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Weiner is a male feminist. His TV program shows that. It isn't a coincidence that when the contraception pill and office jobs came along that women finally changed their minds about working outside the house. It wasn't really progress at all. Just women taking advantage of an easier technological lifestyle.
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I really hope you are being sarcastic. Well yes she managed to get away from a farm, but did she really reach her full potential. There is nothing wrong with being a secretary if that’s what she wanted, but did anyone ask her.? Was she happy in her allocated role, was she really capable of being an astronaut and didn’t get the opportunity? . In fact did she want to stay on the farm but that was economically impossible. Or couldn’t manage the farm without a husband and was held back because of gender expectations. You have missed the whole point of Peggy’s story arc of you think the only thing she was capable of was being a secretary. Again she may have been really happy with her life, but I don’t think her eulogy by an old man should define her life.
LS Yeung and Peggy did try that sexier out for a bit but found it wasn't her. I figured that Bobbie was telling her that she had to find her own path and stick to it.
Maya K Well it was up to Peggy to figure out that being a sex object wasn't going to get her far. What she took from Bobbie was that she cannot Fade Into the background and pretend to be a man. she needed me the kind of grown ass woman who treats Don as her equal rather that her superior
What do yall think Bobbie was implying when she said "don't try to be a man, be a woman"? Given the context of who Bobbie is, it's obvious to me that she meant "don't be too masculine, be feminine (i.e. sexy, like Bobbie herself)" instead. If she wanted Peggy to act more powerful, she would have said that, and the gender comments wouldn't have come into play.
I really liked how they didn't go the typical route of her feeling guilt and eventually wanting to be part of her child's life at some point... She literally never looked back, and continued to climb the latter of success. It was realistic.
@@amorepsyche808 why are you angry with her tho? that's literally what pro lifers want you to do instead of aborting the baby... and that's what peggy does! You don't see men crying about wanting to be part of their child's lives...
@@zurzakne-etra7069 its different men don’t nurse babies and in most species the female is the only care giver… we are animals in some parts and even animals don’t abandon their children but they give their lives for them! Have u ever seen a tiger mother what can do if u come close to her cubs? She will kill u instantly… I am not pro life bullshxit, I am pro responsibility! If u opened your legs and had your unprotected fun, now comes the moment to pay the price, you brought the baby in this planet and YOU now defend it with your life.. there are consequences to your stupid actions
@@amorepsyche808bro cool your tits and chill . Hope you had 1000 kids and been there till their death n took care of them n never let them live their lives
Peggy is one of my favourite characters. She stayed true to her values the whole way through. That scene in the last episode with her roller skating and roger playing the organ piano was a visceral one. The feels
xMooshy she stayed true to herself even when the world was trying to keep her in a box. Her mother and her sister and Don and Joan and most of her boyfriends and the guys at work. But she stayed true to herself and she found someone who grew to like her for who she is rather than some Persona she perfected. I actually feel sad about why John has a hard time finding guys who truly like her for who she is and not for what she looks like
@Donkey Bellerin She was a woman, a flawed one but a woman nonetheless. Peggy was ambitious, career driven and hard working, she's not perfect human being but good shows are not made of perfect people but interesting ones.
@GuildBankLooter Don noticed the talent of a good copywriter in Peggy when she came up with the idea of Belle Jolie lipstick. He was essentially her boss because she was his assistant and so he had the authority to give her a promotion noticing her talent. Pete was an account executive and his lack of liking for Don and vice versa are not related. It was an employer employee situation and Don respected that Peggy came from a humble background too.
@@ananya1721 Actually it was Fred who first noticed her talent for ad slogans with "basket of kisses". Fred took it to Don and Don took it from there. But Don's no dummy. Once he knew to start looking at Peggy in a new light he noticed what she was capable of and started giving her opportunities to show what she could do. Ironically, it was Fred's downfall that led to Peggy making a significant jump.
She clearly is the protagonist. She's in every episode, has a clear arc from start to finish and the changing of the times is reflected upon her. Don is just a monolith (or dare I say... manolith?) who is withered away slowly but steadily. He remains the same, becoming ever more useless as the time goes on.
I was trained by 2 Peggys in a similar industry back in the early 90s. Peggy's journey and experience reflects so much of what those women went through, at least from the stories told. Watching this show gave me a whole new level of respect for them. Thanks Willie and Cecelia!
Peggy IS MadMen. We literally learn everything we really need to know through her. I was in this business. I know how it works. Peggy is also the best at her job.
She showed a great balance of talent and discipline. Don had more confidence and acumen. Ginsberg was more talented. It depends on what you class as 'good at your job.'
Ehhh, Don was the embodiment of “MadMen” Peggy was important because of her relationship to Don and how she contributed to his story, without Don, Peggy would be no one and this is clearly said over and over again throughout the show with Peggy always trying to reach the status that Don has but she could never be what he is, a “MadMen”
Dani Ochoa 601 people disagree with you. Mad Men is a show, a fictional story, which WE the audience experience THROUGH Peggy, through her experiences, through her eyes, and through her progress. That’s obvious. The Don character is a fake. He’s assuming a dead man’s identity. He embodies the BUSINESS that Mad Men portrays. He’s fake. It is fake. Whilst the Peggy character is of course not actually real, she is authentic in her dealings with the world, except for hiding the fact that Pete got her pregnant and she had his child. It’s a story. Not real.
@@G58 601 disagree but the majority of fans agree, the story follows Don, it’s pretty obvious bc of the screen time, Don is in every episode and all the characters have scenes that contribute to his story, we see way more of Don’s family, more of Don’s romantic interests, the ending shot is Don, the first shot of the series is Don, not Peggy’s, when Peggy leaves the agency to go work for Ted, we don’t even see her and that’s bc Peggy’s perspective isn’t who we experience the story from, we knew about Don’s past wayyyy before Peggy found out, Peggy is important bc of what she attributes to Don, when she leaves and no longer influences Don’s life that much, we don’t really see much of her, I get it’s a story but the story is from Don’s perspective, even Weiner has said that Don is the narrator of the story and the perspective we follow, the shows literally called “MadMen” after Don, he’s said this multiple times
Elisabeth Moss played Peggy so well that you could actually *see* the indecision & hesitation for the choices she makes, and also showing strength in following her intuition. Love Elisabeth Moss. Peggy is a rebel, and to see her progress in a "man's world" made me proud. Love Peggy. Great review, again, ladies. Thanks. 😊❤️
and....? Scientology is no different than any other organized religion. And if you think that's untrue then you are very naive! They are all about money, just ask Joel Osteen.
Yes it's a shame these videos focus solely on the characters because without Elisabeth Moss Peggy wouldn't have come alive. It's easy to forget how good she is because she's so damn believable.
"She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the 37th floor of a skyscraper. She's an astronaut." Just imagine the change we've gone through in society from then to now. Incredible. We take it for granted that in the 1900s, so many people had no electricity, had to shit in an outhouse, and travel by horse or walk.
True. I just googled, and apparently the oldest living person today is a Japanese woman; 115 years old. The amount of radical change in culture, societal norms, technology and history she witnessed during her life is just absolutely incredible. Like you said, it is possible that she grew up without access to electricity, and now she lives in a world of jet planes, smartphones, nuclear reactors and skyscrapers.
Peggy Olson is probably my favourite female TV character of all time - I definitely think she undergoes the best development for a female TV character I’ve ever seen!
I love Peggy ,even though as a black woman this time was a different for us and still is ,but I still am inspired by women like Peggy. Today I love seeing women of color being the astronauts of today :)
@monokhem eh its would be easier to sell someone on the sopranos than on mad men. I would say that Mad Men as better writting but that Sopranos is more entertaining.
i don't understand how we are equating peggy's weight gain as a response to men rather than to the fact that _she was pregnant the whole time._ pregnant women tend to gain weight during pregnancy, yes?
k a y l e e yes, but she was unaware of her pregnancy the entire time, Peggy stopped caring about her figure because she was tired of being sexualised over her body and didn’t put herself on display in the hopes the men in the office would move on or stop it
@@hexmaniacciaran Tired of being sexualized over her body and didn't put herself on display"? After Pete impregnated and then dumped her to marry Trudy, Peggy at a party did the new Twist dance that put her on display ... before Pete, who told her "I don't like you like this," then left in a huff.
@@JudgeJulieLit @HexManiacCiaran She was enjoying herself, it wasn't just about him. I also loved the color combo: lipstick, yellow kitten heels, lavender blouse, aqua green skirt.
The whole reason why she didn't realize she was pregnant until she was in labor was because she was rapidly gaining weight from stress. She began to stress eat to cope with being objectified in the workplace, as well as being the only ambitious woman at Sterling-Cooper.
After being completely out of touch with television shows for over 10 years because of divorce, immersing myself in my work, taking care of my kids on my days off, etc., when I first subscribed to a stream service MadMen was the first show I watched. I was blown away by the quality of the production, the writing, the acting, and how it was way better than most feature length films. MadMen will always have a special place in my heart as the first TV series to introduce me to the new era of quality television. I am re-watching it now. almost 10 years later and I must say that of all the videos I have watched from you, this was (surprisingly to me) by far the most interesting. She’s not even one of my favorite characters but I found this analysis to be profound in many ways. One quality that Peggy has that makes her more realistic is that she is not TV heroine beautiful, but ordinary. And that even makes her story more poignant and believable. Thank you for this analysis, it was very moving!
That moment when Peggy and Peter see each other from the distance as Pete enters the elevator, and she knows he's going to have a baby ... gave me the chills that scene
You'll get there. Keep pushing yourself beyond your comfort zone, even in small ways. And with experience will come more confidence. It's the best part of getting older.
In the scene where you note that Peggy mimics Don in the opening she's wearing pants, which is no coincidence. It was a symbol of her taking charge, and it was a big freaking deal at the time for any woman to wear them to work.
I've been waiting for this!! Peggy has to be my favorite character from any TV show of all time. Mad Men is also my favorite TV of all time so it makes sense! Great work guys!!!
As a teenager I would really be interested on an analysis on young adult novels, and how they shape generations of youths. What is it's significance on youth culture? Why do they display a romanticized and sexualized version of relationships between two of its main protagonists? I would really be interested in this. Please I would really appreciate it!!!! Have a great day and thanks!!!
Marley Jervis i dont think they have much of an impact, there arent many new ideas in them for the most part they kind of repackage eachothers ideas. Idk in general the "youth" are just being sold things like any other generation in the usa. Just a fucking market. Not much substance passed the commercials. Maybe our "cultures" lack of impact has an impact. I just kind of dismiss the whole "young adult" thing anyway, just a sticker to slap on your childrens book. Im just being harsh now but i guess just in general experiencing "youth culture" myself shit just hasnt really striked me or changed my outlooks, just makes me bored
_conlanger_ yeah i can feel that. I have issues with them for those reasons, the whole capitalizing on other genres is a pretty interesting observation. Genre doesnt matter once you get into the thick of the good stuff, genres always are named after the art ya know but it always seems more like tropes with YA novels in general instead of stuff that seems to develop into its own new genre i guess you could say, they become stuck in the genres they pull from
Peggy was a credible and marvelous character. Much of Mad men sees the empowerment of women and Peggy and Joan embody this. Peggy's relationships were fascinating. It seems she brought out honesty in people despite themselves, even the cynical Bobbie Barrett. The relationship with Don was again believable and fascinating to watch. That she ended up with Stan was in ways amusing but delightful. Mad Men is the finest television series I have ever seen.
I enjoyed this episode and the other character analyses you feature. As a black woman, my only quibble with this episode is that you can't extrapolate Peggy's progress with that of "all" women. Her journey is symbolic of certain white women of that era. You dangle the hope of someone like Dawn being the astronaut of the next generation. That is problematic. It makes it seem like if white women progress in the workplace, then others, especially women of color will gain. I know for sure it doesn't happen that way. Nevertheless, again, thank you for this episode.
I think you're right, but I think they dangled it like that to reflect the era; in early seasons, the Civil Rights movement, when it was mentioned, most characters basically seem to think it was a nusicance, not the landmark we now know it was. In the episode with "Negros" outside protesting & wanting work, most people didn't seem to like it and Don shrugged & was like "just hire one; who cares?" Don was great in that way; he encouraged Peggy, had no qualms hiring people of color & didn't expose a gay co-worker. Those are huge given the time period. Do I think modern feminism has not done enough to include people of color? Yes. Do I think it's changing? Yes.
That's a very generous interpretation and I'm old enough to know better. Juxtapose the movie "Hidden Figures" which dealt with extremely intelligent African American women who fought the presumptions of white men and white women in the workplace during the same era as Mad Men. Peggy would have been honored and maybe even felt at home to be in the company of those three women. It's only changing now because women of color are no longer playing respectability politics as a matter of survival.
And, now we are learning about so many people of color/gender who contributed to the many aspects of US history that were never celebrated before. They persevered, protested, and refused to fall in line. It might have not been outright refusal to behave the expected societal norms, but they did impact history, technology, culture, etc. We stand on their shoulders today even if we don't know their names.
God even just seeing a snippet of Peggy giving Don her notice makes me misty eyed. Such a masterpiece of a show. I’ve rewatched it every year since it went off the air and it looks like it’s time again.
At the ad agency Peggy was far from the most talented ad creator. She was basically someone driven by a need for power in the workplace, always focused on issues of hierarchy and status, not on visions or broader issues of the wellbeing of humanity. Not innately an artist, she thus functions from a neurotic deficit, mainly as a sociopolitician. Her idea of triumphing over her past masochism is to become a sadist--never the right choice.
@@JudgeJulieLit meritocracy is for an ideal world no one lives in. A need for power drives everybody to a certain extent and the problem is that society see it as toxic when that person is a woman. Who in this show isn't driven by power and who is focusing on humanity? It's an ad agency after all!
The amount of thought and research and care you put into these videos is astonishing. You ladies are an inspiration. Your channel deserves so much more recognition.
It’s so sad to see how at that time, all anyone had to do to “make it” was show up somewhere and be good at something. Nowadays, you can work 3x as hard as Peggy or Don and still be an intern.
Peggy were lucky and worked herself up. She was at the right position in the right time no-one wanted her as a copywriter in the beginning. Most women ended up as secretary's, nurse's or in some low paying clothing store job.
TheTruthIsRacist I live in the Egypt (aka the mena region) and it’s not the shithole people think it is. You can work twice as hard as any of those characters in a top law firm in Egypt and unless there’s some shady business going on you’re not getting promoted anytime soon. We deal with the same problems as you guys
TheTruthIsRacist go fuck yourself don’t act like you give a shit about people when u think racisms good and drive the system that impoverishes countries just off yourself
Out of all the characters, male and female, she is the one who changed the most by the end of the series. Can you do one on Trudy Campbell and her obsessive need to get what ever she wants to the point of being covertly agressive and yet she is never satisfied. If women had "the newest toy" she had to have it too.
I would love a Mad Men spin off...or maybe just bring Mad Men back! I miss Mad Men!!! This whole video on Peggy was amazing and taught me things about her and gave me a newfound respect for her.I love Peggy!!!
I would love to see how the characters continued to adapt to a rapidly changing world, into the increasingly digital era of the 80's and 90's. My BF and I were watching on Netflix and did not realize we'd seen the last episode until the credits. I'm especially interested in how Sally's arc would continue, losing Betty and finishing high school, how she would get her start as an adult. It was just an overall fascinating show and while in some ways it's good that they ended where they did, it also felt like there was more to the story to tell. A Sally spinoff, a movie or short series bringing the characters up to a more modern era (maybe 80's/90's? Sally has kids?) would both feel like a good response. Picking up where they left off would be more difficult considering how much everyone has aged, especially the kids.
It sadenss me deeply how some people in the comments of video regarding Peggy Olsen are arguing about which is the right way to be feminist. Such a nuanced cause, and there are so many people convinced that they know how to make the world better for everyone. Feminism is not trying to solve the problems of every woman in the world: it defends the right of women to defend themselves. A black woman, asian woman, trans woman, old woman, little woman, poor woman, every single woman has a diferent experience with a wide variety of issues, whether global or individual. You can't make them happy with just one political sweep, because that is unrealistic and not the point at all. Women can stand on their own, just like men. Women can ask for help, just like men. And we should recognize that not because they are women, but because they are human, and respect should be the norm and not something a human has to constantly fight for.
I was taking your comment seriously until you talked about trans woman. Trans woman are men who grew up with the privileges of being men. They didn't suffer the inequality as someone who was born and grown as a woman.
I absolutely love your Mad Men content! Especially during quarantine haha. I was wondering if you guys could possibly do a video on Henry Francis? Obviously not a major character, but I was always captured by his screen time. How he represented essentially everything that Don wasn't. His loyalty to Betty during trying times and his affection towards her children. The scene where he falls to tears after telling Sally the bad news? Heartbreaking. Henry's mother was also very entertaining. Those two never get their deserved mentions!
Great work on all Mad Men episodes until now. Definitely hope to see more, and although it might be an unpopular opinion, I'd love to see one of Trudy Campbell. When I first watched Mad Men in high school, I found her annoying and unlikable, but a second viewing much later helped me see her for what she truly was: smart, adaptable, and very aware of what she needs or wants, and how to get it.
Peggy doesn't just represent the best parts of Don, but she - being an outsider to the world who rises against insurmountable odds according to her merits - represents a hope for Dick Whitman having a place in this world. Her successes validate Don's existence here whether they're both aware of that or not.
Peggy is so, so sweet. I identified and felt with her so much, for her to go through all she did and stay sweet and good hearted spoke a lot about her.
A very deep and thought provoking video. I had always heard the theory of Peggy being the secret protagonist of this show, but now it makes me rethink everything I saw on Mad Men
I always envisioned the show ending with her in a jump to the future like 1990 or something like that, running her own company, driving trough Manhattan in the back of a limousine giving an interview to a young journalist and Peggy tells him/her about all the shit she had to cope with back in the day.
I can't believe they did not point out (no pun intended) Peggy's big red thermos bottle. it was always with her in the background at the office, was in the foreground constantly as well, and, over the years, she always took it with her in all her moves... to me this was the singular most symbolic visual element of assertiveness and masculinity for Peggy throughout the series. A prominent visual cue of how nourishing work, self-interest, ambition and achievement were to Peggy; while them men were satiating themselves with mind numbing escapism and emotional avoidance of alcohol. It was also fun to see that throughout the series, the bottle seemed to clash with the cool blues and Pinks of decor in the early 60's, and later become integrated into the warm reds, oranges, yellows and green earth tones of the late 60s and early 70s.. probably symbolizing the move from outlier to insider. This series is so replete with imagery, color and beauty. a true artistic masterpiece. I watch it over and over and over...
honestly that scene with Peggy talking to her boyfriend at the bar kinda made me understand why so many white women in America at that time were so vitriolic and hateful towards black people especially when it came to things like the Little Rock 9 and stuff. they were projecting their own displeasure and frustrations with the way things were onto them. being white was the only power they felt they had in society. too bad they forgot that black women exist who have to deal with the exact same sexism they face while also having to deal with racism on top of it.
this is why white supremacy and patriarchy are bad for everyone. it pits marginalized groups against one another, depending on how close they are to the non-marginalized elite.
Peggy was the character I was most proud of and one of the very few that I rarely ever got pissed off at. She's probably the strongest character in the series. She didn't have Joan's triple D's to throw around or Betty's Barbie Doll-like looks. She was just plain old damned smart, determined and did it on her own. I was kind of hoping she would go with Joan to start their own business.
I never liked her. Or maybe it's just the actress. She always looks like she's on the verge of being offended again, she seems cold with a fake smile. Quite hostile most of the time with screwed up priorities: Give up a child to have a career? She is just as much of a prick as the boys are, it's just that she's an underdog prick. For me, she was the cringe part of the show, I'll take that asshole Roger Sterling over her anytime, at least he's somewhat funny when he's drunk.
Definitely how her character was written. I've only seen her in a couple of other movies so I think it's how Michael Weiner wrote her part (Never saw Handmaid's Tale). She did seem fake at times. I don't blame her for the attitude. I can't imagine competing with guys in the early 60's if you're trying to move up. Roger was my favorite. All the best lines!
@@seanmulligan2608 I think it is also the actress. I've seen her in other movies and her eyes always have that expression of lack of kindness and her mouth is shaped in a form that tells you that you are not worthy of a genuine smile. I believe they could have cast a better actress for this complicated character.
Question Sceenprism do you think you might do a video of Pete Campbell. I know that allot of people don't like him and rightfully so, but I think he was a fascinating Character.
I love your analysis of the characters on Mad Men. How about Sally? What is was like to grow up during a time of great change both in society and her home life. How her Don and Betty, as well as her relationships with friends influenced her. Don's honesty with her about his childhood. The complicated mother/daughter relationship between them as well as how Betty's death, that left her to raise her brothers. Sally was a one of the most fully developed complex character on the show. That would make an interesting video. I really look forward to your thoughts on Sally.
I'm so fascinated by the progress we've made with women in the work place. Is it perfect? No, nothing ever will be. But I currently work at a corporate office that is woman dominated, even in a conservative state. I work almost exclusively with women and the majority of leadership roles are held by women. Shows like this remind me that this has not always been the case.
I liked and admired the character, Peggy Olsen - you watched her grow in each episode and season. A great show, Mad Men. A credit to the creators, writers and producers.
I work in an office that still operates like this. All 16 executives are men of similar age and race. I've been a receptionist here for 3 years - there's no way I'd be taken seriously if I asked for a promotion into a higher field; I don't have a 'Don' in my corner. Some businesses just don't move with the times.
I swear u guys do the most profound and spot on analysis of my all time favorite shows! So glad I discovered this channel. And Elisabeth Moss is an amazing actress, can't wait to see more of her
I forgot about a lot of Peggy’s absolutely killer lines during her character development. Even though I’ve watched this show 4 times I sort of lose track of Peggy’s character. I feel like I want to watch the show again now for a 5th time to pay more attention to her haha. She really is such a GREAT character
My late mother was satisfied as a seamstress in the West Side of lower Manhattan Garment District from 1957 til 1961. Later she worked the same thing in Richmond Hill by the Van Wyck Expressway which divides Richmond Hill from Jamaica in Queens, one of the 5 boroughs of NYC.
Narrator: “But the show keeps reminding us that people in her time didn’t always understand her.” Freddie: “It was like watching a dog play piano.” Hahaha brilliant editing job there
I am a man and i feel inspired by Peggy. I work at a Law Firm and I have a similar (although much less dramatic) relationship with my boss, i learn so much from him everyday but i yet hope to one day surpass him in knowledge and experience in the same fashion Peggy did.
I can't watch this video yet but I came here to say that I started watching Mad Men just so I could! I'm on season 2, episode 3. Thank you. Wouldn't have watched otherwise, and I'm obsessed!
I love the scene where she and Don are dancing to My Way in the office. I was binge-watching the season and had to pause before the next episode to think about it. In a strenuous time in their relationship, where Peggy was acting as Don's boss, I just think it was beautifully done. The lyrics can be representative of both Don and Peggy's arcs on the show. Although I'm sure Don has more than a few regrets.
As far as I remember, Heinz didn't choose Peggy's pitch over Don's That 'bought it in the room' clip was about a big firm going for one of the major agencies' pitches over either of theirs. That's when they decided to merge.
Shout at the TV game: when one of Don's secretaries messes up, yell YOU'RE NOT PEGGY AND YOU'LL NEVER BE PEGGY!!! can't wait for the Roger Sterling episode
Katarina Dulude I was actually surprised that there wasn't a video about Sally and Peggy being called rebellious daughters (as compared to Joan and Betty)
YES! Sally is one of my favorite characters on the show and I think that when she's mentioned, it's usually through the lense of how adults see & react to her. I also think it's worth analysis given that she's a child growing to a teen during this era, technically a Baby Boomer seeing the progress around her as normal.
Sally represents all the fucked-up spawn of the Baby Boomers, trying to find a new morality to replace the one her parents ruined. In my mental extension of Mad Men, Sally becomes a Playboy centerfold, gets knocked up by the quarterback and spends the rest of her life as a bitchier extension of her mother, drifting in and out of relationships and rehab. Not much to emulate, true, but it's the story of 1000s of women her age.
I’m currently watching season 7 and I’ve got to say that I love Peggy Olson’s character development. She went through a lot! She and Rodger Sterling are my two favorite characters besides Don.
This series is so wonderful and for several different reasons, one of them for sure is the character Peggy. Marvelous analysis, you get the symbologies very well.
Loved how Don and Peggy seemed to have developed a wonderful relationship, especially when he acknowledged her talent , he was more like an older caring brother
Thank you for allowing me to relive one of the most beautiful underdog stories I've watched on television. Since episode one I've rooted for her, she was always the protagonist in my heart. I love how real her storyline feels. I love how she overcame all the obstacles barring her ascension. Some clips also remind us of how some men have kept the same pig mentality of the 60's.
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Weiner is a male feminist. His TV program shows that. It isn't a coincidence that when the contraception pill and office jobs came along that women finally changed their minds about working outside the house. It wasn't really progress at all. Just women taking advantage of an easier technological lifestyle.
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I would love to see you do one of these character breakdowns of Stan Rizzo.
Notice her voice in the early season is soft and modest and over the season it matured got strong.
OMG also reminds me of how Joan would talk in earlier seasons especially with some men versus how she embraced her strong, capable nature
YES! Finally I thought it was just me. Season 4 is the shift.
Yes exactly and to me Don's voice kept getting weaker / raspy etc as if he was "dying".
And more full of herself
Same thing for Betty.
"She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the 37th floor of a skyscraper... She's an astronaut." Beautiful.
I too, loved that line. It's brilliant.
Amazing.
Ida Blankenship.
I really hope you are being sarcastic.
Well yes she managed to get away from a farm, but did she really reach her full potential. There is nothing wrong with being a secretary if that’s what she wanted, but did anyone ask her.? Was she happy in her allocated role, was she really capable of being an astronaut and didn’t get the opportunity? . In fact did she want to stay on the farm but that was economically impossible. Or couldn’t manage the farm without a husband and was held back because of gender expectations.
You have missed the whole point of Peggy’s story arc of you think the only thing she was capable of was being a secretary. Again she may have been really happy with her life, but I don’t think her eulogy by an old man should define her life.
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Bobbie’s great advice to Peggy
“you can't be a man. Don't even try. Be a woman. It's powerful business, when done correctly.”
LS Yeung and Peggy did try that sexier out for a bit but found it wasn't her. I figured that Bobbie was telling her that she had to find her own path and stick to it.
It's not really good advice - it's the same sort of advice Joan offered her in season 1. Being seen as a sexy novelty piece won't get you far.
Maya K Well it was up to Peggy to figure out that being a sex object wasn't going to get her far. What she took from Bobbie was that she cannot Fade Into the background and pretend to be a man. she needed me the kind of grown ass woman who treats Don as her equal rather that her superior
Maya K being a powerful woman does not have to equal being a sexy woman.
What do yall think Bobbie was implying when she said "don't try to be a man, be a woman"? Given the context of who Bobbie is, it's obvious to me that she meant "don't be too masculine, be feminine (i.e. sexy, like Bobbie herself)" instead. If she wanted Peggy to act more powerful, she would have said that, and the gender comments wouldn't have come into play.
And after navigating 1960s sexism in New York, Offred faced 2010s sexism in Gilead, what a woman
Peter E LMAO
It’s June! Lmao
The Gilead sexism isn't even comparable though lol
After all of that, it's back to square one.
U win dude
I really liked how they didn't go the typical route of her feeling guilt and eventually wanting to be part of her child's life at some point... She literally never looked back, and continued to climb the latter of success. It was realistic.
@@amorepsyche808 why are you angry with her tho? that's literally what pro lifers want you to do instead of aborting the baby... and that's what peggy does! You don't see men crying about wanting to be part of their child's lives...
@@zurzakne-etra7069 its different men don’t nurse babies and in most species the female is the only care giver… we are animals in some parts and even animals don’t abandon their children but they give their lives for them! Have u ever seen a tiger mother what can do if u come close to her cubs? She will kill u instantly… I am not pro life bullshxit, I am pro responsibility! If u opened your legs and had your unprotected fun, now comes the moment to pay the price, you brought the baby in this planet and YOU now defend it with your life.. there are consequences to your stupid actions
@@amorepsyche808bro cool your tits and chill . Hope you had 1000 kids and been there till their death n took care of them n never let them live their lives
To be fair, it was a bit sociopathic.
We only see to 1970. I completely believe that she found him latter in life.
Peggy is one of my favourite characters. She stayed true to her values the whole way through. That scene in the last episode with her roller skating and roger playing the organ piano was a visceral one. The feels
xMooshy she stayed true to herself even when the world was trying to keep her in a box. Her mother and her sister and Don and Joan and most of her boyfriends and the guys at work. But she stayed true to herself and she found someone who grew to like her for who she is rather than some Persona she perfected. I actually feel sad about why John has a hard time finding guys who truly like her for who she is and not for what she looks like
You're forgetting the first couple of episodes where she let herself be pushed around. It was from that experience that she gained principles.
@Donkey Bellerin she's a flawed woman and that's interesting no one said she was perfect only true to herself
@Donkey Bellerin She was a woman, a flawed one but a woman nonetheless. Peggy was ambitious, career driven and hard working, she's not perfect human being but good shows are not made of perfect people but interesting ones.
Abandoning her child and putting career above all...shes an empty shell and a sad person
She also managed to buy her own place in New York City all by herself in the 1960s.
@GuildBankLooter Don noticed the talent of a good copywriter in Peggy when she came up with the idea of Belle Jolie lipstick. He was essentially her boss because she was his assistant and so he had the authority to give her a promotion noticing her talent. Pete was an account executive and his lack of liking for Don and vice versa are not related. It was an employer employee situation and Don respected that Peggy came from a humble background too.
@@ananya1721 Actually it was Fred who first noticed her talent for ad slogans with "basket of kisses". Fred took it to Don and Don took it from there. But Don's no dummy. Once he knew to start looking at Peggy in a new light he noticed what she was capable of and started giving her opportunities to show what she could do. Ironically, it was Fred's downfall that led to Peggy making a significant jump.
@@moeball740 Yes Fred discovered her talent and Don noticed it too and gave his blessing.
I think it’s harder to do that now though haha. But women’s salary was really low that time too
@@bigsistahtips Housing and cost of living would have been a bit more affordable but ofcourse she must've been paid much less than male copywriters.
"I'm Peggy Olson and I want to smoke some marijuana" is not only a great line, it shows how experimental and adventurous she is. WE LOVE PEGGY ❤️
Madeleine Acton then later when she says “I am so high.” 😭😂
Madeleine Acton p
and what's different is her putting herself out of her comfort zone, and doing something that's out of character
That scene!!! One of my favourites
Weird. I always thought Peggy *was* the protagonist. She has almost as much screen time as Don and has a much better arc.
Don is nice to stare at
I'm Fazzou LOL no
She clearly is the protagonist. She's in every episode, has a clear arc from start to finish and the changing of the times is reflected upon her. Don is just a monolith (or dare I say... manolith?) who is withered away slowly but steadily. He remains the same, becoming ever more useless as the time goes on.
@@DrZaius3141 you are clearly wrong
DrZaius3141 way off. way way off.
I was trained by 2 Peggys in a similar industry back in the early 90s. Peggy's journey and experience reflects so much of what those women went through, at least from the stories told. Watching this show gave me a whole new level of respect for them. Thanks Willie and Cecelia!
Peggy IS MadMen. We literally learn everything we really need to know through her. I was in this business. I know how it works. Peggy is also the best at her job.
monokhem HA! ..false
She showed a great balance of talent and discipline. Don had more confidence and acumen. Ginsberg was more talented. It depends on what you class as 'good at your job.'
Ehhh, Don was the embodiment of “MadMen” Peggy was important because of her relationship to Don and how she contributed to his story, without Don, Peggy would be no one and this is clearly said over and over again throughout the show with Peggy always trying to reach the status that Don has but she could never be what he is, a “MadMen”
Dani Ochoa 601 people disagree with you. Mad Men is a show, a fictional story, which WE the audience experience THROUGH Peggy, through her experiences, through her eyes, and through her progress. That’s obvious.
The Don character is a fake. He’s assuming a dead man’s identity. He embodies the BUSINESS that Mad Men portrays. He’s fake. It is fake.
Whilst the Peggy character is of course not actually real, she is authentic in her dealings with the world, except for hiding the fact that Pete got her pregnant and she had his child.
It’s a story. Not real.
@@G58 601 disagree but the majority of fans agree, the story follows Don, it’s pretty obvious bc of the screen time, Don is in every episode and all the characters have scenes that contribute to his story, we see way more of Don’s family, more of Don’s romantic interests, the ending shot is Don, the first shot of the series is Don, not Peggy’s, when Peggy leaves the agency to go work for Ted, we don’t even see her and that’s bc Peggy’s perspective isn’t who we experience the story from, we knew about Don’s past wayyyy before Peggy found out, Peggy is important bc of what she attributes to Don, when she leaves and no longer influences Don’s life that much, we don’t really see much of her, I get it’s a story but the story is from Don’s perspective, even Weiner has said that Don is the narrator of the story and the perspective we follow, the shows literally called “MadMen” after Don, he’s said this multiple times
Elisabeth Moss played Peggy so well that you could actually *see* the indecision & hesitation for the choices she makes, and also showing strength in following her intuition. Love Elisabeth Moss. Peggy is a rebel, and to see her progress in a "man's world" made me proud. Love Peggy. Great review, again, ladies. Thanks. 😊❤️
Thank you for spelling her name correctly lol. Everyone keeps spelling her name as "Elizabeth" and it's really driving me up a wall lmao!
Albert Camus would be so proud.
Too bad Moss is a Scientologist! She supports a cult which is ironic since The Handmaid's Tale is eerily similar to Scientology.
Peggy turned into Joan
I can't think of anything she has been in that I did not love.
Peggy and Don are one of my favorite platonic relationships.
Liz and Jack's ain't too shabby either ;)
Imagine if Don sabotaged Peggy and got her fired. It happens all the time.
a mentor as she says
yes!
Elizabeth moss should get a award every time she is on TV, that's my opinion
she's a scientologist though
ZoeSomething so you shouldn’t judge someone based on religion
@@Jrr592 i get what you're saying but it's like actually a cult though
and....? Scientology is no different than any other organized religion. And if you think that's untrue then you are very naive! They are all about money, just ask Joel Osteen.
Yes it's a shame these videos focus solely on the characters because without Elisabeth Moss Peggy wouldn't have come alive. It's easy to forget how good she is because she's so damn believable.
Mad Men being my favorite show i LOVE these analysis, one on Roger would be great
HaliniSnow I'm waiting for some Pete Campbell!
Peter too of course
Roger
Do it
And Pete Campbell
"She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the 37th floor of a skyscraper. She's an astronaut."
Just imagine the change we've gone through in society from then to now. Incredible. We take it for granted that in the 1900s, so many people had no electricity, had to shit in an outhouse, and travel by horse or walk.
True. I just googled, and apparently the oldest living person today is a Japanese woman; 115 years old. The amount of radical change in culture, societal norms, technology and history she witnessed during her life is just absolutely incredible. Like you said, it is possible that she grew up without access to electricity, and now she lives in a world of jet planes, smartphones, nuclear reactors and skyscrapers.
Josh Derak Frankly the way we changed from the 1900s to the 1950s would have been quite amazing to witness
@@antred11 She was born in 1903 (five years after Ida Blankenship), when the Wright brothers flew the first airplane.
One of my favourite quotes of the show.
Truth
Peggy Olson is probably my favourite female TV character of all time - I definitely think she undergoes the best development for a female TV character I’ve ever seen!
I love Peggy ,even though as a black woman this time was a different for us and still is ,but I still am inspired by women like Peggy. Today I love seeing women of color being the astronauts of today :)
Mad men: The Godfather of series with amazing character development
Emma thats the Sopranos actually.
@Joey Stalone facts but i was talking about which show started the golden age.
@@emmanuelmondesir1314 The two are from the same producer, so I guess Matthew Weiner is the Godfather of series ^^
@@gaspardp7314 better
@monokhem eh its would be easier to sell someone on the sopranos than on mad men. I would say that Mad Men as better writting but that Sopranos is more entertaining.
i don't understand how we are equating peggy's weight gain as a response to men rather than to the fact that _she was pregnant the whole time._ pregnant women tend to gain weight during pregnancy, yes?
k a y l e e yes, but she was unaware of her pregnancy the entire time, Peggy stopped caring about her figure because she was tired of being sexualised over her body and didn’t put herself on display in the hopes the men in the office would move on or stop it
@C B Yes, pregnant women gain weight due to pregnancy hormones, which moreover drive them to "eat for two."
@@hexmaniacciaran Tired of being sexualized over her body and didn't put herself on display"? After Pete impregnated and then dumped her to marry Trudy, Peggy at a party did the new Twist dance that put her on display ... before Pete, who told her "I don't like you like this," then left in a huff.
@@JudgeJulieLit @HexManiacCiaran She was enjoying herself, it wasn't just about him. I also loved the color combo: lipstick, yellow kitten heels, lavender blouse, aqua green skirt.
The whole reason why she didn't realize she was pregnant until she was in labor was because she was rapidly gaining weight from stress. She began to stress eat to cope with being objectified in the workplace, as well as being the only ambitious woman at Sterling-Cooper.
After being completely out of touch with television shows for over 10 years because of divorce, immersing myself in my work, taking care of my kids on my days off, etc., when I first subscribed to a stream service MadMen was the first show I watched. I was blown away by the quality of the production, the writing, the acting, and how it was way better than most feature length films. MadMen will always have a special place in my heart as the first TV series to introduce me to the new era of quality television. I am re-watching it now. almost 10 years later and I must say that of all the videos I have watched from you, this was (surprisingly to me) by far the most interesting. She’s not even one of my favorite characters but I found this analysis to be profound in many ways. One quality that Peggy has that makes her more realistic is that she is not TV heroine beautiful, but ordinary. And that even makes her story more poignant and believable. Thank you for this analysis, it was very moving!
Wow the hair budget was low AF for episode 1
Hahaha pilot episodes are usually low budget
Bar San it looked more realistic to me.
I think they were trying to make her look frumpy, because no one else looked that bad. I really couldn't stand looking at her in the first season.
Athena Onyx I have to agree with you. It wasn’t easy to look at her. As was asked: are you Amish?
@@AthenaOnyx This was an actual type of bangs that was popular, I have seen pics of Debbie Reynolds and Mamie Eisenhower with such.
Every now and then I watch this analysis. Peggy's journey is so inspiring. She's one of the best characters of all time.
Except the child abandoment
Her final scene is so powerful and uplifting.
"You might be the next woman to land on the moon". These words brought tears to my eyes
I'm literally crying. finished mad men last night. the most beautiful thing. Peggy is my best, so happy for her
Hey
Except the child abandoment
She gave her child up for adoption. Hardly abandonment.@@anaspa2279
That moment when Peggy and Peter see each other from the distance as Pete enters the elevator, and she knows he's going to have a baby ... gave me the chills that scene
As an aspiring copywriter struggling with getting into an ad agency, this hit very close to home. I love you Peggy ❤️
God I'm so glad that my future daughter will be born in an era where she got to choose what she wanted to do with herself.
I discovered the show last week and finished the last episode of season 7 today. Amazing show
Anh Le you have way too much time on your hands. I'm so jelly :(
I've always heard about this show but I didn't know what it is about. I across this video analysis and I am now intrigued to watch it!
It is also *very* rewatchable. I usually go season 4-7 because the characters are so established by then.
Thats actually kinda sad
It took me a year to finish! How the heck
Whenever I feel lack of motivation, I visit this analysis clip, and I feel rile up again. Thanks girls.
She truly embodies the 1960's a time of rebellion, of change, and a time where glass ceiling were being shattered.
I wish I could become like her. I'm still in shy newbie phase.
eartianwerewolf It may not seem like it right now, but you will gain more confidence and find more of your voice.
You'll get there. Keep pushing yourself beyond your comfort zone, even in small ways. And with experience will come more confidence. It's the best part of getting older.
same! I'll just have to try to make myself try new things that are uncomfortable..
In the scene where you note that Peggy mimics Don in the opening she's wearing pants, which is no coincidence. It was a symbol of her taking charge, and it was a big freaking deal at the time for any woman to wear them to work.
I've been waiting for this!! Peggy has to be my favorite character from any TV show of all time. Mad Men is also my favorite TV of all time so it makes sense! Great work guys!!!
Mad Men has so much promise for analyses like this one for Peggy and past contributions from you guys. You structured this seamlessly 💫
As a teenager I would really be interested on an analysis on young adult novels, and how they shape generations of youths. What is it's significance on youth culture? Why do they display a romanticized and sexualized version of relationships between two of its main protagonists? I would really be interested in this. Please I would really appreciate it!!!! Have a great day and thanks!!!
I feel like a relationship would tend to be romantic and sexual anyway.
Marley Jervis i dont think they have much of an impact, there arent many new ideas in them for the most part they kind of repackage eachothers ideas. Idk in general the "youth" are just being sold things like any other generation in the usa. Just a fucking market. Not much substance passed the commercials. Maybe our "cultures" lack of impact has an impact. I just kind of dismiss the whole "young adult" thing anyway, just a sticker to slap on your childrens book. Im just being harsh now but i guess just in general experiencing "youth culture" myself shit just hasnt really striked me or changed my outlooks, just makes me bored
_conlanger_ yeah i can feel that. I have issues with them for those reasons, the whole capitalizing on other genres is a pretty interesting observation. Genre doesnt matter once you get into the thick of the good stuff, genres always are named after the art ya know but it always seems more like tropes with YA novels in general instead of stuff that seems to develop into its own new genre i guess you could say, they become stuck in the genres they pull from
Marley Jervis Lindsay Ellis just did a thing on Young Adult novels, it is one of the most popular genres
YA novel (most of them) suck.
Peggy was one of my favorite characters on that show.
Peggy was a credible and marvelous character. Much of Mad men sees the empowerment of women and Peggy and Joan embody this. Peggy's relationships were fascinating. It seems she brought out honesty in people despite themselves, even the cynical Bobbie Barrett. The relationship with Don was again believable and fascinating to watch. That she ended up with Stan was in ways amusing but delightful. Mad Men is the finest television series I have ever seen.
Peggy looked so different at the beginning of the series omg
I enjoyed this episode and the other character analyses you feature. As a black woman, my only quibble with this episode is that you can't extrapolate Peggy's progress with that of "all" women. Her journey is symbolic of certain white women of that era. You dangle the hope of someone like Dawn being the astronaut of the next generation. That is problematic. It makes it seem like if white women progress in the workplace, then others, especially women of color will gain. I know for sure it doesn't happen that way. Nevertheless, again, thank you for this episode.
Kerra Bolton I agree
I think you're right, but I think they dangled it like that to reflect the era; in early seasons, the Civil Rights movement, when it was mentioned, most characters basically seem to think it was a nusicance, not the landmark we now know it was. In the episode with "Negros" outside protesting & wanting work, most people didn't seem to like it and Don shrugged & was like "just hire one; who cares?" Don was great in that way; he encouraged Peggy, had no qualms hiring people of color & didn't expose a gay co-worker. Those are huge given the time period. Do I think modern feminism has not done enough to include people of color? Yes. Do I think it's changing? Yes.
Well said
That's a very generous interpretation and I'm old enough to know better. Juxtapose the movie "Hidden Figures" which dealt with extremely intelligent African American women who fought the presumptions of white men and white women in the workplace during the same era as Mad Men. Peggy would have been honored and maybe even felt at home to be in the company of those three women. It's only changing now because women of color are no longer playing respectability politics as a matter of survival.
And, now we are learning about so many people of color/gender who contributed to the many aspects of US history that were never celebrated before. They persevered, protested, and refused to fall in line. It might have not been outright refusal to behave the expected societal norms, but they did impact history, technology, culture, etc. We stand on their shoulders today even if we don't know their names.
She always reminded me of my mother (although she kept me). Status quo is a lost cause, plot your own course.
God even just seeing a snippet of Peggy giving Don her notice makes me misty eyed. Such a masterpiece of a show. I’ve rewatched it every year since it went off the air and it looks like it’s time again.
Margaret "Peggy" Olson
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i hate peggy, acting like a kid crying to Don because she doesnt get recognition of making ideas.
@@ifigo7591 And pitilessly refusing to cuddle or feed her newborn baby.
At the ad agency Peggy was far from the most talented ad creator. She was basically someone driven by a need for power in the workplace, always focused on issues of hierarchy and status, not on visions or broader issues of the wellbeing of humanity. Not innately an artist, she thus functions from a neurotic deficit, mainly as a sociopolitician. Her idea of triumphing over her past masochism is to become a sadist--never the right choice.
I had a love/ hate feelings toward her
@@JudgeJulieLit meritocracy is for an ideal world no one lives in. A need for power drives everybody to a certain extent and the problem is that society see it as toxic when that person is a woman. Who in this show isn't driven by power and who is focusing on humanity? It's an ad agency after all!
The term "astronaut" to describe a new generation on the rise is perfect.
The amount of thought and research and care you put into these videos is astonishing. You ladies are an inspiration. Your channel deserves so much more recognition.
It’s so sad to see how at that time, all anyone had to do to “make it” was show up somewhere and be good at something.
Nowadays, you can work 3x as hard as Peggy or Don and still be an intern.
Peggy were lucky and worked herself up. She was at the right position in the right time no-one wanted her as a copywriter in the beginning. Most women ended up as secretary's, nurse's or in some low paying clothing store job.
TheTruthIsRacist I live in the Egypt (aka the mena region) and it’s not the shithole people think it is. You can work twice as hard as any of those characters in a top law firm in Egypt and unless there’s some shady business going on you’re not getting promoted anytime soon. We deal with the same problems as you guys
TheTruthIsRacist take your shitty attitude somewhere else. no one wants that mentality here!
TheTruthIsRacist go fuck yourself don’t act like you give a shit about people when u think racisms good and drive the system that impoverishes countries just off yourself
TheTruthIsRacist i live in a 3rd world country, can I complain?
Out of all the characters, male and female, she is the one who changed the most by the end of the series. Can you do one on Trudy Campbell and her obsessive need to get what ever she wants to the point of being covertly agressive and yet she is never satisfied. If women had "the newest toy" she had to have it too.
Then Trudy emerged as a force to be reckoned with in dealing with Pete's infidelity. They were both shallow, but she did grow.
she wasn't a primary character enough to do an analysis on her
I. Loved Trudy
Lol, I hear “Dawn” every time she says “Don”.
Peggy Olson is a bright, intelligent, multi layered character brilliantly played by Elizabeth Moss.
Joan's paper bag advice is something Edith Head, longtime costumer for Paramount, came up with.
I would love a Mad Men spin off...or maybe just bring Mad Men back! I miss Mad Men!!!
This whole video on Peggy was amazing and taught me things about her and gave me a newfound respect for her.I love Peggy!!!
I would love to see how the characters continued to adapt to a rapidly changing world, into the increasingly digital era of the 80's and 90's. My BF and I were watching on Netflix and did not realize we'd seen the last episode until the credits. I'm especially interested in how Sally's arc would continue, losing Betty and finishing high school, how she would get her start as an adult. It was just an overall fascinating show and while in some ways it's good that they ended where they did, it also felt like there was more to the story to tell. A Sally spinoff, a movie or short series bringing the characters up to a more modern era (maybe 80's/90's? Sally has kids?) would both feel like a good response. Picking up where they left off would be more difficult considering how much everyone has aged, especially the kids.
The only character I could unconditionally empathize with through out
It sadenss me deeply how some people in the comments of video regarding Peggy Olsen are arguing about which is the right way to be feminist.
Such a nuanced cause, and there are so many people convinced that they know how to make the world better for everyone. Feminism is not trying to solve the problems of every woman in the world: it defends the right of women to defend themselves.
A black woman, asian woman, trans woman, old woman, little woman, poor woman, every single woman has a diferent experience with a wide variety of issues, whether global or individual. You can't make them happy with just one political sweep, because that is unrealistic and not the point at all.
Women can stand on their own, just like men.
Women can ask for help, just like men.
And we should recognize that not because they are women, but because they are human, and respect should be the norm and not something a human has to constantly fight for.
I found guys arguing about how they hate her because she didn't want to be a mother and put her kid for adoption...
I was taking your comment seriously until you talked about trans woman.
Trans woman are men who grew up with the privileges of being men. They didn't suffer the inequality as someone who was born and grown as a woman.
Ameen!
@@milk_cow_blues but they're suffering inequality of being a transgender, aren't they?
@@adwaitab.3622 Yeah, a lot of people suffer from inequality, but I'm saying trans people don't suffer the same as a woman.
Mad Men always like a masterfully crafted novel. The detail, the character development, the plot, everything.
I absolutely love your Mad Men content! Especially during quarantine haha. I was wondering if you guys could possibly do a video on Henry Francis? Obviously not a major character, but I was always captured by his screen time. How he represented essentially everything that Don wasn't. His loyalty to Betty during trying times and his affection towards her children. The scene where he falls to tears after telling Sally the bad news? Heartbreaking. Henry's mother was also very entertaining. Those two never get their deserved mentions!
Great work on all Mad Men episodes until now. Definitely hope to see more, and although it might be an unpopular opinion, I'd love to see one of Trudy Campbell. When I first watched Mad Men in high school, I found her annoying and unlikable, but a second viewing much later helped me see her for what she truly was: smart, adaptable, and very aware of what she needs or wants, and how to get it.
Peggy doesn't just represent the best parts of Don, but she - being an outsider to the world who rises against insurmountable odds according to her merits - represents a hope for Dick Whitman having a place in this world. Her successes validate Don's existence here whether they're both aware of that or not.
Peggy is so, so sweet. I identified and felt with her so much, for her to go through all she did and stay sweet and good hearted spoke a lot about her.
A very deep and thought provoking video. I had always heard the theory of Peggy being the secret protagonist of this show, but now it makes me rethink everything I saw on Mad Men
My heart roots for Peggy. I want next season established in 1980s with Creative Director Peggy Olson at the helm.
i could watch a hour of Peggy appreciation
Com certeza!! Kkkkkk
This was actually really inspiring to watch :D
definitely! I'm in college, and have so much anxiety about jobs and the world in general... this makes things better...
I always envisioned the show ending with her in a jump to the future like 1990 or something like that, running her own company, driving trough Manhattan in the back of a limousine giving an interview to a young journalist and Peggy tells him/her about all the shit she had to cope with back in the day.
omg yessss
I can't believe they did not point out (no pun intended) Peggy's big red thermos bottle. it was always with her in the background at the office, was in the foreground constantly as well, and, over the years, she always took it with her in all her moves... to me this was the singular most symbolic visual element of assertiveness and masculinity for Peggy throughout the series. A prominent visual cue of how nourishing work, self-interest, ambition and achievement were to Peggy; while them men were satiating themselves with mind numbing escapism and emotional avoidance of alcohol. It was also fun to see that throughout the series, the bottle seemed to clash with the cool blues and Pinks of decor in the early 60's, and later become integrated into the warm reds, oranges, yellows and green earth tones of the late 60s and early 70s.. probably symbolizing the move from outlier to insider. This series is so replete with imagery, color and beauty. a true artistic masterpiece. I watch it over and over and over...
Peggy sure sank a few whiskies in her time, though 😊
Wow! I want my daughter to be as determined as this character was.
honestly that scene with Peggy talking to her boyfriend at the bar kinda made me understand why so many white women in America at that time were so vitriolic and hateful towards black people especially when it came to things like the Little Rock 9 and stuff. they were projecting their own displeasure and frustrations with the way things were onto them. being white was the only power they felt they had in society. too bad they forgot that black women exist who have to deal with the exact same sexism they face while also having to deal with racism on top of it.
such a good point...
this is why white supremacy and patriarchy are bad for everyone. it pits marginalized groups against one another, depending on how close they are to the non-marginalized elite.
Peggy was the character I was most proud of and one of the very few that I rarely ever got pissed off at. She's probably the strongest character in the series. She didn't have Joan's triple D's to throw around or Betty's Barbie Doll-like looks. She was just plain old damned smart, determined and did it on her own. I was kind of hoping she would go with Joan to start their own business.
I never liked her. Or maybe it's just the actress. She always looks like she's on the verge of being offended again, she seems cold with a fake smile. Quite hostile most of the time with screwed up priorities: Give up a child to have a career? She is just as much of a prick as the boys are, it's just that she's an underdog prick. For me, she was the cringe part of the show, I'll take that asshole Roger Sterling over her anytime, at least he's somewhat funny when he's drunk.
Definitely how her character was written. I've only seen her in a couple of other movies so I think it's how Michael Weiner wrote her part (Never saw Handmaid's Tale). She did seem fake at times. I don't blame her for the attitude. I can't imagine competing with guys in the early 60's if you're trying to move up. Roger was my favorite. All the best lines!
@@seanmulligan2608 I think it is also the actress. I've seen her in other movies and her eyes always have that expression of lack of kindness and her mouth is shaped in a form that tells you that you are not worthy of a genuine smile. I believe they could have cast a better actress for this complicated character.
Question Sceenprism do you think you might do a video of Pete Campbell. I know that allot of people don't like him and rightfully so, but I think he was a fascinating Character.
Brian Magee No one said interesting characters have to be likable, good people. :D
Arunima Tiwari true just look at Shane from TWD.
Pete was a sleaze-bucket, but I really liked his character. I would love to see his profile.
I think with Pete and might be similar to the Jerry video from Rick and Morty
Brian Magee yes do a Pete's video essay!!! Everybody wants it! !!
I love your analysis of the characters on Mad Men. How about Sally? What is was like to grow up during a time of great change both in society and her home life. How her Don and Betty, as well as her relationships with friends influenced her. Don's honesty with her about his childhood. The complicated mother/daughter relationship between them as well as how Betty's death, that left her to raise her brothers. Sally was a one of the most fully developed complex character on the show. That would make an interesting video. I really look forward to your thoughts on Sally.
I watch Mad Men to follow Peggy's journey, not Don's. What a great character and actress.
I'm so fascinated by the progress we've made with women in the work place. Is it perfect? No, nothing ever will be. But I currently work at a corporate office that is woman dominated, even in a conservative state. I work almost exclusively with women and the majority of leadership roles are held by women. Shows like this remind me that this has not always been the case.
I think Peggy is one of the most inspirational tv characters of all time
I liked and admired the character, Peggy Olsen - you watched her grow in each episode and season. A great show, Mad Men. A credit to the creators, writers and producers.
I work in an office that still operates like this. All 16 executives are men of similar age and race. I've been a receptionist here for 3 years - there's no way I'd be taken seriously if I asked for a promotion into a higher field; I don't have a 'Don' in my corner. Some businesses just don't move with the times.
I swear u guys do the most profound and spot on analysis of my all time favorite shows! So glad I discovered this channel.
And Elisabeth Moss is an amazing actress, can't wait to see more of her
I forgot about a lot of Peggy’s absolutely killer lines during her character development. Even though I’ve watched this show 4 times I sort of lose track of Peggy’s character. I feel like I want to watch the show again now for a 5th time to pay more attention to her haha. She really is such a GREAT character
My late mother was satisfied as a seamstress in the West Side of lower Manhattan Garment District from 1957 til 1961. Later she worked the same thing in Richmond Hill by the Van Wyck Expressway which divides Richmond Hill from Jamaica in Queens, one of the 5 boroughs of NYC.
Narrator: “But the show keeps reminding us that people in her time didn’t always understand her.”
Freddie: “It was like watching a dog play piano.”
Hahaha brilliant editing job there
The Suitcase and The Strategy always give me this warm and fuzzy feeling.
I am a man and i feel inspired by Peggy. I work at a Law Firm and I have a similar (although much less dramatic) relationship with my boss, i learn so much from him everyday but i yet hope to one day surpass him in knowledge and experience in the same fashion Peggy did.
I can't watch this video yet but I came here to say that I started watching Mad Men just so I could! I'm on season 2, episode 3. Thank you. Wouldn't have watched otherwise, and I'm obsessed!
Peggy’s incredible. She was annoying in certain parts of the show, but I overall love her to bits. She grew the most throughout the entire series.
I watched Mad Men when I just graduated from uni and started working..Peggy relate to me on so many levels even until now
I love the scene where she and Don are dancing to My Way in the office. I was binge-watching the season and had to pause before the next episode to think about it. In a strenuous time in their relationship, where Peggy was acting as Don's boss, I just think it was beautifully done. The lyrics can be representative of both Don and Peggy's arcs on the show. Although I'm sure Don has more than a few regrets.
I’m a simple person. I watch tv and then I watch TH-cam videos about the tv I watch. Please never stop making videos
As far as I remember, Heinz didn't choose Peggy's pitch over Don's
That 'bought it in the room' clip was about a big firm going for one of the major agencies' pitches over either of theirs. That's when they decided to merge.
Cunnysmythe , just said the same thing. I was looking for a comment like yours, but I obviously didn't go far down enough.
They merge on chevys
yep, its right there in the clip they've shown, Heinz went for J. Walter Thompson
thank you! this inspired me! i'm living in iran,and i hope i will find my women power again hopefully ,thank you again dear
Shout at the TV game: when one of Don's secretaries messes up, yell YOU'RE NOT PEGGY AND YOU'LL NEVER BE PEGGY!!! can't wait for the Roger Sterling episode
I'd love to see a video for Sally
Katarina Dulude I was actually surprised that there wasn't a video about Sally and Peggy being called rebellious daughters (as compared to Joan and Betty)
YES! Sally is one of my favorite characters on the show and I think that when she's mentioned, it's usually through the lense of how adults see & react to her. I also think it's worth analysis given that she's a child growing to a teen during this era, technically a Baby Boomer seeing the progress around her as normal.
Sally represents all the fucked-up spawn of the Baby Boomers, trying to find a new morality to replace the one her parents ruined. In my mental extension of Mad Men, Sally becomes a Playboy centerfold, gets knocked up by the quarterback and spends the rest of her life as a bitchier extension of her mother, drifting in and out of relationships and rehab. Not much to emulate, true, but it's the story of 1000s of women her age.
In case you guys went to bed, there is one
@@djangoworldwide7925 i think they commented before there was one
I’m currently watching season 7 and I’ve got to say that I love Peggy Olson’s character development. She went through a lot! She and Rodger Sterling are my two favorite characters besides Don.
This series is so wonderful and for several different reasons, one of them for sure is the character Peggy. Marvelous analysis, you get the symbologies very well.
mad men deserved every award they won, God bless
Loved how Don and Peggy seemed to have developed a wonderful relationship, especially when he acknowledged her talent , he was more like an older caring brother
Thank you for allowing me to relive one of the most beautiful underdog stories I've watched on television. Since episode one I've rooted for her, she was always the protagonist in my heart. I love how real her storyline feels. I love how she overcame all the obstacles barring her ascension. Some clips also remind us of how some men have kept the same pig mentality of the 60's.
She looked so cool during that moment in the thumbnail. The character with the best development in the show. Secret protagonist indeed.
I only wish to have the strength and determination she has. It's really incredible how much she suffers and sacrifices yet she keeps going.
These videos make me want to re watch the series all over again
Great video! This channel got me into mad men 💓💓. Pls do one on Pete Campbell .
Kelley Choo yeah! Someone please explain that weasel to me.