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@@zachariahadams I hate when I make 'em, though there appeared to be conflicting info regarding the DIRAC roll-out. In the spirit of full transparency, sometimes getting "firm" or "precise" answers from the manufacturer is a bit like trying to nail Jell-O to a wall. All that said, the mistake was still made and it's on me to be better next time.
I have de Denon 6700H for 2 years now, would be a better deal if I change? I’m running a 11 channel Dolby Atmos system and also have another system for music.
Kristi, thank you for sharing your story and for always having an additional fresh take on these reviews...we’ve found that my wife usually agrees with your preferences and we both enjoy your perspective.
I was watching a different content creator's review of an avr and compared to a pro like Andrew Robinson the video was a joke. Andrew gotta say thanks for not wasting our time filming unboxing, going through on screen settings, and other nonsense. You get straight to the point and giving good information, but more importantly you keep the video engaging and entertaining.
Andrew / Christi: Bought the Marantz Cinema 50 based on your review to replace my Marantz 5012. As my media room, has an odd HVAC intrusion, I can’t get proper atmos so I have to rely on speaker virtualization in the Marantz app. I must say I am quite impressed with it as it - significantly - opens the soundscape. A major upgrade to the my 5012. Indeed, I would call it much more sophisticated and the overall sound, to my ears, is delightful! As you said: “It is almost perfect”, and I would have to agree. Nothing is perfect in this world. For me, it just has to do what the engineers say it will do . . . and if it does (often it doesn’t, as you know) I am thrilled! Wow it actually works?! Really! Well the Cinema 50 does it for me and I couldn’t be happier!!!
I can say personally that Marantz honors their warranty. I had a freak problem occur with my AV 7705. Couldnt be fixed. Marantz shipped me a new unit, and to my surprise, it was an AV 7706. Thanks to them for honoring their word.
Hey Andrew, great review! It would be cool to see you go back to this receiver now that Dirac has gone live. Also, it would really be cool if you could give an explanation of your manual setup approach with these receivers over Audyssey.
As a person actively shopping for a receiver to power a Polk 5.1.2 system I put together (w a svs sb-1000) and relative noob in the mid level av range, I find it nearly overwhelming trying to figure out what I need to power what I have effectively without breaking the bank to pieces lol. Every time I’m decided there seems to be something new or a comparison I forgot to compare. This certainly seems like a winner and marantz quality has proven to be very much above average and this would allow me to upgrade in the future should I move to a different space. Dirac as an update also is annoying but idk what I’m missing, sooo I can get by with manual settings on B and Audessy on A like Andrew here. Not to mention the ability to bi-amp my R700 fronts as well and this seems like a front runner. Thank you guys again for taking the time to share this review with us as you grieve, Kisti and Andrew… not all hero’s wear capes ❤! Much love for you all as you cope with this loss as watching you all has certainly helped me earlier this year when my father passed.
*I would like to further weigh in on the plastic vs metal thing. I know Marantz is saying metal design and if true, it is the among the most plastic feeling metal ever. It may be aluminum with a coating that is giving it a plastic like feel, I don't know, but when you run. your finger across the front of the Cinema 50 it feels like plastic. When you run your finger across the 40n, it's cool like metal. Perhaps I played it too fast and loose with the phrase "all plastic" but if you have both units next to each other as I do, there is no doubt which one is metal-metal and which one may be the cheapest metal available while still allowing one to say it's metal. Apologies to anyone who may be upset by my remarks. I stand by what I said though, in that the Cinema 50 is well made, it just isn't AS well made as the 40n. Oh, and while the Cinema 50 and 40n have largely the same remote, the 40n's remote is metal whereas the 50's is plastic.*
A little off topic, I purchased an NAD 700 on your recommendation, just like the Hersey IV’s I pulled the trigger on, again thanks to you. The NAD is for my wife in the living room. I came home tonight and discovered she had connected her iPod to the NAD via USB. Behold my amazement the NAD and BLUOS could control the iPod. It turned the iPod into a mini hard drive! Did you know it could do that! And it sounds like we are listening to the DAC in the 700, bypassing the iPod DAC. What a fantastic little perk to have!
I've spent the last few days listening to my new CINEMA 50. Initial impressions are good. High quality construction. (Painted aluminum face plate, knobs, and doors, not brushed and anodized like most front face plates but not plastic either aside from the textured side accents.) The GUI is logically laid out and looks great though the Web UI is much faster for initial setup. The remote is high quality and well organized with good key feedback and clear markings. I was able to get an incredibly flat room response using the MultEQ iOS app. I followed the advice of many to spend the extra money for the app to access the curve editor. It was good advice. I find the sound without Audyssey room correction to be disappointing-somewhat dull with rolled off highs and a smallish soundstage. With Audyssey, the sound is transformed. It expands and snaps into focus. However, it is necessary to add back the bass punch that is lost during the room EQ. This is best accomplished using the app. Even after Audyssey, I find vocals to be a little recessed compared to what I'm used to. Fiona Apple usually sounds like she's standing in front of me during "The First Taste". Less so with the CINEMA 50. Overall though, my experience mirrors Andrew's. This is a great sounding receiver. For anyone who, like me, is new to Audyssey, Audioholics has a great, nearly two hour TH-cam webcast about best practices. The TLDR version: Start the adjustments from the app, not the receiver, or you won't be able to access them from the app later on. Take a minimum of five measurements, preferably eight. The first measurement is from ear height at the listening position. The seven subsequent measurements are also taken from ear height no more than 20" away. (The software will tell you 24".) Midrange compensation is an outdated setting that should be off. Dynamic Volume should be off. Dynamic LFC is just a high pass filter and should be off for best sound. Dynamic EQ should be off for the most neutral sound. (Your choice though.) It is usually best to limit Audyssey to the frequencies that are affected by the room. This is done in the app. The appropriate setting is almost always between 200-300 Hz. (As an aside, this is the reason you may not want to pay for a full range DIRAC Live upgrade.) Finally, after uploading the Audyssey correction from the app to the receiver using the Share button (iOS), set the MultEQ XT32 setting on the receiver to "Flat", not "Reference". My CINEMA 50 defaulted to Reference. On iOS, the MultEQ app saves the measurements and settings in a file that can be tweaked and re-uploaded. Better, you can copy the measurements file and create multiple Audyssey configurations that can be uploaded at any time to the receiver. The receiver has two Speaker presets allowing you to upload two different Audyssey curves to directly compare them. Theoretically, we will be able to load a DIRAC correction in one and an Audessey correction in the other at some point. Andrew may have mentioned this. It's been a few days since I listened to this review. It would be interesting to listen to the X3800H and hear what you're getting for the extra $800 beyond improved aesthetics. Side by side without room correction, I wonder if I wouldn't prefer the DENON's sound signature, though I find DENON receivers intolerably ugly so it was never an option for me.
I think the Denon X3800H is the main competitor, I get that it is old school looking. On the X3800H they changed out the DAC, which apparently isn't as good as the original 3700H but still has nice amplification. The 3800H has a lot of nice features though, for music you could run an external DAC. One question, on the Marantz Cinema 50, can you run just a couple of the channels (like left front and right front) in the Pre-Out, while all other channels run through the receiver? This feature is available on the Denon X3800H but was not available on the 3700. This is important if you want to use a separate stereo amp for stereo.
@@nafnaf0 The CINEMA 50 divides the speakers into three groups: front, center, surround. For each of the groups you can choose either "speakers + preout" or just "preout". I believe (though I haven't tried it) that you could configure this in multiple ways and store each of the different configs in different presets.
@@playcold32 #1. No. Dynamic EQ is a feature of Audyssey and requires it to be on. Is there a way to create an Audyssey preset w/ no adjustments as a work around? I'm not sure. As I've said earlier, I think the CINEMA 50 sounds awful w/o Audyssey so if Audyssey ever quits working the CINEMA 50 hits eBay the next day. #2. My previous receiver is an NAD T778, which also sounds fantastic-probably better than the CINEMA 50. The T778 sounded so good out of the box that I never even got around to trying Dirac. That said, I am reluctant to recommend the unit. I bought the T778 a year ago to replace a Yamaha RX-Z7 that worked flawlessly for 13 years. The T778 worked flawlessly for four months. Then it started malfunctioning and [long story short] NAD finally sent me a brand new replacement after making me wait without an AVR for *eight months*. It has been the worst customer service experience of my life, as much for the complete lack of concern and empathy on the part of NAD customer service as for the wait time. I have the new, factory sealed T778 sitting on the floor in my theater room. I can't decide whether to open it and do a comparison or just throw it on ebay and eliminate the chance of ever having to deal with NAD again. Based solely on sound quality, I strongly expect I would prefer the NAD and want to return the Marantz. That said, everything else about the Marantz is superior. The CINEMA 50 feels like a refined, fully finished component. The T778...well, let's just say that the remote has an "Audyssey" button on it but it doesn't have Audyssey. It has an "Enter" button that doesn't enter; it duplicates the functionality of the down arrow. And the right arrow button serves as both the right arrow and enter. Worse, the T778's expansion card is inexplicably glued into its slot, eliminating the one big advantage of its modular design. I could go on. Frankly, the only feature the T778 has that I miss on the CINEMA 50 is Center Spread.
Ya I bought the cinema 50..listened to the video..and took your advice..running 7.1.2... Thank you for taking the time to explain your setup. I am extremely happy with this reciever. I bought the app...cut off correction at 250...sounds great...I still might experiment some..buti can definitely be happy living with it now.
Literally just got back from the store with mine after grueling analysis paralysis, had to replace the T-778 after sending sending it to be serviced twice in two years… thanks for the review, much love to you, Kristi and the family ❤
Top shelf presentation guys, most enjoyable and informative, just brings a smile, many thanks. Can't wait for the next Denon review and maybe at some stage the Denon AVR-A1H 8K Receiver + DIRAC. 🎶
Thanks Andrew! Great review. I found it to be very informative and well organized. I also love that you compared the Cinema 50 to the competition. I have a Marantz 9.2 SR7013 (got a great deal at the time) and love it! The only thing that seems to be missing from your Cinema 50 review (unless I missed it; sorry if that is the case) is that, not only is Dirac Live not included at launch as you and Kristi both highlighted, but it also requires the purchase of a license (US$259 - $349), at least as of 8/23/2023. You might want to add that fact in the notes at least as this could be a determining factor for some prospective buyers who are looking at other Dirac Live receivers. I only found out about the license fee after reading one of the comments below. Keep up the great work! Subscribed to your channel.
I have a Cinema 50 and I really enjoy it, however it should really say DIRAC '*'. Although is supports DIRAC, it obviously does not come with it, and for the price that DIRAC wants for the software (not to mention a microphone), it is hard to justify its cost, especially when Audessey's software upgrade is only $20. After running Audessey Muti EQ, and adjusting a couple of curves, I found it to work better than I expected, and now have little to no desire to shell out the money for DIRAC.
How big of a difference is this model when compared to cinema 60? Considering that I have a 7.1 setup(5.1.2) and the room size does not require additional 2 speakers? Specs wise this just have 10 watts more than the cinema 60 model.
Nice review, Andrew and Kristi. I know that the "incompleteness" of releases these day is maddening, but I think they wanted to get this one out for the 2022 holiday buying season. I suspect that the lack of Dirac probably has something to do with a pending software release. Looking at the Dirac web site, there hasn't been a new download posted there since Spring of 2022. That suggests to me that a significant revision is in beta test right now. Dirac support will probably come in the first quarter of next year once that update is generally available.
Marantz was having there 70th Anniversary promotion where you can trade in your old avr and get 20% off the purchase of a Marantz receiver. The promotion ended Nov. 10th. @@vladyslav1987
I was excited to see your review pop up in my feed, Andrew. I just ordered the CINEMA 50 yesterday. It's probably worth mentioning (if I didn't miss it) that unlike the Yamaha situation, the Marantz DIRAC update will be a paid upgrade. It is currently expected in ~March 2023 and best pricing estimate is ~$350 for full range DIRAC Live (timing and cost have not been fully nailed down). The standard partial-range DIRAC Live upgrade is expected to be about $90 cheaper. Owners will be able to start with standard DIRAC Live and upgrade to full range later if desired. DIRAC Live Bass Control is also on the docket but with no time frame. DIRAC spatial correction has not been ruled out but is not on the docket and there is no guarantee that these new receivers are capable of implementing it. In addition to the cost of DIRAC itself, users will need to purchase a microphone like the MiniDSP UMIK-1. The included Audessey mic will not work with DIRAC. Speaking of the T778 (which I own), that widely hated dongle is literally just a USB hub with Bluetooth and WiFi adapters plugged into it. Nothing more. Anyone who can run wired ethernet into the back of the T778 doesn't even need to plug the dongle in. It says "Bluesound" on it but it is not required for Bluesound functionality. One last thing as a long-time viewer, first-time commenter: I love your channel but it drives me crazy not to actually _see_ Kristi when she speaks. I assume she's camera shy but this approach is awkward. Cheers and thanks for the review!
Hello, would you please do a review for the Cinema 40? We know cinema 50 isn’t far off but we would like to see a comparison on the performance. I have not found a review for the Cinema 40 in depth
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Thank you for the review. I have been having problems with my RZ-50 ie OSD not working, 144hz not activating, hdmi switching acting wonky. I always wanted to go Marantz and the 50 fits the bill after seeing your review. Amazon right now has it for $1900! Wow! Thanks again Andrew and Kristi!
Onkyo's RZ50 is tough to best when it comes to Value, and is much better suited for Beginners. (especially since they won't charge you for DIRAC Live) then again for people who can afford more, the Marantz may be the better brand in terms of critical Music listening. How big of a difference would you say is it in Music ? Really noticeable ? I like Warmer or Neutral to Warm tending sound.
I can forgive Marantz knowing getting to market before Christmas is important… And as usual, a great review Andrew, but again, this video again highlights, for me, the dilemma of do I get a good AV receiver, and have to buy the associated “infrastructure” or do I get a really good 2.1 system and buy something like a Samsung Q990B?
That is a dilemma. If it were me, I'd keep a simple journal for a month or two and just log how much time I spent listening to music vs watching movies. If music is the primary focus then get a good 2.1 setup and add a soundbar. If it turns out to be the other way round, invest in a MODEST HT but one that does well for two channel too!
Yes, same here. On paper they look almost the same with the specs. The 3800 might even have a bit more power. Listening to the review and looking at specs its a bit hard to understand why C50 is a $1000 more.
It is interesting that your experience with the Yamaha RX-A8A has been so different from mine. The build quality on mine was impeccable. I was an early adopter of the unit so I received mine prior to yours. Perhaps quality control was better on these earlier units prior to the Covid buying craze and chip shortages. As far as the promised 8K support with VRR and ALLM firmware 1.73 will give the unit those features. I have not seen DIRAC support and you are right YPAO is not all that. I wound up re-calibrating everything by ear after running it. In my room, it did a terrible job at adjusting the bass levels. As far as recommending the unit after living with mine for nearly a year. If you want an AVR that is one of the best for movie watching Yamaha makes a good choice. For music I like the Anthem and Marantz AVRs better. If you looking for 8K gaming with VRR support. I think it wise to shop around and compare your options. The thing I hate most about owning Yamaha is you are an UN-paid beta tester for an receiver that now cost $3549.95. I find that their patches and updates have been coming out way too slow for an expensive flagship product. Which IMHO puts a lot of egg on the face of Yamaha. That being said, you are lucky indeed if you are able to get a hold of one. So they must be doing enough things right. Even with all of Yamaha's failings at providing timely customer support, whenever a dealer manages to get a shipment in, they usually are immediately sold out.
I’m really liking the new Marantz receivers I’m glad I held off and just upgraded my display first. In my case I’d need to go Cinema 40 to meet my needs and I’m probably going to get the soon to be released Denon X4800H instead as I can get that one for much cheaper than the Cinema 40. Marantz sure has nailed it again with a great line up though.
Thanks! I'm looking at a replacement for my integra 40.3. The new marantz cinema series or another integra are on the list. What are your thoughts? I love the channel BTW.
I have zero hesitation in recommending either the new Cinema Series or an Integra to you. I cannot say which is ultimately going to be best for you and your setup, but both are solid options. You may want to wait for Sunday's review of a new receiver though before making your final decision. Thank you for your support!
I was waiting on this review to buy the Cinema 50 and finally have mine set up with KEF R3s. Yup - def takes a little bit of juice to wake things up. Music sounds flat at a volume of "58" but then at 62 it just opens up and sounds amazing.
You should get an SPL meter (or APP) to learn what "volume" level that really is in your room so you know for future reference when you experiment or change equipment. Unless you've "recalibrated" the receiver to accurately reflect the SPL in your room, 58 could be 70dB or it could be 40. Just a fun experiment you may want to try out. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Yeah, great advice. I don't really know what type of dBs I'm pushing. I'm looking forward to the DIRAC update cause these KEF R3s sound a bit bright to me (I've pointed them almost straight into the room to be about 30 deg off axis to roll off the highs a bit). HeOS is janky as hell. And HDMI CEC is a major joke (full disclosure, I'm a coauthor of the Blu-ray disc spec so I have some background in AV technical specifications and, more importantly, validation/testing). I turned on my C50, it turns on my Nvidia Shield, turns on my LG OLED . .. then turns on my PS5 (Why?!). THEN, everything turns back off . . . one by one. THEN it all comes back on again! There is no testing with some of these groups. When I ran a studio tech team (at a company with a mouse as a mascot) my team was in charge of writing the 3D Blu-ray spec. We put in the spec that you MUST pass a verification disc my team wrote. I had them write a disc that tested EVERY SINGLE FEATURE in the spec and produced a pass or fail log. If you failed any of the 30 tests, you did not get that blu-ray logo. HDMI folks need to invest in the testing verification part cause it's a joke. Also, mentioned to Kristi before - love your video work. Love the beautiful pans across a speaker where the grill magically appears. Beautiful stuff.
If I've learned anything from his page in the 48 hours I've been infatuated with, it is that I you've dreamed about it, I probably won't ever be able to afford it. However, I stick around or the Mrs. perspective pretty much everytime. Great page and you have 1 new fan. Keep up the great work.
If you are newer to owning an AVR (you mentioned having set up concerns), the Onkyo will be a little easier for you to get up and running. Yamaha tends to be a more advanced system with infinite customization options so the learning curve is going to be a lot steeper.
I'm virtually already bent on getting the Cinema 40, which apparently is the Cinema 50 on roids, built in Japan instead of Vietnam, has video component input so can still hook up my beloved Wii, and slightly more juice and few other goodies. Can't wait to till their available with Durac!
My Sony str-dn1080 is broken so I have to replace it, for the life of me those last mentions of the cinema 60 was the tipping point, thank you so much, now I feel so confident in buying it. love u guy`s .
100% dead on again! This looks to be a Denon X3800H with better styling and Marantz' HDAM "richness/warmth". From my experience with the x3800h, everything you said, except for the "Marantz richness", matches up exactly. Im looking forward to your X3800H review to see how you compare the two. Its a great time to be in the market for a AVR! (minus the post pandemic prices, of course). Thanks for another great review! P.S. - Have you tried Audyssey MultEQ-X? I think you would really like it.
Sir I just watch this video Andrew you are effing crazy I absolutely love the face that you made for the advantage comment!, it’s one of the reasons why I like watching your channel being a lot more real and having fun with it……
Glad I managed to snag a Arcam AVR20 for 3100€, the Cinema lineup is just too expensive for what it offers. The X3800H seems like the sweet spot to me.
Hey Andrew, good review on the Cinema 50. Now I have yet another new AVR to consider…whew! Actually, I do believe it’s great to have choices, of course. After your review and fondness for the RZ50, I have been stoking my AVR piggy bank for that fine Onkyo. I have long been a fan of Pioneer Elite, my current VSX-90 has served me well for 6 years, with the eARC beginning to get flakey. That port just seems to always be the first to go on AVRs. I feel that the RZ50 will be the perfect replacement for my Pioneer Elite, as I auditioned one last week. Strong even-keeled amplification, and ALL of the features I want, including DIRAC. I know that both Pioneer and Onkyo belong to PAG. I appreciated your perspectives in your discussion about Onkyo’s filing for restructuring. It’s always best to go into a purchase with your eyes wide open! One note on the Yamaha AVANTAGE: It’s such a shame that they skimped on the DIRAC being part of the package. Normally I wouldn’t probably worry about it missing. I just feel like it was a somewhat of a patronizing move on Yamaha’s part, like “oh they won’t notice it missing”. So, after all of that winding road, I don’t feel like the Cinema 50 is worth the extra $1k, and the RZ50 having noticeably more power (on paper anyway) is enticement enough for me. Thank you for the continued quality reviews Andrew and Kristi!
I have a Marantz SR6012 and have been wanting a pre-pro upgrade to the 7706 before replacing. AV10 is out of current budget and overkill for me. This looks interesting to replace mine and MiniDSP for my 3 subs. I am waiting however until reviews of Dirac and spatial bass with using multiple subs. As is I will stick with what I have Yes Marantz tripped up. If Dirac was available I would have upgraded. Now competitors like Emotiva have time to get their bleep together and me save more for other competitors. I think anyone in this price market is going to wait whether new purchase or upgrade existing. Why spend more on a competitor if Dirac makes a huge improvement? Why spend less on potential inferior product when Dirac is around the corner?
Nice update, especially for HDMI supporting complete 2.1 set and Dirac where's provided... Said that internally it's always same stuff, Dirac is not a game changer for me and I'd save money with old lineup, unless HDMI 2.1 is required for whole setup. I'd never give 8015 into for Cinema50...
Hi Andrew, love all your reviews, just wondering when are you going to review the cinema 40? Really thinking about buying one, but been waiting for your review to get your thoughts :) Thanks Chris
2 channel is my priority but I did get a preamp with HT pass through to easily link a pro/receiver to my system. My Pioneer Elite from 2009 is getting a little long in the tooth and the Cinema 60 ticks all the right boxes. I'm currently running a 4.1 system and have a center channel speaker in storage so 5.1 is about as far as I go. Thanks for the review.
Further to Cinema 50, ai even upgraded my speakers to Polk Audio R700 and this is a serious two channel as well as a home theatre. This is the best audiophile sound I’ve experienced so far. Thank you Andrew ans Kristie.
These damn reviews somehow put this invisible pressure on my arm to pull my wallet from thy pocket.... hahahaha.... Cheers.. Our drink this evening was the original James Bond Martini, known as the Vesper... :)
The thing that burns me about DIRAC isn't that it's a later update, but that you have to pay for a license. They're selling this product with the DIRAC logo. I shouldn't have to buy separately what they're telling me I'm going to get. If it was a free update later, that's fine. Not great, but ok. But to have to buy a license as well, there is nothing about DIRAC that comes with the Cinema50 other than the capability to add it later. Other than that, it looks like the Cinema50 is a perfect fit for what I'm looking for, but that whole DIRAC issue is really bothering me. I can't decide if that's a deal breaker or not.
Hi Andrew and Kristi, in the review you said that the sound between the Cinema 50 and SR8015 is close enough, but you said that the Cinema 50 has worse dynamics compared to x3800h, and in the SR8015 you said that you never heard better dynamics before in a receiver, so one key difference between the sound of the Cinema 50 and SR8015 is that the SR8015 has much better Dynamics?
Thanks Andrew. I have been on the fence about this AVR since my SR6012 began having issues. This was a very informative presentation. I purchased one tonight.
I am wondering if Andrew could elaborate more on his selection of the cinema 50 over the rz50. They seem pretty evenly matched and have a big price difference. What about the cinema 50 performance was better? I am looking for a new reciever for a dedicated theater room for video games and movies. Is the sound quality really worth the $900 premium? Seems like the answer is yes but please elaborate 😊. Great video I love the detail and amazing production quality of your videos. Top notch!
I was trying to replace my Yamaha RX-A2A with a Marantz 8015 after watching your review of it. Then Sony finally came back and after watching your 7000ES, I ordered the 5000ES. It arrived Saturday and installed it yesterday (3/12). Love 360 sound. Thank you. Perfect with RP-8000F!
Marantz is waiting for the brand new Spatial Dirac software to be completed by Dirac. If you only wanted the current NON Spatial version, the yes, It would have been included in the release of the Marantz 50.
@@minos64 During the press release of Dirac they mentioned the new version will be available on the new Marantz processors. Then during the Marantz release at Cedia that the units Dirac upgrade comes with the new Dirac version to be released. What’s very interesting is how MIMO Dirac approaches room correction very differently. Revolutionary!!!! All other room corrections will now be like the difference between SVHS and HDMI
I don’t love HEOS by any stretch, but I use it because I don’t know of any easier and better way to stream lossless audio from Amazon Music. If there is a way, please somebody tell me. I know there are options that add equipment and in turn cost money. As mediocre as HEOS is, it’s free with the receiver.
I've just bought the Cinema 50 and pairing it with a Monitor Audio 7.1.2 speaker system and a Samsung 85" Qled TV, as I'm a longterm MARANTZ user and like their products sound and quality. Regarding the omission of DIRAC I view this a a win-win. I get some new tech to play with at Xmas which will be lovely and then in 3 months I get the DIRAC firmware upgrade so it will be like having new kit again
I have Monitor Audio Silver 200, recently at 5.0. My Cinema 50 arrived yesterday and I need to test it against my cca 4 years old Denon x3500h. As for the Dirac - while it might arrive in 2-3 months, it is going to be a paid and quite expensive feature, no? It will surely be interesting to compare it to the Audyssey paid app.
I've always felt like Marantz puts out a really good 'sound' with their A/V products and have always loved the brand. I've never used DIRAC, so I am not sure what I am missing and maybe that was their thought process with not having it already built in - "well, most of our customers haven't ever had it so they won't miss it that much", lol. yeah, it should have been fully baked at release for sure. My internal battle has been the RZ50 (because I like the lower price) vs. the Cinema 50 (because I love the Marantz sound and brand). I have the Cinema 50 pre-ordered, but that extra $900 is significant (to me, anyway). Love your reviews, Thank you for all you both put into these!
The rz50 is a damn good value at its price. Fantastic product. I have an older rz series onkyo, and while marantz is superior is hard to ignore how good the onkyo is at its price.
I am in this same delema. I am not an audiophile and onkyo receivers have done well for me in my living room setups in the past. But now I am creating a dedicated theater with an Epson LS12000 4K 120HZ Projector. I wish there was a way to quantify the sound quality and profile. I don't really have a budget but I like finding that quality and value combo. I am willing to pay more for measurable performance & quality improvements. With the dirac live upgrade the cinema 50 would be $1200-$1400 more. Seems the quality would need to be vastly better to justify the price difference.
I can only speak from personal experience as someone who went from a Marantz 6013 to RZ50. I have found Audyssey so incredibly frustrating even with the most stringent full runs. Dirac truly made my room come alive. It was almost like I bought new speakers along with the AVR. It's so far ahead of Audyssey and YPAO it's just nuts. You'd have to experience the difference with your own ears. Marantz definitely has a nice flavor of sound and I did like the few years I spent with the 6013 but the Onkyo felt like one of the most significant upgrades I've ever made just because of Dirac.
@@charlesking678 Yes I plan on checking that one out too. I hate the port hole. I will have a dedicated rack for my gear so looks are not too important to me.
I'm a gamer and rarely a movie watcher but when I watch them, I really like to enjoy them. Is the Marantz 50 a balanced purchase for performance/cost? I plan to explore 7.2 (two subwoofers). Luckily I live in an apartment with really great concrete and neighbours can't hear anything on my current 2.1 system. I liked your video (I am subscribing) Cheers from Chile!
Great review, Andrew! I instantly clicked thumbnail, even though this model is out of my price range, and beyond my needs for my small condo. Hoping that you guys can review the Cinema 70s in the near future, since that's definitely more suitable for my needs and space (I nearly bought the NR1711, but I'm waiting for the 70s now cause I love the design).
I HATE the porthole screen on my Marantz. I dont know whats going on with my receiver AND I have to walk up to it to read the screen. Why did they even give us a remote if they want up to walk up to the AVR to see anything? If they want to keep the porthole look, why don't they make it bigger? If things don't change, I'm going back to Onkyo.
Hey Kx, I am a life long Onkyo fan as well as Marantz fan. I had the RZ50 and it was everything I could ask for, Including the awesome sound from DIRAC but it did have a display defect where there was NO DISPLAY at all (this happened 1 week or so into new ownership) so I returned it. So I was very sad to say the least as I love the RZ50 style, sound, power seamless integration with my home audio setup. BTW DIRAC was awesome. I currently have an old Marantz SR5011that is flawless. Only thing it has 7 channels where I need 9 plus 4 independent sub outlet, and that is where the 40 comes in. I also hate that SR5011 Porthole, but love the addition of the LCD readout under the flip panel of the 40 is a big part on my wanting the Cinema 40 (Besides fours subs, awesome looking copper screws and being made in Japan. So in short I want another RZ50 but cannot trust it due to the earlier mentioned fault and that it is 2 years old by now. I got the feeling a RZ51 or something is in the works....... Maybe Onkyo will up their game 1Q23 too compete with the new Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon models. IF Onkyo upgrades their current model in the next few months I may change my mind and go with Onkyo again.
@@aspjake123 I wanted the RZ50 when I bought my SR6015 last year but they were on backorder and the store did not know when they were coming in (over100 preorders). So I just bit the bullet and got the Marantz. I'm not blown away by it. The sound is ok and for some reason, the phono stage is really low, I have to crank it up to at least 70dbs to enjoy my my records ( I could always buy a phono amp but that would defeat the purpose of the avr). So I decided to see if the RZ is in stock now and yes they are. The store offered to credit me $1100 for my Marantz towards the RZ. I'm really tempted but to lose $1000 kinda hurts.
I’m waiting for the AV10 Processor. For me it’s between the Anthem AVM90 vs Marantz AV10. If you can, please get a pre-pro for review. I find that balanced connections take music and movies to the next level.
I just got a 50 in champagne silver... in an dark ikea cabinet with a white left and right compartment and it just looks greath ... and the sound ...well its just what you would expect running with svs ultra speakers ...it does come more to live at 50-60 volume, then the room is full of sound so plenty volume left ....menu looks better than denon....the best thing is the backlight for the remote ...7.2.2 svs ultra towers, bookshelfs surround back and 2 seelinh speakers (bower wilkins-am1) subs= Bose ( ill try to make a video later on the setup )
It would be great if you could create a video of your setup when going via Audyssey and configuring it manually so I can compare. Also when you setup your Xbox do you have to turn on the amplifier in order for the Xbox to work? I was attempting to set mine up so I could play games on the Xbox One without needing the amp on for it to display the game
QOTD: Normally I would say yes they absolutely did but the fact that they do have the decently comparable Audessy available at launch I think makes it ok, at least in my book
Nice but it should have a screen at least as large as a S22 or iPhone 14 max. You can get an android table with a 10" screen for $120 - that includes the battery and computer - an AV receiver in 2022 should have a better screen than your fridge.
Other than some potential interference issues with the onboard electronics, I don't see why these products continue to look like something from the 90's.
Andrew for the older receivers like the 8015 and 6015, you can use MultEQ-X by Audyssey. Its different from the XT32, you should check it out. The upgrade is $200 per person per receiver
I have a SR7008.... after they continually had a non-functional Pandora app and couldn't fix it for over a year, I swore I'd never buy another Marantz. So I'm not surprised about the DIRAC b.s. I also hate that they got rid of the second display behind the front door... All of that said... I love the Marantz sound.
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The Cinema 40 has a second display behind the front door
Great review like always ! I have the RZ50 in bedroom 5.2.4 setup and it sounds fantastic !! I have The new Denon X3800H in my living room with a 7.2.4 setup and it sounds awesome with music and movies. I think you are gonna be pleasantly surprised with the X3800H . Can’t wait to hear you and krist’ s thoughts on it.
First thing first HIT THAT LIKE, SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE.. by now there is no reason you shouldn't this helps out Andrew and Kristi. They work hard and it shows in every review... okay back to our regularly scheduled comment 🤣 Did Marantz drop the ball with Dirac ummmmm yeah!! Like really WHAT were they thinking seriously. This definitely isn't a new still in development thing! On another note I agree with your mention Andrew this receiver is a breath of fresh air. The looks just are settling and just down right Presents itself with a sleek look and design. I really wish it was time for me to upgrade because I do want to run 2 more channels instead of my 5.1.2 setup. Other than that this is just another receiver I can only wish for! Great review as always guys! 👏🏽
Well, as a thoroughbred YAMAHA fan I'm in love with that perfect clean look of Onkyo TX-RZ50. It's simply a timeless design. Maybe the most beautiful AVR ever manufactured but I can't say the same for Marantz AVR line. - Nope, I didn't and never mention anything about the newer (2020 & up) Yamaha AVRs... They are the objects of HATE, period !
Good morning guys, thanks for the review. I would have loved to see dirac out of the box, manufacturers are famous for promising a feature in the future, and then it being underwhelming, buggy or late to get to the general public when (if) it ever happens. Not saying that marantz will do that, but i ddint think yamaha would either... I think its more visually appealing than the previous marantz receivers, but i also find i dont care too much visually about an AVR since its generally mounted in a cabinet or rack in my experience. Its not an Integrated Amplifier which i would expect to be "on display" more often. Also i have found that my Onkyo RZ-50 has more than enough power to run a home theater without external amplification.. My Emotiva A2 is just sitting next to my cabinet not plugged in and i couldnt be happier. Given that the Onkyo is 1000$ cheaper and has Dirac out of the box i cant see the reason to buy the marantz for 40% more. The onkyo is beautiful in its own right with the stout feet, taller chassis, and the clean front with the door shut. With the door open there are a ton of buttons, a great screen for making adjustments and they STILL have a great app and tons of power and preouts. Selling my Onkyo RZ50 for this never even crossed my mind, and I certainly wouldnt do it without dirac being released and there being a few months of stability under its belt.
I would 100% urge you (or anyone) NOT to sell their RZ50 in favor of the Cinema 50. Tonally there is a difference, and while I subjectively prefer the sound of the Marantz to the Onkyo, it is not a night and day difference and thus I am not ditching my RZ50 either. Plus as you point out, it's fully realized now whereas we have to wait and see with the Cinema 50.
Stellar review as always. Looks like a definitive upgrade to the SR6014/6015. Btw, any chance for a Cinema 70s review as well? It's basically a NR1711 successor but now with proper 5-channel pre-outs. Could be a banger for smaller size venues.
❤ this advice since it’s exactly what I’m focused on now. I want an AVR that does great surround audio and has Dirac and costs between $1K & $2k. Our Denon AVR 1500 was put to shame when I plugged in a stereo tube amp for playing CDs and vinyl to the same speakers. The amps are on a switcher going to our commodity Klipsch R820Fs and the low powered Reisong tube amp turns those speakers into actual hifi boxes. I want a multichannel AVR receiver that can do that for my surround sound audio discs. ❤ your channel btw!
I want you to know I come to your channel for your cinematography. It can't be easy setting up and doing all of those B-roll shots to such a meticulous standard. But it sets your channel apart, I appreciate it and it's what I come for. If ever you're frustrated, or run into problems with the B-roll and think "does anyone even care?". Just wanted to let you know I care, I see, and I am grateful for it. That's all. P.S. Also for Kristi. She's great. You should marry her twice just to be sure she stays.
I think Kristi is correct, the Yamaha Aventage AVR’s still don’t have full HDMI 2.1 features. QMS and QFT are missing which prevents blank screens in movies and for reducing latency in gaming, respectively. Not good at all!
I have an SR7013 and an SR6014 (two different rooms). I could care less about DIRAC. I don't need 8k. I am not in the market for an AVR. So it does not bother me DIRAC was not functioning with the release. Thanks again!
Andrew is obviously much more qualified than I am, but unless you just have to have a Marantz, I wouldn’t get a Cinema 60. It won’t have Dirac support, it’s only 7 channels with no additional pre-outs, and the two sub channels are not independent. For the same money you can get the new Denon 3800h or the Onkyo RZ50 which is back in stock, and spec wise they are closer to the cinema 50. If you can afford to splurge for the 50, god bless and enjoy. Otherwise I’d get one of those 2. Actually I would love to see a comparison between the rz50 and the 3800h. They one up each other in different areas and I would have a hard time deciding between them. Also, I might be wrong, but from what I’m gathering, Dirac is going to be an "optional upgrade", meaning it’s going to cost money. That’s messed up if that’s the case. You can get $1000 receivers now that come with Dirac so I really hope this isn’t the case.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thanks for the reply Andrew! So what does dirac support even mean then? Or do you need to use something like a minidsp to use dirac on most devices? And it's built in on these? It has to be something lol.
@@spizzlo I've owned multiple devices with DIRAC. There are different versions. The basic DIRAC Live version covers the frequency range that is affected by room interactions. Check for yourself on anything you're considering, but my impression is that this is usually included for free. This is definitely true of the NAD T778. The upgrade from the free version with limited frequency range to the version with full range is $99. DIRAC Bass Control would be even more though it is irrelevant for the T778. My understanding (from other commenters) is that Onkyo's RZ50 gives you the full range DIRAC Live free out of the box. I haven't confirmed this.
Just got my Cinema 50 the other day and I'm well pleased with it, except that it does kinda stick out of my cabinet a bit (being a few centimeters deeper than my old Denon). Got some cabinet DIY to do, I guess. I haven't put it properly through it paces yet though, just some light PS5 gaming to see how hot it gets in the current (slightly cramped) cabinet space. A few small complaints: - The power up sequence is noticeably slow. When the AVR is started by your TV via CEC, it takes a good while until the sounds start coming out through the AVR. More so than with my old Denon X2200W, so that's an unfortunate bit of a regression compared to a much older and cheaper AVR. Edit: This isn't exactly the case; it depends on what mode the AVR was in when turned off (which is the mode it will boot into). The "long" power up happens if it boots into HEOS. So if you listened to something through HEOS, it's good practise to switch to something else before powering the AVR off. - The porthole... I thought I'd love it because it looks cool in the pictures, but in reality it's so functionally limited because of the small size that I'm definitely not in love with it. Not awful but not great. - The app is great, except when it isn't. You generally get whatever you need to do done, but it's rarely a smooth experience. It's often somewhat unresponsive, sometimes out of sync with the AVR and few times it has just hanged. Also, it's basically the same app that was available to my 7-year old Denon without any noticeable UI or performance improvements. Again, not awful but definitely not great. The web interface seems a bit quicker and more responsive though so maybe that's the solution. Those aside, I love how it looks (I got the silver/white one, just because I was tired of black boxes), how it sounds (so far) and the feature set is impeccable. Also the price was right; here in Finland it sells for 2000e which is only 200e more than the Denon X3800H and going other brands would've meant giving up features (typically at least HDMI 2.1-related) or paying 50-100% more (looking at you, Anthem).
@@ranggaputra7750 Well, I definitely like how music sounds through it but my main use is series and movies. What I noticed immediately vs my old Denon is how much richer my front speakers (Dali Oberon 7s) sound with it, making the subwoofer almost redundant for music listening. Other than that I can't really give any competent description, sorry.
Just got the Cinema 60 in. Love the sound but after hearing the 60 won't get Dirac, it's going back. And since the Onkyo RZ50 is not available in Europe, Denon all of a sudden becomes a really good option.
I agree with you on the manual tuning, currently I have the 8012 and love it maybe its time to upgrade. I am an installer and in the pass used quite alot of denon products because of good value for money but started to get multiple failures due to a bad hdmi board so I stay away from them now like covid, lol. Doing a home theatre for a client now and I am using JBL synthesis.
For over 10 years I’ve been wanting to love a Marantz AVR, but I really REALLY hate that little port-hole display!! Nobody could possibly read that from their listening/viewing position.
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@@zachariahadams I hate when I make 'em, though there appeared to be conflicting info regarding the DIRAC roll-out. In the spirit of full transparency, sometimes getting "firm" or "precise" answers from the manufacturer is a bit like trying to nail Jell-O to a wall. All that said, the mistake was still made and it's on me to be better next time.
So this Marantz can be sound good with klipsch? I like the high of klipsch afraid to lose that,
@@thiagodelgado3128 yes
Hey just Sorry ask again, What misses to be perfect? Almost perfect cause of the performance or cause the MISSING Dirac?
I have de Denon 6700H for 2 years now, would be a better deal if I change? I’m running a 11 channel Dolby Atmos system and also have another system for music.
Good morning, everyone. Thank you again for all the ❤ you've shared with me regarding the loss of my grandmother. It's meant so much to me. 🙏
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I've been out of pocket lately (VA stuff)...and I also send my condolences and prayers you you and your family 👪 🙏 ❤
Kristi, thank you for sharing your story and for always having an additional fresh take on these reviews...we’ve found that my wife usually agrees with your preferences and we both enjoy your perspective.
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I was watching a different content creator's review of an avr and compared to a pro like Andrew Robinson the video was a joke. Andrew gotta say thanks for not wasting our time filming unboxing, going through on screen settings, and other nonsense. You get straight to the point and giving good information, but more importantly you keep the video engaging and entertaining.
I have the Marantz SR6015 and it has served me very well for almost 2 years. I see no need to upgrade. Thank you Andrew for all you do.
Andrew / Christi: Bought the Marantz Cinema 50 based on your review to replace my Marantz 5012. As my media room, has an odd HVAC intrusion, I can’t get proper atmos so I have to rely on speaker virtualization in the Marantz app. I must say I am quite impressed with it as it - significantly - opens the soundscape. A major upgrade to the my 5012. Indeed, I would call it much more sophisticated and the overall sound, to my ears, is delightful! As you said: “It is almost perfect”, and I would have to agree. Nothing is perfect in this world. For me, it just has to do what the engineers say it will do . . . and if it does (often it doesn’t, as you know) I am thrilled! Wow it actually works?! Really! Well the Cinema 50 does it for me and I couldn’t be happier!!!
I can say personally that Marantz honors their warranty. I had a freak problem occur with my AV 7705. Couldnt be fixed. Marantz shipped me a new unit, and to my surprise, it was an AV 7706. Thanks to them for honoring their word.
THAT'S HUGE! Appreciate you sharing!
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Hey Andrew, great review! It would be cool to see you go back to this receiver now that Dirac has gone live. Also, it would really be cool if you could give an explanation of your manual setup approach with these receivers over Audyssey.
As a person actively shopping for a receiver to power a Polk 5.1.2 system I put together (w a svs sb-1000) and relative noob in the mid level av range, I find it nearly overwhelming trying to figure out what I need to power what I have effectively without breaking the bank to pieces lol. Every time I’m decided there seems to be something new or a comparison I forgot to compare. This certainly seems like a winner and marantz quality has proven to be very much above average and this would allow me to upgrade in the future should I move to a different space. Dirac as an update also is annoying but idk what I’m missing, sooo I can get by with manual settings on B and Audessy on A like Andrew here. Not to mention the ability to bi-amp my R700 fronts as well and this seems like a front runner. Thank you guys again for taking the time to share this review with us as you grieve, Kisti and Andrew… not all hero’s wear capes ❤! Much love for you all as you cope with this loss as watching you all has certainly helped me earlier this year when my father passed.
*I would like to further weigh in on the plastic vs metal thing. I know Marantz is saying metal design and if true, it is the among the most plastic feeling metal ever. It may be aluminum with a coating that is giving it a plastic like feel, I don't know, but when you run. your finger across the front of the Cinema 50 it feels like plastic. When you run your finger across the 40n, it's cool like metal. Perhaps I played it too fast and loose with the phrase "all plastic" but if you have both units next to each other as I do, there is no doubt which one is metal-metal and which one may be the cheapest metal available while still allowing one to say it's metal. Apologies to anyone who may be upset by my remarks. I stand by what I said though, in that the Cinema 50 is well made, it just isn't AS well made as the 40n. Oh, and while the Cinema 50 and 40n have largely the same remote, the 40n's remote is metal whereas the 50's is plastic.*
A little off topic, I purchased an NAD 700 on your recommendation, just like the Hersey IV’s I pulled the trigger on, again thanks to you. The NAD is for my wife in the living room. I came home tonight and discovered she had connected her iPod to the NAD via USB. Behold my amazement the NAD and BLUOS could control the iPod. It turned the iPod into a mini hard drive! Did you know it could do that! And it sounds like we are listening to the DAC in the 700, bypassing the iPod DAC. What a fantastic little perk to have!
I've spent the last few days listening to my new CINEMA 50. Initial impressions are good. High quality construction. (Painted aluminum face plate, knobs, and doors, not brushed and anodized like most front face plates but not plastic either aside from the textured side accents.) The GUI is logically laid out and looks great though the Web UI is much faster for initial setup. The remote is high quality and well organized with good key feedback and clear markings. I was able to get an incredibly flat room response using the MultEQ iOS app. I followed the advice of many to spend the extra money for the app to access the curve editor. It was good advice. I find the sound without Audyssey room correction to be disappointing-somewhat dull with rolled off highs and a smallish soundstage. With Audyssey, the sound is transformed. It expands and snaps into focus. However, it is necessary to add back the bass punch that is lost during the room EQ. This is best accomplished using the app. Even after Audyssey, I find vocals to be a little recessed compared to what I'm used to. Fiona Apple usually sounds like she's standing in front of me during "The First Taste". Less so with the CINEMA 50. Overall though, my experience mirrors Andrew's. This is a great sounding receiver.
For anyone who, like me, is new to Audyssey, Audioholics has a great, nearly two hour TH-cam webcast about best practices. The TLDR version: Start the adjustments from the app, not the receiver, or you won't be able to access them from the app later on. Take a minimum of five measurements, preferably eight. The first measurement is from ear height at the listening position. The seven subsequent measurements are also taken from ear height no more than 20" away. (The software will tell you 24".) Midrange compensation is an outdated setting that should be off. Dynamic Volume should be off. Dynamic LFC is just a high pass filter and should be off for best sound. Dynamic EQ should be off for the most neutral sound. (Your choice though.) It is usually best to limit Audyssey to the frequencies that are affected by the room. This is done in the app. The appropriate setting is almost always between 200-300 Hz. (As an aside, this is the reason you may not want to pay for a full range DIRAC Live upgrade.) Finally, after uploading the Audyssey correction from the app to the receiver using the Share button (iOS), set the MultEQ XT32 setting on the receiver to "Flat", not "Reference". My CINEMA 50 defaulted to Reference.
On iOS, the MultEQ app saves the measurements and settings in a file that can be tweaked and re-uploaded. Better, you can copy the measurements file and create multiple Audyssey configurations that can be uploaded at any time to the receiver. The receiver has two Speaker presets allowing you to upload two different Audyssey curves to directly compare them. Theoretically, we will be able to load a DIRAC correction in one and an Audessey correction in the other at some point. Andrew may have mentioned this. It's been a few days since I listened to this review.
It would be interesting to listen to the X3800H and hear what you're getting for the extra $800 beyond improved aesthetics. Side by side without room correction, I wonder if I wouldn't prefer the DENON's sound signature, though I find DENON receivers intolerably ugly so it was never an option for me.
I think the Denon X3800H is the main competitor, I get that it is old school looking. On the X3800H they changed out the DAC, which apparently isn't as good as the original 3700H but still has nice amplification. The 3800H has a lot of nice features though, for music you could run an external DAC. One question, on the Marantz Cinema 50, can you run just a couple of the channels (like left front and right front) in the Pre-Out, while all other channels run through the receiver? This feature is available on the Denon X3800H but was not available on the 3700. This is important if you want to use a separate stereo amp for stereo.
@@nafnaf0 The CINEMA 50 divides the speakers into three groups: front, center, surround. For each of the groups you can choose either "speakers + preout" or just "preout". I believe (though I haven't tried it) that you could configure this in multiple ways and store each of the different configs in different presets.
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1. Can you turn ON Dynamic EQ while Audyssey is OFF?
2. What was your previous receiver and how does it compare to the marantz?
@@playcold32 #1. No. Dynamic EQ is a feature of Audyssey and requires it to be on. Is there a way to create an Audyssey preset w/ no adjustments as a work around? I'm not sure. As I've said earlier, I think the CINEMA 50 sounds awful w/o Audyssey so if Audyssey ever quits working the CINEMA 50 hits eBay the next day.
#2. My previous receiver is an NAD T778, which also sounds fantastic-probably better than the CINEMA 50. The T778 sounded so good out of the box that I never even got around to trying Dirac. That said, I am reluctant to recommend the unit. I bought the T778 a year ago to replace a Yamaha RX-Z7 that worked flawlessly for 13 years. The T778 worked flawlessly for four months. Then it started malfunctioning and [long story short] NAD finally sent me a brand new replacement after making me wait without an AVR for *eight months*. It has been the worst customer service experience of my life, as much for the complete lack of concern and empathy on the part of NAD customer service as for the wait time. I have the new, factory sealed T778 sitting on the floor in my theater room. I can't decide whether to open it and do a comparison or just throw it on ebay and eliminate the chance of ever having to deal with NAD again. Based solely on sound quality, I strongly expect I would prefer the NAD and want to return the Marantz.
That said, everything else about the Marantz is superior. The CINEMA 50 feels like a refined, fully finished component. The T778...well, let's just say that the remote has an "Audyssey" button on it but it doesn't have Audyssey. It has an "Enter" button that doesn't enter; it duplicates the functionality of the down arrow. And the right arrow button serves as both the right arrow and enter. Worse, the T778's expansion card is inexplicably glued into its slot, eliminating the one big advantage of its modular design. I could go on. Frankly, the only feature the T778 has that I miss on the CINEMA 50 is Center Spread.
Ya I bought the cinema 50..listened to the video..and took your advice..running 7.1.2...
Thank you for taking the time to explain your setup. I am extremely happy with this reciever. I bought the app...cut off correction at 250...sounds great...I still might experiment some..buti can definitely be happy living with it now.
Literally just got back from the store with mine after grueling analysis paralysis, had to replace the T-778 after sending sending it to be serviced twice in two years… thanks for the review, much love to you, Kristi and the family ❤
Sucks to hear about your T778, but enjoy your new Cinema 50!
Top shelf presentation guys, most enjoyable and informative, just brings a smile, many thanks.
Can't wait for the next Denon review and maybe at some stage the Denon AVR-A1H 8K Receiver + DIRAC. 🎶
Thanks Andrew! Great review. I found it to be very informative and well organized. I also love that you compared the Cinema 50 to the competition. I have a Marantz 9.2 SR7013 (got a great deal at the time) and love it! The only thing that seems to be missing from your Cinema 50 review (unless I missed it; sorry if that is the case) is that, not only is Dirac Live not included at launch as you and Kristi both highlighted, but it also requires the purchase of a license (US$259 - $349), at least as of 8/23/2023. You might want to add that fact in the notes at least as this could be a determining factor for some prospective buyers who are looking at other Dirac Live receivers. I only found out about the license fee after reading one of the comments below.
Keep up the great work! Subscribed to your channel.
I have a Cinema 50 and I really enjoy it, however it should really say DIRAC '*'. Although is supports DIRAC, it obviously does not come with it, and for the price that DIRAC wants for the software (not to mention a microphone), it is hard to justify its cost, especially when Audessey's software upgrade is only $20. After running Audessey Muti EQ, and adjusting a couple of curves, I found it to work better than I expected, and now have little to no desire to shell out the money for DIRAC.
I have been waiting for this review!!! I don’t have space for a dedicated home theater system, but I love watching you review the AV systems!
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How big of a difference is this model when compared to cinema 60? Considering that I have a 7.1 setup(5.1.2) and the room size does not require additional 2 speakers?
Specs wise this just have 10 watts more than the cinema 60 model.
Nice review, Andrew and Kristi. I know that the "incompleteness" of releases these day is maddening, but I think they wanted to get this one out for the 2022 holiday buying season. I suspect that the lack of Dirac probably has something to do with a pending software release. Looking at the Dirac web site, there hasn't been a new download posted there since Spring of 2022. That suggests to me that a significant revision is in beta test right now. Dirac support will probably come in the first quarter of next year once that update is generally available.
Just ordered the Marantz Cinema 50 from Best Buy and saved $500 thru the Marantz promotion. Can't wait to get it and hook it up.
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Marantz was having there 70th Anniversary promotion where you can trade in your old avr and get 20% off the purchase of a Marantz receiver. The promotion ended Nov. 10th. @@vladyslav1987
I was excited to see your review pop up in my feed, Andrew. I just ordered the CINEMA 50 yesterday. It's probably worth mentioning (if I didn't miss it) that unlike the Yamaha situation, the Marantz DIRAC update will be a paid upgrade. It is currently expected in ~March 2023 and best pricing estimate is ~$350 for full range DIRAC Live (timing and cost have not been fully nailed down). The standard partial-range DIRAC Live upgrade is expected to be about $90 cheaper. Owners will be able to start with standard DIRAC Live and upgrade to full range later if desired. DIRAC Live Bass Control is also on the docket but with no time frame. DIRAC spatial correction has not been ruled out but is not on the docket and there is no guarantee that these new receivers are capable of implementing it. In addition to the cost of DIRAC itself, users will need to purchase a microphone like the MiniDSP UMIK-1. The included Audessey mic will not work with DIRAC.
Speaking of the T778 (which I own), that widely hated dongle is literally just a USB hub with Bluetooth and WiFi adapters plugged into it. Nothing more. Anyone who can run wired ethernet into the back of the T778 doesn't even need to plug the dongle in. It says "Bluesound" on it but it is not required for Bluesound functionality.
One last thing as a long-time viewer, first-time commenter: I love your channel but it drives me crazy not to actually _see_ Kristi when she speaks. I assume she's camera shy but this approach is awkward.
Cheers and thanks for the review!
Hello, would you please do a review for the Cinema 40? We know cinema 50 isn’t far off but we would like to see a comparison on the performance. I have not found a review for the Cinema 40 in depth
Hi! Great review as always. I bought the 7015 two weeks ago. Hopefully i will not regret the decision to not wait for the cinema 50 or 40 :)
If you guys could do us a favor, please like the video and share it with your friends if that feels right. The YT algo is being pretty fickle this morning. Thank you!
Yeah, they're shaking up the algorithm (again), so smashing the like button helps A LOT.
Thank you for the review. I have been having problems with my RZ-50 ie OSD not working, 144hz not activating, hdmi switching acting wonky. I always wanted to go Marantz and the 50 fits the bill after seeing your review. Amazon right now has it for $1900! Wow! Thanks again Andrew and Kristi!
Onkyo's RZ50 is tough to best when it comes to Value, and is much better suited for Beginners. (especially since they won't charge you for DIRAC Live)
then again for people who can afford more, the Marantz may be the better brand in terms of critical Music listening.
How big of a difference would you say is it in Music ? Really noticeable ? I like Warmer or Neutral to Warm tending sound.
I can forgive Marantz knowing getting to market before Christmas is important…
And as usual, a great review Andrew, but again, this video again highlights, for me, the dilemma of do I get a good AV receiver, and have to buy the associated “infrastructure” or do I get a really good 2.1 system and buy something like a Samsung Q990B?
I have a 2.1 system for music and a atmos soundbar for movies.
That is a dilemma. If it were me, I'd keep a simple journal for a month or two and just log how much time I spent listening to music vs watching movies. If music is the primary focus then get a good 2.1 setup and add a soundbar. If it turns out to be the other way round, invest in a MODEST HT but one that does well for two channel too!
Really looking forward to your Denon 3800h review. I want to see how it compares to the Marantz cinema 50.
Yes, same here. On paper they look almost the same with the specs. The 3800 might even have a bit more power. Listening to the review and looking at specs its a bit hard to understand why C50 is a $1000 more.
It is interesting that your experience with the Yamaha RX-A8A has been so different from mine. The build quality on mine was impeccable. I was an early adopter of the unit so I received mine prior to yours. Perhaps quality control was better on these earlier units prior to the Covid buying craze and chip shortages. As far as the promised 8K support with VRR and ALLM firmware 1.73 will give the unit those features. I have not seen DIRAC support and you are right YPAO is not all that. I wound up re-calibrating everything by ear after running it. In my room, it did a terrible job at adjusting the bass levels. As far as recommending the unit after living with mine for nearly a year. If you want an AVR that is one of the best for movie watching Yamaha makes a good choice. For music I like the Anthem and Marantz AVRs better. If you looking for 8K gaming with VRR support. I think it wise to shop around and compare your options. The thing I hate most about owning Yamaha is you are an UN-paid beta tester for an receiver that now cost $3549.95. I find that their patches and updates have been coming out way too slow for an expensive flagship product. Which IMHO puts a lot of egg on the face of Yamaha. That being said, you are lucky indeed if you are able to get a hold of one. So they must be doing enough things right. Even with all of Yamaha's failings at providing timely customer support, whenever a dealer manages to get a shipment in, they usually are immediately sold out.
I’m really liking the new Marantz receivers I’m glad I held off and just upgraded my display first. In my case I’d need to go Cinema 40 to meet my needs and I’m probably going to get the soon to be released Denon X4800H instead as I can get that one for much cheaper than the Cinema 40. Marantz sure has nailed it again with a great line up though.
Would love it if you guys also did the AV10 review when it comes out and how standalone sounds vs Cinema 50/40. Thanks.
Thanks! I'm looking at a replacement for my integra 40.3. The new marantz cinema series or another integra are on the list. What are your thoughts? I love the channel BTW.
I have zero hesitation in recommending either the new Cinema Series or an Integra to you. I cannot say which is ultimately going to be best for you and your setup, but both are solid options. You may want to wait for Sunday's review of a new receiver though before making your final decision. Thank you for your support!
I was waiting on this review to buy the Cinema 50 and finally have mine set up with KEF R3s. Yup - def takes a little bit of juice to wake things up. Music sounds flat at a volume of "58" but then at 62 it just opens up and sounds amazing.
You should get an SPL meter (or APP) to learn what "volume" level that really is in your room so you know for future reference when you experiment or change equipment. Unless you've "recalibrated" the receiver to accurately reflect the SPL in your room, 58 could be 70dB or it could be 40. Just a fun experiment you may want to try out. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Yeah, great advice. I don't really know what type of dBs I'm pushing. I'm looking forward to the DIRAC update cause these KEF R3s sound a bit bright to me (I've pointed them almost straight into the room to be about 30 deg off axis to roll off the highs a bit).
HeOS is janky as hell. And HDMI CEC is a major joke (full disclosure, I'm a coauthor of the Blu-ray disc spec so I have some background in AV technical specifications and, more importantly, validation/testing). I turned on my C50, it turns on my Nvidia Shield, turns on my LG OLED . .. then turns on my PS5 (Why?!). THEN, everything turns back off . . . one by one. THEN it all comes back on again!
There is no testing with some of these groups. When I ran a studio tech team (at a company with a mouse as a mascot) my team was in charge of writing the 3D Blu-ray spec. We put in the spec that you MUST pass a verification disc my team wrote. I had them write a disc that tested EVERY SINGLE FEATURE in the spec and produced a pass or fail log. If you failed any of the 30 tests, you did not get that blu-ray logo. HDMI folks need to invest in the testing verification part cause it's a joke.
Also, mentioned to Kristi before - love your video work. Love the beautiful pans across a speaker where the grill magically appears. Beautiful stuff.
If I've learned anything from his page in the 48 hours I've been infatuated with, it is that I you've dreamed about it, I probably won't ever be able to afford it. However, I stick around or the Mrs. perspective pretty much everytime. Great page and you have 1 new fan. Keep up the great work.
Alot of what you see featured can be found open box from reputable sources.
What abou the new Denon 4800H compared to Marantz cinema 50 ?
Thanks! Is there a Yamaha RX-a4a coming soon? Can’t seem to figure out the set up instructions? I can still return my RX-a4a!
Appreciate the support and to answer your question, there are no current plans to review the A4A from Yamaha.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews should I get the TX-NR7100 instead?
If you are newer to owning an AVR (you mentioned having set up concerns), the Onkyo will be a little easier for you to get up and running. Yamaha tends to be a more advanced system with infinite customization options so the learning curve is going to be a lot steeper.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I'm on my 5th avr , this one is a mind twister!
I'm virtually already bent on getting the Cinema 40, which apparently is the Cinema 50 on roids, built in Japan instead of Vietnam, has video component input so can still hook up my beloved Wii, and slightly more juice and few other goodies. Can't wait to till their available with Durac!
My Sony str-dn1080 is broken so I have to replace it, for the life of me those last mentions of the cinema 60 was the tipping point, thank you so much, now I feel so confident in buying it. love u guy`s .
100% dead on again! This looks to be a Denon X3800H with better styling and Marantz' HDAM "richness/warmth". From my experience with the x3800h, everything you said, except for the "Marantz richness", matches up exactly. Im looking forward to your X3800H review to see how you compare the two. Its a great time to be in the market for a AVR! (minus the post pandemic prices, of course). Thanks for another great review!
P.S. - Have you tried Audyssey MultEQ-X? I think you would really like it.
Sir I just watch this video Andrew you are effing crazy I absolutely love the face that you made for the advantage comment!, it’s one of the reasons why I like watching your channel being a lot more real and having fun with it……
Glad you enjoyed it!
Glad I managed to snag a Arcam AVR20 for 3100€, the Cinema lineup is just too expensive for what it offers.
The X3800H seems like the sweet spot to me.
The Denon X3700H is on sale for only $1200 right now. Worth considering the older model, same power output
@@nafnaf0 - That sale price is nearly the same original launch price. They jacked up the price from $1,200 to $1,600 last year.
Hey Andrew, good review on the Cinema 50. Now I have yet another new AVR to consider…whew! Actually, I do believe it’s great to have choices, of course. After your review and fondness for the RZ50, I have been stoking my AVR piggy bank for that fine Onkyo. I have long been a fan of Pioneer Elite, my current VSX-90 has served me well for 6 years, with the eARC beginning to get flakey. That port just seems to always be the first to go on AVRs. I feel that the RZ50 will be the perfect replacement for my Pioneer Elite, as I auditioned one last week. Strong even-keeled amplification, and ALL of the features I want, including DIRAC. I know that both Pioneer and Onkyo belong to PAG. I appreciated your perspectives in your discussion about Onkyo’s filing for restructuring. It’s always best to go into a purchase with your eyes wide open! One note on the Yamaha AVANTAGE: It’s such a shame that they skimped on the DIRAC being part of the package. Normally I wouldn’t probably worry about it missing. I just feel like it was a somewhat of a patronizing move on Yamaha’s part, like “oh they won’t notice it missing”. So, after all of that winding road, I don’t feel like the Cinema 50 is worth the extra $1k, and the RZ50 having noticeably more power (on paper anyway) is enticement enough for me.
Thank you for the continued quality reviews Andrew and Kristi!
I have a Marantz SR6012 and have been wanting a pre-pro upgrade to the 7706 before replacing. AV10 is out of current budget and overkill for me. This looks interesting to replace mine and MiniDSP for my 3 subs. I am waiting however until reviews of Dirac and spatial bass with using multiple subs. As is I will stick with what I have Yes Marantz tripped up. If Dirac was available I would have upgraded. Now competitors like Emotiva have time to get their bleep together and me save more for other competitors. I think anyone in this price market is going to wait whether new purchase or upgrade existing. Why spend more on a competitor if Dirac makes a huge improvement? Why spend less on potential inferior product when Dirac is around the corner?
Nice update, especially for HDMI supporting complete 2.1 set and Dirac where's provided... Said that internally it's always same stuff, Dirac is not a game changer for me and I'd save money with old lineup, unless HDMI 2.1 is required for whole setup.
I'd never give 8015 into for Cinema50...
Hi Andrew, love all your reviews, just wondering when are you going to review the cinema 40?
Really thinking about buying one, but been waiting for your review to get your thoughts :)
Thanks Chris
2 channel is my priority but I did get a preamp with HT pass through to easily link a pro/receiver to my system. My Pioneer Elite from 2009 is getting a little long in the tooth and the Cinema 60 ticks all the right boxes. I'm currently running a 4.1 system and have a center channel speaker in storage so 5.1 is about as far as I go. Thanks for the review.
Question Is it possible to connect the Denafrips Ares II DAC to the Marantz Cinema 50 without using a computer? Thanks in advance
Thanks for the clarity Andrew. Seeing your review, I’ve just upgraded to Cinema 50 from my long serving Denon AVR-X1100W.
Further to Cinema 50, ai even upgraded my speakers to Polk Audio R700 and this is a serious two channel as well as a home theatre. This is the best audiophile sound I’ve experienced so far. Thank you Andrew ans Kristie.
These damn reviews somehow put this invisible pressure on my arm to pull my wallet from thy pocket.... hahahaha.... Cheers.. Our drink this evening was the original James Bond Martini, known as the Vesper... :)
Appreciate your support ABX. I enjoyed a refreshing mix of Limoncello, Elderflower liquor and Prosecco at lunch today.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Well played Sir. Well played. :) Hope you both have a fantastic evening.
As always, another great review! Looking forward for the review on the Arendal 1961 towers and center.
The thing that burns me about DIRAC isn't that it's a later update, but that you have to pay for a license. They're selling this product with the DIRAC logo. I shouldn't have to buy separately what they're telling me I'm going to get. If it was a free update later, that's fine. Not great, but ok. But to have to buy a license as well, there is nothing about DIRAC that comes with the Cinema50 other than the capability to add it later.
Other than that, it looks like the Cinema50 is a perfect fit for what I'm looking for, but that whole DIRAC issue is really bothering me. I can't decide if that's a deal breaker or not.
Dirac came to picture now. But prior to dirac also maranz did well. And audissy is also there. Heard it is updated I don't know. Got the Marantz50
I love yall reviews, but I especially love a marantz review. Definitely one of my favorite hifi brands.
Hi Andrew and Kristi, in the review you said that the sound between the Cinema 50 and SR8015 is close enough, but you said that the Cinema 50 has worse dynamics compared to x3800h, and in the SR8015 you said that you never heard better dynamics before in a receiver, so one key difference between the sound of the Cinema 50 and SR8015 is that the SR8015 has much better Dynamics?
Thanks Andrew. I have been on the fence about this AVR since my SR6012 began having issues. This was a very informative presentation. I purchased one tonight.
I am wondering if Andrew could elaborate more on his selection of the cinema 50 over the rz50. They seem pretty evenly matched and have a big price difference. What about the cinema 50 performance was better? I am looking for a new reciever for a dedicated theater room for video games and movies. Is the sound quality really worth the $900 premium? Seems like the answer is yes but please elaborate 😊. Great video I love the detail and amazing production quality of your videos. Top notch!
I was trying to replace my Yamaha RX-A2A with a Marantz 8015 after watching your review of it. Then Sony finally came back and after watching your 7000ES, I ordered the 5000ES. It arrived Saturday and installed it yesterday (3/12). Love 360 sound. Thank you. Perfect with RP-8000F!
How do you like it compared to the A2A? How did the room correction do with your subwoofers?
Marantz is waiting for the brand new Spatial Dirac software to be completed by Dirac. If you only wanted the current NON Spatial version, the yes, It would have been included in the release of the Marantz 50.
Someone else who gets it!
@@Wozzaatwozza Makes sense. Let's hope that's it and that there isn't some technical hurdle in the way as well.
oops I should have added: Yes and what if the new Dirac software is delayed? Don't think software projects aren't delayed!
This would make sense. But how do you know it, is this just your guess?
@@minos64 During the press release of Dirac they mentioned the new version will be available on the new Marantz processors. Then during the Marantz release at Cedia that the units Dirac upgrade comes with the new Dirac version to be released.
What’s very interesting is how MIMO Dirac approaches room correction very differently. Revolutionary!!!!
All other room corrections will now be like the difference between SVHS and HDMI
Great episode. it's cool to see the Model30 look taking over. Nice video.
I don’t love HEOS by any stretch, but I use it because I don’t know of any easier and better way to stream lossless audio from Amazon Music. If there is a way, please somebody tell me. I know there are options that add equipment and in turn cost money. As mediocre as HEOS is, it’s free with the receiver.
Thanks!
Thank you ❤
eager to see a review of the Arendal 1961 towers!
I've just bought the Cinema 50 and pairing it with a Monitor Audio 7.1.2 speaker system and a Samsung 85" Qled TV, as I'm a longterm MARANTZ user and like their products sound and quality. Regarding the omission of DIRAC I view this a a win-win. I get some new tech to play with at Xmas which will be lovely and then in 3 months I get the DIRAC firmware upgrade so it will be like having new kit again
I have Monitor Audio Silver 200, recently at 5.0. My Cinema 50 arrived yesterday and I need to test it against my cca 4 years old Denon x3500h. As for the Dirac - while it might arrive in 2-3 months, it is going to be a paid and quite expensive feature, no? It will surely be interesting to compare it to the Audyssey paid app.
Hi, How do the monitor audio sound with the cinema 50 ?
How does this compare with the NADT778 for music? Also has Dirac actually now been made available for this? Thanks!
I've always felt like Marantz puts out a really good 'sound' with their A/V products and have always loved the brand. I've never used DIRAC, so I am not sure what I am missing and maybe that was their thought process with not having it already built in - "well, most of our customers haven't ever had it so they won't miss it that much", lol. yeah, it should have been fully baked at release for sure. My internal battle has been the RZ50 (because I like the lower price) vs. the Cinema 50 (because I love the Marantz sound and brand). I have the Cinema 50 pre-ordered, but that extra $900 is significant (to me, anyway). Love your reviews, Thank you for all you both put into these!
The rz50 is a damn good value at its price. Fantastic product. I have an older rz series onkyo, and while marantz is superior is hard to ignore how good the onkyo is at its price.
I am in this same delema. I am not an audiophile and onkyo receivers have done well for me in my living room setups in the past. But now I am creating a dedicated theater with an Epson LS12000 4K 120HZ Projector. I wish there was a way to quantify the sound quality and profile. I don't really have a budget but I like finding that quality and value combo. I am willing to pay more for measurable performance & quality improvements. With the dirac live upgrade the cinema 50 would be $1200-$1400 more. Seems the quality would need to be vastly better to justify the price difference.
I can only speak from personal experience as someone who went from a Marantz 6013 to RZ50. I have found Audyssey so incredibly frustrating even with the most stringent full runs. Dirac truly made my room come alive. It was almost like I bought new speakers along with the AVR. It's so far ahead of Audyssey and YPAO it's just nuts. You'd have to experience the difference with your own ears. Marantz definitely has a nice flavor of sound and I did like the few years I spent with the 6013 but the Onkyo felt like one of the most significant upgrades I've ever made just because of Dirac.
@@maokinus the new denon models look promising as well and have dirac and cost less than their similarly priced marantz counterpart.
@@charlesking678 Yes I plan on checking that one out too. I hate the port hole. I will have a dedicated rack for my gear so looks are not too important to me.
I'm a gamer and rarely a movie watcher but when I watch them, I really like to enjoy them. Is the Marantz 50 a balanced purchase for performance/cost? I plan to explore 7.2 (two subwoofers). Luckily I live in an apartment with really great concrete and neighbours can't hear anything on my current 2.1 system. I liked your video (I am subscribing) Cheers from Chile!
Great review, Andrew! I instantly clicked thumbnail, even though this model is out of my price range, and beyond my needs for my small condo.
Hoping that you guys can review the Cinema 70s in the near future, since that's definitely more suitable for my needs and space (I nearly bought the NR1711, but I'm waiting for the 70s now cause I love the design).
We may give the 70 a look soon. Thanks for tuning in!
I HATE the porthole screen on my Marantz. I dont know whats going on with my receiver AND I have to walk up to it to read the screen. Why did they even give us a remote if they want up to walk up to the AVR to see anything? If they want to keep the porthole look, why don't they make it bigger? If things don't change, I'm going back to Onkyo.
Hey Kx, I am a life long Onkyo fan as well as Marantz fan. I had the RZ50 and it was everything I could ask for, Including the awesome sound from DIRAC but it did have a display defect where there was NO DISPLAY at all (this happened 1 week or so into new ownership) so I returned it. So I was very sad to say the least as I love the RZ50 style, sound, power seamless integration with my home audio setup. BTW DIRAC was awesome.
I currently have an old Marantz SR5011that is flawless. Only thing it has 7 channels where I need 9 plus 4 independent sub outlet, and that is where the 40 comes in.
I also hate that SR5011 Porthole, but love the addition of the LCD readout under the flip panel of the 40 is a big part on my wanting the Cinema 40 (Besides fours subs, awesome looking copper screws and being made in Japan.
So in short I want another RZ50 but cannot trust it due to the earlier mentioned fault and that it is 2 years old by now. I got the feeling a RZ51 or something is in the works....... Maybe Onkyo will up their game 1Q23 too compete with the new Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon models.
IF Onkyo upgrades their current model in the next few months I may change my mind and go with Onkyo again.
@@aspjake123 I wanted the RZ50 when I bought my SR6015 last year but they were on backorder and the store did not know when they were coming in (over100 preorders). So I just bit the bullet and got the Marantz. I'm not blown away by it. The sound is ok and for some reason, the phono stage is really low, I have to crank it up to at least 70dbs to enjoy my my records ( I could always buy a phono amp but that would defeat the purpose of the avr). So I decided to see if the RZ is in stock now and yes they are. The store offered to credit me $1100 for my Marantz towards the RZ. I'm really tempted but to lose $1000 kinda hurts.
I’m waiting for the AV10 Processor. For me it’s between the Anthem AVM90 vs Marantz AV10. If you can, please get a pre-pro for review. I find that balanced connections take music and movies to the next level.
Hi Andrew- when you review the Denon X1700H can you please compare the 2-Channel audio sound quality to the Marantz Cinema 50? Thx!
I just got a 50 in champagne silver... in an dark ikea cabinet with a white left and right compartment and it just looks greath ... and the sound ...well its just what you would expect running with svs ultra speakers ...it does come more to live at 50-60 volume, then the room is full of sound so plenty volume left ....menu looks better than denon....the best thing is the backlight for the remote ...7.2.2 svs ultra towers, bookshelfs surround back and 2 seelinh speakers (bower wilkins-am1) subs= Bose ( ill try to make a video later on the setup )
How do you think the cinema 50 will drive kef ls50 metas? I know the kefs sensitivity is pretty low.
It would be great if you could create a video of your setup when going via Audyssey and configuring it manually so I can compare.
Also when you setup your Xbox do you have to turn on the amplifier in order for the Xbox to work? I was attempting to set mine up so I could play games on the Xbox One without needing the amp on for it to display the game
And I just ordered one today! Super excited for my first AVR
Hope you enjoy it!
Cinema 40 is out! Curious how much better it is.
QOTD: Normally I would say yes they absolutely did but the fact that they do have the decently comparable Audessy available at launch I think makes it ok, at least in my book
Nice but it should have a screen at least as large as a S22 or iPhone 14 max. You can get an android table with a 10" screen for $120 - that includes the battery and computer - an AV receiver in 2022 should have a better screen than your fridge.
Other than some potential interference issues with the onboard electronics, I don't see why these products continue to look like something from the 90's.
Andrew for the older receivers like the 8015 and 6015, you can use MultEQ-X by Audyssey. Its different from the XT32, you should check it out. The upgrade is $200 per person per receiver
How does it compare to arcam avr20 or 21?
I have a SR7008.... after they continually had a non-functional Pandora app and couldn't fix it for over a year, I swore I'd never buy another Marantz. So I'm not surprised about the DIRAC b.s. I also hate that they got rid of the second display behind the front door... All of that said... I love the Marantz sound.
The Cinema 40 has a second display behind the front door
@ Yes but for $2500 the 50 should have it as well.
After watching your review the other day I ended up buying the Marantz Cinema 50
Nice!!
Well, feedback please! How do you like it?
Great review like always ! I have the RZ50 in bedroom 5.2.4 setup and it sounds fantastic !! I have The new Denon X3800H in my living room with a 7.2.4 setup and it sounds awesome with music and movies. I think you are gonna be pleasantly surprised with the X3800H . Can’t wait to hear you and krist’ s thoughts on it.
Which do you think is better ?
@@Dannyboy623 I’m liking the Denon more right now !!
First thing first HIT THAT LIKE, SHARE AND SUBSCRIBE.. by now there is no reason you shouldn't this helps out Andrew and Kristi. They work hard and it shows in every review... okay back to our regularly scheduled comment 🤣
Did Marantz drop the ball with Dirac ummmmm yeah!! Like really WHAT were they thinking seriously. This definitely isn't a new still in development thing! On another note I agree with your mention Andrew this receiver is a breath of fresh air. The looks just are settling and just down right Presents itself with a sleek look and design. I really wish it was time for me to upgrade because I do want to run 2 more channels instead of my 5.1.2 setup. Other than that this is just another receiver I can only wish for! Great review as always guys! 👏🏽
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Should we technically call this a "Receiver" given that it does not have a tuner built in?
Well, as a thoroughbred YAMAHA fan I'm in love with that perfect clean look of Onkyo TX-RZ50.
It's simply a timeless design. Maybe the most beautiful AVR ever manufactured but I can't say the same for Marantz AVR line.
- Nope, I didn't and never mention anything about the newer (2020 & up) Yamaha AVRs... They are the objects of HATE, period !
I'm thinking the cinema 50 with couple of basx a1 would be perfect for a 7.4.4 setup driving the Polk Reserve series.
It would be killer!
Good morning guys, thanks for the review.
I would have loved to see dirac out of the box, manufacturers are famous for promising a feature in the future, and then it being underwhelming, buggy or late to get to the general public when (if) it ever happens. Not saying that marantz will do that, but i ddint think yamaha would either...
I think its more visually appealing than the previous marantz receivers, but i also find i dont care too much visually about an AVR since its generally mounted in a cabinet or rack in my experience. Its not an Integrated Amplifier which i would expect to be "on display" more often.
Also i have found that my Onkyo RZ-50 has more than enough power to run a home theater without external amplification.. My Emotiva A2 is just sitting next to my cabinet not plugged in and i couldnt be happier. Given that the Onkyo is 1000$ cheaper and has Dirac out of the box i cant see the reason to buy the marantz for 40% more. The onkyo is beautiful in its own right with the stout feet, taller chassis, and the clean front with the door shut. With the door open there are a ton of buttons, a great screen for making adjustments and they STILL have a great app and tons of power and preouts. Selling my Onkyo RZ50 for this never even crossed my mind, and I certainly wouldnt do it without dirac being released and there being a few months of stability under its belt.
I would 100% urge you (or anyone) NOT to sell their RZ50 in favor of the Cinema 50. Tonally there is a difference, and while I subjectively prefer the sound of the Marantz to the Onkyo, it is not a night and day difference and thus I am not ditching my RZ50 either. Plus as you point out, it's fully realized now whereas we have to wait and see with the Cinema 50.
Hey Andrew. Which one, Arendal 1723 or Polk R700?
Nope, not giving that info away until the Arendal review coming up.
Stellar review as always. Looks like a definitive upgrade to the SR6014/6015.
Btw, any chance for a Cinema 70s review as well? It's basically a NR1711 successor but now with proper 5-channel pre-outs. Could be a banger for smaller size venues.
How so?
This vs 8015 vs cinema 40 in terms of 2 channel audio quality
❤ this advice since it’s exactly what I’m focused on now. I want an AVR that does great surround audio and has Dirac and costs between $1K & $2k. Our Denon AVR 1500 was put to shame when I plugged in a stereo tube amp for playing CDs and vinyl to the same speakers. The amps are on a switcher going to our commodity Klipsch R820Fs and the low powered Reisong tube amp turns those speakers into actual hifi boxes. I want a multichannel AVR receiver that can do that for my surround sound audio discs. ❤ your channel btw!
I want you to know I come to your channel for your cinematography. It can't be easy setting up and doing all of those B-roll shots to such a meticulous standard. But it sets your channel apart, I appreciate it and it's what I come for. If ever you're frustrated, or run into problems with the B-roll and think "does anyone even care?". Just wanted to let you know I care, I see, and I am grateful for it.
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P.S. Also for Kristi. She's great. You should marry her twice just to be sure she stays.
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I was always impressed with how clean Andrew's videos are. Both in in B-roll, A-roll and.... Kristi-roll? 😁
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I think Kristi is correct, the Yamaha Aventage AVR’s still don’t have full HDMI 2.1 features. QMS and QFT are missing which prevents blank screens in movies and for reducing latency in gaming, respectively. Not good at all!
Isn't DRAC a upgrade you must pay for on this ?
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Yes, there will be a fee associated with DIRAC which is common amongst products like this one.
I have an SR7013 and an SR6014 (two different rooms). I could care less about DIRAC. I don't need 8k. I am not in the market for an AVR. So it does not bother me DIRAC was not functioning with the release. Thanks again!
Andrew is obviously much more qualified than I am, but unless you just have to have a Marantz, I wouldn’t get a Cinema 60. It won’t have Dirac support, it’s only 7 channels with no additional pre-outs, and the two sub channels are not independent. For the same money you can get the new Denon 3800h or the Onkyo RZ50 which is back in stock, and spec wise they are closer to the cinema 50. If you can afford to splurge for the 50, god bless and enjoy. Otherwise I’d get one of those 2.
Actually I would love to see a comparison between the rz50 and the 3800h. They one up each other in different areas and I would have a hard time deciding between them.
Also, I might be wrong, but from what I’m gathering, Dirac is going to be an "optional upgrade", meaning it’s going to cost money. That’s messed up if that’s the case. You can get $1000 receivers now that come with Dirac so I really hope this isn’t the case.
DIRAC is an optional upgrade on most devices. This is fairly standard.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thanks for the reply Andrew! So what does dirac support even mean then? Or do you need to use something like a minidsp to use dirac on most devices? And it's built in on these? It has to be something lol.
@@spizzlo I've owned multiple devices with DIRAC. There are different versions. The basic DIRAC Live version covers the frequency range that is affected by room interactions. Check for yourself on anything you're considering, but my impression is that this is usually included for free. This is definitely true of the NAD T778. The upgrade from the free version with limited frequency range to the version with full range is $99. DIRAC Bass Control would be even more though it is irrelevant for the T778. My understanding (from other commenters) is that Onkyo's RZ50 gives you the full range DIRAC Live free out of the box. I haven't confirmed this.
The RZ50 comes standard with DIRAC LIVE but not the full version of DIRAC. As with most products, the full version of DIRAC is an upgrade ($).
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thanks for the clarification.
Just got my Cinema 50 the other day and I'm well pleased with it, except that it does kinda stick out of my cabinet a bit (being a few centimeters deeper than my old Denon). Got some cabinet DIY to do, I guess. I haven't put it properly through it paces yet though, just some light PS5 gaming to see how hot it gets in the current (slightly cramped) cabinet space.
A few small complaints:
- The power up sequence is noticeably slow. When the AVR is started by your TV via CEC, it takes a good while until the sounds start coming out through the AVR. More so than with my old Denon X2200W, so that's an unfortunate bit of a regression compared to a much older and cheaper AVR.
Edit: This isn't exactly the case; it depends on what mode the AVR was in when turned off (which is the mode it will boot into). The "long" power up happens if it boots into HEOS. So if you listened to something through HEOS, it's good practise to switch to something else before powering the AVR off.
- The porthole... I thought I'd love it because it looks cool in the pictures, but in reality it's so functionally limited because of the small size that I'm definitely not in love with it. Not awful but not great.
- The app is great, except when it isn't. You generally get whatever you need to do done, but it's rarely a smooth experience. It's often somewhat unresponsive, sometimes out of sync with the AVR and few times it has just hanged. Also, it's basically the same app that was available to my 7-year old Denon without any noticeable UI or performance improvements. Again, not awful but definitely not great. The web interface seems a bit quicker and more responsive though so maybe that's the solution.
Those aside, I love how it looks (I got the silver/white one, just because I was tired of black boxes), how it sounds (so far) and the feature set is impeccable. Also the price was right; here in Finland it sells for 2000e which is only 200e more than the Denon X3800H and going other brands would've meant giving up features (typically at least HDMI 2.1-related) or paying 50-100% more (looking at you, Anthem).
thanks for sharing, is it awesome for music such pop or instrumental ?
@@ranggaputra7750 Well, I definitely like how music sounds through it but my main use is series and movies. What I noticed immediately vs my old Denon is how much richer my front speakers (Dali Oberon 7s) sound with it, making the subwoofer almost redundant for music listening. Other than that I can't really give any competent description, sorry.
@@msironen thanks Matti 👍👍
What about the cinema 40??
Just got the Cinema 60 in. Love the sound but after hearing the 60 won't get Dirac, it's going back. And since the Onkyo RZ50 is not available in Europe, Denon all of a sudden becomes a really good option.
Besides Dirac and the 4 sub outs, etc., does the Cinema 50 actually sound better than the SR6015?
I agree with you on the manual tuning, currently I have the 8012 and love it maybe its time to upgrade. I am an installer and in the pass used quite alot of denon products because of good value for money but started to get multiple failures due to a bad hdmi board so I stay away from them now like covid, lol. Doing a home theatre for a client now and I am using JBL synthesis.
For over 10 years I’ve been wanting to love a Marantz AVR, but I really REALLY hate that little port-hole display!! Nobody could possibly read that from their listening/viewing position.
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