To people that want to start their career in tech, software engineering is more than learning a programming language. We have many aspects that are not programming 1. Data Structures and Algorithms 2. UI/UX Design 3. Design Patterns 4. Programming Paradeims 5. Design Principles 7. System Design Architecture 8. Programming language So, you can see how even knowing a particular language doesn't make you a software engineer talkless of learning a no-code tool. No-code is just a way to start learning one of these 8 or even more software engineering concepts
low-code/no code has been the worse experience I ever had in software. I was obligated to use it for healthcare for 5y and putting apps into production and it's not reliable at all. you end up taking way more time to do something that could take you a week with normal code (plus the wrist pain you will get from all the drag and drops and clicks, etc). It does not scale, breaks easily between new updates, you will always be dependent on the vendor, you need to learn how their invented implementation logic works, and the tool developers don't even know what the tool can do at some point because the complexity will increase exponentially and stuff breaks in between. nothing will assure you these tools will still exist in 2-3y due to the complexity of use and maintenance and you will very likely lose your work. I call it more of a management dream (those who don't even touch it) and a developer nightmare. These things have a huge tech debt in the background. if you use it for simple things, like a personal page, tools such as Wix without much logic are fine or use WordPress, otherwise, you're just putting yourself in a hole of problems without necessity. Instead of investing time in learning these low code stuff, take the time to learn proper logic and programming, will be way more useful and better for you.
This is awesome! I freaking love that you made a video on No Code! I launched a business last year using Bubble and am currently working on developing my 2nd, a SaaS in the livestream space. It is so powerful once you learn enough it’s crazy!
No-code solutions should be avoided if your company gets any traction and you start gaining a considerable customer base. You wind up just creating a lot of technical debt and you rely way too heavily on tools that aren’t designed to scale well. Feel free to design a MVP in one to show the engineer what you want functionally and to get feedback, but you set yourself up for a ton of failure when they stop supporting their no code app, change pricing structure, or you can’t scale to your needs. Source: SE that has had to rewrite A LOT of no/low code solutions for customers into something real because they just don’t scale or work forever.
I remember with wise advice that said. Whatever it is, the process is something that is more valuable than we just see the result. Of course you can make a website only with very instant things, but if you build a website using programming it will be much better because you will receive many advantages than disadvantages.
As a Software Developer, Bubble looked super cool, but Sharetribe is not actually a "No Code" tool, it seems a lot more like a CMS (Content Management System) which is fine but its not in the same space.
Wow. Your sponsors are top notch big companies Sara. Congrats. In all reality, a startup cannot function without proper IT -to create new features, make custom adjustments and pivot fast if needed. However, for testing, iterations and small size MVP for the initial hundreds or even thousands of customers, no code solutions could work.
Min 10 in. This is cool. Wished I had this 10 years ago when I started my first app. Great validation. Getting to an Minimum Viable Product back then took me SO LONG. The potential for quick iteration is impressive. Can you export the raw code when one needs to move to a more customizable code base ?
Interesting idea with these NoCode technologies. However I think when comparing it to learning coding it is pretty much still the same though. It is more abstract but generally the same approach. You have to learn the interface of this technology (just like you need to learn a programming language) and then you also have to solve problems that you encounter when something doesn't work (also commonly known as debugging for programmers). I am all for this if people get to experiment with new stuff however you can't do everything with this. You are bound to this service. You also can't abstract your work and just reuse it quickly in a different service. Programming languages are more forgiving this way. You can call one programming language from another. You can also easily extend the default possibilties for the language of your choice. Anyhow, have fun with the stuff you want to work with. That was just my thought process about this topic.
you did a great job , if you want to be an entrepreneur then you should care too much about coding and care about iterating and producing mvp fast and then with the revenue or series A fund you can hire a team to take care of the stuff . you did a really great job , well done
Sarah you got me excited about no-code. I am an senior mobile software engineer and before this video HATED. The no code movement. Thanks for inspiring me to accept no-code
@@Triggre actually developers can use these tools very efficiently because of their technical background. In my opinion, these no-code tools are also for Developers but yeah! non-technical people can also do a lot but they will have to fuck their heads up for the initial months
Its good to keep in mind that with hosted no-code tools (like bubble) you are vendor locking yourself. And you are doing it hard! There are some self hosted options available, but they are all quite lacking for now. Wordpress (that btw. is from 2003 so no-code nothing new really) is still my #1 choice for all browser only stuff. Also a comment about programming languages. If you have to "learn" a language, you are not yet a programming master mind. Languages should be just tools like hammer and chisel.
I REALLY like this series Sara, it's enjoyable to watch and motivational to help all us creatives try to learn new things because that's what we all do all the time as creatives! haha good work Sara looking forward to the next challenge you do!
I’ve had a very ambitious app idea that I believe could help users and organizations on my mind for about 7-8 years. This video is the next step in me bringing it to life. … might need a tutor.
So glad to see you try out Bubble! I started 3 months ago and it took me at least 3 months to fully understand it. From everything from repeating groups to custom states (could not wrap my head around that for a while), it’s definitely a journey on its own. The tutorials from various channels like Coaching NoCode apps and Buildcamp help greatly!
Had to many ideas crash and burn on authentication or payment or (as you noticed in your adventures here) scheduling. But there's always something that's just "not good enough" with the Nocode tools. So I'm sticking with "real coding" for now.
i like that even that its nocode you still like any dev , most of our time just thinking how to solve the problems 😂 but this series is sooo good and you are insane gj ❤❤
Congratulations Sara! There is no magic! lol ... I've worked with some no code lowcode tools, and in true, it need some hours studying before start. The magic existis only after you understand how each solution works, and of course, a developer skill can help! I'm waiting for more 24 challengers videos!
Not sure if it’s the hair or makeup or no glasses or the lighting, but you look so much like your mom in this video. This is like a back to the future video when Marty meets his mom 20 years earlier.
Thank you for doing this. As a code monkey and manager of code monkeys, I've been curious about the "no code" stuff. My impression, given your experience, is that there's still a whole lot to learn, and the net benefit might be lost if you already know a particular set of tools. You're obviously very intelligent, and if you can't quickly grok a platform, it doesn't bode well for less qualified people. And of course, this doesn't even get into issues of scale, which admittedly, come way down the line and would be a good problem to have. By the way, I think the idea of a consultant marketplace for creatives is a solid idea beyond experimentation. Well done.
It kinda reminds me of what Dreamweaver could be if it wasn't abandoned by Adobe. Interesting though since I hate front end coding and would love a cheat sheet / program.
No/low-Code is good if you dont know any programming languages (and HTML,...) and there is a need to a plattform that supports the stuff you want. When you need to create own stuff inside of these service, you are probably better learning a bit of HTML, CSS and a JS Framework. It will be less painful (my Experience) And when a new Feature needs to be implemented (that isnt directly supported by the service... have fun rebuilding everything or increasing the complexity alot
Loved this! It’s so refreshing to see an established creator struggle to use the tools that we simpletons also struggle with. Keen to see how this project progresses!
Going to the site you achieved a lot in 24h especially considering what happened in the first 16h! At the moment you Terms of Service certainly is the Wild West 😅
i hate when people say "i can't code" instead of "i haven't learned to code yet". it's really not as hard to understand as non-programmers think it is. there's a variety of languages that can serve as basic introductions without trying to get into overwhelming lower level languages like c/c++
As a UX Designer that sometimes wishes he could just cut the engineering team out and just do it all himself, the no code movement is really interesting. Definitely going to check out Bubble. Also, congrats on the nuptials, Sara! 🎉
All no code things, need to be coded prior regardless. UX Designers, specially the really created ones of you know what I mean, can't code their ideas without code.
Form my experience with Low-Code: Dont do it. In detail: If you want to do anything more special then the plattform was directly made from. You are doomed and you need to dig even deeper in the topic instead of just code it by yourself. There will be restrictions from the plattform that are just weird. Its very frustrating! This can happen easily if a new feature is wanted that wasnt planned in the beginning. So you need to trick out the plattform or rebuild the whole service.
@@StevenAkinyemi Its the experience from developing with no/low code with a deep knowledge in modern web technoligies. These things can be nice for a fast MVP (when the service enables you to build it with no problem). When u want your product to stay over a long time and expect some changes und want to implement new features, dont think about low/no code. For me it isnt really something for production
is so true this tools low code sees good in the begining but when youd ned to scale , make debuging , o even when you have more user because the tools have a lot of trash code
I've been building a HUGE dataset that I wanted to turn into a little side project, I think you've just convinced me to stop struggling with SQL and php because that's the 'right' way and just get it done! 🍻
i never thought about this as a balance of getting started and getting done! as a med student theres so much i want to do in regards for studying but with all this content i just have to get something done
Im a developer and I feel like this no code tools will only work for very small businesses but if you are building a mega gaint business like spotify or microsoft you need to code 😂😂
$200/hr!?!? That’s so incredibly inaccessible for people looking to learn something. Nothing you could learn in 60 minutes is worth paying $200/hr. Not everyone is rich enough to throw that kind of expense around.
Jesus christ, 199$/hour? Am I consulting with a world class lawyer that's going to get me off the hook for a murder charge or am I learning blender? lmao
as a developer I am cringing, but as a person who is always learning new things this is actually a great idea/tool, good luck!
It’s a amazing tool. Been using it for years. I cringe needed. Full stack development with access to a bunch of code ready tools.
To people that want to start their career in tech, software engineering is more than learning a programming language. We have many aspects that are not programming
1. Data Structures and Algorithms
2. UI/UX Design
3. Design Patterns
4. Programming Paradeims
5. Design Principles
7. System Design Architecture
8. Programming language
So, you can see how even knowing a particular language doesn't make you a software engineer talkless of learning a no-code tool. No-code is just a way to start learning one of these 8 or even more software engineering concepts
paradigms*
low-code/no code has been the worse experience I ever had in software. I was obligated to use it for healthcare for 5y and putting apps into production and it's not reliable at all. you end up taking way more time to do something that could take you a week with normal code (plus the wrist pain you will get from all the drag and drops and clicks, etc). It does not scale, breaks easily between new updates, you will always be dependent on the vendor, you need to learn how their invented implementation logic works, and the tool developers don't even know what the tool can do at some point because the complexity will increase exponentially and stuff breaks in between. nothing will assure you these tools will still exist in 2-3y due to the complexity of use and maintenance and you will very likely lose your work. I call it more of a management dream (those who don't even touch it) and a developer nightmare. These things have a huge tech debt in the background. if you use it for simple things, like a personal page, tools such as Wix without much logic are fine or use WordPress, otherwise, you're just putting yourself in a hole of problems without necessity. Instead of investing time in learning these low code stuff, take the time to learn proper logic and programming, will be way more useful and better for you.
This is awesome! I freaking love that you made a video on No Code! I launched a business last year using Bubble and am currently working on developing my 2nd, a SaaS in the livestream space. It is so powerful once you learn enough it’s crazy!
No-code solutions should be avoided if your company gets any traction and you start gaining a considerable customer base. You wind up just creating a lot of technical debt and you rely way too heavily on tools that aren’t designed to scale well.
Feel free to design a MVP in one to show the engineer what you want functionally and to get feedback, but you set yourself up for a ton of failure when they stop supporting their no code app, change pricing structure, or you can’t scale to your needs.
Source: SE that has had to rewrite A LOT of no/low code solutions for customers into something real because they just don’t scale or work forever.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever built anything with nocode? What is your background?
4:30 the universal gesture of fixing tech issues 😂
I’d watch a whole season of these 24 hour challenges! They’re so well-paced and inspiring!!
Same!! They’re so good!
Absolutely loved this 🤩
We all had to go through this struggle!
Lovely. Very lovely!
And Sara, don’t sit in a dark room lit only by your monitor, it is bad for your eyes. Turn a light on!
I remember with wise advice that said. Whatever it is, the process is something that is more valuable than we just see the result.
Of course you can make a website only with very instant things, but if you build a website using programming it will be much better because you will receive many advantages than disadvantages.
Great idea and problem solving skills! That is exactly what programming is all about.
Bubble seems to be an awesome solution for initial testing and launching an MVP!
I would recommend framer over Webflow or Bubble for building a website or web app. Much easier learning curve and better layout engine
web app buble is bettr
@@shakthieswar7036 nah not even close
It is for free ?
@@marthablissgroup5863 yep. The only thing that’s paid is if you want to link to a purchased domain name
Big question, is it cheaper? Webflow is so expensive.
Love watching your videos
As a Software Developer, Bubble looked super cool, but Sharetribe is not actually a "No Code" tool, it seems a lot more like a CMS (Content Management System) which is fine but its not in the same space.
Hi William, the response from Software devs seems very mixed. Why do you like it?
Wow. Your sponsors are top notch big companies Sara. Congrats.
In all reality, a startup cannot function without proper IT -to create new features, make custom adjustments and pivot fast if needed.
However, for testing, iterations and small size MVP for the initial hundreds or even thousands of customers, no code solutions could work.
Min 10 in.
This is cool. Wished I had this 10 years ago when I started my first app. Great validation. Getting to an Minimum Viable Product back then took me SO LONG. The potential for quick iteration is impressive.
Can you export the raw code when one needs to move to a more customizable code base ?
We love this.
Interesting idea with these NoCode technologies. However I think when comparing it to learning coding it is pretty much still the same though. It is more abstract but generally the same approach. You have to learn the interface of this technology (just like you need to learn a programming language) and then you also have to solve problems that you encounter when something doesn't work (also commonly known as debugging for programmers). I am all for this if people get to experiment with new stuff however you can't do everything with this. You are bound to this service. You also can't abstract your work and just reuse it quickly in a different service. Programming languages are more forgiving this way. You can call one programming language from another. You can also easily extend the default possibilties for the language of your choice. Anyhow, have fun with the stuff you want to work with. That was just my thought process about this topic.
Absolutely love that you're doing so much cool stuff
This was my first video of yours. Super fun and inspiring! ✨
you did a great job , if you want to be an entrepreneur then you should care too much about coding and care about iterating and producing mvp fast and then with the revenue or series A fund you can hire a team to take care of the stuff .
you did a really great job , well done
Sarah you got me excited about no-code. I am an senior mobile software engineer and before this video HATED. The no code movement. Thanks for inspiring me to accept no-code
You should definitely give it a try - it enables non-technical people to develop things, but it also enables developers to build faster!
@@Triggre actually developers can use these tools very efficiently because of their technical background. In my opinion, these no-code tools are also for Developers but yeah! non-technical people can also do a lot but they will have to fuck their heads up for the initial months
5:56 "You can't just learn one language and you're good to go" I imagine javascript right now glared at you very hard.
JavaScript has left the chat 😂
Loved the thumbnail
The video too of course but you get me
Its good to keep in mind that with hosted no-code tools (like bubble) you are vendor locking yourself. And you are doing it hard! There are some self hosted options available, but they are all quite lacking for now. Wordpress (that btw. is from 2003 so no-code nothing new really) is still my #1 choice for all browser only stuff.
Also a comment about programming languages. If you have to "learn" a language, you are not yet a programming master mind. Languages should be just tools like hammer and chisel.
Wordpress vs Webflow? No comparison feature wise.
I REALLY like this series Sara, it's enjoyable to watch and motivational to help all us creatives try to learn new things because that's what we all do all the time as creatives! haha good work Sara looking forward to the next challenge you do!
What a great idea! Hoping CreativeTutor Takes off!
This is very exciting for everyone.
You are glowing!!
You are so committedted to these videos. So good. I learned something new, thank you. Congrats on your marriage.
This is just programming with extra steps and a subscription model
You’d love my new book Low-Code/No-Code: Citizen Developers and the Surprising Future of Business Applications.
very interesting :) this challenge deserved at least a month! great job 🥳
congratulations from a stranger in Florida!
I’ve had a very ambitious app idea that I believe could help users and organizations on my mind for about 7-8 years.
This video is the next step in me bringing it to life.
… might need a tutor.
Hey Sara I am Happy for you.
So glad to see you try out Bubble! I started 3 months ago and it took me at least 3 months to fully understand it. From everything from repeating groups to custom states (could not wrap my head around that for a while), it’s definitely a journey on its own. The tutorials from various channels like Coaching NoCode apps and Buildcamp help greatly!
I really needed this video.
You know I’ll hop on a Zoom call with you if you decide to tackle design as the next challenge!
Great video, learned a lot from this.
Nice to see a creator using Windows for a change as well. 😊
Had to many ideas crash and burn on authentication or payment or (as you noticed in your adventures here) scheduling. But there's always something that's just "not good enough" with the Nocode tools. So I'm sticking with "real coding" for now.
Holy crap Sara!! Seeing what you put into this is incredible! So proud to be one of the early tutors on Creative Tutor. Amazing job!
SARA YOU ARE A TIMEEE SAAVVEEERRRR!!!!!
Ok this startup sounds AWESOME I realy hope it catches on
Sarah is pushing me to look at bubble again and now I must build my idea.
love this, you did amazing! Bubble is so powerful!!
Great video! 💯
i like that even that its nocode you still like any dev , most of our time just thinking how to solve the problems 😂
but this series is sooo good and you are insane gj ❤❤
Mobirise is a good option too and they have an entire package for sale right now.
Good vlog. Have a good Thanksgiving, with the family.
Wow, a lot of work into this video alone! Great job! You know what though? Even a much bigger deal? Congrats to you and John for getting married!
THANK YOU
Damn, love this vid. Great to see how quick you can go from idea to product... Not a day but still 😅
Congrats on the wedding!!
Your explanation was perfect and I could recall the frustration I felt as well. Aaarrgghh…
These 24 hr channels are awesome!!
Wow, Qualcomm as a sponsor
Amazing! I`m gonna try that. :)
Sara i love your videos
keep it up sara you can do it😀😀😀
Bubble is cool definitely gonna check it out. But YO! CONGRATS ON GETTING MARRIED! WOOOOOO!
I loved the dramatic music….
Commendable effort!
Amazing content as always🔥❤️🔥💫
That's simply incredible! Well done! 👏
Congratulations Sara! There is no magic! lol ... I've worked with some no code lowcode tools, and in true, it need some hours studying before start. The magic existis only after you understand how each solution works, and of course, a developer skill can help! I'm waiting for more 24 challengers videos!
Not sure if it’s the hair or makeup or no glasses or the lighting, but you look so much like your mom in this video. This is like a back to the future video when Marty meets his mom 20 years earlier.
Kudos on the hustle. Well done.
Thank you for doing this. As a code monkey and manager of code monkeys, I've been curious about the "no code" stuff. My impression, given your experience, is that there's still a whole lot to learn, and the net benefit might be lost if you already know a particular set of tools. You're obviously very intelligent, and if you can't quickly grok a platform, it doesn't bode well for less qualified people. And of course, this doesn't even get into issues of scale, which admittedly, come way down the line and would be a good problem to have.
By the way, I think the idea of a consultant marketplace for creatives is a solid idea beyond experimentation. Well done.
It kinda reminds me of what Dreamweaver could be if it wasn't abandoned by Adobe. Interesting though since I hate front end coding and would love a cheat sheet / program.
@@MsSgent ironically, it’s still alive and on sale for black Friday.
No/low-Code is good if you dont know any programming languages (and HTML,...) and there is a need to a plattform that supports the stuff you want. When you need to create own stuff inside of these service, you are probably better learning a bit of HTML, CSS and a JS Framework. It will be less painful (my Experience)
And when a new Feature needs to be implemented (that isnt directly supported by the service... have fun rebuilding everything or increasing the complexity alot
Sara, What do u use as your daily driver, iPhone or Android? Mac or Windows?
Great video!
Sarah: You can't just use one language and you're good to go.
JS developers: Hold my beer.
I think you need another edit. Doesn't make sense.
Makes sense to me
@@uncleswell Yes, I read it again after a good night's sleep. I think I get his point now. Thanks.
Loved this! It’s so refreshing to see an established creator struggle to use the tools that we simpletons also struggle with. Keen to see how this project progresses!
You are truly inspiring us all and we cant be more proud really, way to go Sara ❣
Going to the site you achieved a lot in 24h especially considering what happened in the first 16h! At the moment you Terms of Service certainly is the Wild West 😅
On a side note, maybe this is just from TH-cam compression but I feel like the audio was a bit over compressed/sitorted in some areas.
Yes, please. I need an API tutor.
OH Oh moment!
i hate when people say "i can't code" instead of "i haven't learned to code yet". it's really not as hard to understand as non-programmers think it is. there's a variety of languages that can serve as basic introductions without trying to get into overwhelming lower level languages like c/c++
As a UX Designer that sometimes wishes he could just cut the engineering team out and just do it all himself, the no code movement is really interesting. Definitely going to check out Bubble. Also, congrats on the nuptials, Sara! 🎉
No-code doesn't work. No code only means you are paying someone else to abstract the coding process for you.
All no code things, need to be coded prior regardless. UX Designers, specially the really created ones of you know what I mean, can't code their ideas without code.
Form my experience with Low-Code: Dont do it.
In detail: If you want to do anything more special then the plattform was directly made from. You are doomed and you need to dig even deeper in the topic instead of just code it by yourself. There will be restrictions from the plattform that are just weird. Its very frustrating!
This can happen easily if a new feature is wanted that wasnt planned in the beginning. So you need to trick out the plattform or rebuild the whole service.
And here comes the no-code naysayers.
@@StevenAkinyemi Its the experience from developing with no/low code with a deep knowledge in modern web technoligies.
These things can be nice for a fast MVP (when the service enables you to build it with no problem).
When u want your product to stay over a long time and expect some changes und want to implement new features, dont think about low/no code. For me it isnt really something for production
Good to go! n more miles to go!
Awesome !! 🥳🤓✌👏
o.m.g. this was so awesome
As a software engineer, should I be scared? 😂
Yes 🤣
so much people thinkg what low code are goint to be succes but no somebody remember Dreamweaver,phoneGap
congrats!!
Bubble still have some learning curve, which will only reduce with future ai developments .
Anyone remember dreamweaver??? It’s all circling back to early 2000’s
I somewhat remember dreamweaver.
is so true this tools low code sees good in the begining but when youd ned to scale , make debuging , o even when you have more user because the tools have a lot of trash code
This is such a great video and journey! ❤
I found Blender much harder than Bubble! Far less intuitive, but incredible.
I've been building a HUGE dataset that I wanted to turn into a little side project, I think you've just convinced me to stop struggling with SQL and php because that's the 'right' way and just get it done! 🍻
i never thought about this as a balance of getting started and getting done! as a med student theres so much i want to do in regards for studying but with all this content i just have to get something done
Thanks Sara. This is exactly what i need right now :)
Im a developer and I feel like this no code tools will only work for very small businesses but if you are building a mega gaint business like spotify or microsoft you need to code 😂😂
Nocode is the future! Congrats on your new build 🎉
$200/hr!?!? That’s so incredibly inaccessible for people looking to learn something. Nothing you could learn in 60 minutes is worth paying $200/hr. Not everyone is rich enough to throw that kind of expense around.
Pivoting is practically the sidekick of any startups.
Jesus christ, 199$/hour? Am I consulting with a world class lawyer that's going to get me off the hook for a murder charge or am I learning blender? lmao
I'm wondering now if Bubble does mobile apps
What happened to the project at the end?