Gaslands - Very simple post apocalyptic car wargame played with customized hotwheels and matchbox cars, very cheap to get into, rules are very well written and streamlined, and just hunting around for cool diecast cars becomes a hobby in and of itself, and me and my group have even taken to buying cars just to trade them with eachother.
@@The.Game.Cave. In the modern wargaming scene its a must try, most people build their cars with left over weapon bits from 40k models since everyone in that scene has entire drawers of unused bits.
Thanks for the nice feedback. 😊 Gangs of Rome is an interesting one. I like the look of the starter bundle Footsore currently offers. Before kids/job I'd have been all over this sort of campaign game. So many games - and not enough time!
Great List! Mantic Deadzone and FireFight are awesome and fun games as well. Great synergy between those two games. Mantic's upcoming Epic Warpath also looks amazing. And I am really looking forward to try Halo: Flashpoint, that is based on the Deadzone rules, but made even more accessible with prebuild minis and easy setup. That looks fun as well. I will try to play that with my board game friends, who are a bit intimidated by war games.
I agree that Deadzone and Firefight are really good games. There's a special place in my heart for my GCPS army! I am watching the new HALO game with interest. As you say, it could be a great way to get people into the hobby. 😊
@@The.Game.Cave. I have never played Mutant: Year Zero. Also looks very interesting as a gate way game to war gaming. It has a similar accessible approach as Halo: Flashpoint, so I will be looking into that as well. But overall I think that the grid movement from Deadzone, that Halo: Flashpoint also will adopt, could be something my board game friends would appreciate.
Good video! Having fun should be number one thing for any game. There are so many great wargames out there, I just wish more people would get out of the GW bubble.
Thanks - I do try to prioritise having a laugh when I play games. The dice can be cruel - but some of the most calamitous games can end up providing the best stories!
@altertroll9135 Those are some great games too. I must give Deadzone another try. I'm also interested to see how Star Wars Legion 2nd edition pans out. The response so far seems a bit mixed.
Thoroughly enjoyable video and, crucially, championing some incredibly underrated/under loved systems. I had to back out of the Zone Wars KS at the last minute then it slipped off my radar entirely so I'm just off to watch some reviews and, very probably, order it. Edit to add - Anyone else REALLY want to go to Carl's house to play these? What a range of boards and terrain!
Glad you enjoyed the vid. 😊 Zone Wars is well-worth checking out. Thanks for the kudos on the gaming set-up - I realise that im a lucky feller with all these games to play!
@@mattyouyou2590 Absolutely - as I say in the video, it's always fun! I filmed a 3-player game of Zone Wars the other night. I will put it on the channel once I've edited it.
@greywanderer5935 I love the openness and list building of KoW - Alessio Cavatore did a great job with the rules. With bigger units, I sometimes find the buckets of dice a bit unwieldy. Definitely a fun game, though! 🙂
Great video, I wasn't familiar with several of your picks, so I really enjoyed this one. I've primarily played Grimdark Future Firefight with 40k models and I'm just starting to build terrain and a model collection for the solo/co-op fantasy game Rangers of Shadow Deep, which is a real pleasure to leaf through at the moment.
@@Christian_from_Copenhagen I am partial to a bit of Firefight too - but there are so many great games out there that I do flit about! I’ve not played Rangers of Shadow Deep, though I do hear good things.
@The.Game.Cave. ... are you aware of a company named Iglootree? 🤔 The gentleman running it has some truly interesting not mainstream companies' little games in stock... I bought a few, essily understable rules, nicely designed. Low prices. I have been living in Norway for the last two years, and there's a Swedish company named Free League Publishing (more RPG, but few tabletop games) trying to bring different settings.
My list is - 1 - Carnevale, 2 - Killteam, 3= 7TV and Star/Frost Grave. Have not played enough yet but Cyberpunk combat zone could make it very hard to choose a top 3.
Carnevale has certainly tempted me a few times. I love the diversity of gangs on offer. I've also just seen the gangs for the new Killteam box - and they do look cool.
@fredgilbert2032 That's a real shame. I don't know what shipping costs are like to move stuff across the pond...The starter set is not physically large. It seems mad for makers of the game to leave such a large market untapped.
It had a decent following during the 1st edition I think, but the uncertainty and doominess of Hawk Wargames demise seemed to have turned most people off, and onto other things
@@ProdigiousReturn I've had some great games with my daughters - they are partial to Heroquest and Dixit at the moment. Battlelore 2nd edition is Game of Thrones themed, isn't it?
@@The.Game.Cave.I bought heroquest but haven’t opened it yet. Battle lore 2e was generic fantasy, there was another commands and colors system themed game of thrones though too
This last Christmas, Olilie's Margin Outlets introduced me to Rivet Wars for $17. I through my enjoy playing that game even though every unit dies at some point of another. (The Blight player got out the biggest unit in the starter set totally maxed out with all the options. It was destroyed before it could fire during its second turn). I've been buying stuff off the internet and this game makes me smile every rime.
@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 Back in the day, I absolutely loved Mordheim - and don't understand why GW hasn't produced a new edition. Necromunda has great fluff and models. Both games - in my humble opinion - suffer from having one too many rolls in the attack process. To hit, to wound and to save can create a frustrating loop where you keep 'almost' doing something! Fully understand your love, though.
Thanks! DFC is a great game - it just takes a while to play. The second edition will be out some time this year - and I am really hoping it will streamline gameplay. I plan to cover it on the channel. 😊
@robhamper6001 It's quite a mix. I used mainly the ColorEd range from Plastcraft (great but hard to get now), and a Firestorm Planetfall Terrain set (PFTB01). I often use the terrain from the Battletech Alphastrike starter box. This is great for smaller buildings in DZC. Thanks for watching. 🙂
Good list. I'd like to add two miniatures games that are guaranteed fun as well. These two are elegantly written so are easy to learn and teach, have great starter sets, low model density, tons of figures to choose from, don't need a big play space and are not only loads of fun but are just, in every way, unique in setting and mechanics. Carnevale and Rumbleslam. If you've not seen or played these before then do yourself a huge favor and check them out.
@@willtijerina5149 I have looked at Carnevale several times - for just the reasons you give! I came close to picking up the starter set at this year's UK Games Expo.
Really looking forward to what they do with dropstrike or what they are calling the game where it focuses on furnishes between units. Don’t think they have quite got the rules down yet but am awaiting the kickstarter
@Aneirinprime That'll be Striketeam Commander. I agree completely - it looks great. I do wonder how they will handle the verticality of combat inside a multi-story building, though. Some level of abstraction may be needed.
I tried DZC years ago a guy demo it for me and i didn't enjoy it , but he was one of those guys thats crushes all people as fast as possible with his OP lists . So the game didn't get a fair crack witj me
@paulcrowther4514 I enjoyed Necromunda back in the day. Having played it more recently, I found it frustrating. As with lots of GW rules systems, there are several steps to success - fail one of them, and you fail. That might be OK with a squad of troops - some miss, some fail to wound, etc. but some achieve hits - but for an individual a single misstep along the way equals a fail. I don't like that personally.
I am using the Dust Tactics Battlefield rulebook, along with the Dust Tactics 2014 Forces Deck. Rules and models for Dust 1947 may be easier to get hold of - though they are not readily available either, I'm afraid. A new edition of Konflict 47 is in the works, if you want another way to scratch that Weird War itch.
I've got some reservations about Dropzone (not that it isn't a good game, but the buy in, set up, rules, and just availability sort of takes it off my list).... I feel like MCP is a great call, and I should check out Mutant Year Zero (I have the rpg books). I have to echo another commenter that Deadzone by Mantic should be getting some love... I also think Moonstone by Goblin King Games is one that everyone should try out... I know it just dropped, but Fallout: Faction (not Wasteland Warfare!!) is another on that looks like it follows the Mutant Year Zero style of "here's a box, you are good to go (with maybe a bit more gluing). And I'll just throw out my honorable mention in the form of RelicBlade by Sean Sutter... fantastic little game with fun models and great easy to pick up rules.
@SciFiPorkChop28 Thanks. There are some cool games on your list. I may have to look at adding some Deadzone content to the channel at some point. I think Mantic, as a company, have a great outlook. Regarding Dropzone, I think availability outside the UK might be an issue. The initial buy-in isn't too bad IMHO, as the starter sets and expansion boxes are such good value.
Only issue with Dust (Dust 1947? Dust Tactics?) is they are out of print and the company shut down... so there are a lot of older products still available, but some stuff is rare as hen's teeth.. so bit of a struggle to keep the game going locally.. great game though... miss it.
I agree - it's a real shame the game is hard to get now. I am somewhat hopeful that the new iteration of Konflict '47 might breathe life into this particular wargaming niche. They have been hiring some talented writers and designers.
@JamesClark-j5l Some models are still available, but nothing new. I mentioned it in passing, as it is a great setting and system - and games have a habit of being reborn, so you never know...
I thought Dropzone Commander was no longer being supported, at least for the infantry and ground vehicles. Is that so? Or is there a place to get the minis other than ebay, etc...?
@@henrycampau3830 It's very much alive and kicking. TT Combat bought the game when Hawk Wargames went the way of the dodo. You can buy directly from them, but plenty of companies in the UK stock the game - Wayland Games and Goblin Games to name but two.
Production of DZC is really pretty good for the size of the company, but this is what I'm saying - in a lot of people's minds in died back with Hawk, and TTCombat - somehow - haven't managed to get the word out enough that it's back and thriving
@@andrewbeeching1240 yeah... they (TTCombat) just showed off a picture of the new rulebook for DropFLEET that is coming... so they are still working on stuff but it does seem to be a bit ad-hoc at times and not really well distributed (but that's a common issue with TTCombat, right?)
GW should pay more attention to videos like this . while they have some amazing minis, the GAMES themselves leave a lot to be desired sometimes. not a single GW product on the 5 game list.
Like a lot of players, I started with GW games - but found the outdated mechanics and constant rules-bloating became a chore. That said, I like the Middle Earth Strategy Game and will probably pick up the new edition.
That's tricky, given the different prices from one country to the next. What I will say is that the Dropzone Commander starter set and army boxes are outstanding value.
Gaslands - Very simple post apocalyptic car wargame played with customized hotwheels and matchbox cars, very cheap to get into, rules are very well written and streamlined, and just hunting around for cool diecast cars becomes a hobby in and of itself, and me and my group have even taken to buying cars just to trade them with eachother.
It's not a game I've played, but some Mad Max style vehicle mayhem sounds like great fun!
@@The.Game.Cave. In the modern wargaming scene its a must try, most people build their cars with left over weapon bits from 40k models since everyone in that scene has entire drawers of unused bits.
Can't recommend gaslands enough! 👍👍
So nice to hear a video where the presenter is both happy, AND well-informed! Subscribed! I highly recommend Gangs of Rome.
Thanks for the nice feedback. 😊
Gangs of Rome is an interesting one. I like the look of the starter bundle Footsore currently offers. Before kids/job I'd have been all over this sort of campaign game.
So many games - and not enough time!
Nice short descriptions. Going to check out some of these.
Great List!
Mantic Deadzone and FireFight are awesome and fun games as well. Great synergy between those two games. Mantic's upcoming Epic Warpath also looks amazing. And I am really looking forward to try Halo: Flashpoint, that is based on the Deadzone rules, but made even more accessible with prebuild minis and easy setup. That looks fun as well. I will try to play that with my board game friends, who are a bit intimidated by war games.
I agree that Deadzone and Firefight are really good games. There's a special place in my heart for my GCPS army!
I am watching the new HALO game with interest. As you say, it could be a great way to get people into the hobby. 😊
@@The.Game.Cave. I have never played Mutant: Year Zero. Also looks very interesting as a gate way game to war gaming. It has a similar accessible approach as Halo: Flashpoint, so I will be looking into that as well. But overall I think that the grid movement from Deadzone, that Halo: Flashpoint also will adopt, could be something my board game friends would appreciate.
Great video. I wish Dust was still around.
@sitrucsimian5450 Absolutely - I really hope that another company picks up the IP at some point and gives it a new lease of life.
Good video! Having fun should be number one thing for any game. There are so many great wargames out there, I just wish more people would get out of the GW bubble.
Thanks - I do try to prioritise having a laugh when I play games. The dice can be cruel - but some of the most calamitous games can end up providing the best stories!
Ten games that I've never heard of before...kewl beans.
My list is different to yours but i like the games you chose.
1.Deadzone. 2.Kings of war. 3.Aosof/Star wars legion
@altertroll9135 Those are some great games too. I must give Deadzone another try.
I'm also interested to see how Star Wars Legion 2nd edition pans out. The response so far seems a bit mixed.
Deadzone definitely meets the "fun" criteria. Great game.
The Legion community puts out some of the best boards I have seen. Always tempts me to get into the game.
@AltroseSenar There are so many cool planets in Star Wars that there are endless options for gaming tables!
Nice video 😊
Thanks 😊
Thoroughly enjoyable video and, crucially, championing some incredibly underrated/under loved systems. I had to back out of the Zone Wars KS at the last minute then it slipped off my radar entirely so I'm just off to watch some reviews and, very probably, order it.
Edit to add - Anyone else REALLY want to go to Carl's house to play these? What a range of boards and terrain!
Glad you enjoyed the vid. 😊
Zone Wars is well-worth checking out.
Thanks for the kudos on the gaming set-up - I realise that im a lucky feller with all these games to play!
Awesome list. I love Zone Wars solo, coop or 1 vs 1!
@@mattyouyou2590 i dont want to buy it....i dont wart to buy it...
@@mattyouyou2590 Absolutely - as I say in the video, it's always fun! I filmed a 3-player game of Zone Wars the other night. I will put it on the channel once I've edited it.
@@altertroll9135 Lol! Shiny syndrome. The wargamer's curse!
What, in particular, are you trying to resist?
@@The.Game.Cave. Zone Wars.I have to much unplayed games but i know i buy it.;)
Nice video. Thanks
Kings of War! Best fun I’ve had in years.
@greywanderer5935 I love the openness and list building of KoW - Alessio Cavatore did a great job with the rules.
With bigger units, I sometimes find the buckets of dice a bit unwieldy.
Definitely a fun game, though! 🙂
Great video, I wasn't familiar with several of your picks, so I really enjoyed this one. I've primarily played Grimdark Future Firefight with 40k models and I'm just starting to build terrain and a model collection for the solo/co-op fantasy game Rangers of Shadow Deep, which is a real pleasure to leaf through at the moment.
@@Christian_from_Copenhagen I am partial to a bit of Firefight too - but there are so many great games out there that I do flit about! I’ve not played Rangers of Shadow Deep, though I do hear good things.
Refreshingly delivered concise descriptives, enough to entice curiosity. Positive and just the right amount of rules 'walk through'. Thank you 👏👏👍
Thanks very much. 🙂
There are so many great games out there - and some seem to get far less coverage than others!
@The.Game.Cave. ... are you aware of a company named Iglootree? 🤔 The gentleman running it has some truly interesting not mainstream companies' little games in stock... I bought a few, essily understable rules, nicely designed. Low prices. I have been living in Norway for the last two years, and there's a Swedish company named Free League Publishing (more RPG, but few tabletop games) trying to bring different settings.
Great video mate
@@grimskald Thanks 😊
cool vid, liked and sub'd
@@h.s.lafever3277 Excellent! Hope you enjoy. 🙂
Nice list
@@timcat61 Thanks 😊
My list is - 1 - Carnevale, 2 - Killteam, 3= 7TV and Star/Frost Grave. Have not played enough yet but Cyberpunk combat zone could make it very hard to choose a top 3.
Carnevale has certainly tempted me a few times. I love the diversity of gangs on offer.
I've also just seen the gangs for the new Killteam box - and they do look cool.
Nice list. I always wanted to try Dropzone Commander unfortunately there is basically no player base in the US and I have yet to see it in the wild.
@fredgilbert2032 That's a real shame. I don't know what shipping costs are like to move stuff across the pond...The starter set is not physically large.
It seems mad for makers of the game to leave such a large market untapped.
It had a decent following during the 1st edition I think, but the uncertainty and doominess of Hawk Wargames demise seemed to have turned most people off, and onto other things
Nice walk-through. Thanks, Carl!
@@Teramis My pleasure. 🙂
Glad to see Dropzone Commander get more recognition. That's one of my favorite games.
@@LeeGutsy I agree. It's a great game. I really hope it can reach a wider audience.
I am really enjoying necromolds, battle lore 2e, heroscape, and summoner wars. Mind you my gaming group is my 3 young kids haha
@@ProdigiousReturn I've had some great games with my daughters - they are partial to Heroquest and Dixit at the moment.
Battlelore 2nd edition is Game of Thrones themed, isn't it?
@@The.Game.Cave.I bought heroquest but haven’t opened it yet. Battle lore 2e was generic fantasy, there was another commands and colors system themed game of thrones though too
@@ProdigiousReturn I found Heroquest most fun when I added some light RPG elements to our games.
This last Christmas, Olilie's Margin Outlets introduced me to Rivet Wars for $17. I through my enjoy playing that game even though every unit dies at some point of another. (The Blight player got out the biggest unit in the starter set totally maxed out with all the options. It was destroyed before it could fire during its second turn).
I've been buying stuff off the internet and this game makes me smile every rime.
@cunningwarrior1827 I don't really know Rivet Wars. It certainly sounds like you found a bargain!
Necromunda and Mordheim for me are the most fun
@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 Back in the day, I absolutely loved Mordheim - and don't understand why GW hasn't produced a new edition.
Necromunda has great fluff and models.
Both games - in my humble opinion - suffer from having one too many rolls in the attack process. To hit, to wound and to save can create a frustrating loop where you keep 'almost' doing something!
Fully understand your love, though.
Great reviews. Thanks for sharing
@@echodelta2426 My pleasure 🙂
Great recommends! I'll be checking to see if there is a local scene for any of these games!
@@fireinacan Excellent! Get rolling those dice. 🙂
Great video! You must try Moonstone the Game at some point. Settings, lore, miniatures and rules are all brilliant!
I shall bear that in mind. Thanks for the tip. 😊
Try Conquest, it has free rules and app and the gameplay is very fast for a rank and file game.
@@Aethon988 Thanks. I've seen the models, which look stunning - and huge! Conquest does pique my interest...
Awesome video. I recently purchased DFC. I hope to try the game out before end of the year. Subbed. Take Care.
Thanks! DFC is a great game - it just takes a while to play. The second edition will be out some time this year - and I am really hoping it will streamline gameplay. I plan to cover it on the channel. 😊
Great video. Nice thst DZC is getting some exposure, it deserves more. What buildings were you using in your demo?
@robhamper6001 It's quite a mix. I used mainly the ColorEd range from Plastcraft (great but hard to get now), and a Firestorm Planetfall Terrain set (PFTB01).
I often use the terrain from the Battletech Alphastrike starter box. This is great for smaller buildings in DZC.
Thanks for watching. 🙂
Those Scourge models look amazing, I hope you up load a video showing that new one painted
@@deepred6041 Thanks. That is absolutely the plan! A behemoth model is a project of its own!
Good list. I'd like to add two miniatures games that are guaranteed fun as well. These two are elegantly written so are easy to learn and teach, have great starter sets, low model density, tons of figures to choose from, don't need a big play space and are not only loads of fun but are just, in every way, unique in setting and mechanics. Carnevale and Rumbleslam. If you've not seen or played these before then do yourself a huge favor and check them out.
@@willtijerina5149 I have looked at Carnevale several times - for just the reasons you give! I came close to picking up the starter set at this year's UK Games Expo.
Have you played Moonstone, just a blast of a sskirmish game
@@colinbrant2046 I have not - though several other people have recommended it. Thanks - I shall have to check it out. 😊
Really looking forward to what they do with dropstrike or what they are calling the game where it focuses on furnishes between units. Don’t think they have quite got the rules down yet but am awaiting the kickstarter
@Aneirinprime That'll be Striketeam Commander. I agree completely - it looks great. I do wonder how they will handle the verticality of combat inside a multi-story building, though. Some level of abstraction may be needed.
I tried DZC years ago a guy demo it for me and i didn't enjoy it , but he was one of those guys thats crushes all people as fast as possible with his OP lists .
So the game didn't get a fair crack witj me
@Flamethrower1942 I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like a nightmare demo game! I think that someone with that attitude could ruin any game.
Fallout reminds me very much of the old Games Workshop (wash my mouth out) game Necromunda.
@paulcrowther4514 I enjoyed Necromunda back in the day. Having played it more recently, I found it frustrating. As with lots of GW rules systems, there are several steps to success - fail one of them, and you fail. That might be OK with a squad of troops - some miss, some fail to wound, etc. but some achieve hits - but for an individual a single misstep along the way equals a fail. I don't like that personally.
@@The.Game.Cave. isnt that the same with every 'dice roll' games, even just as simple as a roll to hit
Please add timestamps to this Video! It will UP the Quality of the Video even more!
Put these in the Description.
00:00 Intro
01:00 Game 1
and so on!
I have added those now. Thanks for pointing this out - I’ve not previously added timestamps to my videos. 😊
@@The.Game.Cave. They are worth the effort! Thank you so much!
This Video could be even better with timestamps. put it into the description.
00:00 intro
01:00 Asoiaf
Marvel Crisis!
What rules and cards are you using for your tabletop Dust games?
I am using the Dust Tactics Battlefield rulebook, along with the Dust Tactics 2014 Forces Deck.
Rules and models for Dust 1947 may be easier to get hold of - though they are not readily available either, I'm afraid.
A new edition of Konflict 47 is in the works, if you want another way to scratch that Weird War itch.
I've got some reservations about Dropzone (not that it isn't a good game, but the buy in, set up, rules, and just availability sort of takes it off my list)....
I feel like MCP is a great call, and I should check out Mutant Year Zero (I have the rpg books).
I have to echo another commenter that Deadzone by Mantic should be getting some love... I also think Moonstone by Goblin King Games is one that everyone should try out... I know it just dropped, but Fallout: Faction (not Wasteland Warfare!!) is another on that looks like it follows the Mutant Year Zero style of "here's a box, you are good to go (with maybe a bit more gluing). And I'll just throw out my honorable mention in the form of RelicBlade by Sean Sutter... fantastic little game with fun models and great easy to pick up rules.
@SciFiPorkChop28 Thanks. There are some cool games on your list. I may have to look at adding some Deadzone content to the channel at some point. I think Mantic, as a company, have a great outlook.
Regarding Dropzone, I think availability outside the UK might be an issue. The initial buy-in isn't too bad IMHO, as the starter sets and expansion boxes are such good value.
Only issue with Dust (Dust 1947? Dust Tactics?) is they are out of print and the company shut down... so there are a lot of older products still available, but some stuff is rare as hen's teeth.. so bit of a struggle to keep the game going locally.. great game though... miss it.
I agree - it's a real shame the game is hard to get now.
I am somewhat hopeful that the new iteration of Konflict '47 might breathe life into this particular wargaming niche. They have been hiring some talented writers and designers.
Based on George RR Martin work? Then we should expect this to never be finished
I hear that! I've been looking forward to Tge Winds of Winter what feels like an age now! I really hope that 2025 might be the year!
I thought Dust had folded and was no longer sold?
@JamesClark-j5l Some models are still available, but nothing new. I mentioned it in passing, as it is a great setting and system - and games have a habit of being reborn, so you never know...
I thought Dropzone Commander was no longer being supported, at least for the infantry and ground vehicles. Is that so? Or is there a place to get the minis other than ebay, etc...?
@@henrycampau3830 It's very much alive and kicking. TT Combat bought the game when Hawk Wargames went the way of the dodo. You can buy directly from them, but plenty of companies in the UK stock the game - Wayland Games and Goblin Games to name but two.
Production of DZC is really pretty good for the size of the company, but this is what I'm saying - in a lot of people's minds in died back with Hawk, and TTCombat - somehow - haven't managed to get the word out enough that it's back and thriving
@@andrewbeeching1240 yeah... they (TTCombat) just showed off a picture of the new rulebook for DropFLEET that is coming... so they are still working on stuff but it does seem to be a bit ad-hoc at times and not really well distributed (but that's a common issue with TTCombat, right?)
GW should pay more attention to videos like this . while they have some amazing minis, the GAMES themselves leave a lot to be desired sometimes. not a single GW product on the 5 game list.
Like a lot of players, I started with GW games - but found the outdated mechanics and constant rules-bloating became a chore.
That said, I like the Middle Earth Strategy Game and will probably pick up the new edition.
Mentioning costs would help. I’d like to know how much the fun will empty my wallet.
That's tricky, given the different prices from one country to the next. What I will say is that the Dropzone Commander starter set and army boxes are outstanding value.
Thank you 😊
@@voltage2773 You're welcome. 🙂
Can you show the new model in a battle report?!
@@wonderboy2402 I play to do an assembly and painting video first - and then I will absolutely use it in a battle report!
@@The.Game.Cave. awesome - so what set should a new player start with?
Stop speaking to me like a manager.