Many of you will have seen this before but after 2 years, I wanted it to resurface before I make some coming videos of ancient Egyptians astronomy as this explains the most famous Egyptian star map. Thanks for watching! Please like and subscribe and please leave a comment below. If you want to support the channel, I’m on Patreon at www.patreon.com/ancientarchitects
Dendera There are two zodiacs in Dendera (65 km north Luxor). One on the roof of the 2nd chapel (it is assumed older 80 years) and another long and rectangular in a wall of the pronaos (hall). It is believed that they should be studied jointly being in the same temple 1 (we are already with assumptions). Eric Aubourg and Sylvie Cauville 2 think that it is a capture of the sky in the moment of the construction of the chapels of Osiris (temple is of Hathor); the most accepted, defended by C. Leitz, Otto Neugebauer and R. Parker3, believe it is a constellation catalog derived from ancient Egyptian and Greek astronomy, without a definite time. One of the aspects in which Leitz-Neugenbauer fails is that some symbols are neither Greek nor astronomical, like Satet and Anuket who follow Sopdet (Sirius) and measure the floods of the Nile. The interpretation of Aubourg-Cauville fails in the «positions of the planets »correspond to hypsomata or exaltation (astrology, influence max.). The reason why the round roof zodiac is dated in 51 BC (7-Mar) it is because of the supposed association of two disc-shaped engravings in Pisces, which It is believed to mark an eclipse. The astronomical arguments are not clearly exposed. Dendera 2 Gavin White believes that the style of most constellation figures is Greek except 3-4 of Babylonian origin. Some think it is a copy of other mesopotamian zodiacs that have not reached us and that contains errors1. Others think that there are indications that there have been other temples in Denderah in 1500 BC and 22505. The cult of Hathor4 and the ‘Hieros Gamos’ (sexual fertility ritual among gods is dating back to 7000-3500) were spread all over the east for millennia3. The ecliptic of the zodiac is somewhat deformed (it is not circular). There are scientists who see a spiral starting from Cancer although it is not centered6. Some associate the spiral with precession8. According to Fomenko (and Morozov) there are no combinations of the figures Astronomical by the proven dating of the zodiac before the twelfth century (not shown results) and give dates 20-Mar-1185 for the round and 22-Apr-1168 for the length (rectangular). The one in the Minor Temple of Esna (Luxor) dated 6-May-1404 (this one if it fits in Stellarium; not Dendera's). It seems that he uses the exaltations of the planets as points where they should have see the stars (Saturn in Lib-Vir; Jupiter in Can-Gem; Mercury in Vir-Leo; Mars in Capr; Venus in Pis-Aqvr; Sun and Moon in Pis) [Others place Sun-Moon in Ari and Tau respectively]. Astronomer Burckhardt and engineer Coraboeuf who went with Napoleon to Dendera, they dated the zodiac in 2000 BC and the one from Esna in 6000 BC1. His argument is that one of Esna's zodiacs has Virgo at the end and that of Dendera Leo (suppose both point to the summer solstice. If the vernal equinox was Tau the summer solstice was Leo, and if spring began in Vir, summer in Gem). Yes one It starts in Tau (Dendera) and the other one in Gem (Esna) is what has precessed. Champollion argued that he could not date from before Alejandro then he found a cartridge that said "autocrator" (dictator). UlaGyula Priskin associates the marking of the zodiac with the myth of Osiris (although tells more about the myth of Horus and Seth-Typhon). In any case, the myth of Horus-Seth is a fight for succession (‘Titanomaquia’). Dendera - Assumptions Most analysis of the Dendera Temple and the Egyptian zodiacs were based on a stable solar system and star positions like the current one. The rest are interpretations of myths, figures and horoscope styles. If we can date astronomically from Egypt, it is Giza. The sphinx mark the vernal equinox of the Leo Era (that does not mean that the Sphinx or the pyramids were built then). That era is supposed to transition between Holocene-Pleistocene. If we consider valid (in broad strokes) radiometric dating up to that period and we accept the climatic graphs (ice cores) since Dryas, we have smaller and smaller reaches of Temperature until they stabilise after the Dark Age of Rome. If the previous pole was +/- in Hudson Bay (about 35 degrees of difference with Actual Pole) this would represent a little more than a zodiac sign (current zodiacal band would be displaced north). Dendera - Conclusions Given that the Sphinx must have been sculpted not after 6000 BC (erosion Schoch-Reader), and to set the Pyramids to the north and towards Thuban (it would be polar between 1200 and 4200 BC), they should have been made between 4200 and 6000. This is considering that the precession / nutation were the same as today! The causes of Nutations are partially unknown. And if the precession is due to lunisolar forces (and the Moon was not yet stable ...). The moon has a stabilizing effect on the axis of rotation 1. Other causes may lie in the planetary magnetic field 2. Thus, Thuban could be polar much earlier. If Thuban and the Sphinx can be placed in the Era of Cancer, perhaps that can explain its position in Dendera Zodiac.
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yet again you show why we all view and subscribe, its very refreshing to see someone put forth a theory, state the facts and evidence and come to a plausible and accurate conclusion, really proves that the future of archaeology is in good hands with you Matt.
The Dendera Temple is dated to the Ptolemaic period (though possibly built ontop of an earlier structure.) The Greek zodiac is based upon the Babylonian copy so there is no surprise that his zodiac is very similar to the Babylonian model. Of course the Assyrian conquest of egypt would have brought the Babylonian model over to egypt at an earlier time but I wonder what the Egyptians actually believed in the old kingdom before foreign invasions brought in difference symbolism.
lol. Where's the empirical evidence of the entire Babylonian star map depicted on a tablet or inside a temple?...and the carbon dated proof that this imaginary primary evidence is older than the Egyptian? This is the most embecelic thing I've ever heard in life.
Great subject which was very interesting and full of details. I believe you nailed the truth here. It is a lovely representation of the Babylonian one. Thank you for the review. This was an awesome presentation and I am looking forward to the new updates and viewpoints.
First of all I love that it’s Egyptian/Roman/Babylonian b/c culture! But it sure looks like a star chart. There is so much unbalanced about it, I think it’s a persons birth star chart. With different houses having lots some having less. It’s fascinating none the less. Beautiful video as always!
I had heard the Egyptians reworked the zodiac early on. In the zodiac presented I see "star cluster" near horn of Taurus the bull, which is obviously Pleaides, but not triangulum. I could be mistaken but this was a very important constellation for Babylonians, I doubt it would be left out.
I've been studying Hellenistic Astrology and it's history - which is fascinating and does touch on this topic. The Greeks were mostly influenced by the Babylonians, but also by the Egyptians as well in the formation of their astrological system. It is likely that the Ancient Egyptians did have their own version of astrology before the importation of the Babylonian zodiac. The decans seen on the Dendera Zodiac and known to be used for keeping time, are part of that older Egyptian system. The decans are still used in modern astrology. Unfortunately, though I have been looking for more information on the topic; I have not been able to find much about the decans - especially their use in an astrological fashion as opposed to a practical time keeping one. At least the only texts I have been able to come across are Hellenized astrological texts (and not much there), which of course, hybridized the Egyptians decans and used them in various ways. I hope if you find out more information, as I'd love to find out more on the subject.
It's actually the ancient cultures who don't know shit, Cosmopolitan discovered the Zodiacs, as a matter of fact, they created it, source? trust me bruh, I saw it in one of their published editions which claimed to be written by experts who probably build pyramids in the desert for fun when they have a break in office
The Babylon star chart may have been designed earlier during a previous civilization and time showing where the two paths cross - the ecliptic path and the celestial path. The ceiling of Dendera was not a copy but showed the crossing of the two paths during our time where the path crosses two different constellations. There is also a star chart in Kitora Tomb in Asuka Japan that shows those two paths crossing through their constellations. I don't believe the ceiling of Dendera is in error. The 12 constellations are on the ecliptic path and Orion, Pleiades and Sirius are on the Celestial path. Thomas O. Mills
There was a recent article that said the ancient egyptians used a binary star set in alpha draconis, Thuban as their north star. What struck me was they said it had 51.4 faces during 1 earth year and I was wondering if this is where they got the slope angle for the great pyramid (51degrees)? The night sky was more than just the heavens to ancient cultures. It was a means of navigating the world whether on land or sea as well as a clock.
Good video. I would like to point out that there is one minor error. The Water-bearing figure shown at 3.25 is actually the constellation Eridu and not Aquarius as stated in the commentary. Apart from that, its a very good presentation. All the best, Gavin White
Why are or were ancient civilizations so obsessed with constellations? the stars and the universe its self? I swear there is something more to all this we just cant see yet. Once again great video keep it up.
When God created the heavens he placed the constellations to tell a story. The ancient Jews call this the Mazzaroth. It was later corrupted and distorted by Satan and mankind. See attached. amos37.com/mazzaroth-study-part-1-of-3/
@@pamelasmitley3712 “god” isn’t real , Egyptians were black and they understood the universe aligned with black people bodies we created and gave other races the knowledge on constellations and universe itself , most of these alien entities that took over this earth comes from constellations and manifested themselves into the 3rd dimension
Huge Evans, The Origin Of The Zodiac, Adair Idris & the Star Maps Of Wales ( going bsck to Egypt) I'm sure you will enjoy his work much lve from Wales x
I think it's actually a combination of two older existing zodiacs as a way for the ptolemies to establish legitimacy that's why we see Libra symbols and other most definitely Greek symbols as well as Babylonian and Egyptian symbols
Well it's also my understanding that even the temple is in has certain features that are reminiscent of early Greek and Mycenaean architecture not of the Egyptian architecture found prevalently elsewhere
@@AncientArchitects oh and thank you I love the work you do I find ancient architecture and societies fascinating I've been able to read and write ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs as well as cuneiform since an early age
The same or similar thought came to mind as I looked for patterns in the imagery. What were the ideas that were eventually advanced and what process was undertaken to determine the accendancy of competing views may not be easily deduced from evidence, but it may be possible to resolve certain layers of the process if a hypothesis can be formulated to test for consistencies, but it would likely be a difficult challenge and impossible to resolve to the satisfaction of those that might decide to undertake that approach to decipherment. Thanks for the video. ..or at least for the moment it gave me to pause and consider something less pressing than modern challenges to life.
Good points. Rulers often used propaganda, including artwork, religion and architecture, to establish or support their legitimacy. Thanks for mentioning that, it is often overlooked.
I like your video, because you are heading for logical, realistic explanations instead of fantasty estimates, sold by alien-miracle-tales and conspiracy-theories. Thank you so much for this difference !
I love your work. Can you consider making a video on ancient Thrace ? thracians and their connection to Egypt ( or the speculations about it at least ) , their beautiful work with gold too.. it has been always interesting to me.
It almost seems like a small reflection would shine upon the corresponding sign at a high noon like a calender that uses the reflection of the sun or a focused beam through some sort of ritualistic device a staff perhaps?
Well done sir. There is a place for incorrectly dated sights and objects. As you so clearly point out this is NOT one of them. How amazing the Babylonian and Sumerian cultures were!
Many much older carvings are more precise, as you point out. This seems to be a theme through the ages. Massive precise stone work is a declining human inclination. I think that speaks volumes about humanity.
It is easy to think that when they were first working on the stone work they made the mistake of running out of room and had to improvise despite their mistakes rather than having to rework entirely after all it was made during the dynastic era.
@13:23 The side by side comparison is proportional enough to each other that it's almost certainly an artistic adaption of the elder. If it can be traced to the Ptolemaic period, with the effort that the Library of Alexandria put into acquiring foreign texts, and realizing copies of art are much more more likely to have been poorly copied for whoever sculpted this, and Babylon itself having been taken by Alexander (he actually died there in 323 BC), it seems very likely that they copied the artwork and transformed it. A lot cross deistic mystery cults existed between Egypt and the Greco-Romans, and was very much a common practice to unite conquered territories through such practices, so it being extended to Babylon makes me wonder why no mainstream peeps have pointed that out...
Also, it occurred to me, forgot to note above, the nature of the stone itself could have lent itself to some of the repositioning of some of the figures. Perhaps some of the figures were moved slightly just to take advantage of softer stone.
Champollion used coptic , when that didn't work he tried Hamatic Aramaic and then Hebrew. Welsh translates every word. And the other symbolic level of txt as it's multi layered. Each symbol denotes a letter and a meaning. The first letter of the Welsh word for the symbol gives it's letter. E.g Cleopatras cartouch reads : angle, reclining lion, corn/grain, slingshot/olive berries, Door, Bird/eagle, Fist, open mouth, bird/eagle. In Welsh: Congl, Llew/Lledogwyddo, Eden/Yden , Offeryn/Olewydd/Olifaidd, Porth , Adar/Aderyn, Dwrn, Rhoch, Adar/Aderyn. Spelling CLEOPADRA and the meaning of the symbols when put together read Abundantly Proud she the Pledged (promised) all powerful priest , proclaimed pledged to chide and threaten (govern) . Ref Wilson & Blackett Brittains hidden history
14 years ago I was researching the white shamans and Celts in the Americas and came accross the same calander in the Americas. At the same time I was also researching the Faraday Disk and over unity, even constructing one, at which point I noticed strange cars parked on my street seemingly watching me. I got spooked so to speek, and the good Lord pulled me away for something else.
the reason it seems out of order to the zodiac is because it is not a drawing or a map of the zodiac. it shows the positions of the planets and what house of the zodiac they appear in on that day. i'm still working on it but i'm getting around 600bc with a wide margin of error of over 100 yrs either way.
I must admit, you have a very convincing argument. It makes absolute sense! Thank you for all your work evaluating this, and sharing your ideas with us all! Much appreciated.
Remember to leave a 'like' before he says "Hello everybody". Got any news about the Roman Empire visiting the Isle Royale, there are over 10,000 copper ore mines, many dated to be about 5,000 years old. There are many theories and I'd like your take on the matter...
Matthew, have in mind your research will be used in the future to preserve our history, you're part of it! I always endorse your content which is great, since you've done an update to this video, how about doing the same with the Emerald Tablet's video from I suppose was around 1 year ago? and I recommend checking the Ken L Wheeler's translation to English, I see you have a good year ahead my friend, cheers!
Regarding the tower of Babel, in the Hebrew Genesis 11:4 reads, "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, *_and its top with the heavens;_* and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. - Meaning, the star map is painted on the ceiling like the ancient temples Denderah and Esneh, which came after the tower of Babel. God's Word is written in the stars and is called the 'mazzaroth' in Job 38:32 KJV. This is how God's Word was taught and handed down prior to Moses' scribework. This is why the stars were grouped and named into the constellations we all recognize, even among diverse civilizations. The tower of Babel builders were trying to keep God's Word in the stars as some sort of secret knowledge to use without God, instead of understanding it and teaching it to whoever wanted to learn about God's Word in the stars. Cain knew God's Word in the stars. He lived a long time and taught many people without understanding God's will and purpose for this temporary age of flesh.
At the center of the dendera zodiac is the symbol of the (hippopotamus/Apet), can you guess why she is at the center and also why did the ancient Egyptians chose the symbol of the hippopotamus?
@@gregb3443 I'm not sure if I interpret it correctly but I like the idea when they said Egypt mirrors the cosmos that they might mean the Nile is the milky way?
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I dont agree that Haapi is the position of Aquarius on the Dendera disk. Haapi is situated between Cancer and Lion, whereas Aquarius is between Fishes and Capricorn . Making Aquarius the man pouring water from both hands onto a fish .
Thanks Matt believe ur right to a point...donnie dark x provides link n comments to great video anyone interested n this subject should watch...the awan family closest we can get to Egyptian priest these days ,I hope to meet joseph(yo-seph) an take his tours n the not to distant future
At 11:05 the "wolf and plow" aka Draco, is show as the center of the zodiac. Why Draco? Because the zodiac is laid out as a projection centered around the north ecliptic pole, not the north celestial pole. (This also warps the zodiac out of being circular.)The ancient astronomers attempted to find the correlation between the heavens and the earth. The celestial pole represents continuity and solidity over a common life span, but they knew that for longer periods (hundreds and thousands of years) the sky revolved in such a way the the celestial pole may be occupied by varying stars. What is eternal in the sky? Only the ecliptic poles. The ecliptic pole follows the same arc across the sky no matter what stars may occupy the celestial pole, no matter what constellation may mark the equinox, no matter how the sky has moved in the precessional revolution. The ecliptic pole is the only constant point in the heavens. This knowledge was, I think, considered to be very sensitive and likely only explained to higher initiates. You can find this knowledge hidden in the Angkor Thom complex of Cambodia where Angkor Wat is merely one temple. The complex represents the stars of Draco, and while Angkor Wat is the largest temple, the roads and connections are all based around a temple marking the north ecliptic pole. The name of that temple? "Victory Mountain".
Makes sense, the artist may have only had an imperfect drawing to go off of as well to try to replicate it. I mean it’s not like they could just snap a picture. Drawing is hard, carving is hard and certainly wasn’t the most common skill back then.
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Many of you will have seen this before but after 2 years, I wanted it to resurface before I make some coming videos of ancient Egyptians astronomy as this explains the most famous Egyptian star map. Thanks for watching! Please like and subscribe and please leave a comment below. If you want to support the channel, I’m on Patreon at www.patreon.com/ancientarchitects
You are aware that the Babylonians descended from the fisher kings of Egypt, right?
congrats on channel success :)
Did you see a link for a free pdf?
Last time I was this early, Hawass was still lyin his ass off
I really like the changes you have made to your voicing (tone, inflection, etc.).
Dendera
There are two zodiacs in Dendera (65 km north Luxor). One on the roof of the 2nd chapel (it is assumed older 80 years) and another long and rectangular in a wall of the pronaos (hall). It is believed that they should be studied jointly being in the same temple 1 (we are already with assumptions). Eric Aubourg and Sylvie Cauville 2 think that it is a capture of the sky in the moment of the construction of the chapels of Osiris (temple is of Hathor); the most accepted, defended by C. Leitz, Otto Neugebauer and R. Parker3, believe it is a constellation catalog derived from ancient Egyptian and Greek astronomy, without a definite time. One of the aspects in which Leitz-Neugenbauer fails is that some symbols are neither Greek nor astronomical, like Satet and Anuket who follow Sopdet (Sirius) and measure the floods of the Nile.
The interpretation of Aubourg-Cauville fails in the «positions of the planets »correspond to hypsomata or exaltation (astrology, influence max.). The reason why the round roof zodiac is dated in 51 BC (7-Mar) it is because of the supposed association of two disc-shaped engravings in Pisces, which It is believed to mark an eclipse. The astronomical arguments are not clearly exposed.
Dendera 2
Gavin White believes that the style of most constellation figures is Greek except 3-4 of Babylonian origin. Some think it is a copy of
other mesopotamian zodiacs that have not reached us and that contains errors1. Others think that there are indications that there have been other temples in Denderah in 1500 BC and 22505. The cult of Hathor4 and the ‘Hieros Gamos’ (sexual fertility ritual among gods is
dating back to 7000-3500) were spread all over the east for millennia3. The ecliptic of the zodiac is somewhat deformed (it is not circular). There are scientists who see a spiral starting from Cancer although it is not centered6. Some associate the spiral with precession8.
According to Fomenko (and Morozov) there are no combinations of the figures Astronomical by the proven dating of the zodiac before the twelfth century (not shown results) and give dates 20-Mar-1185 for the round and 22-Apr-1168 for the length (rectangular). The one in the Minor Temple of Esna (Luxor) dated 6-May-1404 (this one if it fits in Stellarium; not Dendera's).
It seems that he uses the exaltations of the planets as points where they should have see the stars (Saturn in Lib-Vir; Jupiter in Can-Gem; Mercury in Vir-Leo; Mars in Capr; Venus in Pis-Aqvr; Sun and Moon in Pis) [Others place Sun-Moon in Ari and Tau respectively].
Astronomer Burckhardt and engineer Coraboeuf who went with Napoleon to Dendera, they dated the zodiac in 2000 BC and the one from Esna in 6000 BC1. His argument is that one of Esna's zodiacs has Virgo at the end and that of Dendera Leo (suppose both point to the summer solstice. If the vernal equinox was Tau the summer solstice was Leo, and if spring began in Vir, summer in Gem). Yes one
It starts in Tau (Dendera) and the other one in Gem (Esna) is what has precessed. Champollion argued that he could not date from before Alejandro then he found a cartridge that said "autocrator" (dictator). UlaGyula Priskin associates the marking of the zodiac with the myth of Osiris (although tells more about the myth of Horus and Seth-Typhon). In any case, the myth of Horus-Seth is a fight for succession (‘Titanomaquia’).
Dendera - Assumptions
Most analysis of the Dendera Temple and the Egyptian zodiacs were based on a stable solar system and star positions like the current one. The rest are interpretations of myths, figures and horoscope styles. If we can date astronomically from Egypt, it is Giza. The sphinx
mark the vernal equinox of the Leo Era (that does not mean that the Sphinx or the pyramids were built then). That era is supposed to transition between Holocene-Pleistocene.
If we consider valid (in broad strokes) radiometric dating up to that period and we accept the climatic graphs (ice cores) since Dryas,
we have smaller and smaller reaches of Temperature until they stabilise after the Dark Age of Rome.
If the previous pole was +/- in Hudson Bay (about 35 degrees of difference with Actual Pole) this would represent a little more than a zodiac sign (current zodiacal band would be displaced north).
Dendera - Conclusions
Given that the Sphinx must have been sculpted not after 6000 BC (erosion Schoch-Reader), and to set the Pyramids to the north and towards Thuban (it would be polar between 1200 and 4200 BC), they should have been made between 4200 and 6000. This is considering that the precession / nutation were the same as today! The causes of Nutations are partially unknown. And if the precession is due to lunisolar forces (and the Moon was not yet stable ...). The moon has a stabilizing effect on the axis of rotation 1. Other causes may lie in the planetary magnetic field 2. Thus, Thuban could be polar much earlier. If Thuban and the Sphinx can be placed in the Era of Cancer, perhaps that can explain its position in Dendera Zodiac.
This one comment was, by far, better developed than the whole video. Congrats, mate.
good work as always. and youre improving your delivery.... awesome, dude
Thanks for watching
Benjamin Harman No, unfortunately, his delivery has gotten worse over time. This video was recorded two years ago.
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In my opinion this is your best presentation yet, it’s noticeable that you’ve been working on your delivery! Great job on this
Always look forward to and love your content man!
It doesn't matter what you upload, it is always very interesting. One of my favourite channels.
Thank you
yet again you show why we all view and subscribe, its very refreshing to see someone put forth a theory, state the facts and evidence and come to a plausible and accurate conclusion, really proves that the future of archaeology is in good hands with you Matt.
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The Dendera Temple is dated to the Ptolemaic period (though possibly built ontop of an earlier structure.) The Greek zodiac is based upon the Babylonian copy so there is no surprise that his zodiac is very similar to the Babylonian model. Of course the Assyrian conquest of egypt would have brought the Babylonian model over to egypt at an earlier time but I wonder what the Egyptians actually believed in the old kingdom before foreign invasions brought in difference symbolism.
Well their minds were clearly chattering just look at the walls
@@galenflynn398 - Love the phrasing. Well said.
Go watch “young pharaoh” vids on TH-cam
lol. Where's the empirical evidence of the entire Babylonian star map depicted on a tablet or inside a temple?...and the carbon dated proof that this imaginary primary evidence is older than the Egyptian? This is the most embecelic thing I've ever heard in life.
It originated in Egypt...let's just stop
I’m looking forward to the Zep Tepi review since your views have evolved quite a bit since last video 👍🏼
2:32 the 4 standing figure's represent the 4 cardinal directions N,S,E,W 👀
Another fascinating video!!
Great job and thank you!!
Great subject which was very interesting and full of details. I believe you nailed the truth here. It is a lovely representation of the Babylonian one. Thank you for the review. This was an awesome presentation and I am looking forward to the new updates and viewpoints.
Awesome...and I remember watching your original vid pal...
Great work Mr. Popular...lol..
Thanks mate
First of all I love that it’s Egyptian/Roman/Babylonian b/c culture! But it sure looks like a star chart. There is so much unbalanced about it, I think it’s a persons birth star chart. With different houses having lots some having less. It’s fascinating none the less. Beautiful video as always!
Love your work!
This video was also beautifully presented - well done!
Thank you.
I had heard the Egyptians reworked the zodiac early on. In the zodiac presented I see "star cluster" near horn of Taurus the bull, which is obviously Pleaides, but not triangulum. I could be mistaken but this was a very important constellation for Babylonians, I doubt it would be left out.
Great work as usual buddy. We love your vids.
I've been studying Hellenistic Astrology and it's history - which is fascinating and does touch on this topic. The Greeks were mostly influenced by the Babylonians, but also by the Egyptians as well in the formation of their astrological system. It is likely that the Ancient Egyptians did have their own version of astrology before the importation of the Babylonian zodiac. The decans seen on the Dendera Zodiac and known to be used for keeping time, are part of that older Egyptian system. The decans are still used in modern astrology. Unfortunately, though I have been looking for more information on the topic; I have not been able to find much about the decans - especially their use in an astrological fashion as opposed to a practical time keeping one. At least the only texts I have been able to come across are Hellenized astrological texts (and not much there), which of course, hybridized the Egyptians decans and used them in various ways. I hope if you find out more information, as I'd love to find out more on the subject.
Matt, recalled well the video you uploaded 2 years ago, it was quite complete, this review was very refreshing. Thank you.
Thanks for watching, again!
The ancient ones at the Cosmopolitan magazine have a very different interpretation of the Zodiacs. 🤔
It's actually the ancient cultures who don't know shit, Cosmopolitan discovered the Zodiacs, as a matter of fact, they created it, source? trust me bruh, I saw it in one of their published editions which claimed to be written by experts who probably build pyramids in the desert for fun when they have a break in office
Copy or not copy from past or different civilization still gorgeous piece of art,would love to have that on my ceiling in the bedroom.
It’s beautiful
Fascinating, I always wondered why the Dendera Zodiac looked so messy when ancient Egyptian art was normally so heavily orderly.
fascinating as always!!!
7:02 top left in the circle. Thats Bigfoot from the Patterson footage.
G The Entity bro that is a fucking Bigfoot if I have ever seen one.... wow nice observation
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Thanks - happy new year!
The Babylon star chart may have been designed earlier during a previous civilization and time showing where the two paths cross - the ecliptic path and the celestial path. The ceiling of Dendera was not a copy but showed the crossing of the two paths during our time where the path crosses two different constellations. There is also a star chart in Kitora Tomb in Asuka Japan that shows those two paths crossing through their constellations. I don't believe the ceiling of Dendera is in error. The 12 constellations are on the ecliptic path and Orion, Pleiades and Sirius are on the Celestial path. Thomas O. Mills
Just noticed the 300k. 👍 Very good breakdown with common sense.
Thank you
There was a recent article that said the ancient egyptians used a binary star set in alpha draconis, Thuban as their north star. What struck me was they said it had 51.4 faces during 1 earth year and I was wondering if this is where they got the slope angle for the great pyramid (51degrees)? The night sky was more than just the heavens to ancient cultures. It was a means of navigating the world whether on land or sea as well as a clock.
Good video. I would like to point out that there is one minor error. The Water-bearing figure shown at 3.25 is actually the constellation Eridu and not Aquarius as stated in the commentary. Apart from that, its a very good presentation. All the best, Gavin White
Always bringin that blazing light of truth. 👍
Great content as always, thanks a lot for your efforts sir. Also delivery is getting better !!
Return to old diction, softer and more pleasant.
Great work! 👏🏼🙏
Awesome, as always💥👊❤💯👌🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍Very best wishes & a Happy New Year to you&yours;looking forward to what 2020 will bring.via your excellent channel👋🌟✌
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Why are or were ancient civilizations so obsessed with constellations? the stars and the universe its self? I swear there is something more to all this we just cant see yet. Once again great video keep it up.
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@@AncientArchitects Thanks for the great videos.
When God created the heavens he placed the constellations to tell a story. The ancient Jews call this the Mazzaroth. It was later corrupted and distorted by Satan and mankind. See attached.
amos37.com/mazzaroth-study-part-1-of-3/
@@chronicbob such a good point! Makes me think of the 'music of the spheres'
@@pamelasmitley3712 “god” isn’t real , Egyptians were black and they understood the universe aligned with black people bodies we created and gave other races the knowledge on constellations and universe itself , most of these alien entities that took over this earth comes from constellations and manifested themselves into the 3rd dimension
Huge Evans, The Origin Of The Zodiac, Adair Idris & the Star Maps Of Wales ( going bsck to Egypt) I'm sure you will enjoy his work much lve from Wales x
Nice stuff. I never believed anything negative I ever said about you!
A brilliant deduction!! Thank you 🌟
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I really really do like your stuff. Do you do tours to Egypt? Would like to join
Excellent! I was barely aware of the D. Zodiac. Thanks again for your analysis.
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I think it's actually a combination of two older existing zodiacs as a way for the ptolemies to establish legitimacy that's why we see Libra symbols and other most definitely Greek symbols as well as Babylonian and Egyptian symbols
Good comment. Cheers!
Well it's also my understanding that even the temple is in has certain features that are reminiscent of early Greek and Mycenaean architecture not of the Egyptian architecture found prevalently elsewhere
@@AncientArchitects oh and thank you I love the work you do I find ancient architecture and societies fascinating I've been able to read and write ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs as well as cuneiform since an early age
The same or similar thought came to mind as I looked for patterns in the imagery. What were the ideas that were eventually advanced and what process was undertaken to determine the accendancy of competing views may not be easily deduced from evidence, but it may be possible to resolve certain layers of the process if a hypothesis can be formulated to test for consistencies, but it would likely be a difficult challenge and impossible to resolve to the satisfaction of those that might decide to undertake that approach to decipherment.
Thanks for the video. ..or at least for the moment it gave me to pause and consider something less pressing than modern challenges to life.
Good points. Rulers often used propaganda, including artwork, religion and architecture, to establish or support their legitimacy. Thanks for mentioning that, it is often overlooked.
I like your video, because you are heading for logical, realistic explanations instead of fantasty estimates, sold by alien-miracle-tales and conspiracy-theories.
Thank you so much for this difference !
I love your work. Can you consider making a video on ancient Thrace ? thracians and their connection to Egypt ( or the speculations about it at least ) , their beautiful work with gold too.. it has been always interesting to me.
Excellent so interesting. Thanks Matt.
Thanks Maureen
Thats strange. Norse mythology also ties the destruction of this era to a wolf, Fenrir.
Yes!!! Great reference! Thanks
Congratulation to 314.000 subscribers - one-hundret-thousand times Pi - the good old number of the circle
Edit: Thank you for this great video!
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This is a much better explanation of the “actual” Babylonian zodiac. 👌🏿👍🏿😎🌴
Outstanding.
Its your in depth analysis of this type of topic that blows me away.
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It almost seems like a small reflection would shine upon the corresponding sign at a high noon like a calender that uses the reflection of the sun or a focused beam through some sort of ritualistic device a staff perhaps?
You need to look at the Thunderbolts Projects work on this!
Pisces too in green. Still a wonderful work.
Well done sir. There is a place for incorrectly dated sights and objects. As you so clearly point out this is NOT one of them. How amazing the Babylonian and Sumerian cultures were!
Well said Sir.
Have you fully excluded the possibility that the eccentric skew is related to the variation in the length of night/day throughout the year?
Nice, a Sunday afternoon AA
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Thanks for the thorough analysis of the Dendera Zodiac. It’s liked unraveling the puzzle.
Ein super information uber Ancient sumarian zodiac.
Many much older carvings are more precise, as you point out. This seems to be a theme through the ages. Massive precise stone work is a declining human inclination. I think that speaks volumes about humanity.
Wouldnt those falcon headed figure be representing Horus which could also be the hours(horus) of the day cycle?
I remember when Jimmy from Bright Insight sent me here years ago. Where's Jimmy?
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It is easy to think that when they were first working on the stone work they made the mistake of running out of room and had to improvise despite their mistakes rather than having to rework entirely after all it was made during the dynastic era.
@13:23 The side by side comparison is proportional enough to each other that it's almost certainly an artistic adaption of the elder. If it can be traced to the Ptolemaic period, with the effort that the Library of Alexandria put into acquiring foreign texts, and realizing copies of art are much more more likely to have been poorly copied for whoever sculpted this, and Babylon itself having been taken by Alexander (he actually died there in 323 BC), it seems very likely that they copied the artwork and transformed it. A lot cross deistic mystery cults existed between Egypt and the Greco-Romans, and was very much a common practice to unite conquered territories through such practices, so it being extended to Babylon makes me wonder why no mainstream peeps have pointed that out...
Also, it occurred to me, forgot to note above, the nature of the stone itself could have lent itself to some of the repositioning of some of the figures. Perhaps some of the figures were moved slightly just to take advantage of softer stone.
Excellent video, Matt! Thanks! You went into a lot more detail than I'd seen before and cleared up another old mystery! Keep it up!
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What are the 4 houses and how do they play into this ?
I love all your Egypt videos, watch them over and over and always learn something. Let me know if you ever go to Egypt to do live videos.
Doesn't Gobekli Tepe have animals on it symbolizing the constellations?
Somehow I read "The Daedra Zodiac" on the title....
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Interesting. Thank you for an honest opinion on this issue. Keep up the good work. Take care & cheers!
But what about the Zoroastrians? Why do we ignore their history and stance in all of this?
Highly compelling!
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Follow that channel as well..amazing!
Very well done. A big round of applause.
Has anyone tried to do a starmap from the skies of the kingdom of Punt? would there been any influence on Egyptian myth
Champollion used coptic , when that didn't work he tried Hamatic Aramaic and then Hebrew. Welsh translates every word. And the other symbolic level of txt as it's multi layered. Each symbol denotes a letter and a meaning. The first letter of the Welsh word for the symbol gives it's letter. E.g Cleopatras cartouch reads : angle, reclining lion, corn/grain, slingshot/olive berries, Door, Bird/eagle, Fist, open mouth, bird/eagle.
In Welsh: Congl, Llew/Lledogwyddo, Eden/Yden , Offeryn/Olewydd/Olifaidd, Porth , Adar/Aderyn, Dwrn, Rhoch, Adar/Aderyn. Spelling CLEOPADRA and the meaning of the symbols when put together read Abundantly Proud she the Pledged (promised) all powerful priest , proclaimed pledged to chide and threaten (govern) . Ref Wilson & Blackett Brittains hidden history
14 years ago I was researching the white shamans and Celts in the Americas and came accross the same calander in the Americas. At the same time I was also researching the Faraday Disk and over unity, even constructing one, at which point I noticed strange cars parked on my street seemingly watching me. I got spooked so to speek, and the good Lord pulled me away for something else.
That black?on the zodiac is it from flames?from holding up a torch to it? This is so amazing now I wish it could help the planet out of this slump!
the reason it seems out of order to the zodiac is because it is not a drawing or a map of the zodiac. it shows the positions of the planets and what house of the zodiac they appear in on that day. i'm still working on it but i'm getting around 600bc with a wide margin of error of over 100 yrs either way.
I'm glad they finally made clocks and watches
Fomenko dates the Round Zodiac of Dendera to March 20, 1185 A.D.
I must admit, you have a very convincing argument. It makes absolute sense! Thank you for all your work evaluating this, and sharing your ideas with us all! Much appreciated.
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Got any news about the Roman Empire visiting the Isle Royale, there are over 10,000 copper ore mines, many dated to be about 5,000 years old. There are many theories and I'd like your take on the matter...
Matthew, have in mind your research will be used in the future to preserve our history, you're part of it! I always endorse your content which is great, since you've done an update to this video, how about doing the same with the Emerald Tablet's video from I suppose was around 1 year ago? and I recommend checking the Ken L Wheeler's translation to English, I see you have a good year ahead my friend, cheers!
I think I do need to scrap that video and start again - I think I got a lot wrong on the emerald tablets - good reminder! Cheers
Regarding the tower of Babel, in the Hebrew Genesis 11:4 reads, "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, *_and its top with the heavens;_* and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. - Meaning, the star map is painted on the ceiling like the ancient temples Denderah and Esneh, which came after the tower of Babel. God's Word is written in the stars and is called the 'mazzaroth' in Job 38:32 KJV. This is how God's Word was taught and handed down prior to Moses' scribework. This is why the stars were grouped and named into the constellations we all recognize, even among diverse civilizations. The tower of Babel builders were trying to keep God's Word in the stars as some sort of secret knowledge to use without God, instead of understanding it and teaching it to whoever wanted to learn about God's Word in the stars. Cain knew God's Word in the stars. He lived a long time and taught many people without understanding God's will and purpose for this temporary age of flesh.
At the center of the dendera zodiac is the symbol of the (hippopotamus/Apet), can you guess why she is at the center and also why did the ancient Egyptians chose the symbol of the hippopotamus?
The nile?
@@grantaum9677 Yes! that is correct.
@@gregb3443 awesome. I love their way of thinking. I heard they used the Ibis symbol due to it's regular footsteps, like a symbol of measuring
@@gregb3443 I'm not sure if I interpret it correctly but I like the idea when they said Egypt mirrors the cosmos that they might mean the Nile is the milky way?
@@grantaum9677 likewise. indeed, 1 cubic
Sorry I'm late guys but was in the middle of a documentary with professor Alice Roberts.
Really like your work matt and never miss a vid..... But if I have to pick between you and professor Alice Roberts, we'll sorry mate but your not even in the same ball park. She is a babe😍😍😍😍
It’s fine... 😢
So many believe this is ancient een now and now you have shown the truth!
Thanks for your insight and expertise based on information, historical knowledge and thorough research. 😃
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You must include the 13th sign of Ophiucus
I dont agree that Haapi is the position of Aquarius on the Dendera disk. Haapi is situated between Cancer and Lion, whereas Aquarius is between Fishes and Capricorn . Making Aquarius the man pouring water from both hands onto a fish .
Thanks Matt believe ur right to a point...donnie dark x provides link n comments to great video anyone interested n this subject should watch...the awan family closest we can get to Egyptian priest these days ,I hope to meet joseph(yo-seph) an take his tours n the not to distant future
At 11:05 the "wolf and plow" aka Draco, is show as the center of the zodiac. Why Draco? Because the zodiac is laid out as a projection centered around the north ecliptic pole, not the north celestial pole. (This also warps the zodiac out of being circular.)The ancient astronomers attempted to find the correlation between the heavens and the earth. The celestial pole represents continuity and solidity over a common life span, but they knew that for longer periods (hundreds and thousands of years) the sky revolved in such a way the the celestial pole may be occupied by varying stars. What is eternal in the sky? Only the ecliptic poles. The ecliptic pole follows the same arc across the sky no matter what stars may occupy the celestial pole, no matter what constellation may mark the equinox, no matter how the sky has moved in the precessional revolution. The ecliptic pole is the only constant point in the heavens. This knowledge was, I think, considered to be very sensitive and likely only explained to higher initiates.
You can find this knowledge hidden in the Angkor Thom complex of Cambodia where Angkor Wat is merely one temple. The complex represents the stars of Draco, and while Angkor Wat is the largest temple, the roads and connections are all based around a temple marking the north ecliptic pole. The name of that temple? "Victory Mountain".
Amazing
Simple explanation of the distortion of the signs: Same constellations, seen from a different planet :)
Does anybody else see the similarities to the Phaistos Disc of the minoan culture? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc
I’ll take a look
Makes sense, the artist may have only had an imperfect drawing to go off of as well to try to replicate it. I mean it’s not like they could just snap a picture. Drawing is hard, carving is hard and certainly wasn’t the most common skill back then.
Yep - agreed!
No mention of the big ol' monster with a sword right smack in the middle of the thing, huh?
Love the zodiac and it’s origins Great video