By 1960 Gibson was mainly using Alnico 5 magnets in their PAFs, which would probably explain those guitars sounding a bit hotter. 58s were mainly Alnico 2 and 59s were mainly Alnico 4.
It depends of the single guitar, and it depends how it lived and aged during these 60 years. Check for Kossoff’s ‘59 (not the striped one), that guitar isn’t ‘hot’, it has the devil inside! But it’s correct for sure that ‘58s, for what you can listen and for what it’s been said by people that have listened and played many of them, tend to be ‘darker’.
@@toivonencresto I never met Kossoff, but me and my band (we were 17-18yrs) were invited to bass player Andy Fraser house for a chat and a bit of music as he lived nearby in Surrey. That was around 1972-3 I'm guessing.
@astraplaaneta4656, Yes pretty much. according to Dave Stephens of "Stephens design pickups" who has been inside hundreds of old PAF's to replicate them said that Gibson very rarely ever used A5 until the 60's and before that A2 was the primary magnet they used by a large margin. of course there were some with A4 but overall the most used magnet in them was the A2.
The McCartney burst would sell for a lot because of rarity and the owner, but it's a recent guitar of his and doesn't have the history and impact of Beano. Beano is a true holy grail relic of guitar gods.
Great video as always, such a cool topic/mystery. Have been looking forward to more videos, so I’m glad to hear there’s more on the way! Also, a gent mentioned in one of his comments his desire to hear that vintage Aristocrat. I too would love to hear you demo/talk about that. Maybe you guys could do a Guild show and talk about the history of Guild and focus the playing on the Aristocrat and any other Guild’s you gents have? Just an idea. Cheers and stay safe!
Love these stories! Being left handed, I was excited to hear about a 5th example that has just recently been found, but then Ramon cuts off Bob’s story with “long story short...”. No!!! Never make a long story short. We’re here for long stories from Bob! Need to know more. 😃
Well, I guess you’ll have to do another episode all about that 5th lefty! Would really love to hear that story. Keep the info flowing. Thx for doing these. Great stuff.
Speaking of bristles, the beard's coming along nicely, Bob. And thanks, you fellows, for possibly causing me to drive 28 miles to the only bookstore nearby here in Ohio that just MIGHT carry that issue of Guitarist (not easy to find Brit guitar magazines here) during a pandemic. The wife might not let me though.
@@TheGuitarShow Just ordered it online but probably won't get it until March 1st. The wife and I used to go to the local bookstore/coffee shop and I'd order a coffee and sit and read all the British guitar mags. Haven't been able to do it because of Covid. Take care, you two. I'll keep an eye out for the issue with Bob's guitars. It's Guitar magazine, right? (by the way, in my opinion British guitar mags are far superior to American)
Hi guys, Love you guys talking. Don’t forget that there was studio trickery that went on. Compression. Reverb...limiters, EQ, micing technique. So the beano album tone is a studio sound. No doubt the fingers, guitar and amp.... but in the end the translated sound is not easily obtainable without the set up in the room.
People always forget this. Lowell George used 2 studio compressors to get THAT sound. By the 80s Lukather, Landau etc were taking those fridge racks on tour ie taking the studio on tour
In my humble opinion Jimmy Pages' number 1 59 less Paul would sell for more because of all the music that was made with it. The Beano les Paul was only used briefly.
Well it had gold top hat knobs not reflectors so it was either a early 60 or mid year 60. Once gibson changed the dye in the finish to not fade they also started using reflector control knobs. Yes the knobs could have been swapped out by Clapton or someone else so that is a possibility. My best guest is a mid 60's LP standard With what is known as the version 2 neck shape. Gibson offers these on modern 60's reissues. V1 is a standard 59 profile , V2 is thinner and V3 is what is known as the blade neck profile. It is the modern slim taper.
I read the Guitarist article and straight away thought of the video you recently did on The Beano Burst. Be interesting to know what condition the guitar is in now - although I’m sure if it ever surfaced there’d be plenty of people out there happy to throw crazy money at it regardless of how it sounded or played! Love the channel! 👍
I think Clapton has the guitar and is having so much fun listening to us all talk about it, and doesnt want to spoil the fun by telling us the truth; besides, look at the value of it rising. I think once Clapton passes on, the Beano guitar will be found and will be a nice addition to to Claptons legacy.
Clapton said a long time ago that he had another nice Les Paul and it's just to play; he's totally switched to Strats and just isn't in the market for one; he has no need for one and isn't looking for one(and likely hasn't thought about it for years).
I wonder how many people in the UK have tried to find the serial number through the record keeping of Selmer Music? Given that Selmer was one of the few dealers of Gibson I would think that all Gibson serial numbers were well documented. Even though Selmer has been out of business for many years it's possible that their records are still floating around somewhere. As for Beano, I think it must be found before EC passes on because he's probably the only person who can authenticate it given no serial number is known.
There's just one little detail in all of this that's glaringly obvious by its omission. It's the elephant in the living room. If this thing does turn up, and it gets verified as genuine, what happens next? Does Clapton get it back? Does he have any legal claim to it? Is he going to have to buy it back from it's present owner at current value? Is Clapton even going to care after all this time? Is he going to say "Oh Hell I want me bloody Les Paul back!" This will be an interesting shit storm to watch if it does turn up while Mr. Clapton is still with us. This could go any one of a hundred different ways. Personally, I'd love to see it resurface, and EC get it back, and then play some gigs with it and perhaps make another album and play it on all of the tracks. .........that would be a happy ending.
I recall a quote from Peter Green where he said he didn't think his Green/Moore burst was as nice as Clapton's Beano burst because his had a very large neck compared to Eric's LP. I believe Clapton has stated the Beano burst had a smaller neck as well. Unfortunately, I can't point to where I heard or read these statements. I mention this to add to the extensive research Bob and Ramon have already done.
Nice promo for Tony Bacon who also doesn’t access primary sources! Inaccuracy alert: the auction is the determining factor in the value chain and no Les Paul you mentioned will ever achieve that of the Strats in the timeline of the auctions allowing for inflation. Source: Kerry Keen, Christies
Clapton also mentions that the strap was stolen with the guitar. The strap is distinctive, black leather belt with the names ‘Buddy Guy’, ‘Big Maceo’ and ‘Otis Rush’ carved on the inside as seen in photos. I wonder if that survived and if it's still with the guitar.
I still think Jimmy Page's Les Paul would fetch the highest dollar. It's a '59 burst, Jimmy Page's, and is on all those famous Led Zeppelin songs, albums, and tours. It's so iconic. The Beano LP a very close 2nd place. Most people wouldn't know Paul McCartney's Les Paul if it landed in their lap. Cheers guys. Love the videos.
Do they know that the Greeny 59 LP, that after Garry Moore sold it for just under a Million Pounds, to a dealer who sold it to another dealer, that sold it to Kirk Hammet, for around about 1.8 to 2 million Dollars. Jo Bonamassa says that Erics LP (Beano) is in fact a 59, not a 60, he has extremely solid info that it is in a Billionaire specialist guitar collection. that resides on the East Coast of the US. Now Joe knows his stuff, he would not say, if it was not reliable. These two say its in London.???? Ally.
I think the Beano Burst was a 59 not a 60. The red in the picture doesn’t prove or disprove anything since it was only 5 or 6 years old at the time. All 58’s and 59’s still had their red after 5 or 6 years. Look at videos of Page, Allman etc playing in the 70’s and their 59’s still had the red. It has 59 knobs which I’m not sure why you’d switch out knobs it seems like a menial change to make. The basis of why we all assume it’s a 60 is Clapton’s recollection that it had a thin neck. But let’s look at what necks Clapton played. The Fool was a 63 or 64 which was the year Gibson went back to a baseball bat neck. Then Clapton went to the 10/56 deep V fender neck for brownie and blackie. Clapton obviously liked big necks. So we’re basing this being a 60 off somebody’s recollection of a thin neck but we can see from his other guitar choices that they all had big necks. And let’s not forget the ES the king of the baseball bat necks. I can tell you that the difference between a 60 LP neck and a 63 SG is huge. That would be a massive change in what somebody’s preference would be. However, if you went from a 59 LP neck to a 63SG you’d probably look back and say yeah the Les Paul had a thinner neck. I believe it was a 59 not a 60. I don’t think what color it was in a photo when it was only 5-6 years old proves anything, nor does does Claptons recollection that it was thin because that is relative. I base it on two things, first going from a 60LP neck to a 63SG or an ES neck is not a likely progression. What is more likely is going from a 59 neck to the 63SG and ES and then still thinking yeah that Les Paul had a thinner neck (which it would do). The other thing I base it on might be pretty stupid but it’s the knobs. Why the hell would somebody change out knobs. Newer was better then, they had reflective material on it which was in then (dragoncaster pickguard etc). They may have fallen off or maybe he just didn’t like them but the neck progression is not logical to me
Also, two more things to suggest it’s a 59. In 66 The Butterfield Blues band played at Leeds and Mike Bloomfield noted that he and Clapton were both playing “1959 Les Paul Cherry Red Sunbursts”. He specifically said 1959. Maybe he didn’t know any better (although he obviously knew the year of his guitar) which doesn’t prove Claptons was a 59 but it does prove that Bloomfield definitely knew what year his was so he knew more about them than Clapton obviously did since he doesn’t know. My point is Bloomfield said the year he didn’t just say Les Paul Bursts. The other thing is a few years back (and this went largely unchecked) Joe Bonamassa came out and said he’s seen the Beano Burst and it’s in a private collection and it’s a 59). He later recanted this and we for some reason make pretend it never happened. I don’t actually think Joe Bonamassa is full of shit. He’s seen enough Bursts and rolls in those circles enough to know what he’s looking at. For Christ sake he owns half the known bursts available today. My bet is Joe Bonamassa did see the burst, Clapton knows where the burst is or who has it and it’s in a private collection. How it was obtained, how he it could legally get it back if he even wanted to pursue that, is it still legally his, did this collector duke him a bunch of money to shut up who knows. But my bet is Bonamassa had a Freudian slip, quickly recanted and we all pretend it was never said. And go in believing it was a 60 because a man who was abusing substances at the time recalls it had a thin neck lol. A man who outside of a Norcaster played the laundry list of the hugest necks in history immediately after the burst. Everything except Claptons hazy recollection points to it being a 59 and not a 60
A lot of these 'burst stories have grown arms and legs over the years. Such stories, in themselves, have probably just added to the mystique and value of them as guitars. Everyone loves to tell an I-know-something-that-you-don't-know story. Joe Bonamassa seems to be as susceptible to a good dit as everybody else. I would not lend any more credence to his take, purely on the basis that he is an avid collector and celeb musician worth multi-millions, than I would to a bloke in the saloon bar of my local pub.
I'm the same age as Bob, also a guitar nut. I wasn't in London during the 60's but was there during most of the 70's. Just about all the fabulous London West End musical instrument shops mentioned here were well stocked and doing good business at this time, and fantastic to visit. Selmer's being the most notable, new and used gear, pedals, drums, woodwind the lot. Also many other stores spread around the suburbs within easy reach. Supplemented by this, I would also like to add the 70's London pub/club music scene was incredibly vibrant, hosted incredibly talented musicians, generally free to walk in and not reflective at all of what was happening in the charts if you appreciated watching great guitarists. For this you were charged a little more on your pints, but being Friday/Saturday and just got paid, it didn't matter. For the rest of the week you hunted out the the other gigs, starved, leaving just enough for the bus rides to work till the following weekend.
When's part 2 of EVHs guitars, want to hear more chisels hack saws drills etc. Never liked his music but after that video I've a new found respect for the man, RIP Edward.
P90's or Humbuckers??? What are your top 5 Guitar Solos??? Also what pickups were used to record each one??? Single coils, P90's or Humbuckers??? How can we prove that's what was really used to record them???
I know this video is a couple of years old but I watched a video interview with Joe Bonamassa in which he claimed to have personally seen and claims to know the exact location of the Beano Les Paul, he refused to give an exact location but said it was on the east coast of America.
I’d love to hear Bob play his Guild Aristocrat at some point! I have a somewhat more recent Bluesbird, hollow like the Aristo with the same body shape & size but featuring Guild’s “anti-hum” HB pickups. One of my fav guitars.
Great video! I been watching y’all’s videos for a while. But I would think Jimmy Page Number One Les Paul would be the most expensive Les Paul. If it ever sells
Ok guys, not exactly over the past year but by far the best guitar playing, not just solo has to be Texas Flood at The El Macambo. Ramon would agree with me!
I'm pretty sure many people know who owns the Beano burst, as well as other rare long lost ones (Bloomfield's, Beck's). It's quite evident Bonamassa knows it and has seen it. And make no mistake, EC must know it too and isn't interested unless the owner comes forward and makes an offer that will go to his Crossroads Center.
Has anyone compared the Beano album sound to the live Bluesbreakers tone? It’s very different. Obviously a lot of factors are involved that can change sound, but nevertheless, it’s an interesting comparison, particularly the Stormy Monday tone which is so rich and creamy with far less of a grainy sound than you would expect.
I own a 1960 Les Paul Classic re-issue with what I call an aged Cherry Burst,.... tomato burst, (?) Never heard it called that here in the States ? The only reason I got it was for the thin neck, & it's gorgeous on top of that. Being a Fender man especially a Tele man, all the Gibson L. Paul's necks other than the 1960 were just too fat for me. I'll never part with mine, even the re-issue's in Burst are rare now.
So if JOE B knows where it is, and they know who JOE B is, I think JOE B would have been given an opportunity to play THE BEANO BURST for sure !!! So hey, JOE B, was it incredible or what ???
Yep The Shadows I'd say pretty much caused the guitar boom in Brit in the early '60s, they and the skiffle movement in the late '50s, both certainly hit hard here in NZ at the time. From what we know on the LPF Gil Southworth says that Beano's a '59. He claims to have it on good authority that it's 9 XXXX care of one of his guitar illuminati acquaintances, that's the latest as of about 3 years ago or so.
Sorry Bob.......Erics burst would be far more desirable than Pauls lefty, for the reason that no important music has come from Pauls burst, his Hofner & Casino yes, but not his burst, it's a celebrity trophy piece, Erics missing burst was rarely seen but heard by millions with lasting memories.
I would have to disagree at nine minutes in at the notion of a washed-out picture -That is, after all a tortoiseshell pickguard on the precision bass which is likely had its finish stripped…?
Greeny is the real holy grail. If there were ever a guitar that had a magic spell, it’s that 59. It’s a shame Kirk Hammett now has it and is parading it around like a circus attraction... it’s even a bit of a shame that Gary Moore bullied it off Peter when he was mentally not with it and trashed it on the road.
How do you know that Gary Moore bullied the guitar off Peter Green? Bullied off or not, the fact that Gary Moore has owned that guitar certainly added a lot to the story of Greeny.
THE GUITARS CLAPTONS PLAYING IN THOSE PICS ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT GUITAR THE ONE AT 9;40 ID BET THATS A 59 OR 58 WHO KNOWS WHO HE BORROWED FROM? BEFORE HE BOUGHT 1
This guitar has probably been found and nobody can really identify it. Maybe people back in the 60s thought it was a 1960 because it had a skinny neck and they knew nothing of how to read a Gibson serial number perhaps? I’ve played a 59 with a thin neck. They all differ to an extent being made by hand.
-A HA ...but wha'bout Bloomy's sacred burst ...and was there more than one ? ...and and and. Your thoughts, please (?) On the 1st Butterfierld album... that's what fish-hooked me on electrics... Boy-oh-boy ...From then on, I wuzza teenage weirdo-plunking meister and there aint no cure forit ...no how & no way..........
I thought the guitar Bloomfield played on the 1st Butterfield album was his Telecaster? And he owned a P90 Les Paul prior to changing to the burst he played in the Flag.
Macca’s Les Paul was a gift from Linda, I gather. I believe he’s had it for a fairly long time. I agree with you both, that Les Paul in the photo is definitely a 1960; the red is the giveaway as you well said. When are you guys doing a history of Alvin Lee’s gear? 😉 One of my favorite solos of all time would be Peter Green with Fleetwood Mac at The Warehouse in New Orleans in 1970 on the song I’ve Got a Mind to Give Up Living. th-cam.com/video/IxgY9eEFiYM/w-d-xo.html
I also think you’d be surprised by Jimmy Pages #1 and #2... 58 and 59 respectively. If they ever came up for auction they would certainly sell for millions; easily the most iconic Les Pauls of all time. Talk about influential, Slash would have never played one of it weren’t for those and Gibson probably wouldn’t exist anymore.
So sad that people (not you) know where and... WHAT is ('58/'59/'60)... and we can just speculate about that. For Sure Beano will rise, the sad thing is I think it'll be only when Eric had already passed away. This Said, I don't think Paul's Burst (it's a '60, 0 1182 if I recall correctly) could be worth more than Beano, or Page's N.1. For Sure is a "rarer" instrument, but not so important in the history of music and Paul had it only in mid '80s (if I'm correct, again). Clapton changed music with his Crank'd Bluesbreaker + 'Burst. This said, if Bonamassa said Beano it's a '59... it's a '59 for sure ;)
Political correctness is at a ridiculous point right now. I understand the concept of inclusion and being nice to everyone but nowadays anything you say will offend someone, even if you don’t mean it...🙄🙄🙄
@@jltrem I did read his autobiography a few years ago. I don’t have a clear recollection but I believe he was drunk on stage at some point and blurted out racist comments (don’t know directed at who or what he said). For the most part Slowhand’s career has been based on Blues which is an African American art form. I’ve never seen anything but admiration and appreciation on his part for our black brethren. I believe this happened 50 years ago and he has since apologized for this incident; maybe several times. I believe continuing to penalize him for this incident is ridiculous and stupid.
@@vayabroder729 Had Clapton NOT made the multiple apologies and recognition of his full responsibilities of his racist statements and the wrongness and hypocrisy of them, I could understand the current criticism of him.
Do you both ascribe value and importance to the Beano by dint of it's disappearance? Granted, Beano was an important album. I mean I think he owned it for less than a year? And a 60 is not as storied as a 58 or 59. Page's 1 and 2 seem more important to me. Or Peter Greene's. Clapton's renown isn't what it was too in some circles. If it showed up and I had a billion dollars, I wouldn't want it just because it has the thinner neck.
Lord Robert, again with this miscegenation of the classes. We don't mind this peculiar relationship with your footman as long as it is ikept private. what are these videos good sir?? What kind of ideas will the hoi polloi take from such behavior?
Am I the only one who would love to hear Clapton plug a Burst into a cranked JTM45 one last time?
You are not the only one.
No - except I'd rather hear the 100 watt plexi.
@@deanallen927for the 100w I’ll take Jimmy Page
Thank you Bob and Ramon! You do a fantastic job with these historical episodes. Cheers from Canada
Pleasure Will
Interesting. Would be amazing if it was still in London
Absolutely
Logic would favour it. Moved on quickly to a low profile local player for quick cash. No point in sending it back to America or on Europe.
Haven’t even seen the video title but I know it’ll be good if it has the words Bob, Ramone, and beano in it 😂🎸
Thanks Fred!
Bobby Ramone, the long-lost Bash Street Kid
When i hear Bob and Ramon i know it will be a good time!
By 1960 Gibson was mainly using Alnico 5 magnets in their PAFs, which would probably explain those guitars sounding a bit hotter. 58s were mainly Alnico 2 and 59s were mainly Alnico 4.
Thanks
It depends of the single guitar, and it depends how it lived and aged during these 60 years. Check for Kossoff’s ‘59 (not the striped one), that guitar isn’t ‘hot’, it has the devil inside! But it’s correct for sure that ‘58s, for what you can listen and for what it’s been said by people that have listened and played many of them, tend to be ‘darker’.
@@toivonencresto I never met Kossoff, but me and my band (we were 17-18yrs) were invited to bass player Andy Fraser house for a chat and a bit of music as he lived nearby in Surrey. That was around 1972-3 I'm guessing.
@astraplaaneta4656, Yes pretty much. according to Dave Stephens of "Stephens design pickups" who has been inside hundreds of old PAF's to replicate them said that Gibson very rarely ever used A5 until the 60's and before that A2 was the primary magnet they used by a large margin. of course there were some with A4 but overall the most used magnet in them was the A2.
We love BOB
So do I that's why I invited him on the channel
Trouble is, so does he.
@@Rockbeareguitars Bob I'm sorry but I love you more!!
Another person who worked at Lew Davis was Ike Isaacs .. He sold my dad my first guitar , A Hofner 162 ( V2) and a Watkins Westminster amp..
Thanks for this Clive!
I reckon by now it has a black paint job, EMGs and a Floyd. Hopefully some upstart is ripping on it and getting chicks.
You could be right - great point!
Love the nostalgia for that era and area. Was at St Martins School of Art 1975/76 so was always in those shops... probably saw Bob there!?
Very interesting !! Thank you both 🎸♥️
Always a pleasure to see you guys. Bob, I did the same as you, looking for guitars everywhere, but later, (I was 6 in '68!) and in Paris.
The McCartney burst would sell for a lot because of rarity and the owner, but it's a recent guitar of his and doesn't have the history and impact of Beano. Beano is a true holy grail relic of guitar gods.
I agree with you Vic!
Great video as always, such a cool topic/mystery. Have been looking forward to more videos, so I’m glad to hear there’s more on the way! Also, a gent mentioned in one of his comments his desire to hear that vintage Aristocrat. I too would love to hear you demo/talk about that. Maybe you guys could do a Guild show and talk about the history of Guild and focus the playing on the Aristocrat and any other Guild’s you gents have? Just an idea. Cheers and stay safe!
Awesome show
Love these stories! Being left handed, I was excited to hear about a 5th example that has just recently been found, but then Ramon cuts off Bob’s story with “long story short...”. No!!! Never make a long story short. We’re here for long stories from Bob! Need to know more. 😃
Sorry - we try to keep these videos to 20 minutes - especially when we are not playing the guitar!
Well, I guess you’ll have to do another episode all about that 5th lefty! Would really love to hear that story. Keep the info flowing. Thx for doing these. Great stuff.
@@StringBender pleasure bro... A great suggestion I ll give Bob in the floor in the next B&R show
Need to know about the 5th lefty.
...which will surely come forth in due course! Ha 😁
hey i like these talking videos couldve really geek'd out that have been great to me!!!!! great show guys
Speaking of bristles, the beard's coming along nicely, Bob. And thanks, you fellows, for possibly causing me to drive 28 miles to the only bookstore nearby here in Ohio that just MIGHT carry that issue of Guitarist (not easy to find Brit guitar magazines here) during a pandemic. The wife might not let me though.
It's a great magazine bro let me know if you manage to get it
@@TheGuitarShow Just ordered it online but probably won't get it until March 1st. The wife and I used to go to the local bookstore/coffee shop and I'd order a coffee and sit and read all the British guitar mags. Haven't been able to do it because of Covid. Take care, you two. I'll keep an eye out for the issue with Bob's guitars. It's Guitar magazine, right? (by the way, in my opinion British guitar mags are far superior to American)
@@jltrem thanks. Yes maybe Bob can chime in with exact copy... Good idea about ordering online. I know I really miss the cafe life!
Don’t forget to order and pick up the March issue of The Guitar Magazine featuring some of my gear while you’re there 👍
@@Rockbeareguitars Thanks Bob.
Hi guys, Love you guys talking. Don’t forget that there was studio trickery that went on. Compression. Reverb...limiters, EQ, micing technique. So the beano album tone is a studio sound. No doubt the fingers, guitar and amp.... but in the end the translated sound is not easily obtainable without the set up in the room.
People always forget this. Lowell George used 2 studio compressors to get THAT sound. By the 80s Lukather, Landau etc were taking those fridge racks on tour ie taking the studio on tour
@@personanongrata1308 thanks for that info
I'd bet Billy Gibbons' 1959 "Pearly Gates" would sell for more than the Beano Les Paul.
Good point - and an interesting opinion - thanks Darr
It’s worth pointing out that Bob’s comment re: ‘they tend to get hotter’ means ‘later in the Production Run’ not ‘age makes it fiery’ 😉👍
Good point
Yes, exactly, thanks for amplifying / clarifying...
In my humble opinion Jimmy Pages' number 1 59 less Paul would sell for more because of all the music that was made with it. The Beano les Paul was only used briefly.
The most valuable Les Paul, if ever sold, without a doubt would be Jimmy Pages #1
You may well be right there.
Great video guys!!! Personally I think the beano Les Paul is in a Collection on the East cost of North America
Well it had gold top hat knobs not reflectors so it was either a early 60 or mid year 60. Once gibson changed the dye in the finish to not fade they also started using reflector control knobs. Yes the knobs could have been swapped out by Clapton or someone else so that is a possibility. My best guest is a mid 60's LP standard With what is known as the version 2 neck shape. Gibson offers these on modern 60's reissues. V1 is a standard 59 profile , V2 is thinner and V3 is what is known as the blade neck profile. It is the modern slim taper.
My favorite live solo is probably Mick Ronson on moonage daydream live at Santa Monica
IMHO Maccas Hofner will set the all time record, if and when. Allegedly he keeps it in a fireproof safe under the floorboards of his bedroom.😉
Jimmy' Page's #1 would be the most valuable Les Paul. (IMHO)
I read the Guitarist article and straight away thought of the video you recently did on The Beano Burst. Be interesting to know what condition the guitar is in now - although I’m sure if it ever surfaced there’d be plenty of people out there happy to throw crazy money at it regardless of how it sounded or played! Love the channel! 👍
I think Clapton has the guitar and is having so much fun listening to us all talk about it, and doesnt want to spoil the fun by telling us the truth; besides, look at the value of it rising. I think once Clapton passes on, the Beano guitar will be found and will be a nice addition to to Claptons legacy.
Clapton said a long time ago that he had another nice Les Paul and it's just to play; he's totally switched to Strats and just isn't in the market for one; he has no need for one and isn't looking for one(and likely hasn't thought about it for years).
I wonder how many people in the UK have tried to find the serial number through the record keeping of Selmer Music? Given that Selmer was one of the few dealers of Gibson I would think that all Gibson serial numbers were well documented. Even though Selmer has been out of business for many years it's possible that their records are still floating around somewhere. As for Beano, I think it must be found before EC passes on because he's probably the only person who can authenticate it given no serial number is known.
Great comment thanks
There's just one little detail in all of this that's glaringly obvious by its omission. It's the elephant in the living room.
If this thing does turn up, and it gets verified as genuine, what happens next? Does Clapton get it back? Does he have any legal claim to it? Is he going to have to buy it back from it's present owner at current value? Is Clapton even going to care after all this time? Is he going to say "Oh Hell I want me bloody Les Paul back!" This will be an interesting shit storm to watch if it does turn up while Mr. Clapton is still with us. This could go any one of a hundred different ways.
Personally, I'd love to see it resurface, and EC get it back, and then play some gigs with it and perhaps make another album and play it on all of the tracks.
.........that would be a happy ending.
Good points here
I recall a quote from Peter Green where he said he didn't think his Green/Moore burst was as nice as Clapton's Beano burst because his had a very large neck compared to Eric's LP. I believe Clapton has stated the Beano burst had a smaller neck as well. Unfortunately, I can't point to where I heard or read these statements. I mention this to add to the extensive research Bob and Ramon have already done.
as always great show gentlemen. anyone else think bob kind of favors david gilmore with the growth he has going on ?
Thanks and now you mention it!
Nice promo for Tony Bacon who also doesn’t access primary sources! Inaccuracy alert: the auction is the determining factor in the value chain and no Les Paul you mentioned will ever achieve that of the Strats in the timeline of the auctions allowing for inflation. Source: Kerry Keen, Christies
Clapton also mentions that the strap was stolen with the guitar. The strap is distinctive, black leather belt with the names ‘Buddy Guy’, ‘Big Maceo’ and ‘Otis Rush’ carved on the inside as seen in photos. I wonder if that survived and if it's still with the guitar.
Great stuff ! I wonder if McCartney can shed any light on its whereabouts ? I bet he knows !!!
Joe bonamassa swears he knows who owns it and has seen it personally.
I still think Jimmy Page's Les Paul would fetch the highest dollar. It's a '59 burst, Jimmy Page's, and is on all those famous Led Zeppelin songs, albums, and tours. It's so iconic. The Beano LP a very close 2nd place. Most people wouldn't know Paul McCartney's Les Paul if it landed in their lap. Cheers guys. Love the videos.
He Modified his Les Paul, it wouldn't be worth near as much.
@@TheGoldtopdude So did David Gilmour (with the black strat) many times and that guitar fetched over $4 million.
Do they know that the Greeny 59 LP, that after Garry Moore sold it for just under a Million Pounds, to a dealer who sold it to another dealer, that sold it to Kirk Hammet, for around about 1.8 to 2 million Dollars. Jo Bonamassa says that Erics LP (Beano) is in fact a 59, not a 60, he has extremely solid info that it is in a Billionaire specialist guitar collection. that resides on the East Coast of the US. Now Joe knows his stuff, he would not say, if it was not reliable. These two say its in London.???? Ally.
I've been told it's in London by an expert collector. At this time I can not elaborate.
Ramon, you need to relocate your webcam. Your hand is constantly right in front of your camera.
Sorry lol
I think the Beano Burst was a 59 not a 60. The red in the picture doesn’t prove or disprove anything since it was only 5 or 6 years old at the time. All 58’s and 59’s still had their red after 5 or 6 years. Look at videos of Page, Allman etc playing in the 70’s and their 59’s still had the red. It has 59 knobs which I’m not sure why you’d switch out knobs it seems like a menial change to make. The basis of why we all assume it’s a 60 is Clapton’s recollection that it had a thin neck. But let’s look at what necks Clapton played. The Fool was a 63 or 64 which was the year Gibson went back to a baseball bat neck. Then Clapton went to the 10/56 deep V fender neck for brownie and blackie. Clapton obviously liked big necks. So we’re basing this being a 60 off somebody’s recollection of a thin neck but we can see from his other guitar choices that they all had big necks. And let’s not forget the ES the king of the baseball bat necks. I can tell you that the difference between a 60 LP neck and a 63 SG is huge. That would be a massive change in what somebody’s preference would be. However, if you went from a 59 LP neck to a 63SG you’d probably look back and say yeah the Les Paul had a thinner neck. I believe it was a 59 not a 60. I don’t think what color it was in a photo when it was only 5-6 years old proves anything, nor does does Claptons recollection that it was thin because that is relative. I base it on two things, first going from a 60LP neck to a 63SG or an ES neck is not a likely progression. What is more likely is going from a 59 neck to the 63SG and ES and then still thinking yeah that Les Paul had a thinner neck (which it would do). The other thing I base it on might be pretty stupid but it’s the knobs. Why the hell would somebody change out knobs. Newer was better then, they had reflective material on it which was in then (dragoncaster pickguard etc). They may have fallen off or maybe he just didn’t like them but the neck progression is not logical to me
Thanks for this
Also, two more things to suggest it’s a 59. In 66 The Butterfield Blues band played at Leeds and Mike Bloomfield noted that he and Clapton were both playing “1959 Les Paul Cherry Red Sunbursts”. He specifically said 1959. Maybe he didn’t know any better (although he obviously knew the year of his guitar) which doesn’t prove Claptons was a 59 but it does prove that Bloomfield definitely knew what year his was so he knew more about them than Clapton obviously did since he doesn’t know. My point is Bloomfield said the year he didn’t just say Les Paul Bursts. The other thing is a few years back (and this went largely unchecked) Joe Bonamassa came out and said he’s seen the Beano Burst and it’s in a private collection and it’s a 59). He later recanted this and we for some reason make pretend it never happened. I don’t actually think Joe Bonamassa is full of shit. He’s seen enough Bursts and rolls in those circles enough to know what he’s looking at. For Christ sake he owns half the known bursts available today. My bet is Joe Bonamassa did see the burst, Clapton knows where the burst is or who has it and it’s in a private collection. How it was obtained, how he it could legally get it back if he even wanted to pursue that, is it still legally his, did this collector duke him a bunch of money to shut up who knows. But my bet is Bonamassa had a Freudian slip, quickly recanted and we all pretend it was never said. And go in believing it was a 60 because a man who was abusing substances at the time recalls it had a thin neck lol. A man who outside of a Norcaster played the laundry list of the hugest necks in history immediately after the burst. Everything except Claptons hazy recollection points to it being a 59 and not a 60
Hows a 59 or 60 neck compare in thickness to the tele he played in the yardbirds, a lot thick, thinner or similar?
What about Bonamassa claiming the beano is in a East Coast collection ?
Apparently the beano is still in London and Clapton is aware of its whereabouts but as to why he has never pursued it only he can say
A lot of these 'burst stories have grown arms and legs over the years. Such stories, in themselves, have probably just added to the mystique and value of them as guitars. Everyone loves to tell an I-know-something-that-you-don't-know story. Joe Bonamassa seems to be as susceptible to a good dit as everybody else. I would not lend any more credence to his take, purely on the basis that he is an avid collector and celeb musician worth multi-millions, than I would to a bloke in the saloon bar of my local pub.
I'm the same age as Bob, also a guitar nut.
I wasn't in London during the 60's but was there during most of the 70's. Just about all the fabulous London West End musical instrument shops mentioned here were well stocked and doing good business at this time, and fantastic to visit. Selmer's being the most notable, new and used gear, pedals, drums, woodwind the lot. Also many other stores spread around the suburbs within easy reach.
Supplemented by this, I would also like to add the 70's London pub/club music scene was incredibly vibrant, hosted incredibly talented musicians, generally free to walk in and not reflective at all of what was happening in the charts if you appreciated watching great guitarists. For this you were charged a little more on your pints, but being Friday/Saturday and just got paid, it didn't matter. For the rest of the week you hunted out the the other gigs, starved, leaving just enough for the bus rides to work till the following weekend.
A brillian comment - thanks we will try to cover more about this subject very soon.
@@TheGuitarShow Thank you! I look forward to adding more if you do cover it, including all the old live music haunts around London
When's part 2 of EVHs guitars, want to hear more chisels hack saws drills etc. Never liked his music but after that video I've a new found respect for the man, RIP Edward.
Amen👍!
Wait till you hear what happened
to his Yellow/Black guitar...
@@BeesWaxMinder - Now THAT'S a great story.
P90's or Humbuckers??? What are your top 5 Guitar Solos??? Also what pickups were used to record each one??? Single coils, P90's or Humbuckers??? How can we prove that's what was really used to record them???
I know this video is a couple of years old but I watched a video interview with Joe Bonamassa in which he claimed to have personally seen and claims to know the exact location of the Beano Les Paul, he refused to give an exact location but said it was on the east coast of America.
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I’d love to hear Bob play his Guild Aristocrat at some point! I have a somewhat more recent Bluesbird, hollow like the Aristo with the same body shape & size but featuring Guild’s “anti-hum” HB pickups. One of my fav guitars.
Lew Davis was not on the corner of Denmark St, it was on the Corner Denmark Place!
Great video! I been watching y’all’s videos for a while. But I would think Jimmy Page Number One Les Paul would be the most expensive Les Paul. If it ever sells
JP will probably be buried with it.
His guitar also has an amazing story.
There’s a guy in Australia who makes exact replicas of his pickups.
This sure makes me miss my 1961 Les Paul Jr.! I know, off subject! You'll have to know I was born in January 1952!
Ok guys, not exactly over the past year but by far the best guitar playing, not just solo has to be Texas Flood at The El Macambo. Ramon would agree with me!
Page's #1 les paul will sell for the most money out of any les paul
You may be correct!
come on ... Page's #1 would be the most valuable Lester
I agree 100%
Wouldn't Macca's first (or second) violin bass be the most valuable guitar ever at auction? Surely we'd be taking Leonardo?
very true - hes had it all his career
What about Gibbon’s Pearly Gates in the price competition ?
Great point - and a good question!
And the Marsden Beast! That’s an absolute beauty.
I'm pretty sure many people know who owns the Beano burst, as well as other rare long lost ones (Bloomfield's, Beck's). It's quite evident Bonamassa knows it and has seen it. And make no mistake, EC must know it too and isn't interested unless the owner comes forward and makes an offer that will go to his Crossroads Center.
Guys! What about Keef's Les Paul back in the earlier days of the Stones?
Has anyone compared the Beano album sound to the live Bluesbreakers tone? It’s very different. Obviously a lot of factors are involved that can change sound, but nevertheless, it’s an interesting comparison, particularly the Stormy Monday tone which is so rich and creamy with far less of a grainy sound than you would expect.
G. ear A. cquisition S. yndrome seems to be contagious?
I own a 1960 Les Paul Classic re-issue with what I call an aged Cherry Burst,.... tomato burst, (?) Never heard it called that here in the States ? The only reason I got it was for the thin neck, & it's gorgeous on top of that. Being a Fender man especially a Tele man, all the Gibson L. Paul's necks other than the 1960 were just too fat for me. I'll never part with mine, even the re-issue's in Burst are rare now.
My frist LP was a classic with the slim taper neck - great guitars!
Jimmy Pages Burst is probably worth a few quid ... 😂🤣
Selmers is a bloody Mexican restaurant now n don’t start me on Denmark Street 😡😡🤘😎🤘
sad!
I wonder if the owner of the Beano burst is waiting for eric to past on for legal reasons ?
Hasn't Billy Gibbons already been offered $5 million for his "Pearly Gates" '59 burst?
If Joey B knows the whereabouts of Beano, doesn’t that make him an Accessory?
So if JOE B knows where it is, and they know who JOE B is, I think JOE B would have been given an opportunity to play THE BEANO BURST for sure !!! So hey, JOE B, was it incredible or what ???
Ramon, the SS in the Grimshaw guitar stood for short scale and not for semi solid (3:24) .
Yep The Shadows I'd say pretty much caused the guitar boom in Brit in the early '60s, they and the skiffle movement in the late '50s, both certainly hit hard here in NZ at the time. From what we know on the LPF Gil Southworth says that Beano's a '59. He claims to have it on good authority that it's 9 XXXX care of one of his guitar illuminati acquaintances, that's the latest as of about 3 years ago or so.
Pretty sure bonnamassa has said that he's seen it himself on the east coast in the states. Dirk ziff hoard perhaps?
would'nt that be something if the actual owner of the Beano Burst does'nt know that it is the actual Beano Burst! whoa, Spooky real Spooky...
What do you think Jimmy page's les Paul's go for? Also the tele and 1275
Would be worth a pretty penny also.
Thanks Bob and Ramon,what do you reckon to Bonamassa's claim that it's somewhere on the east coast of the States?
He’s really well connected so maybe he’s knows something. Or maybe he’s bought one of those stories too. So very hard to tell.
Paul's Burst is a '60.
I'd take Bloomfield's guitar over Eric's any day, and played Mike's...
Sorry Bob.......Erics burst would be far more desirable than Pauls lefty, for the reason that no important music has come from Pauls burst, his Hofner & Casino yes, but not his burst, it's a celebrity trophy piece, Erics missing burst was rarely seen but heard by millions with lasting memories.
I agree. I think Jimmy Page's burst might get close to Clapton's in auction price. Nobody associates Macca with a burst.
I would have to disagree at nine minutes in at the notion of a washed-out picture -That is, after all a tortoiseshell pickguard on the precision bass which is likely had its finish stripped…?
Ok. But if it’s not washed out it’s most likely a ‘58 plainburst, which doesn’t chime. Will we ever know!
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I guess not..!
(Maybe Eric was a bit more pasty-faced in those days?!)
Greeny is the real holy grail. If there were ever a guitar that had a magic spell, it’s that 59. It’s a shame Kirk Hammett now has it and is parading it around like a circus attraction... it’s even a bit of a shame that Gary Moore bullied it off Peter when he was mentally not with it and trashed it on the road.
How do you know that Gary Moore bullied the guitar off Peter Green? Bullied off or not, the fact that Gary Moore has owned that guitar certainly added a lot to the story of Greeny.
THE GUITARS CLAPTONS PLAYING IN THOSE PICS ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT GUITAR THE ONE AT 9;40 ID BET THATS A 59 OR 58 WHO KNOWS WHO HE BORROWED FROM? BEFORE HE BOUGHT 1
Guinness?
This guitar has probably been found and nobody can really identify it. Maybe people back in the 60s thought it was a 1960 because it had a skinny neck and they knew nothing of how to read a Gibson serial number perhaps? I’ve played a 59 with a thin neck. They all differ to an extent being made by hand.
-A HA ...but wha'bout Bloomy's sacred burst ...and was there more than one ?
...and and and. Your thoughts, please (?)
On the 1st Butterfierld album... that's what fish-hooked me on electrics...
Boy-oh-boy ...From then on, I wuzza teenage weirdo-plunking meister and there aint no cure forit ...no how & no way..........
I thought the guitar Bloomfield played on the 1st Butterfield album was his Telecaster? And he owned a P90 Les Paul prior to changing to the burst he played in the Flag.
@@fossilmatic As far as I know your histrionics are spot on
Macca’s Les Paul was a gift from Linda, I gather. I believe he’s had it for a fairly long time. I agree with you both, that Les Paul in the photo is definitely a 1960; the red is the giveaway as you well said.
When are you guys doing a history of Alvin Lee’s gear? 😉
One of my favorite solos of all time would be Peter Green with Fleetwood Mac at The Warehouse in New Orleans in 1970 on the song I’ve Got a Mind to Give Up Living.
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Thanks... A great comment and thanks for the suggestions and also thanks the Peter Green link!!!
I love Alvin lee. Met him, had a good natter not long before he left us. Love the early Decca albums.
Most famous lp no way, its peter greens lp most famous by miles.
You have a point
@@TheGuitarShow Thank you.
Polishing beards does not produce a shine...I know, I've tried it...hopeless....
If someone 'steals' the guitar from whoever has it, presumably it's not technically a 'crime'?
I also think you’d be surprised by Jimmy Pages #1 and #2... 58 and 59 respectively. If they ever came up for auction they would certainly sell for millions; easily the most iconic Les Pauls of all time. Talk about influential, Slash would have never played one of it weren’t for those and Gibson probably wouldn’t exist anymore.
This post is about as TH-cam as you could hope to get.
@@thelaird5033 What do you mean?
So sad that people (not you) know where and... WHAT is ('58/'59/'60)... and we can just speculate about that. For Sure Beano will rise, the sad thing is I think it'll be only when Eric had already passed away. This Said, I don't think Paul's Burst (it's a '60, 0 1182 if I recall correctly) could be worth more than Beano, or Page's N.1. For Sure is a "rarer" instrument, but not so important in the history of music and Paul had it only in mid '80s (if I'm correct, again). Clapton changed music with his Crank'd Bluesbreaker + 'Burst. This said, if Bonamassa said Beano it's a '59... it's a '59 for sure ;)
Agreed Vi
@@TheGuitarShow great content as usual!
@@toivonencresto thanks bro
What about Paul's stolen 1961 Hofner bass ?
Bob…?…
Can you say "Ultimate Provenance" ? $$$$
Everybody is mad a Eric Clapton right now, I think his strat got no bids at a recent auction because of a on stage drunken rant in the 70's
I did a fair number of stupid drunken things in the 70's, as well. Glad no one is still mad at me over them.That I know of, at least.
Political correctness is at a ridiculous point right now. I understand the concept of inclusion and being nice to everyone but nowadays anything you say will offend someone, even if you don’t mean it...🙄🙄🙄
@@vayabroder729 If you reads Clapton's autobiography he still holds a great deal of remorse for his Enoch Powell comments.
@@jltrem I did read his autobiography a few years ago. I don’t have a clear recollection but I believe he was drunk on stage at some point and blurted out racist comments (don’t know directed at who or what he said). For the most part Slowhand’s career has been based on Blues which is an African American art form. I’ve never seen anything but admiration and appreciation on his part for our black brethren. I believe this happened 50 years ago and he has since apologized for this incident; maybe several times. I believe continuing to penalize him for this incident is ridiculous and stupid.
@@vayabroder729 Had Clapton NOT made the multiple apologies and recognition of his full responsibilities of his racist statements and the wrongness and hypocrisy of them, I could understand the current criticism of him.
Do you both ascribe value and importance to the Beano by dint of it's disappearance? Granted, Beano was an important album. I mean I think he owned it for less than a year? And a 60 is not as storied as a 58 or 59. Page's 1 and 2 seem more important to me. Or Peter Greene's. Clapton's renown isn't what it was too in some circles. If it showed up and I had a billion dollars, I wouldn't want it just because it has the thinner neck.
please keep it comin' as it's a pro... wait a min- Wait a minute ...So very sorry ffolks... this poet/he's a slippery when wet...
You would be bolo#ed if its found and the police given back to Clapton.(who it belongs to)
Is it too much effort to say Sunburst or Honeyburst?
FFS!
Lord Robert, again with this miscegenation of the classes. We don't mind this peculiar relationship with your footman as long as it is ikept private. what are these videos good sir?? What kind of ideas will the hoi polloi take from such behavior?