Why Dooku Predicted General Grievous Would LOSE to Obi-Wan - Star Wars Explained
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Count Dooku always had a soft spot for Obi-Wan. He basically viewed him as a pseudo grandson. Maybe that played a part in the gaps he left in General Grievous's training.
Obi-Wan Kenobi was trained by a Master who in Qui-Gon Jinn was always in connection with The Force and relied on it for guidance so, it was natural that his student would be like this too.
If Anakin had fought Grievous I’d imagine him using Vegeta’s lines when he fought Android 19 in DBZ:
“Let me ask you something, does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?”
“Oh my, I think you have an oil leak. Such a fragile unit.”
“What a shame. Fresh out of the factory and already broken.”😂
😂 😂
In the Revenge of the Sith book, Obi-Wan was effortlessly deflecting 17 attacks a second.
The movies can't replicate that speed, but you are right jedi can move faster than even a cyborg
Obi Wan is THE master of form 3. His defence is unbreakable
@@ryandenina7735 You are correct to a degree, they showed Jedi Speed in the Phantom Menace when Kenobi and Gin ran down the hallway. Which showed how any battle vs the Separatists was garbage. Why stand and deflect laser fire when you can just run super fast kill them all and use the force to crush any others you can get to.
20 strikes a second was when Obi-Wan is starting to get taxed
It happens in real life too. Bruce Lees fist strikes are so fast that the director told him to slow down so it would be better captured on camera
Obi wan is such a underrated duelist. He is also a giga chad.
no ?
he's properly rated as one of the greatest defensive duelists of all time
that day on Mustafar
i fully believe he truly was willed to win by the Force no one would have beaten him on that day
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 if he is not underated, then why do I see people all the time trying to make him seem not very good. I agree with you I think Obi Wan is a incredible duelist, and a great character, my favorite in fact. But many other people can't see that.
@@WolfGuardian495 That would be because people often like agressive forms over reactive forms like soresu. By the time rots happens Obi Wan was considered the embodiment of soresu. He had perfected it way more than anyone before him. He's not underrated, he's just not flashy enough for people to notice, if that makes sense
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 Even Yoda says that kenobi was not a soresu master: he was the soresu master. Anakin and Kenobi dueled often, so both both boosted their abilities as duelists, mainly kenobi who was never expected to become what he become: one of the best duelists of the jedi order by far. And I'm not even touching the matter of his connection to the force, he had no fear because (probably learned with Qui-Gon) no matter what he got in front of him he saw it as the will of the force and he would "just" deliver himself completely to the light side which was a major feature and advantage regarding most of the Jedi at the time.
The same reason Kit Fisto bested Grevious. Kit Fisto being THE master of Form 1 made him an incredibly unpredictable duelist, very well rounded offensively and defensively. Take into account he did not fear Grevious as his former padawan had, he was able to keep Grevious heavily on the defense, something he had difficulty with. Fisto was completely dominating the engagement until the 3 Magnaguards came into play. You could tell how centered Fisto was the whole fight, completely in control.
Grievous is indeed an underrated warrior
The old mandalorians had a philosophy about dealing with jedi. It basically delt with extremes, their idea was that the best way to guarantee that you would kill a jedi would be to glass the planet they were on, but even then it wasn't guaranteed to work. Meaning some jedi were tenacious or powerful enough to withstand the planet they were on being glassed. I'm guessing that Obi-wan would of been one of these jedi. In fact, on this wise I think he is more powerful than Anakin in this regard. I'm not quite sure what Anakin/Darth Vader would of done at the height of their mortal power to withstand such a thing, but Obi-wan was an expert of being still and listening to the force. His tenacity with the force's help would allow him to survive anything the force wanted him to.
Side note, this is why I dislike a lot of the new "cannon" about Obi-Wan. They turned a man who was stalwart and immovable into a blubbering idiot in the end... Dude got the Luke treatment hard...
It seems like a bit of a contradiction. At the time of Dooku.and Obi Wans duel during Revenge of the Sith, Dooku did not know Obi Wan changed his lightsaber style and he was tricked by Obi Wan and Anakin.
Dooku straight up realised that obi wan was using form 4 from the start. But it's then when obi wan suddenly switched back to form 3 that tricked Dooku.
@@aaronconway5404 I recall an episode on this channel explaining that Obi Wan was using form 3 but held the saber with 2 hands to mimic form 4 to trick Dooku. Obi Wan knew Dooku would expect him to use form 4 like Qui Gon and Dooku did not know that Obi Wan changed his form and master form 3 since their last duel.
It's funny that in the film Kenobi finished him off with a blaster. "So un-civilized"
Grievous is only underrated in the Disney canon. OG’s remember him as an absolute fiend that lived and breathed on demon time.
Also a massive coward
@YourLocalSoxFan20 not really his fault he was literally programmed this way
@@DarthKrellon dude 1 v 6'd 2 masters 3 knights and a padawon and won. he wasn't so much a coward as he just picked and chose his battles. he deserved the title of general in his name because in the legends canon he employed battle tactics that seem random at first until it was too late. he consistently outmaneuver republic armies
@@DarthKrellononly after he got his lungs crushed, yeah
I mean, even before Disney he was nerfed in the CG clone wars show.
Kenobi was just too much of a brick wall for fear to penetrate. another fun video thank you!~
I think that this was actually an act of sabotage by Dooku. Sideous constantly attempted to kill Obi-wan, laying numerous traps and sending Grevious after him throughout the duration of the Clone Wars. Sideous had hoped that Obi-wan's death would drive Anakin further to the dark side. But Dooku saw Obi-wan as his grandson, and refused to kill him even in his final battle in front of Palpatine aboard the Invisible Hand. I think Dooku (subconsciously or consciously) trained Grevious this way on purpose in direct defiance of Sideous's wishes.
Glad to see this channel growing. Easily the best Star Wars channel on TH-cam. Keep up the good work.
I have an interesting thought about this video and a previous one that you had done about a year ago titled "Why Obi Wan terrified Count Dooku during their final fight" or close to that. So this video implies that Dooku knew of Obi Wans mastery of Soresu and hence one of the biggest factors Dooku knew he would beat Grevious. Also in your other video you'd mentioned that the reason Dooku was terrified of Obi Wan was because of his shocking mastery of Soresu and for other reasons too but the key thing I'm pointing out is when did Dooku know of Obi Wans mastery of Soresu or am I missing something?
Odd that Kenobi wasn't held in much regard from Grevious even though Kenobi proved to be Grevious's ARCH rival, for the most part, the Cyborg noting how his Master repeatedly defeating Kenobi or fighting him to a draw is 1 thing. But there's big differences between Grevious an Dooku an think that was part of what a where Dooku was getting at. Dooku an Grevious seemed to be the Clone War Darkside counterparts to Kenobi an Anakin. Especially since Anakin an Dooku apparently also were arch enemies too
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@thomashall6288 maybe it was those heightened anger receptors had him not thinking clearly his latest an last years but he was held up as a expert strategist an elite warrior... he'd made a name even BEFORE his... "accident".. an shoulda known better then to underestimate ANYONE. ESPECIALLY a close enemy making a mistake NO ONE else was
Dooku took his hand ofc he's gonna hate him lol. Do love Lee's aggorance - Yooo sky guy, your grandmaster was my actual master 😂😂
Tartakovsky's General Grievous was an absolute menace. I wish that intensity was kept for Feloni's clone wars instead of just being a General Nuisance
Virtually any Jedi should simply be able to crush grievous into a metal cube from afar.
Very interesting!
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his greatest skill in defeating Jedi was "Plot Armor" he was part cybernetic. Any jedi older than 5 years of age would just use the force to crush him. But the plot prevents that - so we have a machine welding 4 light sabers defeating all comes until he meets a big character.
This concept has always been the weakness to the Star Wars Saga.
Any Jedi without a deep connection to the force would be intimidated and quickly overwhelmed by Grievous.
exactly that was the main goal for Grievous fight with fear
but when he was fighting enemies who were not afraid of him that usually did not go well for him
like Obi Wan i mean ffs as a Padawan Obi Wan defeated Darth Maul on Naboo
in Attack of the Clones he literally deflected Dooku's force lightning with his lightsaber something very few jedi could have
@@kurtpunchesthings2411Yep Obi Wan learned from a great Master. Qui-Gon taught him to always keep his emotions under control, thereby maintaining a strong connection to the living force.
Obiwan was an impenetrable shield. Grevious was an onslaught. The difference was one was one with the force. And the other was powered by fear. Grevous was capable BUT his greatest power was pseudo. Without that fear and uncertainty he would flop time and again.
He broke the first rule of fighting a Jedi, he tried to beat him in melee combat and second he doesn’t use the Force so he is screwed again
Your next video should be about why Anakin wasn’t as suited to defeat Grevious as Palpatine suggested. As well as how he was manipulating him in that moment.
I go back and forth with who I love more, Yoda or Obi, dudes are incredible pure light users 🙏
Question. What was the thoughts from Anakin on learning that Obi-Wan had beaten Grievous. Did this play with his mind at all, in their dual on Mustafar?
When your enemy is impetuous, anger him.
Imagine if Dooku trained him properly he would truly be a terror
Thats all nice and interesting ...
But how do you explain that he actualy won in the end?
I mean ... lets be honest, if Obi-Wan didnt have that blaster in reach, he would be dead as younglings. 😕
No?
Magnaguard staffs slightly zap you which would cause Obi-Wan to fall and land into the water without problem, we saw him fall even higher during Order 66 so it's shown he's able to survive from that height. Without the blaster aswell, i'm sure Obi-Wan would've done the same jump he did during the Darth Maul fight to get behind Grievous and find someway to damage his heart as it was still open during the fight.
Everything is fair in a fight to the death, saying “if it wasn’t for this” is dumb. There was a blaster there, there may be a reality in which there wasn’t and Obi Wan died but we’ll never know because that isn’t what happened dude. The point is moot. Also, Kenobi beats Grevious in every other duel they have in TCW as well so even if he had won 1 of out like 6-7 duels I still see Kenobi as the more impressive fighter.
The fact he tried to fight windu anyway and got crippled 😂
It seems too many people underestimated obi wan! !So uncivilized
One thing I've notice you done alot along with other youtubers when talking about Grievous fighting Obi one last time is omit the facts that...Grievous very much could've and my view WOULD HAVE killed Obi but cannot forget by the time of Revenge of the Sith he was greatly injured as Mace Windu crushed his cybernetic chests (ever wonder why Grievous coughed so much? Now you know) so when he fought Obi at Utapau he was FAR from ready to go. Watch the 2003 animated series. Grievous' whole voice and demeanor changes after Windu injures him. He was waaay more agile and slick with his attacks almost enjoying it. By the movie he's just a hulking mass that uses all power strikes and no finesse. I truly think (and shows how awesome Lucas is) his injuries from the series caused him to degress in skill and prefer to just outright batter his opponents which Dooku taught him NOT to do in the animated series. After Windu he never did find that balance in aggression and defense whereas before you'd be lucky to come close to hit him.
I'm sure he thought he very well could win and I think so too but fighting injured is sadly a common trope that even modern day MMA fighters need to stop doing. Grievous fighting Obi is similar to Gaethje vs Holloway in UFC. Gaethje by all accounts should have won and my view would've won but literally got his nose completely destroyed in round 1 which ofcourse cost him his epic cardio to keep up with the weaker but more volume throwing Holloway.
Grievous like Gaethje fighting injured led to their defeat. Difference between the 2 is that Gaethje is never overconfident. Grievous knows he could've beaten Obi I mean he has beaten multiple masters on his own at once while completely surrounded but to engage among the best defensive jedis while injured was a sign (a sith sign no less) of his overconfidence.
THIS is also why I love Legends over Canon. Canon Grievous is a petty weenie loser. Legends is a true demi god among his people who was wronged by the republic and jedi and sith alike but not knowing the sith were responsible for his disposition as a droid. Canon he's beaten easily by freaking gungans! Legends the dude's first appearance sabered and crushed itleast 3 jedi masters and knights by himself and them attacking him at all sides and all have their own unique fighting styles and force abilities.
No question...Legends Grievous is a beast that literally lost cuz he was injured and chose to fight as much rather than put his ego aside and either have Obi captured or just let the hundreds-thousands of droids surrounding him atomize him. He would've done the Sith a massive favor doing that too. Mainly due to tampering with his brain but love how slowly Grievous eventually relishes fighting along side the Sith. If I were Palpatine I'd kept him alive into the empire and would've done his people right making him an extremely loyal enforcer while he and Vader focus on the aspects of the force.
Why would the jedi lower themselves to fight darth gadget. He had no force abillities so just send some troopers against him with some magnetic grenade launchers and just fry him. Or the jedi used a blaster and just blast his shiny metal ass.
What animation of Obi Wan was used at 4:53
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@@Adamdya thank you. I've never even heard of that.
Would he be able to beat plo koon?
Never
Yes and it's not even close. Even a nerfed Grievous stalemated with Mace Windu in LoE novel. Plo is relative to Agen Kolar at best.
General Grievous was dangerous combatan in the clone wars. Which is why most Jedi feared him for his unpredictable lightsaber skills. And the only Jedi Grievous couldn't kill was Obi Wan Kenobi.
guess you're forgetting windu, don't know why... plus he never faced anakin either nor the small green goblin
I completely agree. Dooku didn't train Grievous fully.Grievous didn't stand a chance against Obi-Wan. Master of Lightsaber Combat was Obi-Wan. Jedi Counci; was completely right. May the Force be with you too. See you in the next holocron
To give an idea of the general's strength Palpatine didn't want Anakin anywhere near Grievous.
Imagine grievous & skywalker just turned sith. Going at it that would've been great. Lowkey Lucas should done Ana with lighting. Be fair Rots is like week span everything going on. Before 66 🤷♂️
Is there a canon reason for why Jedis didn’t just annihilate grievous using the force?
no, just plot armor to continue to use grievous as he was good at selling "episodes" and "merchandise". After Dooku's death the separatists had no one battle able, so we got more grievous and plot armor.
Interesting take with Obi Wan not even having his lightsaber by the end of the fight....
But, what if the council had sent Windu to take out Grievous instead of Kenobi? Would Obi-Wan have gone to arrest Palpatine? I do not think so.
The pride before the fall.
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Grievous was almost destroyed by Master Windu with one force crush. Amateur!
I always hated the fact that Obi-Wan took Grievous out with a blaster, it's lazy as hell storytelling. No, what should've happened is that Grievous would attempt to jump over Obi-Wan and end up limbless and headless in one cheap-ass illegal combo of two strikes blended together. It should've been the setup to show how Obi-Wan is likely to always cheat in his duels and foreshadowing of what would eventually happen to Anakin on Mustafar.
No offense, but in terms of lightsaber skill in Obi Wan's duel of Grievous on Utapau, Grievous had Obi Wan disarmed and the finale of the fight ended in Obi Wan pulling a blaster to him with the Force. The fact that Obi Wan had to resort to using a blaster to defeat an enemy that pretty much had him defeated, is a low blow for the Master of Defense. Therefore, I can only say that Dooku's prediction was not as spot on if he were to find out how Grievous lost to Obi Wan. All in all, I think if Obi Wan hadn't went for the gun and did his little trick he used on Darth Maul, but to the extent that Grievous was actually given a swift death, I would be more understanding of Dooku's prediction.
Obi-wan disarmed Grievous without too much effort, cutting 2 out of his 4 hands and forcing him to flee. At that moment the duel was over and what followed was not a duel but a chase.
@@lordkfc1297 exactly!
Day 486 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Obi Wan was the best Jedi of his age.
In canon dooku is an irredeemable monster way more evil than sidious
All the lightsaber talk is a little ironic because Obi-Wan kills Grievous with a blaster shot. Regardless, love the video!
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Kenobi was so masterful in lightsaber combat that he defeated Grievous with a blaster
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Because Obi whooped him on several occasions through the “Clone Wars”. All he had to do was corner the cyborg sociopath so he could not run.
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