To sum it up. The problem with a ECOTI is it's limited to night time use. Additionally, if your NODs go out, your ECOTI is useless. A dedicated thermal is a 24/7 device and works even if you NODs do not. A dedicated thermal usually has a further detection range as well. Not to mention having the ability to hand a thermal someone else if the situation dictates. For most people, a dedicated thermal will give them the most flexibility.
To add to that.. Save up and get a good thermal. I have a FLIR LSX and I wish I would've gotten a better one. It's good enough, but any lower quality that that would suck. Ps NVGs rock!
Pitch: a smartwatch screen reflected for a heads-up display transparent lens for one of the tubes. can see a compass, map, speech to text messages, all hands free. yall should work with an Android device or app developer to sort out the screen specs to display correctly.
But wtf? According to your site the handheld is only available to LE and the military… The only other site I found it on had it listed at almost $12,000, and you were talking like it was cheaper than ECOTI?
The Insight MTM has been discontinued, but you can find them pretty regularly on the second hand market for $3,000-$3,500. Cheapest I’ve seen is $2,800, making it significantly cheaper than a AN/PAS-29B ECOTI.
FWIW networked warfighting gear sounds cool as fuck....until you realize it's emitting an electronic signature then it's a lot less cool for a multitude of reasons. That's just my opinion, and the opinion of many with whom I served.
The whole concept will be useless vs a near peer enemy, it's a day dream if you think they can run operations then like they did in Afghanistan , Iraq , or Syria. There will be no such thing on air raids or airborne operations, and sure as hell won't OWN the night
Ah yes, the lack of IR discipline problem all over again. I wonder how long it took the military to realize that insurgents could use shitty camcorders to see their IR light show. Probably as long as itll take them to realize that every local nerd with a couple of SDRs can DF their constantly transmitting ATAK location pings.
To sum it up. The problem with a ECOTI is it's limited to night time use. Additionally, if your NODs go out, your ECOTI is useless. A dedicated thermal is a 24/7 device and works even if you NODs do not. A dedicated thermal usually has a further detection range as well. Not to mention having the ability to hand a thermal someone else if the situation dictates.
For most people, a dedicated thermal will give them the most flexibility.
You can get an eyecup adapter for the coti to use as a handheld. Still pales in comparison to the L3 mtm unit.
To add to that.. Save up and get a good thermal. I have a FLIR LSX and I wish I would've gotten a better one.
It's good enough, but any lower quality that that would suck.
Ps NVGs rock!
@@Jo-xk3pk which one you recommend?
@@AmazonWebService98 The LSXR is much better.
I haven't looked into the other brands enough to know which ones are good options
@@Jo-xk3pk maybe at the end of the year , i would only use it inside attics for work lol
PVS-14 and a dedicated thermal unit in a bino setup
THIS is funny. THIS is a great explanation of both capabilities.
Any videos showing thermal handheld in front of a nvd tube?
Thermal cant look trough glass
That’s why I said in front
What is the effective detection range with the ECOTI/TAD?
PSA, tether your Ecoti.
I honestly never thought about that all these years using it. You may have saved me from an expensive mistake.
What model handheld is that?
L3 Insight MTM
Pitch: a smartwatch screen reflected for a heads-up display transparent lens for one of the tubes. can see a compass, map, speech to text messages, all hands free. yall should work with an Android device or app developer to sort out the screen specs to display correctly.
But wtf?
According to your site the handheld is only available to LE and the military… The only other site I found it on had it listed at almost $12,000, and you were talking like it was cheaper than ECOTI?
The Insight MTM has been discontinued, but you can find them pretty regularly on the second hand market for $3,000-$3,500. Cheapest I’ve seen is $2,800, making it significantly cheaper than a AN/PAS-29B ECOTI.
@Emmanuel Goldstein likely none. Welcome to the gray market. Same deal with full power IR lasers.
@Emmanuel Goldstein Goldstein... lol
FWIW networked warfighting gear sounds cool as fuck....until you realize it's emitting an electronic signature then it's a lot less cool for a multitude of reasons. That's just my opinion, and the opinion of many with whom I served.
The whole concept will be useless vs a near peer enemy, it's a day dream if you think they can run operations then like they did in Afghanistan , Iraq , or Syria.
There will be no such thing on air raids or airborne operations, and sure as hell won't OWN the night
@Andrew Onymous why ? Airborne ops far away from any active location . No such thing as dropping troops behind enemy lines vs peer enemy
Ah yes, the lack of IR discipline problem all over again. I wonder how long it took the military to realize that insurgents could use shitty camcorders to see their IR light show. Probably as long as itll take them to realize that every local nerd with a couple of SDRs can DF their constantly transmitting ATAK location pings.
Yes, but for airsoft…😏
@Emmanuel Goldstein lol true
Get both. ;). I love them both. You captured the differences quite well
Get both lol
In covid times that's a bit hard.
Yeah ez 2 grab both if you've got massive $$$ to burn. lol1!
rich folk problems
Wow
you need to update your video, you are wrong on many levels. Thanks for the disinformation
I guess boomers call Sam more often than I thought. Handheld thermals are dead. Helmet-mounted thermal is the way.
Your helmet mounted thermal is a handheld thermal modified for poor people.
@@atacorion No. Next?
@@thermal_el_jackson I don't think anyone other than you read that as a question.
@@09jisaac let me guess: you own none of these products.
@@09jisaac LOL
I was wondering who the F he was talking to for a sec.