Peter and Josh waterproof a foam board airplane with Polycrylic. More details available here: www.flitetest.com/articles/wat... Thanks for all of your support!
I would love to see an episode on painting planes. Mainly the different types of foams and how best to apply the paint as well as what type of paint works best.
Nice idea! For planes like the F22 (which I have build and destroyed 4 ), this would be great to pre-do 2 dollar tree panels first, lightly sand, no paint, build F-22 using those 2 dried panels., then re-coat and do final coats and painting.
Just rewatched this. You can also use thinned white glue, 2:1 glue to water. May be cheaper. After watching this, I would have used this method to cover my EPO foam turtle deck for the FT Racer, see my article on FT.
I have done a similar thing with some of my balsa planes but using PVA watered down which shrinks back to make a nice tight surface ready to be flatted and painted :)
I wasn't aware of the availability of craft paper. I knew the British have been covering planes with brown paper for decades but the stuff Peter uses seems really light. What are your thoughts of using it over Depron? Just thought of something. I'm drawing up a cartoon C-17 & Cessna Citation/Lear and now I'm thinking I might be able to apply the brown paper to the one side of the Depron while it is still flat and then roll the foam'paper into it's elliptical shape using the paper to force the foam into compression as opposed to it stretching. Do you think the paper would prevent it from rolling. The minimum radius would be somewhere around 1.5 inches/ 40 mm. Nice video. I have another fuselage which is a combination of light white foam block and Depron and I'm anxious to try this procedure on that. It should also work nicely on wire cut blue foam. It is 0552 in the morning so I guess there isn't any reason to go to bed. I think I'll get dressed and go to Walmart.
I haven't left for Walmart yet so I watched the video again and you recommended not to cover wings with the craft paper and so I'm wondering why? Again the video was very helpful for my new designs. Thanks
Obviously this is a good tip for the kits as they use paper covered foamboard. but if you use something like Depron, and make sure to fully glue every joint, there's no need to water proof it.
Nice. Now can you please educate us on waterproofing other parts? Like motor connections (is heatshrinking enough?), ESCs (remove heatshrink and dip in liquid electrical tape?) etc etc Thanks :)
I think I would have just laminated it in thin document laminating foil. I have most of my foamies covered in that stuff. It makes them very tough, and I'm sure if you are careful when applying it you can make it waterproof.
I do almost this exact same method with a mix of elmers white glue, and water. It works great and gets very similar results, and may be cheaper than polycrilic.
I'm feeling a little uneasy about peeling the paper skin off of my flying wing to implement this method. I'm looking for a waterproofing method that I can apply to the paper side of the foam core.
Well that's a great idea! I already have all these materials so guess I know what to do with it now... BIXLER.... Still waiting for the Ice bucket challenge, you have been called out brother!!!!
I was thinking the same thing. I just got a bixler v1.1 and I have a bixler 3 as well as a couple of foam large fpv wings. I just wasnt sure what kind of foam is in the foamboard vs the foam that the bixlers are made of. You know if it reacts or sticks a s well to that kind of foam.
Just did some testing using this method on the DTFB and the water based coating. It works BUT does not solve the number one issue with this foam board, adhesion. The original paper and this new technique still does NOT adhere to the foam. This is the biggest downfall of this foam. After a crash or hard landing, the foam separates from the paper and this causes structural weaknesses. I have found the only glue that really Sticks to this foam is foam safe instant glue, and to re-glue a whole sheet is not practical from a cost point of view.
I contacted the manufacturer of this DTFB and they admit to using a less expensive glue, and they had no motivation for us RC people to upgrade the glue on this product, even after I explained the cost/benefit for this industry...
Its definitely possible. If you're going to use water based acrylic with glass, make sure you're using very light glass cloth or it'll weigh a lot more than the light paper used here. Another option is to use epoxy resin, and apply heat to it while applying. You can then squeegee out the excess with a credit card or similar until there's just enough left to hold it on securely. You could maybe apply glass with whatever resin, and no talc, then after that's cured, apply resin+talc powder over the top as a filler/sanding sealer to fill the small gaps in the cloth's weave that it leaves behind. hope this helps you with your idea!
I recently got a fly sky fs- gr3e. Once it came in the mail I got it out and plugged my motor, servo, and power. She ran fine for about five minutes then, poof. Nothing! I felt the back of the receiver and it got incredibly hot. Now if I apply any power, nothing else, it starts to get hot. Can you help me?
***** Here in Australia you can get foam board but it is as expensive as Depron and Depron is a superior product for modelling. So yes, please do a Depron build guide. Also Depron versions of the plans would be good. I have built the FT Spitfire and the FT Baby Blender but they weren't easy because I had to modify the plans as I went.
Great idea +jakeEboy Building with depron videa would be awesome, in UK is cheaper than foam-board and "better" because the foamboard i can find is kinda cardboard backed rather than paper backed and destroys razor blades when cutting it :-(
One thing to note when building FT planes using Depron - I have found that the CG moves back a little bit so you might want to move some electronics like servos forward an inch or so.
Borko Jandras Wow! That's really cheap. Where is that? I buy it by the case (20 sheets) and it works out to about $11 per sheet. That's the cheapest I can find in Australia.
A much easier way... is using pour on epoxy, that is used for glossing tables. Brush on thin layer. Get the slow dry kind. Its called... pour on.. and it is literally.... the absolute best thing ever. I built a foamy in 2006... that is still in same condition now as it was then. Put it on AFTER paint. You can paint it after coating it if you want it matte... but you would need to scuff it with sandpaper.
Josh would it be posable to have you make a quad copter for my band because our band director wants to see it from the air and we have no way to see it outer ways. I think it would mean the world to him because we are a very well know band and we never have seen our filed show from the sky. If you could make this you will make a lot of people very happy.
foam melt whit polyurethan, but water base acryl paint can use. cheap and ewery shop have cheap acryl paint. most popular spray paint not can use melt foam.
I do not see enough advantage in removing the paper just to put on a little better paper. My opinion is to leave the existing paper, use the oil based poly procedure on the entire airplane, then paint. The baby powder can still be used with oil based to get a smoother painting surface.
Why not use corrugated plastic to make planes?They are a bit heavier than foam but you would not have to waterproof them.Also planes made out of them are almost indestructible.
Let's all fly Josh's yellow sub-airplane...yellow sub-airplane...yellow sub-airplane. Let's all fly Josh's yellow....errrrrip, hey who scratched their record........man I was hoping for a maiden kerplunck, I mean flight test. Maybe you could glue a couple of water noodles cut at an angle, and holes covered for floats.
use cheap acryl paint mix whit water 60/40 about and spray cover to plane,m have dry is same than plastic cover. all water base paint work well. but best methor have monocote cover film heat arounf plane. and then paint what want decoratives and text add stickers.
hey guys i want to buy a flite test plane and build it or buy one but i want one i can customize with bomb drops and stuff like that if you could get back to me that would be AWESOME thx and if you do can it be under $200 thx
Jack Simonson?pageId=101866118233328199374 You do know the Flite Test Store? store.flitetest.com You can get most planes featured in builds there and they have hints on electronics you need besides the basic frames.You can modify all scratch build planes for bomb drops and stuff. You just need to be a little creative ;). They've made a few videos where they show how to do bomb drops. @watch?v=EB91OtfcbPM
Peter is still new to FliteTest. Like David, I think we will see Peter develop more character in videos. I agree with Dano though. This is just a FliteTest video, but we watch it like Tool Time from the old show Home Improvement.
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Peter has really turned out to be a nice addition to yalls group!
I would love to see an episode on painting planes. Mainly the different types of foams and how best to apply the paint as well as what type of paint works best.
Next episode! Potato-gun/air cannon launched glider challenge!
Always puts a smile on my face!
Always enjoy your videos!
I like it your videos became short but more focused well done!
Thank you both for the very important information. looks to me that it will really make the plane stronger also.
Nice video as always! A review and test on the hobbyking sk450 and explaining a way to put an fpv setup on it would be awesome, just a suggestion!
Great idea on how to waterproof it! Thanks for being awesome!!!
Awesome! More of these scratch building tips!
2:40 gave me a solid chuckle. Well done.
Question for Peter. Why do you not recommend this procedure for the wings? BTW Awesome Idea! !!!! Thanks
I take apart everything and coat with Conformal coating , working great so far
Nice idea! For planes like the F22 (which I have build and destroyed 4 ), this would be great to pre-do 2 dollar tree panels first, lightly sand, no paint, build F-22 using those 2 dried panels., then re-coat and do final coats and painting.
+1 for "I had some." LOLed at work!
The sound of him painting the foam is giving me goosebumps
Great tip
Can you hot glue over the water based Minwax I know you can't over the oil based and if not what adhesive do you use to finish plane? Thank you.
Does it work as well if you just apply a few coats of WBPU to the original paper then add a couple coats of the talcum powder mix to it.
Just rewatched this. You can also use thinned white glue, 2:1 glue to water. May be cheaper. After watching this, I would have used this method to cover my EPO foam turtle deck for the FT Racer, see my article on FT.
Hi did you try with white glue after all? once dry,wouldn't white glue become slimy if it gets wet?
I have done a similar thing with some of my balsa planes but using PVA watered down which shrinks back to make a nice tight surface ready to be flatted and painted :)
Q
I really needed this video. I was flying my airplane once with some overcast and then in started raining in mid flight. My airplane was wrecked.
I wasn't aware of the availability of craft paper. I knew the British have been covering planes with brown paper for decades but the stuff Peter uses seems really light. What are your thoughts of using it over Depron? Just thought of something. I'm drawing up a cartoon C-17 & Cessna Citation/Lear and now I'm thinking I might be able to apply the brown paper to the one side of the Depron while it is still flat and then roll the foam'paper into it's elliptical shape using the paper to force the foam into compression as opposed to it stretching. Do you think the paper would prevent it from rolling. The minimum radius would be somewhere around 1.5 inches/ 40 mm. Nice video. I have another fuselage which is a combination of light white foam block and Depron and I'm anxious to try this procedure on that. It should also work nicely on wire cut blue foam. It is 0552 in the morning so I guess there isn't any reason to go to bed. I think I'll get dressed and go to Walmart.
I haven't left for Walmart yet so I watched the video again and you recommended not to cover wings with the craft paper and so I'm wondering why? Again the video was very helpful for my new designs. Thanks
Love the out outro
When is the mini cargo coming out!?
how would you guys at flight test feel about if i decided to do this to your kraken build would it become to heavy?
You think they can do a heavy fighter with paint ball guns or a fighter like a p51.
Will this work on the FT DART?? I was looking into this or vinyl wrap
Obviously this is a good tip for the kits as they use paper covered foamboard. but if you use something like Depron, and make sure to fully glue every joint, there's no need to water proof it.
Nice. Now can you please educate us on waterproofing other parts? Like motor connections (is heatshrinking enough?), ESCs (remove heatshrink and dip in liquid electrical tape?) etc etc
Thanks :)
What is that yellow double engine plane at the end of the video. Is there a build video for that one?
Greetings
Erik
just wondering....can I use this method for a wood ribbed airplane???
I think I would have just laminated it in thin document laminating foil.
I have most of my foamies covered in that stuff. It makes them very tough, and I'm sure if you are careful when applying it you can make it waterproof.
Nice...
I do almost this exact same method with a mix of elmers white glue, and water. It works great and gets very similar results, and may be cheaper than polycrilic.
Do you still cover with craft paper?
what was on the wall flanked by the 2 FMS TRainers ? LOOKS BOSS
I'm having so much problem to tune the kk 2.1.5 board please clear my dout
大変ユニークで為になる動画でした。
Yess!!! Water proof
could you use Elmers glue instead?
I'm feeling a little uneasy about peeling the paper skin off of my flying wing to implement this method. I'm looking for a waterproofing method that I can apply to the paper side of the foam core.
Oil based poly
that ending was great, can that just be a default??? thats great
Well that's a great idea! I already have all these materials so guess I know what to do with it now... BIXLER.... Still waiting for the Ice bucket challenge, you have been called out brother!!!!
I was thinking the same thing. I just got a bixler v1.1 and I have a bixler 3 as well as a couple of foam large fpv wings. I just wasnt sure what kind of foam is in the foamboard vs the foam that the bixlers are made of. You know if it reacts or sticks a s well to that kind of foam.
#FliteTest How much strength would that add to the model ?
can you do this on pink hardware store foam?
What about painting the plane with Plastidip to water proof and paint?
Can you make the Rockwell
Can you just USE waterresistant foam?
Just did some testing using this method on the DTFB and the water based coating. It works BUT does not solve the number one issue with this foam board, adhesion. The original paper and this new technique still does NOT adhere to the foam. This is the biggest downfall of this foam. After a crash or hard landing, the foam separates from the paper and this causes structural weaknesses. I have found the only glue that really Sticks to this foam is foam safe instant glue, and to re-glue a whole sheet is not practical from a cost point of view.
I contacted the manufacturer of this DTFB and they admit to using a less expensive glue, and they had no motivation for us RC people to upgrade the glue on this product, even after I explained the cost/benefit for this industry...
Ft corsair? Please think about this and consider it :)
This is really just a question do you guys have extra mini rc planes
Cause I never really had
leavell02 They have some micro planes on their todo list for winter :)
will the powder also work if I use lightweight fiberglass instead of the brown paper?
Its definitely possible. If you're going to use water based acrylic with glass, make sure you're using very light glass cloth or it'll weigh a lot more than the light paper used here. Another option is to use epoxy resin, and apply heat to it while applying. You can then squeegee out the excess with a credit card or similar until there's just enough left to hold it on securely. You could maybe apply glass with whatever resin, and no talc, then after that's cured, apply resin+talc powder over the top as a filler/sanding sealer to fill the small gaps in the cloth's weave that it leaves behind. hope this helps you with your idea!
Peter great tips!
It would be way better if you can speak a little bit slower, helps to digest it.
Yes I found it hard to understand Peter at critical point about not treating the wings
I recently got a fly sky fs- gr3e. Once it came in the mail I got it out and plugged my motor, servo, and power. She ran fine for about five minutes then, poof. Nothing! I felt the back of the receiver and it got incredibly hot. Now if I apply any power, nothing else, it starts to get hot.
Can you help me?
It’s been a while you’ve prolly figured that out
Oh That's how you do that!
what happened to the other guy who was the main ???
How do I do the corners again?
What about the motors?
Show an epsod of tuneing kk board please
So, what's the advantage of this vs just doing oil-based polyurethane and painting it?
***** Better adhesion to the foam than the standard paper.
Balu
But I'm wondering in pure water proof-properties.
The tatoos on your right arm just made my day :)
What is the gun at the end?
I think it might be the spud gun except without the potatoes
Vishvak Seenichamy Yeah, it looks like they've replaced the potatoes with arrows. :-o
Balu
indeed they have.
"I had some." 🤣
Please do an episode on building with deporon Peter!
***** Here in Australia you can get foam board but it is as expensive as Depron and Depron is a superior product for modelling. So yes, please do a Depron build guide.
Also Depron versions of the plans would be good. I have built the FT Spitfire and the FT Baby Blender but they weren't easy because I had to modify the plans as I went.
Great idea +jakeEboy Building with depron videa would be awesome, in UK is cheaper than foam-board and "better" because the foamboard i can find is kinda cardboard backed rather than paper backed and destroys razor blades when cutting it :-(
One thing to note when building FT planes using Depron - I have found that the CG moves back a little bit so you might want to move some electronics like servos forward an inch or so.
I'm getting my depron for around $2 per board (6 mm thick, 1 x 0.6m if I remember correctly). What are your experiences?
Borko Jandras Wow! That's really cheap. Where is that? I buy it by the case (20 sheets) and it works out to about $11 per sheet. That's the cheapest I can find in Australia.
A much easier way... is using pour on epoxy, that is used for glossing tables. Brush on thin layer. Get the slow dry kind. Its called... pour on.. and it is literally.... the absolute best thing ever. I built a foamy in 2006... that is still in same condition now as it was then. Put it on AFTER paint. You can paint it after coating it if you want it matte... but you would need to scuff it with sandpaper.
Josh would it be posable to have you make a quad copter for my band because our band director wants to see it from the air and we have no way to see it outer ways. I think it would mean the world to him because we are a very well know band and we never have seen our filed show from the sky. If you could make this you will make a lot of people very happy.
you guys should build a rocket from foam or cut one from EPP. but make a prop on the top and the 4 canards function XD
What about putting neverwet on it?
Look at reviews of it, it's great as long as nothing rubs against it because it comes off easy
Never wet is a pain and basically ruins the surface of whatever it's on..especially sneakers.
it creates sort of a chalky film on the surface too, so colors get obscured. very effective at keeping something dry, but thats all
When are we getting the video of that water plane?
Not in 9 years
Still missing the old intro....great episode though guys!
can I use polyurethane instead of polycrylic?
foam melt whit polyurethan, but water base acryl paint can use. cheap and ewery shop have cheap acryl paint. most popular spray paint not can use melt foam.
Build of model? Name of model?
Super duper way kool men
anybody knows an alternative to minwax Polycrylic,I can't find it here europe at decent price
Addin Thatt white glue diluted with water
FINALLY I can read Josh's tatoo.
I do not see enough advantage in removing the paper just to put on a little better paper. My opinion is to leave the existing paper, use the oil based poly procedure on the entire airplane, then paint. The baby powder can still be used with oil based to get a smoother painting surface.
Why not use corrugated plastic to make planes?They are a bit heavier than foam but you would not have to waterproof them.Also planes made out of them are almost indestructible.
Liking Peter... good addition.
Now I can finally start thinking seriously about an EDF flying boat...
Let's all fly Josh's yellow sub-airplane...yellow sub-airplane...yellow sub-airplane. Let's all fly Josh's yellow....errrrrip, hey who scratched their record........man I was hoping for a maiden kerplunck, I mean flight test. Maybe you could glue a couple of water noodles cut at an angle, and holes covered for floats.
Lot more work than the old minwax
Ok. Details on the compressed air potato gun, please.
A great idea might be to do the whole sheet of foam board before you even cut out and build the plane, no?
What does Josh Scott do now? He's not outside, when Peter and the other Josh is outside...
use cheap acryl paint mix whit water 60/40 about and spray cover to plane,m have dry is same than plastic cover. all water base paint work well. but best methor have monocote cover film heat arounf plane. and then paint what want decoratives and text add stickers.
hey guys i want to buy a flite test plane and build it or buy one but i want one i can customize with bomb drops and stuff like that if you could get back to me that would be AWESOME thx and if you do can it be under $200 thx
Jack Simonson?pageId=101866118233328199374 You do know the Flite Test Store? store.flitetest.com
You can get most planes featured in builds there and they have hints on
electronics you need besides the basic frames.You can modify all scratch
build planes for bomb drops and stuff. You just need to be a little
creative ;). They've made a few videos where they show how to do bomb
drops. @watch?v=EB91OtfcbPM
Peter is a lil bit awkward lol...
Under 301 club wooooooh 138 to be exact
Damn
I imagine you wont be flying anything with a "blue wonder" if you add all this extra weight. :P
If you make these foam planes too heavy they have a tendancy to tip stall on landings. :(
very awkward episode :D peter and josh scott don't really work together :D
Peter is still new to FliteTest. Like David, I think we will see Peter develop more character in videos. I agree with Dano though. This is just a FliteTest video, but we watch it like Tool Time from the old show Home Improvement.
Back ground noise while they are talking? WTF
2:00 lol
Aeroplane
Just use Depron...
First 10 !
third!!!!
Just use Depron.
or 3mm corflute :D