The "Kevin Conroy supported the game so it's okay" is such a wild argument. What makes people believe he "supported" the story anyway? Because he didn't say anything bad about it out loud? That would be a terrible PR move on his part. Voice actors - people with livehood dependant on these kind of projects - can't just go around and publically trash the projects without any negative concequences. That would make them unemployable. Ffs, use brains, people.
The Justice League died in very unceremonious ways. Batman’s death especially doesn’t hit the cord because it doesn’t look or feel a group of villains coming together to kill a brainwashed Batman, it felt more like a gang of street punks coldly killing a homeless man.
The fact they disposed of Arkham Batman so heartlessly but never realized how much this would piss people off shows how out of touch Rocksteady and DC are.
@@coolman229 Yeah they should at least in a visual standpoint make Batman more intimidating as an opponent but yet all they relied on was the fear toxin. they should have given him certain moves depending on the character you control he would have a counter.
This whole game was just bad like all the woke garbage the fact that they want to sit there and essentially ruin Arkham Batman and disrespect Kevin Conroy's Batman as well but like yeah like they just make him absolutely stupid they want to sit there and pander so they're like oh hey how do we do that let's make another black Deadshot like they date with the first suicide squad movie even though canonically he's always been white and in since they want to try to claim it's in the Arkham verse which by the way this game is not in the Arkham versus it goes against the fucking canon anyways Batman had already confirmed the Deadshot we got in Arkham City is the real Deadshot they even basically have it confirmed by their own game lore in conversations between Lex luthor the only person from a different universe from a different Earth when it comes to the multiverse bullshit they wanted to put in here and people try to claim that you know those were different versions of the Justice League like no it's thoroughly confirmed that that was our flash that all those people were are Justice League members and the only person who is from a different Earth is the second Lex luthor that you get from Earth to and that's it every other person in this game is from Earth one which is the one that you are normally on except for the short time that you go to Earth to and end up with or helping you out from Earth to anyways sorry for the long weird comment but yeah I have a lot of disdain for this game I'm also using voice text so yeah but anyways conversation between the only other person from a different Earth Lex luthor and then the fake Deadshot the black one they confirmed that the other Deadshot has already been confirmed to be in this universe before any bullshit multiverse crap was going on since everybody wants to always include multiverse stop even though it's way overused anyways they confirmed that he's from Earth 1 and they even go as far as to make it so stupid that they somehow have the same fingerprints as well as this is where it gets really dumb I can understand possibly having the same fingerprints having the same identity and everything but the fact that they are different skin tones and they somehow have the same DNA like what make that shit make sense anyways so they confirm that he's not from a different Earth all that crap which is really stupid and goes against their whole like trying to claim that the black Deadshot is the real Deadshot does proving even further that he's the actual fake one. They even have the fake Deadshot being racist to Green Lantern because I kid you not in the bio of Green Lantern because for some reason they have the fake Deadshot having beef with Green Lantern even though he's not his villain but anyways and I quote here he literally says this "oh one of the good ones" about Green Lantern who as we know is in this game the John Stewart version who is the second Green Lantern the only black Green Lantern as far as I'm aware personally my favorite Green Lantern with how his character is and backstory I mean don't get me wrong I love how Jordan I don't really see why people hate on Kyle Gardner so much but anyways you know John Stewart is my personal favorite I'd say probably mainly because of Justice League and then Justice League ultimate the TV series anyways and they just have the fake Deadshot make this so fucking obvious racist comment toward and we're also clearly calling him and Uncle Tom and essentially calling him a fucking race traitor. They go as far as to like have Wonder Woman Go the whole fucking woke feminazi crap like yes Wonder Woman in the TV series I just mentioned both of them had some feminist ideologies about her as well as hawkgirl did and every other female character when it came to the superhero series that we grew up with back then but they did that shit fucking right back then they didn't make it overbearing they didn't make it their whole stick they didn't fucking throw it in your face they didn't make the whole point of the message and what not with these characters and shit no and they didn't do it to the point to where it was toxic feminazi bullshit but the last you know that's not but alas that's not what they did here they want to sit here and have toxic masculinity mentioned in her bio and for some reason her bio is made by fucking Lex luthor who has respect for her for whatever fucking reason and just yeah nothing in this game makes sense at all in the slightest degree. Also I just want to mention and again sorry for the long ass fucking call me here I just really have such fucking absolute hatred of this game with how disrespectful it is to everything I've mentioned up above but yeah how the fuck do you make Brainiac look like Lord Voldemort like are you shiting me I don't know why nobody's pointing that out but I've noticed it when I first saw Brainiac and I was like hold up wait a minute I had to go look it up and I'm like wait a minute why the fuck does he look like Lord Voldemort I can't be right about that I sure enough I pulled that shit up and fucking side by side comparison yeah Brainiac looks like Lord fucking Voldemort and it's like why you could have made Brainiac actually look good every other version I've seen a brainiac when it comes to video games like Injustice Brainiac would have been a much better designan actual good design any other version of Brainiac from the TV series and stuff like that comic books for fuck sakes hell even if they had made the old classic kind of you know design that would have been fine from the comic books like one of his first iterations that would have been so much better when that design looks so much better from fucking hell of years ago that is pathetic and also last thing I just want to mention how fucking Amanda Waller for some reason looks like Cere from fucking Star Wars The last Jedi like 100% basically to a t lmao she looked like her and it's also pathetic like damn you had so many good options there hell even the shit ass first suicide squad movie nailed making Amanda Waller properly even though that movie flopped in was horrible like the actress they picked for her actually look like Amanda Waller and how she looks from like the two TV shows I mentioned above as well as in the Batman series and Batman beyond not to mention she basically had the same personality and what not and was pretty ruthless in the same way that Amanda Waller is in the TV shows that she's been a part of like this entire game is just absolute fucking dog shit nothing you do to the story that they had for it could fix it it's plot is absolute fucking just gone even if you gave it the option for them to save the Justice League everything else about the plot line is fucking garbage you would have to start this shit from absolute scratch I mean even just with the in general idea basis of them choosing these people as the members for the suicide squad being the people who are going to kill the Justice League or save them if that's going to be part of the game like really these people the least likely out of all of the characters in the DC villains roster to ever take down any member of the Justice League not just like the main cast of the Justice League but like I mean even some of the lower members of the Justice League like really they wouldn't even be able to take down the question come the fuck on and for those of you who don't know who the question is he basically has no powers is kind of like Batman except without all the gadgets and shit and he doesn't show his face like he looks like he has no face if I remember correctly he actually does have one but like he's pretty much the conspiracy theory of the Justice League and he's actually write a lot of the times he's actually the one who blows the whole fucking lid on shit going on with like Lex luthor and stuff like that and all this crap in the Justice League series I think it's actually unlimited that this happens in but still in my bed if I've actually messed that up earlier saying it's Justice League ultimate it's unlimited but yeah like I said really have such hatred for this game
"It's called kill the Justice League what did you expect?" I hate that defense because who on earth would want to play that? A game where you play as a bunch of d listers and an annoying ass Harley Quinn where you kill some of the greatest heroes in all of fiction. Imagine if BTAS ended and they made a suicide squad show instead of Superman the animated series where they kill the JL who formed off screen. EDIT: I forgot about Lois mourning Wonder Woman more than Superman
The title they chose justifying the story and forcing their hand is such a laughable argument. "We called it this so we can't do anything but that!" lmao like are we going to pretend that subverting expectations isn't a thing or that they could have just not even given the game a subtitle? If it was just called Suicide Squad or The Suicide Squad vs The Justice League then bam you are no longer forced by the cosmic forces of the universe to kill the Justice League.
49:50 This part makes me actually kind of mad they will steal frames from an old game and say its pay8ng respects, but then they do the most disrespectful thing possible with batman. Also they took injustice 2 Harley and put her in place of suicide squad harley
Gosh I'd say even Injustice Harley isn't THIS bad. Especially from the comics. I even used some pages of Injustice Harley in this video where she has much more nuanced and better characterization than anything in this game.
The people running these companies hold no respect for what they make and resent that they are just stewards for characters made decades before any of them were born. They want to make things THEIR way but they don't realize that they have no talent or storytelling abilities so everything they make is garbage and people won't easily turn on the heroes they've loved since childhood.
I think this may be my favorite review of this game. You nailed everything from calling out the shills defending this crap, picking apart the stupidity of the premise, blatant retcons, character assassination (or shilling in Wonder Woman's case) and complete and utter disrespect to the legacy of the best Superhero game franchise of all time. Sorry Insomniac. I'd figured I'd list some more issues I had with this game's abysmal writing. 1) I LOATHE Boomerang in this game. His stupid pissing contest with the Flash is just obnoxious and I wanted Waller to threaten to blow his head off if he didn't knock it off. I'm reminded of a scene from Marvel Zombies the comic. It's when Nick Fury has assembled all the remaining superpowered beings that haven't been turned into zombies on the Helicarrier. Including supervillains. When US Agent asks who let Magneto in, *Wolverine*, the guy who's fought Magneto for years, tells him to shove it since Magneto had saved the X-Men from a zombified Alpha Flight prior and given the situation at hand, they can't be picky about their allies. Something like that should have happened in this game where someone tells boomerang to get over it since the situation is dire enough to not be made worse by his antics. 2) Speaking of characters I hate, I CANNOT stand Tara Strong as Harley Quinn anymore. Her need to make her Harley voice progressively squeakier and more high pitched has made her literal nails on a chalkboard. Also, I don't know what it is, but something about her face model in this game just makes her look obnoxious. Call me petty, but I hate her stupid face. 3) They could have written it so that the Power Ring runs out of juice after King Shark destroys Brainiac's shield. Remember, those things need to be recharged on a daily basis, and no one knows where Jon stored his lantern. So you could have easily justified why the Squad doesn't keep on to such a story breaker power like that instead of having the ring make King Shark crazy for no discernable reason. 4) WORST. BRAINIAC. EVER. Seriously, this guy is supposed to be an intergalactic invader who has conquered untold number of worlds across the multiverse... and STILL loses to 3 people and a shark with guns? He looks terrible, his writing his terrible, his boss fights are pathetic, and his plan makes no sense. If this guy has access to multiverse technology and his whole goal is to restore his home planet, then why doesn't he go to a universe where Colu is still a thing? The only reason he brainwashed the League was because Superman was stupider than him. Which leads to... 5) WORST. LEAGUE. EVER. With the exception of Batman and Wonder Woman, this Justice League has to be the most underwhelming seen in recent years. There's only 5 instead of the usual 7, and 3 of those 5 are grossly mischaracterized. Superman is an idiot, Jon Stewart acts more like Hal Jordan, and Barry Allen doesn't act a thing like Barry Allen. In fact, he actually kind of annoyed me with his shtick. Going back to Superman, even Clark from My Adventures with Superman, the sweetest cinnamon roll version of the character to date, would look at Brainiac's Skull Ship and figure this guy was bad news. 6) Hard agree with on the Clark/Kal thing. In fact, I think Bruce is the ONLY League member that refers to Superman as Clark. Now Diana I can understand to an extent, but Jon and Barry calling him Kal? Come on! 7) In regards to Kevin Conroy, apparently he was always gung-ho about playing Evil Batmen, hence him accepting the role here and in the CW special. And you can tell he was having fun with the role in both those instances, and this game's release was just unfortunate timing. 8) Hearing how much this game is flopping is giving me the biggest case of schadenfreude ever. A game this bad does not deserve to make any money. Not to mention, James Gunn has said he wants there to be more games set in this universe. HOW?! You literally killed every reason to make more games in this universe. And if they bring them back, who cares? The damage has been done. 9) Speaking as someone who has been on the receiving end of something like this, to whoever wrote that Harley grab-ass joke, go f*ck yourself.
Harley and Iveys so called relationship is already a key factor that tells us this is a alternate universe that may share some key factors as the Arkham Universe but most definitely in my opinion is not the original Arkham Universe.
I still laugh at 0:50. For those who don't know, revolvers don't eject the cartridges. But, there's apparently a sound effect of a cartridge bouncing off the ground...
The reason they do facial scans is because it's technically easier. You don't have to manually sit down and build the mesh and then layer on textures, and then sculpt, and then animate. You just take the renders you get and clean it up for lighting. Also find it really amusing that there are people saying, "Just wait, they're all clones, the REAL Justice League will be brought back at the end!" like anyone is going to want to sit through several seasons of the same level of storytelling and the repetitive gameplay in the HOPES of a retcon that makes the base line of the story completely irrelevant.
It would lessen the load on the devs to make games that look more stylize and all the time they would save meticulously making models that show every tiny detail of an apple could be spent making distinct looking characters. The pursuit of hyper realism has stunted games and bloated budgets into the hundreds of millions for no benefit. And yeah even if they intended to bring the ones you killed back Wonder Woman is still dead and really is the game even going to make it that long? This is not the kind of twist you wait over a year to reveal. Even if they intended to bring them back what's even the point? The game still treated them like trash and the only one the game was desperate to glaze wouldn't have the chance to have a clone made of her. There's no way, even if they intend to bring them back, that this will either make the game better or make anyone want to come back.
I actually hate how they prop up Wonder Woman but then absolutely shit on Flash. You care about the woman who was a dick to you the entire time, was straight up racist to King Shark and locked you all in a storage container but the guy who straight up risked his life for you gets mocked? Also, it’s hilarious that Lex glazes Wonder Woman saying how she ‘solved toxic masculinity’ well yeah, they did, by throwing male Amazonians into the sea to drown as babies until a literal fucking Greek Titan stepped in who saved them from that to work as blacksmiths.
Brainiac has brainwashed the league before in other continuities. Same with other villains in DC brainwashing the heroes from time to time. And yet the league was able to be freed. The DCAU alone has examples in several of their shows across the board (more than once from Brainiac too) and they were able to be freed from it. This was changed just to force they had to die. These writers have nothing but contempt for these heroes and especially the Arkhamverse. Also wtf is with the hateboner for John especially, he’s like one of the most beloved Lanterns??? Imagine crapping all over an authentic black hero representation to prop up the white character villain you race swapped. Idk……….I know you won’t get into it but I will. REEKS of racism. Barry isn’t my favorite Flash (but he’s still awesome) but wtf is up with the disrespect? The guy is the reason these scummy, unfunny knuckleheads are alive. Good lord Batman………..there isn’t enough hours in the day to rant about how they destroyed him. But at least it bombed hard. May these dumb companies someday learn the lesson to stop hiring hacks who hate their IPs. Great video coolman, I know you’ve been working really hard on it. It was fantastic.
Joker: “The death of Batman must me nothing more than a MASTERPIECE! The triumph of my sheer genius over his REDICULOUS MASK AND GADGETS!!!” Harley: “Why don't you just shoot em?”
Truly an amazing video. You go into a lot more detail and bring up things that I never knew about the Arkham games. I really need to go back and play all of them.
To this day im still wiling to put money on the idea that Gotham Knights was suppoused to be the Arkhamverse game and sequel to arkham knight.A LOT about it just fits with how the characters and story plays out. In particalr the Harley there actually feels like a natural progression of Arkham harley's character becoming a fully sadistic and cruel villain in her own right. The joker is mentioned but never shown in the game for like....NO reason. Batman is meant to be bead and yet he's not on a rampage? Harley fro some reason in that game and joker split up. that's never really explained. Clayface acts like a crazier version of his Arkham City self. the list goes on. They probibly planned to make it the arkhamverse game and suicide squad was poribbly oriignally supoused to be based on the MOVIES version of the characters. But due to how they saw Avengers crash and burn. They tried to salvage gotham knights as best they could by ripping out all the live service stuff. But they KNEW it was bad. So they remvoed all teh arkham verse refrences possible and changed things in the delay. And gave it over to suicide squad. WHich if you really think about it. is trying WAY too hard to tell you it's Arkhamverse. LIke all the refrences and explinations given for deadshot alone feel really forced and kinda stupid and shoehorned in. This was probibly meant to be it's own universe. But they slapped the Arkhamverse seting onto it to try to make it sell better.
I agree. I feel like WB Montreal was going to make a game following up Arkham Knight with Bruce gone so you'd have Dick, Jason, and Tim (and maybe Helena cause she got numerous references in City and Knight) having to deal with a post Batman Gotham. In fact this feels like a natural continuation for Jason who... frankly didn't have anything going on in Knight but it ended with him being Red Hood so a story where he has to deal with Bruce suddenly being gone makes sense. Heck even Talia coming back and being a major character in the story makes sense cause of course she could come back by taking a dip in a Lazarus Pit. And the set up that Harley was working with Bruce secretly feels like it could have been something done after Harley had developed post Knight. But then they had to hastily change everything to make it something completely different. So any backstory for why Bruce was gone was erased and they had to scrap together something. Barbara was suddenly back as Batgirl likely due to executive decisions to match the comics, and the entire story felt like it was slapped together in a big hurry. I wish WB Montreal got to actually make a genuine continuation of Knight but DC and WB love making terrible decisions.
@@coolman229 Agreed to all you have said. Just Everything about gotham knigths. From the way it plays and even looks? Screams that it was meant to be arkhamverse. But live service. But after avengerrs disaster they took the universe off of it and made it it's own thing possibly to not have as bad backlash. Or more likley. They did it to try to salvage suicide squad's chances. You can kinda feel this may of been meant to be the arkhamverse game as Suicide squads story is pretty messy as a lot of things just don't match up with the ending of Arkham knight or the characters. But when they saw how bad avengerrs did andhow GK didn't have a chance to be sucessful? They disconneced it from the Arkham verse and gave it to suicide squad to hopefuly make it sell better. Hence the delays. To add in the Arkhamverse links. Plus? Think about this Ra's al ghul ambshes Bruce in the batcave in gotham knights intro. But like. HOW? How on earth did even HE manage to get thedrop on Bruce like that?Well. What if Bruce thought he was dead? Season of imfamyDLC has the league of shadows side questline where bruce can decide to let Ra's get the lasraus pit again, which he was so terrifed of, due to how he was losing his mind and becoming twisted. or Denying him that. Given arkham city, it's pretty clear most players would of simply not given Ra's the Lazarus pit. Bruce wasn't really kiling him. Just letting him not deveolve into the monster we saw in city. Ra's would thank him It feels...Morel ike a mercy Batman would give. So batman would naturally make that choice So Ra's is dead for good now Right? Bruce owuldn't have his defences up to keep Ra's out of the batcave. So if Ra's suddenly showed up and attacked him...Batman WOULDN'T BE READY for that And talia being alive but twisted? Well given she wasn't back in arkham knight.Of course Bruce wouldnt' expect her eitherThis means the story of gotham knights has a lot of logic to it IF IT'S ARKHAMVERSE. Plus Batman is dead...ANd the joker is not losing his mind over that and burning gotham to the ground? WHere the is the joker? WHy is Harley now a saditic and cruel villain on her own?That maeks no sense...Unless Joker is already dead and Harley is on her own still fueled by rage and a desire for vengenge on the bat family ANd Arkham harley becoming a more vicous and cruel villain on her own well...That would make a LOT of sense for her. I can go on and on about this. But it is painfully clear that something went very, very wrong behind the scenes for both of these games. But Suicide squad got it worse. There is not a snowballs chance in heeck this was desgined to be arkhamverse from the ground up. But that i can get into if you are curious.
Honestly I don't even think the whole battle with Ra's and Bruce was supposed to be there in the first place. I think the set up was simply "Bruce is gone" and leave it at that after Knight. But when this was made into a totally separate thing they had to throw together a way for Bruce to not be there so they threw in the battle with Ra's which is why it feels so out of nowhere.
What they did to Batman feels personal man, it's like they hated him from the core of their heart. They were like "Lo behold we spit on your childhood memories and your hero".
I like suicide squad (2016) but I would be the first to say it’s a bad movie. This game is the definition of disrespectful to timeless characters. If they can’t change the characters how they want they ruin it for everyone so no one in the future wants them. 🤮 This is why I hate woke politics and the fools who argue over nonsense. 🤦♂️
My main problem with KTJL is that they actively assassinate the characters that have their stories built up through previous games. This doesn’t include just Batman, from Harley to Deadshot they just pissed on what was already built up.
What I find annoying was GodzillaMendoza's argument that the story isn't "That bad," because it's been confirmed, or it's obvious that the real Justice League is still alive and we've been killing clones in the game. I don't know if that's been confirmed, and I'm pretty sure it isn't, but that isn't in the game and probably will never be in the game. But, even still, Wonder Woman is clearly dead, and Batman's death was certainly framed pretty hard as being real. My personal theory is that the League us going to be brought back with multiverse shenanigans. My pet peeve is that, well, the mission is pointless. Brainiac can clone himself and get multiverse variants forever. The arbitrary number of Brainiacs you have to kill is just silly and, well, arbitrary. There's so much to criticise about this game, from the mechanics to the story.
Yeah I made a point in this video that it doesn't matter if they bring them back cause it doesn't really fix anything. They still went out of their way to disrespect the heroes and kill them. None of the characters in the game would ever think they were clones and that shows how they would treat these heroes regardless. And like you mentioned Wonder Woman is dead so she's gone unless they pull another WW from the multiverse. It's a complete mess and nothing in it works.
@@coolman229 I agree with you. I just thought I should thank you for responding and confess that I only watched 10-15 minutes of this video initially because I didn't have the time to commit to the full thing, but you're gonna be keeping me company during my night shift tonight. (I work as a janitor/maintenance guy, if you're curious.)
Wow this game was more of a mess than I thought. I honestly don't like how it seems like they had to jump through so many hoops to justify killing everyone in the League. Even if the title says it, that doesn't mean it has to be that way. It can be a bait and switch thing. You go in expecting to kill the League, but the narrative can shift to where you have the opportunity to SAVE THEM. And the brainwashing not having a cure seems dumb to me. This is the world of comic books, almost anything that seems impossible can be possible. Wonder Woman being the only one who isn't spat on annoys me too. Like, did they make that decision because they thought it would look bad if they trashed her in any way since she's a strong female character? I love WW but I also love everyone else in the JL too. They are good people, why do we have to let only WW be the outlier? Also, Clark being constantly referred to as Kal-El is sooooo weird to my ears. Like you said, it's like if Goku's close friends outside of Vegeta started calling him Kakarot. It does not vibe guys, stop calling him that. Also, I might have missed it if you explained, but were the guns to kill Superman infused with anything that could kill him? Or just straight up bullets? Because when I saw that the SS's method to kill the JL consisted of just straight up shooting them--including Clark--I was just like....dafuq??? Overall, based on the inconsistencies you pointed out with other Arkham games, they should have just made this a standalone game outside of the universe. It wouldn't have fixed all the problems the story had, but at least we could remove it from previous Batman games that...y'know...HAVE BATMAN AS THE MAIN CHARACTER. Nice video, Coolman! Can't wait to see more from you!
Thanks! Basically they used the yellow Kryptonite to weaken Superman which is what regular Kryptonite is supposed to do and that lets them hurt him. But they still shoot him and it's not like they shoot him with Kryptonite bullets which HAS hurt him in the comics. Bloodsport, a character I referenced from the comics that should have been in this, did that very thing to Superman. But it really amounts to "We need anti-[Insert Hero Here] stuff so we can shoot them" for all of them. Anti Speed Force tech for Flash, Yellow Lanterns for Green Lantern, and Yellow Kryptonite for Superman. And then they shoot them a bunch. It's so dull and uncreative. It really should have just been its own thing not connected to a previous game so at least the awful crap in it would be self contained.
@@coolman229 Gold Kryptonite has a delayed effect on kryptonians (destroying the parts of their cells that actually turns yellow solar light into energy for their superhuman abilities), but yeah it's still stupid they went this route.
The Rogues will commit crimes and do bad things BUT they respect Flash. Them inviting him to one of their retirement parties is just so hilarious to me they will fight him on the regular but hey he's still invited to the party.
Strangely, I did like King Shark x Killer Frost thing. Despite the weirdness, it was well developed, and I kind of felt bad when King Shark died. Not only King Shark's existence in this game is inconsistent, since he's meant to be dead, but also I'm outraged the game didn't use the same design from the Assault on Arkham movie, that was my favorite King Shark's design. :,(
Superman's costume in this game isn't bad, i just wish it was in a better game/show Edit: i don't care what braniac did to superman, kryptonite on his chest will kill him through blood poisoning
Superman is not immune to his heart being pierced! He still has blood pumping through it! If his heart stops he still dies. The lengths this game goes through to ignore the events it literally shows you is insane.
@@coolman229 the superman bio from lex is pissing me off. First of all: Krypton was exploding at the core *nothing you can do will stop that!* Second: Jor-El in superman the animated series had a plan, use the phantom zone projector to store them all in with a letter explaining what was going on with the projector in the pod (with instructions on how to use it), but Braniac (a much better version mind you) was pretty much fillerbustering & roadblocking Jor-El at every turn, saving his son was all he could do in the end.
While I understand, Superman is the ONE hero I will accept Lex being the biggest dick to. Superman is HIS nemesis and he is Superman's number 1 hater. He can lie through his teeth to bash Superman and I think that's in character. The others I'm not so charitable on, especially his takes on Batman and Wonder Woman.
I love how wonder woman is the only JL member of the game that gets a respectful death while all the male JL members get disrespectful deaths since shes so HAPPENS to be the only female JL member and they intentionally write in her chat bio how lex luthor of all people is D-Riding Wonder woman by saying how she solves society's problems like toxic masculinity all while john stewart gets treated like a nobody in his bio and robin gets killed off screen even though he doesn't even appear in the game at all and already never had the best screentime in the Arkham games since every time robin talks to Batman Batman tells him to piss off and how he'll handle everything himself which made me wonder why he even trained tim to be robin in the first place if he's just gonna keep doing that and surprise surprise wonder woman gets this kind of simping and she also happens to be the one character in DC comics lore who everybody knows comes from a land dominated by women who hate men where men are not allowed that being themyscira, I guess we now know that there's feminists that work at rocksteady since clearly feminists/misandrists havent attacked all men enough already 🤦
They easily could have picked a better and more loved team like say......THE TITANS You could have the Justice League brainwashed, and Nightwing and the Titans are working to save them and the world. Done. Easy money.
Debra Wilson can pull off a good Waller performance, she voiced her on The Batman Telltale Series and was great there. The problem here was definitely the direction and not her talents
This game is really making me respect the Hellboy Web of Wyrd game, because even though it wasn't perfect and a bit repetitive, atleast it has love for the source material. But this game's story is so awful and what I have seen of it the gameplay doesn't look good either. Developers, stop making looter shooters, these games were getting old by the time Anthem released.
But making games people want is hard :( It's easier to pump in unnecessary amounts of money into a project that has no potential hoping it will magically print money.
That image with the concept art of WB Sushi Squad just... makes me sad. All those notes on the design are 100% correct and should always be the design philosophy of everything...sadly that's not fit into modern ideology anymore. Also when you mentioned the false pregnancyof Harley I got reminded again that we got robbed of Pauls storyline after they refused to get him back....
WB Montreal was COOKING with their Suicide Squad game idea. The notes they had floored me with how much they just understood the assignment but they were denied. And I'm still baffled at Rocksteady kicking Paul Dini out for Knight when he was really the one holding their stories together considering how bad Knight turned out. So many plotlines were either completely dropped the second they got rid of Paul (even going back to the Harley's Revenge DLC which did not have Paul Dini credited with any writing) or giving it barely a half hearted shrug in Knight. Hush was left to be a complete waste and nothing that was set up in City meant anything in Knight. Azrael was barely relevant as a side quest and even Scarecrow plays like 3rd fiddle to Joker somehow being made the entire focus of the game.
@@coolman229 Something I see less talked about that always confused me was that City established that the Lazarus pit exists in the Arkhamverse, yet Knight did everything in it's power to make a Jason that's "oc donut steel" and completely change his origin as Red Hood. The Knight version just makes way less sense but frankly that's 90% of Knight. Your mentions of the dropped Paul sidequest plotlines are onpoint, I'll even through in that Scarecrow is just a completely different character and not even remotely the same as he was on Asylum. The hints in City also suggested that while he was planning his return, it was never a military takeover and seemed more like he was planning something from the shadows (The boat, the dead Scarecrow goons during Protocol 10, hints that certain parts and areas of the game were never real etc)
Knight is also really weird about Lazarus Pits cause City heavily implies that they're pretty numerous like they are in basically every continuity (Batman commenting on Ra's just needing a dip in a Lazarus Pit when he got impaled makes it seem like this is a regular thing for him) but then Knight seems to act like the one in City was the ONLY one. Talia was never brought back... for some reason (though they tease her maybe coming back in the DLC????). Even Harley's Revenge went hard on Talia not coming back even though I didn't feel anything when she got shot by Joker since... you know Lazarus Pits. I was incredibly confused that they treated Talia being shot in the back as her being dead for reals when she's one of the few characters who could easily come back. Ra's was also treated as being on his last legs in Knight despite City having him be mostly fine just a little crazy after taking a dip in the Lazarus Pit. It genuinely feels like Rocksteady did NOT like anything Paul Dini was doing and they didn't like the Lazarus Pits. Add in the fact that they completely changed Jason's story just for the sake of it and removing any connection he had to the League of Assassins and he's basically a different character entirely. They even had to BS Jason being alive and Bruce just assuming he died and never looked for him instead of him ACTUALLY being dead and Bruce directly confirming it before moving on. The comic and the Under the Red Hood movie versions make sure to show Batman found Jason and confirmed he died, but Arkham Batman just got a video and went "Welp he's dead better get a new Robin" which is nonsensical. Not to mention how I got the impression Tim had been a pretty new Robin in City but then Knight goes "Actually he's been the Robin since before Barbara was crippled also please accept we forced them into a romance despite saying Tim was a student in City implying he's in high school guys he's definitely not significantly younger than Barbara please-". The Robin in the Batgirl DLC SHOULD have been either Dick or Jason, and I think Jason needed it more since he has NOTHING and to make matters worse he doesn't even interact with Dick or Tim. His predecessor who is like his older brother and his replacement have nothing to do with the Jason story in Knight and it's baffling. Jason is such a nothing character in Knight that it baffles me why they even wanted to include him in the first place. And yeah I absolutely agree on Scarecrow. He's a completely different character. Not even just the voice, which I hate. I have nothing against John Noble but whenever Scarecrow said anything in Knight all I could think of was Denethor son of Ecthelion, Steward of Gondor. Scarecrow acted nothing like he did before, sounded nothing like he did before, and seemed to have a full blown personality transplant. There was no hint at him using a military, and if he had enough Fear Toxin to cover Gotham then he wouldn't need it. He could use everyone's fears against them which is more Scarecrow. The fact that Scarecrow was less important than Jason and Joker in the game that was SUPPOSED to be his big moment just shows Rocksteady didn't care about what Paul Dini was setting up.
Honeslty. This game has a lot of problems. To go along with what the video has said. The boss figths have interesting ideas but just feel plain stupid given how every preivous scene sets up how easily each hero can overpower the squad. The story is fine for the most part if a bit dumb, and the gameplay is fun enouph, but repetative as there isn't anything to spice it up/change or improve it past what you get at the start. Even hhe skill trees feel a bit tacked on as they don't really change how you play. But if you ask me, most of the games issues stem from the decicion not to make this a live service, but a looter shooter. This was an incredibly bad decicion in my book for one reason. It made the game desgined around fighting the random enemies and minions. And NOT around the boss fights. And that's a huge issue. This games combat systems and mechanics are NOT desgined for boss fights at ALL. It's desgined for frantic, chaotic shoot outs. Not boss fights against super powered indiivduals. They can't create interesting mehanics or gameplay moments, beacuse the whole thing is desinged around guns and moving from place to place and shooting things. How would you make a boss fight against batman work? He's just a human being in a batsuit. He can't use his gadgets to disable our guns or we can't even fight. He can't sneak around and ambush us beacuse we have no means to counter that. He can't jump down and punch us, beacuse we have no melee combos or mechanics beyond the basic attack. This extends to the whole game. Looter shooters generally don't have very good boss fights outside of borderlands and this game proves why. Rather than building itslef around each characters unique gimmick and skll set, eveyone just shoots and gets around the city diffrently. THAT is a huge problem and explains why each boss fight feels so dumb. There is nothing they can acutally DO with this combat system. Functionally, let's think about this. How is anyone going to play any diffrent to deathstroke? Or Mr/Nora Freeze in future content? They move around the citty diffrently? What else? What is the point of new playable characters if they all play the same at the end of the day and don't have anything to truly make them unique comabt wise?
I wish this video was longer, I'm almost at the end, wnd i don't want it to be over Edit: Batman's death is in really bad taste because thomas and Martha wayne died by gunshot as well.
I would have rather have saved the Justice League as Flash or Wonder Woman as opposed to killing them as the suicide squad. Would have especially loved it if you could have played as Batman and the Batfamily and were trying to save the Justice League. Or heck have all of them be brainwashed and play as the Bat-family to try and save the Justice League! So many better things could have been done. I swear the people working on this game put little to no thought into this game. Except for Wonder Women. They adore her for whatever reason. It's hard to not think of it as man hating and woman worshipping, cause it's pretty on the nose if you ask me.
@@coolman229 I guess they're after something other then money rn? I mean I've heard they are getting money from other business so they don't seem to really care about customer money rn. Or people are really brain dead and will just buy anything that looks cool. 😅
This game feels like it was made in Bizarro World. A world where every wrong thing is good and bad decisions are considered the norm. However, that game ended up teleported to this world where such things are considered bad. I just can't fathom how anyone would look at all these decisions, for both story and gameplay, and give it the greenlight. I don't care what Rocksteady or WB say, this shit isn't canon to the Arkhamverse. Like you, I had my fair share of problems with Arkham Knight, but holy cow if Unalive Squad doesn't make Knight look like Return of the King in terms of writing. I don't know about you, but I have discovered a newfound appreciation for that game. In regards to Superman being made immune to kryptonite by Brainiac, the Legion of Super Heroes cartoon from 2006 did this SO much better. In that show, Brainiac created a clone of Superman called Superman X that was genetically tampered to be made immune to kryptonite. However, that show took place in the 31st century, where technology has advanced to the point where it would be plausible for Brainiac to make something like that. Not to mention, being immune to a radioactive rock isn't the same as being immune to having your heart punctured. Why is Captain Boomerang cutting off fingers a running joke at all in this game? He did it the one time by complete accident, but the game treats it like he's Larry Drake from Darkman, where he keeps a collection of severed fingers. Even if they do bring the League back, who cares? The damage has been done. No one's going to want to see anything else from this universe. P.S. Nice of you to call out DC's fatphobia in recent years. It's the same deal with Etta Candy from Wonder Woman. I'm not saying this as someone who doesn't even swing that way, I say this as someone who wants body diversity in media and that plus sized women exist. Also, God I wish Hynden Walch would be the new default Harley voice. She's legitimately great in the role. In conclusion, you want to see some GOOD recent DC media that features a Superman that isn't an idiot, an Amanda Waller who's competent and played by Debra Wilson, and a Brainiac that looks and acts cool? Watch My Adventures with Superman. Season 2 just came out and it's great so far.
You had me in the first half not gonna lie. There are problems with My Adventures with Superman that honestly can't be excused, but I agree with everything else you said.
Tara Strong wasn't that bad at first as Harley, in fact I quite enjoyed her in City, but she is so bad in this game, the direction is AWFUL for all the actors tbf. However yeah, Hynden Walch did so good as Harley in The Batman, I feel like she should be the defacto successor to Arleen Sorken, she's unironically the second best Harley Quinn actress period, and she was fantastic in Assault on Arkham. No one will ever replace Arleen, but Hynden just fits her better.
@roninwarriorsfan MAWS isn't perfect by any means (especially with what they do with some of the villains) but even with its problems it is still *light* *years* better than anything DC/WB have put out in recent years.
I feel like people weren't saying that until Sweet Baby Inc. made a big stink about it. You don't even really see people even mention the Ivy thing when, honestly, it probably should be pointed out more that Harley essentially flirted with a character that looks and acts like a pre-teen.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 People were definitely talking about that years before their exposure, it's just that the cat's out of the bag now for everyone to see.
I hate this game with every fibre of my being so I am so ENRAGED that you are forcing me to do this. Who would want to kill the Justice League? I don't know who would want to play a game where you commit theft, mass murder, terrorism and destruction oh wait, GTA, Saints Row 2, Assassins Creed Black Flag etc. People like playing the bad guy sometimes that isn't the issue, the issue is literally every single other part of the game from the smallest detail to the biggest mechanic suck. Also false advertising is a massive reason they can't go against the title because if you don't think someone would be willing to sue them over it your more delusional than the writers.
I guarantee you that if the game gave you the option to save the Justice League members instead of kill them not a single person would sue them over false advertising, especially if it blatantly gives you the option to kill them. This isn't like TLOU2 showing Joel with Ellie because they literally replaced another character with Joel to trick people.
So I'm only stopping this at like 8 minutes and 48 seconds because already I can say with what you're saying about the whole AI coming up with a better story it's like yeah the whole implementing of you know saving the Justice League instead or like you just mentioned in the video killing the ball gets you the bad ending basically like even with that it would still not work with the premise of who The suicide squad is the members of it being Harley Quinn the fake dead shot because the white one is the real one so you know they install obviously Arkham Batman so this isn't even our Batman from Arkham series since he's too stupid and all this other crap anyways outside of that they're going up against two other characters who they definitely could not kill which would be Superman and Green Lantern and since they couldn't even kill Batman how are they going to kill those two then eventually The Flash gets turned via their own stupidity and fucking around too much and also he saves them twice the second time being after their fucking around too much and essentially lead to his capture and eventually brainwashing by Brainiac which by the way on that note Brainiac alone in this game can immediately just stop this game from happening by like either killing The suicide squad from the get-go or immobilizing them the fact that he doesn't do that the entire game and allows them to destroy his shit and take down the members of the Justice League is fucking stupid and not something Brainiac would have ever done and even if he didn't directly do anything with them he would have had Batman kill them which he was stalking them from the fucking beginning of the game as well he would have had Green Lantern killed them especially since Green Lantern actually had them in his grasp literally just took them on a fucking tour and showing them what fucking Brainiac was doing and how he's just turning people and and setting up all these fucking devices and shit like what the hell Superman honestly could have killed them right out the fucking gate right off the bat oh even when the flash gets turned he proves that he could have easily killed them at any point in time he did it to Lex luthor he literally pulls out his fucking heart in front of them and then throws it at fucking Captain boomerang. So in conclusion even if we gave this game the option to save the Justice League and in that sense write a much better story with all of its woke garbage it's racist bullshit towards Green Lantern done and said in a bio by fucking Deadshot the black one the one who's actually fake since they want to try to claim this is in the Arkham first and well Arkham Batman isn't stupid and he would 100% know if the white Deadshot was a fake one or not he had already clarified that he was the real Deadshot so that's really stupid not to mention he wouldn't have allowed them to get any access to anything that would have been able to take down the fucking Justice League or even get access to the batcave yet alone the fucking Hall of Justice are you kidding me like oh my God the absolute brain dead fucking shit they came up with in this game is so stupid and horrendous it's not even funny they disrespected Kevin Conroy's Batman they disrespected the lore of every DC character in this game as well as things like the Green Lantern ring and how it functions as well as kryptonite with Superman and how it works not to mention certain other things then let's also not forget just the absolute disrespect of the people who made the company for them the only reason these people have fucking jobs in the first place and were even allowed the opportunity to work on a game that supposedly is in the Arkham verse is because the previous team that worked on all three of the Arkham Batman games that being asylum, City and, knight which were all fantastic games and honestly it's really sad and pathetic how Arkham Knight looks like 10 times better than suicide squad ever did when it came out like basically 10 years almost beforehand like it was basically 9 years but it's almost fucking 10 years that's really sad and pathetic anyways is just absolutely unequivocally fucking disrespectful to the people who made those games made that company what it is and is the only reason those incompetent people who are now at rocksteady even have jobs in the first place to work on a fucking video game and they're going to sit there and just tarnish the legacy of rocksteady by disrespecting the fucking franchise that made rocksteady so famous.
The "Kevin Conroy supported the game so it's okay" is such a wild argument. What makes people believe he "supported" the story anyway? Because he didn't say anything bad about it out loud? That would be a terrible PR move on his part. Voice actors - people with livehood dependant on these kind of projects - can't just go around and publically trash the projects without any negative concequences. That would make them unemployable. Ffs, use brains, people.
The Justice League died in very unceremonious ways. Batman’s death especially doesn’t hit the cord because it doesn’t look or feel a group of villains coming together to kill a brainwashed Batman, it felt more like a gang of street punks coldly killing a homeless man.
The fact they disposed of Arkham Batman so heartlessly but never realized how much this would piss people off shows how out of touch Rocksteady and DC are.
@@coolman229 Yeah they should at least in a visual standpoint make Batman more intimidating as an opponent but yet all they relied on was the fear toxin. they should have given him certain moves depending on the character you control he would have a counter.
This whole game was just bad like all the woke garbage the fact that they want to sit there and essentially ruin Arkham Batman and disrespect Kevin Conroy's Batman as well but like yeah like they just make him absolutely stupid they want to sit there and pander so they're like oh hey how do we do that let's make another black Deadshot like they date with the first suicide squad movie even though canonically he's always been white and in since they want to try to claim it's in the Arkham verse which by the way this game is not in the Arkham versus it goes against the fucking canon anyways Batman had already confirmed the Deadshot we got in Arkham City is the real Deadshot they even basically have it confirmed by their own game lore in conversations between Lex luthor the only person from a different universe from a different Earth when it comes to the multiverse bullshit they wanted to put in here and people try to claim that you know those were different versions of the Justice League like no it's thoroughly confirmed that that was our flash that all those people were are Justice League members and the only person who is from a different Earth is the second Lex luthor that you get from Earth to and that's it every other person in this game is from Earth one which is the one that you are normally on except for the short time that you go to Earth to and end up with or helping you out from Earth to anyways sorry for the long weird comment but yeah I have a lot of disdain for this game I'm also using voice text so yeah but anyways conversation between the only other person from a different Earth Lex luthor and then the fake Deadshot the black one they confirmed that the other Deadshot has already been confirmed to be in this universe before any bullshit multiverse crap was going on since everybody wants to always include multiverse stop even though it's way overused anyways they confirmed that he's from Earth 1 and they even go as far as to make it so stupid that they somehow have the same fingerprints as well as this is where it gets really dumb I can understand possibly having the same fingerprints having the same identity and everything but the fact that they are different skin tones and they somehow have the same DNA like what make that shit make sense anyways so they confirm that he's not from a different Earth all that crap which is really stupid and goes against their whole like trying to claim that the black Deadshot is the real Deadshot does proving even further that he's the actual fake one. They even have the fake Deadshot being racist to Green Lantern because I kid you not in the bio of Green Lantern because for some reason they have the fake Deadshot having beef with Green Lantern even though he's not his villain but anyways and I quote here he literally says this "oh one of the good ones" about Green Lantern who as we know is in this game the John Stewart version who is the second Green Lantern the only black Green Lantern as far as I'm aware personally my favorite Green Lantern with how his character is and backstory I mean don't get me wrong I love how Jordan I don't really see why people hate on Kyle Gardner so much but anyways you know John Stewart is my personal favorite I'd say probably mainly because of Justice League and then Justice League ultimate the TV series anyways and they just have the fake Deadshot make this so fucking obvious racist comment toward and we're also clearly calling him and Uncle Tom and essentially calling him a fucking race traitor. They go as far as to like have Wonder Woman Go the whole fucking woke feminazi crap like yes Wonder Woman in the TV series I just mentioned both of them had some feminist ideologies about her as well as hawkgirl did and every other female character when it came to the superhero series that we grew up with back then but they did that shit fucking right back then they didn't make it overbearing they didn't make it their whole stick they didn't fucking throw it in your face they didn't make the whole point of the message and what not with these characters and shit no and they didn't do it to the point to where it was toxic feminazi bullshit but the last you know that's not but alas that's not what they did here they want to sit here and have toxic masculinity mentioned in her bio and for some reason her bio is made by fucking Lex luthor who has respect for her for whatever fucking reason and just yeah nothing in this game makes sense at all in the slightest degree. Also I just want to mention and again sorry for the long ass fucking call me here I just really have such fucking absolute hatred of this game with how disrespectful it is to everything I've mentioned up above but yeah how the fuck do you make Brainiac look like Lord Voldemort like are you shiting me I don't know why nobody's pointing that out but I've noticed it when I first saw Brainiac and I was like hold up wait a minute I had to go look it up and I'm like wait a minute why the fuck does he look like Lord Voldemort I can't be right about that I sure enough I pulled that shit up and fucking side by side comparison yeah Brainiac looks like Lord fucking Voldemort and it's like why you could have made Brainiac actually look good every other version I've seen a brainiac when it comes to video games like Injustice Brainiac would have been a much better designan actual good design any other version of Brainiac from the TV series and stuff like that comic books for fuck sakes hell even if they had made the old classic kind of you know design that would have been fine from the comic books like one of his first iterations that would have been so much better when that design looks so much better from fucking hell of years ago that is pathetic and also last thing I just want to mention how fucking Amanda Waller for some reason looks like Cere from fucking Star Wars The last Jedi like 100% basically to a t lmao she looked like her and it's also pathetic like damn you had so many good options there hell even the shit ass first suicide squad movie nailed making Amanda Waller properly even though that movie flopped in was horrible like the actress they picked for her actually look like Amanda Waller and how she looks from like the two TV shows I mentioned above as well as in the Batman series and Batman beyond not to mention she basically had the same personality and what not and was pretty ruthless in the same way that Amanda Waller is in the TV shows that she's been a part of like this entire game is just absolute fucking dog shit nothing you do to the story that they had for it could fix it it's plot is absolute fucking just gone even if you gave it the option for them to save the Justice League everything else about the plot line is fucking garbage you would have to start this shit from absolute scratch I mean even just with the in general idea basis of them choosing these people as the members for the suicide squad being the people who are going to kill the Justice League or save them if that's going to be part of the game like really these people the least likely out of all of the characters in the DC villains roster to ever take down any member of the Justice League not just like the main cast of the Justice League but like I mean even some of the lower members of the Justice League like really they wouldn't even be able to take down the question come the fuck on and for those of you who don't know who the question is he basically has no powers is kind of like Batman except without all the gadgets and shit and he doesn't show his face like he looks like he has no face if I remember correctly he actually does have one but like he's pretty much the conspiracy theory of the Justice League and he's actually write a lot of the times he's actually the one who blows the whole fucking lid on shit going on with like Lex luthor and stuff like that and all this crap in the Justice League series I think it's actually unlimited that this happens in but still in my bed if I've actually messed that up earlier saying it's Justice League ultimate it's unlimited but yeah like I said really have such hatred for this game
"It's called kill the Justice League what did you expect?"
I hate that defense because who on earth would want to play that? A game where you play as a bunch of d listers and an annoying ass Harley Quinn where you kill some of the greatest heroes in all of fiction.
Imagine if BTAS ended and they made a suicide squad show instead of Superman the animated series where they kill the JL who formed off screen.
EDIT: I forgot about Lois mourning Wonder Woman more than Superman
The title they chose justifying the story and forcing their hand is such a laughable argument. "We called it this so we can't do anything but that!" lmao like are we going to pretend that subverting expectations isn't a thing or that they could have just not even given the game a subtitle? If it was just called Suicide Squad or The Suicide Squad vs The Justice League then bam you are no longer forced by the cosmic forces of the universe to kill the Justice League.
I hate the modern harley quinn. She's a husk of her former self.
Harley used to be such a great character. BTAS Harley is still peak Harley
49:50 This part makes me actually kind of mad they will steal frames from an old game and say its pay8ng respects, but then they do the most disrespectful thing possible with batman. Also they took injustice 2 Harley and put her in place of suicide squad harley
Gosh I'd say even Injustice Harley isn't THIS bad. Especially from the comics. I even used some pages of Injustice Harley in this video where she has much more nuanced and better characterization than anything in this game.
I really don't understand why they hire people who clearly hate the property they are working on.
The people running these companies hold no respect for what they make and resent that they are just stewards for characters made decades before any of them were born. They want to make things THEIR way but they don't realize that they have no talent or storytelling abilities so everything they make is garbage and people won't easily turn on the heroes they've loved since childhood.
I think this may be my favorite review of this game. You nailed everything from calling out the shills defending this crap, picking apart the stupidity of the premise, blatant retcons, character assassination (or shilling in Wonder Woman's case) and complete and utter disrespect to the legacy of the best Superhero game franchise of all time. Sorry Insomniac. I'd figured I'd list some more issues I had with this game's abysmal writing.
1) I LOATHE Boomerang in this game. His stupid pissing contest with the Flash is just obnoxious and I wanted Waller to threaten to blow his head off if he didn't knock it off. I'm reminded of a scene from Marvel Zombies the comic. It's when Nick Fury has assembled all the remaining superpowered beings that haven't been turned into zombies on the Helicarrier. Including supervillains. When US Agent asks who let Magneto in, *Wolverine*, the guy who's fought Magneto for years, tells him to shove it since Magneto had saved the X-Men from a zombified Alpha Flight prior and given the situation at hand, they can't be picky about their allies. Something like that should have happened in this game where someone tells boomerang to get over it since the situation is dire enough to not be made worse by his antics.
2) Speaking of characters I hate, I CANNOT stand Tara Strong as Harley Quinn anymore. Her need to make her Harley voice progressively squeakier and more high pitched has made her literal nails on a chalkboard. Also, I don't know what it is, but something about her face model in this game just makes her look obnoxious. Call me petty, but I hate her stupid face.
3) They could have written it so that the Power Ring runs out of juice after King Shark destroys Brainiac's shield. Remember, those things need to be recharged on a daily basis, and no one knows where Jon stored his lantern. So you could have easily justified why the Squad doesn't keep on to such a story breaker power like that instead of having the ring make King Shark crazy for no discernable reason.
4) WORST. BRAINIAC. EVER. Seriously, this guy is supposed to be an intergalactic invader who has conquered untold number of worlds across the multiverse... and STILL loses to 3 people and a shark with guns? He looks terrible, his writing his terrible, his boss fights are pathetic, and his plan makes no sense. If this guy has access to multiverse technology and his whole goal is to restore his home planet, then why doesn't he go to a universe where Colu is still a thing? The only reason he brainwashed the League was because Superman was stupider than him. Which leads to...
5) WORST. LEAGUE. EVER. With the exception of Batman and Wonder Woman, this Justice League has to be the most underwhelming seen in recent years. There's only 5 instead of the usual 7, and 3 of those 5 are grossly mischaracterized. Superman is an idiot, Jon Stewart acts more like Hal Jordan, and Barry Allen doesn't act a thing like Barry Allen. In fact, he actually kind of annoyed me with his shtick. Going back to Superman, even Clark from My Adventures with Superman, the sweetest cinnamon roll version of the character to date, would look at Brainiac's Skull Ship and figure this guy was bad news.
6) Hard agree with on the Clark/Kal thing. In fact, I think Bruce is the ONLY League member that refers to Superman as Clark. Now Diana I can understand to an extent, but Jon and Barry calling him Kal? Come on!
7) In regards to Kevin Conroy, apparently he was always gung-ho about playing Evil Batmen, hence him accepting the role here and in the CW special. And you can tell he was having fun with the role in both those instances, and this game's release was just unfortunate timing.
8) Hearing how much this game is flopping is giving me the biggest case of schadenfreude ever. A game this bad does not deserve to make any money. Not to mention, James Gunn has said he wants there to be more games set in this universe. HOW?! You literally killed every reason to make more games in this universe. And if they bring them back, who cares? The damage has been done.
9) Speaking as someone who has been on the receiving end of something like this, to whoever wrote that Harley grab-ass joke, go f*ck yourself.
Harley and Iveys so called relationship is already a key factor that tells us this is a alternate universe that may share some key factors as the Arkham Universe but most definitely in my opinion is not the original Arkham Universe.
I still laugh at 0:50.
For those who don't know, revolvers don't eject the cartridges. But, there's apparently a sound effect of a cartridge bouncing off the ground...
I got a whole section later in the video on that lol
@@coolman229
Right on. I was listening at work and had to stop about 30 minutes in. I'll try to finish it this weekend.
Oh I definitely don't expect everyone to watch an over 2 hour video in one go lol
The reason they do facial scans is because it's technically easier. You don't have to manually sit down and build the mesh and then layer on textures, and then sculpt, and then animate. You just take the renders you get and clean it up for lighting.
Also find it really amusing that there are people saying, "Just wait, they're all clones, the REAL Justice League will be brought back at the end!" like anyone is going to want to sit through several seasons of the same level of storytelling and the repetitive gameplay in the HOPES of a retcon that makes the base line of the story completely irrelevant.
It's still a blight on the industry as a whole.
@@roninwarriorsfan yeah, I generally prefer stylized graphics anyway.
It would lessen the load on the devs to make games that look more stylize and all the time they would save meticulously making models that show every tiny detail of an apple could be spent making distinct looking characters. The pursuit of hyper realism has stunted games and bloated budgets into the hundreds of millions for no benefit.
And yeah even if they intended to bring the ones you killed back Wonder Woman is still dead and really is the game even going to make it that long? This is not the kind of twist you wait over a year to reveal. Even if they intended to bring them back what's even the point? The game still treated them like trash and the only one the game was desperate to glaze wouldn't have the chance to have a clone made of her. There's no way, even if they intend to bring them back, that this will either make the game better or make anyone want to come back.
Akihiko (fes) voice: I've been waiting for this!
I actually hate how they prop up Wonder Woman but then absolutely shit on Flash. You care about the woman who was a dick to you the entire time, was straight up racist to King Shark and locked you all in a storage container but the guy who straight up risked his life for you gets mocked?
Also, it’s hilarious that Lex glazes Wonder Woman saying how she ‘solved toxic masculinity’ well yeah, they did, by throwing male Amazonians into the sea to drown as babies until a literal fucking Greek Titan stepped in who saved them from that to work as blacksmiths.
Holy 2 hours!
What a return, welcome back Coolman
There's a lot to go over
Good to be back.
@@coolman229I shared this in another discord, hope you don't mind
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Brainiac has brainwashed the league before in other continuities. Same with other villains in DC brainwashing the heroes from time to time. And yet the league was able to be freed. The DCAU alone has examples in several of their shows across the board (more than once from Brainiac too) and they were able to be freed from it.
This was changed just to force they had to die. These writers have nothing but contempt for these heroes and especially the Arkhamverse.
Also wtf is with the hateboner for John especially, he’s like one of the most beloved Lanterns??? Imagine crapping all over an authentic black hero representation to prop up the white character villain you race swapped. Idk……….I know you won’t get into it but I will. REEKS of racism.
Barry isn’t my favorite Flash (but he’s still awesome) but wtf is up with the disrespect? The guy is the reason these scummy, unfunny knuckleheads are alive.
Good lord Batman………..there isn’t enough hours in the day to rant about how they destroyed him.
But at least it bombed hard. May these dumb companies someday learn the lesson to stop hiring hacks who hate their IPs.
Great video coolman, I know you’ve been working really hard on it. It was fantastic.
Joker: “The death of Batman must me nothing more than a MASTERPIECE! The triumph of my sheer genius over his REDICULOUS MASK AND GADGETS!!!”
Harley: “Why don't you just shoot em?”
Truly an amazing video. You go into a lot more detail and bring up things that I never knew about the Arkham games. I really need to go back and play all of them.
Thanks! Definitely play the Arkham games they're all better than this
To this day im still wiling to put money on the idea that Gotham Knights was suppoused to be the Arkhamverse game and sequel to arkham knight.A LOT about it just fits with how the characters and story plays out. In particalr the Harley there actually feels like a natural progression of Arkham harley's character becoming a fully sadistic and cruel villain in her own right. The joker is mentioned but never shown in the game for like....NO reason. Batman is meant to be bead and yet he's not on a rampage? Harley fro some reason in that game and joker split up. that's never really explained.
Clayface acts like a crazier version of his Arkham City self. the list goes on. They probibly planned to make it the arkhamverse game and suicide squad was poribbly oriignally supoused to be based on the MOVIES version of the characters. But due to how they saw Avengers crash and burn. They tried to salvage gotham knights as best they could by ripping out all the live service stuff. But they KNEW it was bad. So they remvoed all teh arkham verse refrences possible and changed things in the delay.
And gave it over to suicide squad. WHich if you really think about it. is trying WAY too hard to tell you it's Arkhamverse. LIke all the refrences and explinations given for deadshot alone feel really forced and kinda stupid and shoehorned in. This was probibly meant to be it's own universe. But they slapped the Arkhamverse seting onto it to try to make it sell better.
I agree. I feel like WB Montreal was going to make a game following up Arkham Knight with Bruce gone so you'd have Dick, Jason, and Tim (and maybe Helena cause she got numerous references in City and Knight) having to deal with a post Batman Gotham. In fact this feels like a natural continuation for Jason who... frankly didn't have anything going on in Knight but it ended with him being Red Hood so a story where he has to deal with Bruce suddenly being gone makes sense. Heck even Talia coming back and being a major character in the story makes sense cause of course she could come back by taking a dip in a Lazarus Pit. And the set up that Harley was working with Bruce secretly feels like it could have been something done after Harley had developed post Knight.
But then they had to hastily change everything to make it something completely different. So any backstory for why Bruce was gone was erased and they had to scrap together something. Barbara was suddenly back as Batgirl likely due to executive decisions to match the comics, and the entire story felt like it was slapped together in a big hurry. I wish WB Montreal got to actually make a genuine continuation of Knight but DC and WB love making terrible decisions.
@@coolman229 Agreed to all you have said. Just Everything about gotham knigths. From the way it plays and even looks? Screams that it was meant to be arkhamverse. But live service. But after avengerrs disaster they took the universe off of it and made it it's own thing possibly to not have as bad backlash.
Or more likley. They did it to try to salvage suicide squad's chances. You can kinda feel this may of been meant to be the arkhamverse game as Suicide squads story is pretty messy as a lot of things just don't match up with the ending of Arkham knight or the characters. But when they saw how bad avengerrs did andhow GK didn't have a chance to be sucessful? They disconneced it from the Arkham verse and gave it to suicide squad to hopefuly make it sell better. Hence the delays. To add in the Arkhamverse links.
Plus? Think about this Ra's al ghul ambshes Bruce in the batcave in gotham knights intro. But like. HOW?
How on earth did even HE manage to get thedrop on Bruce like that?Well. What if Bruce thought he was dead?
Season of imfamyDLC has the league of shadows side questline where bruce can decide to let Ra's get the lasraus pit again, which he was so terrifed of, due to how he was losing his mind and becoming twisted. or Denying him that. Given arkham city, it's pretty clear most players would of simply not given Ra's the Lazarus pit.
Bruce wasn't really kiling him. Just letting him not deveolve into the monster we saw in city. Ra's would thank him
It feels...Morel ike a mercy Batman would give. So batman would naturally make that choice So Ra's is dead for good now
Right?
Bruce owuldn't have his defences up to keep Ra's out of the batcave. So if Ra's suddenly showed up and attacked him...Batman WOULDN'T BE READY for that
And talia being alive but twisted?
Well given she wasn't back in arkham knight.Of course Bruce wouldnt' expect her eitherThis means the story of gotham knights has a lot of logic to it
IF IT'S ARKHAMVERSE. Plus Batman is dead...ANd the joker is not losing his mind over that and burning gotham to the ground? WHere the is the joker? WHy is Harley now a saditic and cruel villain on her own?That maeks no sense...Unless
Joker is already dead and Harley is on her own still fueled by rage and a desire for vengenge on the bat family
ANd Arkham harley becoming a more vicous and cruel villain on her own well...That would make a LOT of sense for her.
I can go on and on about this. But it is painfully clear that something went very, very wrong behind the scenes for both of these games. But Suicide squad got it worse. There is not a snowballs chance in heeck this was desgined to be arkhamverse from the ground up. But that i can get into if you are curious.
Honestly I don't even think the whole battle with Ra's and Bruce was supposed to be there in the first place. I think the set up was simply "Bruce is gone" and leave it at that after Knight. But when this was made into a totally separate thing they had to throw together a way for Bruce to not be there so they threw in the battle with Ra's which is why it feels so out of nowhere.
@@coolman229 Fully agreed honeslty. It feels kinda thrown in honeslty.
What they did to Batman feels personal man, it's like they hated him from the core of their heart.
They were like "Lo behold we spit on your childhood memories and your hero".
I like suicide squad (2016) but I would be the first to say it’s a bad movie.
This game is the definition of disrespectful to timeless characters. If they can’t change the characters how they want they ruin it for everyone so no one in the future wants them. 🤮
This is why I hate woke politics and the fools who argue over nonsense. 🤦♂️
My main problem with KTJL is that they actively assassinate the characters that have their stories built up through previous games. This doesn’t include just Batman, from Harley to Deadshot they just pissed on what was already built up.
Harley pisses me off cause they could have given her so much more nuance but then they just made her Modern Harley.
What I find annoying was GodzillaMendoza's argument that the story isn't "That bad," because it's been confirmed, or it's obvious that the real Justice League is still alive and we've been killing clones in the game.
I don't know if that's been confirmed, and I'm pretty sure it isn't, but that isn't in the game and probably will never be in the game. But, even still, Wonder Woman is clearly dead, and Batman's death was certainly framed pretty hard as being real.
My personal theory is that the League us going to be brought back with multiverse shenanigans. My pet peeve is that, well, the mission is pointless. Brainiac can clone himself and get multiverse variants forever. The arbitrary number of Brainiacs you have to kill is just silly and, well, arbitrary.
There's so much to criticise about this game, from the mechanics to the story.
Yeah I made a point in this video that it doesn't matter if they bring them back cause it doesn't really fix anything. They still went out of their way to disrespect the heroes and kill them. None of the characters in the game would ever think they were clones and that shows how they would treat these heroes regardless. And like you mentioned Wonder Woman is dead so she's gone unless they pull another WW from the multiverse. It's a complete mess and nothing in it works.
@@coolman229 I agree with you. I just thought I should thank you for responding and confess that I only watched 10-15 minutes of this video initially because I didn't have the time to commit to the full thing, but you're gonna be keeping me company during my night shift tonight.
(I work as a janitor/maintenance guy, if you're curious.)
I'm glad to provide a couple hours of entertainment for you while you work
Wow this game was more of a mess than I thought.
I honestly don't like how it seems like they had to jump through so many hoops to justify killing everyone in the League. Even if the title says it, that doesn't mean it has to be that way. It can be a bait and switch thing. You go in expecting to kill the League, but the narrative can shift to where you have the opportunity to SAVE THEM. And the brainwashing not having a cure seems dumb to me. This is the world of comic books, almost anything that seems impossible can be possible.
Wonder Woman being the only one who isn't spat on annoys me too. Like, did they make that decision because they thought it would look bad if they trashed her in any way since she's a strong female character? I love WW but I also love everyone else in the JL too. They are good people, why do we have to let only WW be the outlier?
Also, Clark being constantly referred to as Kal-El is sooooo weird to my ears. Like you said, it's like if Goku's close friends outside of Vegeta started calling him Kakarot. It does not vibe guys, stop calling him that. Also, I might have missed it if you explained, but were the guns to kill Superman infused with anything that could kill him? Or just straight up bullets? Because when I saw that the SS's method to kill the JL consisted of just straight up shooting them--including Clark--I was just like....dafuq???
Overall, based on the inconsistencies you pointed out with other Arkham games, they should have just made this a standalone game outside of the universe. It wouldn't have fixed all the problems the story had, but at least we could remove it from previous Batman games that...y'know...HAVE BATMAN AS THE MAIN CHARACTER.
Nice video, Coolman! Can't wait to see more from you!
Thanks!
Basically they used the yellow Kryptonite to weaken Superman which is what regular Kryptonite is supposed to do and that lets them hurt him. But they still shoot him and it's not like they shoot him with Kryptonite bullets which HAS hurt him in the comics. Bloodsport, a character I referenced from the comics that should have been in this, did that very thing to Superman. But it really amounts to "We need anti-[Insert Hero Here] stuff so we can shoot them" for all of them. Anti Speed Force tech for Flash, Yellow Lanterns for Green Lantern, and Yellow Kryptonite for Superman. And then they shoot them a bunch. It's so dull and uncreative.
It really should have just been its own thing not connected to a previous game so at least the awful crap in it would be self contained.
@@coolman229 Gold Kryptonite has a delayed effect on kryptonians (destroying the parts of their cells that actually turns yellow solar light into energy for their superhuman abilities), but yeah it's still stupid they went this route.
On one occasion Captain cold froze Jonny quicks leg then smashed it to pieces saying he respected the flash to much to do that to him
The Rogues will commit crimes and do bad things BUT they respect Flash. Them inviting him to one of their retirement parties is just so hilarious to me they will fight him on the regular but hey he's still invited to the party.
The rogues are great
Strangely, I did like King Shark x Killer Frost thing. Despite the weirdness, it was well developed, and I kind of felt bad when King Shark died. Not only King Shark's existence in this game is inconsistent, since he's meant to be dead, but also I'm outraged the game didn't use the same design from the Assault on Arkham movie, that was my favorite King Shark's design. :,(
Superman's costume in this game isn't bad, i just wish it was in a better game/show
Edit: i don't care what braniac did to superman, kryptonite on his chest will kill him through blood poisoning
Superman is not immune to his heart being pierced! He still has blood pumping through it! If his heart stops he still dies. The lengths this game goes through to ignore the events it literally shows you is insane.
@@coolman229 the superman bio from lex is pissing me off.
First of all: Krypton was exploding at the core *nothing you can do will stop that!*
Second: Jor-El in superman the animated series had a plan, use the phantom zone projector to store them all in with a letter explaining what was going on with the projector in the pod (with instructions on how to use it), but Braniac (a much better version mind you) was pretty much fillerbustering & roadblocking Jor-El at every turn, saving his son was all he could do in the end.
While I understand, Superman is the ONE hero I will accept Lex being the biggest dick to. Superman is HIS nemesis and he is Superman's number 1 hater. He can lie through his teeth to bash Superman and I think that's in character. The others I'm not so charitable on, especially his takes on Batman and Wonder Woman.
@@coolman229 understandable, it just peeved me off a bit
52:37 went from rolling my eyes at cringe to laughing at the super soft “disgusting…” reaction after it
I'm so glad I discovered that clip
Anomaly Inc recommended you, so subscribed.
Thanks!
I must say that you have failed as a game developer company when you are beat by a LEGO game of all things.
To be fair LEGO games are peak
The Lego games did both a Brainiac invasion and villains vs Evil Justice League story better than this.
I love how wonder woman is the only JL member of the game that gets a respectful death while all the male JL members get disrespectful deaths since shes so HAPPENS to be the only female JL member and they intentionally write in her chat bio how lex luthor of all people is D-Riding Wonder woman by saying how she solves society's problems like toxic masculinity all while john stewart gets treated like a nobody in his bio and robin gets killed off screen even though he doesn't even appear in the game at all and already never had the best screentime in the Arkham games since every time robin talks to Batman Batman tells him to piss off and how he'll handle everything himself which made me wonder why he even trained tim to be robin in the first place if he's just gonna keep doing that and surprise surprise wonder woman gets this kind of simping and she also happens to be the one character in DC comics lore who everybody knows comes from a land dominated by women who hate men where men are not allowed that being themyscira, I guess we now know that there's feminists that work at rocksteady since clearly feminists/misandrists havent attacked all men enough already 🤦
They easily could have picked a better and more loved team like say......THE TITANS
You could have the Justice League brainwashed, and Nightwing and the Titans are working to save them and the world. Done. Easy money.
The fact they went with the Suicide Squad over the Teen Titans should be considered criminal
Debra Wilson can pull off a good Waller performance, she voiced her on The Batman Telltale Series and was great there. The problem here was definitely the direction and not her talents
1:40:42 I'm surprised TH-cam let you keep that.
When I clicked on that timestamp, I got an ad.
This game is really making me respect the Hellboy Web of Wyrd game, because even though it wasn't perfect and a bit repetitive, atleast it has love for the source material.
But this game's story is so awful and what I have seen of it the gameplay doesn't look good either. Developers, stop making looter shooters, these games were getting old by the time Anthem released.
But making games people want is hard :( It's easier to pump in unnecessary amounts of money into a project that has no potential hoping it will magically print money.
Just stop it rocksteady
That image with the concept art of WB Sushi Squad just... makes me sad.
All those notes on the design are 100% correct and should always be the design philosophy of everything...sadly that's not fit into modern ideology anymore.
Also when you mentioned the false pregnancyof Harley I got reminded again that we got robbed of Pauls storyline after they refused to get him back....
WB Montreal was COOKING with their Suicide Squad game idea. The notes they had floored me with how much they just understood the assignment but they were denied.
And I'm still baffled at Rocksteady kicking Paul Dini out for Knight when he was really the one holding their stories together considering how bad Knight turned out. So many plotlines were either completely dropped the second they got rid of Paul (even going back to the Harley's Revenge DLC which did not have Paul Dini credited with any writing) or giving it barely a half hearted shrug in Knight. Hush was left to be a complete waste and nothing that was set up in City meant anything in Knight. Azrael was barely relevant as a side quest and even Scarecrow plays like 3rd fiddle to Joker somehow being made the entire focus of the game.
@@coolman229 Something I see less talked about that always confused me was that City established that the Lazarus pit exists in the Arkhamverse, yet Knight did everything in it's power to make a Jason that's "oc donut steel" and completely change his origin as Red Hood.
The Knight version just makes way less sense but frankly that's 90% of Knight.
Your mentions of the dropped Paul sidequest plotlines are onpoint, I'll even through in that Scarecrow is just a completely different character and not even remotely the same as he was on Asylum.
The hints in City also suggested that while he was planning his return, it was never a military takeover and seemed more like he was planning something from the shadows (The boat, the dead Scarecrow goons during Protocol 10, hints that certain parts and areas of the game were never real etc)
Knight is also really weird about Lazarus Pits cause City heavily implies that they're pretty numerous like they are in basically every continuity (Batman commenting on Ra's just needing a dip in a Lazarus Pit when he got impaled makes it seem like this is a regular thing for him) but then Knight seems to act like the one in City was the ONLY one. Talia was never brought back... for some reason (though they tease her maybe coming back in the DLC????). Even Harley's Revenge went hard on Talia not coming back even though I didn't feel anything when she got shot by Joker since... you know Lazarus Pits. I was incredibly confused that they treated Talia being shot in the back as her being dead for reals when she's one of the few characters who could easily come back. Ra's was also treated as being on his last legs in Knight despite City having him be mostly fine just a little crazy after taking a dip in the Lazarus Pit. It genuinely feels like Rocksteady did NOT like anything Paul Dini was doing and they didn't like the Lazarus Pits.
Add in the fact that they completely changed Jason's story just for the sake of it and removing any connection he had to the League of Assassins and he's basically a different character entirely. They even had to BS Jason being alive and Bruce just assuming he died and never looked for him instead of him ACTUALLY being dead and Bruce directly confirming it before moving on. The comic and the Under the Red Hood movie versions make sure to show Batman found Jason and confirmed he died, but Arkham Batman just got a video and went "Welp he's dead better get a new Robin" which is nonsensical. Not to mention how I got the impression Tim had been a pretty new Robin in City but then Knight goes "Actually he's been the Robin since before Barbara was crippled also please accept we forced them into a romance despite saying Tim was a student in City implying he's in high school guys he's definitely not significantly younger than Barbara please-". The Robin in the Batgirl DLC SHOULD have been either Dick or Jason, and I think Jason needed it more since he has NOTHING and to make matters worse he doesn't even interact with Dick or Tim. His predecessor who is like his older brother and his replacement have nothing to do with the Jason story in Knight and it's baffling. Jason is such a nothing character in Knight that it baffles me why they even wanted to include him in the first place.
And yeah I absolutely agree on Scarecrow. He's a completely different character. Not even just the voice, which I hate. I have nothing against John Noble but whenever Scarecrow said anything in Knight all I could think of was Denethor son of Ecthelion, Steward of Gondor. Scarecrow acted nothing like he did before, sounded nothing like he did before, and seemed to have a full blown personality transplant. There was no hint at him using a military, and if he had enough Fear Toxin to cover Gotham then he wouldn't need it. He could use everyone's fears against them which is more Scarecrow. The fact that Scarecrow was less important than Jason and Joker in the game that was SUPPOSED to be his big moment just shows Rocksteady didn't care about what Paul Dini was setting up.
Honeslty. This game has a lot of problems. To go along with what the video has said. The boss figths have interesting ideas but just feel plain stupid given how every preivous scene sets up how easily each hero can overpower the squad. The story is fine for the most part if a bit dumb, and the gameplay is fun enouph, but repetative as there isn't anything to spice it up/change or improve it past what you get at the start. Even hhe skill trees feel a bit tacked on as they don't really change how you play.
But if you ask me, most of the games issues stem from the decicion not to make this a live service, but a looter shooter. This was an incredibly bad decicion in my book for one reason. It made the game desgined around fighting the random enemies and minions. And NOT around the boss fights. And that's a huge issue.
This games combat systems and mechanics are NOT desgined for boss fights at ALL. It's desgined for frantic, chaotic shoot outs. Not boss fights against super powered indiivduals. They can't create interesting mehanics or gameplay moments, beacuse the whole thing is desinged around guns and moving from place to place and shooting things.
How would you make a boss fight against batman work? He's just a human being in a batsuit. He can't use his gadgets to disable our guns or we can't even fight. He can't sneak around and ambush us beacuse we have no means to counter that. He can't jump down and punch us, beacuse we have no melee combos or mechanics beyond the basic attack.
This extends to the whole game. Looter shooters generally don't have very good boss fights outside of borderlands and this game proves why.
Rather than building itslef around each characters unique gimmick and skll set, eveyone just shoots and gets around the city diffrently. THAT is a huge problem and explains why each boss fight feels so dumb. There is nothing they can acutally DO with this combat system.
Functionally, let's think about this. How is anyone going to play any diffrent to deathstroke? Or Mr/Nora Freeze in future content? They move around the citty diffrently? What else? What is the point of new playable characters if they all play the same at the end of the day and don't have anything to truly make them unique comabt wise?
I wish this video was longer, I'm almost at the end, wnd i don't want it to be over
Edit: Batman's death is in really bad taste because thomas and Martha wayne died by gunshot as well.
I let my soul get sucked out spending so much time working on this lol
And yeah killing him like his parents is just... ugh
@@coolman229 it's a really good job nonetheless
coolman229 are you as cool as you say?
Rocksteady went rock bottom with this poorly planned and abysmal failure.
They really decided to gamble everything on the most worthless premise possible.
@@coolman229 Sweet Baby Inc is to blame for the story.
I would have rather have saved the Justice League as Flash or Wonder Woman as opposed to killing them as the suicide squad. Would have especially loved it if you could have played as Batman and the Batfamily and were trying to save the Justice League. Or heck have all of them be brainwashed and play as the Bat-family to try and save the Justice League! So many better things could have been done. I swear the people working on this game put little to no thought into this game. Except for Wonder Women. They adore her for whatever reason. It's hard to not think of it as man hating and woman worshipping, cause it's pretty on the nose if you ask me.
Like they already set it in the Arkhamverse why not just let people play as Batman saving the Justice League? That game would have printed money.
@@coolman229 I guess they're after something other then money rn? I mean I've heard they are getting money from other business so they don't seem to really care about customer money rn. Or people are really brain dead and will just buy anything that looks cool. 😅
This game feels like it was made in Bizarro World. A world where every wrong thing is good and bad decisions are considered the norm. However, that game ended up teleported to this world where such things are considered bad. I just can't fathom how anyone would look at all these decisions, for both story and gameplay, and give it the greenlight.
I don't care what Rocksteady or WB say, this shit isn't canon to the Arkhamverse. Like you, I had my fair share of problems with Arkham Knight, but holy cow if Unalive Squad doesn't make Knight look like Return of the King in terms of writing. I don't know about you, but I have discovered a newfound appreciation for that game.
In regards to Superman being made immune to kryptonite by Brainiac, the Legion of Super Heroes cartoon from 2006 did this SO much better. In that show, Brainiac created a clone of Superman called Superman X that was genetically tampered to be made immune to kryptonite. However, that show took place in the 31st century, where technology has advanced to the point where it would be plausible for Brainiac to make something like that. Not to mention, being immune to a radioactive rock isn't the same as being immune to having your heart punctured.
Why is Captain Boomerang cutting off fingers a running joke at all in this game? He did it the one time by complete accident, but the game treats it like he's Larry Drake from Darkman, where he keeps a collection of severed fingers.
Even if they do bring the League back, who cares? The damage has been done. No one's going to want to see anything else from this universe.
P.S. Nice of you to call out DC's fatphobia in recent years. It's the same deal with Etta Candy from Wonder Woman. I'm not saying this as someone who doesn't even swing that way, I say this as someone who wants body diversity in media and that plus sized women exist.
Also, God I wish Hynden Walch would be the new default Harley voice. She's legitimately great in the role.
In conclusion, you want to see some GOOD recent DC media that features a Superman that isn't an idiot, an Amanda Waller who's competent and played by Debra Wilson, and a Brainiac that looks and acts cool? Watch My Adventures with Superman. Season 2 just came out and it's great so far.
You had me in the first half not gonna lie. There are problems with My Adventures with Superman that honestly can't be excused, but I agree with everything else you said.
Tara Strong wasn't that bad at first as Harley, in fact I quite enjoyed her in City, but she is so bad in this game, the direction is AWFUL for all the actors tbf. However yeah, Hynden Walch did so good as Harley in The Batman, I feel like she should be the defacto successor to Arleen Sorken, she's unironically the second best Harley Quinn actress period, and she was fantastic in Assault on Arkham. No one will ever replace Arleen, but Hynden just fits her better.
@roninwarriorsfan MAWS isn't perfect by any means (especially with what they do with some of the villains) but even with its problems it is still *light* *years* better than anything DC/WB have put out in recent years.
In my opinion This game gave lots of fuel the people that say that modern media is woke and infected with DEI. Girls good, men bad.
I feel like people weren't saying that until Sweet Baby Inc. made a big stink about it.
You don't even really see people even mention the Ivy thing when, honestly, it probably should be pointed out more that Harley essentially flirted with a character that looks and acts like a pre-teen.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917
People were definitely talking about that years before their exposure, it's just that the cat's out of the bag now for everyone to see.
I hate this game with every fibre of my being so I am so ENRAGED that you are forcing me to do this.
Who would want to kill the Justice League? I don't know who would want to play a game where you commit theft, mass murder, terrorism and destruction oh wait, GTA, Saints Row 2, Assassins Creed Black Flag etc. People like playing the bad guy sometimes that isn't the issue, the issue is literally every single other part of the game from the smallest detail to the biggest mechanic suck. Also false advertising is a massive reason they can't go against the title because if you don't think someone would be willing to sue them over it your more delusional than the writers.
I guarantee you that if the game gave you the option to save the Justice League members instead of kill them not a single person would sue them over false advertising, especially if it blatantly gives you the option to kill them. This isn't like TLOU2 showing Joel with Ellie because they literally replaced another character with Joel to trick people.
Bit late to the party
1:44:21
Let's agree to disagree on that.
1:44:56
No wonder Nomz calls you hateman.
Why are you disagreeing with an objective fact?
@@roninwarriorsfan All I have to say to that is th-cam.com/video/G2y8Sx4B2Sk/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@roninwarriorsfan I just disagree with him on that. That's it.
Somebody said that they're actually clones of JL. Not the real deal. Superman survives a huge kryponite wound? How? A clone
Addressed in the video
That's crazy, anyway i actually enjoyed the game
So I'm only stopping this at like 8 minutes and 48 seconds because already I can say with what you're saying about the whole AI coming up with a better story it's like yeah the whole implementing of you know saving the Justice League instead or like you just mentioned in the video killing the ball gets you the bad ending basically like even with that it would still not work with the premise of who The suicide squad is the members of it being Harley Quinn the fake dead shot because the white one is the real one so you know they install obviously Arkham Batman so this isn't even our Batman from Arkham series since he's too stupid and all this other crap anyways outside of that they're going up against two other characters who they definitely could not kill which would be Superman and Green Lantern and since they couldn't even kill Batman how are they going to kill those two then eventually The Flash gets turned via their own stupidity and fucking around too much and also he saves them twice the second time being after their fucking around too much and essentially lead to his capture and eventually brainwashing by Brainiac which by the way on that note Brainiac alone in this game can immediately just stop this game from happening by like either killing The suicide squad from the get-go or immobilizing them the fact that he doesn't do that the entire game and allows them to destroy his shit and take down the members of the Justice League is fucking stupid and not something Brainiac would have ever done and even if he didn't directly do anything with them he would have had Batman kill them which he was stalking them from the fucking beginning of the game as well he would have had Green Lantern killed them especially since Green Lantern actually had them in his grasp literally just took them on a fucking tour and showing them what fucking Brainiac was doing and how he's just turning people and and setting up all these fucking devices and shit like what the hell Superman honestly could have killed them right out the fucking gate right off the bat oh even when the flash gets turned he proves that he could have easily killed them at any point in time he did it to Lex luthor he literally pulls out his fucking heart in front of them and then throws it at fucking Captain boomerang. So in conclusion even if we gave this game the option to save the Justice League and in that sense write a much better story with all of its woke garbage it's racist bullshit towards Green Lantern done and said in a bio by fucking Deadshot the black one the one who's actually fake since they want to try to claim this is in the Arkham first and well Arkham Batman isn't stupid and he would 100% know if the white Deadshot was a fake one or not he had already clarified that he was the real Deadshot so that's really stupid not to mention he wouldn't have allowed them to get any access to anything that would have been able to take down the fucking Justice League or even get access to the batcave yet alone the fucking Hall of Justice are you kidding me like oh my God the absolute brain dead fucking shit they came up with in this game is so stupid and horrendous it's not even funny they disrespected Kevin Conroy's Batman they disrespected the lore of every DC character in this game as well as things like the Green Lantern ring and how it functions as well as kryptonite with Superman and how it works not to mention certain other things then let's also not forget just the absolute disrespect of the people who made the company for them the only reason these people have fucking jobs in the first place and were even allowed the opportunity to work on a game that supposedly is in the Arkham verse is because the previous team that worked on all three of the Arkham Batman games that being asylum, City and, knight which were all fantastic games and honestly it's really sad and pathetic how Arkham Knight looks like 10 times better than suicide squad ever did when it came out like basically 10 years almost beforehand like it was basically 9 years but it's almost fucking 10 years that's really sad and pathetic anyways is just absolutely unequivocally fucking disrespectful to the people who made those games made that company what it is and is the only reason those incompetent people who are now at rocksteady even have jobs in the first place to work on a fucking video game and they're going to sit there and just tarnish the legacy of rocksteady by disrespecting the fucking franchise that made rocksteady so famous.