I had Epilepsy as a child. I had Temporal lobe Epilepsy and also Complex partial. I used to do things that I couldn't explain like put the plug in and start running only the hot water for a bath. Or walk around opening all the cupboard doors and slamming them shut. So many different strange behaviours. After a seizure I would sleep for hours even days. It was extremely exhausting I now have brain damage and learning disabilities however I am a proficient reader, am very good at scrabble and word games and I still have the ability to drive.
I think the reason Yang kept changing her story is because she honestly doesn't know exactly what happened and she is trying to reconcile it in her own mind. She seems very traumatised but seems to want to take the blame as she feels guilty regardless. It's heartbreaking that this little girl lost her life and that even for her mother, there's no real closure on how it happened. I don't believe there was enough evidence to suggest that she would have done this intentionally.
Exactly, that's how trauma is processed. And in a crisis people do find extreme calm due to adrenaline. When my baby stopped breathing I was extremely calm and focused, because I had to get help.
So so sad for all involved,❤ I am a neurology nurse and have seen over the years the most bizarre behaviours and actions of those suffering a seizure / or indeed an episode of psychosis This in my opinion cannot be ruled out 😢
My mother is epileptic and I experienced a few episodes years back and we have a long history of varied mental health problems in our family and I have several mental and behavioral disorders and I almost wonder if there also could have been a combination going on here. The brain is so complex and still so much is unknown about it I feel like it’s highly likely she wasn’t in her “right mind”.
Oofft!!! This was a difficult one!!! Thanks Em! I’m leaning towards innocent - I was diagnosed with epilepsy in my mid thirties, although I’d been unwell for years before that but couldn’t get a correct diagnosis. I also suffer, for the most part, from complex partial seizures, and have done some really odd things! Before my epilepsy was well controlled, I once ‘came round’ in a supermarket, with a trolley full of shopping. I had no idea how I got there, the last memory I had was sitting at my desk at work! Then one night, I was at a works function and ‘went missing’. I texted my husband to say the event was just finishing and I was just getting a taxi home, and would be back in 20 mins. I didn’t appear - and he couldn’t get hold of me. He had to come looking for me and was so frantic, he called my dad to help him. He eventually found me 4 hours later, very dazed and confused, wandering the corridors of the hotel that had hosted the function. The last memory I had was of eating dinner and chatting to clients. The most upsetting one though, was when I had a full seizure and my son was there. He was only 5 and had witnessed it, when the paramedics came and were questioning me, they’d asked who my son was and I didn’t know. I had ‘come round’ by then but was very confused. He was saying ‘mummy, it’s me’ and I didn’t recognise him at all. I don’t have any memory of this until getting to hospital. He’s 16 now and loves to tell people the story of his ‘crazy mother’ and thinks it’s hilarious. This case terrifies me as I know how careful I was with my son, when I was first diagnosed he was 3/4 years old and I didn’t take him swimming, or in the car anywhere, or even give him a bath if it was only me in the house. I didn’t drive for 4 years, and only started again when I’d been seizure free for a year. I was terrified of hurting someone by causing an accident. Epilepsy is an awful illness, but many people don’t realise how dangerous it can be. So, in summary, I can totally believe how someone could carry out certain tasks and not have any knowledge of it, even something as bad as this.
I think the prosecution were wrong in saying that Yang was frustrated with the baby because she was interrupting her work. If she had have been, then she could simply have shouted her mother in from the garden to take her while she had finished. And the fact that her mother was in the garden at the time seems really strange. If someone wanted to do something so horrific to their child they surely wouldn’t do it while their mother was in the vicinity. It just seems so strange to me. RIP little angel 👼
As someone who was diagnosed with epilepsy at 4 years old, who had to go through having there medication altered on a number of occasions this case horrifies me for so many different reasons. Although I’ve never placed my child in a microwave (and only had 3 seizures since her birth) during my teen years especially around the time of the month I have done some actual bizarre things including turning a gas oven on and flicking the lights on as I go back up the stairs to my room. I had no idea of this and only found out because my mum used to watch me do it. I’ve also had seizures where I’ve fallen to the ground, wet myself and injured myself and others around me. When I was told I couldn’t have children I was so grateful because I was always so scared I would put them in danger to then find out I was pregnant absolutely devastated me but during my pregnancy and motherhood I have made so sure to tell my daughter about my history of seizures and to make sure she never comes near me and rings an ambulance just in case.
This is so sad to hear. I don't actually know much about epilepsy but it must be terrifying. You're doing all the right things, and it's great that your daughter knows what to do in an emergency. Hope you continue to stay well ❤
@@huxy6719 I’m incredibly lucky in knowing what triggers my seizures, after many tests and medications so I’m able to avoid most triggers, but epilepsy isn’t a one size fits all and we (as a whole) are still learning from it and about it. Years ago we were told to give people like me ice baths during seizures or spoons in the mouth both of which are extremely dangerous and we are told not to do that now
I absolutely agree my epilepsy is the same I myself have had seizures from the age of 1 I am now on a medication that suits me , exactly the same I got up one morning and got ready as if I was going for a night at a club problem was I worked in a warehouse luckily when I arrived at work my boss noticed something was up he called my mum and she came and picked me up I woke up in bed all dressed up to the nines and remembered not a thing xxxxx
@@claudiavecchio7812 this was the worse part for me, not the wetting myself, or injuring myself when I would drop, but the parts when I would come round and not remember a thing, knowing I wasn’t in control of what I was doing and what kind of a risk I could pose. This is honestly my worse nightmare. I hope you are doing well with yours now
Thank you so much yes I am I have been medication controlled for 20 years thank god I have an amazing neurologist, yes I totally agree the biting your tongue cheeks wetting is bad enough but the total lack of memory I could loose a whole day after a seizure and I was very violent when coming round my mum was so scared because I was frightened of everyone it’s so sad and it’s something I carry with me every day epilepsy runs heavily in my family, hope you are well it’s not very often I ever get to someone that has the same experience xxxxx
Such a devastating story. I wonder though if Yang dropped Mirabelle, had the seizure, came out in a fugue state - picked up the crying baby and went to the kitchen to microwave a bottle to soothe the baby?.... And disaster ensued in her fugue. She took the 'bottle' out of the microwave, went back, lay down and eventually came out of the fugue to find Mirabelle, hurt, lying beside her ... It could explain why she was slightly more 'with it' by the time her brother and police were around - she'd already been in fugue for a while and operated the microwave. It sounds trivial, but we need to know how they usually heated bottles. That will give us a major clue to guilt or innocence. Honestly, it almost doesn't matter. The whole thing (especially Mirabelle's agony) is devastatingly sad 😢
could it be that she normally heats up baby's feed in the microwave, and if the baby was crying as she felt the seizure coming on, that in a confused state she put the baby in the microwave instead of the bottle. I really don't think that she would have deliberately cooked her baby, there are many other ways to kill a baby without torturing it.
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The 5 minutes button is about the only button we push. I have post concussion amnesia for blocks of time. Very mysterious. We have a Mong community and I remember it was hard for them to assimilate and use social services . It is not necessary for a microwave to be programmed. We have 5, 3, 1, 30 and 10 seconds.
After concussion I hallucinated for days have huge blocks of amnesia wet myself etc .there does seem to be reasonable doubt to me as no motive and the presence of others. Her mother could have walked in any minute Also wasn't there the one young boy at home and dad returning. I just don't see men's rea, malice aforethought, premeditation etc. I would have hung the jury and not be ruled by the horrific nature. In U$ I was heartbroken to learn we have had a prisoner cooked and another frozen.
After concussion I hallucinated for days have huge blocks of amnesia wet myself etc .there does seem to be reasonable doubt to me as no motive and the presence of others. Her mother could have walked in any minute Also wasn't there the one young boy at home and dad returning. I just don't see men's rea, malice aforethought, premeditation etc. I would have hung the jury and not be ruled by the horrific nature. In U$ I was heartbroken to learn we have had a prisoner cooked and another frozen.
for someone who's had no history of alarming/disturbing behaviour to 'snap' in anger, by perhaps hitting their kid to death/taking their frustration out or something would seem maybe plausible to me. but consciously killing the baby in the most sadistic/pretty long way just seems a bit unbelievable
Yeah her doing this consciously doesn’t follow. Even if Mirabelle was fusty to the point of being intolerable, Yang’s mother was right outside. Yang would have easily been able to get a break. And the fact that she was always a protective and loving mother really makes it hard to believe that she did this on purpose and with intent. It just doesn’t follow. There is no logical timeline to support such a thing; no prior hints, no red flags. People don’t just intentionally change in a split second. That’s not how any of that works. That jury was made up of a passel of vindictive idiots, by the sounds of things. There seems to be a nationally recognized ignorance of mental and neurological health complications in the States. They’ll use words like “evil” to describe genuinely sick people. Bit medieval, from what I’ve heard. She was basically imprisoned for being an epileptic. I’m not downplaying what happened to her child for one second. But she can be legally innocent in the face of that. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
I’m epileptic and this horrifies me. 5 children and 2 grandchildren and never has my epilepsy made me sick enough to microwave anything other than popcorn! Frustrated isn’t strong enough for how this made me. Fantastically empathetic coverage as always Emma ❤
Your epilepsy and that of others aren’t identical though. I’m sorry you have to deal with this condition: it can be tough to manage. My dad had petit mal seizures as a kid and I know it made his life more challenging during that time.
My friend was epileptic and she had 3 kids as well. She caught their house on fire once during a seizure by placing something in the oven and walking outside... Thankfully the girls were in school and while her son (3 at the time) was home, it didn't reach his room because it was really minor.
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I watch true crime videos daily and i genuinely think this is the one that has made me feel the most physically ill. I cannot even comprehend this. That poor sweet baby.
The partial seizure theory interests me, could she have possibly in a confused state thought “I need to warm a bottle of milk for the baby” and accidentally put the baby in there instead? I remember the tiredness of having a newborn and I used to struggle to speak and keep count of how many scoops of formula I put in a bottle. If you add tiredness to seizure confusion I can imagine serious accidents could happen 😔 rest in peace little mirabelle ❤
@@SARAHCRITCHLEY-ci1kd yes that was my thoughts. I am not epileptic so I can’t say how seizures affect someone but I suppose this is the only way I can get my head around what happened. Normally I’m either firmly in the belief someone was guilty or innocent but this case had confused me and I am willing to have a small amount of empathy because we just do not know the answers.
This was my thought too. Maybe she thought she was warming food or a bottle. I know people kill their children, But I can't imagine her first thought would be to kill her baby in such a slow painful way. It would be unnecessarily cruel. I'd like to hope she wouldn't anyway.
I once went looking for my baby's clothes in the fridge thinking it was the wardrobe for a second... It's crazy how your brain gets totally scrambled with tiredness when you have a newborn.. Let alone if you add having fits to the mix
What a horrifying case! Speaking of what people are capable of while being unconscious, it reminds me of the case of Peter Porco. Quote from Wiki: "After waking up, he carried out his morning routine before finally dying, as he had written a check for Christopher, made a packed lunch and attempted to load the dishwasher in the kitchen during the time before his death." He did it with half of his head chopped off with an axe. He didn't notice his severely wounded wife or the fact that he himself was mortally wounded. It also reminds me of my own cases of sleepwalking. Once, I woke up standing in the middle of the room with a remote in my hand, and the tv was on. So unconsciously pressing some buttons on a microwave doesn't seem too far-fetched for me, if it was a routine action to her.
I'm curious to know if the mother had experienced any seizures since the delivery of Mirabel. To me, this feels like a mix of epilepsy and post partum psychosis. Seeing the grim reaper, dark shadows and demonic figures is very common in post partum psychosis. Also, if the mother had been off her epilepsy meds during her pregnancy it may have taken an extended period of time for her meds to be fully effective again. A small seizure may have lowered her reasoned thinking just enough for her to act out her psychosis. Of course, my thoughts are with this baby that lost her life in an unimaginable way.
Absolutely. It's so common to take women off of important medications during pregnancy and results can be devastating. I know a woman who was forced to stop her thyroid medication and all 3 of her children had major birth defects. Allowing seizures to continue unabated is her doctor's and tbh, her family's responsibility considering she could not control her illness or her actions...women matter so little in our society that they get thrown under a bus whenever opportunity presents itself.
Weird microwave. All ours have single buttons for 30 seconds and 1 through 9 minutes. Also weird she even had a driver's license. When my sister fell asleep and slipped off her chair her doctor took away her driving license for 6 months in case it was a seizure.
I have a 6 month old granddaughter and I found this so hard to listen to, but made myself do so for the little ones who suffered so grotesquely. I also listened, just in case the mothers' really are completely innocent of murder but victims of their medical conditions.. It really is so hard to comprehend anyone, let alone a mother, putting a tiny, vulnerable child into a microwave and shutting the door! I feel sick just thinking about it! Great coverage Emma.. told with compassion, intellect and no unnecessary bullpoop drama, just the facts as they have been provided. Thank You
psychosis can happen to any one of us at any time as I found out 4 years ago when it crept up on my Daughter & changed our lives forever . its the worst illness ever & I wouldnt wish it on any one. Love your channel Emma xx
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My wife has epilepsy and I can confirm the confusion is real. Once she came around from a seizure knowing she needed to leave but didn’t know why or where to go so she got on her bicycle and set off riding at 2AM in the morning! Another time an Ambulance was called and the EMT asked her her date of birth but she couldn’t remember except to tell him it was the day after her best friends. Thankfully her epilepsy is very well managed with medication for the last 20 years and she’s only suffered a few very mild incidents in that time. The best way she described them to me was like your computer getting the blue screen of death and rebooting whilst you’re in the middle of working. She doesn’t get any warning apart from once which was flashing lights a split second before the seizure and she didn’t remember the warning until 2 weeks afterwards.
You cant get in a bike and ride in a post ictal state. You usually have to have diazepam up the bottom in a tube. Then you have to have your obs done in hospital in case you have a brain injury. And rule out stroke.
@RitzyRoo you can do many things in this state maybe not well coordinated , probably very confused, definitely exhausted. Rectal diazepam is given during the seizure to varying effects . We should not invalidate the experience of others. Epilepsy has enough medical stigma as it is.
@ritzyroo353 Nope, not really. Some people are already on the medication that's ment to help stabilize the seizures, what you're talking about is typically only done for certain epileptic patients who are ordered it. You're describing only ONE sort of treatment. After a seizure a person is in a catatonic state and they can continue to walk, sometimes talk but they will make absolutely no sense at all. I was blacked out for 3 days after my 3 seizures and my mom said I was talking just fine and going to the bathroom on my own, when I came to I had no clue why I was in the hospital or how long I was in there for. They apparently ran all types of tests, I guess I was taking my medication all by mouth too cause the nurse came in with them later that day. That's when I told her I'm actually refusing my gabapentin because I was positive it caused my seizures and multiple very terrible migraines. Never had a migraine since I quit taking them. But you can absolutely walk around and do things, doesn't mean there's a reason or that it even makes sense. but If you're already diagnosed an epileptic, they don't need to run tests on you after every seizure. You just keep the person safe until they have truly come back to reality, which depends on how bad the seizure was.
My best friend has epilepsy. I’ve been sat with her and I know when she’s going to have a fit. She had similar to this epileptic fits. She has the usual shaking ect, but she has one where she does not know what she’s doing. Her son has conjunctivitis. She was giving him eye drops. I was holding him. She tried to feed him eye drops. I told her no! She had a go at me tried to take him off me. And continue to try to feed him. This lasted 10 minutes. When she came too she was mortified! She also used the microwave oven, putting random things inside. I’ve never been so scared in my life. Eye drops would have killed him.
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I’d like to know how many hours had passed between the event & the interviews, how many hours she was interrogated for & how much sleep she had had etc. The interrogation techniques used by detectives in the USA can induce false confessions. I wouldn’t give her “confessions” any more weight than I do eyewitness identifications of strangers in other cases.
Yes exactly. My mum has a form of a fit (not even epileptic) with MS and when she came round she was exhausted. She had no idea what had happened and was exhausted. Having to then sit through interview after interview would have been a no go
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As a mother who suffers from epilepsy, this case scares the living daylights out of me, I can hardly catch my breath. The thought of hurting my children during a fit seems unthinkable. I am very, very conflicted with this one. But my god, that poor baby, thinking of her dying that way rips my heart out. Once again, brilliantly presented by Emma ❤
This is the first episode I thought I'd have to turn off. It's so incredibly heartbreaking to listen to. As always, you did a wonderful job telling the story. Thank you.
I've had a few I had to stop. This was also nearly one of them. I wanted to throw up when hearing about how the little baby died. It must be so hard for the professionals who are dealing directly with these cases. Some have to leave their jobs due to PTSD. I can understand why.
I don’t have epilepsy but i do have PNES another seizure disorder. I haven’t finished watching the video yet but i find it hard to believe she did this intentionally. I have had many experiences where i have woken up and done strange things after my seizure without any memory. one time after a seizure my friend only left me only for a little bit and the front door was wide open and i wasn’t there. my friend found me in the parking lot with two different shoes (like two completely different shoes and on the wrong feet) twerking in the parking lot. this is not a common occurrence though but it happened and i have no memory of it. Also all the epileptic medications are horrible with terrible side effects so i empathize why she didn’t take medication. nothing like this has happened but the brain is crazy and that’s what i’ve learned. there needs to be more studies done on seizure disorders. I still have seizures but i manage it with cannabis and it’s the only thing that has helped. this case is very sad but it’s important topic that most people are not educated on.
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I am currently 25 weeks pregnant and this is so terrifying and sad. I do not know how a mother could harm the child they carried for 9 months and birthed. It shocks me every time I see about it. Even the stories you’ve covered with the physical abuse or even knowing about the harm . It’s just a baby, a defenseless child. It breaks my heart and make me love my daughter even more and cannot wait to meet her in September
I’m also conflicted. She genuinely seemed to adore her little girl and I can’t help wondering why she would suddenly put her in the microwave when she had not shown any signs of wanting to harm her children before.
I agree. She's shown zero signs previously of being the type of person that would do this out of malice. I really feel like something had to happen to cause her to do something so uncharacteristic.
And why microwave her when she would be more likely to… shake her? Throw her? Microwaving is such a bizarre idea. Babies and microwaves aren’t two things that go together. If this mother really wanted to harm or kill her baby why would she think microwave first, shaking/suffocation last? If she was crying she would’ve shaken her before walking down to the kitchen, forcing the baby in, and picking 5 min.
This is EXACTLY why I refuse to keep my grandkids without my partner or my Aunt being in the rooms with us. I also have seizures & its true that you can't remember what happens, so I avoid any possible situation that could possibly harm another human.
You give cases such justice Emma. My Wednesday are free when my husbands at work and I have my true crime day! What a case things that people do are just something you never would ever think of. Horrific! Your looking radiant tonight Emma. ❤
Totally different situation, but my youngest child who is 1.5 had a febrile seizure in March and i am a nurse, but it scared the absolute 💩 out of me. I walked in to check on him during his nap and found him mid seizure and initially thought he was choking to death or something catastrophic had happened. Luckily, within minutes he recovered totally. This is just to say, seizures can be terrifying.
I think my mum suffered with post parted depression. She told me that after I was born she thought she had died. Looking after me daily, she did but thought she was dead but comforted herself by thinking that if that was the case at least she was with her family. She also gave me to the local shopkeeper because she could not cope and felt frightened about what she mite do. Do you think this could have been post parted Emma? I’m going back 60 years
Your poor Mum. In those days people didn't understand things...later we had the phrase "the baby blues" which was a throwaway name for a serious condition. Trying to give you to the local shopkeeper was an act of love to protect you. It's so sad for both you and her.
@@jwsuicides8095 Thankyou so much. Mum was never diagnosed however she did ,later in life refer to that time as having baby blues but i do think it was post partum x
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This is a difficult case. My partner suffers from seizures, but something else obviously happens because he can partake in physical activities before he comes back to full consciousness. We know this because the last four times, he has woken up out in street, in the wrong apartment, and has always been somewhere where he is found by a stranger, who then calls an ambulance. This suggests that there's a lot medical practitioners don't understand about the nature of different types of seizure and what is happening to the brain around the event. If my partner can have such violent seizures that he sometimes requires stitches and often dislocates his shoulder AND get out of a deadbolted front door, and do God-knows-what before he manages to enter an unknown home and passes out - with only a recollection of that day's morning - then I believe a perfectly loving mother can do something as horrifying as microwaving her baby. All my partner's doctors do is increase his anti-seizure medication. No one is interested in researching the causes of the odd behaviour some patients engage in 🤷🏽♀️. I wonder how many cases the courts need to see before someone pulls their finger out and does proper medical research.
It reminds me of sleep-walking. The actions are all there but without the brain to connect them, they're just a series of random behaviours. Eg: Grabbing one object thinking it's another one.
@@Stopthisrightnow560 ❤I've slept walked in the middle of the street when I was found I was saying they want me to find the corn ,I've been found in friends halls with covering over me I've even sent texts whilst asleep .mine normally happens when I've been stressed .
I agree, I struggle to believe that an otherwise completely stable and loving mother could do something as horrific as this without there being some previous red flags as to her nature, it is such an extreme thing to do xx
Emma I totally do the same with the microwave if I need it on for 2 minutes I just press start 4 times as start is 30 seconds, Im too lazy to actually program it prop. Terribly horrific case, that poor baby I have trouble thinking about that level of suffering in infants😢 very tough case, thank you for bringing awareness to these cases.
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Hi Emma. I never miss a show since I first watched one of your episodes. I even went back to watch ALL of your previous ones. I was diagnosed with Epilepsy a few years ago and after my first seizure I did things that I had no memory of. My stepmom has had epilepsy most of her life. Some years ago she actually had a seizure in the bathroom and broke her leg in 3 places. She went to work for 3 days after that, as a hairdresser, before going to the hospital to be told that her leg was broken. The reason I'm telling you this is that she actually has no memory of those 3 days even though she was able to perform all her daily routines, including work. I know that it is very difficult for us to believe that people could do things without knowing what they are doing but if we consider the complexity of the human brain then anything is possible. I'm sure that if I myself hadn't ever experienced doing things which I had no memory of even though I get told what I had done and been shown proof of doing these things then I would also automatically think that it's probably just a method of excuse to get away with murder. Thank you so much for all that you do to explore all sides of the crimes.
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@@gerardbromberg014 we are going into winter now so it's cooling down quite a bit but most days it's actually warmer outside than in the house. You should be going into summer ☀️
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Also, as a nurse, I've seen many people with seizure and a myriad of neurological disorders. The brain is a mysterious organ even to the doctors who specialize in the study and treatment of the same. Perhaps she really doesn't recall what happened and is simply trying to justify this horrible event that she herself can't fathom. I've seen people with the kindest, most docile personalities turn into violent, dangerous monsters straight from the deepest pit of hell following a head injury. Seizure activity is much like that...a brain injury that is temporary and the patient recovers. People with multi-focal seizures such as she has may suffer worsening and changing in the pattern of their seizures. Her history and personality just doesn't strike me as a murderer, especially of her own child. I do believe she should seriously consider family planning for the future. She should consider the devastation of a child inheriting her condition.
Omg I have never been so conflicted before !this case played on my mind for ages after watching it! I have had psychosis and I've been able to get dressed and cooked my lunch throughout an episode but couldn't remember doing any of it! I just played with my mind so much however I'm certain she didn't definitely want to hurt her child,she seemed like a loving mother! It's one of those difficult cases
I usually come away from watching these videos with a very strong opinion of guilt or innocence. With this one? For the love of God, my head is spinning. I just can't imagine a mother no matter how EVIL she may be, putting her baby in a microwave to end their life.
She does not seem like an evil person. She would need to be pure evil to consciously do that diabolical act on her own child. I believe she is innocent but will suffer a life sentence of guilt. God bless you and your family Maureen 🙏
Hello 👋 how are you doing today? I hope 🤞 this year brings happiness, peace and love all over the world 🌎 I’m originally from Canada 🇨🇦 grow up in Fort Worth Texas, currently living in Key West Florida. Where are you from if i may ask?😊😊😊
I thought I had the days mixed up, glad your now here 😊 PS watched a shortish podcast on one of the most sickening stories today, The House of Horrors in Philadelphia 😳 if you could cover that Emma sometime please 🙏
They used to be called grand mal seizures. My grandmother had them. She actually fell down the stairs with me in her arms as a newborn. It was awful and horrific.she flopped around like the girl from the exorcist. The lesser ones were called petite mal seizures. And she would stare off into space and lose her bladder and talk in tongues.and she got angry afterwards. But made no sense.so she was angry about things that didn't happen but she assessed that they did. When my grandmother fell she actually thought someone pushed her. There was no one else there.
Each seizure is different. And they try to make sense of something that can't make sense to them. They don't remember. And being calm is just a lack comprehension. She doesn't know what happened
I am 34 weeks pregnant and this is one of the most horrific cases I've heard about, and I've seen all the videos in your channel and have been following for a year now, religiously...usually I discuss the cases with friends and family, but this one I cant talk about...
Great show on Tuesday in Southport ! Love my “the serial killer next door show “ hoodie ❤thank you so much for a chat and a hug , its was a pleasure ! cant wait for the Killer Cults to come to Southport 🤞🏻x
I'm only halfway thru the video rn, but it is possible for ppl with certain kinds of epilepsy to perform very complex actions and have no recollection of doing it
Definitely a complicated set of circumstances. Glad i didn't have to judge this case. Hope this lady gets good help cause she's gonna need it. How can she ever forgive herself, let alone put it behind her or ever get the images out of her head🥺 Thanks Emma, for another presentation. Done with care and compassion and a great understanding of the human psyche. I look forward to your posts each week. I have a difficult time with the child torture ones but watch all the others
I have epilepsy and never microwaved a child. However, my seizures are very similar and I have seen shadows and have felt something/someone has been in my house. So much so I have got a bat and been cowering in a corner and I have called my doctor. I have also had hallucinations where I have truly believed is 100% real and in one I have killed someone but not just killed someone, I have tortured them in the most horrendous way. When I have come too I was petrified because I 100% thought I’d killed someone.
@@jwsuicides8095 it is horrible. I only got diagnosed 3 years ago and I believe it was when I start having to inject Arthritis meds. I thought I was going mad tbh. I’ve also damaged my frontal lobe which has changed my life significantly. I can’t work as I can’t concentrate with complex info, I forget words, can’t organise stuff, taste and smell have gone. I’m devastated tbh. 🥲
@@lise1806 That's a lot to deal with. I can empathise in that I've gone through neurological problems since I was very young. I was saying elsewhere under comments here that just last night I couldn't understand how to close my back door. I've lived here for over 20 years and it's been the same door. Had to leave the door open all night and my carer closed it this morning. It's entirely different to dementia or forgetfulness...it's like huge holes in my brain at the time. Can't access what's there. I hope you have people around you to help you with the organising as that can alleviate the stresses and also any resultant mistakes. The not working thing is a whole other world of loss...I loved my job, the independence it gave me, the joy, the interesting people I met, and have mourned it for years. Devastation is a realistic reaction. I hope there are other joys in your life to enrich you. x
@@jwsuicides8095 I don’t think others really understand the affect a brain injury can be. I can be really inappropriate - but I don’t mean to be it’s my brain. I’ll laugh at funerals, I can understand why people react the way they do when that happens, but I can never explain because, to them, the reality is they think ”shut up, that’s impossible you’re just an insensitive cow!” I just don’t attend things like that anymore. I’ve worked since I was 19 and I have never been out of work and since I’ve had children (10 & 11) I have instilled in them that working is the only option, you get nothing for free, but now I’m on benefits they see something else and I hate it. The benefit system in this country is shocking! I’ve paid tax and NI since I was 19 and apart from PIP and ESA in group, I get nothing else, a small amount of UC too but not enough to stop me losing my house and making me and my kids homeless! My kids are my carers and I’m just broken with it. They’re not getting the childhood they deserve and I can’t take them anywhere fun. I have a hard time with my eldest at the moment and it breaks my heart, it really does. I feel like such a 💩 mum.
Hey Emma love this chanel and all the hard work you put in to each case. I would love you to do a proper deep dive in to the Moors Murders. I just think you would do that case justice and give it the dignity and respect it deserves. Xx
So as an epileptic with regular seizures very similar to those she describes usually im confused and just sleep after but on rare occasion (single digits in hundreds of seizures) i have been known to get up and start doing random chores around the house in a trance. Ive washed up, put washing away, done a variety of things...all in the wrong places but they are all things that ive done before, that i had to do before my seizure and that i did on auto pilot. Ive never done anything new to me and it is still after a period of sleep and confusion. Never immediate. Is it possible....the idea is terrifying for all epilepsy sufferers for sure but im not fully convinced.
Thanks for sharing your relevant experiences on the matter. I had no idea before this that such behaviours could happen during a seizure so it's good to be educated on this. All the best to you.
I wonder if it takes a toll on Emma having to tell these stories twice a week. It must be mentally draining. Much respect to her as the researching of these crimes alone have got to be traumatic. 😢
I almost missed this! Thank you Emma for all the great work and all the cases that you shine a brighter light on! I only a found your channel a few weeks ago but I am loving it and I think I watch at least one of your videos every day and even if I can’t afford to support your work financially I will keep showing up and support the work you do so I guess I’m becoming a part of your crime cult now! ❤ x
If I had done that to my baby for whatever reason I wouldn’t be able to live with it. I wouldn’t care what happened to me even if I was innocent and had done it because of a psychotic episode I definitely wouldn’t want to go on.
Without seeming cruel, I'm not sure you could fit a baby into a microwave, you'd have to use some effort to get limbs in, I think it would prevent the glass plate from moving due to the weight and size of an average 7lb 8 ounce newborn. God bless little one
Ma again, if you put too much weight on the microwave plate, or prevent it from circulating if for whatever reason it is stopped from rotating, the microwave will auto shut down. The defense must have experimented with dolls of similar weight and size in a microwave. I too have epilepsy and all I can do it barely walk after I've been shaking. I couldn't hold a pencil, let alone a baby. I have such sympathy for the mother and grieve for the family. Fly with angels wings my sweet.
Indeed it would be hard to live after that if innocent. I've seen someone in court in a similar situation just give up and leave the courts to punish them. When you have other children though it must be different. She's got 3 boys. An innocent person would also want them to help them. They have the options of believing for the rest of their lives that their mother murdered their sister in the cruelest way possible, or believing that their mother had an illness or illnesses that caused her to act without knowing what she was doing. That's a tough one.
I agree with you about the possibility of the microwave settings. I am completely conflicted with this case and not sure where I stand on it. I do feel there needs to be more investigation and maybe second opinions from different doctors. This is a hard one.
The fact that there's another case where another woman put her baby 8n the microwave during a seizure is very compelling! If she was just fed up with the baby, faking a fall on top of it would have been easier, but maybe she read about the other case? I'm not sure we will ever know. If she was a murderous psycho, wouldn't there be other clues? The husband would surely know her well enough. A very unusual case, and very well covered.
Its almost like her brain went on autopilot and tried to microwave a bottle for her... Kinda like when someone sleepwalks- their body isnt paralyzed but their mind is.
I thought that , you can get so tired and with the epilepsy..I don't suffer with that but once caught myself on sofa after feeding baby ..actually winding my tom cat instead of the baby , talk about brain fog
Hi Emma, thank you for talking about this sad and horrible case. Its beyond comprehension what happened to this baby, heartbreaking.😢 Its hard to judge. But if I would have gone through what Yang described, I would have been hysterical and broken, unable to live full stop. What seems strange is how calm her demeanour was. Nothing makes sense here.
I'm the same as Em, very conflicted over this. I do think she deserves a retrial and the jury need to made clearly aware of all the differing types of epilepsy she suffered and how she could have presented etc. She showed nothing but devotion to the children and her Dr said no signs of postpartum issues, no psychosis etc so it is baffling. I'm leaning on the side of epilepsy due to that.
Hello Emma. This was just sad from start to finish. What an illness to have. I worked with a girl years ago and the Docs told her NOT to have children's she also had Epileptic fits. She was so confused as to what to do. JUSTICE FOR ARTHUR & STAR AND ALL THE WEE CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN MURDERED.
Emma, you look particularly glamorous today! You and Lisa Eldridge are my favorite TH-cam beauties across the pond. This story was fascinating but the way the child died is unfathomable in its horror.
I had PPP at the beginning of this year....I was hospitalised and I've now recovered but it does feel so real. So real that in fact when I look back, even though I'm better - I still think what happened was real. It really is hard to tell myself it wasn't real because I still don't believe it wasn't ...this case is just so awful. I do believe the epilepsy was a major part. Such a tragic event for everyone ❤️💗❤️
My best friend is epileptic. He has grand mal seizures, and when he comes out of them he will be in a state of confusion where he wanders around the house, attempting to do simple chores, tidying up etc but if you talk to him he is confused and can’t carry on a normal conversation. He is perfectly capable of doing these kind of repetitive physical tasks while in this state, but he won’t remember anything about doing them. I truly think she did it in this state of confusion after the seizure.
If she wanted to intentionally kill the baby and try to frame it as an epileptic episode, all she would have to do is drop the infant to the floor and claim she had a seizure. The optics on this method of killing are so horrendous that I can’t picture anyone choosing it as some covert murder plot. Hopefully the heat rendered the baby unconscious pretty quickly.
I am wondering if she hallucinated a demon, "hid" the baby in the microwave, zoned out, came to somewhat remembering she put something in the microwave, assumed it was food and hit a preset. No matter the cause this is incredibly tragic, poor sweet baby. 💔
I was thinking as soon as she mentioned the baby following something, was she suffering from severe PND ?? I had it with my eldest daughter as I had a long list of mental illnesses that iv dealt with all my life so when I had my eldest I got severe severe PND. I actually lost custody of my daughter when she was one as I left it untreated as I had no support, I was just told I was a awful mother who couldn't bond with my child. But I loved her. So much . But I was TERRIFIED, and I mean absolutely terrified of her. I didn't want to ever ever be left alone with her and I wanted her to sleep constantly. If she was asleep I could just about deal with being around her. The minute she started to wake up my god it was awful. I would start to have massive panic attacks and I just wanted to run as far away from her as possible. My X was beating me and disappearing for weeks at a time. My parents said I was a failure of a mother. I had turned 17 a few months before I gave birth to her and the traumatic birth I think went towards me having a hard time connecting with her. I started to hallucinate. I remember feeding her in the middle of the night when suddenly the walls and floors and bed were covered in cockroaches. I thought ppl were trying to kill me and break into my house. I would constantly think about taking my own life. Sometimes Id be completely immersed in what I was doing when suddenly I had a voice in my head say "go outside and hang yourself from the metal beam." Or I would be crossing the road and it would say "quick, jump in front of that car." I even on a packed train reached into my pants and pulled out my tampon and threw it out the door as I kept telling my X partner I could feel it inside me moving. I could feel it trying to burst through my internal organs to get out like the aliens do in that Sigourney Weaver movie. I was a mess. My self harming went up even worse then it had been before. I was restricting my calorie intake to the point I was going a week, sometimes 2 without eating before I would almost pass out because I was trying to punish myself. I was leaving my daughter with my parents more and more and more as I started self medicating with alcohol and eventually drugs. I eventually ended up in the psych ward for a month where I was diagnosed and treated. When I fell pregnant with my second and last child, another daughter at 20yrs old I was so scared it would happen again. After I had come out of the psych ward I was much better but it still took over a year to get to my pre pregnancy point. Then I spent that time leading up to my second pregnancy punishing myself for loosing custody of my eldest. I drank, popped benzos and painkillers on top of my psych meds and continued to cut myself. Then after a 3day drinking and pill popping session I blacked out at my friend's house while he went to get pizza. I woke to his X housemate finishing having sex with my UNCONCIOUS body. He got up , got dressed and walked out the room saying nothing. I got up, caught a taxi into town and cut my arms so deep I needed to go to hospital for stitches. That assault resulted in my second pregnancy with my youngest. The minute I found out I was pregnant I was scared but determined to do it all right this time. I got off all pills and psych meds (against doc orders but I wasn't having the meds pump through my baby), stopped drinking, I never cut myself again ever, I did all the pregnancy and labour alone, I started my psych meds the day after I gave birth, the hospital kept me in for 11days to monitor me, I had check ups, I moved into my own place when my youngest was 3months old and I started to form a relationship with my eldest. It wasn't easy but I now have a great relationship with both my children. My youngest has always lived with me, my eldest has lived with me for almost 3yrs when she was a young teenager and then when she got a job close to my parents she moved back in with them but we are close, and I have a great relationship with both of my kids. Im now 34, my kids are 17 (turned 17 this April) and 13 (she'll be 14 in Oct this yr), I live in my own house, in a nice area, I have my own car, we have a cat and dog we adore, I was working a courier job until last yr when I decided I wanted to go back to school so I can work with animals (I moved/got kicked out of home at 14 so my schooling ended there as well), I don't drink at all, I don't use drugs at all, I gave up smoking yrs ago and I don't date as I have a rule that my children will not be exposed to potentially very dangerous sick men pretending to be caring step dad's. I was abused as a child and through out my teens and I will never risk my childrens safety for a man. I'd rather wait until both my kids are adults and moved out of home. And we have a good safe little routine. I'm very very honest with my kids about the past and Iv apologized profusely for my mistakes and short comings. My kids know I will always have their backs, take their sides and they can be honest and open with me without fear of judgement and they most certainly are very open with me. I'm the one who runs around with them and their friends. Im the parent that organises the get togethers, the parties, the big slumber parties. Im the parent all the other kids love and I'm the parent they all know regardless of the time or the reason, or whether they've been having a sneaky drink, or they have not been truthful about exactly what they are up to, that no matter what I'll come pick them up and give them a safe place to sleep or stay. It doesn't just have to be my children, I can get them and their friends. No time too late, no place too far, I'd rather be safe then sorry. Your stranded/you feel unsafe? Right where r you? Stay there, give me 30min I'm on the way. I truly think, whether it turns out this story involves PND as I haven't finished it just yet, but if it does involve severe PND, that sometimes people really don't understand the complete delusional thinking and hallucinations and distorted and disturbing break from reality that happens when you have it. It's so real in your head. Like the fear I felt towards my baby and having to mother my baby was the strongest fear iv ever experienced in my life. I felt helpless, hopeless and completely terrified. I couldn't even breast feed her because having her latched onto my skin was body shudderingly awful, it would make me feel physically sick and bring on a panic attack. With my second because I was managed properly I felt so different. The bond with my second was instant. I couldn't get enough of her . I wanted to hold, kiss and cuddle her constantly. I even slept with her for the first 10yrs of her life. And we've lived just us (and for a few yrs my eldest) but mainly just us her whole life where as I couldnt even be alone with my baby in a room in a full house of ppl with my eldest. I still mourn the fact I never got to experience the bond and attachment and enjoyment of parenting and having full custody of my eldest that I had with my youngest. I'm just so glad we all are close and love each other so much now . But PND is no joke . It can literally end life's 😢💔 RIP baby Mirabelle 😢💔
Thank you so much xoxo that truly means a lot, as the guilt of everything is still there today. I try to tell myself that I was sick, very sick, but the whole you were just a terrible mum who couldn't bond with your child still sneaks into my head but deep down I know I was just very unwell. Things took a very long time with many hurtful experiences before we all got to the point we are now. Because even though I got better, my parents never let me forget what they thought of me and point blank refused to help integrate my eldest back over too me until she was old enough to choose herself as my mum at that point strongly felt that motherly bond with my daughter. She would say she's my baby. You are just a older sister to her. And they would never let me make any parental decisions. They also admitted later on that my daughter was their do over child, because of how badly they done dealing with myself and my brother. But we are all human. We all make mistakes. Even them. And I persevered and stayed a constant active presence in my daughter's life and she knows I loved her always, I was just very unwell. And we are all so happy now ♥️ she has not seen her bio Dad since she was 11months old. He never got off drugs or improved. And made no effort to ever see her or contact her. He has just had a new baby with his gf and all I can hope is he is at least not violent anymore. He was so horrible to me, he hurt me so much, physically and mentally and emotionally. I used to beg him to help me, not to leave me alone with our daughter. But he would use her as a weapon to hurt me. He'd leave me alone on purpose with her, sometimes for a week or so at a time. He'd say I was no fun anymore and he preferred to be with friends then me and our daughter . He would see I struggles immensely when she was awake so if I said or done something to make him mad, after my beating he'd go wake her up and say "now go deal with her" and he'd laugh knowing that her being awake was terrifying for me. The last straw for me was when he beat me unconcious while I was holding her. I don't even know what I did to set him off so bad, he was just coming down off drugs and he just went crazy, absolutely crazy. And I couldn't protect my head as I was using my arms and legs to protect my screaming 11month old babys head from his non stop kicks and punches. I started to black out and I even remember screamin' "stop. I can't see . Everything is black. Stop. Your going to hurt *daughter's name*". Then I blacked out and came too with his sister pulling our baby out of his arms and then he dragged me into the shower cus I kept trying to fall asleep as I was concussed. That was it. You could beat me but you weren't putting my baby at risk. Even through the absolute terror I felt towards my child I still loved her. But literally a month later I signed her to my parents after they took me to court for custody because I was just too far gone at that point to be a parent. I just wished I had realised sooner that I was very sick, not just a awful parent, but that I had a literal disease that could of been treated in a mother and babies unit. But you can't change the past unfortunately. But thankfully being equipped with this information meant going into my second pregnancy myself and my doctor's knew the signs to look out for but thankfully going back on my psych meds meant I never experienced it again . I also later on done years of intense therapy to deal with everything that had happened in my life. Which again helped so so so much with my intense feelings of guilt over my eldest daughter but also dealt with all my trauma from all the things that aren't related to pregnancy or my children etc. And I'm just so happy that after it all I have 2 lovely, caring, non judgmental, animal loving, accepting, kind hearted, funny, intelligent, driven daughter's that work hard full time (my eldest) and study hard (my youngest) and I just know they are going to be so valuable to this world and the people they surround themselves with. My oldest is so compassionate, kind and funny and helps me feed, trap and rescue stray cats and also herself rescues mistreated bunnies (we once had 9 rabbits in our garden we were rehabilitating!!). And my youngest is passionate about things important to her and strong willed and strong minded and is very artistic, her drawings are amazing. They are both my favourite people on this planet ♥️♥️
I had Epilepsy as a child. I had Temporal lobe Epilepsy and also Complex partial. I used to do things that I couldn't explain like put the plug in and start running only the hot water for a bath. Or walk around opening all the cupboard doors and slamming them shut. So many different strange behaviours.
After a seizure I would sleep for hours even days. It was extremely exhausting
I now have brain damage and learning disabilities however I am a proficient reader, am very good at scrabble and word games and I still have the ability to drive.
I think the reason Yang kept changing her story is because she honestly doesn't know exactly what happened and she is trying to reconcile it in her own mind. She seems very traumatised but seems to want to take the blame as she feels guilty regardless. It's heartbreaking that this little girl lost her life and that even for her mother, there's no real closure on how it happened. I don't believe there was enough evidence to suggest that she would have done this intentionally.
Yeah, it's like she was trying to piece it together
I agree.
Exactly, that's how trauma is processed. And in a crisis people do find extreme calm due to adrenaline. When my baby stopped breathing I was extremely calm and focused, because I had to get help.
So so sad for all involved,❤
I am a neurology nurse and have seen over the years the most bizarre behaviours and
actions of those suffering a seizure / or indeed an episode of psychosis
This in my opinion cannot be ruled out 😢
My mother is epileptic and I experienced a few episodes years back and we have a long history of varied mental health problems in our family and I have several mental and behavioral disorders and I almost wonder if there also could have been a combination going on here. The brain is so complex and still so much is unknown about it I feel like it’s highly likely she wasn’t in her “right mind”.
Sad but cannot even imagine the pain Mirabelle went through.
Oofft!!! This was a difficult one!!! Thanks Em!
I’m leaning towards innocent - I was diagnosed with epilepsy in my mid thirties, although I’d been unwell for years before that but couldn’t get a correct diagnosis.
I also suffer, for the most part, from complex partial seizures, and have done some really odd things!
Before my epilepsy was well controlled, I once ‘came round’ in a supermarket, with a trolley full of shopping. I had no idea how I got there, the last memory I had was sitting at my desk at work!
Then one night, I was at a works function and ‘went missing’. I texted my husband to say the event was just finishing and I was just getting a taxi home, and would be back in 20 mins. I didn’t appear - and he couldn’t get hold of me. He had to come looking for me and was so frantic, he called my dad to help him. He eventually found me 4 hours later, very dazed and confused, wandering the corridors of the hotel that had hosted the function. The last memory I had was of eating dinner and chatting to clients.
The most upsetting one though, was when I had a full seizure and my son was there. He was only 5 and had witnessed it, when the paramedics came and were questioning me, they’d asked who my son was and I didn’t know. I had ‘come round’ by then but was very confused. He was saying ‘mummy, it’s me’ and I didn’t recognise him at all. I don’t have any memory of this until getting to hospital. He’s 16 now and loves to tell people the story of his ‘crazy mother’ and thinks it’s hilarious.
This case terrifies me as I know how careful I was with my son, when I was first diagnosed he was 3/4 years old and I didn’t take him swimming, or in the car anywhere, or even give him a bath if it was only me in the house. I didn’t drive for 4 years, and only started again when I’d been seizure free for a year. I was terrified of hurting someone by causing an accident.
Epilepsy is an awful illness, but many people don’t realise how dangerous it can be.
So, in summary, I can totally believe how someone could carry out certain tasks and not have any knowledge of it, even something as bad as this.
Much Love ❤️
@@albin2232 thank you 🙏
Complex tasks all completed with emotional aspects. With no consciousness?
I think the prosecution were wrong in saying that Yang was frustrated with the baby because she was interrupting her work. If she had have been, then she could simply have shouted her mother in from the garden to take her while she had finished. And the fact that her mother was in the garden at the time seems really strange. If someone wanted to do something so horrific to their child they surely wouldn’t do it while their mother was in the vicinity. It just seems so strange to me. RIP little angel 👼
As someone who was diagnosed with epilepsy at 4 years old, who had to go through having there medication altered on a number of occasions this case horrifies me for so many different reasons.
Although I’ve never placed my child in a microwave (and only had 3 seizures since her birth) during my teen years especially around the time of the month I have done some actual bizarre things including turning a gas oven on and flicking the lights on as I go back up the stairs to my room. I had no idea of this and only found out because my mum used to watch me do it. I’ve also had seizures where I’ve fallen to the ground, wet myself and injured myself and others around me. When I was told I couldn’t have children I was so grateful because I was always so scared I would put them in danger to then find out I was pregnant absolutely devastated me but during my pregnancy and motherhood I have made so sure to tell my daughter about my history of seizures and to make sure she never comes near me and rings an ambulance just in case.
This is so sad to hear. I don't actually know much about epilepsy but it must be terrifying. You're doing all the right things, and it's great that your daughter knows what to do in an emergency. Hope you continue to stay well ❤
@@huxy6719 I’m incredibly lucky in knowing what triggers my seizures, after many tests and medications so I’m able to avoid most triggers, but epilepsy isn’t a one size fits all and we (as a whole) are still learning from it and about it. Years ago we were told to give people like me ice baths during seizures or spoons in the mouth both of which are extremely dangerous and we are told not to do that now
I absolutely agree my epilepsy is the same I myself have had seizures from the age of 1 I am now on a medication that suits me , exactly the same I got up one morning and got ready as if I was going for a night at a club problem was I worked in a warehouse luckily when I arrived at work my boss noticed something was up he called my mum and she came and picked me up I woke up in bed all dressed up to the nines and remembered not a thing xxxxx
@@claudiavecchio7812 this was the worse part for me, not the wetting myself, or injuring myself when I would drop, but the parts when I would come round and not remember a thing, knowing I wasn’t in control of what I was doing and what kind of a risk I could pose. This is honestly my worse nightmare. I hope you are doing well with yours now
Thank you so much yes I am I have been medication controlled for 20 years thank god I have an amazing neurologist, yes I totally agree the biting your tongue cheeks wetting is bad enough but the total lack of memory I could loose a whole day after a seizure and I was very violent when coming round my mum was so scared because I was frightened of everyone it’s so sad and it’s something I carry with me every day epilepsy runs heavily in my family, hope you are well it’s not very often I ever get to someone that has the same experience xxxxx
Such a devastating story. I wonder though if Yang dropped Mirabelle, had the seizure, came out in a fugue state - picked up the crying baby and went to the kitchen to microwave a bottle to soothe the baby?.... And disaster ensued in her fugue.
She took the 'bottle' out of the microwave, went back, lay down and eventually came out of the fugue to find Mirabelle, hurt, lying beside her ...
It could explain why she was slightly more 'with it' by the time her brother and police were around - she'd already been in fugue for a while and operated the microwave.
It sounds trivial, but we need to know how they usually heated bottles. That will give us a major clue to guilt or innocence.
Honestly, it almost doesn't matter. The whole thing (especially Mirabelle's agony) is devastatingly sad 😢
That makes total sense. I think your theory could explain everything that just doesn't add up in this case
@@HurricaneScully Right? I really do think it's plausible. Poor little Mirabelle 😢
I agree with this hypothesis too!
I can absolutely envision this scenario
I think this is more plausible than that she cold bloodedly murdered her 🤔😭💔
could it be that she normally heats up baby's feed in the microwave, and if the baby was crying as she felt the seizure coming on, that in a confused state she put the baby in the microwave instead of the bottle. I really don't think that she would have deliberately cooked her baby, there are many other ways to kill a baby without torturing it.
This one is hard, but I lean to the innocent side. I had an epileptic mother, crazy shit can happen
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Same here
Can we just appreciate Emma's dedication to the cases she covers❤love her no b.s approach,so refreshing xx
I agree with you 100%!
The 5 minutes button is about the only button we push. I have post concussion amnesia for blocks of time. Very mysterious. We have a Mong community and I remember it was hard for them to assimilate and use social services . It is not necessary for a microwave to be programmed. We have 5, 3, 1, 30 and 10 seconds.
After concussion I hallucinated for days have huge blocks of amnesia wet myself etc .there does seem to be reasonable doubt to me as no motive and the presence of others. Her mother could have walked in any minute Also wasn't there the one young boy at home and dad returning. I just don't see men's rea, malice aforethought, premeditation etc. I would have hung the jury and not be ruled by the horrific nature. In U$ I was heartbroken to learn we have had a prisoner cooked and another frozen.
After concussion I hallucinated for days have huge blocks of amnesia wet myself etc .there does seem to be reasonable doubt to me as no motive and the presence of others. Her mother could have walked in any minute Also wasn't there the one young boy at home and dad returning. I just don't see men's rea, malice aforethought, premeditation etc. I would have hung the jury and not be ruled by the horrific nature. In U$ I was heartbroken to learn we have had a prisoner cooked and another frozen.
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for someone who's had no history of alarming/disturbing behaviour to 'snap' in anger, by perhaps hitting their kid to death/taking their frustration out or something would seem maybe plausible to me.
but consciously killing the baby in the most sadistic/pretty long way just seems a bit unbelievable
Yeah her doing this consciously doesn’t follow. Even if Mirabelle was fusty to the point of being intolerable, Yang’s mother was right outside. Yang would have easily been able to get a break. And the fact that she was always a protective and loving mother really makes it hard to believe that she did this on purpose and with intent. It just doesn’t follow. There is no logical timeline to support such a thing; no prior hints, no red flags. People don’t just intentionally change in a split second. That’s not how any of that works.
That jury was made up of a passel of vindictive idiots, by the sounds of things. There seems to be a nationally recognized ignorance of mental and neurological health complications in the States. They’ll use words like “evil” to describe genuinely sick people. Bit medieval, from what I’ve heard.
She was basically imprisoned for being an epileptic. I’m not downplaying what happened to her child for one second. But she can be legally innocent in the face of that. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
I’m epileptic and this horrifies me. 5 children and 2 grandchildren and never has my epilepsy made me sick enough to microwave anything other than popcorn! Frustrated isn’t strong enough for how this made me. Fantastically empathetic coverage as always Emma ❤
Your epilepsy and that of others aren’t identical though. I’m sorry you have to deal with this condition: it can be tough to manage. My dad had petit mal seizures as a kid and I know it made his life more challenging during that time.
😦 just started watching and .... a microwave. Wtf
My friend was epileptic and she had 3 kids as well. She caught their house on fire once during a seizure by placing something in the oven and walking outside... Thankfully the girls were in school and while her son (3 at the time) was home, it didn't reach his room because it was really minor.
@@InvaderTee She walked outside & then she had a seizure so she wasn't able to turn off the oven?
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I watch true crime videos daily and i genuinely think this is the one that has made me feel the most physically ill. I cannot even comprehend this. That poor sweet baby.
The partial seizure theory interests me, could she have possibly in a confused state thought “I need to warm a bottle of milk for the baby” and accidentally put the baby in there instead? I remember the tiredness of having a newborn and I used to struggle to speak and keep count of how many scoops of formula I put in a bottle. If you add tiredness to seizure confusion I can imagine serious accidents could happen 😔 rest in peace little mirabelle ❤
I thought the same. As that's the only reason I can think how a microwave was involved. Be interesting to know if she warned the bottles this way.
@@SARAHCRITCHLEY-ci1kd yes that was my thoughts. I am not epileptic so I can’t say how seizures affect someone but I suppose this is the only way I can get my head around what happened. Normally I’m either firmly in the belief someone was guilty or innocent but this case had confused me and I am willing to have a small amount of empathy because we just do not know the answers.
Good point.
This was my thought too. Maybe she thought she was warming food or a bottle. I know people kill their children, But I can't imagine her first thought would be to kill her baby in such a slow painful way. It would be unnecessarily cruel. I'd like to hope she wouldn't anyway.
I once went looking for my baby's clothes in the fridge thinking it was the wardrobe for a second... It's crazy how your brain gets totally scrambled with tiredness when you have a newborn.. Let alone if you add having fits to the mix
What a horrifying case!
Speaking of what people are capable of while being unconscious, it reminds me of the case of Peter Porco. Quote from Wiki: "After waking up, he carried out his morning routine before finally dying, as he had written a check for Christopher, made a packed lunch and attempted to load the dishwasher in the kitchen during the time before his death."
He did it with half of his head chopped off with an axe. He didn't notice his severely wounded wife or the fact that he himself was mortally wounded.
It also reminds me of my own cases of sleepwalking. Once, I woke up standing in the middle of the room with a remote in my hand, and the tv was on.
So unconsciously pressing some buttons on a microwave doesn't seem too far-fetched for me, if it was a routine action to her.
I'm curious to know if the mother had experienced any seizures since the delivery of Mirabel. To me, this feels like a mix of epilepsy and post partum psychosis. Seeing the grim reaper, dark shadows and demonic figures is very common in post partum psychosis. Also, if the mother had been off her epilepsy meds during her pregnancy it may have taken an extended period of time for her meds to be fully effective again. A small seizure may have lowered her reasoned thinking just enough for her to act out her psychosis. Of course, my thoughts are with this baby that lost her life in an unimaginable way.
I was thinking this too.
This sounds like the most likely scenario in my mind as well.
This is the only thing I can see happening too
And within the Hmong culture, this makes even more sense-your inclusion of "demons" or some such. This poor family.
Absolutely. It's so common to take women off of important medications during pregnancy and results can be devastating. I know a woman who was forced to stop her thyroid medication and all 3 of her children had major birth defects. Allowing seizures to continue unabated is her doctor's and tbh, her family's responsibility considering she could not control her illness or her actions...women matter so little in our society that they get thrown under a bus whenever opportunity presents itself.
Weird microwave. All ours have single buttons for 30 seconds and 1 through 9 minutes. Also weird she even had a driver's license. When my sister fell asleep and slipped off her chair her doctor took away her driving license for 6 months in case it was a seizure.
I have a 6 month old granddaughter and I found this so hard to listen to, but made myself do so for the little ones who suffered so grotesquely. I also listened, just in case the mothers' really are completely innocent of murder but victims of their medical conditions.. It really is so hard to comprehend anyone, let alone a mother, putting a tiny, vulnerable child into a microwave and shutting the door! I feel sick just thinking about it! Great coverage Emma.. told with compassion, intellect and no unnecessary bullpoop drama, just the facts as they have been provided. Thank You
psychosis can happen to any one of us at any time as I found out 4 years ago when it crept up on my Daughter & changed our lives forever . its the worst illness ever & I wouldnt wish it on any one. Love your channel Emma xx
I feel sick to the stomach just hearing how poor Mirabelle died. Its beyond horrific and comprehension to me.
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I can't imagine the absolute terror and pain of that baby she didn't deserve that
My wife has epilepsy and I can confirm the confusion is real. Once she came around from a seizure knowing she needed to leave but didn’t know why or where to go so she got on her bicycle and set off riding at 2AM in the morning! Another time an Ambulance was called and the EMT asked her her date of birth but she couldn’t remember except to tell him it was the day after her best friends. Thankfully her epilepsy is very well managed with medication for the last 20 years and she’s only suffered a few very mild incidents in that time. The best way she described them to me was like your computer getting the blue screen of death and rebooting whilst you’re in the middle of working. She doesn’t get any warning apart from once which was flashing lights a split second before the seizure and she didn’t remember the warning until 2 weeks afterwards.
You cant get in a bike and ride in a post ictal state. You usually have to have diazepam up the bottom in a tube. Then you have to have your obs done in hospital in case you have a brain injury. And rule out stroke.
My husband could’ve made this comment! Lol! My epilepsy sounds exactly like your wife’s and her explanation of how she feels is very close to my own!
@RitzyRoo you can do many things in this state maybe not well coordinated , probably very confused, definitely exhausted. Rectal diazepam is given during the seizure to varying effects . We should not invalidate the experience of others. Epilepsy has enough medical stigma as it is.
@@ritzyroo353 absolutely incorrect. You're trying to give ONE answer for every case, that's not how science works
@ritzyroo353 Nope, not really. Some people are already on the medication that's ment to help stabilize the seizures, what you're talking about is typically only done for certain epileptic patients who are ordered it. You're describing only ONE sort of treatment.
After a seizure a person is in a catatonic state and they can continue to walk, sometimes talk but they will make absolutely no sense at all. I was blacked out for 3 days after my 3 seizures and my mom said I was talking just fine and going to the bathroom on my own, when I came to I had no clue why I was in the hospital or how long I was in there for. They apparently ran all types of tests, I guess I was taking my medication all by mouth too cause the nurse came in with them later that day. That's when I told her I'm actually refusing my gabapentin because I was positive it caused my seizures and multiple very terrible migraines. Never had a migraine since I quit taking them. But you can absolutely walk around and do things, doesn't mean there's a reason or that it even makes sense. but If you're already diagnosed an epileptic, they don't need to run tests on you after every seizure. You just keep the person safe until they have truly come back to reality, which depends on how bad the seizure was.
My best friend has epilepsy. I’ve been sat with her and I know when she’s going to have a fit. She had similar to this epileptic fits. She has the usual shaking ect, but she has one where she does not know what she’s doing. Her son has conjunctivitis. She was giving him eye drops. I was holding him. She tried to feed him eye drops. I told her no! She had a go at me tried to take him off me. And continue to try to feed him. This lasted 10 minutes. When she came too she was mortified! She also used the microwave oven, putting random things inside. I’ve never been so scared in my life. Eye drops would have killed him.
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And letecia stauch didn’t have a history of violence against her or her step children before she murder Gannon either .
So sorry must be a hard day for you sending a hug 🫂
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I’d like to know how many hours had passed between the event & the interviews, how many hours she was interrogated for & how much sleep she had had etc. The interrogation techniques used by detectives in the USA can induce false confessions. I wouldn’t give her “confessions” any more weight than I do eyewitness identifications of strangers in other cases.
I want to know if she received medical care before the interrogations.
Yes exactly. My mum has a form of a fit (not even epileptic) with MS and when she came round she was exhausted.
She had no idea what had happened and was exhausted. Having to then sit through interview after interview would have been a no go
Emma i would love to hear your perspective on the letecia Stauch and lori vallow cases x
Yay!!! so glad to see you Emma.xx. We were getting worried. I suspect a lot of us have been hanging around like stalkers for the past hour. We knew you would never let us down. Bless you.xx
Yep...constantly checking haha
Same here 😂
Yep same. I was wondering what happened to you, Emma!
Same.
Like a monkey on a tree branch, not getting their bananas. 😂😂😂. Don’t worry guys I put the watching machine on and waited. Not climbing trees. 😂❤
I was at Emma’s Serial Killer Next Door show last night right at the front it was amazing she is fantastic and exactly the same in person as she is on here x
Wow going in September. Kind of excited.😂
@@sianbeecham2825 it’s amazing you’ll love it it goes so quick as well and she makes you laugh just as much as through a you tube video x
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I've always wondered why I'm hearing "disorientated" vs "disoriented" and see it's mostly a UK used word meaning the same.
As a mother who suffers from epilepsy, this case scares the living daylights out of me, I can hardly catch my breath. The thought of hurting my children during a fit seems unthinkable. I am very, very conflicted with this one. But my god, that poor baby, thinking of her dying that way rips my heart out.
Once again, brilliantly presented by Emma ❤
This is the first episode I thought I'd have to turn off. It's so incredibly heartbreaking to listen to. As always, you did a wonderful job telling the story. Thank you.
I've had a few I had to stop. This was also nearly one of them. I wanted to throw up when hearing about how the little baby died. It must be so hard for the professionals who are dealing directly with these cases. Some have to leave their jobs due to PTSD. I can understand why.
I don’t have epilepsy but i do have PNES another seizure disorder. I haven’t finished watching the video yet but i find it hard to believe she did this intentionally. I have had many experiences where i have woken up and done strange things after my seizure without any memory. one time after a seizure my friend only left me only for a little bit and the front door was wide open and i wasn’t there. my friend found me in the parking lot with two different shoes (like two completely different shoes and on the wrong feet) twerking in the parking lot. this is not a common occurrence though but it happened and i have no memory of it. Also all the epileptic medications are horrible with terrible side effects so i empathize why she didn’t take medication. nothing like this has happened but the brain is crazy and that’s what i’ve learned. there needs to be more studies done on seizure disorders. I still have seizures but i manage it with cannabis and it’s the only thing that has helped. this case is very sad but it’s important topic that most people are not educated on.
I found your channel a couple weeks ago, and have been binge-watching your content since. Your deep dives are fantastic!
I love your content. I watched you on a documentary when I was younger. I fell in love with your deep dives. When I finished the series of documentaries you were on. I tried others documentaries and it just wasn’t the same. Your name always stuck with me and I have looked around for your content ever since.
You were a great role model for me growing up. I remember being in awe of you.
I would always say to my mum “look how beautiful and intelligent she is”
So I love watching this content as it feels like a lil comfort blanket of my childhood ☺️
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I can't believe her to be guilty - people have done bizaar things during temporal lobe epilepsy. Great analysis Emma, thanks.
Wow this story is, wow. Thank you Emma for doing what you do. Do amazing coverage for all these victims, all with the same care and understanding.
I am currently 25 weeks pregnant and this is so terrifying and sad. I do not know how a mother could harm the child they carried for 9 months and birthed. It shocks me every time I see about it. Even the stories you’ve covered with the physical abuse or even knowing about the harm . It’s just a baby, a defenseless child. It breaks my heart and make me love my daughter even more and cannot wait to meet her in September
Good luck with having your little girl in September, lots if precious memories to be made ☺
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This case is absolutely horrendous, but the lovely Emma tells it so well ❤
This was a very hard watch 😢😢, I genuinely don't know what to think. I just hope justice prevails either way. Rip Beautiful Angel ❣️
Thanks for your dedication and attention to detail Em 💛 we appreciate you 🙏
I absolutely love your videos Emma! Your approach is so refreshing and your dedication is really appreciated ❤
I couldn’t find this upload last night 😢 Checked YT until 7.24 and gave up. Listening now before work and in the first half hour, I have chills.
I’m also conflicted. She genuinely seemed to adore her little girl and I can’t help wondering why she would suddenly put her in the microwave when she had not shown any signs of wanting to harm her children before.
I agree. She's shown zero signs previously of being the type of person that would do this out of malice. I really feel like something had to happen to cause her to do something so uncharacteristic.
She might have had a mental breakdown from the pregnancy like a psychosis
And why microwave her when she would be more likely to… shake her? Throw her? Microwaving is such a bizarre idea. Babies and microwaves aren’t two things that go together. If this mother really wanted to harm or kill her baby why would she think microwave first, shaking/suffocation last? If she was crying she would’ve shaken her before walking down to the kitchen, forcing the baby in, and picking 5 min.
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This is EXACTLY why I refuse to keep my grandkids without my partner or my Aunt being in the rooms with us. I also have seizures & its true that you can't remember what happens, so I avoid any possible situation that could possibly harm another human.
That must be incredibly challenging but for you to know and understand the importance of this is heart warming ❤
You give cases such justice Emma. My Wednesday are free when my husbands at work and I have my true crime day! What a case things that people do are just something you never would ever think of. Horrific! Your looking radiant tonight Emma. ❤
Totally different situation, but my youngest child who is 1.5 had a febrile seizure in March and i am a nurse, but it scared the absolute 💩 out of me. I walked in to check on him during his nap and found him mid seizure and initially thought he was choking to death or something catastrophic had happened. Luckily, within minutes he recovered totally. This is just to say, seizures can be terrifying.
My God !!! That must have been beyond terrifying 😲
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I think my mum suffered with post parted depression. She told me that after I was born she thought she had died. Looking after me daily, she did but thought she was dead but comforted herself by thinking that if that was the case at least she was with her family. She also gave me to the local shopkeeper because she could not cope and felt frightened about what she mite do. Do you think this could have been post parted Emma? I’m going back 60 years
Your poor Mum. In those days people didn't understand things...later we had the phrase "the baby blues" which was a throwaway name for a serious condition. Trying to give you to the local shopkeeper was an act of love to protect you. It's so sad for both you and her.
@@jwsuicides8095 Thankyou so much. Mum was never diagnosed however she did ,later in life refer to that time as having baby blues but i do think it was post partum x
My sister’s boy drowned about 7years ago, the moment reality struck my sister got a heartattack… right then and there.. and to this day she cry’s every single day😢
looking forward to this case today, thank you for sharing the cases of all that you do and being as respectful as you are. Truly appreciate it
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This is a difficult case. My partner suffers from seizures, but something else obviously happens because he can partake in physical activities before he comes back to full consciousness. We know this because the last four times, he has woken up out in street, in the wrong apartment, and has always been somewhere where he is found by a stranger, who then calls an ambulance. This suggests that there's a lot medical practitioners don't understand about the nature of different types of seizure and what is happening to the brain around the event. If my partner can have such violent seizures that he sometimes requires stitches and often dislocates his shoulder AND get out of a deadbolted front door, and do God-knows-what before he manages to enter an unknown home and passes out - with only a recollection of that day's morning - then I believe a perfectly loving mother can do something as horrifying as microwaving her baby. All my partner's doctors do is increase his anti-seizure medication. No one is interested in researching the causes of the odd behaviour some patients engage in 🤷🏽♀️. I wonder how many cases the courts need to see before someone pulls their finger out and does proper medical research.
Agree and the lack of memory or any knowledge of significant actions must be terrifying.
It reminds me of sleep-walking. The actions are all there but without the brain to connect them, they're just a series of random behaviours. Eg: Grabbing one object thinking it's another one.
@@Stopthisrightnow560 ❤I've slept walked in the middle of the street when I was found I was saying they want me to find the corn ,I've been found in friends halls with covering over me I've even sent texts whilst asleep .mine normally happens when I've been stressed .
I agree, I struggle to believe that an otherwise completely stable and loving mother could do something as horrific as this without there being some previous red flags as to her nature, it is such an extreme thing to do xx
Emma I totally do the same with the microwave if I need it on for 2 minutes I just press start 4 times as start is 30 seconds, Im too lazy to actually program it prop. Terribly horrific case, that poor baby I have trouble thinking about that level of suffering in infants😢 very tough case, thank you for bringing awareness to these cases.
Fascinating analysis of a very complex & nuanced, tragic case Emma. Thank you!
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Hi Emma. I never miss a show since I first watched one of your episodes. I even went back to watch ALL of your previous ones. I was diagnosed with Epilepsy a few years ago and after my first seizure I did things that I had no memory of. My stepmom has had epilepsy most of her life. Some years ago she actually had a seizure in the bathroom and broke her leg in 3 places. She went to work for 3 days after that, as a hairdresser, before going to the hospital to be told that her leg was broken. The reason I'm telling you this is that she actually has no memory of those 3 days even though she was able to perform all her daily routines, including work. I know that it is very difficult for us to believe that people could do things without knowing what they are doing but if we consider the complexity of the human brain then anything is possible.
I'm sure that if I myself hadn't ever experienced doing things which I had no memory of even though I get told what I had done and been shown proof of doing these things then I would also automatically think that it's probably just a method of excuse to get away with murder.
Thank you so much for all that you do to explore all sides of the crimes.
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hello there. I'm in Johannesburg South Africa
@@ingridcowlard8175 nice place you live, how is the weather in South Africa?
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First time watcher..and the opening production credits have sold me. The song and blood soaked sheet.. probably gonna subscribe n havent even heard the storytelling. Good on ya
Also, as a nurse, I've seen many people with seizure and a myriad of neurological disorders. The brain is a mysterious organ even to the doctors who specialize in the study and treatment of the same.
Perhaps she really doesn't recall what happened and is simply trying to justify this horrible event that she herself can't fathom.
I've seen people with the kindest, most docile personalities turn into violent, dangerous monsters straight from the deepest pit of hell following a head injury. Seizure activity is much like that...a brain injury that is temporary and the patient recovers. People with multi-focal seizures such as she has may suffer worsening and changing in the pattern of their seizures.
Her history and personality just doesn't strike me as a murderer, especially of her own child.
I do believe she should seriously consider family planning for the future. She should consider the devastation of a child inheriting her condition.
Omg I have never been so conflicted before !this case played on my mind for ages after watching it! I have had psychosis and I've been able to get dressed and cooked my lunch throughout an episode but couldn't remember doing any of it! I just played with my mind so much however I'm certain she didn't definitely want to hurt her child,she seemed like a loving mother! It's one of those difficult cases
I usually come away from watching these videos with a very strong opinion of guilt or innocence. With this one? For the love of God, my head is spinning. I just can't imagine a mother no matter how EVIL she may be, putting her baby in a microwave to end their life.
She does not seem like an evil person. She would need to be pure evil to consciously do that diabolical act on her own child. I believe she is innocent but will suffer a life sentence of guilt. God bless you and your family Maureen 🙏
@@jackteare8292 God bless you too. 🙏🙏🙏
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The oven I could understand... microwave... not so much
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I think this is one of the cruelest thing I've heard 😢 that poor sweet little soul. Evil comes in all forms doesn't it.
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I don’t think she had any idea what she was doing or memory of doing it. I also think she was in a state of utter shock afterwards.
Can I ask respectfully why you think that?
I thought I had the days mixed up, glad your now here 😊
PS watched a shortish podcast on one of the most sickening stories today, The House of Horrors in Philadelphia 😳 if you could cover that Emma sometime please 🙏
They used to be called grand mal seizures. My grandmother had them. She actually fell down the stairs with me in her arms as a newborn. It was awful and horrific.she flopped around like the girl from the exorcist. The lesser ones were called petite mal seizures. And she would stare off into space and lose her bladder and talk in tongues.and she got angry afterwards. But made no sense.so she was angry about things that didn't happen but she assessed that they did. When my grandmother fell she actually thought someone pushed her. There was no one else there.
Each seizure is different. And they try to make sense of something that can't make sense to them. They don't remember. And being calm is just a lack comprehension. She doesn't know what happened
My mother in law did this and actually killed her infant daughter. 😢
These are always very informative, interesting watches. It's good to get straight facts from a true crime show. Thanks Emma, keep up the mahi
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Emma is always worth the wait x
Always worth the wait! Thank you
Bless you Emma you don't have to say sorry for being late x
I am 34 weeks pregnant and this is one of the most horrific cases I've heard about, and I've seen all the videos in your channel and have been following for a year now, religiously...usually I discuss the cases with friends and family, but this one I cant talk about...
My heart is breaking for this horrific incident to have happened.
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I'm only halfway thru the video rn, but it is possible for ppl with certain kinds of epilepsy to perform very complex actions and have no recollection of doing it
Yes posters here mention stories where they open locked doors and find themselves in other people’s homes etc
Definitely a complicated set of circumstances. Glad i didn't have to judge this case. Hope this lady gets good help cause she's gonna need it. How can she ever forgive herself, let alone put it behind her or ever get the images out of her head🥺
Thanks Emma, for another presentation. Done with care and compassion and a great understanding of the human psyche. I look forward to your posts each week. I have a difficult time with the child torture ones but watch all the others
I have epilepsy and never microwaved a child. However, my seizures are very similar and I have seen shadows and have felt something/someone has been in my house. So much so I have got a bat and been cowering in a corner and I have called my doctor. I have also had hallucinations where I have truly believed is 100% real and in one I have killed someone but not just killed someone, I have tortured them in the most horrendous way. When I have come too I was petrified because I 100% thought I’d killed someone.
That must be so hard to deal with.
@@jwsuicides8095 it is horrible. I only got diagnosed 3 years ago and I believe it was when I start having to inject Arthritis meds. I thought I was going mad tbh. I’ve also damaged my frontal lobe which has changed my life significantly. I can’t work as I can’t concentrate with complex info, I forget words, can’t organise stuff, taste and smell have gone. I’m devastated tbh. 🥲
@@lise1806 That's a lot to deal with. I can empathise in that I've gone through neurological problems since I was very young. I was saying elsewhere under comments here that just last night I couldn't understand how to close my back door. I've lived here for over 20 years and it's been the same door. Had to leave the door open all night and my carer closed it this morning. It's entirely different to dementia or forgetfulness...it's like huge holes in my brain at the time. Can't access what's there.
I hope you have people around you to help you with the organising as that can alleviate the stresses and also any resultant mistakes. The not working thing is a whole other world of loss...I loved my job, the independence it gave me, the joy, the interesting people I met, and have mourned it for years.
Devastation is a realistic reaction. I hope there are other joys in your life to enrich you. x
@@jwsuicides8095 I don’t think others really understand the affect a brain injury can be. I can be really inappropriate - but I don’t mean to be it’s my brain. I’ll laugh at funerals, I can understand why people react the way they do when that happens, but I can never explain because, to them, the reality is they think ”shut up, that’s impossible you’re just an insensitive cow!” I just don’t attend things like that anymore. I’ve worked since I was 19 and I have never been out of work and since I’ve had children (10 & 11) I have instilled in them that working is the only option, you get nothing for free, but now I’m on benefits they see something else and I hate it. The benefit system in this country is shocking! I’ve paid tax and NI since I was 19 and apart from PIP and ESA in group, I get nothing else, a small amount of UC too but not enough to stop me losing my house and making me and my kids homeless! My kids are my carers and I’m just broken with it. They’re not getting the childhood they deserve and I can’t take them anywhere fun. I have a hard time with my eldest at the moment and it breaks my heart, it really does. I feel like such a 💩 mum.
Hey Emma love this chanel and all the hard work you put in to each case. I would love you to do a proper deep dive in to the Moors Murders. I just think you would do that case justice and give it the dignity and respect it deserves. Xx
So as an epileptic with regular seizures very similar to those she describes usually im confused and just sleep after but on rare occasion (single digits in hundreds of seizures) i have been known to get up and start doing random chores around the house in a trance. Ive washed up, put washing away, done a variety of things...all in the wrong places but they are all things that ive done before, that i had to do before my seizure and that i did on auto pilot. Ive never done anything new to me and it is still after a period of sleep and confusion. Never immediate. Is it possible....the idea is terrifying for all epilepsy sufferers for sure but im not fully convinced.
Thanks for sharing your relevant experiences on the matter. I had no idea before this that such behaviours could happen during a seizure so it's good to be educated on this. All the best to you.
So beautiful emma you our so talented very professional and attention to detail outstanding ❤❤❤❤
I wonder if it takes a toll on Emma having to tell these stories twice a week. It must be mentally draining.
Much respect to her as the researching of these crimes alone have got to be traumatic. 😢
Probably. She doesn't 'have' to do it though.
@@julietarossetti7426 that's true.
I almost missed this! Thank you Emma for all the great work and all the cases that you shine a brighter light on! I only a found your channel a few weeks ago but I am loving it and I think I watch at least one of your videos every day and even if I can’t afford to support your work financially I will keep showing up and support the work you do so I guess I’m becoming a part of your crime cult now! ❤ x
If I had done that to my baby for whatever reason I wouldn’t be able to live with it. I wouldn’t care what happened to me even if I was innocent and had done it because of a psychotic episode I definitely wouldn’t want to go on.
Great point ❤
Without seeming cruel, I'm not sure you could fit a baby into a microwave, you'd have to use some effort to get limbs in, I think it would prevent the glass plate from moving due to the weight and size of an average 7lb 8 ounce newborn. God bless little one
Ma again, if you put too much weight on the microwave plate, or prevent it from circulating if for whatever reason it is stopped from rotating, the microwave will auto shut down. The defense must have experimented with dolls of similar weight and size in a microwave. I too have epilepsy and all I can do it barely walk after I've been shaking. I couldn't hold a pencil, let alone a baby. I have such sympathy for the mother and grieve for the family. Fly with angels wings my sweet.
Indeed it would be hard to live after that if innocent. I've seen someone in court in a similar situation just give up and leave the courts to punish them. When you have other children though it must be different. She's got 3 boys. An innocent person would also want them to help them. They have the options of believing for the rest of their lives that their mother murdered their sister in the cruelest way possible, or believing that their mother had an illness or illnesses that caused her to act without knowing what she was doing. That's a tough one.
Loving the hair Emms 😍
I agree with you about the possibility of the microwave settings. I am completely conflicted with this case and not sure where I stand on it. I do feel there needs to be more investigation and maybe second opinions from different doctors. This is a hard one.
What a case to cover, I have seen Short videos on this but can’t wait to hear you take x
The fact that there's another case where another woman put her baby 8n the microwave during a seizure is very compelling! If she was just fed up with the baby, faking a fall on top of it would have been easier, but maybe she read about the other case? I'm not sure we will ever know. If she was a murderous psycho, wouldn't there be other clues? The husband would surely know her well enough. A very unusual case, and very well covered.
Phew me to thought something was very wrong thank goodness 🙏🙏💗💗💙💙💙💙 187K CONGRATULATIONS 👏 🎉❤
Its almost like her brain went on autopilot and tried to microwave a bottle for her... Kinda like when someone sleepwalks- their body isnt paralyzed but their mind is.
I thought that , you can get so tired and with the epilepsy..I don't suffer with that but once caught myself on sofa after feeding baby ..actually winding my tom cat instead of the baby , talk about brain fog
Hi Emma, thank you for talking about this sad and horrible case. Its beyond comprehension what happened to this baby, heartbreaking.😢 Its hard to judge. But if I would have gone through what Yang described, I would have been hysterical and broken, unable to live full stop. What seems strange is how calm her demeanour was. Nothing makes sense here.
I'm the same as Em, very conflicted over this. I do think she deserves a retrial and the jury need to made clearly aware of all the differing types of epilepsy she suffered and how she could have presented etc. She showed nothing but devotion to the children and her Dr said no signs of postpartum issues, no psychosis etc so it is baffling. I'm leaning on the side of epilepsy due to that.
Hello Emma. This was just sad from start to finish. What an illness to have. I worked with a girl years ago and the Docs told her NOT to have children's she also had Epileptic fits. She was so confused as to what to do. JUSTICE FOR ARTHUR & STAR AND ALL THE WEE CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN MURDERED.
Emma, you look particularly glamorous today! You and Lisa Eldridge are my favorite TH-cam beauties across the pond. This story was fascinating but the way the child died is unfathomable in its horror.
That yellow looks cracking with your Amber ring Emma 💛… Fascinating case again
I had PPP at the beginning of this year....I was hospitalised and I've now recovered but it does feel so real. So real that in fact when I look back, even though I'm better - I still think what happened was real. It really is hard to tell myself it wasn't real because I still don't believe it wasn't ...this case is just so awful. I do believe the epilepsy was a major part. Such a tragic event for everyone ❤️💗❤️
My best friend is epileptic. He has grand mal seizures, and when he comes out of them he will be in a state of confusion where he wanders around the house, attempting to do simple chores, tidying up etc but if you talk to him he is confused and can’t carry on a normal conversation. He is perfectly capable of doing these kind of repetitive physical tasks while in this state, but he won’t remember anything about doing them. I truly think she did it in this state of confusion after the seizure.
Lovin the mustard yellow 💛
Love you Emma and this community ❤
Not every case follows a set paradigm. I know this from having been in the medical field for 47 years.
Oh my gosh from the inside out!! My heart dropped when you said that. Horrible
If she wanted to intentionally kill the baby and try to frame it as an epileptic episode, all she would have to do is drop the infant to the floor and claim she had a seizure. The optics on this method of killing are so horrendous that I can’t picture anyone choosing it as some covert murder plot. Hopefully the heat rendered the baby unconscious pretty quickly.
I am wondering if she hallucinated a demon, "hid" the baby in the microwave, zoned out, came to somewhat remembering she put something in the microwave, assumed it was food and hit a preset.
No matter the cause this is incredibly tragic, poor sweet baby. 💔
I was thinking as soon as she mentioned the baby following something, was she suffering from severe PND ?? I had it with my eldest daughter as I had a long list of mental illnesses that iv dealt with all my life so when I had my eldest I got severe severe PND. I actually lost custody of my daughter when she was one as I left it untreated as I had no support, I was just told I was a awful mother who couldn't bond with my child. But I loved her. So much . But I was TERRIFIED, and I mean absolutely terrified of her. I didn't want to ever ever be left alone with her and I wanted her to sleep constantly. If she was asleep I could just about deal with being around her. The minute she started to wake up my god it was awful. I would start to have massive panic attacks and I just wanted to run as far away from her as possible. My X was beating me and disappearing for weeks at a time. My parents said I was a failure of a mother. I had turned 17 a few months before I gave birth to her and the traumatic birth I think went towards me having a hard time connecting with her. I started to hallucinate. I remember feeding her in the middle of the night when suddenly the walls and floors and bed were covered in cockroaches. I thought ppl were trying to kill me and break into my house. I would constantly think about taking my own life. Sometimes Id be completely immersed in what I was doing when suddenly I had a voice in my head say "go outside and hang yourself from the metal beam." Or I would be crossing the road and it would say "quick, jump in front of that car." I even on a packed train reached into my pants and pulled out my tampon and threw it out the door as I kept telling my X partner I could feel it inside me moving. I could feel it trying to burst through my internal organs to get out like the aliens do in that Sigourney Weaver movie. I was a mess. My self harming went up even worse then it had been before. I was restricting my calorie intake to the point I was going a week, sometimes 2 without eating before I would almost pass out because I was trying to punish myself. I was leaving my daughter with my parents more and more and more as I started self medicating with alcohol and eventually drugs. I eventually ended up in the psych ward for a month where I was diagnosed and treated.
When I fell pregnant with my second and last child, another daughter at 20yrs old I was so scared it would happen again. After I had come out of the psych ward I was much better but it still took over a year to get to my pre pregnancy point. Then I spent that time leading up to my second pregnancy punishing myself for loosing custody of my eldest. I drank, popped benzos and painkillers on top of my psych meds and continued to cut myself. Then after a 3day drinking and pill popping session I blacked out at my friend's house while he went to get pizza. I woke to his X housemate finishing having sex with my UNCONCIOUS body. He got up , got dressed and walked out the room saying nothing. I got up, caught a taxi into town and cut my arms so deep I needed to go to hospital for stitches. That assault resulted in my second pregnancy with my youngest. The minute I found out I was pregnant I was scared but determined to do it all right this time. I got off all pills and psych meds (against doc orders but I wasn't having the meds pump through my baby), stopped drinking, I never cut myself again ever, I did all the pregnancy and labour alone, I started my psych meds the day after I gave birth, the hospital kept me in for 11days to monitor me, I had check ups, I moved into my own place when my youngest was 3months old and I started to form a relationship with my eldest. It wasn't easy but I now have a great relationship with both my children. My youngest has always lived with me, my eldest has lived with me for almost 3yrs when she was a young teenager and then when she got a job close to my parents she moved back in with them but we are close, and I have a great relationship with both of my kids. Im now 34, my kids are 17 (turned 17 this April) and 13 (she'll be 14 in Oct this yr), I live in my own house, in a nice area, I have my own car, we have a cat and dog we adore, I was working a courier job until last yr when I decided I wanted to go back to school so I can work with animals (I moved/got kicked out of home at 14 so my schooling ended there as well), I don't drink at all, I don't use drugs at all, I gave up smoking yrs ago and I don't date as I have a rule that my children will not be exposed to potentially very dangerous sick men pretending to be caring step dad's. I was abused as a child and through out my teens and I will never risk my childrens safety for a man. I'd rather wait until both my kids are adults and moved out of home. And we have a good safe little routine. I'm very very honest with my kids about the past and Iv apologized profusely for my mistakes and short comings. My kids know I will always have their backs, take their sides and they can be honest and open with me without fear of judgement and they most certainly are very open with me. I'm the one who runs around with them and their friends. Im the parent that organises the get togethers, the parties, the big slumber parties. Im the parent all the other kids love and I'm the parent they all know regardless of the time or the reason, or whether they've been having a sneaky drink, or they have not been truthful about exactly what they are up to, that no matter what I'll come pick them up and give them a safe place to sleep or stay. It doesn't just have to be my children, I can get them and their friends. No time too late, no place too far, I'd rather be safe then sorry. Your stranded/you feel unsafe? Right where r you? Stay there, give me 30min I'm on the way.
I truly think, whether it turns out this story involves PND as I haven't finished it just yet, but if it does involve severe PND, that sometimes people really don't understand the complete delusional thinking and hallucinations and distorted and disturbing break from reality that happens when you have it. It's so real in your head. Like the fear I felt towards my baby and having to mother my baby was the strongest fear iv ever experienced in my life. I felt helpless, hopeless and completely terrified. I couldn't even breast feed her because having her latched onto my skin was body shudderingly awful, it would make me feel physically sick and bring on a panic attack. With my second because I was managed properly I felt so different. The bond with my second was instant. I couldn't get enough of her . I wanted to hold, kiss and cuddle her constantly. I even slept with her for the first 10yrs of her life. And we've lived just us (and for a few yrs my eldest) but mainly just us her whole life where as I couldnt even be alone with my baby in a room in a full house of ppl with my eldest. I still mourn the fact I never got to experience the bond and attachment and enjoyment of parenting and having full custody of my eldest that I had with my youngest. I'm just so glad we all are close and love each other so much now . But PND is no joke . It can literally end life's 😢💔
RIP baby Mirabelle 😢💔
You should be really proud of yourself. Thanks for sharing your heartbreaking story. Well done on getting well.
Thank you so much xoxo that truly means a lot, as the guilt of everything is still there today. I try to tell myself that I was sick, very sick, but the whole you were just a terrible mum who couldn't bond with your child still sneaks into my head but deep down I know I was just very unwell. Things took a very long time with many hurtful experiences before we all got to the point we are now. Because even though I got better, my parents never let me forget what they thought of me and point blank refused to help integrate my eldest back over too me until she was old enough to choose herself as my mum at that point strongly felt that motherly bond with my daughter. She would say she's my baby. You are just a older sister to her. And they would never let me make any parental decisions. They also admitted later on that my daughter was their do over child, because of how badly they done dealing with myself and my brother. But we are all human. We all make mistakes. Even them. And I persevered and stayed a constant active presence in my daughter's life and she knows I loved her always, I was just very unwell. And we are all so happy now ♥️ she has not seen her bio Dad since she was 11months old. He never got off drugs or improved. And made no effort to ever see her or contact her. He has just had a new baby with his gf and all I can hope is he is at least not violent anymore. He was so horrible to me, he hurt me so much, physically and mentally and emotionally. I used to beg him to help me, not to leave me alone with our daughter. But he would use her as a weapon to hurt me. He'd leave me alone on purpose with her, sometimes for a week or so at a time. He'd say I was no fun anymore and he preferred to be with friends then me and our daughter . He would see I struggles immensely when she was awake so if I said or done something to make him mad, after my beating he'd go wake her up and say "now go deal with her" and he'd laugh knowing that her being awake was terrifying for me. The last straw for me was when he beat me unconcious while I was holding her. I don't even know what I did to set him off so bad, he was just coming down off drugs and he just went crazy, absolutely crazy. And I couldn't protect my head as I was using my arms and legs to protect my screaming 11month old babys head from his non stop kicks and punches. I started to black out and I even remember screamin' "stop. I can't see . Everything is black. Stop. Your going to hurt *daughter's name*". Then I blacked out and came too with his sister pulling our baby out of his arms and then he dragged me into the shower cus I kept trying to fall asleep as I was concussed. That was it. You could beat me but you weren't putting my baby at risk. Even through the absolute terror I felt towards my child I still loved her. But literally a month later I signed her to my parents after they took me to court for custody because I was just too far gone at that point to be a parent. I just wished I had realised sooner that I was very sick, not just a awful parent, but that I had a literal disease that could of been treated in a mother and babies unit. But you can't change the past unfortunately. But thankfully being equipped with this information meant going into my second pregnancy myself and my doctor's knew the signs to look out for but thankfully going back on my psych meds meant I never experienced it again . I also later on done years of intense therapy to deal with everything that had happened in my life. Which again helped so so so much with my intense feelings of guilt over my eldest daughter but also dealt with all my trauma from all the things that aren't related to pregnancy or my children etc. And I'm just so happy that after it all I have 2 lovely, caring, non judgmental, animal loving, accepting, kind hearted, funny, intelligent, driven daughter's that work hard full time (my eldest) and study hard (my youngest) and I just know they are going to be so valuable to this world and the people they surround themselves with. My oldest is so compassionate, kind and funny and helps me feed, trap and rescue stray cats and also herself rescues mistreated bunnies (we once had 9 rabbits in our garden we were rehabilitating!!). And my youngest is passionate about things important to her and strong willed and strong minded and is very artistic, her drawings are amazing. They are both my favourite people on this planet ♥️♥️
Also ignore my silly username, my youngest keeps changing it to mess with me lol 😐🙄😒
Thank you Emma!