentum altering ability at the beginning of Season 2, when Five saw them all in the future.
@@elecrom_9757the writing started going downhill during season 3. they really lost the plot. shows need to go back to being 20+ episodes a season. much easier to expand on the world and actually focus on character development
@@Mrchilipepper no….it was messy and lacked a ton of character development. many great shows/films were made during covid. they lost the plot with this one with season 3 and it continued to go downhill.
It’s honestly pretty cruel that they made abuse survivors relate so much to the Umbrellas only to end it with ‘actually yeah no you’re the source of all your problems and you’re better off dead’. Like it’s meant to be about heavily abused adult children learning to work through their trauma and come together, with their love for each other being the strongest force in the show. Then at the end it’s just. nah they aren’t worth it, die
i agree. i was expecting everyone to survive but lose their powers as implied, even though Reginald - the abuser who could not care less - thinks this way. the message SHOULD have been „you deserve a place for yourself in this world, there is people who love and support you even if the abusers didn’t, you deserve happiness even if it‘s hard to get there.“ for them to finally lose their powers, the thing that got them into all of this, but also a huge part of their identities, would have been so much more satisfying than what we got. the show used to care so much about mental health and how traumatised people hurt each other, i can‘t believe that they didn‘t take the obvious route, especially after how pretty much every single character has at this point each had an arc focused on finding their individual happiness and purpose.
I didn't get it as "they are not worth it", ai got it more like the marigold was never supposed to exist and durazno was like universe's response to balance things. The only way to stop creating apocalypse after apocalypse everywhere they go, was to sacrifice themselves (that wouldn't exist without the marigold) so everything would be in order again. They decided to be selfless and were true heroes by deciding to sacrifice themselves without anyone knowing which is sad but is what a true hero would do.
@@ivonnegallegos58 the show isn’t really about superheroes though, it’s about children who were forced to be superheroes trying to grow up and overcome their trauma. None of them asked to be heroes, Diego and maybe Luther are the only ones who’ve been invested in being a hero, and it’s clearly shown as a character flaw that they need to overcome Reginald treats them as living weapons whose only value comes from their powers, and it’s fundamentally ruined their view of themselves. The apocalypses are his fault, not the Umbrellas’: them sacrificing themselves to make up for his selfishness and abuse isn’t a good message. The Five café is literally the writers’ way of showing that the Umbrellas are always going to end the world so it’s just better for them to all die. And that’s despite the fact that they didn’t even choose to get their powers back, dickhead Ben forced it on them for. some reason. Their agency was taken away from them once again as they were forced to taken on the responsibilities that tore their family apart The marigold feels, to me, like a metaphor for abuse and all the excuses abusers use to justify what they’ve done - it’s to make them stronger, more powerful, more persuasive. Them ending the show by deciding to give up their powers and deciding to live as a family unburdened by the expectations their father forced on them would feel way more cathartic than the conclusion that they are just more trouble than their worth and that the world is better off without them. They aren’t superheroes who happen to be family, they’re a family that had powers forced upon them and they have to deal with the consequences of that
@@ivonnegallegos58 it’s not an in-universe criticism, more a meta comment on the writing choice. sure, they provide a justification for why they choose to die, but still narratively, it’s a very strange way to go. it so obviously conflicts with the positive messages from the previous seasons that i wonder who thought this was good. if they just die, and don’t really make a meaningful choice, then why does everything that happened since s1 matter?
I had a lot of problems with this season, but I think it is a tremendously bad take, maybe even a dishonest take, to say this season is about "abuse survivors being told the world is better without them". They spent three seasons, and most of this one, trying to fix someone else (Reg) breaking the world, and his attempts to break the world for his gain is why they were abused in the first place. This isn't "abuse survivors being told the world is better off without them", it is "abuse survivors realizing it isn't their burden to make their abuser's world work for him by figuring out how to circumvent the consequences of his actions". Of all the things this season did poorly, allowing a sacrifice to be an actual sacrifice wasn't one of them. It was nice to actually commit to the sacrifice, rather than going with the typical "No, they are actually all fine anyway!" trope.
Honestly I'm so tired of characters portrayed as emotionally abused or neglected by their parents NOT getting happy endings. All we want for them is to find happiness and family and somewhere to belong.
I highly encourage the show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend if you want actually happy healthy endings for abused and traumatized characters. Bad timing though as it's literally leaving Netflix tomorrow lol
Love how their only idea for Five’s love interest was Diego’s wife, whose parents Five literally killed, who has known him since he was (or at least looked) like 17 😭 nice one writers!
13 🥲if I got the math right, since he came back in the body of a 13 y/o and they met in s2 which was only a week or so after he comes back to the "present". nightmare
You think Jennifer would have had some kind of traumatizing fear over Ben having tentacles considering she had this overwhelming fear from the squid she came out of..... Seems like a area that they were going to explore and then just dropped it
I honestly thought her powers were going to transform Ben into the giant squid and he'd eat her and they'd sink to the bottom of the ocean. And then maybe with some timey wimey they'd get fished out and go through it again.
Interesting that the lesson of the series is “the world would be better if you off’ed yourself” that’s not the direction I expected for it to go that’s for sure.
My Gerard Way would never do this. Especially after years and years of songs and stories about keeping yourself alive. Poor guy saw his baby die a horrible death.@@AmandaTheJedi
This is what bothers me most about it. For a series that was so focused on the effects of familial emotional abuse or just abuse in general really, having the ending be "welp, would've been better if we'd never existed" seems wildly wrong. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done well, but you'd need to write that ending PERFECTLY for it not to seem like some weird victim blaming bullshit. And they didn't do that.
It's so wonderful to end your series that's been about "Trauma can hurt people around you but you gotta learn how to live with it and move on" with "Your very existance is hurting everyone, you're better off not being born at all".
On top of everything I hate about the Lila and five debacle, it was so out of character for THE BOTH OF THEM. A lot of people want to give five shit but Lila was also completely out of character. Lila loves Diego to the point that she chose her mother over him, came back from an independent life for him, genuinely fell in love with him and had MULTIPLE KIDS WITH HIM!! The fact that she would ever cheat on him is despicable. And don’t even get me started on Five. You’re telling me the man who spent 40+ years in an apocalyptic wasteland and dedicated every second of every day trying to get back to the present to save his family even though he could have definitely gave them up for the commission, would get with his brothers wife, hide a way to get back to his family despite doing everything to save them and be with them multiple times when found in another insane situation, AND have the audacity to be mad at Diego and even say things like “I want to kill him” yeah ok
It's the fact the actors when they first worked together would have been like 13 and 30 - so to me it took me straight out of the show. Pdf is a strong term for it, but there is definitely some weird groomer vibes. When you need to pause your show to google actors ages you've fucked up as a show. Made me horribly uncomfortable, hated it.
@@ChrisG_90Watching the interviews you can tell the actors were also not feeling it. When there's talk about it Lila's actress does a lot of the talking, and even says she didn't think they were serious about it when she first read it. While Fives actor just sits there making faces and you can tell the guy is not interested even talking about that story line. They put that poor kid and woman through the wringer with that one.
Exactly, it made absolutely no sense from a character perspective, took a ton of time away from the show that could've been used to expand on other things a bit better and then had no room for any emotional payoff at the end because they all just die, nothing was resolved. If for some reason they desperately wanted to have a slightly similar subplot they could've just done the same kind of montage but continuing the antagonistic sibling vibes interspersed with genuine moments of connection talking about their lives and worries. Then had a moment where they took a break from searching, got drunk and lonely, went to kiss each other, realise how wrong that felt, had an awkward laugh about it and swear never to tell the family when they find them. Honestly that would probably have given more room for genuine character development, discussion of their family relationships and a bit of comic relief in there too.
I RETAIN that Five's decision would have worked much better if he had found the Five Diner BEFORE getting involved with Lila. It would give actual meaning to his "we could stay here" argument, because he would have seen the more nihilistic versions of him AND would know that everything he was doing was meaningless because even with a universe reset, they still end the world. But I also found that whole marigold mixed with the other particle thing pretty freaking stupid, so yeah.
five lived 40 years in complete solitude.. I think anyone's resilience would have left the building after not even a decade. I think he thought he might never get out of there and seeing as they're not aging I don't blame him for thinking of himself. howevaaaa.. when they go out of the train station, time flows normally, so if they settled in a timeline for a year, they should have aged a year and a year should have passed in their own timelines... idk.. aaaa
On top of the many writing flaws, the thing that gets me the most is that the message of this season is basically "Actually, your trauma IS the reason everything is wrong and the only way to fix it is to never have existed in the first place" - when the entire show was initially about healing your past trauma.
the Five we met in season 1 would NEVER give up on his family. no matter WHAT. that's what they should have focused on, how he's different from all the other Five's he met, and THAT should have been the lynchpin to save the timeline. that every other iteration ultimately ended in apocalypse, but our Five loves his family too much to ever consider giving up and letting them all get erased to be the solution. it seemed like such an obvious answer and I'm baffled that it wasn't what they went with
Ever since S4 premiered I thought the ending should've been the siblings realizing them being together is what kickstarts the apocalypse every time and so they renounce their powers and use the train station to travel to different timelines. And ur comment aligns exactly w my ending. Imagine Five deciding not to give up on his family and try to save them just to realize there's no other way of saving the world than separating forever and having a hard time accepting it bc he spent like 60 years trying to go back to them and just 6 years and a few months by their side, but realizing this is for the best and is better to know they're all alive somewhere far away from him than watching them die all over again and that no matter where they all end up, they will always be a family.
Outside of the weirdness of Five and Lila storyline, I have to imagine it was super weird for the actors too. I understand professionalism and that this is a job for them. However, as an adult, romantically kissing a kid that you've known and watched grow up on set had to have been weird.
I remember the actor who played Gendry in GOT saying something similar about his discomfort with his sex scene with Arya, who he had first started working with when she was 11.
@@PassTheMarmalade1957I remember that. I felt so bad for both of them but people were cheering for that scene, which maybe I’m a prude or insane or both but it was so unnecessary
It did NONE of the things I wanted it to do. Why was Allison immediately forgiven for all of the fucked up things she did last season, why did Fives destroy the family dynamic, Why didn’t Luther actually find Sloan?! Why does this season exist?!
To be fair, it's been 6 years so it wasn't an instant forgiveness, but they needed to do more work for US to forgive her. And I still maintain that Sloane wasn't programmed into this timeline and wouldn't exist independently because the marigold wasn't released.
@@AmandaTheJedi Yes! Time skip or no the audience can’t forgive Allison without on screen effort on her side. She was my favorite character before season 3 but post she was definitely the worst. The inverse happened with Luther. I didn’t really like him that much but Season 3 made me love him. Sloane not showing up at all made it feel like his story arc last season had no meaning. I don’t need off screen explanations I NEED to see it DAMN IT.
@@AmandaTheJedi I read that they had intended for Sloane to return in altered timeline, but she was supposed to have forgotten Luther, and they would've had a storyline of Luther having to make Sloane fall in love with him again. However, due to the shortened season length, they ultimately cut that part of the season out.
@@suryabhat2507jail! Jail! I loved Sloan! No like I was genuinely upset they destroyed my favourite couple and then made Five and Lila happen After that I just skipped through
I agree on the sloan situation, they could have had Luther when in the CIA office look through the files and find her, then go search for her, but instead we got one line about her.
for me one of the biggest sins of this show is the fact that, even if they didn't get a happy ending, it felt right ending the show with the message of "you people are awful and have hurt us, but after everything we've been through, we're a family and I love you guys" and I didn't get that at the end, the fact that five and diego died hating each other was just... bad. For being it to be the last season it really didn't felt like the family got any closer, heck, they barely had any scenes of all of them together
Agreed, the ending itself makes sense and feels appropriate. It´s sad, because I love those characters, and they didn´t choose to get born like that and yet they still have to accept being erased. It´s unfair, but that´s life. I just wish this last season did a waaaay better job reaching that ending. Like... what was that? For starters, basically nothing they do has any impact, most of them aren´t even trying to solve the Ben situation. And they are all so separated and the characters that interact with each other more closely feel out of character. *cough* Five *cough* There is no way he would do that. I understand that Lila kinda became his new Dolores, but he still wouldn´t do that to Diego.
i just restarted the show and the introduction to these characters and their dynamic in the beginning is so bleak and there’s so much potential i don’t understand why they didn’t give them a happy ending they fucking deserved it. five spent decades trying to save his family he never cared about the apocalypse it’s always been about protecting his siblings and in the end he’s the one who tell them they have to die i hate it so much i can’t even begin to talk about it.
@@burningrumm my thouths exactly, I can buy them dying at the end but it really feels like these characters deserved a happy ending, they were abused as kids and went through so much, yet they still sacrificed so much to save the world that they deserved a break
Yes, that was my biggest frustration. I can accept 'heroic sacrifice' but it has to be ‘heroic’. It should be built up to, be emotional, be exciting, have you cheering them on even though you feel sad at what’s going to happen. But all I felt while they were vaguely standing in a circle being slowly engulfed by blob was the desire for it this slow dull scene and the show to be over already. I felt that the Umbrellas were so distant and even hateful of each other in that moment, they weren’t dying for each other or choosing dying together as a family, they were dying because plot said so. I genuinely felt that the apocalypse deaths in season two was so much better. You got to see them all using thier powers in a cool way while working together and then them standing together as the nukes go off. I felt more unity in that one scene that I did in the entirety of season 4.
Was genuinely disappointed that it didn't turn out that Gene and Jean weren't gender bent versions of the same person, from alternate realities, that found each other and decided to love themselves.
@@devilinred3319 or the twins from Bioshock Infinite. Who, if I'm not mistaken, actually are gender-bent versions, of the same person, from different dimensions.🤔
Thank you so much for bringing up Alison’s assault of Luther I feel like I’m going insane that no one else brings it up. It’s this horrible moment that received none of the attention it deserved. And the fact that Alison keeps complaining about being the villain of this family is utterly ridiculous.
Yes, the lack of resolution on Allison's arc (or anyone's arcs) is maddening. Season 1- she uses her powers to get what she wants and she ends up losing. Season 2- she tries to get what she wants without her powers and ends up losing. Season 3- she become a villain to get what she wants (Luthor, revenge on Victor, deal for Claire & Ray) and seems to succeed but at a cost, seriously damaging her relationship with Luthor and Victor and betraying the family. Season 4- ..whatever.
I was screaming at the screen when Luther tried having sex with Alison and she was somehow upset about it. You literally asked for it! You magically ordered him to want you when he wanted to leave and now you are upset over it! You are not the victim he is and if the genders were swapped no one would say otherwise!
It's sad that this show started off strongly, yet ended with a whimper. It's like the writers forgot to make the characters likable or relatable. The biggest issue was with Five and Lila's subplot, as it just felt unnecessary, and all I kept thinking was that Five would NEVER betray Diego by kissing his wife. Even worse, Five died thinking that his brother hated him.
hot take, I think that if it was well written that could have worked, five's purpose has always been to save the world, but now that he doesn't have that it could be interesting seeing him coping with it and maybe wanting more of life which could end on him making that mistake, but the way it was written here really didn't workd
@@evab521he killed her family and they bickered every second like siblings in prior seasons. Also Lila has kids with Diego and five never gave up on getting back to his family for 40 years, let alone within 7. Other than the fact the comics hint at five being on the aroace spectrum; family is such a deeply important part of this show so yeah people are pissed off when these two clearly betray Diego by getting together, and they don't even feel remorseful.
I think they could've gone with it to the point of one kiss, then both realizing "this is weird, we're better off as platonic soulmates" and Lila going "I just miss my family. The kids. Diego" so they could turn it into a plot of everyone has problems but they love each other and Five being a good friend and not giving up on his family. Sorry for the rant, but that's just my take 🥴
@@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977 i agree. i think they should have extended how long they were in the station (irl time, not in-universe time), to really make the audience feel how long they were in there. and it would have been nice if showed lila and five’s conflicting feelings/ feeling guilty more. honestly, their storyline was probs my fav in the season (along with gene and jean) cause it was a breath of fresh air away from the chaotic mess that was happening.
Season 4 doesn't exist according to its own canon. So I declare that Season 4 erased itself before getting to the other 3 so those still exist. Don't grandfather my paradox, I'm coping.
Another thing that felt off is that during 3 seasons Five was a sarcastic explosive grandpa in a teenage body, whereas in the 4th season his character changed completely to being a sad young adult with only 2 sarcastic jokes in the whole season saved for the last episode. The rest of the time he supports his siblings (Diego, Klaus, even Ben) and consoles Lila. Why did they change his character so much? Where do they hide the real Five and who is this guy - a family therapist?
I don't know you make Five supporting his family as a bad thing where it was his character motivation in the early season 😂to get back to his family lmao
@@valhatan3907that’s the thing tho, I want that back. He doesn’t do that anymore this season. It pissed me off. He put in all this work to get back and save his family but he threw away his relationship with his brother for a woman he both hates and sees as a sister? Garbage writing and also disgusting. He’s too young AND too old for her.
For me personally the twist of the knife was that the ending song was “I Think We’re Alone Now”. Like, for years I had fantasized that it would be the closing song to the whole show, but the same one from the first episode with another dance party, except all the siblings are together and happy to show how far they’ve come. Instead, that (very unfitting) original version of the song plays over a lame ass park in a lame ass world where they never even existed? And it hurts. “I think we’re alone now” is not in reference to them defeating Reginald and being free to live their lives without him in the shadows. It’s in reference to us, the viewer, having lost these beloved characters we will never see again in the worst way possible. Dude. Why.
I genuinely thought they were setting him up for softening a bit with Luther's help. It would have been funny and very sweet to see Ben build up a new bond, especially with someone who did know his family and cared for them. It would have been heartbreaking then to see Ben ditch everything for Jennifer & a great red flag in retrospect! Ben was grieving and dealing with his own trauma which, along with his shitty uprising, explained why he was like that. But it looks like the show didn't realize it or care to show it
@@ondiiina that would have been SO much better. If only they'd gotten even 2 more episodes. We could have also gotten more about what happened to Sloan.
yeah, no, I hated the concept of an abused family of child soldiers having to sacrifice themselves to fix the mess their father started. I'm just going to stick with the headcanon that the season ended with Season 3, and they had to figure out lives in a new, powerless world.
The first episode of season 4 should have been the last episode of season 3, but wrap with them all finally living normal happy lives. Maybe even close it out Breakfast Club style haha.
HELP THE LITTLE HAND CLENCH HE DID WHEN HE WAS THINKING ABT IT and like honestly i think all the actors r unhappy or confused with it, tbh it wouldve been better if they ended at s3 with unresolved plot lines rather then a badly written explaination
The Umbrella Academy went from Season 1: "Hey imagine turning kids into Superheroes would totally traumatize them even as adults retired from the Hero Business." To "Everything that happens in the Multiverse is your fault so just give up and die." Truly one of the developements of all time. Honestly my enjoyement for the show went down during season 2, rapidly dived during season 3 and never really picked up again during season 4. And I still remember while driving home from work after finishing the season that I was really glad the show is over now.
Among the many issues, I was so mad when after a season of baseless fatshaming, they give Diego a shirtless fight scene showing that he is, in fact, in perfect shape. Like, it wouldn’t be okay even if he had gained weight, but calling a guy “pudgy” then showing us his six-pack is just making it cruel *and* ridiculous
After the Season 3 cliffhanger seemed to be setting up major roles for Raymond and Sloane, you'd think that the final season would deliver, right? Wrong. While Ray was unhappy in the new timeline, it felt anticlimactic for it to be mentioned in passing that he walked out on Allison and Claire. The Ray we knew and loved would NEVER have done that. Also, Luther only mentions Sloane briefly. Please, even hint that he tracked her down, or he DID manage to find her, but she didn't recognise him.
I really want to know what went on behind the scenes of this production. I understand that they probably scratched any of the plotlines they set up in season 3 when they determined that 4 would be the final season. But even so, at least write a tight narrative. Especially when you only have to fill 6 episodes instead of the usual 10. But it really felt like they had no idea what to do. You could arguably skip episodes 3-5 and be fine.
@@Beny763 I'm sure there actually were plenty of people involved trying to create cohesive narrative and maybe stuff like the strikes got in the way but it honestly kind of feels like they just decided it was going to end with them all dying and just filled the time with random shit until that happened
I didn’t have a problem with the end until I saw a post that said “my queer, neurodivergent ass when The Umbrella Academy ends with, "you were born wrong, every bad thing that has happened to you is your fault, and the only way the world can be good and safe is if you are eradicated from existence" And like… yeah. What the fuck.
I thought it was really wrong that they put the whole "world always ending" problem on the kids. It's really Hargreeves' fault since he released the marigold and he's always manipulated them in some way in every timeline. They're just tragic victims of his obsession with his wife and it's not really their fault.
@@jasons5916 i had never watched any umbrella academy before finding myself seeing this thing, and even knowing nothing abt the characters, and having a general reaction of, "well, that happened," i felt weird abt how much they let hargreaves off. if its just desserts that the shows looking for, hes the person who should be punished here, not the kids!
oh thank GOD someone finally mentions luther's ape body. it was NEVER part of his marigold powers, there was an entire cold open about how it happened! i could be generous and say maybe they just had the sfx laying around and wanted to use it before the show was over but truly the inclusion of it just feels like another cruel dig at luther as a character and a denial of any sort of character progression for him. he's never been my FAVORITE of the umbrellas, but even i felt uncomfortable at how much they've kicked him when he's down for the sake of "comedic relief"
Yeah there was no reason for him being half-ape again other than to make him feel bad about his body and give him body dysmorphia that would only be used for bad humour, just like Klaus going back to drugs and being sexually assaulted for money. It wasn't necessary, added nothing, and was just used to hurt the character for "humour".
Also, they gave Laila lazer eyes on top of her copy ability, and it didn't even matter? The lazer eyes literally never affects the plot in any way whatsoever. This has to be one of the most poorly thought out seasons in television history.
When I found out we would get a fourth season I was happy thinking "it'll be cool to see Luther without his ape body, I bet the actor is glad he doesn't have to wear that suit all the time too", just for him to get his ape body back for literally no reason.
I think the reason the “p” word was thrown around is because the actor of Lila made it pretty clear in an interview that the writers were waiting for Aidan to turn 18 to begin that weird love plot. Hence why plot line occurred in the second to last episode. Ew
for viktor, its not even just season four. they have seriously dumbed down his power ever since season one. in season one we saw him manipulate sound waves, convert sound into pure energy, matter manipulation, sound amplification, the ability to drain someones life force and add it to his own power, weather manipulation & aerokinesis, and sound absorption & distribution yet in seasons 2 and 3 we only see him release basic sound blasts 💀
i know, his powers have always seemed so lame compared to how cool they were in season one :( especially this season, his powers felt like they were on the same level as like allisons T-T
I loved this show so much. It sucks that the show basically ended with "you traumatized adults deserve to die bc you're always the problem". It felt like a completely different theme from the 1st season when even though Viktor caused the apocalypse, Five and everyone didn't leave him behind. But The Umbrella Academy didn't end as a superhero team, a family, or even normal people, they all just died. Also Five & Lila hooking up was a wild plot. IDK why they had to make Five betray Diego like that. If they wanted Five to fall in love, they could have just given him an unrelated gf or visually aged him up. I was so thrown off the last few episodes bc of it.
@@ptonpc a real Dolores from another timeline would’ve been amazing, she was basically his wife for 30 years or something in the first apocalypse. Idk why they wouldn’t decide to bring her back. I’m surprise five didn’t even MENTION her anymore…
Better ending: It's explained that Lila's parents still know her because all the marigold kids were always supposed to exist. The marigold just ripped them out of their correct time and forced their birth, some early and some later than they were meant to be born. And them being outside their correct time is why their mere presence causes apocalypses. So after their noble sacrifice, the marigold is erased from existence, and the marigold kids are reborn to their parents at the time they were meant to be born, without powers and utterly normal. Given the Christmas theme, the show ends on a New Years countdown where the Umbrella Academy arrives at various times separately, with their partners and any kids. They all look happy, maybe a couple bump into each other or walk past, but have zero recognition. They just continue on. The countdown happens, and Lila, being her chaotic self, grabs Diego out of the blue and kisses him for the New Year's kiss. They smile at each other after the kiss, implying they eventually get together. The show ends on the kids dancing to a song that starts playing with their partners, Diego dancing with Lila, so they have their dance sequence, together, but separate. A bittersweet ending, no longer siblings, but had normal happy lives.
Yeah, I think the best ending would have just been them all ending up having been born normally and lived normal happy lives, maybe Klaus remembers and unites everyone.
That sort of ending would've been beautiful. They all accept having to forget one another but still love one another at the end and finally get to live happy, ordinary lives at the cost of being a family. That sort of ending would've been bittersweet but not in a super pessimistic, cruel way like the canon one.
This imagined ending reminds me of 12 Monkeys and how they stick the landing on their finale in a satisfying way for practically everyone. It has the same vibe, love that
It truly felt like none of the characters were the people we knew. Allison spent all that time and effort trying to make it back to her daughter, yet when we meet her again she's been neglecting her relationship with Claire to persue her acting career. Victor felt like a totally different character whose emotional range solely extended to rage. Klaus has been reset almost every season to exactly where he started at season 1. The character delevopment we see from him gets erased for the sake of laughs. I don't think anyone was laughing when he was prostituting himself for heroin this season. I cannot even see Luther as number 1 anymore because of how incompetent he's become. The same goes for Diego. Five is possibly the biggest disappointment and deviation from the Five we've come to know over the seasons. His relationship with Lila made me genuinely uncomfortable. He made choices that did not allign with who we know him to be!! They all did!! This is one of the most frustrating and disappointing endings since Game of Thrones.
funny that you mention game of thrones, as both shows started out as adaptations of certain source material, and just slowly declined after they ran out
I haven't watched it, but Allison doing that makes sense. It's 6 years later. It shows once people are removed far enough from a serious event, they eventually go back to being who they always were. In season 1 she was doing that. Putting her career first, so over a period of time, she'd relax and go back to being that person. I think that's what some aren't understanding. Maybe because you've never dealt with that happening, but it's pretty common. Very few people really change longterm.
@@debanydoombringer1385 but normal ppl in the normal world dont go through mulitiple variations of themselves to really hone in on the lesson. you or i may not change that much but we dont have super powers and multiple apocalypses to clean up.
If Reginald had the ability to erase everyone’s memory of the Jennifer incident then why did he need Allison to rumor Vanya/Viktor so that they felt ordinary?
@@Earlierfour It's okay, some people just don't have sufficient cognitive abilities to remember a name. It's not a shame that you're not very smart, not everyone can be
@@jinde75 I suppose that could be a valid reason. Although I do think erasing her memory of having powers in the first place can do the trick but I can see your point
If I had a nickel for every time a majorly successful show based on an unfinished novel series botched the ending so bad the fans collectively decide it didn’t happen, I’d have two nickles
@@friendly_space_martian I still hope Soul Eater gets re-animated at some point. The anime ending was... ehhhhh and Blue Exorcist came back with new seasons following the manga as did Black Butler.
If they wanted Five to have a love story then introduce a human Dolores!!! THEY LITERALLY HIRED AN ACTRESS TO PLAY HER TO TWO SECONDS IN SEASON THREE!!! Instead they destroyed three characters entire development to get Lila to fall for him which ended up being weirdddddd and Blackman KNEW it was so… my theory is that he DID have a good idea for season three but Netflix only gave him 6 episodes and refused to hire on a single more “unnecessary” actors. It’s like trying to throw this big party after it being an annual thing with a quarter of the budget and time and sure… you are happy that you were able to put anything together but its always going to be shit. Netflix MURDERED this show and I really wish we could riot in the streets about it…
he wanted that too... Sloane should be back too... he wanted Luther to find her, but she wouldn't remember him and fall in love with him again, but he couldn't do it for logistical reasons! (There wasn't enough time with 6 episodes and less money available) Did you find out what Reginald had planned at the end? What were his plans? Oblivion... his favorite project... well, we'll never know what happens next, it would have been really cool... Netflix has destroyed the series and that's putting it mildly! It's over for me soon too, I'm still waiting for Stranger Things and then I'll cancel because because I'm fed up with it... I haven't had Netflix for a year because I couldn't stand the mediocre to bad series/movies that it could support
I also found out this may suffer from the same issue as game of thrones in that seasons 1-2 were more strongly based on volumes 1-2 of the comics, season 3 went more it's own way but still with inspiration from volume 3 and there is no volume 4 yet so this season was almost fully made up for the show. To be clear, I haven't actually read the comics myself, this is just what I've heard from other people so I can't say how accurate it is. Maybe someone else who has read the comics can chip in to confirm.
When could he find love he never takes breaks from fixing his siblings messes. He would only ever be around people trying to save the world so people with power and let's be fair there is only one on the team who at least tried. They did last 6 years of trying before saying they would die at that rate and quit the search, heck if he didn't find the book they would have been there till they died
My problem with the Lila/Five subplot was 100% how it was handled. Five should not have hated Diego, why tf would he? That's so immature and Five is too old for that nonsense. Old enough to know he's the one in the wrong, and feel GUILT, not entitlement. The scene where they return to the house should have shown Five seeing Lila with her family and kids and seeing his brother and feeling like a pos home wrecker, not acting like Diego somehow screwed HIM over. That was the part that made that whole subplot feel massively out of character and wrong to me. Everything before that coule have worked if they'd just stuck the landing, but at that point it started feeling like character assassination
I agree completely. I didn't hate the five-lila plotline, I still find it rather believable that being just the two of them for 6 years ended up with them finding comfort in each other and giving in to it. I don't agree with the reasoning they gave and the aftermath. Subway system is outside of their time, so I feel like they got used to missing their family, but with time desperation to get back this second might have worn out. If they have been there six years, couple more days or weeks or even months might not feel like a big difference - especially if they would be convinced that they will come back at exactly the moment they left. Beef Five had with Diego was nonsense, I think that Lila dropping Five no problem should have been a bigger theme - how heartbroken five should be over hurting his brother but also - how angry and hurt he would be by Lila pretending everything is cool and acting as if those six years didn't happen. There was plenty space there for emotional pay-off and for characters to try to do the right thing in the end.
Agree 100%. That, and the whole storyline shouldn't have been shoved into a single episode (with a tiny bit of spillover into the finale). You need TIME for a relationship like that to develop. Sure, Lila and Five were together for 7 years, but we as the audience barely saw any of it!! And the Five from previous seasons WOULD have felt guilty, absolutely. And he wouldn't have blinked away from that fight either (OR fought his brother during a friggin boss fight, Five was always a "focus on the main issue" kinda dude so wtf was that?? Like I can see Diego getting distracted like that, but not Five...and even Diego fighting his brother during the boss fight is pushing it imo)
You forget that Five spent more than half of his life completely alone, with no human interaction, hence lack of emotion, empathy and so on. He feels angry and entitled at Diego because he finally has a SO and understands what love is. For the first time in his life, he was happy... He cherished those 7 years with Lila (either way that relationship come from (lack of other human interaction, stuck in time with her etc.). The fact he feels that way towards Diego is kind of understandable if you look from his POV.
@@chris.cloudroomAgreed, add to that mix the fact that Five has always looked down on his siblings (and especially his brothers) - the end result is pretty believable.
@@alim.9801Dude. Did you forget Five was the guy who actively threatened to kill his family several times when they refused to abandoned their loved ones in S2? He immediately falls back on violent threats anytime someone doesn’t do what he wants. He never cared about his family’s feelings, only their survival. In fact, the cheating thing actually seems more in tune with previous five than S4 five, who seems more genuine and soft. It took five years for something to happen between him Lila. Im sure he felt that guilt for so long. it seems like five had feelings for Lila ever since the beginning of the season. I’ll agree his hatred towards Diego is so unjustified? Especially with how considerably well Diego handled the whole thing. Fivla is such a cruel joke, and five had it coming. Getting told word for word that his feelings meant nothing Lila was a perfect taste of his own medicine. “It’s just survival, nothing more.”
Another aspect of how bad the Five/Lila thing: It was just incredible awkward to have Diego thinking they were cheating on him when they weren't. And then during the time that he realizes how wrong he was about everything, the two end up actually cheating on him.
What really grinds my gears with the whole Allison problem is that, not to downplay rape, but forcing your ex-lover to kiss you is way-way less bad than murdering an arguably innocent man just to get back at your sibling for not telling you something relatively inconsequential. And most people laser focus on the former, but mostly overlook the latter.
This season made me understand why the Sherlock fans went feral with theories of secret finale endings after Series 4 because holy shit, it hurts to see a show I've mostly enjoyed go down like this.
Ahaha that’s actually funny that you mention it. As a former huge Sherlock fan I feel like the ending was weird but it was still a nice ending. They got a Happy End and mostly no plot holes. Umbrella academy on the other end completely shit on everything, ruined story lines and characters and the ending felt unsatisfactory :,)
What makes the Allison Luther problem worse is him being a stripper....seems hus take away is that his body is the only thing valuable about himself, which is likely another childhood trauma as his powers were never a skill or ability, but about his body. And its a well known take away by survivors of that kind of assault that results in them turning to spicy work.
What I have a problem with is the characters constantly making fun of Luther for being a stripper. There's nothing wrong with that line of work and we as a society should start recongnizing the amount of athleticism, emotional intelligence, time manegement skills, and creatively it takes to work in spicy work.
what a great point! my opinion has always been who cares if someone does sex work as long as they consent, but i never thought about how it should be extra respected as a career for the skill it takes!
@@mavymagdowney9798 thanks for being open minded! It’s something I feel strongly about as people usually don’t know it’s not like the movies or how much skill it actually takes to be successful.
One thing that I do like is how Luther went from being the most against Viktor in Season 1, to being one of his strongest supporters in Season 4. I didn’t like him much in earlier seasons but I really warmed up to the family driven himbo in this season.
Honestly some of the worst aspects of the season were what the showrunner wanted so, even with more time I think I would have had most of the same complaints
I know!! The power was like manipulating sound into some sort of energy and I loved it. It was so unique and powerful but they kept making Victor less and less powerful as the seasons went on.
@@rachaelthorpe4491his power was very unique and thats why it was as dangerous as it was. by focusing on one sound and tuning every other sound out the sound that hes focusing on resonates in his body cause him to turn sound into a form of energy. by doing this he was able to push out sound waves that were capable of instantly killing people, pinning them down, or blasting them away depending on how much force he can apply in his current emotional state. second by listening to any sound again but now using his heart he can pull sound energy in his body and release it as a huge blast which is how he got out of his cage. by using sound amplification he was able to create sonic booms which blew up the umbrella academy and caused it to come crumbling down, by manipulating the weather he can use wind in a form of telekinesis which is how he killed pogo and he can control water and make it rain, he can amplify the powers of people with marigold and also extract marigold and durango, he can share his powers with someone establishing a psychic link, he can convert sound into pure destructive energy, he can drain peoples life force, and he can fly yet the only things we saw him do in season four was extract durango, shoot energy beams out of his hands ( which neither him or harlan did before ), sound wave distribution, and he just released basic orange energy blasts like they seriously dumbed down his power. even in seasons 2 and 3 he really only just used energy blasts and they made his power make him look like a human glow stick which didnt look good and wasnt as threatening as his glowing ice blue eyes and and pale skin in season one.
Oh trust me there are many things I noticed and didn't mention here either because I logic'd my way out or it drove me crazy but THAT one... that one was a mistake for sure
That bugged me so much because not only didn't it make any sense but they clearly only kept it in for the hilarious "comic relief" of "👉haha man super hairy"
I’m really glad you touched on how irrational it was for Jennifer to go with asshole Ben instead of the people she’s known all her life. As we later see from her reaction in the barn, she was literally traumatized by her experience being inside of the giant squid, so why would she willingly go with the asshole she just met that bears a resemblance to the thing that traumatized her??? Especially when her family is actively telling her to get away from him and that he’s dangerous????? So many things happen in this season just because they need to for the plot to progress, without any actual reason or thought behind WHY these things should or would happen.
THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT LUTHER!!!! I found it so bizarre that they just swiftly bypassed what happened to Luther last season with Allison in favour of making him a joke and turning him into a being of levity for the sake of brushing that under the rug. Male SA is something that is commonly scoffed at and joked about so it's nice to hear you mention that that was messed up. And they portrayed it as such in the actual scene, but having them just promptly forget about it afterwards was so strange.
I have been waiting for this video. I need Amanda to tear it apart so I can feel like those hours of my life spent watching season 4 weren't completely wasted.
They did Luther and Diego SO dirty this season. Luther deserved so much better. And don't get me started on the Five and Lila thing. There is NO UNIVERSE in which Five would give up on his family like that, not even for love, and especially not for his BROTHER'S WIFE AFTER THE WRITERS SPECIFICALLY JOKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING SO ABSURD. Jesus. They all deserved so much better, and Alison deserved a lot worse.
After season 2 they dumbed down Diego a bit gradually and REALLY dumbed down Luther. Luther was NOT that much of a himbo in the first couple seasons, and Diego always had blind spots/wasn't the smartest of the group but I got so tired in this season of him (and Luther) being the butt of the joke for missing something obvious
I was debating watching the series before watching this and I'm glad I watched yours first since, "The world is better without me in it" stories hurt my heart way too much.
I saw a comment on a vid stating how f'd it is that the end to a traumatised family (people who live with trauma) was that they should off themselves so that everyone else could live, and that the world would be better off without them, and my world shook at reading that comment! The message for the ending of this series is truly f'd. What should have happened (which someone else made a comment on) was that Five figured out that he was the one who f'd up the timeline (and not the fam) and he had to go back in time to stop himself from going to the future. Tell the fam to get rid off/seal away Reginald (like what he did with Viktor) eventually leading them to heal from their collective trauma and live semi normal lives. But alas, the UA ended at S3 so we'll never knw.
Right?? I felt like that's sort of where it was going in season 1. It ended with them all in their child forms looking at each other. And according to the writers, that wasn't what was actually happening, it was just "symbolism". So what can we take the symbolism of everyone holding hands and being a child to mean? That when they were together, as a team, back when they were children, things were okay and hopeful and had a chance to improve (as long as Reggie was out of the picture!!) So with that logic, I kept thinking, oh, they need to fix their childhood, oh, the apocalypse keeps happening because the damage has been done and they need to fix their childhood, oh, the universe is falling apart because they were exploded by Harlon or whatever his name was and they didn't fix their childhood, they must have to fix their childhood. Surely the logical thing is that they need to be a family and fix their problems together BEFORE Five ran away and Ben died and Viktor was abandoned?? And I hear you say "well isn't that kind of rude to irl traumatised people, to say that the only way you could live a happy life would be if you went back in time and stopped the traumatic incident?" NO because the family will still be traumatised. Five doesn't have to go back to a clean slate. They literally showed us IN THE FIRST EPISODE that Five can send an older consciousness back into its younger body... Because he's in his child form. Why can't he do that with all of them? Drop the decimal and send their consciousnesses into their child bodies. They're traumatised but they can have a fresh start and stick together this time so no one dies. They can give themselves a normal childhood with a lovely robomother and a chimp dad. Wouldn't that be coming full circle and kind of clever - if a bit obvious - writing??
Just a few things I noticed that you didnt get to hit on: -Reggie erasing the kids' minds seems like something he would do, but he couldn't erase Ben's mind so how would Ben not know how he died or not ask what happened to the little girl named Jennifer he was trying to save? -How did Jennifer end up in the squid? Why a squid? How is Ben related to the squid? Why did she know about the Cleanse? How did the Durango get inside her? Does she have Durango powers, or is she just normal with a chance to blow up the world? -What about the other Marigold kids that are out there in the world? Surely there were others who could have been alive in the other timelines with powers, and they just never came back to that idea, only the ones Reggie ever got -When Five and Lyla go to their first alternate universe, they run past a future apocalypse Five, meaning that's a timeline that had Five in it and he got stranded. But when they go back in time, the other kids don't recognize Five, which they should because they had a Five. That one's just a mistake. -If Gene and Jean have evidence of alternate timelines and especially the alternate versions of the Umbrella kids, why wouldn't they... go visit them? Like, they have evidence of Alison Hargreeves being an Umbrella Kid, and they know what she'd look like as an adult from her acting gigs, AND she's an actress in this world who has an agent and a phone number. They should be able to find her relatively easily. That's all I got for now, but wow what a letdown
"-What about the other Marigold kids that are out there in the world?" Yeah, I was also wondering about that. Also, in Season 3, Harlan killed the Umbrella kid's mothers so they were never born in that timeline. Why didn't that fix the timeline if all it needed was for them to not to be born/have marigold particles in one timeline? Was it because Harlan had some of Victor's marigold particles so they weren't entirely erased? Which brings us back to the issue of the other marigold kids still existing...
Abt the squid, my best guess is that it was to either represent Ben or be Ben from another timeline that used his powers to turn into a full squid, maybe to protect Jennifer from drowning... But that's if we ignore the fact that the director turned mindless and probably didn't even have a real reason for it.
I saw someone theorise about the other marigold kids that since the marigold was never released there never were any kids born with super powers. Since the umbrella + Lila + Ben drink some they’re the only ones to ever come into contact with it
@@haeherfeder1713 Ah! For some reason I forgot the Umbrella's didn't have powers after the reset was because they didn't have marigold particles (and therefore we assume no other kids did either). So is the takeaway that it's all a-hole Ben's fault because he inflicted them with the M particles again and then got together with Jennifer and it was better than he died originally? And that Reginald bringing his wife back out of love, not killing Jennifer and delaying shooting Ben because of 'goodness' was a bad thing that ended the world. On top of the' it's better for the world if traumatized people erased themselves', talk about confused messaging!
This honestly makes me so sad. I didn't have the greatest childhood and related so hard to them. Having it end with "You were never supposed to exist, you were a mistake, no you can never be happy and live a peaceful life. The world is better without you in it, the people you love don't need you" is honestly so insane and I'm really really glad I'm at a point of my life where this doesn't effect me much bc I know if I'd seen this when I was 17-19 it would've just been more incentive for me to not exist anymore. Honestly upset that such a goofy, supportive show turned out this way with such a damaging final message.
I mean, like… I can’t explain how much I hate that they basically erases Reggie every season so the kids keeps having to deal with their trauma while being completely unable to deal with it.
Love that Nick Offerman and his wife Megan Mullally could play the villian couple though. It feels like parallel universe Ron Swanson and Tammy Swanson.
it feels like the writers simply gave up, with everyone. no one had an arc. they were just *there*. like, remember when five learned in season 3 that he was going to create the commission and it felt like this big reveal that was going to have a huge impact on him? they didn't mention it until one of the fives in the diner has a throwaway line about one of the variants doing it. just absolute senioritis in tv form.
Also something that really bugged me--didn't Harland call it Marigold? Like that wasn't the name of it...just his nickname for it. But then this season they act like that's what they've always called it and everyone knows obv? Did I miss something??
THANK YOU! This has been bothering me this whole time! Why do they all call it that??? I've never read them but I assume that's what it's called in the comics and the writers of the show just decided to shoehorn it in. It would've made sense if Victor started calling it that after Harlan said it and it caught on or if they showed Harlan getting some kind of vision of its creation or something to show that he didn't come up with it himself but they made it seem like he came up with the name "Marigold" and Reginald and Abigail already knew it somehow?
Your section on Lila and Five gave me a HUGE case of Deju Vu. I swear I had a dream where I had already watched that exact segment of this video like a year or so ago! Brains be weird or Umbrella Effect real?!
Regarding Sloan, especially after Allison's SA lite of Luther, I'm of the mind that she just wrote Luther's wife out of the new timeline because she's just that petty. Seeing Luther find his happy relationship while she was So Miserable? Allison would absolutely be so inclined.
I agree with everything apart from the ending: almost every apocalypse was completely avoidable and exclusively caused by the trauma that they had suffered (i.e. Viktor destroying the world in s1, or Grace (herself an abuse victim) becoming obsessed with the time rip in the basement in s3) so for me the natural conclusion was always supposed to be that they learn to start fully healing from their trauma and literally severing the cycle of abuse. The cycle of apocalypses felt narratively like the cycle of abuse.
The ending killed me, it could’ve been so much better. They could’ve blipped everyone to the subway and have Victor take all of his sibling’s marigold, he would have a tearful goodbye knowing that he would finally be the hero he wanted to be. In the midst of Victor taking the sibs marigold, Five disappears seemingly not wanting to lose his powers. The family reluctantly enter the train as the door closes, Five comes back, and flashes Diego an apologetic look, Diego looks back realizing he is sacrificing himself for him and Lila. Victor looks on in confusion, Five remarks, ‘All I’ve ever known is apocalypse, each moment in between them I lose people I love.’ He wistfully looks at Lila as the train speeds away, looks down and mutters, ‘Enough’. He then clutches Victor and blips them to Victor’s empty bar. Unsteady Victor pours 2 glasses of whiskey, he slides one over to Five and sits next to him. The bar slowly is enveloped in flames, Victor looks over to Five and remarks, ‘ So apparently the only way to get you to come to Canada is an apocalypse, eh.’ The two dissolve into laughter as they are engulfed in the cleanse. The timeline collapses to reveal glimpses of the remaining academy members lives, Lila and her family clapping at Diego’s law enforcement graduation, Allison directing her daughter in a school play, Luther dropping a textbook about astronomy, only for it to be picked up by Sloan, and Klaus walking into a dispensary,only to go behind the counter. We hear a bell and a customer enters, Klaus looks up as the customer asks him what he recommends, Klaus states, ‘ The Bennifer blend is pretty pungent but will make you see the dead or White Violin it starts out timid but has a powerful crescendo.’ As he finishes speaking the camera slowly pans over to a marigold covered picture frame with remaining members of his family smiling dressed in Umbrella Academy costumes at a birthday party. Though that ending is really because of the poor season 4 choices.
Oh my god you’re absolutely right. It would be messed up to make Victor be the one to sacrifice themselves after all they’ve been through, but if marigold is truly the problem, he totally could have pulled it all from the siblings and taken on the Cleanse himself.
My biggest problem with this season was the Five/Lila romance. I just really, really liked their friendship! A man and a woman can be friends! Not everything needs to turn into a romance or sex. It was so disappointing..
They were stuck for 7 years alone on a different timeline... and never thought they will be back to the original current timeline sooner or later. That's why they decided to take a break and settle at the strawberry greenhouse. They were tired of trying to find a way home.. basically they gave up and I totally understand why they grew feeling for one another. You are alone with a human of opposite sex... I mean it's human nature after all. The survival instinct kicks in.
@@chris.cloudroomThat's in Watsonian, but in doylist reason it was a character assassination from the writer. The writer could made it about Diego and Lila getting stuck because it was what their arc supposed to be. But, no let's make a dude backstabed his bro and cheat with his wife.
@chris.cloudroom I understand that, but they're not real people. The writers didn't have to write it. They shouldn't have written in an new affair/love triangle in the finale season with only 6 episodes (especially between a brother and his sister in law who has kids). I honestly think it would have made more sense for Lila to cheat with random person or Diego from a different timeline rather than 5 that way we could focus more on their relationship rather some sort of love triangle.
It's even worse because Five said he was married to Dolores for 30 years in the first apocalypse, but there was a scene of him dragging her in the wagon when he was visibly a teenager. He waited like 10 years to marry Dolores. He wouldn't struggle with 6 and a half years with another person, especially someone who he quite literally said "I like my women a little less likely to kill me in my sleep" about. Like, that is a direct quote from season 3 that he said about Lila. He would not do that.
Considering Victor had a small part in ending the world multiple times, I was expecting that Vic would use the Marigold Absorbing Power to drain all the other Umbrella’s powers and then sacrifice himself to the Ben-Blob as redemption. Everyone finds a way to survive, reasonably happy, with just Normal lives. Lila and Diego find a way to fix the problems, Five can finally retire and rest easy knowing he doesnt have to fight to save the world, again. Instead, they make the Grandfather Paradox again and then bamf out.
Noo, I just watched the deleted scenes and I'm baffled why would they delete these???? Why??? These were Klaus' best scenes that showed that the character we love so much is still there! I literally teared up watching them.
I might have given s4 a passing grade, until Lila and Five hooked up. Felt like nothing short of character assassination. Five spent decades surviving and killing just to get back to his family. His betrayal of Diego felt extremely out of character. Same with Lila even though she mentioned a break. They were in this rut but we knew her and Diego still cared about each other. For her to do something that would be so hurtful to Diego felt unnecessarily cruel. Not to mention, it was a commission job, but in another life, Five murdered her entire family. I just don't think thats something you get over to the point of sleeping with them.
Regarding the Five Lila situation, I think one aspect to remember is that the actor was a teenager when they started working together on the show, so that context is likely factoring into how a lot of people are reading it
I am so tired of shows and movies deciding the only way to resolve the plot is to have the characters commit suicide under the guise of a "sacrifice for the greater good".
this season just reminds me of the times when i’ve turned in crappy essays because i waited until the last minute and just went with whatever i could think of. it’s worse because we know that tua can be a great show, sad how it all went downhill after season 2.
you know that meme when someone is drawing an amazing realistic horse head but then gives it a very cartoonish body? that's the vibe I got from season 4
Klaus makes no sense! He mastered his powers, he wasn't affraid of them anymore. So why is he now affraid of his powers, but totally cool being burried alive. It was so disappointing. Klaus is my favorite.
Stay with only seeing season 1. Season 2 has some amazing moments but overall just isn't as good and season 3 was a deal breaker for me. I didn't even know season 4 was out until this vid notification.
I really enjoyed season 1 years back, but never watched the rest. When I saw season 4 had come out, I was gonna finish the rest of the series.....I cant be bothered now lol
What killed me about the side stories was the writers knew how the show was going to end yet decided to open new threads at the last second. Like nothing worse than a HUGE revelation happing roughly 45 min before it doesn't matter at all
The one reveal I was waiting for was Gene and Jean turning out to both be fragments from other realities and actually the same person - which is why they were so in sync - and to explain why they knew about everything and were leading the movement. Was disappointed when that never came and they turned out to be regular people tbh
@@dekopuma right?? They were playing snap or something, they always knew what the other was thinking, they wore the same outfits, they knew everything about each other. Having them be romantically involved would have been weird but honestly I think the UA has done weirder things
To me, season 3 made it more obvious than ever that losing Five and Ben so young was not just another part of all their trauma but like, the main cause of their overall dysfunction because they felt that they didn’t have anything tying them together anymore, especially with losing Ben. I feel like it was set up perfectly for Sparrow Ben to have some great character growth - they could’ve shown him becoming closer with some of the family and fitting into that dynamic, expanding on the whole “you have some of him inside of you” idea that Klaus introduced in season 3. It would have made him causing the cleanse so much more powerful and emotional?? But instead they just kept him an asshole
My good friend told me that the biggest miss in the show was the fact the cult of Fives only had like....2 minutes of screen time. They should have had way more time. I DESPISED the affair sideplot. Absolutely pointless. The only recurring bit I enjoyed was the Baby Shark bit. It made me laugh every time. And I am the QUEEN of finding redeemable qualities in all shows/movies... and Baby Shark was the only one I liked.
I'm glad you found something to enjoy! :) I'm a bit bummed they set up the rolling joke but didn't land the joke in the end. I genuinely thought as the van ended up in the mob that the pay off would be a fun action fight scene with Baby Shark playing in the background. But alas, it seemed they didn't have the budget or ability to create a fun action scene like they did in season 1. But yes, agreeing with your friend that the chaos of the Cult of Fives could have been a lot of fun, it's a shame it only existed for a brief exposition dump.
The only things I don't like about the Baby Shark bit is that it goes on for a bit too long when the season is already short enough as it is and it's the only song I can remember from this season at all.
What I hate is that everyone went back to what they were on s01... The growth they had during the show, went away or got worse, so the end we got felt unsatisfactory for this reason.
Klaus's character development really pissed me off. Like oh, he gets his powers back and IMMEDIATELY is just like, welp, I'm off the wagon...? I think that's one of the areas where the show felt super rushed. There could have been like half to a full episode of Klaus trying to stay clean with his powers back and finding he just can't do it before relapsing. His response to that felt like it had little to nothing backing it. This was made worse because most of his story following his relapse felt like filler in a season that didn't have time for filler stories. They could have spent the same time they spent with him being a sex medium instead dealing with him fighting his addictions. (Seriously, did that side plot of Klaus's have ANYTHING to do with the main plot of the season? Please remind me if I'm forgetting something.)
23:30 The really frustrating part of this for me was that like. The reason that he couldn't have his powers and be sober before wasn't that his powers just made him into an addict; like the issue was that his powers are horrifying and that he struggles to deal with them without chemical assistance. S4 completely forgets that. His dad locked him in a mausoleum--like a spacious aboveground crypt--and he came out so traumatized he could barely function for decades. He gets literally *buried alive* and the only spirit that shows up is Thunderbolt. Also like Klaus' accusations aimed at Alison are, like... They're unfair, and he's clearly saying them to hurt her in the moment because he's deeply angry about having his effective DNR disrespected (gets even funnier given where the show ends up), but they're not exactly inaccurate. She does care about him, but she's also absolutely using him to feel morally superior, and her reaction to Klaus relapsing pretty clearly demonstrates that (and then Clair starts spouting some real Twitter "it's okay to cut people out of your life" discourse; I get that Clair doesn't know that her mother was ostracized for a reason or that she's a kidnapping victim but it's wild that the writers seem to have believed that would come off well). The fact that the show seems to want us to believe that Alison is in the right is insane.
I agree with every single sentence!!! The kids thing really had me confused. Lila had kids! And she just didn't care.... Until she did! 😂 Thank you for validating my confusion!
It wasn't particularly well written but I think the idea was that Lila had simply given up on the idea of ever seeing them again after so much disappointment. I suppose the problem with this season being so short was that we had to do a lot of the writers' work for them.
My Big issue with the Jennifer Incident is that it makes no sense in-universe. So Reg is this brilliant alien that unleashed Marigold and knows of the Durango and it's effect. So why tf does he sent his kids (and all their marigold) to Jennifer in the first place, especially if it takes him minutes to just pop up in that shipping yard and kill the two of them himself. He could just go there and do the job himself?! It makes no sense
28:21 The whole time you were talking about this I was thinking that this is just disrespectful to the memory of Delores. And Diego. And also the vibes are wrong for a romance between them.
Of all the things I expected from this, incredibly bad quality Five/Lila adultery fanfiction was not on the list anywhere. In fact, it would have been at the top of the "haha ew no won't ever happen" list. I-I don't understand... WHO... WHO THOUGHT...
One thing that keeps baffling me that I haven’t heard anyone touch on yet….Soooo when Allison made her deal with Reginald, did she get a Ray that was familiar with modern technology, modern world, etc??? Or did he just go on his merry way, totally ignorant but still inexplicably done with the lady who brought him to this time???? Not to mention…was he actually the father of Allison’s daughter now??? Cuz you’d think he’d be around right? At least you can argue that daddy Patrick cared enough to wanna take custody even….but daddy Ray doesn’t feel the same I guess? Or was he just a former stepdad in this timeline?
I think the worst part is all the unanswered questions. Where was Sloane, and why did season 3 end with what appeared to be a "different Ben" only for them to skip over it(for the most part). Disappointed in how it all clued up to say the least. Edit: It also had the weakest Klaus side quest in any season...
I had my theory of why Sloane wouldn't be there validated in interviews but then Steve Blackman said he still would have liked to include her but didn't have time. But her not being programmed into the reset is the most logical response.
@@HighGuyy420 Agreed on both counts. Maybe Genesis Rodriguez couldn't commit to filming, but Sloane meant so much to Luther, you'd think that it'd be mentioned that he'd tried tracking her down. And it was hard to care about Ben and Jennifer's plot, when we barely even knew her.
I legitimately sobbed when 5 and Lilia got together, I know how stupid it was but I was so upset that the show i loved on its last season would be so bad.
I would sacrifice my timeline for the siblings.
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@@AmandaTheJedi Agreed, I felt sorry for the actors, who were clearly trying to make it work.
Hard disagree on ruining platonic friendships. 7 years is a long time and the five relationship is one of the most believable relationships of this second. Agree with everything else though.
5 and Lila forever and I will die on that hill. Join custody and the kids can even visit!
No tf he killed her parents and she never liked five like that in the first place so no that plot line would never make sense no matter how hard u try to justify pedophilia like the writers it still won't make sense 🤷🏽♂️@@Matisaro
@@Matisaro "I will die on that hill"
Then you will die alone in there. The 5illa relationship was the worst part of this for me.
Even Tom Hopper mentioned in an interview that he questioned why Luther retained his gorilla torso, when the marigold didn't cause it. When even the actors are openly questioning the writing decisions, you know it's a stinker.
yeah, it's giving GoT s8
Having flashbacks to Mark Hamill talking crap about the Star Wars sequels in press junkets.
I saw David (Diego) popping similar issues off on reddit without gonig into specifics but it was pretty clear he wasn't super jazzed
@@gartibatthink I'll watch this instead then
Can't blame him.
With the way Lila and Diego both grow to appreciate the "normal" life they built together throughout the season, it should have been THEM stuck together in the subway, working through their issues and growing together, and trying to figure out how to get back to their family TOGETHER.
Yes, that’s an idea I never would have thought of but it’s such a better option!
It's not like they didn't have something in place to make that work. She clearly had her mimic skills back, IN ADDITION to weird laser eyes. She picks up Five's ability to jump and accidentally jumps to the station with Diego.
@@TheDumdeithey didn't appreciate their normal lives; that's the whole point. They were both miserable. Those two should have never gotten married
@@lailaalanna315their relationship is for sure a twin flame toxic one
See that would have made more sense lorewise.
such a shame Umbrella Academy got cancelled after 3 seasons
(edit; i’m not huge on season 3, but the ending is more satisfying than 2)
Yep, we'll never know if it could have had a lacklustre final season with multiple plot holes, so we'll have to resort to writing fanfiction.
@@trinaq Hope the fanfics answer all the questions the show set up in a satisfying way !!
Ikr. Truly a shame.
make that 2 seasons and we are in agreement.
@@m4nt1c0r3s 2 seasons but a few scenes of the unreleased 3rd season leaked
Every time Allison told Claire, "You won't remember me but you'll be alive" I screamed at the screen "NO SHE WON'T SHE CAN'T EXIST IF YOU NEVER EXISTED." The kids still existing even though their parents never did made me so mad.
i didn’t think i’d ever be saying this but yeah those kids should have disappeared
Right??? I'm surprised this isn't brought up more often
I thought it was them getting on the train that saved them from being erased from existence. But than why wouldn't they remember them if the train can keep you from the affects of time travel.
I mean Claire was alive in the Sparrow alternate timeline with different parents tho no?
@@alim.9801 No? Wasn't that Allison's whole purpose in season 3. Claire's dead/never existed hence why she teamed up with Reginald. I could be remembering wrong.
One thing which really annoys me was how they made Five give Lila a bracelet during the years they were stranded in the timeline subway, and then when they get back and Diego sees it, he immediately says "you hate bracelets". So the writers completely forgot that Diego made Lila a bracelet during their time in the mental hospital, and she kept it on for that entire season?? Did they hire a new bunch of writers or did these guys just completely forget their own show and characters??
Oh dear!
I think it was showing how her love for Diego had faded over time.
@@MukbangMondays that is a very kind credit to the writers. I really feel they forgot/didn't bother checking back previous episodes/continuity. but I do enjoy your explanation to this inconsistency.
@@RagingThroughSpace It also transforms it into a nice callback!
I think the best summary of how awful this season was is when Klaus saves Luther in the final episode and just goes "I can fly now!" with no build up to it, no explanation, and we never see it again.
Honestly I mentioned that earlier in the video then forgot to specifically mention it again in context lol. So dumb
@@Phaniepacky So true, each season had Klaus discover a new ability, from possession, to immortality, to leviation, only for them to scarcely be mentioned again in the following season.
Klaus was floating prior in the alleyway. So there was some build up to that. Just like Diego showed his full momentum altering ability at the beginning of Season 2, when Five saw them all in the future.
LOL yesss great catch. ugh.
He flies now!
“Man I wish Netflix would stop cancelling their shows before they properly end and allow them to finish for once!”
*finger on the Monkey’s paw curls*
well tbf they did give them 4 episodes less for this season which is also a shitty thing to do
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@@elecrom_9757the writing started going downhill during season 3. they really lost the plot. shows need to go back to being 20+ episodes a season. much easier to expand on the world and actually focus on character development
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@@Mrchilipepper no….it was messy and lacked a ton of character development. many great shows/films were made during covid. they lost the plot with this one with season 3 and it continued to go downhill.
It’s honestly pretty cruel that they made abuse survivors relate so much to the Umbrellas only to end it with ‘actually yeah no you’re the source of all your problems and you’re better off dead’. Like it’s meant to be about heavily abused adult children learning to work through their trauma and come together, with their love for each other being the strongest force in the show. Then at the end it’s just. nah they aren’t worth it, die
i agree. i was expecting everyone to survive but lose their powers as implied, even though Reginald - the abuser who could not care less - thinks this way.
the message SHOULD have been „you deserve a place for yourself in this world, there is people who love and support you even if the abusers didn’t, you deserve happiness even if it‘s hard to get there.“ for them to finally lose their powers, the thing that got them into all of this, but also a huge part of their identities, would have been so much more satisfying than what we got.
the show used to care so much about mental health and how traumatised people hurt each other, i can‘t believe that they didn‘t take the obvious route, especially after how pretty much every single character has at this point each had an arc focused on finding their individual happiness and purpose.
I didn't get it as "they are not worth it", ai got it more like the marigold was never supposed to exist and durazno was like universe's response to balance things. The only way to stop creating apocalypse after apocalypse everywhere they go, was to sacrifice themselves (that wouldn't exist without the marigold) so everything would be in order again. They decided to be selfless and were true heroes by deciding to sacrifice themselves without anyone knowing which is sad but is what a true hero would do.
@@ivonnegallegos58 the show isn’t really about superheroes though, it’s about children who were forced to be superheroes trying to grow up and overcome their trauma. None of them asked to be heroes, Diego and maybe Luther are the only ones who’ve been invested in being a hero, and it’s clearly shown as a character flaw that they need to overcome
Reginald treats them as living weapons whose only value comes from their powers, and it’s fundamentally ruined their view of themselves. The apocalypses are his fault, not the Umbrellas’: them sacrificing themselves to make up for his selfishness and abuse isn’t a good message. The Five café is literally the writers’ way of showing that the Umbrellas are always going to end the world so it’s just better for them to all die. And that’s despite the fact that they didn’t even choose to get their powers back, dickhead Ben forced it on them for. some reason. Their agency was taken away from them once again as they were forced to taken on the responsibilities that tore their family apart
The marigold feels, to me, like a metaphor for abuse and all the excuses abusers use to justify what they’ve done - it’s to make them stronger, more powerful, more persuasive. Them ending the show by deciding to give up their powers and deciding to live as a family unburdened by the expectations their father forced on them would feel way more cathartic than the conclusion that they are just more trouble than their worth and that the world is better off without them. They aren’t superheroes who happen to be family, they’re a family that had powers forced upon them and they have to deal with the consequences of that
@@ivonnegallegos58 it’s not an in-universe criticism, more a meta comment on the writing choice. sure, they provide a justification for why they choose to die, but still narratively, it’s a very strange way to go. it so obviously conflicts with the positive messages from the previous seasons that i wonder who thought this was good. if they just die, and don’t really make a meaningful choice, then why does everything that happened since s1 matter?
I had a lot of problems with this season, but I think it is a tremendously bad take, maybe even a dishonest take, to say this season is about "abuse survivors being told the world is better without them". They spent three seasons, and most of this one, trying to fix someone else (Reg) breaking the world, and his attempts to break the world for his gain is why they were abused in the first place.
This isn't "abuse survivors being told the world is better off without them", it is "abuse survivors realizing it isn't their burden to make their abuser's world work for him by figuring out how to circumvent the consequences of his actions".
Of all the things this season did poorly, allowing a sacrifice to be an actual sacrifice wasn't one of them. It was nice to actually commit to the sacrifice, rather than going with the typical "No, they are actually all fine anyway!" trope.
Honestly I'm so tired of characters portrayed as emotionally abused or neglected by their parents NOT getting happy endings. All we want for them is to find happiness and family and somewhere to belong.
I highly encourage the show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend if you want actually happy healthy endings for abused and traumatized characters. Bad timing though as it's literally leaving Netflix tomorrow lol
Love how their only idea for Five’s love interest was Diego’s wife, whose parents Five literally killed, who has known him since he was (or at least looked) like 17 😭 nice one writers!
13 🥲if I got the math right, since he came back in the body of a 13 y/o and they met in s2 which was only a week or so after he comes back to the "present". nightmare
He’s both too old and too young for her and either way it’s weird asf.
@@WhatEvenThatAlso The Handler. She was a mother to Lila, but a strange colleague/ flirty boss to Five.
Weird.
You know it's bad when a mannequin seems like a better choice.
@@lorettabes4553 she mostly knew five through an old man’s body, unlike Lila
You think Jennifer would have had some kind of traumatizing fear over Ben having tentacles considering she had this overwhelming fear from the squid she came out of..... Seems like a area that they were going to explore and then just dropped it
Let’s be real, call these writers BUTTERFINGERS with how much shit they were dropping this season. 😡
She let it slide cause she thought he was hot 😂
I honestly thought her powers were going to transform Ben into the giant squid and he'd eat her and they'd sink to the bottom of the ocean. And then maybe with some timey wimey they'd get fished out and go through it again.
Can't believe her entire backstory was "I got eaten by a giant squid and survived" 💀
Interesting that the lesson of the series is “the world would be better if you off’ed yourself” that’s not the direction I expected for it to go that’s for sure.
My Gerard Way would never do this. Especially after years and years of songs and stories about keeping yourself alive. Poor guy saw his baby die a horrible death.@@AmandaTheJedi
To be fair it could also be read that a co-dependent relationship will destroy your drug cliche.
This is what bothers me most about it. For a series that was so focused on the effects of familial emotional abuse or just abuse in general really, having the ending be "welp, would've been better if we'd never existed" seems wildly wrong. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done well, but you'd need to write that ending PERFECTLY for it not to seem like some weird victim blaming bullshit. And they didn't do that.
It's so wonderful to end your series that's been about "Trauma can hurt people around you but you gotta learn how to live with it and move on" with "Your very existance is hurting everyone, you're better off not being born at all".
I always thought even in season one they would have to end up eliminating themselves. The show foreshadows it a lot you just gotta pay attention
On top of everything I hate about the Lila and five debacle, it was so out of character for THE BOTH OF THEM. A lot of people want to give five shit but Lila was also completely out of character. Lila loves Diego to the point that she chose her mother over him, came back from an independent life for him, genuinely fell in love with him and had MULTIPLE KIDS WITH HIM!! The fact that she would ever cheat on him is despicable. And don’t even get me started on Five. You’re telling me the man who spent 40+ years in an apocalyptic wasteland and dedicated every second of every day trying to get back to the present to save his family even though he could have definitely gave them up for the commission, would get with his brothers wife, hide a way to get back to his family despite doing everything to save them and be with them multiple times when found in another insane situation, AND have the audacity to be mad at Diego and even say things like “I want to kill him” yeah ok
It's the fact the actors when they first worked together would have been like 13 and 30 - so to me it took me straight out of the show. Pdf is a strong term for it, but there is definitely some weird groomer vibes. When you need to pause your show to google actors ages you've fucked up as a show. Made me horribly uncomfortable, hated it.
@@ChrisG_90Watching the interviews you can tell the actors were also not feeling it. When there's talk about it Lila's actress does a lot of the talking, and even says she didn't think they were serious about it when she first read it. While Fives actor just sits there making faces and you can tell the guy is not interested even talking about that story line. They put that poor kid and woman through the wringer with that one.
Exactly, it made absolutely no sense from a character perspective, took a ton of time away from the show that could've been used to expand on other things a bit better and then had no room for any emotional payoff at the end because they all just die, nothing was resolved.
If for some reason they desperately wanted to have a slightly similar subplot they could've just done the same kind of montage but continuing the antagonistic sibling vibes interspersed with genuine moments of connection talking about their lives and worries. Then had a moment where they took a break from searching, got drunk and lonely, went to kiss each other, realise how wrong that felt, had an awkward laugh about it and swear never to tell the family when they find them. Honestly that would probably have given more room for genuine character development, discussion of their family relationships and a bit of comic relief in there too.
I RETAIN that Five's decision would have worked much better if he had found the Five Diner BEFORE getting involved with Lila. It would give actual meaning to his "we could stay here" argument, because he would have seen the more nihilistic versions of him AND would know that everything he was doing was meaningless because even with a universe reset, they still end the world.
But I also found that whole marigold mixed with the other particle thing pretty freaking stupid, so yeah.
five lived 40 years in complete solitude.. I think anyone's resilience would have left the building after not even a decade. I think he thought he might never get out of there and seeing as they're not aging I don't blame him for thinking of himself.
howevaaaa.. when they go out of the train station, time flows normally, so if they settled in a timeline for a year, they should have aged a year and a year should have passed in their own timelines... idk.. aaaa
On top of the many writing flaws, the thing that gets me the most is that the message of this season is basically "Actually, your trauma IS the reason everything is wrong and the only way to fix it is to never have existed in the first place" - when the entire show was initially about healing your past trauma.
not even that, its telling us that we have to fix our abuser's mistakes. insane
the Five we met in season 1 would NEVER give up on his family. no matter WHAT. that's what they should have focused on, how he's different from all the other Five's he met, and THAT should have been the lynchpin to save the timeline. that every other iteration ultimately ended in apocalypse, but our Five loves his family too much to ever consider giving up and letting them all get erased to be the solution.
it seemed like such an obvious answer and I'm baffled that it wasn't what they went with
In season 3 he makes a big deal about how much Lila means to Diego
Ikr I was surprised too, it makes no sense
Fr. How tf could they do this to us?
Ever since S4 premiered I thought the ending should've been the siblings realizing them being together is what kickstarts the apocalypse every time and so they renounce their powers and use the train station to travel to different timelines. And ur comment aligns exactly w my ending. Imagine Five deciding not to give up on his family and try to save them just to realize there's no other way of saving the world than separating forever and having a hard time accepting it bc he spent like 60 years trying to go back to them and just 6 years and a few months by their side, but realizing this is for the best and is better to know they're all alive somewhere far away from him than watching them die all over again and that no matter where they all end up, they will always be a family.
@@smaaydamn, that ending would've hit hard.
Outside of the weirdness of Five and Lila storyline, I have to imagine it was super weird for the actors too. I understand professionalism and that this is a job for them. However, as an adult, romantically kissing a kid that you've known and watched grow up on set had to have been weird.
I remember the actor who played Gendry in GOT saying something similar about his discomfort with his sex scene with Arya, who he had first started working with when she was 11.
@@PassTheMarmalade1957God oh my god it must have felt like doing that with your teacher 😭
@@PassTheMarmalade1957I remember that. I felt so bad for both of them but people were cheering for that scene, which maybe I’m a prude or insane or both but it was so unnecessary
I watched a few of their interviews and it seems like they’re trying to hold on to that professionalism for dead life because ew poor Aidan and Ritu
i’ve seen clips from interviews w/ ritu and aidan, everytime the interviewer mentions five and lila they both get soo awkward 😭
It did NONE of the things I wanted it to do. Why was Allison immediately forgiven for all of the fucked up things she did last season, why did Fives destroy the family dynamic, Why didn’t Luther actually find Sloan?! Why does this season exist?!
To be fair, it's been 6 years so it wasn't an instant forgiveness, but they needed to do more work for US to forgive her. And I still maintain that Sloane wasn't programmed into this timeline and wouldn't exist independently because the marigold wasn't released.
@@AmandaTheJedi Yes! Time skip or no the audience can’t forgive Allison without on screen effort on her side. She was my favorite character before season 3 but post she was definitely the worst. The inverse happened with Luther. I didn’t really like him that much but Season 3 made me love him. Sloane not showing up at all made it feel like his story arc last season had no meaning. I don’t need off screen explanations I NEED to see it DAMN IT.
@@AmandaTheJedi I read that they had intended for Sloane to return in altered timeline, but she was supposed to have forgotten Luther, and they would've had a storyline of Luther having to make Sloane fall in love with him again. However, due to the shortened season length, they ultimately cut that part of the season out.
@@suryabhat2507jail! Jail! I loved Sloan! No like I was genuinely upset they destroyed my favourite couple and then made Five and Lila happen
After that I just skipped through
I agree on the sloan situation, they could have had Luther when in the CIA office look through the files and find her, then go search for her, but instead we got one line about her.
for me one of the biggest sins of this show is the fact that, even if they didn't get a happy ending, it felt right ending the show with the message of "you people are awful and have hurt us, but after everything we've been through, we're a family and I love you guys" and I didn't get that at the end, the fact that five and diego died hating each other was just... bad. For being it to be the last season it really didn't felt like the family got any closer, heck, they barely had any scenes of all of them together
Agreed, the ending itself makes sense and feels appropriate. It´s sad, because I love those characters, and they didn´t choose to get born like that and yet they still have to accept being erased. It´s unfair, but that´s life. I just wish this last season did a waaaay better job reaching that ending. Like... what was that? For starters, basically nothing they do has any impact, most of them aren´t even trying to solve the Ben situation. And they are all so separated and the characters that interact with each other more closely feel out of character. *cough* Five *cough* There is no way he would do that. I understand that Lila kinda became his new Dolores, but he still wouldn´t do that to Diego.
Lila getting the last word and it's "fuck you" really just encapsulates the whole tone of the season.
i just restarted the show and the introduction to these characters and their dynamic in the beginning is so bleak and there’s so much potential i don’t understand why they didn’t give them a happy ending they fucking deserved it. five spent decades trying to save his family he never cared about the apocalypse it’s always been about protecting his siblings and in the end he’s the one who tell them they have to die i hate it so much i can’t even begin to talk about it.
@@burningrumm my thouths exactly, I can buy them dying at the end but it really feels like these characters deserved a happy ending, they were abused as kids and went through so much, yet they still sacrificed so much to save the world that they deserved a break
Yes, that was my biggest frustration. I can accept 'heroic sacrifice' but it has to be ‘heroic’. It should be built up to, be emotional, be exciting, have you cheering them on even though you feel sad at what’s going to happen. But all I felt while they were vaguely standing in a circle being slowly engulfed by blob was the desire for it this slow dull scene and the show to be over already. I felt that the Umbrellas were so distant and even hateful of each other in that moment, they weren’t dying for each other or choosing dying together as a family, they were dying because plot said so.
I genuinely felt that the apocalypse deaths in season two was so much better. You got to see them all using thier powers in a cool way while working together and then them standing together as the nukes go off. I felt more unity in that one scene that I did in the entirety of season 4.
Was genuinely disappointed that it didn't turn out that Gene and Jean weren't gender bent versions of the same person, from alternate realities, that found each other and decided to love themselves.
Never even occurred to me, but now that you’ve said it I’m so disappointed too lol
A very Loki coded idea. I need fanfics of this.
@@devilinred3319 or the twins from Bioshock Infinite. Who, if I'm not mistaken, actually are gender-bent versions, of the same person, from different dimensions.🤔
I had this theory too! They basically never explained their deal beyond "we discovered this thing and now we kill about it"
we had that garbage from loki already @@Gabrielpliskin
Thank you so much for bringing up Alison’s assault of Luther I feel like I’m going insane that no one else brings it up. It’s this horrible moment that received none of the attention it deserved. And the fact that Alison keeps complaining about being the villain of this family is utterly ridiculous.
Yes, the lack of resolution on Allison's arc (or anyone's arcs) is maddening.
Season 1- she uses her powers to get what she wants and she ends up losing.
Season 2- she tries to get what she wants without her powers and ends up losing.
Season 3- she become a villain to get what she wants (Luthor, revenge on Victor, deal for Claire & Ray) and seems to succeed but at a cost, seriously damaging her relationship with Luthor and Victor and betraying the family.
Season 4- ..whatever.
I was screaming at the screen when Luther tried having sex with Alison and she was somehow upset about it. You literally asked for it! You magically ordered him to want you when he wanted to leave and now you are upset over it! You are not the victim he is and if the genders were swapped no one would say otherwise!
It's sad that this show started off strongly, yet ended with a whimper. It's like the writers forgot to make the characters likable or relatable. The biggest issue was with Five and Lila's subplot, as it just felt unnecessary, and all I kept thinking was that Five would NEVER betray Diego by kissing his wife. Even worse, Five died thinking that his brother hated him.
hot take, I think that if it was well written that could have worked, five's purpose has always been to save the world, but now that he doesn't have that it could be interesting seeing him coping with it and maybe wanting more of life which could end on him making that mistake, but the way it was written here really didn't workd
They were gone for years, grieved all their loved ones and they always were close/working together
@@evab521he killed her family and they bickered every second like siblings in prior seasons. Also Lila has kids with Diego and five never gave up on getting back to his family for 40 years, let alone within 7. Other than the fact the comics hint at five being on the aroace spectrum; family is such a deeply important part of this show so yeah people are pissed off when these two clearly betray Diego by getting together, and they don't even feel remorseful.
I think they could've gone with it to the point of one kiss, then both realizing "this is weird, we're better off as platonic soulmates" and Lila going "I just miss my family. The kids. Diego" so they could turn it into a plot of everyone has problems but they love each other and Five being a good friend and not giving up on his family.
Sorry for the rant, but that's just my take 🥴
@@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977 i agree. i think they should have extended how long they were in the station (irl time, not in-universe time), to really make the audience feel how long they were in there. and it would have been nice if showed lila and five’s conflicting feelings/ feeling guilty more. honestly, their storyline was probs my fav in the season (along with gene and jean) cause it was a breath of fresh air away from the chaotic mess that was happening.
Season 4 doesn't exist according to its own canon.
So I declare that Season 4 erased itself before getting to the other 3 so those still exist.
Don't grandfather my paradox, I'm coping.
Great comment lol
Don't worry, the kugelblitz would've handled the anomaly that is season 4
"Don't grandfather my paradox" omg 😂😂
head cannon that most of s3 and all of s4 was just a really bad trip from deigo after he got spat on by the sparrow girl
@@imjustasconfusedasyou I’m on board.
Another thing that felt off is that during 3 seasons Five was a sarcastic explosive grandpa in a teenage body, whereas in the 4th season his character changed completely to being a sad young adult with only 2 sarcastic jokes in the whole season saved for the last episode. The rest of the time he supports his siblings (Diego, Klaus, even Ben) and consoles Lila. Why did they change his character so much? Where do they hide the real Five and who is this guy - a family therapist?
I don't know you make Five supporting his family as a bad thing where it was his character motivation in the early season 😂to get back to his family lmao
@@valhatan3907that’s the thing tho, I want that back. He doesn’t do that anymore this season. It pissed me off. He put in all this work to get back and save his family but he threw away his relationship with his brother for a woman he both hates and sees as a sister? Garbage writing and also disgusting. He’s too young AND too old for her.
You're right
For me personally the twist of the knife was that the ending song was “I Think We’re Alone Now”. Like, for years I had fantasized that it would be the closing song to the whole show, but the same one from the first episode with another dance party, except all the siblings are together and happy to show how far they’ve come. Instead, that (very unfitting) original version of the song plays over a lame ass park in a lame ass world where they never even existed? And it hurts. “I think we’re alone now” is not in reference to them defeating Reginald and being free to live their lives without him in the shadows. It’s in reference to us, the viewer, having lost these beloved characters we will never see again in the worst way possible.
Dude. Why.
I’m praying for a spinoff to that can fix all of this 😂
Having Ben act like an asshole the whole time also made it really hard to care about him for me. Plus I missed his dynamic with Klaus.
I genuinely thought they were setting him up for softening a bit with Luther's help. It would have been funny and very sweet to see Ben build up a new bond, especially with someone who did know his family and cared for them. It would have been heartbreaking then to see Ben ditch everything for Jennifer & a great red flag in retrospect!
Ben was grieving and dealing with his own trauma which, along with his shitty uprising, explained why he was like that. But it looks like the show didn't realize it or care to show it
@@ondiiina that would have been SO much better. If only they'd gotten even 2 more episodes. We could have also gotten more about what happened to Sloan.
yeah, no, I hated the concept of an abused family of child soldiers having to sacrifice themselves to fix the mess their father started. I'm just going to stick with the headcanon that the season ended with Season 3, and they had to figure out lives in a new, powerless world.
The first episode of season 4 should have been the last episode of season 3, but wrap with them all finally living normal happy lives. Maybe even close it out Breakfast Club style haha.
It's not great.
I suppose it's unusual to get such a misanthropic downer ending to a show, so there's that.
@@NeorecnamorceNI’m going to a different timeline where the birthday party is the ending actually
TO THE FANFICS!
'I think a lot of people aren't going to be happy, I wasn't' - David Castañeda on the finale
HELP THE LITTLE HAND CLENCH HE DID WHEN HE WAS THINKING ABT IT and like honestly i think all the actors r unhappy or confused with it, tbh it wouldve been better if they ended at s3 with unresolved plot lines rather then a badly written explaination
Viktor was the only one doing the main quest this season
he was the only one with an actual arc really
@@dinosaurlife1995and it still sucked. His emotions weren't authentic, because that wasnt his real dad 😢
Dude that genuinely baffled me. The end of the world is here and only Viktor is working on it?? And everyone else is at a family Christmas party?? 🥴
No wonder Viktor looked like a huge stick was stuck up his @ss 5he whole season. The acting was horrid.
@@alim.9801 well, family comes first... remember? The show was centred around family bond/theme since episode 1.
The Umbrella Academy went from Season 1: "Hey imagine turning kids into Superheroes would totally traumatize them even as adults retired from the Hero Business." To "Everything that happens in the Multiverse is your fault so just give up and die." Truly one of the developements of all time. Honestly my enjoyement for the show went down during season 2, rapidly dived during season 3 and never really picked up again during season 4. And I still remember while driving home from work after finishing the season that I was really glad the show is over now.
Making them superheros didn't traumatized them, Reginalds idea of upbringing did.
Among the many issues, I was so mad when after a season of baseless fatshaming, they give Diego a shirtless fight scene showing that he is, in fact, in perfect shape. Like, it wouldn’t be okay even if he had gained weight, but calling a guy “pudgy” then showing us his six-pack is just making it cruel *and* ridiculous
After the Season 3 cliffhanger seemed to be setting up major roles for Raymond and Sloane, you'd think that the final season would deliver, right? Wrong. While Ray was unhappy in the new timeline, it felt anticlimactic for it to be mentioned in passing that he walked out on Allison and Claire. The Ray we knew and loved would NEVER have done that. Also, Luther only mentions Sloane briefly. Please, even hint that he tracked her down, or he DID manage to find her, but she didn't recognise him.
I really want to know what went on behind the scenes of this production. I understand that they probably scratched any of the plotlines they set up in season 3 when they determined that 4 would be the final season. But even so, at least write a tight narrative. Especially when you only have to fill 6 episodes instead of the usual 10. But it really felt like they had no idea what to do. You could arguably skip episodes 3-5 and be fine.
@@Beny763 I'm sure there actually were plenty of people involved trying to create cohesive narrative and maybe stuff like the strikes got in the way but it honestly kind of feels like they just decided it was going to end with them all dying and just filled the time with random shit until that happened
@@emmao6578random shit. So true 😂
I know right. Ray would've never. I was happy that Allison had her little family back even though it was kind of messed up how she did it.
I didn’t have a problem with the end until I saw a post that said
“my queer, neurodivergent ass when The Umbrella Academy ends with, "you were born wrong, every bad thing that has happened to you is your fault, and the only way the world can be good and safe is if you are eradicated from existence"
And like… yeah. What the fuck.
Yeah that's why I added in my secondary thought lol
I thought it was really wrong that they put the whole "world always ending" problem on the kids. It's really Hargreeves' fault since he released the marigold and he's always manipulated them in some way in every timeline. They're just tragic victims of his obsession with his wife and it's not really their fault.
@@jasons5916 i had never watched any umbrella academy before finding myself seeing this thing, and even knowing nothing abt the characters, and having a general reaction of, "well, that happened," i felt weird abt how much they let hargreaves off. if its just desserts that the shows looking for, hes the person who should be punished here, not the kids!
Hollywood is demonic Isn't it.
I saw that post too 😭💔
oh thank GOD someone finally mentions luther's ape body. it was NEVER part of his marigold powers, there was an entire cold open about how it happened! i could be generous and say maybe they just had the sfx laying around and wanted to use it before the show was over but truly the inclusion of it just feels like another cruel dig at luther as a character and a denial of any sort of character progression for him. he's never been my FAVORITE of the umbrellas, but even i felt uncomfortable at how much they've kicked him when he's down for the sake of "comedic relief"
Yeah there was no reason for him being half-ape again other than to make him feel bad about his body and give him body dysmorphia that would only be used for bad humour, just like Klaus going back to drugs and being sexually assaulted for money. It wasn't necessary, added nothing, and was just used to hurt the character for "humour".
@@lilchaos9212 yes! exactly!! i hated what they did with klaus too for that exact reason!!
Also, they gave Laila lazer eyes on top of her copy ability, and it didn't even matter? The lazer eyes literally never affects the plot in any way whatsoever. This has to be one of the most poorly thought out seasons in television history.
@@robinvik1 So much of what happened this season wasn't relevant and was just a waste of the very limited screen time and budget.
When I found out we would get a fourth season I was happy thinking "it'll be cool to see Luther without his ape body, I bet the actor is glad he doesn't have to wear that suit all the time too", just for him to get his ape body back for literally no reason.
I think the reason the “p” word was thrown around is because the actor of Lila made it pretty clear in an interview that the writers were waiting for Aidan to turn 18 to begin that weird love plot. Hence why plot line occurred in the second to last episode. Ew
Uh- What-
@@lorettabes4553 watch some of the interviews
oh. ew
for viktor, its not even just season four. they have seriously dumbed down his power ever since season one. in season one we saw him manipulate sound waves, convert sound into pure energy, matter manipulation, sound amplification, the ability to drain someones life force and add it to his own power, weather manipulation & aerokinesis, and sound absorption & distribution yet in seasons 2 and 3 we only see him release basic sound blasts 💀
It's vanya she's always been vanya no where in the comics did she change genders 🤦♂️
i know, his powers have always seemed so lame compared to how cool they were in season one :( especially this season, his powers felt like they were on the same level as like allisons T-T
@@Earlierfour last time i checked, this isnt the comics.
@@Earlierfour even the comics creator is fine with it so whats up ur ass
While I don’t mind the “ actor” ‘s gender I still prefer the character Vanya … loved season 1 season 2 went 💩 independently…
I loved this show so much. It sucks that the show basically ended with "you traumatized adults deserve to die bc you're always the problem". It felt like a completely different theme from the 1st season when even though Viktor caused the apocalypse, Five and everyone didn't leave him behind. But The Umbrella Academy didn't end as a superhero team, a family, or even normal people, they all just died. Also Five & Lila hooking up was a wild plot. IDK why they had to make Five betray Diego like that. If they wanted Five to fall in love, they could have just given him an unrelated gf or visually aged him up. I was so thrown off the last few episodes bc of it.
Have a 'real' Dolores he meets and they live happily together.
@@ptonpc a real Dolores from another timeline would’ve been amazing, she was basically his wife for 30 years or something in the first apocalypse. Idk why they wouldn’t decide to bring her back. I’m surprise five didn’t even MENTION her anymore…
Vanya
@@hue.main1 gosh imagine like in one universe Five made a mechanical Dolores Ala Mother/Grace! That would've been so interesting!
i get that its like an actor problem but he will always look 15 to me i’m sorry😭 it was SO jarring
Better ending: It's explained that Lila's parents still know her because all the marigold kids were always supposed to exist. The marigold just ripped them out of their correct time and forced their birth, some early and some later than they were meant to be born. And them being outside their correct time is why their mere presence causes apocalypses.
So after their noble sacrifice, the marigold is erased from existence, and the marigold kids are reborn to their parents at the time they were meant to be born, without powers and utterly normal. Given the Christmas theme, the show ends on a New Years countdown where the Umbrella Academy arrives at various times separately, with their partners and any kids. They all look happy, maybe a couple bump into each other or walk past, but have zero recognition. They just continue on. The countdown happens, and Lila, being her chaotic self, grabs Diego out of the blue and kisses him for the New Year's kiss. They smile at each other after the kiss, implying they eventually get together.
The show ends on the kids dancing to a song that starts playing with their partners, Diego dancing with Lila, so they have their dance sequence, together, but separate. A bittersweet ending, no longer siblings, but had normal happy lives.
I love this idea!
Yes, and
1. It’s an MCR song
2. Ray, Dave, Sloane, Bennifer, Sissy, and Dolores are there
Yeah, I think the best ending would have just been them all ending up having been born normally and lived normal happy lives, maybe Klaus remembers and unites everyone.
That sort of ending would've been beautiful. They all accept having to forget one another but still love one another at the end and finally get to live happy, ordinary lives at the cost of being a family. That sort of ending would've been bittersweet but not in a super pessimistic, cruel way like the canon one.
This imagined ending reminds me of 12 Monkeys and how they stick the landing on their finale in a satisfying way for practically everyone. It has the same vibe, love that
It truly felt like none of the characters were the people we knew. Allison spent all that time and effort trying to make it back to her daughter, yet when we meet her again she's been neglecting her relationship with Claire to persue her acting career.
Victor felt like a totally different character whose emotional range solely extended to rage.
Klaus has been reset almost every season to exactly where he started at season 1. The character delevopment we see from him gets erased for the sake of laughs. I don't think anyone was laughing when he was prostituting himself for heroin this season.
I cannot even see Luther as number 1 anymore because of how incompetent he's become. The same goes for Diego.
Five is possibly the biggest disappointment and deviation from the Five we've come to know over the seasons. His relationship with Lila made me genuinely uncomfortable. He made choices that did not allign with who we know him to be!! They all did!! This is one of the most frustrating and disappointing endings since Game of Thrones.
Couldn’t agree more.
funny that you mention game of thrones, as both shows started out as adaptations of certain source material, and just slowly declined after they ran out
I haven't watched it, but Allison doing that makes sense. It's 6 years later. It shows once people are removed far enough from a serious event, they eventually go back to being who they always were. In season 1 she was doing that. Putting her career first, so over a period of time, she'd relax and go back to being that person. I think that's what some aren't understanding. Maybe because you've never dealt with that happening, but it's pretty common. Very few people really change longterm.
@@debanydoombringer1385 but normal ppl in the normal world dont go through mulitiple variations of themselves to really hone in on the lesson. you or i may not change that much but we dont have super powers and multiple apocalypses to clean up.
If Reginald had the ability to erase everyone’s memory of the Jennifer incident then why did he need Allison to rumor Vanya/Viktor so that they felt ordinary?
He used it to drive an extra wedge between the kids and/or wasn't strong enough to deal with the strongest of them alone
Vanya her name is vanya I'm not changing her name cause some actress wanted to change their gender 🤦♂️
@@Earlierfour It's okay, some people just don't have sufficient cognitive abilities to remember a name. It's not a shame that you're not very smart, not everyone can be
I think because it was more to change a character than erase memories. So ‚to rumour, is a better choice.
@@jinde75 I suppose that could be a valid reason. Although I do think erasing her memory of having powers in the first place can do the trick but I can see your point
If I had a nickel for every time a majorly successful show based on an unfinished novel series botched the ending so bad the fans collectively decide it didn’t happen, I’d have two nickles
Which isn’t a lot but it’s soul-crushing that it happened twice, right?
Wait until you find out about unfinished manga adaptations 😭😭
@@friendly_space_martian I still hope Soul Eater gets re-animated at some point. The anime ending was... ehhhhh and Blue Exorcist came back with new seasons following the manga as did Black Butler.
If they wanted Five to have a love story then introduce a human Dolores!!! THEY LITERALLY HIRED AN ACTRESS TO PLAY HER TO TWO SECONDS IN SEASON THREE!!! Instead they destroyed three characters entire development to get Lila to fall for him which ended up being weirdddddd and Blackman KNEW it was so… my theory is that he DID have a good idea for season three but Netflix only gave him 6 episodes and refused to hire on a single more “unnecessary” actors. It’s like trying to throw this big party after it being an annual thing with a quarter of the budget and time and sure… you are happy that you were able to put anything together but its always going to be shit. Netflix MURDERED this show and I really wish we could riot in the streets about it…
he wanted that too... Sloane should be back too... he wanted Luther to find her, but she wouldn't remember him and fall in love with him again, but he couldn't do it for logistical reasons! (There wasn't enough time with 6 episodes and less money available) Did you find out what Reginald had planned at the end? What were his plans? Oblivion... his favorite project... well, we'll never know what happens next, it would have been really cool... Netflix has destroyed the series and that's putting it mildly! It's over for me soon too, I'm still waiting for Stranger Things and then I'll cancel because because I'm fed up with it... I haven't had Netflix for a year because I couldn't stand the mediocre to bad series/movies that it could support
I also found out this may suffer from the same issue as game of thrones in that seasons 1-2 were more strongly based on volumes 1-2 of the comics, season 3 went more it's own way but still with inspiration from volume 3 and there is no volume 4 yet so this season was almost fully made up for the show. To be clear, I haven't actually read the comics myself, this is just what I've heard from other people so I can't say how accurate it is. Maybe someone else who has read the comics can chip in to confirm.
I haven’t watched the new season but I am so freaking confused atm. They did NOT make Lila for Five. Oh god. Why????
When could he find love he never takes breaks from fixing his siblings messes. He would only ever be around people trying to save the world so people with power and let's be fair there is only one on the team who at least tried. They did last 6 years of trying before saying they would die at that rate and quit the search, heck if he didn't find the book they would have been there till they died
Don’t worry! Netflix is about to give us a show about Prince Harry and polo! 😂
the worst part of the entire season was how underutilized klaus was. he literally spends the whole season in a sex dungeon.
Pissed me off 😭
RIGHT. he was completely useless.
but he can fly now!
He straight up contributed nothing to the season. After how interesting his dynamic with Reginald was in S3, this was such a slap in the face.
@@Sugarman96I miss season 1 and 2 😢
My problem with the Lila/Five subplot was 100% how it was handled. Five should not have hated Diego, why tf would he? That's so immature and Five is too old for that nonsense. Old enough to know he's the one in the wrong, and feel GUILT, not entitlement. The scene where they return to the house should have shown Five seeing Lila with her family and kids and seeing his brother and feeling like a pos home wrecker, not acting like Diego somehow screwed HIM over. That was the part that made that whole subplot feel massively out of character and wrong to me. Everything before that coule have worked if they'd just stuck the landing, but at that point it started feeling like character assassination
I agree completely. I didn't hate the five-lila plotline, I still find it rather believable that being just the two of them for 6 years ended up with them finding comfort in each other and giving in to it. I don't agree with the reasoning they gave and the aftermath. Subway system is outside of their time, so I feel like they got used to missing their family, but with time desperation to get back this second might have worn out. If they have been there six years, couple more days or weeks or even months might not feel like a big difference - especially if they would be convinced that they will come back at exactly the moment they left. Beef Five had with Diego was nonsense, I think that Lila dropping Five no problem should have been a bigger theme - how heartbroken five should be over hurting his brother but also - how angry and hurt he would be by Lila pretending everything is cool and acting as if those six years didn't happen. There was plenty space there for emotional pay-off and for characters to try to do the right thing in the end.
Agree 100%. That, and the whole storyline shouldn't have been shoved into a single episode (with a tiny bit of spillover into the finale). You need TIME for a relationship like that to develop. Sure, Lila and Five were together for 7 years, but we as the audience barely saw any of it!! And the Five from previous seasons WOULD have felt guilty, absolutely. And he wouldn't have blinked away from that fight either (OR fought his brother during a friggin boss fight, Five was always a "focus on the main issue" kinda dude so wtf was that?? Like I can see Diego getting distracted like that, but not Five...and even Diego fighting his brother during the boss fight is pushing it imo)
You forget that Five spent more than half of his life completely alone, with no human interaction, hence lack of emotion, empathy and so on. He feels angry and entitled at Diego because he finally has a SO and understands what love is. For the first time in his life, he was happy... He cherished those 7 years with Lila (either way that relationship come from (lack of other human interaction, stuck in time with her etc.). The fact he feels that way towards Diego is kind of understandable if you look from his POV.
@@chris.cloudroomAgreed, add to that mix the fact that Five has always looked down on his siblings (and especially his brothers) - the end result is pretty believable.
@@alim.9801Dude. Did you forget Five was the guy who actively threatened to kill his family several times when they refused to abandoned their loved ones in S2? He immediately falls back on violent threats anytime someone doesn’t do what he wants. He never cared about his family’s feelings, only their survival. In fact, the cheating thing actually seems more in tune with previous five than S4 five, who seems more genuine and soft. It took five years for something to happen between him Lila. Im sure he felt that guilt for so long. it seems like five had feelings for Lila ever since the beginning of the season. I’ll agree his hatred towards Diego is so unjustified? Especially with how considerably well Diego handled the whole thing.
Fivla is such a cruel joke, and five had it coming. Getting told word for word that his feelings meant nothing Lila was a perfect taste of his own medicine. “It’s just survival, nothing more.”
Another aspect of how bad the Five/Lila thing: It was just incredible awkward to have Diego thinking they were cheating on him when they weren't. And then during the time that he realizes how wrong he was about everything, the two end up actually cheating on him.
What really grinds my gears with the whole Allison problem is that, not to downplay rape, but forcing your ex-lover to kiss you is way-way less bad than murdering an arguably innocent man just to get back at your sibling for not telling you something relatively inconsequential. And most people laser focus on the former, but mostly overlook the latter.
THANK YOU
I remember the rage I felt when Allison killed Harlan.
@@lorettabes4553im so sad harlan died bro😭😭
This season made me understand why the Sherlock fans went feral with theories of secret finale endings after Series 4 because holy shit, it hurts to see a show I've mostly enjoyed go down like this.
💀💀💀
I'm so sorry to be in another fandom going thru it 😔 Sherlock atleast inoculated me against this evil, some
I’ve refused to get too invested in another show after Sherlock. I still get riled up when I talk about it 🙃
Ahaha that’s actually funny that you mention it. As a former huge Sherlock fan I feel like the ending was weird but it was still a nice ending. They got a Happy End and mostly no plot holes.
Umbrella academy on the other end completely shit on everything, ruined story lines and characters and the ending felt unsatisfactory :,)
@@thekidfromyesterday2334is the sherlock show good?
What makes the Allison Luther problem worse is him being a stripper....seems hus take away is that his body is the only thing valuable about himself, which is likely another childhood trauma as his powers were never a skill or ability, but about his body.
And its a well known take away by survivors of that kind of assault that results in them turning to spicy work.
I didn’t even think of that 😢
What I have a problem with is the characters constantly making fun of Luther for being a stripper. There's nothing wrong with that line of work and we as a society should start recongnizing the amount of athleticism, emotional intelligence, time manegement skills, and creatively it takes to work in spicy work.
what a great point! my opinion has always been who cares if someone does sex work as long as they consent, but i never thought about how it should be extra respected as a career for the skill it takes!
@@mavymagdowney9798 thanks for being open minded! It’s something I feel strongly about as people usually don’t know it’s not like the movies or how much skill it actually takes to be successful.
Yea like him being a stripper makes no sense to me and it makes it depressing too
The fact that Baby Shark was the least egregious part of this seaon is incredible.
One thing that I do like is how Luther went from being the most against Viktor in Season 1, to being one of his strongest supporters in Season 4. I didn’t like him much in earlier seasons but I really warmed up to the family driven himbo in this season.
I miss Pogo. Its like loosing a good father.
😂😂 your father is a cgi monkey
@@ViralCog 💯💯💯
Sucks that Netflix was rushing this show out the door. Really shows their departure from caring about quality over raw quantity
Honestly some of the worst aspects of the season were what the showrunner wanted so, even with more time I think I would have had most of the same complaints
Netflix has been heading downhill for years now. Apple TV is making great original content, surprisingly.
At the end of the day they are making millions of dollars so I would see why they like quantity over quality 😅
@@AmandaTheJediSteve Blackman has been running this show into the ground since S3 :/
All I remember is Elliot Page's character using a white violin in Season 1 and I'm confused to how he became The Torch from the Fantastic Four.
I know!! The power was like manipulating sound into some sort of energy and I loved it. It was so unique and powerful but they kept making Victor less and less powerful as the seasons went on.
I was hella confused, my assumption was adding in the marigold as adults slightly altered their powers b
Yea, Lila gets lazer eyes, Klaus flys, Allison gets Jean Grey/Starlight powers, and Viktor becomes a short fused human torch 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@rachaelthorpe4491his power was very unique and thats why it was as dangerous as it was. by focusing on one sound and tuning every other sound out the sound that hes focusing on resonates in his body cause him to turn sound into a form of energy. by doing this he was able to push out sound waves that were capable of instantly killing people, pinning them down, or blasting them away depending on how much force he can apply in his current emotional state. second by listening to any sound again but now using his heart he can pull sound energy in his body and release it as a huge blast which is how he got out of his cage. by using sound amplification he was able to create sonic booms which blew up the umbrella academy and caused it to come crumbling down, by manipulating the weather he can use wind in a form of telekinesis which is how he killed pogo and he can control water and make it rain, he can amplify the powers of people with marigold and also extract marigold and durango, he can share his powers with someone establishing a psychic link, he can convert sound into pure destructive energy, he can drain peoples life force, and he can fly yet the only things we saw him do in season four was extract durango, shoot energy beams out of his hands ( which neither him or harlan did before ), sound wave distribution, and he just released basic orange energy blasts like they seriously dumbed down his power. even in seasons 2 and 3 he really only just used energy blasts and they made his power make him look like a human glow stick which didnt look good and wasnt as threatening as his glowing ice blue eyes and and pale skin in season one.
@@rachaelthorpe4491there was no Victor in the show till season 3.
You’re the ONLY ONE I’ve seen who has commented on Luther turning into part Ape. It annoyed me so much!
I had to rewind to see if I had missed anything
@@bjam89 same! And had to pause to look online to make sure I hadn’t misremembered what had happened.
Oh trust me there are many things I noticed and didn't mention here either because I logic'd my way out or it drove me crazy but THAT one... that one was a mistake for sure
That bugged me so much because not only didn't it make any sense but they clearly only kept it in for the hilarious "comic relief" of "👉haha man super hairy"
I’m really glad you touched on how irrational it was for Jennifer to go with asshole Ben instead of the people she’s known all her life. As we later see from her reaction in the barn, she was literally traumatized by her experience being inside of the giant squid, so why would she willingly go with the asshole she just met that bears a resemblance to the thing that traumatized her??? Especially when her family is actively telling her to get away from him and that he’s dangerous????? So many things happen in this season just because they need to for the plot to progress, without any actual reason or thought behind WHY these things should or would happen.
Allison SA'ing Luther is basically the only thing I remember about S3 because of how insane it was and because they basically just ignored it
THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT LUTHER!!!! I found it so bizarre that they just swiftly bypassed what happened to Luther last season with Allison in favour of making him a joke and turning him into a being of levity for the sake of brushing that under the rug.
Male SA is something that is commonly scoffed at and joked about so it's nice to hear you mention that that was messed up. And they portrayed it as such in the actual scene, but having them just promptly forget about it afterwards was so strange.
I have been waiting for this video. I need Amanda to tear it apart so I can feel like those hours of my life spent watching season 4 weren't completely wasted.
They did Luther and Diego SO dirty this season. Luther deserved so much better. And don't get me started on the Five and Lila thing. There is NO UNIVERSE in which Five would give up on his family like that, not even for love, and especially not for his BROTHER'S WIFE AFTER THE WRITERS SPECIFICALLY JOKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING SO ABSURD. Jesus. They all deserved so much better, and Alison deserved a lot worse.
Alison and Luther didn’t fall in love either yet every other season featured hints of a love story
After season 2 they dumbed down Diego a bit gradually and REALLY dumbed down Luther. Luther was NOT that much of a himbo in the first couple seasons, and Diego always had blind spots/wasn't the smartest of the group but I got so tired in this season of him (and Luther) being the butt of the joke for missing something obvious
After this season, I don't think the writers have been joking all this time
The amount of interviews I’ve read where the actors seemed really disappointed/frustrated with how this season went is really upsetting.
I was debating watching the series before watching this and I'm glad I watched yours first since, "The world is better without me in it" stories hurt my heart way too much.
I always thought that we were going to meet all of 43 babies that got the marigold, in each season, I’m still upset we didn’t😢
Right?! Like that would have been awesome to see and yet they just aren’t a thought in anyone’s head!
I saw a comment on a vid stating how f'd it is that the end to a traumatised family (people who live with trauma) was that they should off themselves so that everyone else could live, and that the world would be better off without them, and my world shook at reading that comment! The message for the ending of this series is truly f'd.
What should have happened (which someone else made a comment on) was that Five figured out that he was the one who f'd up the timeline (and not the fam) and he had to go back in time to stop himself from going to the future. Tell the fam to get rid off/seal away Reginald (like what he did with Viktor) eventually leading them to heal from their collective trauma and live semi normal lives.
But alas, the UA ended at S3 so we'll never knw.
Right?? I felt like that's sort of where it was going in season 1. It ended with them all in their child forms looking at each other. And according to the writers, that wasn't what was actually happening, it was just "symbolism". So what can we take the symbolism of everyone holding hands and being a child to mean? That when they were together, as a team, back when they were children, things were okay and hopeful and had a chance to improve (as long as Reggie was out of the picture!!)
So with that logic, I kept thinking, oh, they need to fix their childhood, oh, the apocalypse keeps happening because the damage has been done and they need to fix their childhood, oh, the universe is falling apart because they were exploded by Harlon or whatever his name was and they didn't fix their childhood, they must have to fix their childhood. Surely the logical thing is that they need to be a family and fix their problems together BEFORE Five ran away and Ben died and Viktor was abandoned??
And I hear you say "well isn't that kind of rude to irl traumatised people, to say that the only way you could live a happy life would be if you went back in time and stopped the traumatic incident?" NO because the family will still be traumatised. Five doesn't have to go back to a clean slate. They literally showed us IN THE FIRST EPISODE that Five can send an older consciousness back into its younger body... Because he's in his child form. Why can't he do that with all of them? Drop the decimal and send their consciousnesses into their child bodies. They're traumatised but they can have a fresh start and stick together this time so no one dies. They can give themselves a normal childhood with a lovely robomother and a chimp dad. Wouldn't that be coming full circle and kind of clever - if a bit obvious - writing??
Just a few things I noticed that you didnt get to hit on:
-Reggie erasing the kids' minds seems like something he would do, but he couldn't erase Ben's mind so how would Ben not know how he died or not ask what happened to the little girl named Jennifer he was trying to save?
-How did Jennifer end up in the squid? Why a squid? How is Ben related to the squid? Why did she know about the Cleanse? How did the Durango get inside her? Does she have Durango powers, or is she just normal with a chance to blow up the world?
-What about the other Marigold kids that are out there in the world? Surely there were others who could have been alive in the other timelines with powers, and they just never came back to that idea, only the ones Reggie ever got
-When Five and Lyla go to their first alternate universe, they run past a future apocalypse Five, meaning that's a timeline that had Five in it and he got stranded. But when they go back in time, the other kids don't recognize Five, which they should because they had a Five. That one's just a mistake.
-If Gene and Jean have evidence of alternate timelines and especially the alternate versions of the Umbrella kids, why wouldn't they... go visit them? Like, they have evidence of Alison Hargreeves being an Umbrella Kid, and they know what she'd look like as an adult from her acting gigs, AND she's an actress in this world who has an agent and a phone number. They should be able to find her relatively easily.
That's all I got for now, but wow what a letdown
"-What about the other Marigold kids that are out there in the world?"
Yeah, I was also wondering about that. Also, in Season 3, Harlan killed the Umbrella kid's mothers so they were never born in that timeline. Why didn't that fix the timeline if all it needed was for them to not to be born/have marigold particles in one timeline? Was it because Harlan had some of Victor's marigold particles so they weren't entirely erased? Which brings us back to the issue of the other marigold kids still existing...
Abt the squid, my best guess is that it was to either represent Ben or be Ben from another timeline that used his powers to turn into a full squid, maybe to protect Jennifer from drowning... But that's if we ignore the fact that the director turned mindless and probably didn't even have a real reason for it.
I saw someone theorise about the other marigold kids that since the marigold was never released there never were any kids born with super powers. Since the umbrella + Lila + Ben drink some they’re the only ones to ever come into contact with it
@@haeherfeder1713 Ah! For some reason I forgot the Umbrella's didn't have powers after the reset was because they didn't have marigold particles (and therefore we assume no other kids did either).
So is the takeaway that it's all a-hole Ben's fault because he inflicted them with the M particles again and then got together with Jennifer and it was better than he died originally?
And that Reginald bringing his wife back out of love, not killing Jennifer and delaying shooting Ben because of 'goodness' was a bad thing that ended the world.
On top of the' it's better for the world if traumatized people erased themselves', talk about confused messaging!
@@azara7574 Jesus, I never even thought about that interpretation of the message, I hate that (:
This honestly makes me so sad. I didn't have the greatest childhood and related so hard to them. Having it end with "You were never supposed to exist, you were a mistake, no you can never be happy and live a peaceful life. The world is better without you in it, the people you love don't need you" is honestly so insane and I'm really really glad I'm at a point of my life where this doesn't effect me much bc I know if I'd seen this when I was 17-19 it would've just been more incentive for me to not exist anymore. Honestly upset that such a goofy, supportive show turned out this way with such a damaging final message.
I mean, like… I can’t explain how much I hate that they basically erases Reggie every season so the kids keeps having to deal with their trauma while being completely unable to deal with it.
FACTS!
Love that Nick Offerman and his wife Megan Mullally could play the villian couple though. It feels like parallel universe Ron Swanson and Tammy Swanson.
They were the best part of the season
Okay true
it feels like the writers simply gave up, with everyone. no one had an arc. they were just *there*. like, remember when five learned in season 3 that he was going to create the commission and it felt like this big reveal that was going to have a huge impact on him? they didn't mention it until one of the fives in the diner has a throwaway line about one of the variants doing it. just absolute senioritis in tv form.
Also something that really bugged me--didn't Harland call it Marigold? Like that wasn't the name of it...just his nickname for it. But then this season they act like that's what they've always called it and everyone knows obv? Did I miss something??
THANK YOU! This has been bothering me this whole time! Why do they all call it that??? I've never read them but I assume that's what it's called in the comics and the writers of the show just decided to shoehorn it in. It would've made sense if Victor started calling it that after Harlan said it and it caught on or if they showed Harlan getting some kind of vision of its creation or something to show that he didn't come up with it himself but they made it seem like he came up with the name "Marigold" and Reginald and Abigail already knew it somehow?
Your section on Lila and Five gave me a HUGE case of Deju Vu. I swear I had a dream where I had already watched that exact segment of this video like a year or so ago! Brains be weird or Umbrella Effect real?!
Regarding Sloan, especially after Allison's SA lite of Luther, I'm of the mind that she just wrote Luther's wife out of the new timeline because she's just that petty. Seeing Luther find his happy relationship while she was So Miserable? Allison would absolutely be so inclined.
I agree with everything apart from the ending: almost every apocalypse was completely avoidable and exclusively caused by the trauma that they had suffered (i.e. Viktor destroying the world in s1, or Grace (herself an abuse victim) becoming obsessed with the time rip in the basement in s3) so for me the natural conclusion was always supposed to be that they learn to start fully healing from their trauma and literally severing the cycle of abuse. The cycle of apocalypses felt narratively like the cycle of abuse.
There was no Victor in season 1
@@mariposa9506 Stop commenting under everyone's posts about this, you obsessed weirdo
The ending killed me, it could’ve been so much better. They could’ve blipped everyone to the subway and have Victor take all of his sibling’s marigold, he would have a tearful goodbye knowing that he would finally be the hero he wanted to be. In the midst of Victor taking the sibs marigold, Five disappears seemingly not wanting to lose his powers. The family reluctantly enter the train as the door closes, Five comes back, and flashes Diego an apologetic look, Diego looks back realizing he is sacrificing himself for him and Lila. Victor looks on in confusion, Five remarks, ‘All I’ve ever known is apocalypse, each moment in between them I lose people I love.’ He wistfully looks at Lila as the train speeds away, looks down and mutters, ‘Enough’. He then clutches Victor and blips them to Victor’s empty bar. Unsteady Victor pours 2 glasses of whiskey, he slides one over to Five and sits next to him. The bar slowly is enveloped in flames, Victor looks over to Five and remarks, ‘ So apparently the only way to get you to come to Canada is an apocalypse, eh.’ The two dissolve into laughter as they are engulfed in the cleanse. The timeline collapses to reveal glimpses of the remaining academy members lives, Lila and her family clapping at Diego’s law enforcement graduation, Allison directing her daughter in a school play, Luther dropping a textbook about astronomy, only for it to be picked up by Sloan, and Klaus walking into a dispensary,only to go behind the counter. We hear a bell and a customer enters, Klaus looks up as the customer asks him what he recommends, Klaus states, ‘ The Bennifer blend is pretty pungent but will make you see the dead or White Violin it starts out timid but has a powerful crescendo.’ As he finishes speaking the camera slowly pans over to a marigold covered picture frame with remaining members of his family smiling dressed in Umbrella Academy costumes at a birthday party. Though that ending is really because of the poor season 4 choices.
I mean you just freaking did that so easily, I believe it, I can see it, it satisfies me. How hard would that have been???
I would prefer if Reginald intervened and had Victor give the marigold to him so they can leave.
Love this piece of fan fiction lol
Oh my god you’re absolutely right. It would be messed up to make Victor be the one to sacrifice themselves after all they’ve been through, but if marigold is truly the problem, he totally could have pulled it all from the siblings and taken on the Cleanse himself.
Ngl you healed me with this, imma just pretend it ended this way
My biggest problem with this season was the Five/Lila romance. I just really, really liked their friendship! A man and a woman can be friends! Not everything needs to turn into a romance or sex. It was so disappointing..
They were stuck for 7 years alone on a different timeline... and never thought they will be back to the original current timeline sooner or later. That's why they decided to take a break and settle at the strawberry greenhouse. They were tired of trying to find a way home.. basically they gave up and I totally understand why they grew feeling for one another. You are alone with a human of opposite sex... I mean it's human nature after all. The survival instinct kicks in.
@@chris.cloudroomThat's in Watsonian, but in doylist reason it was a character assassination from the writer. The writer could made it about Diego and Lila getting stuck because it was what their arc supposed to be. But, no let's make a dude backstabed his bro and cheat with his wife.
@chris.cloudroom I understand that, but they're not real people. The writers didn't have to write it. They shouldn't have written in an new affair/love triangle in the finale season with only 6 episodes (especially between a brother and his sister in law who has kids). I honestly think it would have made more sense for Lila to cheat with random person or Diego from a different timeline rather than 5 that way we could focus more on their relationship rather some sort of love triangle.
@@RobinWood1292 agreed. Made for some extra drama but I would have preferred them to have just been friends.
It's even worse because Five said he was married to Dolores for 30 years in the first apocalypse, but there was a scene of him dragging her in the wagon when he was visibly a teenager. He waited like 10 years to marry Dolores. He wouldn't struggle with 6 and a half years with another person, especially someone who he quite literally said "I like my women a little less likely to kill me in my sleep" about. Like, that is a direct quote from season 3 that he said about Lila. He would not do that.
Considering Victor had a small part in ending the world multiple times, I was expecting that Vic would use the Marigold Absorbing Power to drain all the other Umbrella’s powers and then sacrifice himself to the Ben-Blob as redemption.
Everyone finds a way to survive, reasonably happy, with just Normal lives. Lila and Diego find a way to fix the problems, Five can finally retire and rest easy knowing he doesnt have to fight to save the world, again.
Instead, they make the Grandfather Paradox again and then bamf out.
Noo, I just watched the deleted scenes and I'm baffled why would they delete these???? Why??? These were Klaus' best scenes that showed that the character we love so much is still there! I literally teared up watching them.
where can you see them?
@@laltrasfaccettaturadelrubi6845 I'm not sure, I just googled it and it was on some Netflix related site. Sorry, I can't remember where exactly. 😅
I might have given s4 a passing grade, until Lila and Five hooked up. Felt like nothing short of character assassination. Five spent decades surviving and killing just to get back to his family. His betrayal of Diego felt extremely out of character. Same with Lila even though she mentioned a break. They were in this rut but we knew her and Diego still cared about each other. For her to do something that would be so hurtful to Diego felt unnecessarily cruel. Not to mention, it was a commission job, but in another life, Five murdered her entire family. I just don't think thats something you get over to the point of sleeping with them.
Regarding the Five Lila situation, I think one aspect to remember is that the actor was a teenager when they started working together on the show, so that context is likely factoring into how a lot of people are reading it
I don’t think its that, it’s that he still looks 13!
@@erinys2 fr, i know he's my age, but when i look at them together, all i see is a kid and his teacher.
It was disappointing not just from a plot side but also the visuals were terrible.
Really looked like the budget was slashed.
Umbrella Academy’s visuals, characters, music and story peaked in season 2
Covid and inflation and the writers protests
I am so tired of shows and movies deciding the only way to resolve the plot is to have the characters commit suicide under the guise of a "sacrifice for the greater good".
...the greater good
this season just reminds me of the times when i’ve turned in crappy essays because i waited until the last minute and just went with whatever i could think of. it’s worse because we know that tua can be a great show, sad how it all went downhill after season 2.
you know that meme when someone is drawing an amazing realistic horse head but then gives it a very cartoonish body? that's the vibe I got from season 4
Klaus makes no sense! He mastered his powers, he wasn't affraid of them anymore. So why is he now affraid of his powers, but totally cool being burried alive. It was so disappointing. Klaus is my favorite.
as someone who only watched season 1 the first 2 minutes of this video are truly insane
Stay with only seeing season 1. Season 2 has some amazing moments but overall just isn't as good and season 3 was a deal breaker for me. I didn't even know season 4 was out until this vid notification.
Yeah, I’m totally lost hearing all this after only seeing up till the first 3 episodes of season 2 before calling it quits.
I really enjoyed season 1 years back, but never watched the rest. When I saw season 4 had come out, I was gonna finish the rest of the series.....I cant be bothered now lol
@@cosmo588 2 might be worth a watch. While not as good as 1 IMO, it does have some truly fantastic moments. 3 is trash and apparently 4 is even worse
@@wingracer1614 Alright ill give it a go :)
What killed me about the side stories was the writers knew how the show was going to end yet decided to open new threads at the last second. Like nothing worse than a HUGE revelation happing roughly 45 min before it doesn't matter at all
The one reveal I was waiting for was Gene and Jean turning out to both be fragments from other realities and actually the same person - which is why they were so in sync - and to explain why they knew about everything and were leading the movement. Was disappointed when that never came and they turned out to be regular people tbh
Same. I was shocked that they were a legit married couple in that world.
That would have fit really well with the first scene of them playing cards.
@@dekopuma right?? They were playing snap or something, they always knew what the other was thinking, they wore the same outfits, they knew everything about each other. Having them be romantically involved would have been weird but honestly I think the UA has done weirder things
To me, season 3 made it more obvious than ever that losing Five and Ben so young was not just another part of all their trauma but like, the main cause of their overall dysfunction because they felt that they didn’t have anything tying them together anymore, especially with losing Ben. I feel like it was set up perfectly for Sparrow Ben to have some great character growth - they could’ve shown him becoming closer with some of the family and fitting into that dynamic, expanding on the whole “you have some of him inside of you” idea that Klaus introduced in season 3. It would have made him causing the cleanse so much more powerful and emotional?? But instead they just kept him an asshole
My good friend told me that the biggest miss in the show was the fact the cult of Fives only had like....2 minutes of screen time. They should have had way more time.
I DESPISED the affair sideplot. Absolutely pointless.
The only recurring bit I enjoyed was the Baby Shark bit. It made me laugh every time. And I am the QUEEN of finding redeemable qualities in all shows/movies... and Baby Shark was the only one I liked.
I'm glad you found something to enjoy! :) I'm a bit bummed they set up the rolling joke but didn't land the joke in the end. I genuinely thought as the van ended up in the mob that the pay off would be a fun action fight scene with Baby Shark playing in the background. But alas, it seemed they didn't have the budget or ability to create a fun action scene like they did in season 1.
But yes, agreeing with your friend that the chaos of the Cult of Fives could have been a lot of fun, it's a shame it only existed for a brief exposition dump.
The only things I don't like about the Baby Shark bit is that it goes on for a bit too long when the season is already short enough as it is and it's the only song I can remember from this season at all.
What I hate is that everyone went back to what they were on s01...
The growth they had during the show, went away or got worse, so the end we got felt unsatisfactory for this reason.
I don't know. I feel they were better in Season 1.
Klaus's character development really pissed me off. Like oh, he gets his powers back and IMMEDIATELY is just like, welp, I'm off the wagon...? I think that's one of the areas where the show felt super rushed. There could have been like half to a full episode of Klaus trying to stay clean with his powers back and finding he just can't do it before relapsing. His response to that felt like it had little to nothing backing it. This was made worse because most of his story following his relapse felt like filler in a season that didn't have time for filler stories. They could have spent the same time they spent with him being a sex medium instead dealing with him fighting his addictions. (Seriously, did that side plot of Klaus's have ANYTHING to do with the main plot of the season? Please remind me if I'm forgetting something.)
Yeah the ending of the show pretty much makes every other season worthless in terms of what they fought for
Why couldn’t 5 only like Dolores,
Isn’t that enough?
I liked that idea.
23:30 The really frustrating part of this for me was that like. The reason that he couldn't have his powers and be sober before wasn't that his powers just made him into an addict; like the issue was that his powers are horrifying and that he struggles to deal with them without chemical assistance. S4 completely forgets that. His dad locked him in a mausoleum--like a spacious aboveground crypt--and he came out so traumatized he could barely function for decades. He gets literally *buried alive* and the only spirit that shows up is Thunderbolt.
Also like Klaus' accusations aimed at Alison are, like... They're unfair, and he's clearly saying them to hurt her in the moment because he's deeply angry about having his effective DNR disrespected (gets even funnier given where the show ends up), but they're not exactly inaccurate. She does care about him, but she's also absolutely using him to feel morally superior, and her reaction to Klaus relapsing pretty clearly demonstrates that (and then Clair starts spouting some real Twitter "it's okay to cut people out of your life" discourse; I get that Clair doesn't know that her mother was ostracized for a reason or that she's a kidnapping victim but it's wild that the writers seem to have believed that would come off well). The fact that the show seems to want us to believe that Alison is in the right is insane.
JUST NOW Steve Blackman has just said on Instagram that it was Netflix who cut it down to 6 episodes, they originally wanted ten...
Netflix doesn’t care for fans
I feel like they did 5 dirty this season cuz I wouldn't see him sleeping with his brother wife.
You know, everyone is glossing over that Lyla is kind of their sister, too. Same as the S1 Luther/Allyson ick - quasi incestuous love triangle,yuck.
I agree with every single sentence!!! The kids thing really had me confused. Lila had kids! And she just didn't care.... Until she did! 😂 Thank you for validating my confusion!
It wasn't particularly well written but I think the idea was that Lila had simply given up on the idea of ever seeing them again after so much disappointment.
I suppose the problem with this season being so short was that we had to do a lot of the writers' work for them.
My Big issue with the Jennifer Incident is that it makes no sense in-universe. So Reg is this brilliant alien that unleashed Marigold and knows of the Durango and it's effect.
So why tf does he sent his kids (and all their marigold) to Jennifer in the first place, especially if it takes him minutes to just pop up in that shipping yard and kill the two of them himself.
He could just go there and do the job himself?! It makes no sense
This exactly!! he clearly has no hang ups abt killing her so… why didnt he just do it before
28:21 The whole time you were talking about this I was thinking that this is just disrespectful to the memory of Delores. And Diego. And also the vibes are wrong for a romance between them.
Of all the things I expected from this, incredibly bad quality Five/Lila adultery fanfiction was not on the list anywhere. In fact, it would have been at the top of the "haha ew no won't ever happen" list. I-I don't understand... WHO... WHO THOUGHT...
One thing that keeps baffling me that I haven’t heard anyone touch on yet….Soooo when Allison made her deal with Reginald, did she get a Ray that was familiar with modern technology, modern world, etc??? Or did he just go on his merry way, totally ignorant but still inexplicably done with the lady who brought him to this time???? Not to mention…was he actually the father of Allison’s daughter now??? Cuz you’d think he’d be around right? At least you can argue that daddy Patrick cared enough to wanna take custody even….but daddy Ray doesn’t feel the same I guess? Or was he just a former stepdad in this timeline?
Patrick got done so dirty, bro did not deserve this
I think the worst part is all the unanswered questions. Where was Sloane, and why did season 3 end with what appeared to be a "different Ben" only for them to skip over it(for the most part). Disappointed in how it all clued up to say the least.
Edit: It also had the weakest Klaus side quest in any season...
I had my theory of why Sloane wouldn't be there validated in interviews but then Steve Blackman said he still would have liked to include her but didn't have time. But her not being programmed into the reset is the most logical response.
@@HighGuyy420 Agreed on both counts. Maybe Genesis Rodriguez couldn't commit to filming, but Sloane meant so much to Luther, you'd think that it'd be mentioned that he'd tried tracking her down. And it was hard to care about Ben and Jennifer's plot, when we barely even knew her.
I legitimately sobbed when 5 and Lilia got together, I know how stupid it was but I was so upset that the show i loved on its last season would be so bad.
If I had to summarize this season; the creators didn't end Umbrella Academy, they're just done with it.