If she told her friends she killed her mum she's waiting for her step dad to kill him, she asked when he's coming home pretending to be her mum. How is that insanity?
@@stephjovis3469 for a adult brain it would make noise sense. For a 14 year old brain, undeveloped frontal cortex relying on the amygdlia for decision making and impulse control and she has access to a firearm, it makes sense.
Yeah, that’s difficult for me to get past as well. Like it’s almost she’s luring her stepdad and planning. I also have a hard time with the fact that her mom had just discovered the fact that she’s using vape pens and has burner phones, and the defense is trying to basically say that it’s just a coincidence that her mental breakdown happened under those circumstances.
Nope. In the house video she was calm, deliberate, purposeful, showed complete lack of empathy towards mother, consciously evading detection (hiding gun behind her back, running away). No signs of agitation, distress or confusion, no lack of awareness of surroundings, no signs of responding to internal stimuli. Unfortunately for her, there is no magic pill for conduct disorder/ antisocial personality disorder. A controlled environment to keep the community safe is the only treatment for that behavioural disorder. Basically, jail.
I completely agree! This girl is pure evil. She is a calculated murderous monster. She knew what she was doing. She still does. Lock her up and throw away the key. Her relationship with her stepfather is odd. It’s as if she’s still manipulating him. He couldn’t even look up during his testimony.
I can quite believe she has a bipolar diagnosis, however I think it’s going to be hard to prove that unless there is more than one Specialist doctor saying that. I’ve not heard enough to convince me yet.
@@nikkijones4978 no symptoms of mania, hypomania or severe clinical depression. So that would be a no to bipolar. I can see borderline personality traits, especially when watching the performative dramatics during the trial.
The kitchen video is horrifying. Seeing her so calm and composed after putting 3 bullets in her mom's face/head; taking a seat in the kitchen texting her friends; using her mom's phone to text step dad pretending to be Ashley; asking her friend if she wanted to see the dead body, chilling. That poor woman.😢 Even the pups were traumatized.😪
Psychopaths have a way of filtering all healthy relationships out of their life as a result of their behavior to the point that the only ‘friends’ left are other deplorables.
Maybe her friend didn’t want to see her mom’s body. I’ve only heard Carly asked the friend that. Carly was even slick enough to hide the gun behind herself while sitting in the kitchen so she could use two hands to text 😳. Seems she was pretty familiar with it for someone who’d only gone out to a range “a time or two” with her parents. Very familiar. I’ve said this before, a 357 magnum is a big revolver and has a big kickback, particularly for a small person.
@@edrathephoenix The friend came over and saw the body. She was interviewed. She waited in the back yard and after the father was shot she ran after Carly.
Yes, that kitchen video shows cold calculation. She knew exactly what she was doing, knew where the camera was to hide gun in her hand. She texted her dad if he was almost home so she could kill Him too.
Nope. She intended everything. She "saved 3 bullets for her step father. She knew he was due home soon and told her friend to wait outside." She was aware enough to hide the gun from cameras, was aware enough to check if anyone else was home, was aware enough to text without mistakes. She knew where the gun was hidden. She was aware of how many bullets she put in her mother. She was terrified and out of her mind because she'd just murdered her mom. And knew it. Premeditated.
Cutting yourself, using weed, sneaking out a night, buying a burner phone, taking a knife to school......is NOT normal teenage behaviour. I don't buy that "normal" teenage description at all
Yup, she was far from normal. Not safe without appropriate help and needed to be treated for a LONG time before release, but she’s not a Paris. It troubles me that she got life, and Paris will be released 40 years after his sentencing.
Why wasn't there someone how did take care of her problème before it was to late ? Stay at home with all this conditions with à gun in the house! Smoking weed= selfmedication, she needed good help!
When I was her age , I snuck out at night , cut school, smoked weed and had a boyfriend 5 years older than I and I never hurt anyone and eventually grew out of my teenage rebellion, just saying
My mom and I never got along when I was in teenage years but the thought to kill her Never enturered my mind this girl is a sick girl she knew exactly what she was doing🎉
@@Ladie_Paige 💯! Did she know she was being recorded? Prayers go out to her family, friends and students 🙏, how disgusting! Lock her up and throw away the keys!!! Evil
@@Ladie_PaigeWhat did you think, about the beautiful young blonde psychiatrist on the stand today? Telling, that she gave Carly 25mg Zoloft in January. February 50mg. Carly felt like a zombie. So March, 25 mg again and an extra med Lexapro to combine for a 14 year old?
The defense that she didn't recognize her stepdad isn't gonna cut it. Because she texted her dad (through her mom's phone) when he's going to come home. Therefore, there's even premeditation because she's waiting for her dad to arrive, and shoot him too
@@mandolyn can he be accountable because of he was the adult and the gun may have been his? i know these days they are going after the parents when kids use their guns to comit a crime.
Peter - your recaps are NEVER long in the tooth! Chicago pedestrian here - your videos get me to and from the office every week! Even replay older cases a lot. Thank you for adding TH-cam to your busy practice and family life.
I can personally admit that for years, I was given Paxil for decades (depression). I complied on and off because I felt "better". But close 6 years ago, pressure in my life was insufferable. Thanks to an angel of a psychiatrist, he diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. He gave me many books to read to understand how the illness rears his head. He weaned me off Paxil. We tried 2 bipolar meds. He weighed me, and he drew my blood, along with talking to him weekly and regular visits with psychologist, it was a constant regulation to get prescription dosage just right. Even when I was feeling "better" he still tested my blood and advised it may take 3,4 months properly taken will be key. This testimony troubles me.
Your message is truth 🙏I feel the same about this 14 year old … that she has mental condition ( of which there are just sooo many ) it’s her mother ! It’s totally unnatural to shoot your mother …it worries me that the legal system is so only based on physical facts / evidence - the physiatrist is in my opinion “ a joke “ inexperienced - nothing - she should please go do something else with her life as just look at the mess she made here !!!!!!
Well I really wouldn’t call her super smart. Smart would be knowing not to shoot anyone with that camera in the house. And at 14, I think you would be intelligent enough to realize that you just ruined your life and any chance of having a promising future? Math skills aside she was very bad at calculating probabilities.
I think so to. To me the fact that she hid the gun from the camera says it all. That is planning, awareness of surroundings, guilt. If she had slipped she wouldn't care or wouldn't know to do that.
Her mother had no control. You all live chaotic and senseless lives. Your children are all on Adderall. Within 20 years you'll all be protecting yourself against your own children, as you raise their children. Highlight this. Mark my words. The leading cause of divorce will not be adultery. It will be differences over your adult children
Speaking as someone with bipolar, I can see it be a contributing factor, especially if there’s some psychotic features which can alter thought processes. I’m not saying it explains it completely or excuses it, but it absolutely could have pushed her closer to choosing this option. Especially in the face of a medication change. I did some absolutely, completely unlike me things when i was pushed into mania by a medication dose increase (Prozac.) Again, I don’t think it’s an excuse unless she was in a deep psychotic state which I don’t think happens… she had some features, but not enough to completely distort knowing right from wrong or not being able to fight against hallucinations/delusions to the point that would rise to an insanity defense.
@@melistasyexactly i dont believe insanety in this case she is dangerous. I would not want her near me when she gets angry she kills you. But thats my opinion but i really hope the jury sees it for what it is. Cold blooded murder
She cant claim insanity when she kept trying to lure her step father back to the house and seeked a friend to help! And then ran! She went in grabbed a gun, shot her mother and then sat at the kitchen counter texting her stepfather and others. She wasn't in a panic. Minutes and minutes passed. She knew what she did was wrong, literally not the definition of insanity. As for the stepfather, its easier to try and excuse her behaviour as a mental illness rather than accepting the fact that she might just be evil.
Exactly! Just because the stepdad is supporting her doesn't mean anything about her innocence. It's sad, but sometimes people will believe anything to maintain their status quo.
@@eileen_a_b as a parent I couldn't imagine having to say child is a psychopath. But also look at Sue Klebold (columbine kids mother) she got shamed and blamed for years. I wonder if that's potentially a part of it too, I didn't raise her to be a psycho she liked dolls, there's got to be another explanation other than me missing the signs
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Her actions are so horrifying, it may be impossible for them to face that possibility. I think Sidney, the other young woman who recently killed her mother and claimed a psychotic break or something along those lines - her family also stood by her. In any case, I can't imagine.
@brittxmorin yeah, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance that occurs when a person has to face a loved one can be bad and public bullying doesn't make it any better.
She is calculating. Her mom was angry because she found out that day Carly was smoking a lot of weed and her friend was concerned. When they got home Carly appeared upset when she got out of the car. her mom was sneaking to through her bedroom probably checking for whatever else she could find. Carly walks in seeing this and pulls gun out. Stepdad is giving creepy vibes. He probably always took Carly’s side and didn’t back the mom with her disciplinary. It’s only been 6 months since the murder. Never seen him act sad that his wife is dead!!! He also lied for Carly. His description.. she’s just a sweet little girl. What about taking a knife to school and having to go to to alternative school, smoking weed at 13, boyfriend, nipple piercing, lies. Something is wrong here.
Disagree about the stepdad. In the body cam he appeared distraught & in shock. On the stand he did at a couple points talked happily about his wife, & did show some distress when shown criminal scene photos. On thing I got, he set his boundaries when it came to Carly as not to interfere with her mother's parental guidance & not to rage on her biological dad. She's very intelligent & manipulative. I believe her biological dad contributed to her behavior.
Why does stepdad look down during most of his testimony, nervously twisting in his chair. His behavior and body language says he’s hiding something or a lier…..
If Her mother was half as calculating about making a family with a responsible adult and a two-parent house, they probably wouldn't have a spawn of the devil on Adderall
I don't think the step father's testimony really did anything for the defense. Of course that's purely my opinion, and I do feel awful for the man, but what he THOUGHT or FELT and what the evidence showed are two very different things. After she killed her mom, she immediately picked up her mother's cellphone, texted her step father and said, "Honey, when are you coming home?" and when he got there, she told her friend, "I'm going to put 3 in him." Yes, mental illness is an "invisible" disease, but people's words and actions can tell a lot. I've worked in the medical field for over 20 years, I have my degree in psychology, and I suffer from mental illness myself. I have some pretty strong opinions about the topic. The best word I can use to describe Carly's actions is "calculated." She didn't "snap." She snuck into the bedroom to get the gun, made sure the coast was clear, shot her mom, and then she "baited" her step father and waited for him to get home. And, after all of that, she ran away. That's premeditated murder.
@Peter The hardest thing for me to get my head to wrap around is how the stepfather testified....Everything is fine and normal. Yet, she was seeing therapist and put on medication and such.
She was cutting herself. Self violence. She consistently talked to her therapists about having anger and rage issues. She got busted for bringing a knife to school. She was doing drugs. All these are red flags. Him claiming everything was perfect prior to the incident is delusional.
@@NoOne-qn9dl cutting is not self violence, its actually self soothing, just like self medicating. Other than that parents only knew about the swiss army knife. Parents are NOT informed what is discussed in therapy.
I think she absolutely has mental health issues, but she also clearly knew what she was doing, and knew it was wrong (hiding the gun), so should be guilty.
Hiding the gun shows a consciousness of guilt and it usually boils down to this premise: Did she know the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime? Yes = Guilty
I’ve never seen a husband talk about losing his wife without the first sound of remorse in his voice, or look of sadness or sorrow on his face but even a smile on his face when he looks at his stepdaughter.
Let's imagine that you have lost a loved one. And then a state wants to take another loved one from you. If you are a smart enough person, you will put your grief aside and will protect the person who is still alive. That makes sense.
Had to stay out of the chat for a lot of this trial, on multiple channels. You’ve kept the focus where it needs to be, as always. Thank you. Empathy for the human condition does not mean not wanting justice for victims.
I feel like something is off with him. Maybe it's the fact that it's only been 6 months since the murder and he hasn't had a chance to process everything or is there something else going on with him?
@@BjBeam Or maybe it's that people in comments on TH-cam who know how he should act when a state is taking away a person he's close to from him, after another person he loved was taken from him due to the mental illness.
I find the relationship between the stepfather and Carley ….?concerning? I can’t say strange, because Imas a retired LEO, I have seen troubling stepfather relationships many times.
That phrase is a stock line layers use in opening statements because ... wait for it .. the judge instructs the jury opening statements are the chance the lawyers get to say WHAT THE EVIDENCE WILL SHOW
I’m actually glad the defense was able to get in info about these meds and withdrawal potentially causing issues when switching. Psych meds completely changed my sister’s personality, including suicidal ideation and violence towards her loved ones in any transitions/changes/tapering/withdrawal. There is a lot of truth in the potential of these drugs changing her personality and causing her to be unable to control impulses. I’ve seen dramatic, scary & violent changes in personality and impulse control in these situations, first hand.
I’ve witnessed the same with a loved one. It was scary! But i do believe they still know right from wrong. Either way given the fact she does need to be medicated and not knowing if she could be triggered this way again Carly should never live in the free world.
I can’t believe for one second she didn’t know what she was doing. You don’t just snap and look around the corner to make sure the coast is clear, you don’t scheme to call your dad to kill him too so calmly, you don’t call several of your friends and then tell one to step outside while she kills her stepdad, and the first thing she says to the officer when picked up was how’s my stepdad? This all indicates to me from start to finish she knew exactly what she was doing.
@@DallasYetman-ex7nl No, that doesn't mean that. The fact that not knowing what you were doing means that you were insane, it does *not* mean that knowing what you were doing means that you were sane. Think of it this way: The fact that it rains means sidewalks are wet. However, if you know that it didn't rain you cannot state that sidewalks are dry.
Yesss, something weird about him. The way he said we're good talking about the relationship between him and Carly since the murder. It's like he doesn't want to make eye contact with anyone.
Creepy vibes. Not suggesting he's done anything untoward but he's giving off Billy Bob Thornton in Slingblade vibes by his demeanor and speaking voice.
@@Blessedtobe63yes! And what was that reaction when he was asked if Carly shot his wife?! A laugh and smiling over at Carly. I get we all grieve differently, but that seemed like something completely different. That's how you respond to a fond memory, not to the loss of your partner when you're looking at the person who ended her life. Something's off!
“Normally?” 🤦🏽♂️ Wow…. Why would she be screaming if it was premeditated, which obviously this was, she planned this. They weren’t mid-fight. She was a trouble teen and wanted to take her Mom out for awhile. What a dunce comment…
I found the psychiatrist very interesting and his testimony was compelling. Having a family member with a similar mental disorder, I can tell you this is very real and very hard to manage. It is a lifelong struggle for the person suffering from this mental illness and it affects the whole family. Personalities change completely. The “voices” that they hear get louder and more powerful and cause them to do things they would never normally do. Becoming violent towards family members that they love is not unusual. I have seen the look on Carly’s face on my family member’s face before when they are told what they have done and they have no recollection of what happened. Carly’s tears are real and her mental illness is too. 😢
I agree. Carly is not well and at only 14, they want sentence to life. She’s a child that was given Zoloft. These drugs are very unpredictable in children.
That's called schizophrenic. She is in no way schizophrenic. She's a sociopath, probably has Borderline Personality disorder. Which is a PERSONALITY disorder, not mental illness.
I've been thinking the same. She was 14 & on Zoloft, an adult antidepressant. Just BC she didn't show emotion after the act, doesn't mean she was calculated & premeditated. She should go to a MH facility to receive assistance, not jail for the rest of her life. Another thing, she has the support of her family not something that usually happens in cases like this where she shot him, yet his still supporting her. This speaks volumes imo. What happened to rehabilitation? Oh that's right, US don't do rehabilitation, it's only punishment. Sorry jmo
You should watch the testimony of the states forensic psychiatrist… She isn’t bipolar and she doesn’t hear voices. She’s malignant, smart and dangerous.
I think mental health has been the scapegoat for too many shootings. I've dealt with major depression and bi- polar depression and after 45 years, have yet to shoot anyone. However one difference, my parents followed basic gun safety protocols because my dad, a neurologist , knew that at 14, my frontal cortex was underdeveloped.
She was put on meds for a condition she didn't have.. The med she was put on asserbated her condition. If you have never experienced psychotropic medication, you shouldn't judge. They can & do make you psycho.
@@MomtoAutism Bipolar is a mental disorder & in the worst possible way with no medication or the wrong medications & especially when having trauma something bad can happen. No one who is healthy mentally, hurts people, especially the ones they love. When hitting puberty that’s when it begins showing. If you have mental disorders in your family that should be addressed to the parents. Parents need to listen. Here it seems like Carly had to soothe her mother & her mother was telling her stuff that no child should hear about the other parent, & to hear that you will become as your father must have been so scary for her. Something is definitely wrong. Mississippi not having laws about this, it’s time they need to.
I am a clinical counsellor and this happens. I have worked with youth who respond differently to same SSRIs or SNRIs. SO much more needs to be taken into consideration when medicating an adolescent, as we see here. This man sounds very knowledgeable and experienced, makes sense with all he's saying, in my experience.
I will say I at one time took those same medications, even as an adult I had side effects, one of them did make me feel "zombie" like. Or not really caring about the world around me. I had toddler children at the time. Drs kept changing medications for me also. I was diagnosed with double depression with suicide and homicidal tendency (it all surrounded the marriage i was in). I did finally get the right combination. Got out of the marriage. And have not gone down that deep dark tunnel again. It was a scary time.
Yes!! She was on Lexapro at 14! I took Lexapro as a 29yo woman and had awful side effects, it made me incredibly irritable and I'd snap at the smallest things. I can't imagine that as a child, children already struggle with emotional regulation. I'm not saying she was completely insane, but I don't think she was 100% culpable. Such a terrible case.
Thank you! They throw meds at children. Serious trauma then straight to meds that do crazy things to your brain is a recipe for disaster. No one is talking about it either. Ppl scream about guns. Children had access to guns for years-why are they doing these things now? I’m not advocating for or against gun control. I’m saying, s/thing else is going on. We don’t talk about it bc big pharma has better lobbyists.
@@malefiiicent i took citalopram as a 32 year old woman and it helped me so much, I was able to remain calm. This goes to show different medications work differently for people.
@@lgi6131At 13 years old, my Mom was at work. I snuck into her room, just to be nosy and found a 38 Saturday night special. No ammo, but it was the first time I’d held a gun and I played with it. Gun was in top dresser drawer and I knew nothing about it. Point is, she may have found the gun by accident. Not all people who have guns tell their kids where it is. Just saying. Guns in households 40 years ago are very different than gun opinions and usage nowadays. Mine are all locked up, because kids are sneaky and nosey. And mental heath has changed so much over the years.
That’s exactly it, why do these kids have such easy access to firearms. Kids are impulsive and incapable of fully understanding that this is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I watched the final day of testimony. I believe the forensic psychiatrist who in his opinion that Carly was aware of what she was doing, knew that it was wrong, and found her sane at the moment that Carly committed the crimes.
My son who is now 16 has also suffered with depression and anxiety since he was 11. He has been on all those medications and has had similar issues with side affects. It's hard to say if she was or wasn't in her right mind at the time of the shooting. But. I can honestly say I have looked into my son's eyes only to not see him looking back, it was not him. Today he still struggles but is doing much better thanks to finding the correct medications and keeping on a regular schedule with his doctors and therapist. He now feels like he can talk to me about how feels vs holding it all inside before. I'm not excusing the crime, but she truly might not been in a "normal" state of mind.
I agree with you. I’ve had children on medication. I know the blank look. The flat look. The crime was horrific. But I don’t think she was in her right mind at all.
How did she not recognise him after telling her friend that he was coming home and to go into the garden? I can understand a parent not wanting to believe a child had done it but she interacted with her friend normally and didn't appear out of it..
This judge truly appeared to struggle with his decision. He decided based upon erring on the side of the defendant. Tough call. Great way to handle the matter…egoless, thoughtful and with deep forethought.
Zoloft left me numb too, and when i weaned off of it, it was the worst time in my life. And lexapro! Omg! That threw me into a 12 hour panic attack! I dont think these meds are properly studied, especially for children! Im not saying the meds made her do it, but theres really not enough information on what these meds do to a person, and how addictive they can be for someone who has been taking them for a long time and suddenly stopped.
If she looked like zombie or was just wandering around stone faced...maybe. But, she hid the gun, called her friends, shot her step dad like she SAID she would...then ran. She knew exactly what she was doing and why.
@@jackattack_8 when I say zombie, I mean emotionless. They left me without any emotions. Just like the doctor said she described herself. She looked pretty emotionless in that video. These meds have been known to cause suicidal tendencies. Why can't they also cause homicidial tendencies? After all, quite a few school shooters over the years were on anti anxiety meds too.
@SherryVulgamott Yeah, I know what you meant. I know all about these kinds of drugs, I've been on most of them. She doesn't look anymore "emotionless" than she does any other time. But her calculated and thought out actions aren't because of any antidepressant. She wanted to do it, and she did.
@@jackattack_8 I never said her actions were because of the drugs. In fact I said "I'm not saying the drugs made her do it." I was commenting on how the drugs made me feel, because I know them too since I was also on them, like hundreds of thousands of other people are also taking these drugs.
SSRI’s have horrible side effects for young people. Suicidal and/or homicidal tendencies out of the blue. We need an overhaul of how we over medicate our children. It’s making things worse not better
I think step-dad is so supportive of Carly because it's what his wife would have wanted. Full stop. He loved Ashley and Ashley loved Carly, so I feel he's just trying to fulfill what her last wishes would have been
That possibility honestly didn’t occur to me before you mentioned it, but your observation is really insightful. His assessment of Carly is primarily based on the imagery impressed upon him by his late wife, so of course he’s going to believe (or desperately *want* to believe) that she is a “sweet girl”.
This case reminds me of an episode of Bull, which featured a 13-year old boy who was a sociopath and intentionally shot his brother in the head. Then everyone claimed it was an accident but it wasn’t. He was so calm throughout even when calling for help. I get the same exact vibes from Carly. It may be hard for people to believe there are evil children out there but they do exist.
Without the video, I could have gone with mental issues. The video she shows no emotion, very deliberate actions. She walked and got the gun, hid it behind her back. She walked into her room and shot her mom 3 times. Very cool, calm, collected.
With or without the video there is mental issues all over this! Doing something so irrational and going about your day isn’t normal and would probably be considered some type of mental issue.
Yes! And when she “cries,” she hides her face with her hands behind her hair and when she removes her hands and raises her head, her face is dry and her eyes don’t show signs of tears…
See with me I think someone that does something so heinous and then just acting normal and like everything is ok - is what makes me think insanity. Being so nonchalant is huge red flags. She just sat down and started to text, then said something sweet to the dogs. That cannot be a mentally ok child.
Hello, Im a Psychotherapist and work with high risk children who are involved in the court system. The expert seems to me to be a very typical character in my field: older man with outdated knowledge that speaks with considerable confidence, but in reality is just stating his opinion that at times, seems far fetched or biased. The defendant absolutely has mental health issues, no one murders their parent if they dont. However her actions after the murder are absolutely not indicative of a psychotic break. Hiding the gun from the camera, calling friends, texting the step father, her calmness. I am not even remotely convinced that she was temporarily insane and the jury shouldnt be either. Also the medications she was on could definitely cause her mental health issues to worsen, however she had *awareness* during and after the murder. If she was having a reaction to the meds (psychotic break, dissociation) she would not have that level of awareness. You cannot blame the medication for this murder. The one and only mental health issue that I see as possible is if she were hearing voices that were telling her what to do. This seems to be a very good attempt at a mental health defense but I am not even remotely convinced that she did not know what she was doing.
I am bipolar 2. I started having issues when I turned 16. I had anxiety, depression, difficulty sleeping and self harm thoughts. However I did not kill my mother. I wasn’t diagnosed bipolar until I was 43. I did not know that I have a mental illness when I was younger. We did not talk about this growing up in the 70’s. I’m 60 and I have to state that this diagnosis is no excuse for murdering a person. I take meds everyday so I can function and work.
Finally, a TH-camr that can say dissociate instead of disassociate. Thank you, Peter. I know I'm annoying for even saying this, but it drives me up a wall when people say they're "diagnosed with disassociation" and it doesn't even make sense. If they were diagnosed with something that had that as a particular symptom, they'd probably actually know the word is "dissociate."
@@deepstatethrombosis I find the mispronunciation most irritating from people on YT who claim to work in mental health. Everyone else gets a pass. But others need to realize that it’s like people who can hear pitch hearing someone sing off key
I have raised 4 teenage girls, the puberty changes, the emotional drama, and the close love/ hate relationship between mama and teen girl is very high strung. At times, mothers make decisions that girls do not understand, I feel Carley fired at her mother, no thought just because at that moment, hate won the battle.
Me too 4 daughter's raised and I'm not buying this defense. She was a rebelious teenager and step dad slightly wounded because their relationship wasn't the same as the Mothers. I could go on and on
I'm not a mom but remember been a teen girl and you hit the nail on the head. The rollercoaster of emotions due to hormonal changes make any home a chaos box. 😊
@@rebalspirit yes but most don’t commit murder. She is dangerous and mentally off. She needs to be locked up for life as she is a ticking bomb that can be set off any time in her adult life.
My daughter started having suicidal thought at 9yo. They thru her on all kinds of medication, she was misdiagnosed at least 5 times before they could test her for the dmdd dx when she turned 18yo, she turned 18 in June and was just finally diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and schizo-affective disorder. I had to have her arrested 6 times from 10-17yo for beating the crap out of me my mother and father and total destruction of the house. Our story is very similar to this girl's. In terms of physical abuse by her father during my pregnancy and for the next year until the FBI and 5 local agencies took him away. These meds can be serious! Deadly serious. I just got her Our of her 5th psych ward Friday after I found her in a seizure from an overdose last Monday morning when I woke up. It's so hard to dx and find the right meds and treatment. My ❤ goes out to this family. My girls come out me and my mother with knives several times and often talks of voices and hallucinations. It's so hard trying to keep them safe from themselves.
Wow thank you for sharing. So important for others (myself included) to hear testimony from others in real crisis with insurmountable mental health issues. Things clearly spiraling out of control so quickly and services stretched thin as well as patience from both loved ones and experts. Sending strength to you and others trying to remain afloat. I don’t yet know what to think about this case. Ugh yet another case of unintentional consequences of loaded firearms available for a child to use.
I’m so sorry! If she’s on Adderall or a stimulant similar, I’d reconsider it. I was in and out of psychosis for 15 years on Adderall and misdiagnosed as bipolar 1. I’ve been off it 10 years now and haven’t had any delusions or hallucinations. If she’s not on it, then nevermind but just want to spread the word about that drug causing psychosis.
Ty. We're trying our best to work thru it. When she came at us with knives or was beating us, you could see her bright green eyes go solid black and she was just gone, it was not her. But trying to get the help she needed, they said they don't treat kids under 14yo. So it was a real struggle trying to find therapist and psychiatrists for her. Luckily, it was court ordered for us, So I was able to get her in at 9yo, but then they never believed what she said for years. With the courts and the help of NAMI we were able to get her into animal therapy and intensive outpatient therapy, but at her age she would never really talk. It's a process that's for sure and absolutely heartbreaking as a mom to know she's going thru this and there's literally no help for her unless court ordered. She's definitely one of those in that 1-2% where the anti depressants make her suicidal and homicidal. It's not her. But she just can't learn yet how to control it. We're still working on it everyday. I've had every knife in lock boxes since she was 10yo, as well as her meds. But her therapist said she needed to be more independent so I should let her manage her meds now that she's 18. This time she almost succeeded. The paramedics and Dr's said she had minutes to live. She'd been seizing and drowning in the foam coming out of her stomach, but she was so locked down in the seizure for about an hour more or less she couldn't call for help, then she was non verbal for 2 days. I think it's one of those if situations where you can't know what you don't know. It's miserable on the whole family (assuming the stigma doesn't make them keep it secret) and as a single parent, you get exhausted cuz, how do you sleep knowing they will probably snap in the middle of the night. I just feel for anyone experiencing this. I don't know if this case is like my daughter, but it sure as hell sounds like it. She can do bad things, and then be calm as could be admit what she did, never apologize because she can't. But she had no idea what she did was wrong because her brain is literally wired differently and her impulsivity and 'snaps' she thinks is how normal people act. Like in behavior analysis, most people assume everyone else thinks the same way as them. We're just programed to think that way. All that to say I feel for parents or families going thru this when it's absolutely real, rather than manipulation, and I hope Peter covers this more.
I watched the whole trial so far. Can’t wait to see what you think. The video is very damning for her. The last witness yesterday helped her a bit. I’m not holding my breath that it will be enough.
…I find this fascinating!… As someone that is responsible for documenting the adverse effects of medications, in a physicians office, I understand this physician’s testimony on her change in meds, her psychotic thoughts as (possibly)pertains to the mix of meds and her quitting meds “cold turkey” w/o tapering the dose down Fascinating case, regardless of the jury’s verdict
And see I think it’s all just a load of BS because what we’re basically saying is her psychotic breakdown or her dissociation or whatever you want to call it just so happens to coincide with her mom finding out about her vaping and her burner phones and other bad behavior. That seems way too coincidental. If it was just a random day and the homicide didn’t happen under those circumstances then I could definitely at least entertain the idea of there being some kind of insanity, but it seems like a teenager who didn’t want her parents to find out what she was actually up to, and couldn’t handle it. And that might seem extreme, but I host a podcast myself and it’s almost an epidemic in terms of The number of cases we are seeing where teenagers and young adults will kill their parents before they will allow their parents to confront them over their lies and bad behavior. I can think of at least five cases off the top of my head where a teenager/young adult pretends to go to college for an extended period of time, and then once the parents find out or when their “graduation” is near, they would rather kill their parents than face the reality of their disturbing lies. This seems to fall right under that umbrella just a bit different circumstances.
And see I think it’s all just a load of BS because what we’re basically saying is her psychotic breakdown or her dissociation or whatever you want to call it just so happens to coincide with her mom finding out about her vaping and her burner phones and other bad behavior. That seems way too coincidental. If it was just a random day and the homicide didn’t happen under those circumstances then I could definitely at least entertain the idea of there being some kind of insanity, but it seems like a teenager who didn’t want her parents to find out what she was actually up to, and couldn’t handle it. And that might seem extreme, but I host a podcast myself and it’s almost an epidemic in terms of The number of cases we are seeing where teenagers and young adults will kill their parents before they will allow their parents to confront them over their lies and bad behavior. I can think of at least five cases off the top of my head where a teenager/young adult pretends to go to college for an extended period of time, and then once the parents find out or when their “graduation” is near, they would rather kill their parents than face the reality of their disturbing lies. This seems to fall right under that umbrella just a bit different circumstances.
As a human being who wasn't raised in a world of Adderall stepdads video games firearms and smartphones..... I think she's a mirror on your entire culture. Get used to this .
peter, (RN here) the DSM-5 is used to diagnose ALL psychiatric disorders. each diagnosis has signs and / or symptoms, they must have a certain amount to be diagnosed with the matching disorder. it's not uncommon for providers to "play" with dosing and it can take 4-6 weeks to have a full effect, sometimes longer and doses should be tapered off. NEVER cold turkey. it sounds like she started with antidepressants and then moved on to anti- psychotics which can be controversial in under college age teens/young adults. "some" providers will max out doses & literally throw multiple medications at the wall (since different classes will work differently in the body) and see what sticks.
I be been on antidepressants for yrs i was on may dose of Zoloft 200mg and it wasnt as effective after a while, my Dr started me on Mirtazapine as well to help me sleep after my mum died, when i saw a psychiatrist she put me on quetiapine so at one point i was on all 3, although very low dose of Mirtazipine and quetiapine . She took me off Zoloft very gradually and started me on Venlafaxine, slowly increased the quetiapine and stopped Mirtazapine…… it was all very gradual and eventually…… nowadays ne venlafaxine and quetiapine i m the best i ve been for many years.
I haven’t finished listening yet but wanted to share that I have been using SSRIs most of my adult life (62 now). I tried Lexapro several years ago and it affected me horribly as soon as I started it. I was miserable and wanted to die. I can’t recall ever feeling so bad. My doctor said this particular drug can be a miracle for most patients but there’s no gray area. It either works miracles or the opposite occurs and drags you down very deeply.
She had the opportunity the prosecution gave her a deal and she thought she was too smug and smart and manipulating that she would get nothing. They offered her 40 years with parole and she smiled and went now thanks she got exactly what she deserved jury. Got it right
I experienced same symptoms with med...did not take me long to get rid of that one! Scary stuff. I was a nurse and could not think! No way! What a sad sad situation.
one time I was prescribed Elavil for pain, even though it was an anti depressant. I took only a 1/2 because I was nervous about taking it for pain.... I got to work... and I told my brother after 10 minutes working, that I felt like I was going to kill someone. Was so weird. Called my neurologist.... all he said was oh! stop taking it immediately... duh.....
Agree and disagree. I think she absolutely knew, but I think she had to be a bit out of her mind to shoot and try to kill both her mother and stepfather. Enough for insanity defense? I don’t think so. I think she was a messed up kid, and probably still is. I just don’t think she was insane and did this because of insanity.
I’m so glad you are covering this! I’ve been following it for about a month now and I can’t wait to hear your input. The judge has had to reprimand the defense multiple times prior to the trial even starting, they had consistently told him that the psych evaluation was “going to be completed soon” and this was happening I believe more than a month after it was due. It’s crazy.
I am so glad you are covering this. Different type of case, always difficult when it involves mental health issues especially minors. I am a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner who sees a lot of adolescents who are struggling and cases like this and school shootings are my biggest fears - missing someone who would go on to do this 😢
Peter, so nice that you are covering this case. I have been watching this case recently, very interesting in many aspects. Please make more videos a about this case!
The challenge with mental health issues is that they are not necessarily evident. Someone suffering with these issues is not necessarily going to act crazy half the time, much less all the time. Additionally, it should be taken into account that the frontal lobe, usually responsible for our self-control may not have fully developed in a teen-ager. And unlike most of sciences, in mental health issues you can state there could be a correlation between medication and actions and behaviour, but it is not that easy to prove them beyond any reasonable doubt. It is very common for people suffering from bipolar disorder to distrust psychiatrists or psychologists. The main challenge for a professional dealing with a bipolar patient is to get them coming back to therapy. There is something that this expert said that I found a particularly troubling: the fact that she took herself from a medication from one day to the next, instead of gently reducing it.
Going to the jury tomorrow after closing statements. Tried as adult and MS says if life sentence than there is no parole however the judge said there is life with parole also. The video gives Carly away. It shows her premeditation. I have watched it all. I believe she is 100% guilty not insanity. MS has a strict insanity defense and she does not meet the standards. Alot of people in chat today think the Stepdad and Carly have a very strange loving relationship with each other. 🤔 We shall see tomorrow when the jury gets it. 😮😮😮😮😮🎉
I was hoping you would cover this. Gisela from Grizzlies has been covering this. So interesting of a case. I am torn about the insanity because she contacted friends and a tall boy came over, standing outside waiting for Carly to come out after shooting her stepdad. Please cover this live. I love the way you break down and give you legal viewpoints. ❤
Grizzly stopped covering it mid day yesterday bc she couldn’t handle it, or handle how bad her chat was. Peter doesn’t follow live bc of his schedule. Tomorrow this goes to deliberations, it will be interesting to see what the verdict is.
I feel like they have him on some type of medication because that’s quite some trauma to go through. I mean when you really think there’s an intruder and then find out it’s your stepdaughter trying to blow your brains out and it was already blown her mother‘s brains out she was diabolical cold. She’s got a black heart and the jury got it right
Peter, as a lawyer, albeit a civil medical malpractice attorney, I totally agree with your analysis regarding the judges ruling on the experts opinion. The Judge should have reasoned it out the way that you did and excluded just that part of his opinion. It seems there would’ve been no harm no foul. I have seen too many judges, even in the civil realm rule against black letter law, and admitting that they were doing so. In some instances, I think it was because they knew very well which side would move to file an interlocutory appeal and which side wouldn’t. It is somewhat analogous to the reasoning in this criminal trial. Thanks for what you do. I really enjoy watching your channel.
The one thing I do agree with the defense expert… the affect of quitting Zoloft cold turkey and starting Lexapro right away. It could’ve caused issues. She should’ve been monitored by her parents with the medication. Her parents also left guns unlocked so why would they monitor medication?
I couldn't serve on this jury because I have a child with mental health issues.... Medicine and therapy help a lot, but some of the medicines help some and worsen others. My child was started on Prozac and within a week or so, he threatened to k*** our whole family. We had to take serious action to keep him and us safe. It was a scary time. If he had not told us he was going to k**** us we may have been in the same boat.
I’m sorry, i empathize. My family has been through the same. Ironically prozac was the very first med her pediatrician put her on, at the urging of school officials. I regret allowing her to be put on the meds, it was a rollercoaster for years!
@@MsK_1111 Prozac is first line antidepressant choice for children and adolescents. It is an amazing medicine for some, not so much for others. It is hard to know.
If she told her friends she killed her mum she's waiting for her step dad to kill him, she asked when he's coming home pretending to be her mum. How is that insanity?
Exactly
@@stephjovis3469 for a adult brain it would make noise sense. For a 14 year old brain, undeveloped frontal cortex relying on the amygdlia for decision making and impulse control and she has access to a firearm, it makes sense.
@@ckwagoner2846this is an underrated comment. Thank you for pointing that out
It’s not n I really think the jury will send her to prison. All teens are claiming this now.
Yeah, that’s difficult for me to get past as well. Like it’s almost she’s luring her stepdad and planning. I also have a hard time with the fact that her mom had just discovered the fact that she’s using vape pens and has burner phones, and the defense is trying to basically say that it’s just a coincidence that her mental breakdown happened under those circumstances.
Nope. In the house video she was calm, deliberate, purposeful, showed complete lack of empathy towards mother, consciously evading detection (hiding gun behind her back, running away). No signs of agitation, distress or confusion, no lack of awareness of surroundings, no signs of responding to internal stimuli. Unfortunately for her, there is no magic pill for conduct disorder/ antisocial personality disorder. A controlled environment to keep the community safe is the only treatment for that behavioural disorder. Basically, jail.
I completely agree! This girl is pure evil. She is a calculated murderous monster. She knew what she was doing. She still does. Lock her up and throw away the key. Her relationship with her stepfather is odd. It’s as if she’s still manipulating him. He couldn’t even look up during his testimony.
I can quite believe she has a bipolar diagnosis, however I think it’s going to be hard to prove that unless there is more than one Specialist doctor saying that. I’ve not heard enough to convince me yet.
@@nikkijones4978 no symptoms of mania, hypomania or severe clinical depression. So that would be a no to bipolar. I can see borderline personality traits, especially when watching the performative dramatics during the trial.
@@lizhodges7899 Didn’t the Doctor say it was bipolar 2, in which they have the lows, but doesnt reach the highs of mania? Voices I can believe …
@@nikkijones4978having bipolar don't let her off the hook..lots of people have bipolar...
The kitchen video is horrifying. Seeing her so calm and composed after putting 3 bullets in her mom's face/head; taking a seat in the kitchen texting her friends; using her mom's phone to text step dad pretending to be Ashley; asking her friend if she wanted to see the dead body, chilling. That poor woman.😢 Even the pups were traumatized.😪
Weird that her friend wanted to see her Mom's dead body and hung out in the back yard till she shot her Dad. Something is wrong with her also
Psychopaths have a way of filtering all healthy relationships out of their life as a result of their behavior to the point that the only ‘friends’ left are other deplorables.
Maybe her friend didn’t want to see her mom’s body. I’ve only heard Carly asked the friend that. Carly was even slick enough to hide the gun behind herself while sitting in the kitchen so she could use two hands to text 😳. Seems she was pretty familiar with it for someone who’d only gone out to a range “a time or two” with her parents. Very familiar. I’ve said this before, a 357 magnum is a big revolver and has a big kickback, particularly for a small person.
@@edrathephoenix The friend came over and saw the body. She was interviewed. She waited in the back yard and after the father was shot she ran after Carly.
Yes, that kitchen video shows cold calculation. She knew exactly what she was doing, knew where the camera was to hide gun in her hand. She texted her dad if he was almost home so she could kill
Him too.
Nope. She intended everything. She "saved 3 bullets for her step father. She knew he was due home soon and told her friend to wait outside." She was aware enough to hide the gun from cameras, was aware enough to check if anyone else was home, was aware enough to text without mistakes. She knew where the gun was hidden. She was aware of how many bullets she put in her mother. She was terrified and out of her mind because she'd just murdered her mom. And knew it. Premeditated.
The argument is not that she shot unintentionally, but that she was not herself when she did.
She acted with obvious clarity of mind!
Cutting yourself, using weed, sneaking out a night, buying a burner phone, taking a knife to school......is NOT normal teenage behaviour. I don't buy that "normal" teenage description at all
Yup, she was far from normal. Not safe without appropriate help and needed to be treated for a LONG time before release, but she’s not a Paris. It troubles me that she got life, and Paris will be released 40 years after his sentencing.
Why wasn't there someone how did take care of her problème before it was to late ? Stay at home with all this conditions with à gun in the house! Smoking weed= selfmedication, she needed good help!
When I was her age , I snuck out at night , cut school, smoked weed and had a boyfriend 5 years older than I and I never hurt anyone and eventually grew out of my teenage rebellion, just saying
agreed for the last one, first four are totally normal.
My mom and I never got along when I was in teenage years but the thought to kill her Never enturered my mind this girl is a sick girl she knew exactly what she was doing🎉
I have watched the whole trial and I think she knew exactly what she was doing. IMO
Same!! She's been smiling thru the trial. Doesn't seem mentally ill to me. That video of her was very damming against her.
@@Ladie_Paige 💯! Did she know she was being recorded?
Prayers go out to her family, friends and students 🙏, how disgusting! Lock her up and throw away the keys!!! Evil
@lauren_WI yes, she knew she was being recorded.
@@Ladie_PaigeWhat did you think, about the beautiful young blonde psychiatrist on the stand today? Telling, that she gave Carly 25mg Zoloft in January. February 50mg. Carly felt like a zombie. So March, 25 mg again and an extra med Lexapro to combine for a 14 year old?
@@Belleblaas73yep she probably should have stayed away from the illegal drugs
She looked to be in total control of her actions. IMO she needs to be locked up so she will not harm anyone else.
I'm with you. She had the forethought to hide the gun from the camera.
@@flopicarello313 Not only in control, strategic.
To her friend “Are you squeamish about seeing dead bodies?” 😮
Yea where she’ll never get the treatment and rehabilitation she desperately needs.
@yayakelley7771 There are plenty of people who earn college degrees in prison. There are many different programs. Carlys life us not over.
The defense that she didn't recognize her stepdad isn't gonna cut it. Because she texted her dad (through her mom's phone) when he's going to come home. Therefore, there's even premeditation because she's waiting for her dad to arrive, and shoot him too
Also had the friend go outside cause step father was about to be home.
Yeah, I don't believe him ,he's lying for her . I don't know why maybe he doesn't want to lose them both.
@@mandolyn can he be accountable because of he was the adult and the gun may have been his? i know these days they are going after the parents when kids use their guns to comit a crime.
@@diamondringirl It was her mother’s gun, which she kept in a cupboard under her bedside.
@@alicehawkins8685 She also told the friend that she had 3 bullets for her mother and the next 3 bullets are for her stepfather.
Peter - your recaps are NEVER long in the tooth! Chicago pedestrian here - your videos get me to and from the office every week! Even replay older cases a lot. Thank you for adding TH-cam to your busy practice and family life.
I can personally admit that for years, I was given Paxil for decades (depression). I complied on and off because I felt "better". But close 6 years ago, pressure in my life was insufferable. Thanks to an angel of a psychiatrist, he diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. He gave me many books to read to understand how the illness rears his head. He weaned me off Paxil. We tried 2 bipolar meds. He weighed me, and he drew my blood, along with talking to him weekly and regular visits with psychologist, it was a constant regulation to get prescription dosage just right.
Even when I was feeling "better" he still tested my blood and advised it may take 3,4 months properly taken will be key.
This testimony troubles me.
Your message is truth 🙏I feel the same about this 14 year old … that she has mental condition ( of which there are just sooo many ) it’s her mother ! It’s totally unnatural to shoot your mother …it worries me that the legal system is so only based on physical facts / evidence - the physiatrist is in my opinion “ a joke “ inexperienced - nothing - she should please go do something else with her life as just look at the mess she made here !!!!!!
I think she’s guilty as heck, she didn’t like her mom taking control
Well I really wouldn’t call her super smart. Smart would be knowing not to shoot anyone with that camera in the house. And at 14, I think you would be intelligent enough to realize that you just ruined your life and any chance of having a promising future? Math skills aside she was very bad at calculating probabilities.
I agree.
I hope the jury sees through her
I think so to. To me the fact that she hid the gun from the camera says it all. That is planning, awareness of surroundings, guilt. If she had slipped she wouldn't care or wouldn't know to do that.
Her mother had no control. You all live chaotic and senseless lives. Your children are all on Adderall.
Within 20 years you'll all be protecting yourself against your own children, as you raise their children.
Highlight this. Mark my words.
The leading cause of divorce will not be adultery. It will be differences over your adult children
She hid the gun from the camera. Shows she knows what shes doing to me. And her awareness of her surroundings.
Amen
Amen
She could say that the gun told her her to do that. Not to make light of it.
Still consistent with delusion.
@@jogey5890 Couldn't she just be a psychopath though? Maybe she feels no emotions at all. Maybe her brain is just made to hurt people.
Carly didn’t call friends to get help, she wanted to show someone her dead mother.
She was sneaky and dishonest.
Maybe she got pleasure from it. Wanted to show off?!
Concealing the firearm is damning evidence to me. To blame this on bipolar disorder is twisted. She’s not insane.
Speaking as someone with bipolar, I can see it be a contributing factor, especially if there’s some psychotic features which can alter thought processes. I’m not saying it explains it completely or excuses it, but it absolutely could have pushed her closer to choosing this option. Especially in the face of a medication change. I did some absolutely, completely unlike me things when i was pushed into mania by a medication dose increase (Prozac.) Again, I don’t think it’s an excuse unless she was in a deep psychotic state which I don’t think happens… she had some features, but not enough to completely distort knowing right from wrong or not being able to fight against hallucinations/delusions to the point that would rise to an insanity defense.
@@rachelann9362 very well said! 🙏
To me, her actions afterwards mean that she knew right from wrong.
Guilty
Wait!!! She told her friend “wait outside, my stepdad will be home soon.” she definitely recognized him. smh
Yup, she laid in wait for him.
He recently had shaved, he looked completely different.
@@melistasyexactly i dont believe insanety in this case she is dangerous. I would not want her near me when she gets angry she kills you. But thats my opinion but i really hope the jury sees it for what it is. Cold blooded murder
@@WW-hn5yb she's a teenager not a toddler. I'm sure throughout the time she knew him he had shaved before.
Not exclusively logical, it does not necessarily follow.
She cant claim insanity when she kept trying to lure her step father back to the house and seeked a friend to help! And then ran! She went in grabbed a gun, shot her mother and then sat at the kitchen counter texting her stepfather and others. She wasn't in a panic. Minutes and minutes passed. She knew what she did was wrong, literally not the definition of insanity. As for the stepfather, its easier to try and excuse her behaviour as a mental illness rather than accepting the fact that she might just be evil.
Exactly! Just because the stepdad is supporting her doesn't mean anything about her innocence. It's sad, but sometimes people will believe anything to maintain their status quo.
Yes! I believe she planned everything, including claiming insanity and the act she's putting on now in court. It's all part of her master plan.
@@eileen_a_b as a parent I couldn't imagine having to say child is a psychopath. But also look at Sue Klebold (columbine kids mother) she got shamed and blamed for years. I wonder if that's potentially a part of it too, I didn't raise her to be a psycho she liked dolls, there's got to be another explanation other than me missing the signs
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Her actions are so horrifying, it may be impossible for them to face that possibility. I think Sidney, the other young woman who recently killed her mother and claimed a psychotic break or something along those lines - her family also stood by her. In any case, I can't imagine.
@brittxmorin yeah, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance that occurs when a person has to face a loved one can be bad and public bullying doesn't make it any better.
She is calculating. Her mom was angry because she found out that day Carly was smoking a lot of weed and her friend was concerned. When they got home Carly appeared upset when she got out of the car. her mom was sneaking to through her bedroom probably checking for whatever else she could find. Carly walks in seeing this and pulls gun out. Stepdad is giving creepy vibes. He probably always took Carly’s side and didn’t back the mom with her disciplinary. It’s only been 6 months since the murder. Never seen him act sad that his wife is dead!!! He also lied for Carly. His description.. she’s just a sweet little girl. What about taking a knife to school and having to go to to alternative school, smoking weed at 13, boyfriend, nipple piercing, lies. Something is wrong here.
Disagree about the stepdad. In the body cam he appeared distraught & in shock. On the stand he did at a couple points talked happily about his wife, & did show some distress when shown criminal scene photos. On thing I got, he set his boundaries when it came to Carly as not to interfere with her mother's parental guidance & not to rage on her biological dad.
She's very intelligent & manipulative. I believe her biological dad contributed to her behavior.
The 911 call shows his emotion and thoughts at the time.
Why does stepdad look down during most of his testimony, nervously twisting in his chair. His behavior and body language says he’s hiding something or a lier…..
@@AnneDC_2532probably because he is on meds to deal with this
Can't judge. We are all human & process everything different
If Her mother was half as calculating about making a family with a responsible adult and a two-parent house, they probably wouldn't have a spawn of the devil on Adderall
I don't think the step father's testimony really did anything for the defense. Of course that's purely my opinion, and I do feel awful for the man, but what he THOUGHT or FELT and what the evidence showed are two very different things. After she killed her mom, she immediately picked up her mother's cellphone, texted her step father and said, "Honey, when are you coming home?" and when he got there, she told her friend, "I'm going to put 3 in him." Yes, mental illness is an "invisible" disease, but people's words and actions can tell a lot.
I've worked in the medical field for over 20 years, I have my degree in psychology, and I suffer from mental illness myself. I have some pretty strong opinions about the topic. The best word I can use to describe Carly's actions is "calculated." She didn't "snap." She snuck into the bedroom to get the gun, made sure the coast was clear, shot her mom, and then she "baited" her step father and waited for him to get home. And, after all of that, she ran away. That's premeditated murder.
@Peter The hardest thing for me to get my head to wrap around is how the stepfather testified....Everything is fine and normal. Yet, she was seeing therapist and put on medication and such.
I interpreted that as she was not aggressive or violent prior to this.
She was cutting herself. Self violence. She consistently talked to her therapists about having anger and rage issues. She got busted for bringing a knife to school. She was doing drugs. All these are red flags. Him claiming everything was perfect prior to the incident is delusional.
@@NoOne-qn9dl cutting is not self violence, its actually self soothing, just like self medicating. Other than that parents only knew about the swiss army knife. Parents are NOT informed what is discussed in therapy.
Hiding the pistol from the camera indicates that she knew what she was doing was wrong.
I've seen schizophrenics become calm and appear normal when the police show up because they have been violent.
It only takes on episode of mania or hyOMania to make a DX of bipolar. MDD meds make bipolar worse.
Then why didn’t she take down the camera. They are saying she was a manipulative mastermind but her actions don’t match that.
I think she absolutely has mental health issues, but she also clearly knew what she was doing, and knew it was wrong (hiding the gun), so should be guilty.
Hiding the gun shows a consciousness of guilt and it usually boils down to this premise: Did she know the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime? Yes = Guilty
She was way too calm & I definitely feel she was cold & calculated.
I’ve never seen a husband talk about losing his wife without the first sound of remorse in his voice, or look of sadness or sorrow on his face but even a smile on his face when he looks at his stepdaughter.
Weird right?
Weird indeed even weirder is that not once step dad is under suspicion … it’s not a straight forward case yet the trial is so black and white ??????
Let's imagine that you have lost a loved one. And then a state wants to take another loved one from you. If you are a smart enough person, you will put your grief aside and will protect the person who is still alive. That makes sense.
Neither of them seemed upset. It was very odd!
Had to stay out of the chat for a lot of this trial, on multiple channels. You’ve kept the focus where it needs to be, as always. Thank you. Empathy for the human condition does not mean not wanting justice for victims.
Agree. Melanie Little’s point of view on this is really obnoxious.
@@honestly3371 intelligence doesn’t preclude her from behaving in an obnoxious way.
The chats are very toxic on this one.
Totally agree. Need more people like you ...
They have victim blamed, which turned me off. This is totally a sad situation and we as a society must assist our community before it gets this far
Please keep following this trial.
Closing arguments were today, it goes to deliberation tomorrow.
Step dad is not all there! According to him, Carly was a perfect angel! Never even saw her angry…ever?! Yeah…okay dude🤦🏻♀️❗️
I feel like something is off with him. Maybe it's the fact that it's only been 6 months since the murder and he hasn't had a chance to process everything or is there something else going on with him?
@@BjBeam Or maybe it's that people in comments on TH-cam who know how he should act when a state is taking away a person he's close to from him, after another person he loved was taken from him due to the mental illness.
THERE DEFINITELY SOMETHING NOT RIGHT WITH HIM. 😮
I find the relationship between the stepfather and Carley ….?concerning? I can’t say strange, because Imas a retired LEO, I have seen troubling stepfather relationships many times.
I don't like her use of, "the evidence will not show"
That phrase is a stock line layers use in opening statements because ... wait for it .. the judge instructs the jury opening statements are the chance the lawyers get to say WHAT THE EVIDENCE WILL SHOW
Confusing double negative
I know it was confusing to me i was waiting on Peter to explain
@@lr8189
good luck with that
I’m actually glad the defense was able to get in info about these meds and withdrawal potentially causing issues when switching. Psych meds completely changed my sister’s personality, including suicidal ideation and violence towards her loved ones in any transitions/changes/tapering/withdrawal. There is a lot of truth in the potential of these drugs changing her personality and causing her to be unable to control impulses. I’ve seen dramatic, scary & violent changes in personality and impulse control in these situations, first hand.
I’ve witnessed the same with a loved one. It was scary! But i do believe they still know right from wrong. Either way given the fact she does need to be medicated and not knowing if she could be triggered this way again Carly should never live in the free world.
Then Carly stopped her meds & took drugs. So there is no way to trust this girl with her mental well being
@@slisha4940 most with bipolar disorder do that. Coming off meds makes them manic which is a high for them.
But in rebuttal case prosecution doctors discussed the actual dosages she was taking and they were very low.
@@nanders4089 that is irrelevant, every bodies chemistry is affected differently on these psych meds.
I can’t believe for one second she didn’t know what she was doing. You don’t just snap and look around the corner to make sure the coast is clear, you don’t scheme to call your dad to kill him too so calmly, you don’t call several of your friends and then tell one to step outside while she kills her stepdad, and the first thing she says to the officer when picked up was how’s my stepdad? This all indicates to me from start to finish she knew exactly what she was doing.
Nobody said that she didn't know what she was doing. That's a red herring.
@@volodyanarchist I’m not here to argue….but when you claim insanity you in essence are saying you didn’t know what you were doing at the time right?
@@DallasYetman-ex7nl No, that doesn't mean that. The fact that not knowing what you were doing means that you were insane, it does *not* mean that knowing what you were doing means that you were sane.
Think of it this way: The fact that it rains means sidewalks are wet. However, if you know that it didn't rain you cannot state that sidewalks are dry.
@@volodyanarchist I respectfully disagree. Have a good night
@@DallasYetman-ex7nl This is not anything that can be disagreed upon. But you do have the right to ignore it. Twelve jurors did.
Carly didn’t call friends to get help. She wanted someone to see her dead mom. She was proud.
Exactly!!! Defense tried making that into something it was not!! Just the opposite!
Yep, one friend offered to call 911 for her if she needed help and she said no.
The step dad gave off absolutely weird energy to me...something just seems off in my opinion
Yesss, something weird about him. The way he said we're good talking about the relationship between him and Carly since the murder. It's like he doesn't want to make eye contact with anyone.
Agreed
Creepy vibes. Not suggesting he's done anything untoward but he's giving off Billy Bob Thornton in Slingblade vibes by his demeanor and speaking voice.
@@Blessedtobe63yes! And what was that reaction when he was asked if Carly shot his wife?! A laugh and smiling over at Carly. I get we all grieve differently, but that seemed like something completely different. That's how you respond to a fond memory, not to the loss of your partner when you're looking at the person who ended her life. Something's off!
Wow. First he's shot and now the internet goes after him. 😮 Wild
Normally a teen would be screaming at mother before such a drastic move. This is not normal.
It's most likely from delusions, which is a psychosis thing.
I agree.. which definitely goes to what the defense is saying
@@melissaj0973 She recognized him well enough when she told her friend to go out back cause she saw him coming up to the house.
“Normally?” 🤦🏽♂️
Wow…. Why would she be screaming if it was premeditated, which obviously this was, she planned this. They weren’t mid-fight. She was a trouble teen and wanted to take her Mom out for awhile. What a dunce comment…
@@melissaj0973LMFAO
None of her actions indicate a lack of comprehension of right and wrong. In fact, quite the opposite.
I found the psychiatrist very interesting and his testimony was compelling. Having a family member with a similar mental disorder, I can tell you this is very real and very hard to manage. It is a lifelong struggle for the person suffering from this mental illness and it affects the whole family. Personalities change completely. The “voices” that they hear get louder and more powerful and cause them to do things they would never normally do. Becoming violent towards family members that they love is not unusual. I have seen the look on Carly’s face on my family member’s face before when they are told what they have done and they have no recollection of what happened. Carly’s tears are real and her mental illness is too. 😢
Thank you for sharing. Sounds like you can really empathize. Also sounds like a really hard situation. 💕 Good insight.
I agree. Carly is not well and at only 14, they want sentence to life. She’s a child that was given Zoloft. These drugs are very unpredictable in children.
That's called schizophrenic. She is in no way schizophrenic. She's a sociopath, probably has Borderline Personality disorder. Which is a PERSONALITY disorder, not mental illness.
I've been thinking the same. She was 14 & on Zoloft, an adult antidepressant. Just BC she didn't show emotion after the act, doesn't mean she was calculated & premeditated. She should go to a MH facility to receive assistance, not jail for the rest of her life. Another thing, she has the support of her family not something that usually happens in cases like this where she shot him, yet his still supporting her. This speaks volumes imo. What happened to rehabilitation? Oh that's right, US don't do rehabilitation, it's only punishment. Sorry jmo
You should watch the testimony of the states forensic psychiatrist… She isn’t bipolar and she doesn’t hear voices. She’s malignant, smart and dangerous.
Insanity? For real? She was mad and impulsive but had forethought with the stepdad. Bipolar is not insanity.
Bipolar is a medical condition, insanity is a legal definition
I think mental health has been the scapegoat for too many shootings. I've dealt with major depression and bi- polar depression and after 45 years, have yet to shoot anyone. However one difference, my parents followed basic gun safety protocols because my dad, a neurologist , knew that at 14, my frontal cortex was underdeveloped.
Exactly, and this girl was extremely intelligent, so she knew exactly what she was doing. I'm sure this act of insanity is part of her master plan.
She was put on meds for a condition she didn't have.. The med she was put on asserbated her condition. If you have never experienced psychotropic medication, you shouldn't judge. They can & do make you psycho.
@@MomtoAutism Bipolar is a mental disorder & in the worst possible way with no medication or the wrong medications & especially when having trauma something bad can happen. No one who is healthy mentally, hurts people, especially the ones they love. When hitting puberty that’s when it begins showing. If you have mental disorders in your family that should be addressed to the parents. Parents need to listen. Here it seems like Carly had to soothe her mother & her mother was telling her stuff that no child should hear about the other parent, & to hear that you will become as your father must have been so scary for her. Something is definitely wrong. Mississippi not having laws about this, it’s time they need to.
Yes, Peter, continue coverage.
It bothers me that the jurors are not allowed to take notes.
@@debbiestohlman139 agreed but luckily it is a relatively straightforward case here
Me too. I am extremely ADHD and taking notes is what keeps me focused, otherwise I would loose attention and start thinking about other stuff
😮I missed that jury instructions. That’s wild
yeah, tbh sometimes I wonder how many verdicts were botched because the jurors had to go completely from memory
No notes at all? Or only during opening statements?
I am a clinical counsellor and this happens. I have worked with youth who respond differently to same SSRIs or SNRIs. SO much more needs to be taken into consideration when medicating an adolescent, as we see here. This man sounds very knowledgeable and experienced, makes sense with all he's saying, in my experience.
She fell between the MHSU cracks
I am SO glad you did this - no one is covering it and its so interesting. THANK YOU! I really hope you do a follow-up on it.
I felt sorry for the doggos 😢
Their reactions were more human than hers.
I was watching them. Strange they didn’t go to the mom. They can smell blood n gun powder but they were scared.
My theory is they were confused by Carly's lack of emotion
Right?! They looked so freaked out!
Me too. That broke my heart. The trails were no longer high up. 😢😢😢💔
I will say I at one time took those same medications, even as an adult I had side effects, one of them did make me feel "zombie" like. Or not really caring about the world around me. I had toddler children at the time. Drs kept changing medications for me also. I was diagnosed with double depression with suicide and homicidal tendency (it all surrounded the marriage i was in). I did finally get the right combination. Got out of the marriage. And have not gone down that deep dark tunnel again. It was a scary time.
Yes!! She was on Lexapro at 14! I took Lexapro as a 29yo woman and had awful side effects, it made me incredibly irritable and I'd snap at the smallest things. I can't imagine that as a child, children already struggle with emotional regulation. I'm not saying she was completely insane, but I don't think she was 100% culpable. Such a terrible case.
Thank you! They throw meds at children. Serious trauma then straight to meds that do crazy things to your brain is a recipe for disaster. No one is talking about it either. Ppl scream about guns. Children had access to guns for years-why are they doing these things now? I’m not advocating for or against gun control. I’m saying, s/thing else is going on. We don’t talk about it bc big pharma has better lobbyists.
@ksgirlfriday9581 I’m glad you made it through and are ok now 💕
I do believe she was abused by her mum an maybe stepdad was spying on her she don’t seem as if she had anyone on her side
@@malefiiicent i took citalopram as a 32 year old woman and it helped me so much, I was able to remain calm. This goes to show different medications work differently for people.
I hate to bring it back around…but here again we have a troubled teen with access to a parent’s loose fire arm.
Exactly guess they are so ignorant abt the other cases
The irony is the mom had it easily accessible because she was afraid of the ex husband. Carly should have never known it was there.
Yep
@@lgi6131At 13 years old, my Mom was at work. I snuck into her room, just to be nosy and found a 38 Saturday night special. No ammo, but it was the first time I’d held a gun and I played with it. Gun was in top dresser drawer and I knew nothing about it. Point is, she may have found the gun by accident. Not all people who have guns tell their kids where it is. Just saying. Guns in households 40 years ago are very different than gun opinions and usage nowadays. Mine are all locked up, because kids are sneaky and nosey. And mental heath has changed so much over the years.
That’s exactly it, why do these kids have such easy access to firearms. Kids are impulsive and incapable of fully understanding that this is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I watched the final day of testimony. I believe the forensic psychiatrist who in his opinion that Carly was aware of what she was doing, knew that it was wrong, and found her sane at the moment that Carly committed the crimes.
My son who is now 16 has also suffered with depression and anxiety since he was 11. He has been on all those medications and has had similar issues with side affects. It's hard to say if she was or wasn't in her right mind at the time of the shooting. But. I can honestly say I have looked into my son's eyes only to not see him looking back, it was not him. Today he still struggles but is doing much better thanks to finding the correct medications and keeping on a regular schedule with his doctors and therapist. He now feels like he can talk to me about how feels vs holding it all inside before. I'm not excusing the crime, but she truly might not been in a "normal" state of mind.
Wow, thank you for sharing. I can't imagine how emotionally exhausting it is.
Compassionately relatable. Stay well.
❤
Same with my kiddo and I could have written everything you said. My heart hurts for this whole family, but my mama heart can't unsee she's a child.
I agree with you. I’ve had children on medication. I know the blank look. The flat look. The crime was horrific. But I don’t think she was in her right mind at all.
Please continue following. Your take is important to the community.
Trial is essentially over, its going to deliberations tomorrow
How did she not recognise him after telling her friend that he was coming home and to go into the garden? I can understand a parent not wanting to believe a child had done it but she interacted with her friend normally and didn't appear out of it..
So glad you're covering this trial. I've been watching it since day 1 of trial.
That’s 3 days. Don’t defense rest yesterday?
She doesn’t look horrified when they replay the videos…. Cold. Ice cold.
Yes, me too!
This judge truly appeared to struggle with his decision. He decided based upon erring on the side of the defendant. Tough call. Great way to handle the matter…egoless, thoughtful and with deep forethought.
Zoloft left me numb too, and when i weaned off of it, it was the worst time in my life. And lexapro! Omg! That threw me into a 12 hour panic attack!
I dont think these meds are properly studied, especially for children! Im not saying the meds made her do it, but theres really not enough information on what these meds do to a person, and how addictive they can be for someone who has been taking them for a long time and suddenly stopped.
If she looked like zombie or was just wandering around stone faced...maybe. But, she hid the gun, called her friends, shot her step dad like she SAID she would...then ran. She knew exactly what she was doing and why.
@@jackattack_8 when I say zombie, I mean emotionless. They left me without any emotions. Just like the doctor said she described herself. She looked pretty emotionless in that video. These meds have been known to cause suicidal tendencies. Why can't they also cause homicidial tendencies? After all, quite a few school shooters over the years were on anti anxiety meds too.
@SherryVulgamott
Yeah, I know what you meant. I know all about these kinds of drugs, I've been on most of them. She doesn't look anymore "emotionless" than she does any other time. But her calculated and thought out actions aren't because of any antidepressant. She wanted to do it, and she did.
@@jackattack_8 I never said her actions were because of the drugs. In fact I said "I'm not saying the drugs made her do it." I was commenting on how the drugs made me feel, because I know them too since I was also on them, like hundreds of thousands of other people are also taking these drugs.
@@SherryVulgamottgood point….
As a pharmacist, I do agree with what he has mentioned regarding the medications
As a teacher, the amount of meds (strong meds) doctors throw at children is mind boggling and scary.
@@Lauren-Bo-Bauren I agree with you.
SSRI’s have horrible side effects for young people. Suicidal and/or homicidal tendencies out of the blue. We need an overhaul of how we over medicate our children. It’s making things worse not better
Carly never cried except when showing videos of step dad and police not when showing her going to un alive her mom!
She is probably medicated and still in shock.
I noticed that too!! No real emotion for her mom
None for mom, eek for stepdad.
I think step-dad is so supportive of Carly because it's what his wife would have wanted. Full stop. He loved Ashley and Ashley loved Carly, so I feel he's just trying to fulfill what her last wishes would have been
Exactly my thoughts as well
Amen. What a kind man
That possibility honestly didn’t occur to me before you mentioned it, but your observation is really insightful. His assessment of Carly is primarily based on the imagery impressed upon him by his late wife, so of course he’s going to believe (or desperately *want* to believe) that she is a “sweet girl”.
I agree!
I think so too
Hello, hello! Thank you for working so hard to bring us such good coverage of these cases. We appreciate you!
This is by far the best account of this crime. Glad to hear it without the biases.
This case reminds me of an episode of Bull, which featured a 13-year old boy who was a sociopath and intentionally shot his brother in the head. Then everyone claimed it was an accident but it wasn’t. He was so calm throughout even when calling for help.
I get the same exact vibes from Carly. It may be hard for people to believe there are evil children out there but they do exist.
Yet, she told her friend she was waiting for him to come home to put 3 bullets in him! 🧐
Without the video, I could have gone with mental issues. The video she shows no emotion, very deliberate actions. She walked and got the gun, hid it behind her back. She walked into her room and shot her mom 3 times. Very cool, calm, collected.
With or without the video there is mental issues all over this!
Doing something so irrational and going about your day isn’t normal and would probably be considered some type of mental issue.
Yes! And when she “cries,” she hides her face with her hands behind her hair and when she removes her hands and raises her head, her face is dry and her eyes don’t show signs of tears…
See with me I think someone that does something so heinous and then just acting normal and like everything is ok - is what makes me think insanity. Being so nonchalant is huge red flags. She just sat down and started to text, then said something sweet to the dogs. That cannot be a mentally ok child.
@@edrathephoenixdid you not see her full on crying with discharge coming out of her nose?
@@edrathephoenixagree
Hello, Im a Psychotherapist and work with high risk children who are involved in the court system. The expert seems to me to be a very typical character in my field: older man with outdated knowledge that speaks with considerable confidence, but in reality is just stating his opinion that at times, seems far fetched or biased. The defendant absolutely has mental health issues, no one murders their parent if they dont. However her actions after the murder are absolutely not indicative of a psychotic break. Hiding the gun from the camera, calling friends, texting the step father, her calmness. I am not even remotely convinced that she was temporarily insane and the jury shouldnt be either. Also the medications she was on could definitely cause her mental health issues to worsen, however she had *awareness* during and after the murder. If she was having a reaction to the meds (psychotic break, dissociation) she would not have that level of awareness. You cannot blame the medication for this murder. The one and only mental health issue that I see as possible is if she were hearing voices that were telling her what to do. This seems to be a very good attempt at a mental health defense but I am not even remotely convinced that she did not know what she was doing.
I am bipolar 2. I started having issues when I turned 16. I had anxiety, depression, difficulty sleeping and self harm thoughts. However I did not kill my mother. I wasn’t diagnosed bipolar until I was 43. I did not know that I have a mental illness when I was younger. We did not talk about this growing up in the 70’s. I’m 60 and I have to state that this diagnosis is no excuse for murdering a person. I take meds everyday so I can function and work.
She knew what she was doing 🤦🏻!!
Finally, a TH-camr that can say dissociate instead of disassociate. Thank you, Peter. I know I'm annoying for even saying this, but it drives me up a wall when people say they're "diagnosed with disassociation" and it doesn't even make sense. If they were diagnosed with something that had that as a particular symptom, they'd probably actually know the word is "dissociate."
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It is ennoying of u to bring that up
@@WW-hn5yb that's what I said. Thanks for the reminder. I don't suspect that it would matter to someone like you, anyhow. Grammar, that is.
I don't know. Sometimes, people just can't grasp the pronunciation of words. Dyslexia and other learning disabilities exist.
@@deepstatethrombosis I find the mispronunciation most irritating from people on YT who claim to work in mental health. Everyone else gets a pass. But others need to realize that it’s like people who can hear pitch hearing someone sing off key
I have raised 4 teenage girls, the puberty changes, the emotional drama, and the close love/ hate relationship between mama and teen girl is very high strung. At times, mothers make decisions that girls do not understand, I feel Carley fired at her mother, no thought just because at that moment, hate won the battle.
But then she waited for her step dad to return and attempted to kill him...
Means don't leave loaded guns aeonnd for your teen to find
Me too 4 daughter's raised and I'm not buying this defense. She was a rebelious teenager and step dad slightly wounded because their relationship wasn't the same as the Mothers. I could go on and on
I'm not a mom but remember been a teen girl and you hit the nail on the head. The rollercoaster of emotions due to hormonal changes make any home a chaos box. 😊
@@rebalspirit yes but most don’t commit murder. She is dangerous and mentally off. She needs to be locked up for life as she is a ticking bomb that can be set off any time in her adult life.
My daughter started having suicidal thought at 9yo. They thru her on all kinds of medication, she was misdiagnosed at least 5 times before they could test her for the dmdd dx when she turned 18yo, she turned 18 in June and was just finally diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and schizo-affective disorder. I had to have her arrested 6 times from 10-17yo for beating the crap out of me my mother and father and total destruction of the house. Our story is very similar to this girl's. In terms of physical abuse by her father during my pregnancy and for the next year until the FBI and 5 local agencies took him away. These meds can be serious! Deadly serious. I just got her Our of her 5th psych ward Friday after I found her in a seizure from an overdose last Monday morning when I woke up. It's so hard to dx and find the right meds and treatment. My ❤ goes out to this family. My girls come out me and my mother with knives several times and often talks of voices and hallucinations. It's so hard trying to keep them safe from themselves.
Im soo sorry, my child has it also, Do not give up😊
Wow thank you for sharing. So important for others (myself included) to hear testimony from others in real crisis with insurmountable mental health issues. Things clearly spiraling out of control so quickly and services stretched thin as well as patience from both loved ones and experts. Sending strength to you and others trying to remain afloat. I don’t yet know what to think about this case. Ugh yet another case of unintentional consequences of loaded firearms available for a child to use.
I’m so sorry! If she’s on Adderall or a stimulant similar, I’d reconsider it. I was in and out of psychosis for 15 years on Adderall and misdiagnosed as bipolar 1. I’ve been off it 10 years now and haven’t had any delusions or hallucinations. If she’s not on it, then nevermind but just want to spread the word about that drug causing psychosis.
Ty. We're trying our best to work thru it. When she came at us with knives or was beating us, you could see her bright green eyes go solid black and she was just gone, it was not her. But trying to get the help she needed, they said they don't treat kids under 14yo. So it was a real struggle trying to find therapist and psychiatrists for her. Luckily, it was court ordered for us, So I was able to get her in at 9yo, but then they never believed what she said for years. With the courts and the help of NAMI we were able to get her into animal therapy and intensive outpatient therapy, but at her age she would never really talk. It's a process that's for sure and absolutely heartbreaking as a mom to know she's going thru this and there's literally no help for her unless court ordered. She's definitely one of those in that 1-2% where the anti depressants make her suicidal and homicidal. It's not her. But she just can't learn yet how to control it. We're still working on it everyday. I've had every knife in lock boxes since she was 10yo, as well as her meds. But her therapist said she needed to be more independent so I should let her manage her meds now that she's 18. This time she almost succeeded. The paramedics and Dr's said she had minutes to live. She'd been seizing and drowning in the foam coming out of her stomach, but she was so locked down in the seizure for about an hour more or less she couldn't call for help, then she was non verbal for 2 days. I think it's one of those if situations where you can't know what you don't know. It's miserable on the whole family (assuming the stigma doesn't make them keep it secret) and as a single parent, you get exhausted cuz, how do you sleep knowing they will probably snap in the middle of the night. I just feel for anyone experiencing this. I don't know if this case is like my daughter, but it sure as hell sounds like it. She can do bad things, and then be calm as could be admit what she did, never apologize because she can't. But she had no idea what she did was wrong because her brain is literally wired differently and her impulsivity and 'snaps' she thinks is how normal people act. Like in behavior analysis, most people assume everyone else thinks the same way as them. We're just programed to think that way. All that to say I feel for parents or families going thru this when it's absolutely real, rather than manipulation, and I hope Peter covers this more.
@@McLinz06 I’m so sorry and really hope things can improve as she gets older and her frontal cortext matures fully ❤️❤️❤️
I've been following this case. I love your perspective!
I watched the whole trial so far. Can’t wait to see what you think. The video is very damning for her. The last witness yesterday helped her a bit. I’m not holding my breath that it will be enough.
…I find this fascinating!… As someone that is responsible for documenting the adverse effects of medications, in a physicians office, I understand this physician’s testimony on her change in meds, her psychotic thoughts as (possibly)pertains to the mix of meds and her quitting meds “cold turkey”
w/o tapering the dose down
Fascinating case, regardless of the jury’s verdict
Cold turkey is so dangerous! especially with SSRIs (though not limited to them of course).
@@airypersiflage …Yes!… and… adding the Abilify at such a high dose, for a child is concerning.
And see I think it’s all just a load of BS because what we’re basically saying is her psychotic breakdown or her dissociation or whatever you want to call it just so happens to coincide with her mom finding out about her vaping and her burner phones and other bad behavior. That seems way too coincidental. If it was just a random day and the homicide didn’t happen under those circumstances then I could definitely at least entertain the idea of there being some kind of insanity, but it seems like a teenager who didn’t want her parents to find out what she was actually up to, and couldn’t handle it. And that might seem extreme, but I host a podcast myself and it’s almost an epidemic in terms of The number of cases we are seeing where teenagers and young adults will kill their parents before they will allow their parents to confront them over their lies and bad behavior. I can think of at least five cases off the top of my head where a teenager/young adult pretends to go to college for an extended period of time, and then once the parents find out or when their “graduation” is near, they would rather kill their parents than face the reality of their disturbing lies. This seems to fall right under that umbrella just a bit different circumstances.
And see I think it’s all just a load of BS because what we’re basically saying is her psychotic breakdown or her dissociation or whatever you want to call it just so happens to coincide with her mom finding out about her vaping and her burner phones and other bad behavior. That seems way too coincidental. If it was just a random day and the homicide didn’t happen under those circumstances then I could definitely at least entertain the idea of there being some kind of insanity, but it seems like a teenager who didn’t want her parents to find out what she was actually up to, and couldn’t handle it. And that might seem extreme, but I host a podcast myself and it’s almost an epidemic in terms of The number of cases we are seeing where teenagers and young adults will kill their parents before they will allow their parents to confront them over their lies and bad behavior. I can think of at least five cases off the top of my head where a teenager/young adult pretends to go to college for an extended period of time, and then once the parents find out or when their “graduation” is near, they would rather kill their parents than face the reality of their disturbing lies. This seems to fall right under that umbrella just a bit different circumstances.
As a human being who wasn't raised in a world of Adderall stepdads video games firearms and smartphones..... I think she's a mirror on your entire culture.
Get used to this .
Boy, this judge was so mad at the defense and prosecution yesterday!!
Wait till you see Thursday!! UFFA!!
peter, (RN here) the DSM-5 is used to diagnose ALL psychiatric disorders. each diagnosis has signs and / or symptoms, they must have a certain amount to be diagnosed with the matching disorder. it's not uncommon for providers to "play" with dosing and it can take 4-6 weeks to have a full effect, sometimes longer and doses should be tapered off. NEVER cold turkey. it sounds like she started with antidepressants and then moved on to anti- psychotics which can be controversial in under college age teens/young adults. "some" providers will max out doses & literally throw multiple medications at the wall (since different classes will work differently in the body) and see what sticks.
I be been on antidepressants for yrs i was on may dose of Zoloft 200mg and it wasnt as effective after a while, my Dr started me on Mirtazapine as well to help me sleep after my mum died, when i saw a psychiatrist she put me on quetiapine so at one point i was on all 3, although very low dose of Mirtazipine and quetiapine . She took me off Zoloft very gradually and started me on Venlafaxine, slowly increased the quetiapine and stopped Mirtazapine…… it was all very gradual and eventually…… nowadays ne venlafaxine and quetiapine i m the best i ve been for many years.
I haven’t finished listening yet but wanted to share that I have been using SSRIs most of my adult life (62 now). I tried Lexapro several years ago and it affected me horribly as soon as I started it. I was miserable and wanted to die. I can’t recall ever feeling so bad. My doctor said this particular drug can be a miracle for most patients but there’s no gray area. It either works miracles or the opposite occurs and drags you down very deeply.
Keep her in a rehabilitation/ mental hospital for about 30 years and see if things got better. Don’t think she should get life in prison
She had the opportunity the prosecution gave her a deal and she thought she was too smug and smart and manipulating that she would get nothing. They offered her 40 years with parole and she smiled and went now thanks she got exactly what she deserved jury. Got it right
I experienced same symptoms with med...did not take me long to get rid of that one! Scary stuff. I was a nurse and could not think! No way! What a sad sad situation.
Thank you for explaining about the judge telling the state to cross appeal. I was so lost when he said that.
Thank you, Peter, for juggling your law practice, TH-cam channel and your family life!
one time I was prescribed Elavil for pain, even though it was an anti depressant. I took only a 1/2 because I was nervous about taking it for pain.... I got to work... and I told my brother after 10 minutes working, that I felt like I was going to kill someone. Was so weird. Called my neurologist.... all he said was oh! stop taking it immediately... duh.....
She knew what she was doing there is nothing crazy about that child
Agree and disagree. I think she absolutely knew, but I think she had to be a bit out of her mind to shoot and try to kill both her mother and stepfather. Enough for insanity defense? I don’t think so. I think she was a messed up kid, and probably still is. I just don’t think she was insane and did this because of insanity.
She's crazy, but she doesn't have a mental health illnesses.
I’m so glad you are covering this! I’ve been following it for about a month now and I can’t wait to hear your input. The judge has had to reprimand the defense multiple times prior to the trial even starting, they had consistently told him that the psych evaluation was “going to be completed soon” and this was happening I believe more than a month after it was due. It’s crazy.
I am so glad you are covering this. Different type of case, always difficult when it involves mental health issues especially minors. I am a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner who sees a lot of adolescents who are struggling and cases like this and school shootings are my biggest fears - missing someone who would go on to do this 😢
I would love you to do another video after the verdict!❤
Happy Birthday to Mrs Tragos, have a wonderful time together! Love from Germany
The double negatives by the defense opening statement confuse the hell out of me.
What law school teaches that?
Yea. Bad.
Its a known tactic used to weave argument into opening statements (that IS taught in law school trial ad)
Fascinating!!!! Thank you for your time!!
Peter, so nice that you are covering this case. I have been watching this case recently, very interesting in many aspects.
Please make more videos a
about this case!
The challenge with mental health issues is that they are not necessarily evident. Someone suffering with these issues is not necessarily going to act crazy half the time, much less all the time. Additionally, it should be taken into account that the frontal lobe, usually responsible for our self-control may not have fully developed in a teen-ager. And unlike most of sciences, in mental health issues you can state there could be a correlation between medication and actions and behaviour, but it is not that easy to prove them beyond any reasonable doubt. It is very common for people suffering from bipolar disorder to distrust psychiatrists or psychologists. The main challenge for a professional dealing with a bipolar patient is to get them coming back to therapy. There is something that this expert said that I found a particularly troubling: the fact that she took herself from a medication from one day to the next, instead of gently reducing it.
So happy for this recap! Haven’t been able to follow and this catch up summary is welcomed!
Carly recognized her stepdad, that’s why she shot him. She told her friend she would shoot him and did.
I've been following these trial and when the judge made that ruling I immediately wanted to know your reaction! Thanks for covering this!
Going to the jury tomorrow after closing statements. Tried as adult and MS says if life sentence than there is no parole however the judge said there is life with parole also. The video gives Carly away. It shows her premeditation. I have watched it all. I believe she is 100% guilty not insanity. MS has a strict insanity defense and she does not meet the standards. Alot of people in chat today think the Stepdad and Carly have a very strange loving relationship with each other. 🤔 We shall see tomorrow when the jury gets it. 😮😮😮😮😮🎉
yes please talk about the Carly Gregg trial.
Orrrrrr he was the one that wasn’t recognizing HER because he didn’t truly know her dark side
I watched something on this trial for the first time yesterday and immediately wished Peter was covering it!!
Yes, please cover more of this trial. Thursday was another great day of testimony.
Thank you for your review of this case. Please keep following.
Whether Carly is found guilty or not, her life is ruined. She will always have to deal with the fact that she killed her mother.
So even more trauma to add. Can she be trusted not to kill again?
I’m sure she doesn’t care.
Well I for one don’t want her in the society where she may kill again.
Don't think it bothers her tbh..
This is not the brightest take.
I was hoping you would cover this. Gisela from Grizzlies has been covering this. So interesting of a case. I am torn about the insanity because she contacted friends and a tall boy came over, standing outside waiting for Carly to come out after shooting her stepdad.
Please cover this live. I love the way you break down and give you legal viewpoints. ❤
Grizzly stopped covering it mid day yesterday bc she couldn’t handle it, or handle how bad her chat was.
Peter doesn’t follow live bc of his schedule. Tomorrow this goes to deliberations, it will be interesting to see what the verdict is.
The dad seemed off to me. He didn’t act like his wife was murdered.
I 20-% agree. He appears as though he is on drugs, responding with his eyes closed.
My same thoughts...has flat affect and very poor eye contact... He dies seem off!
I feel like they have him on some type of medication because that’s quite some trauma to go through. I mean when you really think there’s an intruder and then find out it’s your stepdaughter trying to blow your brains out and it was already blown her mother‘s brains out she was diabolical cold. She’s got a black heart and the jury got it right
Peter, as a lawyer, albeit a civil medical malpractice attorney, I totally agree with your analysis regarding the judges ruling on the experts opinion. The Judge should have reasoned it out the way that you did and excluded just that part of his opinion. It seems there would’ve been no harm no foul. I have seen too many judges, even in the civil realm rule against black letter law, and admitting that they were doing so. In some instances, I think it was because they knew very well which side would move to file an interlocutory appeal and which side wouldn’t. It is somewhat analogous to the reasoning in this criminal trial. Thanks for what you do. I really enjoy watching your channel.
The one thing I do agree with the defense expert… the affect of quitting Zoloft cold turkey and starting Lexapro right away. It could’ve caused issues. She should’ve been monitored by her parents with the medication. Her parents also left guns unlocked so why would they monitor medication?
I couldn't serve on this jury because I have a child with mental health issues.... Medicine and therapy help a lot, but some of the medicines help some and worsen others. My child was started on Prozac and within a week or so, he threatened to k*** our whole family. We had to take serious action to keep him and us safe. It was a scary time. If he had not told us he was going to k**** us we may have been in the same boat.
So sad.
I’m sorry, i empathize. My family has been through the same. Ironically prozac was the very first med her pediatrician put her on, at the urging of school officials. I regret allowing her to be put on the meds, it was a rollercoaster for years!
@@MsK_1111 Prozac is first line antidepressant choice for children and adolescents. It is an amazing medicine for some, not so much for others. It is hard to know.
Such a sad case. What it really shows is don't loaded guns around