The Fan Showdown Just Went PRO | Asetek Community Design Challenge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2022
- Good news everyone, it looks like the fan showdown may end up being more than a fun little competition I run on the channel. Asetek took notice and decided it would be a great way to let the community design their next AIO pump cap.
Welcome to the Asetek community design contest hosted by me Major Hardware.
In this contest your goal is to design a one of a kind pump cap and submit that design to Asetek. If you are the lucky one to win as selected by the community you will win over $2000.00 worth of tech and tools to enhance your future designs.
Objective
We are focused on generating awareness and empowering the community. This contest will allow us to do just that and also engage, and collaborate with the creative Asetek community to create a truly unique and compelling pump cap for a highly performance-driven Asetek liquid cooler.
Contest Theme
Elegance. Innovation. Passion. Precision. NO RGB! NO LCD!
Rules
· Entries should be of an all-in-one cooler “pump cap”.
· Entries will be accepted in 3D file format, hand sketches or drawings.
· Entries should not feature or depict any RGB. Use the Contest Themes for reference.
· Entries should be tasteful, respectful, and bereft of any profanity, racism, sexism, homophobia, and/or any imagery that depicts or suggests any of the above.
· All entries are to be submitted after the contest begins.
· Send all entries to Capchallenge@asetek.com
1st Place Prize
· AMD Ryzen 5800X3D CPU
· AMD Radeon 6000 Series GPU
· 1-yr subscription to Autodesk FUSION 360
· Wacom Cintiq 16 Graphics Drawing Tablet
· New Asetek AIO CPU cooler featuring your pump cap
Prizes for those who make it to the community poll
· New Asetek AIO CPU cooler featuring the winning pump cap
· Thank you gift bag from Asetek
Timeline
· Begins May 6th
· 1-2month submission window
· 1wk-to-10 day internal review
· Community poll duration - 1-2wks
· Winner announced within 3days of poll concluding
Contact
Please send all submissions and/or links to submission to Capchallenge@asetek.com
"Good luck, everyone!”
Models of reference pump cap along with 2D drawings can be found here,
www.thingiverse.com/thing:537...
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Can't wait for asetek to sue the channel, the winner, and just about everyone on earth for pre-emptively copying their patented design.
yeah, is a cool idea in general, but the particular company, and it's just a aesthetic cap.. Hopefully it turns out okay for the participants.
YOU ARE GETTING SUED
If it is a patented design then they would have every right to sue infringement. What about that upsets you exactly? Or is it just the thing to say to fit in?
@@Berserkism Yeah they can sue everyone that makes a rectangle with rounded corners. Because how dare you round those corners
@@Berserkism You know, for someone who calls people "white knights" as an insult for pointing out why Asetek is a company operating in bad faith to the community, you sure do seem to spend an awful lot of time going through every comment thread defending them. From their bad parents, to bad faith, and lack of innovation in the marketspace. If I didn't know better, I would say you worked for Asetek. Shill.
I see contest like this a lot as an artist. Big movie companies ask artist to create the next big movie monster and pay the winner some change for the million dollar ideas and designs. They even keep creative rights even if you don't win. I love this channel but the contest is a trap.
Million dollar ideas don't pay the person with the idea a million dollars.
Winning gives You a lot more than just the prize. It gives You something to brag about to Your potential employer/clients.
If you are a professional don't take part. A trap? I swear people on the Internet keep getting more and more ridiculous.
Yeah. I would not invest multiple hours of time into a design to maybe get something in return. If you don't win then your time was wasted and they may still use it in the future.
Yeah, as a mechanical engineer, there is NO way i submit anything for this challenge.
Clumsy move from Major Hardware in my opinion.
But disgusting move from Asetek.
To Asetek : Just ask your designers / engineers to do your design/engineering job ffs. They were hired for a reason.
If you don't want to, hire several free lancers.
But asking for a R&D job to be done for free? No way.
Not surprising coming from a patent troll company tho.
Knowing the track record of such competitions, I'd advise against participating. As soon as you send in a design, you're giving ownership of it to the company.
They get to keep ALL the designs even if only one is actually used.
this^ dont just design shit for free for some company....
@@Decenium unless you actually design a pile of shit to troll them.
Lmao exactly. I was hoping he’d say “and the winner gets a certain amount of the profits on there sold fan” but nope lol
Asetek has a bad enough reputation that they might even "forget" to pay the prizes
@@Decenium Exactly, i thought the winner will get a deal/contract with the company and make money out of the design...instead of some gifts/prices that you'll most likely resell on ebay. Imagine putting in all the effort into designing a fan for a company without being involved in the profits or getting your design payed for, lmao.
So, let me get this straight. The patent troll company who sued everyone for "putting a pump on a block", now wants to community source ideas???
How about, no!
& take someone else's idea & use it without paying for the rights to use the Design,
Just shows how Scummy Asetek really are
I'm not defending Asetek for their dumb patent but that's not what patent troll means at all.
yep.
submit a 'Squidward nose'
@@0M0rty They Troll for anything that has 'pump in CPU block' even if it is a totally different Pump design
@@0M0rty When you weaponize a patent, that is painted with broad vague brush strokes, and only manage to get one countries patent office to agree with your definition...its trolling. Just like when Bose had a patent issued for anything that would have technically been termed as a speaker port. Thankfully it was challenged, and the patent was dropped, before they ruined the speaker industry. Asetek goes after any design that has a pump and block integration. Even if the impeller and flow design are completely different. And there are MANY designs overseas that have been legally defined as not infringing on their international patents, that their US patent has banned. It has ruined and monopolized the CPU block industry in their favor. If that isnt trolling, i dont know what is.
Asetek is the *last* company on earth you should be collaborating with on such a project. They are essentially patent trolls that held AIO's back for quite a time now.
you might want to link citation or such for that kind of claim.
@@John-gm8ty They hold the patent for the pump/block combo in the context of an all-in-one liquid cooler, which to me should violate the "too obvious" clause for patents, but doesn't.
Anyone who doesn't want to pay Asetek money to build an AIO liquid cooler has to put the pump somewhere else.
@@TMHedgehog and only in the US. Other countries rightly told them that this is a non patentable idea. There has been a lot of innovation in all-in-one liquid coolers outside of the United States. We here within the United States get stuck with zero Innovation, and designs that suck. Asetek doesn't even sell directly in the United States under their own brand name. They force others to pay a license fee to distribute and sell asetek devices.
Was *really* hoping someone would mention this and it seems you're not the only one. What a terrible company to "partner" with. Ugh.
They have a patent for a product they actively do R&D on and sell, and by the time they got that patent the water cooling industry had existed for at least a decade without any pump/block combo units. How are they a patent troll?
This is crazy! Asetek is ruthless with the patent protection but wants to drum up ideas from the same community they hurt. I think its a big deal they came to you and recognize your community and you should be proud of yourself and what you've created!
well this is certainly cheaper than actually paying for someone to design it
patent protections. getting free CPU block tops with no RGB... LOL what a joke
well, the rest of the copmanies could also sell DIY kits or different designs, yet they dont do it, so no, the patents arent doing much harm at all, sure its a dick move and a stupid patent but the rest of the companies arent even trying either. AIO are shit, why dont they just sell you a DIY kit one like people used to make them?!
Nothing wrong with protecting your patent. Hurt? Talk about hyperbolic rubbish. Imagine forcing multimillion dollar companies into designing their own products instead of allowing them to rip you off...and then white knight for them. I am not Corsair or any other company. They are not the community and the community doesn't owe them a damn thing.
In what way do they have patent protections?
I find this ironic coming from Asetek after the whole lawsuit for patent infringement thing 🤔…. Neat idea but still feels weird 🤣
But with the prizes and everything I find it a bit shady as well. They're going to continue to sell this no matter what when the creator, by competing in this competition, literally hands the rights over to thems. So they walk away with one prize while astek continuously gets to make profit off of it.... For free
They'll probably try and patent the winner's design, hopefully that person patents it first
@@dainbramage9508 The quote in the video said that the new product will be *inspired* by the winning design. So they have thought about it in advance.
@@Garbox80 Oh yea, of course they'd do that
What's Ironic? I don't you know what that word means.
Someone with 3D modeling skills better do a giant middle finger asetek branded cap. It would fit perfectly.
That or a turd on top would be acceptable as well.
Yes please
Asetek is likely going to put a patent on it too, just like they patented the pomp location in a AIO cooling system🤪
this is exactly why i went with ek
@@High.on.Life_DnB That would probably sell quite well
Just to add to the overwhelming majority of comments: I understand why it sounds great to have the opportunity to "work" with a large company like Asetek, but at the end of the day it's just outsourcing your R&D (kinda how beta access to games has went over the past decade). I'm not gonna say don't participate, but as a freelance artist I have to warn anybody not to go into a business relationship where you do work that might not even get compensated.
Not to mention the old adage "every poll's a goal." If the design with the most votes doesn't end up being the one they go with, don't say I didn't say nothing.
Do we really need to have another pauper with hat in hand whining in here about getting paid.
imma do it for the chance at free stuff
@@Dtr146 it's not free. You have to create a design. You could be doing something else with your time.
Nothing wrong with choosing to enter, mind you, but recognize what you are actually doing for the (slim) chance to win something.
I was going to say the prize better be dividents otherwise this is a huge scam.
This contest is gross and exploitative especially considering how asetek has held a near monopoly on AIO cooler pump design in the US by enforcing a bullshit patent.
Uh... Bad idea, definitely without monetisation. They are basically getting free R&D, if they want it, pay a small sum for every submission that performs at a certain level, and % profits for the winning design.
3D Printer companies do it all the time to the ignorant masses by "taking suggestions". Minus sharing profits and giving recognition.
@@lastofthebest5102 there’s a fundamental difference between taking suggestions so you can implement solutions to problems the community has faced and downright outsourcing design of a purely aesthetic component.
Its just a cap, no performance to be gained. Its just a way to create marketing for the product and involve the community. Now, if they were using our designs for actual performance as in a fan design yes profits from sales would be a thing but they are giving us prizes for our submissions, that should be good enough. Of course this is for those willing to participate and if anyone feels they are being taken advantage of then of course do not get involved👍.
Employees don't get a percentage of profits, only a fixed, hourly wage. Asetek is only pre-spending your wage on computer hardware, then firing you.
Great idea and I love when people have a chance to design real products. I just have two minor comments: 1 - This is the "FAN" Showdown, not the "Plastic Cap" Showdown. and 2. Asetek don't have a very good track record / reputation when it come to patent trolling.
That isn't what a patent troll is. You're confused.
Definitely blame asetek for their choice of products and not hold it against the Channel. He is just looking at this as a reward for people who have been putting in a lot of time here.
Well good news its only for 2 months and with a 3in circle you don't have alot of freedom anyways. Also if the us gives you a patent then is it wrong for you to defend it.
NOPE, not doing anything for ASETEK!
As a 3D artist I have seen a lot of these competitions. Do not enter. Asetek is outsourcing their R&D to get a design for basically free. They are also likely to keep the rights to all the entries, so even if you don't get the prize, they can still use your design later without paying you for it.
I got burned with a few blender models + some animations for a character that ended up losing a contest, but later showed up in a product anyways. I'm not sharing what company it was, to avoid the witch hunting that I know can happen.
No, witch hunting is necessary in your case. Your assets showed up in the end product, and you did not got paid.
or even better, they sue you for using your own work
If the prize was a job offer, then sure. But just this for potentially 1-2 months of work for something that they might incorporate into a product...
Feels like the 'you'll be paid in exposure' trap.
Cool idea, I understand the excitement, but sounds like a good deal only for Asetek.
I agree, so let's put a 1h 'cap' on the design time lol
It's obviously just marketing/advertising
Yea, that's they being lazy/cheaping on designers...
I mean you can put however much work you want into it. You know what the prizes are, there's no surprise there, so just work as much as you think the prizes are worth to you. Let it be an hour, a day, a week or even a month's worth of work, thats entirely up to you
How do you spend 1-2 months on a 3in cap. There is so little to do and work with this is just for publicity, guarantee they already have multiple cap designs.
Asetek's next patent... Something mounted to a pump mounted to a block.
If it's legal, power to them.
@@Berserkism You can be legal, and still be morally bankrupt. Seriously man, I hope Asetek is paying you extra for commenting on all of these threads defending their bad patent. I can't help but notice you stopped posting at the end of the work day...weird.
@@bigbuckoramma what's "morally bankrupt" about not allowing other, very wealthy companies to rip off your legal patents? I should ask who you work for? Why are you championing for other companies to make millions from anothers legal property?
@@Berserkism Its real simple. Other companies made AIO coolers before Asetek. Other companies had integrated designs before Asetek. Asetek filed for the patent, and waited nearly a decade to actually register it for approval in 2012. The ONLY patent office that accepted it, was the US. Asetek immediately began suing competition to block them from the US market. Namely Cooler Master, and CoolIT Systems, who both already had products on the market PRIOR to Aseteks Patent acceptance in the US, and PRIOR to all of the patents being rejected around the world. If you visit Aseteks website, and their list of Patents, you will note that ONLY US Patents are listed, as every other patent office rejected their patent as "obvious."
You will also note that CoolIT Systems has Patents that go back to the early 2000's as well, and many that predate Asetek. Some of them for things like the Jet Plate design which is ubiquitous in the custom cooling block industry. Have you ever seen or heard of a Lawsuit from CoolIT sueing EK, or Corsair for the Jet Plate design? Or any other water cooling company for Low Pressure High Flow Liquid Heat Exchanger block designs? CoolIT owns the patent on that too, even at the industrial level.
Additionally, after Asetek strongarmed Corsair in to dropping CoolIT as their OEM supplier, they started running around threatening legal action to other cooling companies, forcing them to pay a royalty, or use their hardware.
Then, in 2021, Asetek took a hard hit financially. WHen you only have one market you can manipulate with a bad patent, you also only have one factory, and one supply chain to it, all overseas in China. When the backlash from 2020 and COVID hit their factory, they posted massive losses in 2021. Above that, many other players were arriving in the US market around that same time with superior performing designs. Namely Arctic Cooling in perfect timing with the Ryzen 3000 launch. Which uses a completely unique design from Asetek, but Asetek is none the less trying to actively pursue them legally to prevent sale of their products in the US. And fropm most of what has been made public, the claim is extremely generalized, basically stating that because its a CLC, it infringes on their US patents.
The underlying crux here, that also leads to this being morally bankrupt, is that the patent expires in 2025. And it would seem that Asetek intend to bully their way to as much revenue from abusing that patent as possible while they still can. A prime example of this is that Asetek failed to push into the OEM market for HPC enterprise liquid cooling solutions. So they exited that market claiming they were burning through cash and didnt "materialize meaningful returns"...but still look poised to bully competitors in that market space with their patents. As a result of this, some liquid cooling manufacturers, especially within the view of the emerging 2022 financial crisis, are looking to stop producing AIO's all together. Not just because of rising materials costs, but to avoid any Licensing to Asetek on a patent that only has a 3 year shelf life. It simply isnt worth the hassle. So they will just wait it out. And in the end, no one wins, especially not the consumer.
This is all readily available information. So try being informed, instead of being a blind sheep running to their defense.
@Berserkism
Problem is that it isn't legal, every country aside from the US did not grant their patent on the grounds of it being too obvious. Only the US was idiotic enough to grant it, but they've previously granted "that thing everyone does, but done with a computer" type patents, so there's no surprises there.
Hey man, I really appreciate the work you put into this channel and the spirit of this idea is good, but I hope you can at least consider the feedback you're getting here even though negative feedback about something you were excited about sucks. I really like the idea of people making cool fans and then getting their designs licensed and produced, but as others have said this kind of competition format where the host company keeps all the designs and pays out not much at all just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Think we can write this one off and try something else another time perhaps?
ITS A 3IN CAP FOR CHRISTS SAKE, THEY ALREADY HAVE A DESIGN THEY JUST ARE MARKETING THIS AIO
Even though the first prize is pretty hefty for any individual it still MUCH cheaper for Asetek to do this than to hire a professional designer to do the design, so in comparison this is basically them getting free labour of the youtube audience. And in addition as someone else in the comment section said, it's very likely that they get all the rights to everything submitted (although this is hard to confirm since they just have an email address which doesn't allow the submitter to read the terms before submitting) which could possibly prevent anyone participating from using the submitted design in future works. (Take what I wrote with a grain of salt since I don't really know any of the details but for anyone thinking of participating make sure you know all terms before submitting anything.)
Your point is what?
Bro the already designed a cap, it would take a minute to slice on a astek logo, they just want to hype the product. The obviously don't care about the aio, it doesn't even have rgb.
I love this channel however, something smells about this competition.
It feels like the class bully asking you nicely to do their homework for the year in exchange for a chocolate bar. Sure they might be making a genuine request but the remuneration they are offering doesn't reflect the value (savings on R&D and marketing costs) they are receiving, which might be fine from a team player but for years Asetek have not been the communities friend and now they are asking for favors. That doesn't seem nice. I advise caution.
On a more personal note:
The appeal of the fan showdown was the quantifiable nature of the competition. You could add your aesthetics and design all you wanted but the fan had to perform as a fan first and foremost. I don't really see any value is just going to some website and looking at some designs for an AIO cap.
I hope it goes well for all involved but it's not something that I have any interest in.
What part of this competition sounded like a job offer or a pay day to you?
@@Berserkism I don't think I understand the point you are trying to make. I suppose I would answer when a company offered reward for completing work on -there- their behalf.
I see it mostly as an opportunity to reward some of this channel's contributors. But I do have concerns and would avoid a long term relationship with that company.
Asetek will just steal the winning design
yeah I can totally see Asetek "forgetting" to pay the prizes, it's not something that would surprise me
Defending your legal patent is not theft.
@@Berserkism who is talking about patents here
This ain't it, man. Asetek has been giving the PC community a big middle finger for years.
Man, I would be so excited if it were for ANY of their competitors. The patent they have on AIOs has just held back innovation. I have a great design in mind but sadly will not be sharing.
that's cool and all, but it's just a vanity piece, the fans are "useful art" so to speak as in they actually do move air
Same was hoping it was a slim fan design showdown for sff
Yeah. I'd like it a lot more if it actually had an effect on the efficiency of the product and wasn't just cosmetic.
Yea this is just stupid
The design doesn't have to be only cosmetic...
It's possible to make the design usefull
I mean, at that point the company should be paying you.
@@poldelepel how? this is literally just a shell, all water loop components and pump are already there
@@marcogenovesi8570 Get creative. I have several idea's. .For instance, you could make it a bottle opener.
PS: this would only be a good design if you want beer all over your pc.
I’m sure that crowdsourcing the design for the price of a few prizes is way cheaper than paying a professional product design team haha. Nearly free design labor!
Edit: I’m sure this is good for their PR image too.
Asetek is literally shipping the design work for this product to the community, for free to boot. I enjoy the fan showdown, but people REALLY shouldn't participate in this, and shame on Asetek for pulling this. Reading the comments this is pretty obvious to most other people - a bit disappointing that you're supporting this, Major Hardware
How is it bad?
@@Berserkism They want you to work for free to maybe win something. Even if you don't win they will retain the rights to your design. You are essentially working for them but they only take. Winning is very unlikely for the individual. Asetek is known for patent abuse. They are the reason why some watercoolers have the pump at some random spot. They made it illegal for everyone else to have the pump in the CPU block. Even if the pump is a different design. Unless you pay them of course.
@@killersberg1 that's right. You are doing work for them, for free. And if you do happen to win, the "grand prize" is significantly less value than the product that you just produced for them. It's a win-lose situation where Asetek can only win if people participate
What Does That say About This Sellout Channel?
@@killersberg1 thats every competition ever, that's why you don't invest time and do it for fun. Whats the difference between this and lego competitions. Ita a cap and nothing complicated.
While I respect Asetek's desire to improve relations with the community and even get something novel like this going, I'm still pissed off with them for putting a stranglehold on the AIO market years back, forcing old AIO guards like CoolIT, Cooler Master, and Swiftech out, and for constantly producing mediocre pump/blocks that still get panned in the rare AIO review.
I respect their desire, but the manner in which they are attempting community outreach is utterly disrespectful to aspiring designers and professionals everywhere.
Reminds me of the time that Amanda Palmer asked dozens of musicians to play on stage with her, only to be compensated in beers and high-fives. This ain't no friggin lemonade stand!
I appreciate your enthusiasm for your community and that you genuinely wanted something nice for them. But it just doesn't seem like this is in the real spirit of the fan showdown. Not to mention the impression I'm getting from this company is rather disappointing.
As much as it really pains me to say it, I have this bad feeling that this will go down as the moment this channel "Jumped the Shark".
Especially if he is getting paid by Asetek for advertising with this content.
The fact an Asetek rep showed up, and their post was immediately stickied without comment, and is pushing literally fake news to try and narrative shift, I think it's fair to say this isn't going as planned.
And the worst part, the only person this does damage too...it Major Hardware.
@@bigbuckoramma I really wouldn't go that far. If this does turn out to be a mistake then, crikey, let's allow him an opportunity to just have a mess up. He's just one guy and I really genuinely believe that he cares about his community. If you got beef against the company then have at it, but Major Hardware has done absolutely nothing here other than try to give something back to his audience.
And yet you still Bolster The Shill who is pushing this idiocy? Channel is sellout garbage these days. How many "sponsors" are needed to 3d print a fan and spin it?
I initially thought this would be a "community R&D" for the pump blades inside the AIO - which as an idea would be awesome - similar to redesigning the fan blades on the A12X25 - redesigning the pump blades inside the AIO could actually improve cooling performance and then make it's way into an actual design. Just designing the cap seems fairly useless to me, and like a huge missed opportunity.
Also - I have to agree with the rest of the community, Asetek is the wrong brand to do this with, and the rewards don't match what's being offered. At least it is only printing an essentially throw-away component, but it feels like there should be a decent lump sum to buy the rights to the design, or a % of sales handed to the designer, or some type of real remuneration. Still cool that you're getting some more attention from the big boys - just needs to be the right kind of setup.
This! This community can potentially revolutionize AIOs, but no, we're asked to design an aesthetic piece.
I agree, but since he went through the effort let's just do this one for him and show our appreciation for the effort put in to trying to do something nice. Then just not pursue further relations with them.
@@Oblithian Do something nice? For Asetek? 🤣 No.
Do you work for Asetek too? 😂
@@Oblithian no.
people writing furious comments about astek getting " ussless cap " the design for free* , can you imagine if they asked for blade design...
Nah, designers and engineers should be paid for their work.
Then get a job doing so instead of whining on channel where people are being creative for the sake of it.
@@Berserkism I mean, you're getting paid to whine on the internet...sooo????
Looks like I'm not alone in thinking this is not a good idea. The whole concept of designing a million dollar idea for a company that only pays you with a few PC parts, not to mention the hundreds or thousands of designs (the "losers") they'll be taking without paying a dime. It's not as much an opportunity for the community as just a way to not pay designers. It's essentially working for no pay, except for literally one person, who will probably just pay taxes for their new PC parts.
Great Contest... though, I would have rather taken 1% of their profits of this product than the actual prices themselfs.
They wouldn't even give their own employees that, though. Employees are paid a fixed, hourly wage. All Asetek is doing is pre-spending your wages before they give them to you, after that they fire you for not working.
@@jameswalker199 Sorry, mister all knowing. But I dont think your analogy works here.
2 words; Royalties
whats the second word?
@@MrMeow-xl7pd "words", 2 is a number.
@@tjpprojects7192 nerd.
we could be friends.
@@tjpprojects7192 what if you just want to say one word? how does it work in that case?
@@MrMeow-xl7pd 1word
Why pay people to design fans when you can get them free? This company really know how to take advantage of people.
Who is being taken advantage of? If you put something out there that isn't protected under law anyone can use it. If I take one of these fan designs that is given freely and make millions producing and selling them I would owe anyone exactly jack shit. Stop moralizing, it's pathetic.
@@Berserkism Way to shill for the company. Sounds like you're trying to justify something already know is wrong.
The value of the prize is likely based on how much hourly pay it would take one of their employees to design the same part. The company will take advantage of every loophole they can to be copyright trolls and patent trolls, but from a financial perspective the winner is far from being taken advantage of.
PLEASE DON'T DO THIS
I'M SUPER SUPER HAPPY FOR MAJOR HARDWARE! It's amazing that you are reaching this new heights! I absolutely love this channel.
It's a classic "exposure" Industrial Design Challenge. If they won't give you credit and royalties, nope the heck out of it. It's an easy way to get a sh*t ton of designs for little to no cost. I happened during all my Industrial Design degree. Heck, it even happened to me, thrice.
Exposure doesn't pay the bills.
edit:typo
They don't give their employees the royalties, either, they just pay them a fixed, hourly wage. Nor do they get credit - when was the last time you saw a list of names on your phone, your car, your sofa, your lamp? When it does happen, its usually inside, hidden as an easter egg for the curious.
Blame them for anything else, but don't blame them for treating you like an employee.
@@jameswalker199 read again this 9 months old comment please. I was saying that they did that while I was getting my degree, as a student.
Let's do some math. The price of the Asetek AIO pump is around $125. Designing the cap could take you about 4-5 hours (depending on how complex you are making it), meaning that if you were to get into the poll, your work would be worth about $25 - $31 per hour. The average salary for a CAD Designer in the US is $27 per hour.
So there is a CHANCE that you will get accepted into the poll and win the average pay for a normal CAD Designer. Although it is more likely that you will not get accepted and will instead have just worked for 5 hours for no pay.
Not to mention that you probably also don't have a use for the prize, unless if you happen to have a computer laying around with no cooler, and that it is cheaper for Asetek to pay with their own products than to give you a proper paycheck (let's assume a 30% profit margin, making the pump worth $96 to them and your time worth $19 - $24. Way less than the average salary.)
Edit: As _President-Elect Prydzen_ mentioned in the replies, this would fall under product designer work, which in the US, is $48.49 per hour. So in other words, you are paid almost half of what they would pay an actual employee.
yeah, but that's from the perspective of the time (t) of one contributor...then multiply that by number of contributors (c)...They'll receive a bunch of contributions with c*t amount of time put into it.
ok but you are not doing cad designer work you are doing product designer work and i am going to say that is worth a lot more than 27 per hour and and worth more than 5 hours of work. Not to mention that maybe they are worth 130 on the market but the things are probably produced at 30 dollars.
@@prydzen Seems you are correct, the average pay for a product designer in the US is $48.49 per hour. I get those confused, it's essentially the same skillset.
Asetek really gonna get a design for the low low cost of one contest.
What's wrong with that? Oh some potential starving artist somewhere whining about getting paid....most of them are here just check the comments.
@@Berserkism You know exactly how much Industrial Design costs. And it is a hell of a lot more than the $Free.99 that this contest is looking to get out of it.
Not to mention, where is the fine print for the rules? Haven't been posted, very sus. Just like your posts.
Additionally, within those rules, wherever they are, it is very likely, based on literally every other contest like this, that once you submit a design, you lose all rights to it. You ever been to a Burger King, and opened their doors with those spatula handles? That was a "non-winning" design in a college engineering student design competition. The actual designer of that hasn't seen a dime, and never will. So there is likely nothing stopping Asetek for using any of these designs, in whole or in part, at a later date, without any recognition or compensation to the original creator. And when you're a company like Asetek, with the morals and disdain they have for the community, it makes it difficult to want to help.
I know you know all that, so why are you spreading this nonsense? Why do you care so much to protect Asetek? Why won't you be honest?
@@Berserkism uh there is no cash prize. They is textbook "you'll get paid in exposure" which i know all too well
@@bigbuckoramma well said. a tad tldr, but well said
This is really a crappy deal. like a grand-ish worth of computer parts for free design work.... plus all the people that don't win just gave the company years of inspiration. When I saw you pumping this I thought the prize would be something real, like a really lucrative job offer or small percent of the sales. It is really shitty that you're promoting this.
This is the first thing that came to my mind. I'm immediately reminded by those "design-a-logo" or fanart contests aimed at artists with a minimal prize pool. Basically they get their design work done for essentially free (compared to hiring/contracting a full- or part-time designer).
What percentage of the value of a product that Asetek engineered, designed, tested, redesigned, retested, manufactured, and distributed do you think the winner should get for helping them make one of the non-functional plastic parts on it look pretty?
Inspiration can be had just be looking at Google images. Stop acting like this community is giving the golden ticket or something.....man it's getting stupid up in here.
@@drewdane40 Specifically I would put an extremely low number like 0.1% and when I wrote up the comment I thought about just saying 25-50k as that is about what a production design company would charge for 10 or so examples with 1 taken to finished product. The winner might only submit a single design but the whole community will collectively submit most likely around a 1000 designs that are reasonably viable and that is what the company is actually paying for, plus all the marketing this type of thing generates.
@@Berserkism I think most of the negativity is because people just REALLY, REALLY HATE Asetek...rightly so, I would imagine. Maybe people would be a little more agreeable to help a more..."customer friendly" company? I hear that EVGA, for instance, is a company that is more understanding to their customers when they have a problem. They have been known to just ship out a brand new graphics card to customers who have bought a faulty one, without question or even caring about you sending back the faulty one first. They also seem to get right on top of any issue that may require a company recall, unlike Gigabyte for instance that just tries to hide their mistakes. Maybe a company like EVGA would be more agreeable to people to do a contest with perhaps because they just seem to care about their customers?? 🤔
Love the idea of getting community members more exposure, but this is terrible. Asetek, is probably the last company people want handling their work.
All in all, I am just happy to see you commercialising yourself. It is hard to do. No idea about the infringement thing but yeah listen to your community.
I really thought the contest was to design something actually useful - the channels that the water flows through for example - I was scratching my head wondering why the community was going to vote for a winner when surely the winner should be the design that keeps the cpu the coolest… but anyway, adding up the value of the prize, dividing it by what I anticipate to be my chance of winning and then factoring in the value of my time as a designer leads me to about 30s to dedicate to this contest. Maybe if the prize represented the true value of a designer…
Ooooooooof reading the comments I'm not sure this has gone the way you hoped 😬
lol you could say that
@@MajorHardware I doubt any of us are mad at you - I’m going to bung in a design, not for them but to support you! It’s not going to be a massive middle finger up to them either as it ought to be, it’ll be a genuine effort - but my time is being spent for you and your channel, if this helps, not them!
Just so you know, I love your design. this is not fair, you already come up with something really cool !
I can see both sides, this is an awesome recognition of this channel's talents and work. That Asetek knew where they can find a pool of talent and do some damage control with the community. They have shown some good faith by offering their cap design to be placed as an open source. While some might scoff at that, there is some R&D time put into everything. Time is money and nothing is truly free.
But a lot of people have pointed that participants should be leery. I'd prefer to see a full list of stipulations for entry. With what little has been put out there i would assume all designs are held by the creator (there is nothing from Asetek at this point stating any submissions become their property). Obviously the winning submission would though. I can also see them limiting the final designs to something that could be mass produced easily and cheaply. But it is their money that will be manufacturing the winning design.
For those wanting a % stake you have to be careful. Asetek can easily do a limited special edition run and limit any losses. What they're offering to the winner in actuality isn't too bad. The vague 6000 series gpu is a bit of a gamble but overall the value is there.
Tbh releasing all the designs as cc by nc sa or nd (e.g. by publishing on the internet archive) would be a great way to force them to license your design and not be asshats.
My first water cooler was an astek aio. The radiator rusted from the inside out. If you ever smell antifreeze check your computer hah.
Just waiting for an Asetek cap submission thats all wangs
also the one that is a giant middle finger is goign to be a fan favourite
i honestly have no idea why there arent more people watching the fan showdown, this is one of the only youtube pages i come back to on a regular basis
I did this with my Antec AIO, I swapped out the stock Antec pump cover for one that I modelled and printed with the AMD logo. Definitely cool, but nothing that would appeal to someone who isn’t into printing and the likes.
I bet Asetek be like this :
"it's gonna a boring mediocore RGB/Screen-less AIO from our brand which is not known and already generating money via patents/oem production. Our next AIO has no reason to be picked and know for the over-all pc part buyers . Instade using ready to make 50 different covers we have , Let's make it into a contest and when we send this to others youtubers they gonna mention the pump cover made with a contenst and we might get more attraction".
Asetek as a firm known for their pump on top of waterblock patent. Which is bizarre to me how the patent instution gave it to them(or anybody which would apply for it first ) . A lot of people furious , talking they are basicaly getting free-lance work for free etc but C'mon guys... It's not a high skill needed engineering part , it's a cap ... You don't need to run injection mold CFD simulations and prove your design is better , I bet they gonna spend more time optimize injection stuff than you modelling it ...
So yeah ,I think no need to make it huge deal . If it was a fan contest yeah that's huge deal because it effects the performance and you should not make it for simply a pc ... But it's a cap and probly they have models for it but making it to a contest making it interesting and worth to mention it on box or on youtube reviews , so worth it...
God I love Major Hardware. You have done so much for pc enthusiasts, it is a godsend this is running for all the entertainment provided.
IDK man...congrats on the endorsement, but I'm going to back away from the Asetek idea. I can't get behind the stranglehold they have on the AIO market.
Android, Windows, MAC OS. You used one....and don't bullshit me about Linux. If you hold the patent you have every right to protect your ability to monetize it. What is this moralizing bullshit when it comes to others having money. Oh look that mega company isn't being fair to "my brand" mega company *tears*
@@Berserkism you're completely missing the point lol
@@Taskulare he's not missing shit, he knows. He is likely an Asetek employee. This dude has been in damn near every thread making excuses for Asetek, calling people "White Knights" for calling out Asetek BS, calling them shills for saying they don't act in good faith, and generally drawing really bad hot takes as conclusions.
Things to note: His posts only showed up AFTER the stickied pst from the Asetek rep, and stopped at almost exactly the end of the business day on the east coast. So this dude either works for a PR Firm spreading dis-info and FUD, or he is an Asetek employee. There are a few usernames on here that have some interesting ties/interactions with public facing Asetek employees. This thread is a disaster, as is this competition.
@@Berserkism Man, you just are all over these comments shilling as hard as you can aren't you? You speak like you know what's right, but try to convince others otherwise. Patent shenanigan bullshit lol
AWESOME, so glad that folks are getting a big leg up for getting dope designs in front of the right people!
Thanks Major!
I'm still waiting for the design that got licensed from season 1 to hit the shelves.
you and me both, haven't heard anything about it in some time.
did it actually get licensed? Afaik the company just got in touch with the creator but if they offered shite payment for it he might have refused
@@MajorHardware So give us the low down.... Did you decide to step away from Asetek?
seems to me that Asetek just found a way to pay the equivalent of about 1-2k$ for what could easily be hundreds of community-man-hours going into the design of this component. A competition like this without at the very least offering royalties on the design, or better paying serious money (like an engineering consultant's wage) to the winner and finalists is a predatory practice looking to take advantage of the community's free labor.
1-2k is probably the amount of hourly pay it'd take one of their designers to cad this up. Take the middle of the road at 1500, and say it took four hours to go from drawing board to final file, that's 375 an hour of pay, pre-spent on computer hardware. A piss in the ocean for the company, but they are treating you like an employee
Iono, sounds like they're giving you crumbs considering how much revenue asetek makes yearly. IMO you should be getting a percentage of sales or the equivalent to what their staffed engineers makes. Add in their patent trolling and honestly one can only hope they go bankrupt.
@Major Hardware remember Thomas who made the fan that a company wanted to hire? I just found out that the company is Sapphire and have his fans on their new graphics cards!
Sayyyy what tweet me a link
Asetek? errh.....
A glossy black, acetone smoothened version of that ferrofluid cap would be quite beautiful! Could look very much like the real deal
Holding a patent hostage and cutting costs on R&D
Lmao, Asetek
I think this is pretty cool. I've been reading the comments and there overwhelmingly negative... personally I know nothing about the company and its practices. But I think people might need to chill out a bit When it comes to intellectual property in who owns what. It's a cover to a water pump, if yours is selected right... but it's still just a cap. You didn't design A major function component to the system so chill out people.
I hope people who makes admissions add fans or a fan mount to the top of the pump that way we can have active cooling for the VRM
Oh, so like Arctic, who did that on their Liquid Freeezer II AiOs to bypass Aseteks patent? LMAO
@@-eMpTy- i was think more like in win br24 240mm AIO with uma.
STEP and IGES are awful neutral files. They often fail to capture fillets correctly. I recommend parasolid (X_T, X_B) instead.
That's a fair criticism of the formats, but the point was to choose something that was supported across all platforms. FreeCAD for instance, does not handle parasolid. Fusion 360 can import them, but not export. And then things like TinkerCAD are even more limited.
In a professional environment, better file formats are a reasonable requirement, but for a community project with a bunch of hobbyists, the neutral file formats are just much more available.
An easily replaceable and customizable pump cap is kind of neat in itself.
Yours makes me think of Sonic.
I'd rather buy the product and then print things I can put there instead of entering this contest.
@@DigitalJedi agreed
"Brand new cooler they are developing" you mean the plain old design they always used slapped with a new model number and fancy cap
asetek doing asetek things
The very same one they cant patent anywhere but the usa because other countrys told them to f off, so we here in the states get stuck with 10 plus years of zero innovation in this space because patent trolls gonna patent troll.
Really cool consept !! Love the idea.
this is actually genius. no employee can be as creative and inventive as a whole community of enthusiasts.
We're not living among ourselves in a village, community on the internet is a very loose term and the company gets the meaningful benefit.
The genius part is paying absolutely nothing for hundreds, if not thousands of design ideas that they will then own the intellectual property rights to. Which is the worst set of circumstances for a company that already abuses a bad patent as it is.
Congrats to 200k!
I love the fan showdown, and have really enjoyed your content. I do not love this. It's essentially free crowdsourcing of ideas, and ideas should be sourced internally or paid for as a contracting job.
I'm sure they paid you, or promised to pay you, but I just don't think it should be worth it to compromise like this. The vast majority of people aren't going to go out of their way to design something, for free, for a company who isn't offering actual monetary compensation.
Pretty baller prizes, hope someone comes up with something cool
Asetek...you mean that borderline patent troll company? do you REALLY want to partner with them?
Love companies that does this stuff
This is great. What a way to grow.
I was actually already thinking about doing something like this. Except I have a Deepcool Captain and the print would cover up the LEDs. Also, The silver pipe would get in the way. Now I have a reason to run with it.
Just remember, the ONLY reason that Deepcool Captain has that pipe...is Asetek.
@@bigbuckoramma I think it looks cool the way the LED light bounces off of it though
@@googlegamer4047 yeah, the design has grown on me over time. But the whole point of that pipe, and other designs like it, is to route the fluid outside of the block, to bypass the Asetek patent on containing the pump inlet and outlet in the thermal block itself. The US is the only place this patent is enforced. And enforce it Asetek does. It's a damn shame.
Man the weirdest thing is happening to me rn. The moment the details of the rewards starts being laid out, all I can hear is Admiral Akhbar spouting something in the background.
If it was a company other than Asetek I would be all in. Not about to provide designs to a company known for patent trolling. Based on their previous behavior I imagine they have it set up so that any designs sent in belong to them and you get nothing other than the prizes if you win.
Before anyone jumps ahead, it's just a SUPERFICIAL design of the PUMP CAP. You are not affecting the performance of AIO
i think its neat they are engaging with creators more companies could learn abit about promotion
Is there a tiny cooling fan in there? Is so perhaps air flow is something to consider
Asetek gets free design work and then gets to sell it and make money from the free work provided by 'competitors'.
Sounds neat. lulz.
Major Hardware!! I found the fan! It’s the design for the hot swappable sapphire fans!
this is a cool idea. guess i can throw my ideas in the hat and see what happens😅
Damn this backfired hard.
So the final part is to be injection molded right? As cool as the magnetic flux pattern looks, I can't see how you'd ever manage to get it to release from a mold.
I made one for my AIO. Never even considered it until I watched this video. Now the RGB light shows through to a troll face. Lol.
nice new competition. waiting to see it. but how you going to compare different design?
Everyone can do free modeling using Blender. It even supports common CAD formats.
I can only see a cap with no added electronics being good for airflow redirection or added vertical fan mounts for better airflow over the vrm/ram with inset indentions for orientation in various scenarios.
Crowd sourced development is amazing
wonder if adding a small fan for VRM cooling would be good. Also if your afraid they will take your desgin ideas and use them later, copyright them.
I bet any design created for this challenge is subject to and submitted for patent application by Asetek. Basically, buying the patent for a design and removing the possibility that the idea can be sold or built by someone else.
love your videos and people's innovation. Could you tell which smoke machine do you use?
No limitations as to moldability? Because your ferrofluid hedgehog is a nightmare in that aspect.
How about no "prizes" and Asetek pay a fair price for the design, and marketing they will get from this.
So freaking cool!
Is the cooler metallic? It would be cool to do something with magnets that moves while it runs
Where can I get the STL for the dragon capsule on the right?
saw this, made one, and entered xD but where do i find the poll?
I didn't understand. They give you a liquid cooler that you have to give back at the end?
That's cool, I'm totally going to try this. Be prepared for some reeeeeeealy crappy 3d CAD work from my email!
God fricking dam... Good luck to everyone I am tempted to buy one when it comes out!
Especially since if ya got a 3d printer ya can just make a new one.