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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Jay returns for a game of Battletech as he fields the 3rd Edition plastics agains the new Wave 2 Catalyst Mechs in a 200 Ton skirmish between his Inner Sphere Mercs and Comstar!
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I'm not a rules wizard. I'm pretty sure when a mech falls the pilot has to take a seat belt check to see if the mech warrior gets hurt. If the mech warrior is hurt then you take consciousness check. Love the content. Your doing great work for battletech
Yup, if they pass they don’t get hurt, if they fail they take a wound and a consciousness check.
I’ve lost a very good Atlas one game to my pilot tripping his mech up, face planting, falling unconscious and watching the enemy mechs get immobile shots against him.
Let’s just say he didn’t survive the turn to get back up
Also, 20 points of damage taken is supposed to be a piloting check to see if you fall down..last session we did a Lance vs Lance, and must have seen 7 or 8 falls
There are *lots* of incorrect rules here... from using the wrong chart for the initial LRM damage, to some questionable to-hit modifiers, to rolling LRM damage groups to SRMs... While I am glad they are putyin Fb out content, I hope they are getting better...
Tonnage is ok when your tech base is the same, but you will probably have a bad time doing IS vs Clan with tonnage.
Even comstar vs other inner sphere is pushing it a bit. Com Guards aren't clan but their hardware is quite a bit better than most.
This was a pretty cool cartoon as a kid it battle tech is the us version of macross which in my opinion was less corny then the japanese version but the singing in it was horrible cringe.
It's over 40 years old. Oh wait that's Robotech im thinking of nevermind carry on.
@@locarno24- Comstar vs 3050 Inner Sphere Tech is fine. If it's CS3050 vs IS3025, bad deal for the IS!
Your improvement on battletech rules is solid. Still some mistakes but fun to see the progress. Sometimes mechs just refuse to die. Like two pieces of swiss cheese fighting it out.
"Nothing is more buoyant than eighty tons of steel."
"Laughs in mech"
Love it
Idk if they changed the rules since the last time i played, but going in the water used to be a death sentence, 1 in 6 chance of a head shot with my PPC, yes sir!
@@LordSathar They did actually change that! It used to be that you were rolling on the punch location table in that scenario, now you're rolling on the full location table but anything that would hit the legs just doesn't do damage.
I think for you guys running a campaign may be good for you to get the fun full experience with this game.
A simple set up is to choose an era - clan, succession wars, fedcom, etc - and roll up/form a company of mech (or a star/binary for clans or a under strength Level III for comstar etc) by either selecting a set BV value you can both work to, or doing the Campaign book set up with rolling for mechs and pilots.
I think a campaign for both of you would be good as it’ll allow you to use your mechs in a range of scenarios but also to have it that losing them is important - and having damage and pilots carry over between games also helps.
"He's no longer a-mong-ouse" is peak level canadian dad joking! I'm not saying that your BT reports have gotten me hyped for BT, but your videos have totally gotten me hyped for BT. And great to see Jay back on the channel again!
Full-crunch battletech AND a canticle for Leibowitz reference? It's a glorious day!
not to mention tukayyid lorefight
I can't wait til the new minis come to retail.
Your battletech coverage got me hooked on battletech. Working on the gray death legion books as well as painting them up and some Royal Black Watch. :)
Think this is a game you could play solo?
I hope you left in enough mistakes to inspire certain levels of rage.
Ash, I blame and thank you for your coverage of Battletech AGoAC. It brought me back to my childhood in the best way and inspired me to actually learn how to play the game.
I hope you continue to make videos for this game, and Alpha Strike, as Catalyst releases more material. I’d especially love to see you incorporate Aerotech or even fight a starship battle with Warships, fighters, and Dropships.
Everyone is loving the canticle for leibowitz reference, but I had to stop and thumbs up/comment for the miami vice reference. Crocket in his white lambo had me snorting my morning coffee out my nose! Loving the new catalyst minis. I was a late backer so I only just got my wave 1 miniatures last month, can't wait to paint them up and get some games in.
Awesome Bat Rep. love all the Battletech content🤘🏻
Love the Classic Battletech reports, I hope you keep them coming! Something I noticed twice was that I think you’re missing the +1 to TMM for jumping. @18:34 and @19:37 both jumps should have been +2 to TMM (+1 for distance moved and +1 for shooting at a target that jumped). Ash wouldn’t have hit on at least one or two shots at the Grasshopper. Love the paint jobs and just the fact that Classic Battletech is making it into Batreps! Thank you!
I really need to get in to battle tech, such a cool game
@6:56 normally you use the dice to show your moment modifier not the number of hexes you moved. So if you Ran (black dice) 2 hexes, that would be a 0 modifier, so you would show a 6 on the die not 2.
Omg that Highlander and Crockett are AMAZING
This channel is awesome 👌. Battletech is such a great tireless game. Played it many times and love it. Wish I lived near you guys, would love to do some gaming with you guys. Thanks for the great content.
18:30 - +2 TMM for the Grasshopper - 1 for moving 3-4, plus one for jumping.
Awesome report, love seeing the old and newer models for size comparison.
Great to see another game of classic Battletech, still a few errors but nothing game breaking - although great to see you guys catch so many as you play. Keep them coming. The mechs look great on the field too.
Probably biggest error is you can't combine running with backwards movement, and firing lines are decided by the defender.
LOVE your classic Btech content!!!!
That tukayyid battlemat looks really nice!
Always fun for a big Battletech slugfest. A brutal amount of headshots!
Straight up Mech brawling is always a good time
Remember kids "Pay your HPG bills!"
Yes please more battletech!!
39:50 When the LOS passes exactly between two hexes, as it does here, the TARGET chooses which hex it passes through for the purposes of determining visibility and modifiers. You couldve went point blank into his bacmeats and punched him in the shins for good measure
Yeah! Finally another one! These deserve so much more views! Still, thanks for doing them
Tears of joy
CAM ON SPACE AT&T
BANG BANG
BANG BANG BANG
Ok I have some questions (pushing up my glasses). I belive you guys did SRM damage wrong. I know it use to be divided in groups of 2 damage per missle. I also think LBX autocannon divides it damage in clusters because they are basicly shot guns.
I completely admit I'm not expert I havent played in a while. Things could also have changed in this edition.
Yeah Srm damage is always in groups of 2. For LBX autocannons it depends if they are shooting cluster or solid rounds , and each ammo container needs to be marked with what kind of rounds it contains.
You can opt to shoot normal ammo (slugs) with the LB X. But you must choose before the game which ammo you have with you for each ton of ammo the mech has.
Yeah. I've got to read up on that stuff. I hadn't played Battletech for 15+ years prior to this game. I definitely need to go back an re-read some rules.
@@worlds-in-conflict ok man I've been watching this channel since day one, and I love it when your on. You guys are always laughing and having fun. Some of the best games on the channel. Also if there is anyone who needs to pilot the gonzo Axeman, and Hatchetman mechs sir it has to be you. Take care and I can't wait to see the next round.
@@rwillis3054 thanks very much! I would definitely be down for some crazy melee mechs. Might have to look into that...Iron Wind Metals here I come?
One thing I noticed: Falling damage is clustered like a LRM.
Been watching and learning while finishing my 40k, IG. This game on the surface looks complex, and it is in ways, but just makes so much sense. These inspired me to just go all in, and the nice thing was the price of admission was only a fraction of getting into 40k. I love 40k though, not a dig. Can't wait to paint these up and play.
It doesn’t help that he’s getting a ton of rules wrong and isn’t even using the 2d6 system the game is designed around, leading to skewed probabilities regarding hit locations and critical hits. It’s entertaining, but just assume they aren’t playing anything mechanically close to BT.
15:06 "Have you ever fired your gun up in the air and gone 'AAAAH'?"
"No I have NOT fired my gun up in the air and gone 'aaaaaaah'!"
When you fight a war like zhukov, you're going to lose a few bodies.
Tex reference, it is noted.
Yes, give me more CBT
So. Many. Dad. Jokes! 😂. Love to see Battletech and Jay!
Your Comstar paint job looks much better in this vid. Great work!
I love that you're playing this, don't stop. Now for the other side, more mordheim please. Also, I'm no expert on the ruleset, but from my recollection srm are clustered down to individual missiles. So an SRM 6 that hits with 5 missiles rolls 5 locations. I also believe that the LB10X does clustered damage if you use the clustered ammo, otherwise it would just be an ac10 with better to hit.
For LBX ammo you have to choose between slug ammo or cluster ammo. Each type of ammo takes up 1 ton of weight.
For a LBX 10 cluster shot you roll on the LRM 10 missile table which determines how many shots hit. Then you roll a hit location for each point of damage. It’s definitely a crit seeker weapon :).
srms group in 2s
It is insane how many different types of Mechs there are. It would be a logistic's nightmare to build, repair and train soldiers to fight with 50+ different types of Mechs.
That's why omni mechs exist
Most House Units & Mercenary Units with ties to 'em, have their own unique Mech stables. & their stables largely revolve around their preferred Strategies & Tactics. Meaning they usually only hafta be taught their prospective Houses way of fighting.
For example: Free Worlds Leaguers [House Marik] are famed for their Medium Jumping Mechs. Therefore their Mechwarriors need to learn to Pilot Jumping Mediums. Those who can't handle Medium Jumpers or show a better proficiency in other roles &/or proficiencies fill non-standard [to the FWL, of course] Mechs/roles.
Of course Marik still has their own unique, non-Medium &/or Jump, Mechs. There's really/combatively very few Mechs that are common to more than 1 House. So all FWL's Mechwarriors need to learn are their stable of Battlemechs & the ubiquitous Mechs.
Captured enemy Mechs are hard to maintain. [Machining & engineering & etc. are different from Mech to Mech.] It's easier, far more manageable to strip enemy Mechs or re-fit them to the new Houses specifications. Basically it'd be a logistics nightmare to maintain any kinda meaningful numbers of non-House Mechs.
So those Mechs become science projects to find weaknesses, to make a version for the new Houses stable, or become 'OpFor' training Mechs. In the details of loadsa Mechs that were derived from, based on other Mechs. & not just on, like trying to build a better Wasp. But also making this enemy Mech into one that's compatible with their production line.
Blaster was here... & apologizes for tmi I'm plus the way back when, many moons ago callback!
[I'm just getting back [35yrs~ ago!] into BT, by way of GMG/Ash+Jay's video series. All the awesome awesomeness nostalgia can't be controlled. Hope this helps & doesn't bug!]
A Canticle for Liebowitz reference? A total win
Not I'm type of game but IT'S JAY DAY!!!! so I had to watch lol keep up the good work Ash.
"Blam'ing the blam blams"... that's technical battletech terminology right? 😆 this game looks cool
YOU DIDN'T REROLL THE ENDO STEEL?!?!?!?!!? OMG!!!!
definitely doing a lot better, couple of mistakes mostly from Jay, he kept forgetting to calculate his movement penalty to his to hit numbers so he was making much easier shots on you a lot of times (all the shots on the Mongoose missed turn 2), also at least once he forgot to calculate turning into his movement (turn 3 the grasshopper turned once walked 5 then forgot to turn and stepped in a new direction once more for:6 which should have been 7 with the turn that got missed)
Other than that not sure it actually came up, but water only doubles heatsinks that are submerged, usually just heat sinks in the legs. Alse Water is a little crazy ruleswise so people often try to avoid it, requires piloting checks if you attempt to run in anything below depth 0 or something like that. Don't remember all the rules for it but there is a lot of complications with water, for example if you enter water any areas stripped of armor that are submerged are instantly destroyed as the area floods, means falling in water is real bad
also when you are on a line like with the mongoose behind the level 2 hill behind the enforcer, so the mongoose would declare if it wanted to see the enforcer or not, the enforcer would also declare if it wanted to be seen or not. If both declared they could see each other than there would actually be line of sight, otherwise neither could see each other. Whether or not the mongoose is shooting into the back of the enforcer is declared similarly, although in this case if they could both see and shoot at each other than the mongoose would be shooting into the back ark of the enforcer.
Hi Ash. I wish that I could click the like button multiple times for these classic Battletech videos, but I can't. I also remember that in another one of your videos you said that you did not like painting the Comstar mechs all white, and wanted another scheme. Comstar paints their mechs white for special occasions/parade dress, but uses camouflage for combat operations contrary to that book cover's illustration. If Comstar goes into a fight with white mechs it is because they did not have time to repaint them before sending them into the fight. This will let you paint them another scheme that you might like better. 🙂 One quick note: That mech that you have been calling the Lancelot is the Sentinel. The Lancelot has a large laser for each arm.
Yeah that’s pretty much all battletech units. In combat they drop the brigade/uniform colours for proper camouflage, however when out of combat/on garrison they stick with parade/brigade colours - note brigade in this case refers to the units that all fall under the same unit designation (I.e. Avalon Hussars, Sword of Light, Lyran Guards, Lyran Regulars, etc)
And yeah it’s why Comstar went into Tukiyyad with mostly white mechs as they didn’t have time to camo the entire store of em, so kept what they had white for the most part and focused more on setting the battlefield and training up their pilots - and bribing all their combat forces together on a single planet in the first place cost lots of time too.
51:17 ENF is not in Mongoose's rear arc. You can check the diagram in the rulebook. The rear arc for targetting extends for 2 hexes in a straight line from the targets rear, then expands to 3 hexes wide for 2 more hexes of range, then to 5 and so on. Also the ENF has the ammo feed problems design quirk, that requires a jam check every time the weapon is used.
At 1:24:30 I thought you can’t run backwards
You can't
If you wanna die of alcohol poisoning, take a drink every time they make a rules mistake.
Awesome game once again. Plastic page protectors and white board markers....
playing tonnage V tonnage. shaaaame on you pals XD
no but in all seriousness this was a great video and i hope to see more. maybe go battlevalue or c-bills in the future though.
I thought you take piloting skill rolls for every water hex you move in?
Only depth 1 or higher.
More Battletech! Awesome!!!!! 🥰🥰
Comstar!
Not sure if anyone told you this in past months (probably someone did) but jumping mechs not only get +3 To-Hit modifiers for themselves, they also add 1 to their movement modifiers, because of their jumping, as jumping mechs considered harder to hit. So jumping 4 hexes would actually give you TMM 2 not TMM 1.
the odds of 4 dice coming up same number is something like 1 in 1200
More Btech! Keep it coming!
Heh, I was typing up a note to say the Mongoose should have lived when you guys realised the ER Large only does 8 damage...
I think games like this show how balancing by tonnage can work - if you've got roughly similar numbers, everyone is a 4/5 pilot, and nobody takes anything too good (like try fighting a Nightsky or a Wraith with anything 50 tons that isn't a jumping pulse boat) or too bad (like try fighting an Awesome with a Charger) and you get a decent game.
2:53 thats a sentinel buddy
No one is using a Hatchetman or an Axeman Mech melee weapons are always ridiculous and fun..
Soon. Very soon
The hatchetman is so crippled by having three medium lasers on the same arm that’s holding the hatchet. If you’re gonna melee, you can’t use the lasers and vice versa.
Ash, my question is, when are you going to paint up Team Bonzai?
lead wall candies wtf lmao
The odds of four 1’s back to back is 1 in 1296. So… unlikely, but not… like…. Astoundingly if you roll enough dice. XD
Hey Guys, where do you get the game mats from? I have had a hunt around but can’t find that one?
Those are the official Catalyst ones so they 'should' be available on their website and anywhere else their stuff is sold but unfortunately due to their popularity they are frequently out of stock. Try backordering one with your FLGS and hopefully they can get you one next time their distributor restocks.
Are we gonna see any more alpha strike battle tech. The fast paced game play is a more compelling watch for me.
This, or Battletech:Destiny by Death From Above Wargaming, which combines the best of Battletech Classic and Alpha Strike.
I have never played mechwarrior tabletop heh, but from what i know of the rules the ultra ac 5 should have been able to fire twice with a chance of jamming heh, but you never chose to ? was just wondering why heh
200 Ton Comstar vs IS its kinda unfair with the tech advantage CS possess over the Inner Sphere (kinda like the Clans). Hope you guys switch to BV soon, it's so much better to build equal lists that way.
We literally got the opposite comment last game hahahha
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Weird. You can use the Master Unit List to build armies using BV quite fast though. It's so much more balanced that way. Either way, love your BT videos, keep it up!
Comments on the last game where we did exactly that were ‘Battle value is a joke… the only real way to balance the game is tonnage’. Lol I feel like this entire game just comes down to personal preferences because you’re operating from such a huge menu boiled down to like two or three units. I’m always going to have someone tell me their way is the right one I think.
That said I much preferred how Bv let me account for pilot skills as well. :) we’ll figure out what we like eventually!
I don't think there is a way to balance battletech. I think tonnage is close enough with lots of external balance
...like 2 IS tons per 1 clan tonnage 1.5 comstar vs IS etc. It is a simpler game from a simpler time.
Armor, move, heat efficiency, jump jets, weapon output and then skill rating make it effectively impossible to truly balance.
The reason I love this game is it is next to impossible to be ultra competitive with it. Games tell stories and the players have to talk about expectations and scenario focus.
@@danrumley6265 Playing with tonnage to balance lists is like playing 40k Space Marines vs Orks, playing similar model count in both armies. Exaggerated, but maybe you catch my drift. I like using BV, as it takes into account tech levels, pilot skills and so on. Otherwise a 3025 50 ton Mech would still be a 50 ton Mech but with much better tech in 3150...
Awesome. But... what's with those thick record sheets?? I need to know they look great.
Thanks! I had Staples drymount them on foamcore and laminate them. That way I can dry-erase and re-use them.
@@worlds-in-conflict oooo I've laminated mine. But I'm loving the idea of foamcore laminating. Thanks for the idea!!
I have a special place in my heart for classic Battletech...but Alpha Strike is just so much more playable on a reasonable time.
Wats the name of that map ??
At 19:37 the mech jumps. It fires into the rear/side of the other light mech at 26:31, but you forgot to add the +3 penalty for jumping - it should've been hitting on a 4+3+3. Jumping is awesome but boy does it kill your damage potential. (P.S. love your daily content so I usually watch batreps from you while learning a new game and that means comments on older videos c: )
Doesn't help that it took a shot to the face right after.
I just had time to zap through this … do you use D20 for heat instead of writing it down and erasing it?
Well Dang in all my years of playing battletech why didn’t I think of that! Stealing this idea :)
That’s it yeah!
head hits wound the pilot and require a conciousness check.
Will these models have a regular release or are you out of luck if you missed the Kickstarter?
They’re out now!
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Nice!
What map is this? It looks fantastic
Er large laser doung 12 pts of damage? Um. That's not right. There was a prototype zeus with a binary large laser Canon (12 Damage for 16 heat) but that only has an lrm 10...
No it's not. I realized a few minutes later that I read (I think) the heat instead of the damage. We changed the damage and put the mech back in the fight but it was a mistake on my part.
@@worlds-in-conflict I noticed that you realised the mistake (and the Mongoose got back up) but you should really have finished firing off your other guns. They had already been declared so you'd have the hear from them anyway. The Mongoose might have stayed down anyway.
On the other hand you did make me look for a version of the Zeus that had a 12 damage laser (what are the chances that it was actually a thing?)... so cheers for that.
I thought I had all of the Battletech map packs. Is this swampland a new map?
From the new KS wave!
I didnt think cluster rounds did all the damage to one location. I thought it scattered like a shotgun.
Haha Dad bod version 😂
Where did that hex map come from? I can’t find neoprene ones…
Hey love btech reports. Uhm in what world can a mech lose its head but keep running around? Mongoose was dead turn 2....likely would have led to a pretty quick game.
I think it just lost its head armor and got 1 point of internal damage.
@@KujakuDM nah mongoose took 12 points Zeus was 1 internal
Mechs have 6 points of structure in the head. Still had 5 left.
YESSSS MORE BT BATREPS
Is a PSR still a thing for entering water?
why dont you 3d print (filament or resin) your own
New to Battletech. Where is the game board from? Is that in one of the Battletech boxed sets?
It’s the Rasice River Delta Tukayyid battle mat from CGL.
Which battle mat is this?
One of the Tuukayid ones!
Jesus 3 minis per side and still takes 2 hours this game is WILD
Yeah it can drag...they did some pieces wrong that would have shortened it...on the flip side they also aren't great at the game yet so weren't maximizing not being hit. I would say adding a couple of more mechs per side would not add much time. The extra punch from combined shots kills stuff pretty fast.
are you guys gonna do more alpha strike stuff? that game is amazing
The misinterpretation of rules is high in this one…
Where can we by the neoprene tuckyaid map?
Catalyst will be selling them!
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames , thanks !!! Great videos!!!
They're available at retail as a set of 4 double-sided paper maps, and will be out soon as 4 separate mats, they're part of the Kickstarter that's being fulfilled at the moment and will be hitting retail sometime after that's complete.
1:24:25 you can't run backwards
11 isnt short range for lrms its medium
Gotta be honest, I prefer the old Highlander and Cyclops sculpts.
TOO MANY ADS
Wow. Custom rules mixed with a D12, mixed with incorrect application of rules across the board. Hard pass on this channel
🤪how many damn mistakes y'all gon make🤣🍁🍷🧐🎩why can't nobody in the world get these goddamn miniatures🤔🛒🙄except for people with TH-cam channels🤗🤖😘