I really thought a sequel to Prometheus, with Elizabeth Shaw carrying David's head around in a bag and visiting the engineer homeworld, would have been much more interesting than this. Covenant takes too much from other long running Horror series - where the monster becomes the main character and everyone else is there to be killed in entertaining ways - only this time with the secondary villain from the first film (the Android - Ash / David) swapped into the primary villain role. The bleakness / unlikeable cast of soon to be victims started with Alien 3, and the series never recovered. But there are still some things in this I find interesting (like Rob says, that the Androids hate its own creators so much it creates the perfect organism to destroy us - there's something there that could be explored in a more interesting film).
Alien 3 had a big religious theme as well, so Covenant is definitely not the first time faith has been introduced as an element in the Alien franchise.
So I'm not a fan of Alien Covenant, I think it's incredibly flawed, but I don't get this attitude that a film can only be good if it has optimism and hope, especially a film that is from a franchise I always saw as more horror than sci-fi. I never compared Alien to Star Trek for example, if there was a Star Trek show or film that lacked hope and optimism I certainly would be disappointed because that's a central tenet to the Star Trek universe. But hope and optimism are not things I've ever associated with the Alien franchise, if anything I think they would take something away from the Alien films. It's nice to have a little bit of that, a ray of hope, but too much hope and optimism would completely ruin it.
Have to agree here. It’s a weird attitude that there has to be some kind of optimism. It’s one step away from the awful Hollywood idea of having to have a “happy ending” or the good guy having to win, regardless of how ridiculous it is. A prime example of which, for me was collateral 2004. Not an amazing movie, but one I really enjoyed and I thought Tom cruise was great as the assassin. The fact that that Jamie foxx’s cab driver character somehow manages to best a professional hitman who’s been expertly dealing with sh*t throughout the whole film, is just ludicrous and ruins the whole film.
@DrRhomboid_Goatcabin for me it's not just when the movies take me out of it with moments such as the ones you mentioned, it's mainly this idea that all movies have to fit a particular template. Like talking of optimism, I don't think every film needs optimism, the world can be dark and complex. When I hear people say they 'don't like the main character because they are an asshole', like, I see where they are coming from, but I don't think the protagonist always has to be someone we like or relate to, arseholes are people too and perceive life from their own perspective. I am a big fan of I'm Alan Partridge for example, that would be a completely different show if the main character wasn't an arsehole
I enjoyed it in cinema, but have never returned to this alien film. I don’t enjoy how much influence David has on the alien’s backstory. Something about them being created by an android and not some kind ancient life form ruins it for me.
The flute scene is *Insert Absolute Cinema-meme*
They raised Shaw's stock as a character in the previous movie by treating her like Newt and Hicks off-screen
"Can't wait to catch up with our favourite new character, Elisabeth Shaw" - oh no... 🤭
I laughed so hard at that! Love Nath 🤣🤣🤣
I really thought a sequel to Prometheus, with Elizabeth Shaw carrying David's head around in a bag and visiting the engineer homeworld, would have been much more interesting than this.
Covenant takes too much from other long running Horror series - where the monster becomes the main character and everyone else is there to be killed in entertaining ways - only this time with the secondary villain from the first film (the Android - Ash / David) swapped into the primary villain role.
The bleakness / unlikeable cast of soon to be victims started with Alien 3, and the series never recovered.
But there are still some things in this I find interesting (like Rob says, that the Androids hate its own creators so much it creates the perfect organism to destroy us - there's something there that could be explored in a more interesting film).
I'm totally with naths view on this film
Alien 3 had a big religious theme as well, so Covenant is definitely not the first time faith has been introduced as an element in the Alien franchise.
Really looking forward to redshirt’s thoughts on Romulus
So we now know not to get into a Taxi with Rob and not to be left alone with him in a remote place either.
I like visuals, same as previous movie, but that's it.
Who is Matthew Castle?
So I'm not a fan of Alien Covenant, I think it's incredibly flawed, but I don't get this attitude that a film can only be good if it has optimism and hope, especially a film that is from a franchise I always saw as more horror than sci-fi. I never compared Alien to Star Trek for example, if there was a Star Trek show or film that lacked hope and optimism I certainly would be disappointed because that's a central tenet to the Star Trek universe. But hope and optimism are not things I've ever associated with the Alien franchise, if anything I think they would take something away from the Alien films. It's nice to have a little bit of that, a ray of hope, but too much hope and optimism would completely ruin it.
Have to agree here. It’s a weird attitude that there has to be some kind of optimism. It’s one step away from the awful Hollywood idea of having to have a “happy ending” or the good guy having to win, regardless of how ridiculous it is. A prime example of which, for me was collateral 2004. Not an amazing movie, but one I really enjoyed and I thought Tom cruise was great as the assassin. The fact that that Jamie foxx’s cab driver character somehow manages to best a professional hitman who’s been expertly dealing with sh*t throughout the whole film, is just ludicrous and ruins the whole film.
@DrRhomboid_Goatcabin for me it's not just when the movies take me out of it with moments such as the ones you mentioned, it's mainly this idea that all movies have to fit a particular template. Like talking of optimism, I don't think every film needs optimism, the world can be dark and complex. When I hear people say they 'don't like the main character because they are an asshole', like, I see where they are coming from, but I don't think the protagonist always has to be someone we like or relate to, arseholes are people too and perceive life from their own perspective. I am a big fan of I'm Alan Partridge for example, that would be a completely different show if the main character wasn't an arsehole
I enjoyed it in cinema, but have never returned to this alien film. I don’t enjoy how much influence David has on the alien’s backstory. Something about them being created by an android and not some kind ancient life form ruins it for me.
I very much agree.
Did you all forget to do a synopsis? This film really must have messed you all up. 😉
They did. At 4:30
@mikey123456789012 oh, if I missed it, then nevermind