RV Engine Trouble on the Road (FULL TIME RV)
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As we make our way east toward Phil's next RV class we run into some RV engine trouble. There is nothing worse than having RV engine problems while driving down the highway! Find out what warning light popped on our dash and what we did about it!
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Best wishes guys. Braking down on the road is stressful as hell.
We full-time in a 5th wheel, but we are not travelling at the moment. We have been in this park for three years with plans for a couple more. The point being, I didn't need my RAM3500 DRW if I wasn't pulling the camper. Because of DEF and some other issues with the RAM, I decided to sell it and just grab an SUV for daily use. When we do move it to family land, I will just hire it done. I love the 5th wheel; we had fun travelling in it and it has been great transitioning to full-time living. When we go back to travelling a lot, though, I think it will be with a Class C gasser. This 43' beast will get parked on a slab with a cover and a shop.
I wouldn’t call this a breakdown. A light came on and he sort of panicked. Nothing major like a spun bearing. I’ve driven engines with check engine lights on for months
Phil, recommend that you put electrical tape on your wrench handle when doing work on your battery bank. On my socket wrench I have the handle taped up. If the wrench slips and touches the positive and negative you will get a big arc.
Thanks for the tip. Will do
I second that!! I still have a nice adjustable wrench with a heat-shrinked handle to cover the big burn mark from the first off grid battery bank I assembled back in 1987.
Great tip! I've been monkeying around under the hood and never though about that, I have used insulated adjustable wrench when I had one convenient....what the heck sparks make life more interesting...LOL
As a teenager thats how I learned how DC voltage works!
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Glad you figured out what the issue was! Safe Travels and thank you for your service from one Veteran to another. We stayed at Demings also , good campground!
Realistic and funny all in one. Love this show!
Thank you guys for sharing . We were in New mexico just this fall. We have family in Albuquerque and Alamagordo
Glad that this turned out like it did.🙂 You two did exactly the right thing. WAY better safe than sorry.
I feel this was a really important and informative episode-Thank you-We drive a 35 foot DP freightliner as well so this information was good -So sorry you had to go through the stress 😃🚌👍🏻
Now that video was helpful!!!!! Thanks. I had a problem going thru Albuquerque , NM and Farmington, NM.
Pressure relief value. I had to replace both, one in Albuquerque and the other in Farmington,NM.
I absolutely love watching you and friends videos! We have a diesel pusher RV as well. You guys are the best 😎✌
Love the class A beeps. and here we thought we were the only ones that get them. Do love the Freightliner support. Had a good experience in PA as well.
Really appreciate you guys showing the good, bad and the ugly of RV life. The fact that you let us learn from your struggles is very helpful. Hope you have fair winds and following seas in the rest of 2022. Semper Fi.
Always worry about the issues associated with DEF and the electronics. Glad you guys were able to get to the shop and that the battery reset worked the way it did. Good luck in class Phil...
Man those are tough issues when you are trying to troubleshoot in the truck stop. I like how you guys kept filming and showed how you worked through the problem. It’s not all cool sunsets and sunrises. Appreciate showing the reality of living on the road. Be safe.
Great video. I hope you don't have any more problems. 🤞
I would say you had wonderful support for this problem. It’s awesome when a service shop says No Charge for something that obviously took up their time to diagnose. Have fun in school.
This was a fantastic example of asking good questions and exploring options and risks.
We were at Dream Catcher a few weeks ago, not to bad. Love the HH location as well will have to look that one up. Sorry to hear about your engine troubles as well.
Whew, that could have turned out worse than it did. So glad to see that you were able to make it to Ft Worth and have it checked by that awesome team of technicians. Looking forward to the upcoming training video(s). Have an uneventful and safe journey.
So, you had the dreaded "DEF sensor" code, but Freightliner didn't have the problems Spartan had. The real DEF problems started in 2016 when the EPA changed the requirement. Often, the Check engine code will reset itself after a number of starts, if the problem has corrected. Many full times carry code readers that can reset the codes. Easier than disconnecting batteries.
Good to know. Thanks!
Ahhh, Deming New Mexico. We spent a week there in front of a diesel repair shop waiting for a fuel pump to be shipped and installed in our bus. Glad you got your engine figured out. Safe travels and thanks for all of the videos. We have learned so much from your videos as we transition from bus life to RV life.
Hope that pesky def light remains off. We are headed to Licon HH next week. Thanks for the sneak peak. Have a great week. Mary 💕Fred
So scary. Thank you for all the info.
Love you both and your awesome content. Appreciate so much when you share the trouble and not just the awesome fun parts. We plan to travel in a tiffin like yours and stay at places like you guys. Appreciate your content so much.
Thanks so much!
We were at Licon Dairy about a month ago. The drive in was interesting. Glad to hear you're up and running again.
It's a real bad feeling when things like that happen out of nowhere especially on a interstate. Glad it wasn't anything major.
Also super cool that you guys hang out with Chad and Tara, my other favorites!!
Good luck on the light problem. I have had check lights come on and have an expensive problem. Cleared it and never came on again must be a spook in the camper. Be safe and wishing fair weather on your travels.
That's some good information as I'm looking into RVing soon. I've always taken "maintenance" into consideration when buying a new vehicle. Thank you for your Service btw, Brother, as I'm a Veteran myself.
Lucky break regarding the def. Thanks for videoing this debug process. I might want to order and store any DEF related parts that are in short supply. Probably true with any more common failing Tiffin RED parts.
Love the vids you two. One thing being a full time rv'er is something going wrong with the coach, which is our home. Having animals with us would make it very difficult to find accomodations while repairs are made. We just ran from Texas round trip to Oregon for the holidays and we almost made a huge mistake that would have made life very inconvenient. Thanks for sharing. Julie and I always look forward to your newest videos.
That was awesome that the Fort Worth Freightliner could take a look at it for you and were only 1+ hours away! Imagine being d-rated down to 5mph! UGH! Engines were so less complicated years ago... all this emission stuff just gives us more things to fail! Safe travels!
Someone suggested a obd2 type scan tool.
A lot of large bus and bus size vehicles and tractor trailers don't have a obd2 plug in connection.
They use a round plug connector to access the information to the vehicle computer. You use a laptop with down loaded software that the garage has to pay for annually. Back 10 years or more my shop was paying $5000-$8000 A year for access to the rights to use this software for diagnosis. Cummings, International, ect all had their own software you had to basically rent for 12 months.
So owning a scanner for obd2 may not be an option.
Check with your manufacturer of your vehicle to see if it is obd2 complaint or has the Round pig tail that connects to a computer.
I am so sorry that you all had to go through it. I wish life at this stage in our life could be carefree (all the time). Thank you for sharing this. We love your channel. As Rvers we have learned so much from you. You guys are no nonsense, funny, entertaining and real. So thank you for that. Be safe!!!!
Thank you so much!
We just had our issues with the DEF Head, we managed to make it to our campsite about 40mi away. It took almost a month for the part to come in. Our check engine light finally went red and stop engine light came on, Cummings mobile tech came and replace the sensor. Safe travels
Great info. As new pusher owners with a Freightliner chassis, this was great insight.
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That has been a worry with us after reading posts in the Tiffin FB posts- glad it wasn't the true shut down from the DEF system & so nice they didn't charge you! Safe travels and have fun in class- Chasing RV Sunshine ☀️Joel, Deb & 🐕 Maya
My Volkswagen had a def issue too. Very irritating. I was told don't turn the vehicle off until I got into the dealership maintenance area. I had no idea about the battery cable fix. Just another day... glad you are both safe and well.
Y’all just went right passed my neck of woods ! Happy travels! Did Todd teach you anything?
Great problem solving working the issue. Save travels.
Thanks!
Yes! They are amazing! We love them!
Great video, sorry to hear about your DEF problems, sounds like you handle the problem correctly!
Thank you!
We stopped at Licon Dairy last fall...we liked the cheese there..kinda like a mozzarella thin slices..enjoyed the animal park too
Glad you guys were pretty close to a shop to get help. I would tend to believe that there was air in the DEF line since you recently added some and removing the battery cable cleared the error. Good tip to keep the DEF tank filled. Good luck in school.
Just the thought of not knowing what you may have to face until you had it looked at is the hard part. This is good information to have. Our system went into calibration of the def while driving and it came up on the display. I pulled over and was able to reach the person we purchased our rig from. He told us we need to keep it running and it will do this every so many miles. All you thing about is , OMG now what.
One thing about windy days, Phil doesn’t have to worry about his hair getting must.😉 Some good DEF information.👍🏻
Nice to meet you both at the Tampa RV show today....best of luck with your future travels.
Thanks for coming
@@todayissomeday Yes sir...finally great to put real people to the YT videos. Stop by Missy and my channel, I'll publish the video I did...hmmm...in a couple of months, that is how far behind I am in editing.
I had a 16 Freightliner with a Detroit engine for 3 years. I had a DEF system issue twice in almost the exact same spot near Hesperia, CA about a year apart. Both times I was almost full of DEF. A full day in the shop both times. The truck was less than 3 years old the 2nd time & around 350,000 miles. Warrantee on heavy duty trucks in usually 500,000 miles, so it was covered. But the hotel room (in California) wasn't.
I wish you luck on the DEF. I own a 2018 Entegra DP (Spartan) and most of the Entegra's ( hundreds) have been shut down due to the DEF head. It eventually shuts you down to about 5 miles per hour. I lucked out and error codes came on while on my way to Cummins and they worked with Spartan to get me a new one. I was down for about a week for parts delivery.
Looks like the issues have gone away!! Wooohooo!! Wish I had know you were coming through. I think you were in my town(or close by) of Eastland Texas-about 90 miles west of Ft Worth on I-20!! Next--chicken fry and a cold beer on me!!
Glad you got the rig looked at. DEF is one of the big reasons I will stay with gas. My wife and I will be full time in a fifth wheel at the end of May, I learn much from you two. From an old Air Force retiree to a young Navy retiree, thanks.
That’s one of those things that always lurks in the back of your mind. We have a 2017 Red, with low mileage that we got a few months ago, so am sensitive to your issue. Hope it works out that it doesn’t sidetrack you.
Funny I've had that happen in my F350. We had to stop because it had us down to 5mph. Call someone to get us and went to get food. 45 minutes later we came back and started it just for giggles. Lo and behold it was fine and we drove home. We did disconnect the battery. At first it didn't help but after we got back it woke up.
Glad it all worked out for you guys
Glad it all worked out!! ❤️
We drove from Tennessee to Southern California with transmission problems in October. Not a fun journey. I was on the phone trying to find someone who would even look at us the entire way. The soonest anyone could help us was in Oklahoma City and they were at least two weeks out! We made it home, but it was a nail biter the entire journey. Definitely took the fun out of our trip and was not in our plans. Our rig is almost 20 years old! But we love it and have put so much time and money into it with upgrades. Steve keeps telling me a new rig won’t automatically insure we never have any problems….I guess he may be right. Four thousand dollars later we have a new transmission so the journeys will continue ❤️. I just want to mention how much we love following you. You guys are great! Thanks so very much for sharing the good and the bad!
He's right that a new rig won't automatically insure you never have any problems. It's always something new or used. Happy you were able to make it home okay and get the issues resolved.
Keep your 20-year-old pre-emissioned unit..... Trust me when I tell you the new ones are all shit and smell like plastic!
Even at 450k honestly I wish I still had my 2003 coachmen and no payments.
Our very first outing with our '96 DP my engine derated - trust me when I say that you'll know it when it happens! My dash temp gauge is inaccurate (I now have a Scangauge so have accurate readings all the time) so when it indicated I was approaching high heat I was already there (partially blocked radiator cooling fins - which were discovered and cleaned out). Mine ran like a champ on the flat and minor inclines and only derated when we had taller hills and mountains to deal with. Not one of the best feelings in the world to wonder about what's going on and why, so I can totally understand your hesitation, Phil.
We had the same issue on our Tiffin 35CP two months ago. Same parts shortage but thankfully Cummins was able to get us in and apply their software patch. For ours, they're saying 5 - 6 months. I realize this was 3 months ago for you, hope it's still running with no issue.
I believe they started using DEF in 2010, and our Tiffin Phaeton is an '08, so no worries on that front, but I'm glad that Freightliner took good care of you. Once I had an 'overheat' yellow dash light, (which went out after climbing a long/steep grade) and I stopped in at Cummin's to have them do a quick diagnostics, which they found that the engine went into 'regen' well after the start of the long/steep climb, and said all was good, and that their was no charge either! Glad to hear you've not had the same DEF message, and hopefully you can get it looked at, so that worry for you will be eliminated. Stay safe you two!
Sympathy on your travel troubles (research DEF issues). Hope school went well. Thanks for the update.
Glad you were able to get back on the road without any problems. One thing mentioned was the low voltage on the code. Checking the connections on the batteries and cleaning them may help prevent a repeat problem. Have the batteries checked for condition also. If they are getting old and there is a low voltage issue on startup, especially if the weather is a little cold/cool, it can cause the code to appear. I had a similar issue on my truck and found that a battery terminal had come loose. Cleaned and tightened, problem solved. Good luck.
Error lights....friend and foe. Heart jumps when they come on. Thankfully only a few in several thousand miles for us. A dairy without homemade ice cream...sacrilegious! Strong winds over the past two weeks in Florida....white knuckle driving. Thanks, shipmates. Peace!
Did you go to Elisa's House of Pies? She cycles through over 100 pies! Good soul food! Great people. They were RVing when winds stopped them there. They fell in love with the area and stayed.
I love the Dreamcatcher RV Park. There is a Harvest Host winery there (wine prices cheaper at Walmart).
You did not mention the camel at the dairy! The cheese is very good. The food in the bar is good!
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That's what scares us about getting an RV. We wouldn't have a clue what to do if that happened to us. So glad you were able to get to the mechanic. I'm thinking our sticks and bricks will be sufficient! Safe travels, love your show! We hopefully will meet you both at the Tampa RV Show.
Thanks so much!
Freiightliner there is a great customer business. We had to spend the night in their parking lot awaiting their service. Great business.
Oil changes in the Fort Worth area run over to Decater Tx to first choice lube. It is about 280.00 for and inspection oil change in the generator and the coach engine. Now all that being said Phil we had the same thing happen to our coach in no where NM two years ago. Filled the def tank 3 gallons cleared the message it has not reoccurred over the last 16,000 miles. So fear not my friends boldly go forward with out worry. Besides if Ruby does break down there is nothing you can do about it but work the problem. So don't worry about failures before they occur. If you want to know know more about the oil change deal give me a call. Mike
Hopefully this problem will not return. Good luck in your continued travels.
We too had the DEF sensor go bad on our 2017 Anthem last summer. Our RV needed to be towed to the closest Cummins a couple hours away. They said this was a known issue and the DEF head needed replacement. The dealer called Corporate who said to just park it while they waited on parts, which could take 3 months or more. After explaining to corporate we were full-timers and following specific requirements, our dealer persuaded Cummins to provide us the parts we needed. After staying for 10 days with free water and electric at Camp Cummins we were back on the road free of charge. If Freight-liner covers yours under warranty, I would recommend you replace it as soon as possible or carry a spare.
Sounds like the same thing we ran across.1st time we stopped at a diesel shop and they cleared the codes and did a regen for an hour. The 2nd time was my fault,I left the cap off. We did the battery reset as someone suggested on Facebook and it went away. No low def alarms since then and we’ve been traveling for 6 months after
Oh guys I’m so sorry to hear this. As a truck driver the most frustrating and hated system in our rigs is the DEF system. I’ve spent over $16,000 trying to get mine lined out, and still having problems.
We drive a Chevy with a Duramax 6.6. Always have an issue with the DEF Sensors at high altitudes. Bought a scanner for the vehicle and when the truck decides to throw codes at me, I clear them with a scanner unless it needs to be addressed right away. So far this has saved us several times.
In Wyoming we had winds like that - 50 mph gusting to 70 hitting us broadside. I pulled our awning canvas out from under the metal cover. We were on the side of the interstate wondering how we would get it back in when a gust hit and it wound back in. Stopped at the next town cause thankfully the pass was closed. When we went over the next day three semis were tipped over.
We made a trip to northern Indiana when it was 7 degrees. The def must have gelled be cause it did not regen for 2000 miles which was on a different trip about 3 months later. I was driving in the sweet spot which is probaly too fast. When I slowed down and let the engine bog a little the regen happenned. I ran the def below a quarter tank then filled with fresh. Never another issue
We tow our car via tow dolly and thus also can't back-up. Thus far we stayed twice at a Cracker Barrel and often see they have extra RV parking spaces (although they are barely enough).
I have a 2020 sprinter van, 5000 miles, and the count down started. When it reaches 0 ,you can only drive 5 mph. Got it to the dealer who said the def was at 15 percent and should be 32.5. When I got back home I check the box of blue def ,it was only 3 months old. Then I bought a refractometer and tested the small amount of def still in the box. It read 0, so my tank is 5 gallon so 2.5 gallon of 0 and 2.5 gallons at 30 would average out to 15. I bought the blue def at Walmart in Florida. So now I test every time I fill .
I hoped that fixed yours, I had a low def light come on last 4th of July on my 2018 Thor Venesian 40a, it had been on for maybe 100 miles before I started that trip. We we’re about 3 hours from our home in Shelby NC to eat breakfast then head to Missouri, when we got back on the road after breakfast the RV would only go 5 miles per hour so we limped to the Shelby High School where we parked and called Freightliner. My low def light was on but my def was full so I ignored it until this happened, it was the def head unit that was malfunctioning and they brought out a new one and installed it there but the WiFi wasn’t good enough to do a regen so they had to tow it to Gafney SC about 20 miles away where the chassis was actually built and had us on the road the next day, so definitely don’t ignore a low def light if your full of def. Love y’all’s channel.
Had the same problem with my 2014 Phaeton Cummins has a DEF recall.
I spent a night at that Cracker Barrel, no good options for large rigs in their lot. At 40' plus a toad, I ended up parking in the large lot where you were hooking up your toad.
Phil
If you dig into the de issue you will find a Cummings recall with the def issue documented with over 3k in free repairs. At least it was what I found with my 2014 33aa
We were supposed to travel today, but we have high wind warnings here in TX so we decided to wait until tomorrow. When I heard Phil talk about what can happen in high winds, I knew we made the right decision. We'll be staying at Dreamcatcher RV Park next month on our way to Arizona. We try to use Escapees parks when we can because of the great price. I'm glad your issue with the low DEF light turned out to not be too bad!
Smart to wait out the high winds!
Good thing y’all went to freghtliner but Also try pilot or love truck stop mechanics
Glad you guys are ok. Just an FYI join (unless already) rv diagnostics and troubleshooting. Jeff is the founder he’s always on along with many other knowledgeable folks. Jeff will walk you through issues he has saved me several times.
Good to know on the def fluid.
Yeah, New Mexico is really windy along the I-10.
Enjoy your channel and story. I would highly recommend a blue tooth OBD plugin module. Those will tell you what code is set and can clear it to allow you to see if it comes back. I use an edge product with my diesel truck and love the information it provides. Safe travels, and thank you for your service, from an old retired Army guy.
Good call smitty d! I will look into getting one for sure.
I had a def sensor issue on my F250 Super Duty . Same problems you had they did change sensor how ever found out batteries where dying replaced both. Going back on diagnostics test said it was a low voltage issue. Have your batteries Checked.
It’s always good to know a little about engines. I would keep going until it came back. These engines now days are so finicky. Is there oil in the engine…check. Is the fuel free from contamination…check. Crank it and go.
You have a check engine light and a malfunction indicator light. When the code is active the CEL will come on. Once the fault is inactive the MIL will stay on until cleared. Always get DEF at the truckstop pumps and if you use the jugs check the expiration date. If your DEF gauge red light is on the level sensor or sender could be failing if the light is blinking it has lost communication with ECU or CECU. Good luck 👍
If the problem doesn't reoccur, several cycles will probably extinguish the Chk Eng lite. Mine was doing that over and over. Ended up replacing the DEF head. Fixed the problem. You may consider getting a software update from Cummins where you will not be Derated.
love the Donkey Jokes! Cant wait to get out there on the road with yall!
As soon as she said dump Phil, I cracked up.
I built a DEF Simulator and tested, works great. Its cheap and easy to build. Also Cummins will install a patch, not sure why they didn't tell you about the patch. Derate is not 55mph its 5mph. Hundreds and hundreds of MH and big rigs have been sidelined by the DEF sensor issues.
I had the sensor fail on my tiny 2.8L Diesel in my GMC Canyon. It took over 2 weeks for the dealer to get the part in and get it repaired. The worst issue is the truck will start reducing the maximum speed you can drive in increments every 100 miles until the problem is fixed. I was down to a maximum speed of 55 when I took it in.
In 2011 I bought a Volvo truck with a Cummins engine. It was one of the first with the requirement for DEF and the new exhaust system. That truck was in the shop every single month of it's life until I sold it 3 years later and claimed bankruptcy. 11 years later and I drive company trucks that have very few problems but sensors are regularly problematic, especially on Cummins engines.
Personally, the worse decision ever made on coming up with DEF in the first place! So glad we have the pre DEF engine! Glad you were able to figure out what was wrong and nothing has come back, but that would always be in the back of my mind going down the road next time! Wishing you both the best in your travels. We will be here in TN until end of May, as DW is getting knee surgery next month. Hope to see you down the road, as we will be heading up to New England later on and winter in Florida at end of year into '23.
Good video.
Athens Texas is only about 1 hr from me . Gladewater Texas here
Phil one thing I will recommend to you is where electrical connections like the batteries or a ground connection keeping those spots clean cause those spots if you have a build up of gunk it can cause a voltage issue to where a sensor will not read properly cause it doesn’t have the proper voltage
Good call Nathan. Thanks.
Happy that wasn't a serious problem.