I think eventually Peggy would have been made a copyrighter. They had already given her two accounts at this point and she had the copy chief and an account man supporting her. Not to mention, they had plenty of accounts directed at women. It was like Harry being made head of television, it was just something that had to happen eventually.
it's not about geneder roles, it's about promoting a rural secretary to junito copywriter of a Madison Avenue ad company. This would be unheard of even today
Ken makes the “I have to get married” comment when it’s brought up that Pete landed an account through his father-in-law. Funnily enough, Ken’s future FIL is a bigwig at Dow and Ken abjectly refuses to go after him as an account.
Ken is one of the only characters in the show that has some form of a moral compass in the arc. He stands out as a guy with some form of ideals in the world where everyone is out fending for themselves
@@missbond7345 But Ken is also incredibly naive and shallow. Giving up his career in writing because there was a conflict with work? That's not how a true artistic mind works, someone with a backbone would've found a way to combine both his career in advertising and writing.
I always find it funny how in the later seasons Don takes credit for Peggy's rise while he actually promoted her out of spite, it was Freddie Rummsen and Kenny Kosgrove who actually discovered and supported her promotion
I mean they vouched for her sure. He didn't give it out of spite though, she legitimately was doing a good job on the other accounts also targeted at women, it made sense.
@@colderplasma Oh I know he see talent in her, otherwise he wouldn't have promoted her, but her promotion wasn't planned or anything he clearly wanted to stick it to Campbell after he said he wanted a real copywriter for Clearasil
The fruition or actualization of promotion was surrounded with contentiousness. However, this should not muddle the origins of the climb. Draper seems genuinely surprised at Pete's adamant pushback. It is inaccurate to state the promotion occurred out of spite.
@@wjb4578 of course it is but seriously, no matter the scene, whether it is first thing in the morning or when they are going to bed, they either start the day with a shot or end with a nightcap. ALWAYS! How are they not too drunk to actually do their job?
@@wjb4578 The show where don ends up drawing marker lines on his bottles and freddy rumsen is fired for pissing himself in a scene where we see him pour out full-to-the-brim glasses of bourbon in a morning meeting has little to do with the context of the show? Literally in this scene we see a foreshadowing of duck phillips alcoholism which ends up as part of his self-humiliation cementing his defeat in the merger negation, as his boss, appalled at Ducks loss of control goes "he never could hold his liquor"...
Elizabeth Moss in season one basically gave us a masterclass of acting, a timide shy girl from Bay Ridge who's trying to survive, fighting the wolves and keep her job in Posh Manhattan, "my goodness" then awkwardly walking in the middle of those mean men who made her cry last episode to shake Don's hands, her character developpement is by far the best thing in Mad Men.
Well it wasn't believable to me that she was naive enough not to know she was pregnant no morning sickness no periods gained all that weight no kicking etc? Didn't know till delivery time then just gave up the kid not a word to Pete other than that I liked her character development.
@@annalisavajda252It literally would have worked better if they didn't use that RIDICULOUS fat suit on her and Betty. I mean, what were they thinking? Who wouldn't notice that? And making Pete shave his hairline back to look like he was balding was just so... extra. It's like the art department wanted to feel like they needed to do something to validate their being there so they did all this unnecessary stuff. And what they did was give away some developments early and make people look atrocious.
@@gnosticreverend6354 I don't disagree the word is slightly overused, but is he wrong in this instance? Her character was very stereotypical yet she brought a cadence and nuance to it that made it really endearing and lovable. The script couldn't carry that character on its own merits. Don either. Madmen was essentially all about what the actors could sell. I can see on paper this show coming off as very droll, as the lead is so stoic. None of these performances were midtier, not a single one of them. They were all A-game performances. It's what carried the show through so many... rather difficult to enjoy seasons.
@@StudioMod They can't articulate it the way you just did, though. They have to say "masterclass" because video essays and reddit posts tell them how to think; they don't have orignal thoughts.
Apparently his hand was broken during the filming, and on an earlier take despite him warning her, Elizabeth Moss, shook his hand in earnest. (She thought he was joking). Jon Hamm talked about it on Conan, I feel bad for laughing about it
I've watched this series now 3 times since it aired. This is a reminder, after all the accumulative tat now infesting TV and streaming sites, that I need to go back and watch it a 4th time. 😉
I think in this scene Jon Hamm's hand was broken and he asked her to shake hands "kindly". But Moss thought he was joking, so she made a firm handshake. Hamm says it was so painful that he actually hit his knee to the desk and almost broke the character!
Peggy was gonna be the lead on that account regardless of what was said, Pete Campbell calling out Don is why he got emasculated in front of his peers.
Not some little girl who’ll walk away. Because that’s what most women did those days. They worked a bit, then got married and walked away. I can empathise with Pete a bit here.
I just did a rewatch and they change so subtly over the seasons that you don’t even realize it until you go back to the earlier scenes. For them to be able to do that so organically speaks volumes to the character development they pulled off
Oh okay.. so was it intentional? Sometimes you gotta wonder whether the writing in a show accommodates unplanned actor issues or if it’s the opposite. For example, remember how much weight Walt’s wife gained while shooting Breaking Bad? Better yet, remember how fat Todd got when they shot the epilogue movie El Camino? But maybe you’re right about it being intentional with Peggy.
@@JasonVictorEverett I think it was prosthetics making her look this way for the storyline. The same way as when they made Betty fat but January Jones was always her petite self. Also Skylar was probably the worst person on Breaking Bad and that's saying something! Lol!
@@JasonVictorEverett It's pretty bad that her Karen levels could surpass hardcore drug kingpins. LOL! The absolute coldest moment on that show to me was when she told Walt so blatantly about her and Ted. Dude that was just straight up cold.
I just love that Don made a groundbreaking decision in terms of gender roles, purely as a “fuck you” to Pete Campbell.
You take your lucky breaks where you can get them, then do a dazzling job. : )
I think eventually Peggy would have been made a copyrighter. They had already given her two accounts at this point and she had the copy chief and an account man supporting her. Not to mention, they had plenty of accounts directed at women. It was like Harry being made head of television, it was just something that had to happen eventually.
As are so many courageous young theys and thems today...
it's not about geneder roles, it's about promoting a rural secretary to junito copywriter of a Madison Avenue ad company. This would be unheard of even today
Ken makes the “I have to get married” comment when it’s brought up that Pete landed an account through his father-in-law. Funnily enough, Ken’s future FIL is a bigwig at Dow and Ken abjectly refuses to go after him as an account.
He’s also the person that took him in when they fired him
Ken is one of the only characters in the show that has some form of a moral compass in the arc. He stands out as a guy with some form of ideals in the world where everyone is out fending for themselves
“i am not Pete”- Kenny Cosgrove
@@missbond7345 i just wish he had more plot or storyline. he was great. played his role incredibly well.
@@missbond7345 But Ken is also incredibly naive and shallow. Giving up his career in writing because there was a conflict with work? That's not how a true artistic mind works, someone with a backbone would've found a way to combine both his career in advertising and writing.
I love how when Don calls out "PEGGY" she's there in a nanosecond.
I always find it funny how in the later seasons Don takes credit for Peggy's rise while he actually promoted her out of spite, it was Freddie Rummsen and Kenny Kosgrove who actually discovered and supported her promotion
I mean they vouched for her sure. He didn't give it out of spite though, she legitimately was doing a good job on the other accounts also targeted at women, it made sense.
@@colderplasma Oh I know he see talent in her, otherwise he wouldn't have promoted her, but her promotion wasn't planned or anything he clearly wanted to stick it to Campbell after he said he wanted a real copywriter for Clearasil
Don simply solved the only problem Pete mentioned. That she wasn't even a copywriter.
The fruition or actualization of promotion was surrounded with contentiousness. However, this should not muddle the origins of the climb. Draper seems genuinely surprised at Pete's adamant pushback. It is inaccurate to state the promotion occurred out of spite.
@@ahmadhalimi the promotion was done. It was a look of, 'I'm fully in charge (despite who you think your father in law is). '
Don screamed her name and she came in
.... Possibly she could hear everything else all the time
Haha
Yessss
Nah
yeah that is shown a couple of times throughout the show. people will open the door when they hear they name bc everyone can her throught the door lol
That’s probably why Sal said “don’t act surprised”.
I love that wry, “Don’t act surprised.” The show had so many cutting details that enriched every scene.
I just love it when Don puts his foot down and shows who’s boss in the room. He showed Pete here, and he’ll show Duck a season later.
the thing that gets me is how much god damn alcohol these people consume on a daily basis
I'll take this comment as tongue in cheek because their alcoholic consumption means very little in the context of the show
@@wjb4578 of course it is but seriously, no matter the scene, whether it is first thing in the morning or when they are going to bed, they either start the day with a shot or end with a nightcap. ALWAYS! How are they not too drunk to actually do their job?
@@wjb4578 they legit send freddy and later don home for months bc of the alcoholism
@@wjb4578 The show where don ends up drawing marker lines on his bottles and freddy rumsen is fired for pissing himself in a scene where we see him pour out full-to-the-brim glasses of bourbon in a morning meeting has little to do with the context of the show?
Literally in this scene we see a foreshadowing of duck phillips alcoholism which ends up as part of his self-humiliation cementing his defeat in the merger negation, as his boss, appalled at Ducks loss of control goes "he never could hold his liquor"...
Consider what their job entails @@vikramparmar8093
Elizabeth Moss in season one basically gave us a masterclass of acting, a timide shy girl from Bay Ridge who's trying to survive, fighting the wolves and keep her job in Posh Manhattan, "my goodness" then awkwardly walking in the middle of those mean men who made her cry last episode to shake Don's hands, her character developpement is by far the best thing in Mad Men.
Well it wasn't believable to me that she was naive enough not to know she was pregnant no morning sickness no periods gained all that weight no kicking etc? Didn't know till delivery time then just gave up the kid not a word to Pete other than that I liked her character development.
@@annalisavajda252It literally would have worked better if they didn't use that RIDICULOUS fat suit on her and Betty. I mean, what were they thinking? Who wouldn't notice that? And making Pete shave his hairline back to look like he was balding was just so... extra. It's like the art department wanted to feel like they needed to do something to validate their being there so they did all this unnecessary stuff. And what they did was give away some developments early and make people look atrocious.
When will people stop using "masterclass" to describe every acting performance and move onto whatever new NPC buzzword
@@gnosticreverend6354 I don't disagree the word is slightly overused, but is he wrong in this instance? Her character was very stereotypical yet she brought a cadence and nuance to it that made it really endearing and lovable. The script couldn't carry that character on its own merits. Don either.
Madmen was essentially all about what the actors could sell. I can see on paper this show coming off as very droll, as the lead is so stoic. None of these performances were midtier, not a single one of them. They were all A-game performances. It's what carried the show through so many... rather difficult to enjoy seasons.
@@StudioMod They can't articulate it the way you just did, though. They have to say "masterclass" because video essays and reddit posts tell them how to think; they don't have orignal thoughts.
Peggy was always the Female lead of this show
It was always her and Don, Meg, Betty were clearly Supports
Don might have been the main character, but Peggy was the hero.
One of the best female characters of all time imo
She's a self righteous, judgemental, entitled troll
She was. 2nd in the credits
The hands touching. Their bond. The final scene in The Suitcase. The moment she quits in The Other Woman.
Mad Men is pure narrative excellence.
Apparently his hand was broken during the filming, and on an earlier take despite him warning her, Elizabeth Moss, shook his hand in earnest. (She thought he was joking). Jon Hamm talked about it on Conan, I feel bad for laughing about it
Yes. I came for that.
1:17 LMAO the way he says "Excuse Me?" is intimidating asf.
There so many layers in this scene. The director capture many frames into a masterpiece.
I love Duck's expression. He could care less about the creative side or the accounts success. It's all about new business.
The funny thing is maybe Don didnt actually want Peggy to be a copywriter but to piss Pete Campbell. 😂😂😂😂
That's pretty much what I thought... Kinda a Douche move but she deserved it
He 100% did just thought it would be fun for him to do it in front of Pete as a power move
@@rohunsaigal2576 and who can blame him. I'm watching Mad Men for the second time and I hate Pete even more this time round!
@@rorz999 😂😂😂😂😂
Ken Cosgrove always had more class than all these guys. Sure he got caught up in things, but he was a better man than the rest.
Duck watching her leave like 👀
I forgot about poor Peggy's fat suit early on.
This was good experience for learning how to be a rebel handmaid.
I've watched this series now 3 times since it aired. This is a reminder, after all the accumulative tat now infesting TV and streaming sites, that I need to go back and watch it a 4th time. 😉
Ironically, I think she’s pregnant with Pete’s baby at this point.
I just rewatched this episode last night. She gives birth to their child in the very next scene
yes you can tell with the "overweight" makeup that they put her in for the pregnancy, its easy to tell.
shes wearing prosthetics to look overweight
I think in this scene Jon Hamm's hand was broken and he asked her to shake hands "kindly". But Moss thought he was joking, so she made a firm handshake. Hamm says it was so painful that he actually hit his knee to the desk and almost broke the character!
Oh boy, WHAT a fall Duck had.
@1:58 glance draper gives cambell(it looks like)
Most definitely.
Jon Hamm's right hand was apparently broken in this scene. He used a removable cast and had to be very careful when shaking hands with Elizabeth Moss
I think this might be Duck and Peggy’s first scene. Here he is seeing her as Don’s shining creation. Foreshadowing their relationship triangle.
Peggy was gonna be the lead on that account regardless of what was said, Pete Campbell calling out Don is why he got emasculated in front of his peers.
Mad Men was a show about Peggy Olsen with everyone else as NPCs
Don’s rise to the top of the Advertising world is a joke to you?
No it wasn't
Its weird watching this knowing she'll be his boss one day
You forget that Pete knocked her up. Creep.
Lol @ the spoonfed account manager thinking he has any idea what good copy is
Not some little girl who’ll walk away. Because that’s what most women did those days. They worked a bit, then got married and walked away. I can empathise with Pete a bit here.
Like the Carousel, you are projecting.
god they're all so different in the beginning
I just did a rewatch and they change so subtly over the seasons that you don’t even realize it until you go back to the earlier scenes. For them to be able to do that so organically speaks volumes to the character development they pulled off
She gained a lot of weight over the span of a few seasons.
In this exact scene she looked so big because she was pregnant with Pete's baby.
Oh okay.. so was it intentional? Sometimes you gotta wonder whether the writing in a show accommodates unplanned actor issues or if it’s the opposite. For example, remember how much weight Walt’s wife gained while shooting Breaking Bad? Better yet, remember how fat Todd got when they shot the epilogue movie El Camino? But maybe you’re right about it being intentional with Peggy.
@@JasonVictorEverett I think it was prosthetics making her look this way for the storyline. The same way as when they made Betty fat but January Jones was always her petite self. Also Skylar was probably the worst person on Breaking Bad and that's saying something! Lol!
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Lol she definitely could be self-serving !
@@JasonVictorEverett It's pretty bad that her Karen levels could surpass hardcore drug kingpins. LOL! The absolute coldest moment on that show to me was when she told Walt so blatantly about her and Ted. Dude that was just straight up cold.