well you do hear people say "I wish i'd gone to college" or "i wish i'd have been able to do this(career) with my life" which is similar. You also people who have definitely said "I should have never had children" or "I should have never gotten married". I worked with a guy and about a quarter of the time working with him I heard him griping about his marriage(which had lasted for decades). He was retired and had briefly come out of retirement. Seemed like he was trying to conform to the traditional views about family and marriage more so than being concerned about being in a healthy and happy relationship.
I did. Last year, I was really sick with covid. At the hospital, I was thinking about where I stood if I died, and I had two regrets: 1. I was not going to see my dog grow old, and 2. I had not yet started my businesses to make the legal industry more accessible to the average person. No success can compensate for failure in the home, but that does not mean that all other accomplishments are trivial. On my deathbed, I wished that I had finished more work to leave behind that legacy.
I think she’s more self aware. Like you can tell by her face she knows he’s right and that a future with the next 40 years of possible loneliness is a terrifying one
I think she was being pretty honest and open about her opinion. She also listened carefully to what Jordan had to say. You can tell Jordan is a lot more calm and patient in the way he responds to her.
That’s the way the conversation goes… One person speaks for a period of time, and then the other person responds all the while not speaking over each other. Somehow in the last 5 to 10 years the main stream media has forgotten how to do that.
I'm a teacher. I work around the clock. Its cost me a lot. But I believe that what I do matters. Its not just a job its a calling & an opportunity to leave a mark on this world. To make a difference. I would be interested to know how many teachers say they wish theyd taken a diff career path as a counter point to the cliché that noone wishes theyd spent more time working.
Exactly! and its because of the present ideologues that have affected peoples choices in life we are getting to a point of a type of "blurr" between the lines of speech that people hate and hate speech. nobody likes to be told that they f'd up. the more severe the consequence the more the backlash of furry and anger you see.
I also think that he is speaking a lot of sense. I could have gone either way. I had kids late, and was perfectly happy being free with no commitments, but I was not against having children either. I was 50 when my daughter was born, and I now I also have a son. My relationship with my children is the most important thing in my life. I now live to give them a good start in life.
But you think it is worth it marrying nowadays with these “ modern women “ you’ve seen the divorce rate and how courts damage financially, spiritually, emotionally? Women nowadays are incentive to get divorce because they know they can win no matter the odds
I think she said it more as if she were slapping his offensive beliefs. He's merely stating conclusions gained from studies by his peers. I think that is why it is so easy for Mr. Peterson to befuddle his interviewers...they don't see the depths because of the shallows.
@@Redmow51 Mr Maynard , what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Saw the rest of this interview and she was a good interviewer. She allowed him to speak and was respectful as was he. It just doesn’t have to be all Kathy Newman level rubbish.
Yep this interview was done in New Zealand where I live. This TV presenter (hayley holt is her name) is actually a well known lesbian. She presented a sport show before moving to news and used to play sport professionally. I dont think shes out to "get" JP or anything weird like that
My grandma was 89 she was not remembered when she died because of her career she was a businesswoman. She was not remembered because of her educational background she was remembered and mourned because of what of kind of a grandmother, mother, wife she was. She was honored and loves by hundreds of people 10 children 90 relatives 24 grandchildren. Not a single person said anything about her Strong and independence. All remembered her baking, her smile, her warm tea, her wisdom, her motherhood, her love for her children and grand children's. She was buried with pictures of our family not her diploma or her material achievements.
People can do both, and probably need to do both. But one is significantly more meaningful than the other. And I feel for people who don't want to or can't realise that.
Maybe despite being told to interrupt him like most journalists do she personally believes him to be knowledgeable and wanted to learn something of value for a change
I am also impressed. However she does not have an agenda to spin which is good for the audience to learn from someone who understands the behaviours of people rather than someone who wants to indoctrinate people to think in certain diversity way
Salut. Nu am avut răbdarea de a termina videoclipul despre antisemitism, dar the rog să-mi răspunzi la următoarea întrebare de ai bunăvoință. Consideri normala expansiunea coloniștilor evrei pe teritoriul ocupat de musulmani?
Peterson 'interviews' very often turn into a therapy session. You can always tell right when it happens. It is at the 0:13 mark of this clip. His posture changes. He leans in. He is no longer 'discussing'. He is just listening. Then he shifts the conversation from 'speaking in general terms' to 'having a direct conversation with the interviewer'. Always fun to watch.
@roger adams I don't think he 'intends' to debate very often. He seems to be more interested in having a conversation. That said, in the instances where he has set out to debate, I think he holds his own. The monk debate on political correctness was pretty good.
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 I am more referring to the way he converses with other people. He seems genuinely interested in the person interviewing him. And, he acknowledged that she is probably very content in her life 'right now'. He just made the point that 'life after 45 gets lonely if you don't have a family'. I think that's a fair and accurate assessment.
@roger adams Two things- Jordan Peterson doesn’t want to debate people, he wants to have a conversation with them. Second of all, to a psychologist, the way people feel often determines the facts. It actually does mean something when people feel a certain way.
@Jo Fugya it's never been an intrinsic meaning, everyone goes through a journey to search for their own happiness. Some people need someone to give them advice, sometimes it is needed. Not everyone has an omniscient view of the world like you
It used to be the natural progression of life. Men and women yearned for a family of their own, so they married and had children once they left home. There were always those who did not want that life, but today it seems there are many who do not. Perhaps it’s due to broken parents marriages and the pressure for women to have careers.
That whole 'you don't ask a woman her age' thing is such a nonsense. It is a problem to women, because they subconsciously know they are less valuable to men as they age. By the way, she 'didn't kill him' not because she's nice. I think that's just her being professional.
@@dongypooh I don't think it has anything to do with men really. I think it's because women have been shamed by so many parts of society for ever growing older. It's been a great way to bilk women out of millions wasting our money on staying youthful rather than investing our money and reaping a meaningful return. It's really too bad we women don't just die off around 26, right? No more unsightly women and men would never be thought ill of for pursuing multiple women in their lifetime. I pretty much think asking a woman's age is like asking a man how much money he makes. Society doesn't really have much use for low earning men, does it? And fewer women desire older men these days, so there's that. One way or another, it seems that we're all in the same boat, and it's sinking faster all the time.
I'm sure the problem doesn't originate in men trying to assure they're investing their valuable time and interest in an outdated ware, which is thoroughly hidden behind a luxury dress and 2mm of cosmetic base. Certainly, there are such individuals, but most men aren't that mercenary. It's rather women trying to pretend they aren't ageing in public and in effect ruining their skin and automatizing their behavior, which shows off in private. That men can't ask about woman's age is uncomfortable in certain situations, in which it'd be natural and informational, but still we have to be careful what we're saying. Ultimately, it's cultural principle - its seriousness depending on the local culture. In my country it's rather observed, though slightly diminishing with time. We try to avoid it and either wait with the direct question until it's absolutely necessary and obvious, or workaround it with additional narrations. On top of that - my original post was a JOKE, but seems like it grew to a serious stuff! ;)
No. She wasn't quite saying that. She said she has done quite well with her career, but feels critcised for not having a family yet. That contradicts the idea that "women are taught to value their career more than family." She's saying her experience has been the opposite.
@@grief1 telling women that the most important thing they will do is their career, is just as bad as telling them the most important thing is to bare children. Historically, the latter has been the norm, and so feminist movements have pushed back against that. Perhaps, sometimes too extremely, but they are not without good reason.
@@tshaolin971 your right allowing someone to speak is respect and a human right so the fact that most people can't do that is really a disappointment society is truly doomed.
A lot of the interviews that Jordan Peterson go through have hosts who are constantly and are rudely interrupting him while he makes his point. Hence the comment about the applause for not interrupting him in this one.
When you die your job will replace you in 2-3 days.. "Did you hear about Bob in accounting, he passed away?" "Yeah, sorry to hear about that" , "Well Dave from payroll will now take over Bob's job responsibilities" and that's the last conversation about Bob.
and maaaaybe over a sporadic lunch now and then a few veterans that might still be there MIGHT somehow remember you and be like "yea I do miss Bob he was funny". But then yea THAT is about it. Serve 5 years or 35 years its gonna be the same dispassionate email "congratulations on all your hard work, we here at xyz corp truly cherish the contributions of each and every one of you, today is your 5th/10th/20th/50th anniversary! We wish you another great year of productivity!".
Yes. He talks about community, but then immediately talks about family, like it's impossible to have community and not have family. Also, there is nothing wrong with an introspective or even introverted life. If you get lonely, hop on the internet, argued with people, then remember why you are doing your own thing without a care int he world.
@@blackcanyongarage 'He talks about community, but then immediately talks about family, like it's impossible to have community and not have family.' This kinda smacks of projection - he was using 'community' to emphasize his point and make it understandable from another angle, not to make them mutually exclusive. 'If you get lonely, hop on the internet, argued with people, then remember why you are doing your own thing without a care int he world.' Where were you the last year or so of lockdown? There have been widespread reports of feeling totally isolated - for self-explanatory reasons - and they could've really done with your advice...
@@iamjurell Mental health is something that should be taught in some where a person can recognize that they are isolating, and of there needs to be something they can do, to have the lower to enact a strategy to pull them from said isolation. People tend to seek out like minded individuals so they can build a community and form a support network of sorts. Where was I? In my home. By myself. Do I have friends? Yes. Do I have family? Yes. Do ai have community? Yes. I am not defined by any of those because I am an autonomous individual. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
@@blackcanyongarage I'm not sure who you're trying to convince - who said that one is defined solely by family? And how does this even vaguely dispute the notion that people value having kids? There's a reason it's known as the biological imperative. Oh yeah, and unless you're living alone on an island, there is no such thing as the true individual. Humans aren't apex predators, humans are a communal species - it can even be somewhat argued that humans are a eusocial species. That language exists - and that virtually everything boils down to considerations of either yourself or other people - is kind've a hint towards that.
@@iamjurell you're going completely off topic here. We're talking about the statement this man says, about being lonely at 45, and having community, but then to divert to family, is the only true way to have that community. It's objective, not fact. And everyone is different and thinks different. So to say that a person (girls as he puts it) who is taught to out family second to their career, only to find themselves lonely at 45 and barren (implying by asking the woman's age) he is saying family is the only true form of community, which is subjective, and his opinion. One that I wholeheartedly disagree with.
Yep, getting so tired of it. It’s getting to a stage where I don’t click on videos like that. I know though, most of the time the convo doesn’t reflect the title, especially a Jordan Peterson one, very respectful.
I felt that he struck a chord within her when he talked about being lonely after 45 or so. My heart goes out to these young women who make decisions about having a family, many times to find that they regret letting that time of life go by. She was lovely and very mannerly, unlike the majority of women who interview Dr. Peterson.
For sure at some point in your life you must decide where your focus will be. Undoubtedly you will wish for the other. Difficult if not impossible to have a high end career , which isn’t 9 to 5 and be a parent too. Today with two income families being a common thing , the days of being a stay at home mom or dad are gone.
@@murrayclarke2171 really, I guess she got blessed by this interview and that she thought she was blessed because she didn't experience her friends have to deal with raising their child.
I think that's why he was so kind to her when she said she was 38 and hadn't started a family yet. I think he wanted to say "you've waited too long, the pickings for someone your age will be slim", but he put it in a more polite way. :)
She may be part of the small demographic of women who genuinely isn't maternal. If so, good for her for achieving a successful career, and good for her non-existent children!
That is true .. I do believe some people really aren’t cut out to be mothers and that is ok. It’s better they realize that and not bring kids into the world that will have issues. But I do agree if the reason is because you feel you need a career to prove who you are and you push against those mothering instinct because you don’t want to “conform” as you put it. Then I think you will have regrets in later years .
@@augustinius6586 And they never learn this. Society has lost a mother and corporate greed created an indebted, college grad, faux career chaser and a long term taxpayer.
@@augustinius6586 Yes and also modern feminism... they have to try and show men that they don't need them in any capacity to be happy and fulfilled.. and like all ideologies its a doomed path to unhappiness
@Cyclone-vm6jc she had all the time of the world to consider if his words are manipulative. Also she has her own personality. If she judged that this is good for her, I am proud of her because I believe in happiness coming from a child. If you do not, good for you.
Jordan is simply giving a long-term strategy for a meaningful life by stressing the importance of also having close-knit relationships. I concur 💯, so true!!
Who defines what is meaningful to a specific individual? There are people who prefer solitude rather than relationships with other people. It depends entirely on the person.
@@alien4053 True, but humans are social creatures- it's easier and emotionally healthier to have close knit-relationships, and having a spouse and kids can help with that. Have you heard of Joyce Carol Vincent? She literally died alone and no one knew about it for over a year because she didn't have close relationships with family, friends, and had no spouse or kids.
@@karaokeandrandomclips So what? Idk who's the person you're talking about but is not that she will care about how many people going to know about her dead, because, you know, the detail that she's dead
@@alien4053 Being a introvert has it's limits. One day it turns on you. That's a bad day. And it's going to last decades. Jordan knows this from his practice. It's predictable.
@@alien4053 It isn't about one specific individual. Nobody's bothered by that. It's always about the big, cultural change, the societal shift. Can you imagine her (women not having babies) being the norm? It'll be all plants and animals before the end of the century, and I'm saying this as a lover of nature.
@@FlyingOlive27 But he is kinda right. Peterson just points out obvious things and coats them in "facts dont care about your feels" and all the generic antiSJWs go "take my money" =)
@@karimshebeika8010 but he's popular because most people are too afraid to embrace these "obvious facts" as their public opinions since there is so much vitriol being hurled at them by people that typically fall to one side of the political spectrum, and the people who aren't afraid are usually not capable of expressing themselves with his level of eloquence and rock solid stream of logic
When your child makes you laugh so hard you can't contain yourself or when they give you cuddles and kisses. I wouldn't change it for any career in the world. Proud mama
100% in agreement !! One of my best memories ( Amongst a billion ) was my little girl.. being about 4 or 5 and jumping on my bear back while I laid Saturday morning very tired form working late that Friday and giving me kisses and hugs the whole time while saying " I Love You Daee " She is all grown up now but Oh boy What beautiful memories I live with !! :P) !!
Yeah but the stress relief of not having kids---stress after 35 yrs of age or so doesn’t compare when you are not a mom or dad--my 17 yr old leaving the driveway everyday is intense ya know
@@davidz2562 it's one of things in life that you don't know how much you wanted and needed it until after you have it. Once you do you can't and you don't want to imagine your life without it.
@@barbarasimons3762 Dear Barbara, the comment above was pure sarcasm. Those words were not said and will never be said by anybody on day they go on the other world.
I get it but we can’t view our lives at 25 years old from the view of our minds on our deathbeds if that makes sense…you have to work to be successful and with that comes sacrifices…spend time with family yes but don’t not work cause you have a family lmao
She obviously doesn't know how rewarding parenthood is. I cooked cupcakes with my daughter today and honestly, I had one of the best days of my life. We went for a walk down the dog park and just had fun all day.
While parenthood *can* be rewarding, there are just as many (if not more) stories about people who regret having children (about 40% of pregnancies are unplanned). Maybe they had a child with the wrong person , maybe it was the wrong time , maybe they simply weren’t able to support a child financially/physically/mentally/emotionally. I think there are plenty of valid reasons why a person would choose not to have children - and that doesn’t take away from the positive experiences of those who did have children.
@@BlackPhoenx17 While I agree that there are valid reasons that people may choose not to have children, I disagree with the idea that pregnancies just happen to people, unplanned, with the "wrong" person, at the wrong time. I am a woman and know exactly what to do in order to get pregnant or to avoid getting pregnant. Pregnancy does not "just happen" to women, and 99% of the time, we have a choice whether to get pregnant or not.
@@melissasw64 I assume you’re in a western country where healthcare and pharmaceuticals are easily available? In that setting, it’s very easy to control pregnancy. However, most people in the world aren’t in that setting. And even those who are still utilize Plan B and abortions relatively often. That said, unintended pregnancy is just a small aspect of the Discussion. The greater point is that having children is not a one-way ticket to happiness and fulfillment. It’s very case specific. For some people, childbirth has been the greatest thing ever. For others, childbirth was not the fairy tale many people expected. I just think it’s misleading to tell all women that having a child will guarantee some kind of happiness.
@@BlackPhoenx17 not happiness necessarily but instead something far more valuable and keep in mind this still applys if the child has health problems (worst case scenario). It comes with fulfilment.
He took the lady’s armor when he talked about how a family means more to a man than his own career while he’s a breadwinner. A lot of women have a perception of what they think men value and it couldn’t be further from the truth.
Women have very little or ZERO understanding of what makes a man happy or what he really feels. Just like men have little or ZERO understanding of what makes a woman happy or fulfilled!!! As the books say Men are from Mars and women from Venus$!!
Yeah, as soon as he grounds what he's saying in the reality that "after 45, it gets lonely", her face drops. As though she'd never considered her situation in those terms before. At some point, her career will peter out, and her friends will be too busy with the families that they built, to have much time for her.
In addition to the calm, respectful attitude of this discussion, what struck me was the open question asked by the journalist: “What do you say to that?” It wasn’t a statement, rhetorical or closed. Very excellent discussion that was refreshingly different to what the title suggested.
@@zed3063 That's projection on your part because red pills are equal opportunity. That is to say that it doesn't matter if you choose to believe it or not-- the truth is she's worked really hard for something that will give you no comfort when you are on your death bed and the moments leading up to it. If she chooses not to have children in the very very near future, she will not remember that she is rich and famous when Father Time comes ticking. She will only be aware that she worked really hard and sacrificed much for and have no heir, and that she isn't taking this fame and fortune to the next life.
Don't disregard the fact that the constant smile on her face was her attempt at mockery! I'm almost certain that Jordan will eventually have the last laugh, and what he said was 100% true in my view.
@Alan Doyle the sense I got was that she feels she has dodged a bullet by not having kids already. That gives the impression that she thinks she will never want them, even though she won’t say that. (Why would kids be a terrible idea at 30, but a great idea at 40?) My guess would be she has seen many failed marriages/relationships around her, blames having children for that, and doesn’t want any part of that. In those cases the children weren’t the problem, it is usually caused by people who never should have gotten together, getting together. Lack of shared values and what not.
I love his demeanor and the way he calmly told her she might get lonely. Hes not smug or rude about being right like most people are when they know their right.
@@tsuba14 His idea that she 'might' get lonely isn't a fact, it's just an idea and he's privileging it over hers. He's not from a similar cultural location to her at all. How does he know what lonely constitutes for her, who her family is or her sense of belonging in her community..? He doesn't. He's just guessing and his western educated guesses are usually only backed up by western social constructions, the same ones that suggest he's an expert. So if you reject common or traditional social constructions which people are doing more and more, monogamy, patriarchy etc, he's no longer an expert and just a 'know-it-all' entitled jerk.
@@daveyboots79 People without family getting lonely is a fact for so many, the majority for sure. Imagine that your friends have families and you have none. Sure you can ask to invade their homes on the holidays and stuff.... Family is essential. Now if you can be happy without a family that's great, but it's highly unlikely. Perhaps you are unique in that respect, but not everyone has that inclination. He dealt with her with compassion and delivered the truth. So many people shy away from the truth to avoid any hint of animosity. I think it's the truth and so many do as well, you may think what you will, but honesty is a lost art in a world full of bullshit. Calling Jordan Peterson an entitled jerk, that's beyond my logical faculties. That's absurd.
@@prohacvice9671 We disagree about what constitutes a fact, even the truth in a way. Fact is math, fact is the sun being hot... The common experience of the majority, over the few, doesn't make their experience a fact. Also, try getting a democrat and a republican to agree on truth. Maybe calling him an entitled jerk was a bit over the top, but his acolytes take up his archetypical views and use them to justify blatant mysogyny.. read some of the trash written about this reporter in this comment section and tell me I'm getting, it's disturbing.
@@daveyboots79 I'm from Sweden, so I am neither democrat nor republican.I believe Jordan has good intentions and is compassionate. He is a clinician and has probably come across women who put career over everything before. Loneliness trumps any joy extracted from a career past a certain point in life is what he says. Family is pivotal, so to forego family might be the biggest mistake one ever makes and for a woman it's truly important to consider it very carefully because fertility is finite. (Sure adoption is an option, but that's not same as one's line isn't furthered.)
Get involved in charity, regaardless of your age. Do waht you can do for others. Helping ppl out gives you bliss and purpose. Just my two cents. God bless.
@@darkschneider8508 yes, that is basically what I do these days.. I live now in Cambodia and help as many locals as I can. I miss my son every day. Working on cherishing the good times.. Here in Cambodia it is quite easy to find people who have had much worse experiences... Thanks everybody.. Best of luck in 2022
I am female.. I climbed the “Corporate ladder” I put my career first, even before my marriage some times and it almost cost me my marriage. But it never fulfilled me completely in my mind ,body , and soul as much as letting it all go and having my children. I tried to hang on to both for a while and then I realized I was giving more to my career again than my children. And I was miserable, stressed 😩. We made a decision. Got out of financial debt, down sized , and lived off one income and I stayed home raised my children. It has been the only thing that has brought me absolute joy. My boys are all now grown , one married. And are amazing well adjusted, balanced human being. They are gentlemen, hard working, don’t smoke , never touched drugs . And don’t drink. All by their choice. I realize that the greatest contribution I could give to this earth was to raise good decent Humans to take care of this planet and those on it. More than any corporate career would. Have no regrets!
Totally respect your decision👏 . imagine getting a career you always wanted and finding yourself not living a happy life. but then there are people who are happy just with their career. we have to respect their decisions too. they too contribute to the society .
I love your comments. I remember watching an old episode of Oprah years ago that was talking about women and their body's timeclock, jobs and fertility. Someone said something like, if you wait till you are 35 or 40 to have kids it may be too late. Some women can have babies at 45, some women's bodies can't at 35, every woman's body has it's own timeline. For me that was so important to hear. I was married at 20, had my first child at 22. I had my youngest at 26 yrs old. (I have 2 beautiful children here and lost 3 babies due to miscarriage). My clock ran out at 26. I am so glad I made the choices I did with my husband to start our family early and stay home to raise our children. 💗 I feel so blessed.
You're a damn good mother. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. My wife made the same decision after our 3rd child was born nearly 5 years ago. I'm blessed that I make a good enough living that she can be a stay-at-home mom. We both love it and so do the kids.
Damn, that’s sad, particularly because it was far more likely at her age, even if she seemed to have understood the lesson. Hope she still gets her family.
I'm a father to a ten months old boy and everytime I back home all the fatigues suddenly drops ! It's true I fill with energy you can't even express the happiness when you come back home and seeing your children smile to you !
@@Mathias6x for you? Don't bring your insecurities here. For most people it's not a burden - now live your sad lonely little life without anyone by your side.
I would have liked to see more of this interview as the interviewer at least was prepared to listen, without interruption, to the answer to her question. A rare "method" of conducting an interview now days it seems as so many are ill mannered and only after a rsponse acceptable to their own P.C. views.
I think the host was interested in listening to Peterson's perspective. And he responded respectfully and professionally. Unfortunately, many interviewers have a left-wing agenda that's why the interview ends up unpleasant and less useful for the audience.
Here is the link to the full interview. facebook.com/Breakfaston1/videos/2298731187078780 It is also interesting to note that within a year of this interview where Jordan talks about the importance of family as well as career, this woman is pregnant, even though during the interview she seems skeptical of the need for family. www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/hayley-holt-announces-shes-pregnant-live-on-tvnzs-breakfast/2AUVF5WYKHXYU3DJUMD427DMWQ/
@@lswote I believe there is a high likelihood this conversation at the least weighed on her mind for a bit. I think she respected him as a professional, you can tell by how she is genuinely listening to what he's saying.
@@highsociety7677 Oh yes. "I've wanted this for a very, very, very, long time and I thought my time was running it out - and it hasn't!" Holt gleefully told Breakfast's viewers. Unfortunately she lost the baby.
@@BBC357 it's presumptuous to say what she'll like later in life. But you're right he shared perspectives that she's not even had a chance to experience yet
No, as a man in my forties and looking around the ppl I know, his "experience" was a red pill for careerist women. But she already knew this, it's for the others. But a successful woman like her can still do much
The fact that we're glad, relieved etc. that a journalist / interviewer behaved as a journalist / interviewer is supposed to behave tells a LOT about how sad, unethical, dark and crazy/irrational these times are and today's Media/Press is. Anyway, kudos to her for doing her job properly and to her employer for letting her do her job properly. It's a small victory for sanity and ethics.
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so what, why does that make you feel better? actually there's most people in the comments not describing things that way at all. She was polite and he was polite and informative, and she welcomed what he said. Ask yourself what kind of person you are, looking for these nasty qualities to project on something that actually doesnt show any such reality.
This didn’t have anything to do with the “red pill.” He made a salient point - and he didn’t pin it to either men or women alone. It was a reflection about the consequences of making your career the unequivocal center of your life instead of recognizing how much value there is in family. When pressed on the family bit, he gave a very flexible and open space for close knit community to come in different forms.
I'd argue (politely!) that he did drop the red pill on her, because you can't seem to get it through to women that study/career/ travel/socialism/NGOs/ ChadandTyrone will only make them husbandless, childless miserable and lonely. Telling them is absolute poison.
Most people nowadays, both men and women, live under the delusion that family isn't all that important, that it's archaic and out-dated. Telling these people, specifically women, that they're making a great error (the red pill, regarding this video's topic,) is directly in conflict with the way they perceive the world (blue pilled.)
I'm reminded of a line by a character from an Austin Powers movie :"There are 2 types of people I can't stand : people who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch" 😂😂
*addiction issues. Looks like he finally made his own bed. I wonder if he'll stop arguing against systemic solutions using personal dogmatism next. Who can say?
@@jacobunderwood4957 I already know that and still have big respect for him, his addiction was a result of some prescription medication or something that legit messed him up for awhile. Either way happy he's ok now. And he's still one of the great men of our time.
@@jacobunderwood4957 Woah ho ho. How familiar are you actually with his medications? He took anti-anxiety medication as prescribed. His anxiety was from his tour to over 150 cities in a single year, during which his wife's terminal cancer was hanging over his head. Thankfully, she recovered against the odds, and when he had a negative reaction from the side effects of the medication, he attempted to taper off, but the withdrawal made it difficult to do so and he went to rehab without hiding it. What gives you the impression that he doesn't believe in prescribed medication? What do you mean "finally made his own bed?"
He's 'hated' for relentlessly grifting with a response to every societal problem being "make your own bed, first". He's simplistic and shoves his simplistic solutions into conversations where they don't belong. /shrug
@@jacobunderwood4957 oh to have life so complex and the solutions to be equally as complex, right? It makes for a chaotic life. Those who choose that path often become overwhelmed and begin pointing the finger at others to blame. .....sound familiar?
What a breath of fresh air: an interviewer who asks constructive questions and listens to the answers! AND is asking the following question based on what the merit of the answer was. 👏
the truth is if you don't really want children, it is probably better not to bring yet another unwanted child into the world, who might grow up and take the lives of beloved children or parents.
@Victor Joseph I agree, but I know it is easy to say, but no one needs to be alone all the time, there are organisations people can reach out to, just because people don't have kids or see the ones they did have, doesn't mean they never contributed, i would love to have the type of pets i could take to people on their own who miss pets, now nearly every city has befriending agencies, maybe after lockdown more people will reach out to help and be helped
She hasn’t experienced what Jordan is talking about. She will... and when she does she will remember this interview. I’m in my 60’s and what he is saying here is the absolute truth and I didn’t know it was the truth until my first child was born. You can’t explain it to people until they themselves have their first child. Once they do you see it in their eyes. They understand.
64 and he's talking complete horseshit. "Family" is what you make it. Parents and siblings are an accident of birth and I've had nothing to do with them my entire life. I'm wonderfully not-lonely and living the life. You putzes are just living the birth-work-die cycle.
@@ridetillidie8090 you’re a man. Women are more social than men and also less independent. And its biological to want to reproduce its not a manmade system.
2021 has been a tough year for Haley. She had a miscarriage, and on top of that several months of separation from her close family due to NZ’s Covid lockdowns. I believe JP made a huge positive impact on her in this interview, and she has shown great mental strength and courage ever since.
It can be rewarding for some but it can also be agonizing - there are no guarantees- children can be born with complex medical problems or acquire them later, they can have bad luck and they can make bad decisions and all of these situations happen randomly to people every day and the grief just like the love is something incomparable and if one could avoid that suffering for your child I bet many parents would turn back the clock and choose a different path...
@@sueedwards7989 this. See way too many parents now with kids ending up dead, in jail, born with issues, get into accidents and get issues, etc. Just a fraction of kids end up being super success stories. Knew a girl at my first job who was a success until her helicopter slammed into a mountain on her honeymoon and burned alive to a tragic death. Her parents never recovered.
@@TraumaER a fraction of kids end up being “super success” stories? Let’s break this down: there are billions of people on this planet, all of whom are somebody’s child. Your claim is that a small fraction of these billions of people are “successful” while the rest of the world would’ve been better off aborted or something? If I’m misrepresenting your view, please let me know. Because you sound insane. “Super successful” lol, does everyone have to become a brain surgeon to meet your standards? I feel bad for you. Most sane parents just want their children to grow up as kind, responsible people with good work ethic. Sheesh
@@ccox7198 nope , I rather be old and be financially stable and see my kid graduate highschool in my 60s then be 45 and be broke like most Americans living paycheck to paycheck with 3 kids all miserable
so do you want their world to keep getting unsafe by people having children they don't want, love and being wanted are so important for humans, not to get that often destroys their humanity which leads to them not caring about you or your beloved family, i.e. in the case of school shooters, etc, etc.
You could see the gravity of what he was saying and the realization on her face. He was looking farther ahead than she ever had and it scared her immensely. Somewhere everyone forgot to teach the lesson a family is the ultimate reward in life.
She said she wasn't thought career was the most important thing. How is she wrong? Do you know her family or something? You realise it's okay for two people to discuss an issue where the discussion can't be viewed on a right vs wrong paradigm. Idiotic that there's such a need to make all interviewers of JP 'wrong' by default.
Stop projecting your bullshit onto Jordan. He isn’t concerned with being RIGHT. You are. He is simply explaining to this woman the other possibilities of living an entire life span. Shedding some light on things people may not have considered. That’s all. Why do people need this man to be DESTROYING other people. He isn’t concerned with that.
@@AN71H3RO I think they refer to the fact that having a child is inherently selfish. Which is obviously true. That's not necessarily bad, though: most (if not all) human behaviors are selfish to some extent.
@@voxnihili7651 the point of humanity itself is selfish, like the simplest thing such as "Survive, everyone will be selfish about this because it's a main concern which to live another day and keep on living
NO you can NOT honestly see that because the tard uploaded this blocked seeing her the last third of the vid with dumb thumbnails no one will click on. but boy wish i could see if she did. probably did. but CANT see it,
Great interview, regardless of how you feel about the subject matter. As others have said, the dialogue was respectful and each let the other speak. In terms of having/not having a family, what Mr. Peterson said in respects to having family resonates for me. My career has become far less important as I age, family is a precious blessing.
Watched my twin boys skip and run from my car to their preschool today, it was a beautiful moment. Kids are tough, kids are amazing. To those that struggle or don't have the opportunity to have children, my heart goes out to you and you can indeed find deep purpose and meaning elsewhere. In the service of others we become our best selves.
I'd agree with @Populous3 Tutorials - you only need to nurture them until they leave home at 20-ish so as long as you can cope with the toddler stage in your 50's (& you will - as you will be life-experienced and mature unlike new parents) - you'll be fine - as long as careers are not too demanding of your time. If you are financially secure perhaps you could put any career on hold - as many people have said before, you don't say on your deathbed "I wish I'd worked longer & harder"......
You do NOT have to adopt a Toddler. There are many abandoned kids between 2-10. Try out Foster Home stuff. Take your time and know what you can do and cannot, do not get in over your head. I have a 4.5 year old son, but we are going to adopt a girl and she could be 8 years old. Abused, abandoned, thrown away. Ready to be recycled and made shiny again.
She got pregnant not long after this interview and lost the baby; www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/hayley-holt-opens-up-about-miscarriage-really-showed-us-the-power-of-love/
so she is going to have a kid just incase she gets lonely, poor kid, will grow up unloved and unwanted, she should just go out and get some rescue dogs and cats! Problem solved.
As a 20 year old, I would have a pooh-poohed what Dr.Peterson is saying. I was desperate to have a career and make money. However, as a 40 year old, I agree with him 💯. I have realized my family is my true calling. This is even more true if you are a parent! I don't want to miss my child's milestones to attend an office meeting. Some memories are priceless!
There is also the side where men become too consumed by their careers, even after having children, that they miss out on important milestones of their children's life. I mean like not sparing the time to watch them in the school play or the big sport's day. The incredible and lifetime joy it brings the child to know the parents are there. I doubt there are many men who, on their death beds, would ever say " I'm glad I went to work that day rather than my daughter's school play".
I had the privilege of being the stay-at-home Dad while my kids were toddlers as my wife was recovering from a car accident... It was tougher than any role I ever had in my own career... but God dammit... I really miss those days. I wish more men would do the same.. hopefully not under the same circumstances but just to get the opportunity to do what so few of us have done. Doing it every day is WAY different to picking up the pieces while your partner is busy.
That may seem so because the media and family court had decided that men who work automatically make them money hungry and ignorance and unfit parents! You see...men love his family differently than women. Men love their family by providing food and cover and by going out they are faced with danger and risks in order to obtain resources for the family to live on but when it comes to divorce or men vs women arguments, society quickly assume moms are naturally better parents because they are there with the kids and they stop there!
@@consciousbeing1188 If it was that easy for a man to just quit his job to simply stay home and enjoy his kids, they would do so, except not many can do just that! You forget that men work to provide for their family and that is a form of love too! Instead of acknowledging and bringing that up, you wish men would abandon their duties to provide...tell me, who will pay for the bills? Women? I will tell you that when men stop working their women would divorce these men and take the kids! You are nowhere "conscious", more like "woke"!
@@lickalotlickalot2210 - Why are you taking my comment so personally?... You have gone straight onto the offensive and made a lot of assumptions about me just to attack me. I won't have a battle of wits against a clearly unarmed opponent. If you look through the comments on this page you will see another comment I made around the same time as this... Read it and then come back and tell me if I'm so "woke". Maybe we can have this conversation better when you're not so enamoured by your own opinion. I said my role in those times was a privilege.. I made NO assertions that it's the right thing for everyone. I took the red-pill YEARS before it was called the red pill, my friend... Something tells me I have quite a few more years of life experience than you do. Please don't ever make the mistake of telling me what I've forgotten based on a post as innocuous as the one I made. Just because the message from it didn't align with YOU doesn't mean that you know a damn thing about me. Get yourself past your attitude and I hope we can have a civilised discourse .. but I won't entertain anyone who starts off with the belief that going on the attack is a good strategy.
I agree in principle, the point being overlooked is, how exactly does the human race continue to exist? How does a new generation of humans come about? Not by one gender being indoctrinated to focus primarily on their own 'success' in a chosen career and leave the notion of reproducing until its too late, complicated and risky health-wise. All in balance.
@@garym2372 yeah for sure. I'm not saying we should all go out and live our own lives selfishly. The narrative being spun here though is if you don't get married and start a family you will regret it. Some will and some won't.
@@garym2372 You act as if this is an issue. The whole point is to do what makes you happy. plenty of people have kids for that reason. we will always have more than enough children. This is just a non issue.
38 years is only 42% of her lifespan. As Jordan is saying it is difficult to comprehend and look at your own life over its full span. We tend to look at our lifes in 5-10 year increments
I can honestly say having my first child put my entire life into perspective where all I want in life is to make sure she grows up to be an amazing person and spend time with her until I die. I really felt like my life actually finally began when I had her.
Agreed, the moment my daughter was born it somehow brought into focus who was Respecting me with the awful truth and who was telling me “what I want to hear”. I’ve been in self improvement mode ever since. Trying to run with the “cool” before and needing only the real after.
@@sagatuppercut2960 i think that’s because a lot of women don’t necessarily plan their pregnancies so it becomes a huge life change that they aren’t prepared for. I was married for 10 years Before I had my first baby so she was very well thought out and planned. I knew what I was getting into and how my life would change therefore I cherish my time with her and never see it as a burden. Before her my life was great but with her it’s even sweeter.
@@sagatuppercut2960 Yes. You can quickly tell who values their kids and who doesn't. When I'm with my nieces and nephews, I talk to them, and not just to tell them "stop doing that". You can tell it's a chose for some people, and that the kid was an accident.
@Schino Schina actually you can. the fertility right only decreases less than 1%. That statistic saying that was older than you or any elderly man. Back in those days it might been a bit harder because they didn't have much knowledge and medicine and a woman could have possibly gotten some kind of a disease
It sounds like this had an effect on her. "She announced in January 2020 that she was pregnant with her first child. On 8 May 2020 it was announced that her child had died at about 7 months' gestation." God that's sad. Best of luck to her and her family if she decides to try again.
I’m 59, I had a career didn’t marry and no kids! He is correct I am now missing out,. You will never be that important to your married freinds who have their own family. Married people really don’t want single people around. Family is more important than career.
The reason why it doesn't become combative is because they're both taking turns at listening to each other. More a conversation than a debate. Many people seem to be of the view that the best way to win a debate is to not let the other person speak!
@@crazydavec3861 so true, the issue I find is that those that hold there ideas so dear, completely lose their mind when you mention any actual concrete facts. Then you struggle to get another word in as they are insulting you with all the usual labels they try and throw. Somehow you find yourself fighting fire, rather then debating the actual topic. I don't pretend to think I am blameless here, it must be the way I am presenting the Information but no matter how I attempt to change my method, the sheet mention of statistical evidence is a complete affront to these people.
@@Ben-ii5oy Oh yes this is definitely true. One particular tribe that stands out concerning that is creationists - they're not big on logic and facts at all! Many low level conversations are not about what the conversation is about, they are about who's the boss and who absolutely knows it. You can't have a high level conversation with someone that wants to have a low level conversation unfortunately. Humans are territorial, if you're in someone else's territory trying to stir things up they're probably not gonna be happy. I'm an IT solutions guy, I get paid to step into other folks territory and stir things up. Nearly always the barrier is folks getting possessive about how things are done. 3 months later they leave or switch departments .... and suddenly they couldn't give a stuff!
I don't see how won the argument; they weren't having one to begin with. He simply raised an issue she might not otherwise have considered. If she's anything like me, the thought of having kids fills me with fucking dread.
There is BC and AD. Before child and after delivery. Your life, what it might have been, veers more and more dramatically away over time. There has been so much to learn, and so much joy and laughter through the years. I wouldn't change a thing.
"Hit the wall" She certainly has not hit the wall. These two have good conversation skills, Jordan was listening intently, when she was speaking, showing his respect. I hope she has her own children, and they bring her joy.
@@mamachola she has a high nasal bridge, and cheek bones giving her face a desirable aquiline look - it has nothing to do with make up, she simply has good breeding.
@@battler544 all the characteristics you've listed is irrelevant anyways , beauty is subjective. To say make up has nothing to do with hitting the wall is rather disingenous , maybe its not the main factor but its used to hide the imperfections that women face as they aged. Also she recently had a miscarriage , she's definitely hitting the wall.
Women over the age of 30, have already hit the wall. It's just biology, it's inevitable. Having a pretty face or putting makeup on, does not reverse atrophy.
What he said is absolutely true. I used to think like her in my 20’s and all of that changed when I had my first kid. Family is important. I’m surprised someone even has to explain it.
Well....in your 20s you needed it explained to you by your admission. For many it takes time to come out of the cocoon that the world wraps them up in and emerge as their own independent thinking person.
I remember teaching my daughter how to bake bagels. She wore a little apron and we really talked a lot. I'm now 51 and my three children have all left the home. It is very quiet, me, my wife and our aging dog. We have friends in the community, wonderful people. But it's not the same.
@@goodo5691 Yes, sounds that way, but it's experience, not age. Maybe I should have waited to have kids until I was in my 30's. My last child was born when I was 30. Oh well! So then, I took my wife this weekend to a county "steam and gas show" . We had a great time. We now do the dating we kind-of missed out on when we were younger. When the dog croaks, we'll probably do some traveling. Early kids, late kids, everything has tradeoffs, you know?
i hear you completely. I'm 49 and my twin daughters just left for college. One is an hour away and the other is 7 hours away. After they left, it was as if all the air got sucked out of the house. i have been blessed with an extremely close relationship with both of my daughters, and i will always be their father, but it is not the same.
it'll suck for a while as empty nesters but then the grandkids come into the picture. maybe take the time to travel with the wife and do stuff you wanted to do before the kids came
@@endisnear306 Dont think that way. Chances are you would be a great parent just because your parents werent. People who are hesitant to get married are the ones who would actually be good spouses and parents.
Some of my most fondest memories are spent with me making breakfast Saturday morning with my daughters sitting around talking to me while I'm working in the kitchen.
I agree , she was a great interviewer…. Jordan made points excellently and fearlessly, he does not shy away from his thoughts… interesting conversation… bravo to both!
She let him speak without interrupting, she’s above the rest in that alone.
It may be because she was trying not to start crying.
Based
It's nice when you encounter a dialogue where neither party is a complete fool.
It’s her job Short Bus!
Because shes from New Zealand and not from the USA or UK. Simple as that.
No one on their deathbed says I wish I had spent more time at the office
and loneliness is worse than death death ...
...or “I wish I had LESS children”.
well you do hear people say "I wish i'd gone to college" or "i wish i'd have been able to do this(career) with my life" which is similar. You also people who have definitely said "I should have never had children" or "I should have never gotten married". I worked with a guy and about a quarter of the time working with him I heard him griping about his marriage(which had lasted for decades). He was retired and had briefly come out of retirement. Seemed like he was trying to conform to the traditional views about family and marriage more so than being concerned about being in a healthy and happy relationship.
👍 that comment is brilliant. Simple but true
I did.
Last year, I was really sick with covid. At the hospital, I was thinking about where I stood if I died, and I had two regrets: 1. I was not going to see my dog grow old, and 2. I had not yet started my businesses to make the legal industry more accessible to the average person.
No success can compensate for failure in the home, but that does not mean that all other accomplishments are trivial. On my deathbed, I wished that I had finished more work to leave behind that legacy.
She is definitely way more open minded than most of these interviewers.
I think she’s more self aware. Like you can tell by her face she knows he’s right and that a future with the next 40 years of possible loneliness is a terrifying one
She's a New Zealander that's why.
Open minded wasn’t a word I would use
So what your saying is all of Jordan Peterson’s other interviewers aren’t open minded!?
I think she was being pretty honest and open about her opinion. She also listened carefully to what Jordan had to say. You can tell Jordan is a lot more calm and patient in the way he responds to her.
She listened. And listened intently. You could see by her expression that she understands his point on a deeper level. Good conversation.
i dont think she does. If she did things would be different
@@AC-mp7cx if I'm not wrong, she did tried to conceive sometime after this interview. But alas it's too late.
@@wshyangify how do you know
@@AC-mp7cx She did get pregnant but miscarried last year.
@@nostalgia9338 was she married and how do you know
At least she let him talk unlike the Karens who keep interrupting him.
Yeah and now you can hear his drivel in its full incoherence
Yeah... She completely shut down and couldn't respond. Women. My wife does this lol
That’s the way the conversation goes… One person speaks for a period of time, and then the other person responds all the while not speaking over each other.
Somehow in the last 5 to 10 years the main stream media has forgotten how to do that.
… like Kathy Newman
So what you're saying is..
one thing you will never hear from someone on their deathbed: "I wish I would have worked more"...
It is always the opposite.
My dad said hed rather die at work. And thats what he did. Work a holic.
@@MrTrollbaby sounds like he made sacrifices to improve the quality of your life
@@WhoaNick nope, it's an escapism from troubling marriage and family.
@@limitlesssky3050 Yeah sure bud, or maybe just maybe that man was trying to provide the best financial security for his family 🤔🤔.
I'm a teacher. I work around the clock. Its cost me a lot. But I believe that what I do matters. Its not just a job its a calling & an opportunity to leave a mark on this world. To make a difference.
I would be interested to know how many teachers say they wish theyd taken a diff career path as a counter point to the cliché that noone wishes theyd spent more time working.
you can see why he's hated so much. it just the honest truth.
🤣🤣
As the saying goes, "Truth, hurts."
You should hear his talks on white privilege and Marxism they're very profound
The one who speaks the truth is hated the most. (And this is why I respect him so mich, because he speaks the truth.)
Exactly! and its because of the present ideologues that have affected peoples choices in life we are getting to a point of a type of "blurr" between the lines of speech that people hate and hate speech. nobody likes to be told that they f'd up. the more severe the consequence the more the backlash of furry and anger you see.
He is 100% correct about family, relationships, and kids. Don’t get old like me and be alone.
I also think that he is speaking a lot of sense. I could have gone either way. I had kids late, and was perfectly happy being free with no commitments, but I was not against having children either. I was 50 when my daughter was born, and I now I also have a son. My relationship with my children is the most important thing in my life. I now live to give them a good start in life.
@@Paul-rs4gd How late did you start your family? I am in the same boat. Is your wife of the same same age as you?
But you think it is worth it marrying nowadays with these “ modern women “ you’ve seen the divorce rate and how courts damage financially, spiritually, emotionally? Women nowadays are incentive to get divorce because they know they can win no matter the odds
Life has a biger purpose than only having a family...as some ppl lost their entire family, yet they were able to continue with their lives.
@@mynameis8404 Logic right here.
She said that like she was trying to convince herself as much as him.
Hayley holt ladies and gentlemen. Doesn't suprise me she would be this dumb in this interview
What
And he did it better
I think she said it more as if she were slapping his offensive beliefs. He's merely stating conclusions gained from studies by his peers. I think that is why it is so easy for Mr. Peterson to befuddle his interviewers...they don't see the depths because of the shallows.
@@Redmow51 Mr Maynard , what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
That’s a very polite way of saying: be careful you don’t die alone.
We all die alone
We don't die alone, we die with memories, friendships, love, happiness and satifactory.
All of that is a choice, fight on!
@@goldschool9050 quoting Donnie Darko 😆 😆 😆
Hmmmm
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Saw the rest of this interview and she was a good interviewer. She allowed him to speak and was respectful as was he. It just doesn’t have to be all Kathy Newman level rubbish.
Yep this interview was done in New Zealand where I live. This TV presenter (hayley holt is her name) is actually a well known lesbian. She presented a sport show before moving to news and used to play sport professionally. I dont think shes out to "get" JP or anything weird like that
I didn't get any animosity from the lady towards Peterson. Click bait.
@@houseis Her Bio says something completely different.
@@houseis I live in NZ, I must have missed that memo. As far as I know she's straight and used to date Richie McCaw.
@@houseis I second what Chris said.
My grandma was 89 she was not remembered when she died because of her career she was a businesswoman. She was not remembered because of her educational background she was remembered and mourned because of what of kind of a grandmother, mother, wife she was. She was honored and loves by hundreds of people 10 children 90 relatives 24 grandchildren. Not a single person said anything about her Strong and independence. All remembered her baking, her smile, her warm tea, her wisdom, her motherhood, her love for her children and grand children's. She was buried with pictures of our family not her diploma or her material achievements.
People can do both, and probably need to do both. But one is significantly more meaningful than the other. And I feel for people who don't want to or can't realise that.
If it was important to her, it was important.
@@slowfudgeballs9517 "People can do both..." did what Joe just said fly right over yah?
@@wetter4293 No.
@@slowfudgeballs9517 Okay then - Have a nice day!
I’m impressed how she didn’t interrupt him like most journalists.
Maybe despite being told to interrupt him like most journalists do she personally believes him to be knowledgeable and wanted to learn something of value for a change
well in her head she is saying "Damn! This m'fkr spittin' facts!"
Especially when it goes against the narrative they are pushing
I am also impressed. However she does not have an agenda to spin which is good for the audience to learn from someone who understands the behaviours of people rather than someone who wants to indoctrinate people to think in certain diversity way
The thing is that she isn't even a journalist
She actually comes across as a nice woman and intelligent, rational journalist.
She is. Shes lovely. But shes a sportswoman not a journalist or interviewer
She’s miserable
And why wouldn't she be?
@@ElijahMoore-Restfulnights You are presumptive and projecting.
@@Longtack55 100%
He was polite and elegant.
Salut. Nu am avut răbdarea de a termina videoclipul despre antisemitism, dar the rog să-mi răspunzi la următoarea întrebare de ai bunăvoință. Consideri normala expansiunea coloniștilor evrei pe teritoriul ocupat de musulmani?
I know right . I was expecting different but this was so respectful and true
Eloquent
That’s typical of Peterson
He is a rare gem.
Peterson 'interviews' very often turn into a therapy session. You can always tell right when it happens. It is at the 0:13 mark of this clip. His posture changes. He leans in. He is no longer 'discussing'. He is just listening. Then he shifts the conversation from 'speaking in general terms' to 'having a direct conversation with the interviewer'. Always fun to watch.
This is not a therapy session. The lady seems sincerely content with her life.
@roger adams I don't think he 'intends' to debate very often. He seems to be more interested in having a conversation. That said, in the instances where he has set out to debate, I think he holds his own. The monk debate on political correctness was pretty good.
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 I am more referring to the way he converses with other people. He seems genuinely interested in the person interviewing him. And, he acknowledged that she is probably very content in her life 'right now'. He just made the point that 'life after 45 gets lonely if you don't have a family'. I think that's a fair and accurate assessment.
@roger adams Two things- Jordan Peterson doesn’t want to debate people, he wants to have a conversation with them. Second of all, to a psychologist, the way people feel often determines the facts. It actually does mean something when people feel a certain way.
@roger adams no shit he's a psychologist dude
The disturbing part is that society has gotten to the point where someone has to actually explain such obvious things to the obtuse among us.
It's not disturbing at all, not everyone knows everything.
@@spikey288 'Not everyone knows everything'. Thank You!
@Jo Fugya it's never been an intrinsic meaning, everyone goes through a journey to search for their own happiness. Some people need someone to give them advice, sometimes it is needed. Not everyone has an omniscient view of the world like you
@@seasonedmind914 No problem! In fact it would be more true to say "no one knows everything"
It used to be the natural progression of life. Men and women yearned for a family of their own, so they married and had children once they left home. There were always those who did not want that life, but today it seems there are many who do not. Perhaps it’s due to broken parents marriages and the pressure for women to have careers.
She's a very nice woman! She didn't kill him when he asked about her age.
I think she was proud to give her age
@@johannesvanhoek9080 What is wrong any way if a woman is asked her age, it should be no more significant than asking ones name.
That whole 'you don't ask a woman her age' thing is such a nonsense.
It is a problem to women, because they subconsciously know they are less valuable to men as they age.
By the way, she 'didn't kill him' not because she's nice. I think that's just her being professional.
@@dongypooh I don't think it has anything to do with men really. I think it's because women have been shamed by so many parts of society for ever growing older. It's been a great way to bilk women out of millions wasting our money on staying youthful rather than investing our money and reaping a meaningful return. It's really too bad we women don't just die off around 26, right? No more unsightly women and men would never be thought ill of for pursuing multiple women in their lifetime.
I pretty much think asking a woman's age is like asking a man how much money he makes. Society doesn't really have much use for low earning men, does it? And fewer women desire older men these days, so there's that.
One way or another, it seems that we're all in the same boat, and it's sinking faster all the time.
I'm sure the problem doesn't originate in men trying to assure they're investing their valuable time and interest in an outdated ware, which is thoroughly hidden behind a luxury dress and 2mm of cosmetic base. Certainly, there are such individuals, but most men aren't that mercenary. It's rather women trying to pretend they aren't ageing in public and in effect ruining their skin and automatizing their behavior, which shows off in private. That men can't ask about woman's age is uncomfortable in certain situations, in which it'd be natural and informational, but still we have to be careful what we're saying. Ultimately, it's cultural principle - its seriousness depending on the local culture. In my country it's rather observed, though slightly diminishing with time. We try to avoid it and either wait with the direct question until it's absolutely necessary and obvious, or workaround it with additional narrations.
On top of that - my original post was a JOKE, but seems like it grew to a serious stuff! ;)
Peterson: "Women are taught to value their careers more than family"
Reporter: "I wasn't taught that. What gives my life meaning is my career."
Hahahah
No. She wasn't quite saying that. She said she has done quite well with her career, but feels critcised for not having a family yet. That contradicts the idea that "women are taught to value their career more than family."
She's saying her experience has been the opposite.
@@grief1 telling women that the most important thing they will do is their career, is just as bad as telling them the most important thing is to bare children.
Historically, the latter has been the norm, and so feminist movements have pushed back against that. Perhaps, sometimes too extremely, but they are not without good reason.
@@grief1 why, what?
I know!! what??
This interviewer deserves a round of applause for actually letting him speak without interrupting 👏👏👏
The bar is so low nowadays that we feel the need to applause people for bare minimum things.
@@tshaolin971 your right allowing someone to speak is respect and a human right so the fact that most people can't do that is really a disappointment society is truly doomed.
Let's give this woman a round of applause for sitting down as well. I despair...
Meow
We should also applaud her for looking professional and not being obese.
A lot of the interviews that Jordan Peterson go through have hosts who are constantly and are rudely interrupting him while he makes his point. Hence the comment about the applause for not interrupting him in this one.
When you die your job will replace you in 2-3 days.. "Did you hear about Bob in accounting, he passed away?" "Yeah, sorry to hear about that" , "Well Dave from payroll will now take over Bob's job responsibilities" and that's the last conversation about Bob.
and maaaaybe over a sporadic lunch now and then a few veterans that might still be there MIGHT somehow remember you and be like "yea I do miss Bob he was funny". But then yea THAT is about it. Serve 5 years or 35 years its gonna be the same dispassionate email "congratulations on all your hard work, we here at xyz corp truly cherish the contributions of each and every one of you, today is your 5th/10th/20th/50th anniversary! We wish you another great year of productivity!".
NEXT
But Dave was working in sales. How does that make him proficient in accounting? o_O
The soulless machine will keep grinding with or without you.
@@Wolf9of9Odin Exactly
Having kids is not for everyone, however its important to have close people around, quality over quantity.
Yes. He talks about community, but then immediately talks about family, like it's impossible to have community and not have family. Also, there is nothing wrong with an introspective or even introverted life. If you get lonely, hop on the internet, argued with people, then remember why you are doing your own thing without a care int he world.
@@blackcanyongarage
'He talks about community, but then immediately talks about family, like it's impossible to have community and not have family.'
This kinda smacks of projection - he was using 'community' to emphasize his point and make it understandable from another angle, not to make them mutually exclusive.
'If you get lonely, hop on the internet, argued with people, then remember why you are doing your own thing without a care int he world.'
Where were you the last year or so of lockdown? There have been widespread reports of feeling totally isolated - for self-explanatory reasons - and they could've really done with your advice...
@@iamjurell Mental health is something that should be taught in some where a person can recognize that they are isolating, and of there needs to be something they can do, to have the lower to enact a strategy to pull them from said isolation. People tend to seek out like minded individuals so they can build a community and form a support network of sorts. Where was I? In my home. By myself. Do I have friends? Yes. Do I have family? Yes. Do ai have community? Yes. I am not defined by any of those because I am an autonomous individual. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
@@blackcanyongarage I'm not sure who you're trying to convince - who said that one is defined solely by family? And how does this even vaguely dispute the notion that people value having kids? There's a reason it's known as the biological imperative.
Oh yeah, and unless you're living alone on an island, there is no such thing as the true individual. Humans aren't apex predators, humans are a communal species - it can even be somewhat argued that humans are a eusocial species.
That language exists - and that virtually everything boils down to considerations of either yourself or other people - is kind've a hint towards that.
@@iamjurell you're going completely off topic here. We're talking about the statement this man says, about being lonely at 45, and having community, but then to divert to family, is the only true way to have that community. It's objective, not fact. And everyone is different and thinks different. So to say that a person (girls as he puts it) who is taught to out family second to their career, only to find themselves lonely at 45 and barren (implying by asking the woman's age) he is saying family is the only true form of community, which is subjective, and his opinion. One that I wholeheartedly disagree with.
*Less clickbait title:* Two people have reasonable debate.
agree 💯
That only works in 2019, not flown world
Disagreed.
I don’t think you know what dr Peterson went through with some hardcore feminists
Yep, getting so tired of it. It’s getting to a stage where I don’t click on videos like that. I know though, most of the time the convo doesn’t reflect the title, especially a Jordan Peterson one, very respectful.
I felt that he struck a chord within her when he talked about being lonely after 45 or so. My heart goes out to these young women who make decisions about having a family, many times to find that they regret letting that time of life go by.
She was lovely and very mannerly, unlike the majority of women who interview Dr. Peterson.
For sure at some point in your life you must decide where your focus will be. Undoubtedly you will wish for the other. Difficult if not impossible to have a high end career , which isn’t 9 to 5 and be a parent too. Today with two income families being a common thing , the days of being a stay at home mom or dad are gone.
She got married had a baby not long after this actually. I never knew about this interview.
@@murrayclarke2171 really, I guess she got blessed by this interview and that she thought she was blessed because she didn't experience her friends have to deal with raising their child.
Really? If so, good for her. Glad she finally came to her senses. What’s her name?
@@jimkillerx Hayley holt. She was like NZ version of Bridget Jones - even did funny stuff early in career. She’s great.
She's a much better interviewer than most, actually lets the other person speak.
Because shes not British or American....
So what you're saying...
I think that's why he was so kind to her when she said she was 38 and hadn't started a family yet. I think he wanted to say "you've waited too long, the pickings for someone your age will be slim", but he put it in a more polite way. :)
Yes it's kinda unusual to see guests speak in interviews, esp in interviews with jordan
lets
It would be interesting to see her interviewed again in 25 or 30 years from now.
Hell, even another 10 would probably do the trick.
She may be part of the small demographic of women who genuinely isn't maternal. If so, good for her for achieving a successful career, and good for her non-existent children!
That is true .. I do believe some people really aren’t cut out to be mothers and that is ok. It’s better they realize that and not bring kids into the world that will have issues. But I do agree if the reason is because you feel you need a career to prove who you are and you push against those mothering instinct because you don’t want to “conform” as you put it. Then I think you will have regrets in later years .
@@wijkeg4558 mmm she looked affected and definitely thoughtful when Jordan made his point. Probably some gray there.
25 years, try 5 years...
In what bizzaro world we live in if saying that family is more important than your job is somehow controversial lol.
Exactly! Anyone can get a job their entire life! Not so bearing and raising beautiful offspring.
wage slaves have to be indoctrinated that its their life goal and not what they do because they have to.
@@augustinius6586 And they never learn this. Society has lost a mother and corporate greed created an indebted, college grad, faux career chaser and a long term taxpayer.
@@augustinius6586 Yes and also modern feminism... they have to try and show men that they don't need them in any capacity to be happy and fulfilled.. and like all ideologies its a doomed path to unhappiness
The world run by Leftists
She listened. And she now has a child. I am proud of her
@Cyclone-vm6jc she had all the time of the world to consider if his words are manipulative. Also she has her own personality. If she judged that this is good for her, I am proud of her because I believe in happiness coming from a child. If you do not, good for you.
Jordan is simply giving a long-term strategy for a meaningful life by stressing the importance of also having close-knit relationships. I concur 💯, so true!!
Who defines what is meaningful to a specific individual? There are people who prefer solitude rather than relationships with other people. It depends entirely on the person.
@@alien4053 True, but humans are social creatures- it's easier and emotionally healthier to have close knit-relationships, and having a spouse and kids can help with that. Have you heard of Joyce Carol Vincent? She literally died alone and no one knew about it for over a year because she didn't have close relationships with family, friends, and had no spouse or kids.
@@karaokeandrandomclips So what? Idk who's the person you're talking about but is not that she will care about how many people going to know about her dead, because, you know, the detail that she's dead
@@alien4053 Being a introvert has it's limits. One day it turns on you. That's a bad day. And it's going to last decades. Jordan knows this from his practice. It's predictable.
@@alien4053 It isn't about one specific individual. Nobody's bothered by that. It's always about the big, cultural change, the societal shift. Can you imagine her (women not having babies) being the norm? It'll be all plants and animals before the end of the century, and I'm saying this as a lover of nature.
No red pill.
Just his honest personal insight.
Hes a tosser. Hes a walking stream of consciousness. Incoherent consciousness
@@zapkvr A toddler can comprehend what he's saying. How is this incoherent?
@@zapkvr big words must be difficult for you
@@FlyingOlive27 But he is kinda right. Peterson just points out obvious things and coats them in "facts dont care about your feels" and all the generic antiSJWs go "take my money" =)
@@karimshebeika8010 but he's popular because most people are too afraid to embrace these "obvious facts" as their public opinions since there is so much vitriol being hurled at them by people that typically fall to one side of the political spectrum, and the people who aren't afraid are usually not capable of expressing themselves with his level of eloquence and rock solid stream of logic
When your child makes you laugh so hard you can't contain yourself or when they give you cuddles and kisses. I wouldn't change it for any career in the world. Proud mama
It is amazing that even when they give you a face full of shit you still feel the same!
Fair enough - but she's obviously very different to you & doesn't want kids.
100% in agreement !! One of my best memories ( Amongst a billion ) was my little girl.. being about 4 or 5 and jumping on my bear back while I laid Saturday morning very tired form working late that Friday and giving me kisses and hugs the whole time while saying " I Love You Daee " She is all grown up now but Oh boy What beautiful memories I live with !! :P) !!
Yeah but the stress relief of not having kids---stress after 35 yrs of age or so doesn’t compare when you are not a mom or dad--my 17 yr old leaving the driveway everyday is intense ya know
@@davidz2562 it's one of things in life that you don't know how much you wanted and needed it until after you have it. Once you do you can't and you don't want to imagine your life without it.
I remember my mother on her deathbed
"I wish i spent more time working and less with my kids"
A true feminist icon
I'm dying here. Superb.
Meow
Nail to the coffin!
That's really sad.
@@barbarasimons3762 Dear Barbara, the comment above was pure sarcasm. Those words were not said and will never be said by anybody on day they go on the other world.
I get it but we can’t view our lives at 25 years old from the view of our minds on our deathbeds if that makes sense…you have to work to be successful and with that comes sacrifices…spend time with family yes but don’t not work cause you have a family lmao
She obviously doesn't know how rewarding parenthood is. I cooked cupcakes with my daughter today and honestly, I had one of the best days of my life. We went for a walk down the dog park and just had fun all day.
While parenthood *can* be rewarding, there are just as many (if not more) stories about people who regret having children (about 40% of pregnancies are unplanned). Maybe they had a child with the wrong person , maybe it was the wrong time , maybe they simply weren’t able to support a child financially/physically/mentally/emotionally.
I think there are plenty of valid reasons why a person would choose not to have children - and that doesn’t take away from the positive experiences of those who did have children.
@@BlackPhoenx17 While I agree that there are valid reasons that people may choose not to have children, I disagree with the idea that pregnancies just happen to people, unplanned, with the "wrong" person, at the wrong time. I am a woman and know exactly what to do in order to get pregnant or to avoid getting pregnant. Pregnancy does not "just happen" to women, and 99% of the time, we have a choice whether to get pregnant or not.
@@melissasw64 I assume you’re in a western country where healthcare and pharmaceuticals are easily available? In that setting, it’s very easy to control pregnancy. However, most people in the world aren’t in that setting. And even those who are still utilize Plan B and abortions relatively often.
That said, unintended pregnancy is just a small aspect of the Discussion. The greater point is that having children is not a one-way ticket to happiness and fulfillment. It’s very case specific. For some people, childbirth has been the greatest thing ever. For others, childbirth was not the fairy tale many people expected.
I just think it’s misleading to tell all women that having a child will guarantee some kind of happiness.
You can't miss what you've never had.
@@BlackPhoenx17 not happiness necessarily but instead something far more valuable and keep in mind this still applys if the child has health problems (worst case scenario). It comes with fulfilment.
He took the lady’s armor when he talked about how a family means more to a man than his own career while he’s a breadwinner. A lot of women have a perception of what they think men value and it couldn’t be further from the truth.
100%
I work... for my family. That's the only reason I work.
She has already tried for a child, and sadly lost it. This would have been a tough interview for her.
Women have very little or ZERO understanding of what makes a man happy or what he really feels.
Just like men have little or ZERO understanding of what makes a woman happy or fulfilled!!!
As the books say Men are from Mars and women from Venus$!!
@@andrewwood4611 and they project their value systems onto us as if we’re the superficial ones when it’s clearly them.
You can see the despair on her face as she starts to realize he is right.
yup. sadly, im all out of empathy at this point. Decades of being the go-to villain will do that to a guy.
hell yes
Yeah, as soon as he grounds what he's saying in the reality that "after 45, it gets lonely", her face drops. As though she'd never considered her situation in those terms before.
At some point, her career will peter out, and her friends will be too busy with the families that they built, to have much time for her.
Her face reminds me of that viral video where the little boy is asked by a reporter if he's ok. He says yes and then starts crying.
This was filmed two years ago, Hayley Holt the presenter, actually lost her unborn son at the age of 40 in 2020.
In addition to the calm, respectful attitude of this discussion, what struck me was the open question asked by the journalist: “What do you say to that?” It wasn’t a statement, rhetorical or closed. Very excellent discussion that was refreshingly different to what the title suggested.
The title is aggressive, this was actually a chill exchange with no friction
Aye, very bad title all round.
It’s written by some woman hating incel probably
@@zed3063 That's projection on your part because red pills are equal opportunity. That is to say that it doesn't matter if you choose to believe it or not-- the truth is she's worked really hard for something that will give you no comfort when you are on your death bed and the moments leading up to it.
If she chooses not to have children in the very very near future, she will not remember that she is rich and famous when Father Time comes ticking. She will only be aware that she worked really hard and sacrificed much for and have no heir, and that she isn't taking this fame and fortune to the next life.
Don't disregard the fact that the constant smile on her face was her attempt at mockery! I'm almost certain that Jordan will eventually have the last laugh, and what he said was 100% true in my view.
@@MoctezumasRevenge1 that's not how projection works lol
She was fine. Alot more respectful than other interviewers.
You know society is down on the slumps when there’s a hundred comments complimenting someone for having basic common decency…
@@manafon5398 yeah...
Yes, I think people are more disturbed by her lack of insight than her manners.
@Alan Doyle the sense I got was that she feels she has dodged a bullet by not having kids already. That gives the impression that she thinks she will never want them, even though she won’t say that. (Why would kids be a terrible idea at 30, but a great idea at 40?)
My guess would be she has seen many failed marriages/relationships around her, blames having children for that, and doesn’t want any part of that. In those cases the children weren’t the problem, it is usually caused by people who never should have gotten together, getting together. Lack of shared values and what not.
I love his demeanor and the way he calmly told her she might get lonely. Hes not smug or rude about being right like most people are when they know their right.
he's just stating a fact probably based on his clinical experience, etc. agree with you.
@@tsuba14 His idea that she 'might' get lonely isn't a fact, it's just an idea and he's privileging it over hers. He's not from a similar cultural location to her at all. How does he know what lonely constitutes for her, who her family is or her sense of belonging in her community..? He doesn't. He's just guessing and his western educated guesses are usually only backed up by western social constructions, the same ones that suggest he's an expert. So if you reject common or traditional social constructions which people are doing more and more, monogamy, patriarchy etc, he's no longer an expert and just a 'know-it-all' entitled jerk.
@@daveyboots79 People without family getting lonely is a fact for so many, the majority for sure. Imagine that your friends have families and you have none. Sure you can ask to invade their homes on the holidays and stuff.... Family is essential. Now if you can be happy without a family that's great, but it's highly unlikely. Perhaps you are unique in that respect, but not everyone has that inclination. He dealt with her with compassion and delivered the truth. So many people shy away from the truth to avoid any hint of animosity. I think it's the truth and so many do as well, you may think what you will, but honesty is a lost art in a world full of bullshit. Calling Jordan Peterson an entitled jerk, that's beyond my logical faculties. That's absurd.
@@prohacvice9671 We disagree about what constitutes a fact, even the truth in a way. Fact is math, fact is the sun being hot... The common experience of the majority, over the few, doesn't make their experience a fact. Also, try getting a democrat and a republican to agree on truth.
Maybe calling him an entitled jerk was a bit over the top, but his acolytes take up his archetypical views and use them to justify blatant mysogyny.. read some of the trash written about this reporter in this comment section and tell me I'm getting, it's disturbing.
@@daveyboots79 I'm from Sweden, so I am neither democrat nor republican.I believe Jordan has good intentions and is compassionate. He is a clinician and has probably come across women who put career over everything before. Loneliness trumps any joy extracted from a career past a certain point in life is what he says. Family is pivotal, so to forego family might be the biggest mistake one ever makes and for a woman it's truly important to consider it very carefully because fertility is finite. (Sure adoption is an option, but that's not same as one's line isn't furthered.)
He is so right.
My son died almost 10 years ago.
I am alone on this rock growing old......
Sorry for your loss dude
Get involved in charity, regaardless of your age. Do waht you can do for others. Helping ppl out gives you bliss and purpose. Just my two cents. God bless.
@@darkschneider8508 yes, that is basically what I do these days..
I live now in Cambodia and help as many locals as I can.
I miss my son every day.
Working on cherishing the good times..
Here in Cambodia it is quite easy to find people who have had much worse experiences...
Thanks everybody..
Best of luck in 2022
@@jeffmill999 My man, your deeds will not be unnoticed. You Sir are a true alpha!
@@darkschneider8508 yes, I get an A for suffering...
Helping people helps me keep going...for sure..
Take care...
My children and grand children are the light of my life nothing has brought me so much Joy and I thank God every day for his blessings
My daughter and faith in Christ have been my biggest, deepest and most profound parts of my life.
@Frank Silvers I've never been married and I worship God I love my children but Your points are valid and thanks for your reply
Know the feeling. Given the choice of best job in the world or fatherhood, I'd pick the second, hands-down. Waiting for grand-children!
Oh that's beautiful, glad to hear ❤️
I am female.. I climbed the “Corporate ladder” I put my career first, even before my marriage some times and it almost cost me my marriage. But it never fulfilled me completely in my mind ,body , and soul as much as letting it all go and having my children. I tried to hang on to both for a while and then I realized I was giving more to my career again than my children. And I was miserable, stressed 😩. We made a decision. Got out of financial debt, down sized , and lived off one income and I stayed home raised my children. It has been the only thing that has brought me absolute joy. My boys are all now grown , one married. And are amazing well adjusted, balanced human being. They are gentlemen, hard working, don’t smoke , never touched drugs . And don’t drink. All by their choice. I realize that the greatest contribution I could give to this earth was to raise good decent Humans to take care of this planet and those on it. More than any corporate career would. Have no regrets!
Congrats for your wise decision! 👏👏
Totally respect your decision👏 . imagine getting a career you always wanted and finding yourself not living a happy life. but then there are people who are happy just with their career. we have to respect their decisions too. they too contribute to the society .
Thank you. If more people actually raised their children, this world would be a better place.
I love your comments. I remember watching an old episode of Oprah years ago that was talking about women and their body's timeclock, jobs and fertility. Someone said something like, if you wait till you are 35 or 40 to have kids it may be too late. Some women can have babies at 45, some women's bodies can't at 35, every woman's body has it's own timeline. For me that was so important to hear. I was married at 20, had my first child at 22. I had my youngest at 26 yrs old. (I have 2 beautiful children here and lost 3 babies due to miscarriage). My clock ran out at 26. I am so glad I made the choices I did with my husband to start our family early and stay home to raise our children. 💗 I feel so blessed.
You're a damn good mother. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. My wife made the same decision after our 3rd child was born nearly 5 years ago. I'm blessed that I make a good enough living that she can be a stay-at-home mom. We both love it and so do the kids.
She actually got pregnant about a year after this interview but then had a miscarriage unfortunately. Pray for her. Hailey Holt.
See....these career chasing women are simply wasting their precious time of sexual fertility period.
Damn, that’s sad, particularly because it was far more likely at her age, even if she seemed to have understood the lesson. Hope she still gets her family.
@@harrythej9683 yeah, even if it was late.....she understood the situation and tried so she deserves another chance
Pray for him , arrogant just like 😈
Damn, that is harsh. Hope that she is okay.
I'm a father to a ten months old boy and everytime I back home all the fatigues suddenly drops ! It's true I fill with energy you can't even express the happiness when you come back home and seeing your children smile to you !
Yup
I don't think it's worth the risk
@@Mathias6x for you? Don't bring your insecurities here. For most people it's not a burden - now live your sad lonely little life without anyone by your side.
I would have liked to see more of this interview as the interviewer at least was prepared to listen, without interruption, to the answer to her question. A rare "method" of conducting an interview now days it seems as so many are ill mannered and only after a rsponse acceptable to their own P.C. views.
So what you're saying is....
I think the host was interested in listening to Peterson's perspective. And he responded respectfully and professionally. Unfortunately, many interviewers have a left-wing agenda that's why the interview ends up unpleasant and less useful for the audience.
Here is the link to the full interview. facebook.com/Breakfaston1/videos/2298731187078780
It is also interesting to note that within a year of this interview where Jordan talks about the importance of family as well as career, this woman is pregnant, even though during the interview she seems skeptical of the need for family. www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/hayley-holt-announces-shes-pregnant-live-on-tvnzs-breakfast/2AUVF5WYKHXYU3DJUMD427DMWQ/
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@@lswote I believe there is a high likelihood this conversation at the least weighed on her mind for a bit. I think she respected him as a professional, you can tell by how she is genuinely listening to what he's saying.
"How old are you?
"I'm 38"
"mmhm"
damn he almost didn't have to say anything after that mmhm. lol
He knows that she knows, and she knows that he knows that she knows.
@@M.W.H. Well put.
I'd bet a lot of money that she went home that night and had a hard time sleeping.
I caught that too.
@@highsociety7677 Oh yes. "I've wanted this for a very, very, very, long time and I thought my time was running it out - and it hasn't!" Holt gleefully told Breakfast's viewers.
Unfortunately she lost the baby.
He didn't "drop a red pill on her." They both just shared their experiences.
He shared an experience she was yet to have. She wont like the "free" choice she made that will yield that experience to come.
@@BBC357 it's presumptuous to say what she'll like later in life. But you're right he shared perspectives that she's not even had a chance to experience yet
BBC357 what exactly gives you the confidence on what she would and would not like? I've seen pkenty of people living happily without forming a family
You can tell she is at the oh shit I hope I didn't fuck this decision up stage of single late 30s women go through.
No, as a man in my forties and looking around the ppl I know, his "experience" was a red pill for careerist women. But she already knew this, it's for the others. But a successful woman like her can still do much
The fact that we're glad, relieved etc. that a journalist / interviewer behaved as a journalist / interviewer is supposed to behave tells a LOT about how sad, unethical, dark and crazy/irrational these times are and today's Media/Press is. Anyway, kudos to her for doing her job properly and to her employer for letting her do her job properly. It's a small victory for sanity and ethics.
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After she tried to comfort herself, you can see she's "bleeding" inside
@@Phil_X you fucking Savage! 😂
At 38, her biological clock is ticking, and she knows it.
@@Phil_X holy fk bro I laughed so hard I woke up my wife
@@greglapointe1311 Sorry, but her clock has already wound down, sad.
so what, why does that make you feel better?
actually there's most people in the comments not describing things that way at all.
She was polite and he was polite and informative, and she welcomed what he said.
Ask yourself what kind of person you are, looking for these nasty qualities to project on something that actually doesnt show any such reality.
This didn’t have anything to do with the “red pill.” He made a salient point - and he didn’t pin it to either men or women alone. It was a reflection about the consequences of making your career the unequivocal center of your life instead of recognizing how much value there is in family. When pressed on the family bit, he gave a very flexible and open space for close knit community to come in different forms.
I'd argue (politely!) that he did drop the red pill on her, because you can't seem to get it through to women that study/career/ travel/socialism/NGOs/ ChadandTyrone will only make them husbandless, childless miserable and lonely. Telling them is absolute poison.
That's called an effective "red pill," We don't all have to be like Trump.
@@Angrybogan I bet women are all over you
Fair assessment. He is one of the most miss understood public figures around today.
Most people nowadays, both men and women, live under the delusion that family isn't all that important, that it's archaic and out-dated. Telling these people, specifically women, that they're making a great error (the red pill, regarding this video's topic,) is directly in conflict with the way they perceive the world (blue pilled.)
One thing I tell people is that I didn't know what love really was until I had my son. I thought I did. But I didn't.
Yo me too bro no doubt 👍
I didn’t want children. But my daughter/s are the best gift I don’t know I wanted. I wouldn’t be very interested in living without them.
*didn’t
So true, but wait until the grandchildren come along. That love can be even more wonderful.
You are 100 percent correct. That is exactly what I feel everyday.
Jordan: “Science suggests ____”
Cathy: “So you hate Dutch people.”
lol😁
I'm reminded of a line by a character from an Austin Powers movie :"There are 2 types of people I can't stand : people who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch" 😂😂
That’s so funny ! I cant stand how revolting she behaved she made women look bad
@@justherald1117 Lmao, that was Michael Caine as Nigel Powers that said that, his faja. That just brought back fun memories.
Tgats funny
And that's the honest truth, a career ends one day but family is forever that is unless you lose them all in some freak accident😰.
A freak accident like your wife having an affair for five years and destroying the whole family?
Raised in a cult like environment and only when you're out you realize it?
Nothing is for EVER. Everything ends eventually.
Even if you lose them they are still forever
... which is rare.
Dr Jordan looks 100% healthy. I hope he got over his health issues.
He was having it rough for a bit😭
Well, that interview was from New Zealand, I think (at least she sounds kiwi), from about 2 or 3 years ago. But he's putting out videoes again ;)
*addiction issues. Looks like he finally made his own bed. I wonder if he'll stop arguing against systemic solutions using personal dogmatism next. Who can say?
@@jacobunderwood4957 I already know that and still have big respect for him, his addiction was a result of some prescription medication or something that legit messed him up for awhile. Either way happy he's ok now. And he's still one of the great men of our time.
@@jacobunderwood4957 Woah ho ho. How familiar are you actually with his medications? He took anti-anxiety medication as prescribed. His anxiety was from his tour to over 150 cities in a single year, during which his wife's terminal cancer was hanging over his head. Thankfully, she recovered against the odds, and when he had a negative reaction from the side effects of the medication, he attempted to taper off, but the withdrawal made it difficult to do so and he went to rehab without hiding it. What gives you the impression that he doesn't believe in prescribed medication? What do you mean "finally made his own bed?"
Funny how he's basically saying "Life is more than just work" and for that reason and others like it, he's hated for it.
Sadly, for more and more peple - it isn't.
What shit
He's 'hated' for relentlessly grifting with a response to every societal problem being "make your own bed, first". He's simplistic and shoves his simplistic solutions into conversations where they don't belong. /shrug
@@jacobunderwood4957 Jacob, you may want to look up the word irony.
@@jacobunderwood4957 oh to have life so complex and the solutions to be equally as complex, right? It makes for a chaotic life. Those who choose that path often become overwhelmed and begin pointing the finger at others to blame. .....sound familiar?
What a breath of fresh air: an interviewer who asks constructive questions and listens to the answers! AND is asking the following question based on what the merit of the answer was. 👏
For surety
When you're living in a world of "accept the lies and be happy", the truth hurts pretty bad, huh?
What truth, all I heard was an opinion.
the truth is if you don't really want children, it is probably better not to bring yet another unwanted child into the world, who might grow up and take the lives of beloved children or parents.
@Victor Joseph I agree, but I know it is easy to say, but no one needs to be alone all the time, there are organisations people can reach out to, just because people don't have kids or see the ones they did have, doesn't mean they never contributed, i would love to have the type of pets i could take to people on their own who miss pets, now nearly every city has befriending agencies, maybe after lockdown more people will reach out to help and be helped
@@timan2039 seeing as the original comment has way more likes than disagreements means it’s a very popular opinion
Or, it's like Cypher saying to Agent Smith when they made their deal, "Ignorance is bliss."
She hasn’t experienced what Jordan is talking about. She will... and when she does she will remember this interview. I’m in my 60’s and what he is saying here is the absolute truth and I didn’t know it was the truth until my first child was born. You can’t explain it to people until they themselves have their first child. Once they do you see it in their eyes. They understand.
She is pregnant
@@bar1825 She miscarried
64 and he's talking complete horseshit.
"Family" is what you make it.
Parents and siblings are an accident of birth and I've had nothing to do with them my entire life.
I'm wonderfully not-lonely and living the life.
You putzes are just living the birth-work-die cycle.
@@ridetillidie8090 you’re a man. Women are more social than men and also less independent. And its biological to want to reproduce its not a manmade system.
@@sirmeurtrier6951 You're mistaken. I had just given Mr. Canterbury a thumbs up as I began to read your comment. Last I checked, I am a woman.
Dr. Peterson is a divine gift for a lot of men (and women) who struggle in these crazy times. He certainly was for me.
Yes, a lot of women will benefit from the decent men he’s helped produce.
2021 has been a tough year for Haley. She had a miscarriage, and on top of that several months of separation from her close family due to NZ’s Covid lockdowns.
I believe JP made a huge positive impact on her in this interview, and she has shown great mental strength and courage ever since.
She has traded a few easier years now for many hard years in later life. Kids are hard work but hard work is rewarding.
It can be rewarding for some but it can also be agonizing - there are no guarantees- children can be born with complex medical problems or acquire them later, they can have bad luck and they can make bad decisions and all of these situations happen randomly to people every day and the grief just like the love is something incomparable and if one could avoid that suffering for your child I bet many parents would turn back the clock and choose a different path...
@@sueedwards7989 this. See way too many parents now with kids ending up dead, in jail, born with issues, get into accidents and get issues, etc. Just a fraction of kids end up being super success stories. Knew a girl at my first job who was a success until her helicopter slammed into a mountain on her honeymoon and burned alive to a tragic death. Her parents never recovered.
@@TraumaER a fraction of kids end up being “super success” stories?
Let’s break this down: there are billions of people on this planet, all of whom are somebody’s child. Your claim is that a small fraction of these billions of people are “successful” while the rest of the world would’ve been better off aborted or something?
If I’m misrepresenting your view, please let me know. Because you sound insane. “Super successful” lol, does everyone have to become a brain surgeon to meet your standards?
I feel bad for you. Most sane parents just want their children to grow up as kind, responsible people with good work ethic.
Sheesh
@@ccox7198 nope , I rather be old and be financially stable and see my kid graduate highschool in my 60s then be 45 and be broke like most Americans living paycheck to paycheck with 3 kids all miserable
@@TraumaER Majority of people grow up to be okay dude. Which world do you live in.
My God, my wife, my children and my grandchildren are what make this life worth living. My career is just a means to an end
But friends are also a thing though. It's not just either career or children, there are more things in life
They may make your life worth living in your opinion but not everyone shares that opinion.
@@IngvarMar yea but not as important as what he listed
Golden words. If only every Man think like this.. my my my....💜🎁🎈
so do you want their world to keep getting unsafe by people having children they don't want, love and being wanted are so important for humans, not to get that often destroys their humanity which leads to them not caring about you or your beloved family, i.e. in the case of school shooters, etc, etc.
She actually tried to start a family not long after this, sadly she suffered a very late miscarriage, she really did listen.
Poor girl. I hope she's successful one day.
I'm glad she got the idea....but feel sorry for her coz she realised it a bit late
Really, good for her.
38 is leaving it a bit late.
Well she waited to long to try and her age plus nature are not on her side.
You could see the gravity of what he was saying and the realization on her face. He was looking farther ahead than she ever had and it scared her immensely. Somewhere everyone forgot to teach the lesson a family is the ultimate reward in life.
it is a pleasure to see how he is telling her, with class, she is completely wrong...
He expertly allowed just enough slack with his words for her to not feel persoanlly attacked, while she got totally shredded.
She was very polite with her question aswell so it wasn't hard for him to continue with same politeness.
He mansplained.
She said she wasn't thought career was the most important thing. How is she wrong? Do you know her family or something? You realise it's okay for two people to discuss an issue where the discussion can't be viewed on a right vs wrong paradigm. Idiotic that there's such a need to make all interviewers of JP 'wrong' by default.
Stop projecting your bullshit onto Jordan. He isn’t concerned with being RIGHT. You are. He is simply explaining to this woman the other possibilities of living an entire life span. Shedding some light on things people may not have considered. That’s all. Why do people need this man to be DESTROYING other people. He isn’t concerned with that.
One of the most rewarding things in life, is when my daughter comes to me, just to give me a hug.
That's really selfish to be honest.
@@mashable8759 why?
@@AN71H3RO I think they refer to the fact that having a child is inherently selfish. Which is obviously true. That's not necessarily bad, though: most (if not all) human behaviors are selfish to some extent.
@@voxnihili7651 the point of humanity itself is selfish, like the simplest thing such as "Survive, everyone will be selfish about this because it's a main concern which to live another day and keep on living
@@nanarb6945Yes indeed that is what I meant
You can honestly see the peace in her eyes, and she really liked what he had to say and wanted to hear him speak.
NO you can NOT honestly see that because the tard uploaded this blocked seeing her the last third of the vid with dumb thumbnails no one will click on. but boy wish i could see if she did. probably did. but CANT see it,
I thought that was despair sinking in.
I see what you did there....☝😎
@@halburd1
Exactly why I won't thumbs up the vid. Don't need more junk like this
Great interview, regardless of how you feel about the subject matter. As others have said, the dialogue was respectful and each let the other speak. In terms of having/not having a family, what Mr. Peterson said in respects to having family resonates for me. My career has become far less important as I age, family is a precious blessing.
Watched my twin boys skip and run from my car to their preschool today, it was a beautiful moment. Kids are tough, kids are amazing. To those that struggle or don't have the opportunity to have children, my heart goes out to you and you can indeed find deep purpose and meaning elsewhere. In the service of others we become our best selves.
In my case, I am 52 years old and married and we have no kids, this is one of my biggest regrets in life.
if it's too late, maybe consider adopting
if even you feel that way, you surely will keep feeling it forever, so really consider that
I'd agree with @Populous3 Tutorials - you only need to nurture them until they leave home at 20-ish so as long as you can cope with the toddler stage in your 50's (& you will - as you will be life-experienced and mature unlike new parents) - you'll be fine - as long as careers are not too demanding of your time. If you are financially secure perhaps you could put any career on hold - as many people have said before, you don't say on your deathbed "I wish I'd worked longer & harder"......
You do NOT have to adopt a Toddler. There are many abandoned kids between 2-10. Try out Foster Home stuff. Take your time and know what you can do and cannot, do not get in over your head. I have a 4.5 year old son, but we are going to adopt a girl and she could be 8 years old. Abused, abandoned, thrown away. Ready to be recycled and made shiny again.
42 married male and no birth kids of my own, although not by choice, just married late. I do regret no kids of my own though
I'm mid 40s man, divorced and no kids. I also regret not having kids. It's a tough, lonely road. I'm scared of the future.
She is going straight home to make a kid tonight, that was so calm and truthful she got chills.
She got pregnant not long after this interview and lost the baby;
www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/hayley-holt-opens-up-about-miscarriage-really-showed-us-the-power-of-love/
so she is going to have a kid just incase she gets lonely, poor kid, will grow up unloved and unwanted, she should just go out and get some rescue dogs and cats! Problem solved.
Why do you feel the need to say that?
As a 20 year old, I would have a pooh-poohed what Dr.Peterson is saying. I was desperate to have a career and make money. However, as a 40 year old, I agree with him 💯. I have realized my family is my true calling. This is even more true if you are a parent! I don't want to miss my child's milestones to attend an office meeting. Some memories are priceless!
There is also the side where men become too consumed by their careers, even after having children, that they miss out on important milestones of their children's life. I mean like not sparing the time to watch them in the school play or the big sport's day. The incredible and lifetime joy it brings the child to know the parents are there. I doubt there are many men who, on their death beds, would ever say " I'm glad I went to work that day rather than my daughter's school play".
I had the privilege of being the stay-at-home Dad while my kids were toddlers as my wife was recovering from a car accident... It was tougher than any role I ever had in my own career... but God dammit... I really miss those days. I wish more men would do the same.. hopefully not under the same circumstances but just to get the opportunity to do what so few of us have done. Doing it every day is WAY different to picking up the pieces while your partner is busy.
That may seem so because the media and family court had decided that men who work automatically make them money hungry and ignorance and unfit parents! You see...men love his family differently than women. Men love their family by providing food and cover and by going out they are faced with danger and risks in order to obtain resources for the family to live on but when it comes to divorce or men vs women arguments, society quickly assume moms are naturally better parents because they are there with the kids and they stop there!
@@consciousbeing1188 If it was that easy for a man to just quit his job to simply stay home and enjoy his kids, they would do so, except not many can do just that! You forget that men work to provide for their family and that is a form of love too! Instead of acknowledging and bringing that up, you wish men would abandon their duties to provide...tell me, who will pay for the bills? Women? I will tell you that when men stop working their women would divorce these men and take the kids! You are nowhere "conscious", more like "woke"!
@@lickalotlickalot2210 - Why are you taking my comment so personally?... You have gone straight onto the offensive and made a lot of assumptions about me just to attack me.
I won't have a battle of wits against a clearly unarmed opponent.
If you look through the comments on this page you will see another comment I made around the same time as this... Read it and then come back and tell me if I'm so "woke".
Maybe we can have this conversation better when you're not so enamoured by your own opinion.
I said my role in those times was a privilege.. I made NO assertions that it's the right thing for everyone.
I took the red-pill YEARS before it was called the red pill, my friend... Something tells me I have quite a few more years of life experience than you do. Please don't ever make the mistake of telling me what I've forgotten based on a post as innocuous as the one I made. Just because the message from it didn't align with YOU doesn't mean that you know a damn thing about me.
Get yourself past your attitude and I hope we can have a civilised discourse .. but I won't entertain anyone who starts off with the belief that going on the attack is a good strategy.
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Live life how you choose it. Not by how others tell you. Family makes Jordan peterson happy. I know people who's families make their life miserable.
Thank you
I agree in principle, the point being overlooked is, how exactly does the human race continue to exist? How does a new generation of humans come about? Not by one gender being indoctrinated to focus primarily on their own 'success' in a chosen career and leave the notion of reproducing until its too late, complicated and risky health-wise. All in balance.
@@garym2372 yeah for sure. I'm not saying we should all go out and live our own lives selfishly. The narrative being spun here though is if you don't get married and start a family you will regret it. Some will and some won't.
@@mariamalhotra8228 awww sorry Maria
@@garym2372 You act as if this is an issue. The whole point is to do what makes you happy. plenty of people have kids for that reason. we will always have more than enough children. This is just a non issue.
An interviewer who lets him speak, UNHEARD OF! Props to her.
Outstanding advice.
An honest conversation. We need more of this.
My god what a refreshing change to hear him speak, and she actively listened- well done lady xx
Yes this one was a really nice, clean and professional interview from both sides 👍
She will never know the joy of a little one's hug.
That little one is not in need of her hug.
Of course she will! Maybe not her own, but family and friend's children. Being a parent is HARD WORK. Its not for everyone - and nor should it be.
@@hayamy3583 Say's another childless mother, not until you have your own that you nurture and love that is a part of you and the one you love.
@@hayamy3583 but hard work always pays. Easy Street also pays but with tears and regrets.
@@hayamy3583 Bravo!
38 years is only 42% of her lifespan. As Jordan is saying it is difficult to comprehend and look at your own life over its full span. We tend to look at our lifes in 5-10 year increments
I can honestly say having my first child put my entire life into perspective where all I want in life is to make sure she grows up to be an amazing person and spend time with her until I die. I really felt like my life actually finally began when I had her.
Agreed, the moment my daughter was born it somehow brought into focus who was Respecting me with the awful truth and who was telling me “what I want to hear”. I’ve been in self improvement mode ever since.
Trying to run with the “cool” before and needing only the real after.
That's cool. I see a lot of young mothers who are constantly annoyed with their little kids.
@@sagatuppercut2960 i think that’s because a lot of women don’t necessarily plan their pregnancies so it becomes a huge life change that they aren’t prepared for. I was married for 10 years Before I had my first baby so she was very well thought out and planned. I knew what I was getting into and how my life would change therefore I cherish my time with her and never see it as a burden. Before her my life was great but with her it’s even sweeter.
@@sagatuppercut2960 Yes. You can quickly tell who values their kids and who doesn't. When I'm with my nieces and nephews, I talk to them, and not just to tell them "stop doing that". You can tell it's a chose for some people, and that the kid was an accident.
@@sagatuppercut2960 yeah because they are fucking annoying but regardless I still love em to bits and they’re still the best thing that happened to me
She just not long ago lost her baby it was far into the pregnancy as well and was trying to have a family so this is quite heart breaking to watch.
Yeah I was thinking the same when I heard
@Schino Schina actually you can. the fertility right only decreases less than 1%.
That statistic saying that was older than you or any elderly man. Back in those days it might been a bit harder because they didn't have much knowledge and medicine and a woman could have possibly gotten some kind of a disease
True? Then she was putting on a brave face. Knowing full well how much that hurts.
@@no-ci9rp you have no idea what you are talking about.
For real?
It sounds like this had an effect on her. "She announced in January 2020 that she was pregnant with her first child. On 8 May 2020 it was announced that her child had died at about 7 months' gestation." God that's sad. Best of luck to her and her family if she decides to try again.
Very sad
That's incredibly sad.
as you get older the risks in pregnancy become greater, which is why starting young is the traditional way.
Poor thing.
And Jordan Peterson than said that she will die lonely and unhappy because her pregnancy was a failure.
your kids are your legacy !! they are the piece of you that you leave behind on this amazing planet when your gone
I respect this woman for letting him talk. She deserves to be happy and have a family.
yea that is sad that society has been brainwashed🤦♂️
I’m 59, I had a career didn’t marry and no kids! He is correct I am now missing out,. You will never be that important to your married freinds who have their own family. Married people really don’t want single people around. Family is more important than career.
adopt :)
God I wish I could do this. He wins the argument without ever becoming combative. True master of debate.
I know right some people have a gift to talk
The reason why it doesn't become combative is because they're both taking turns at listening to each other. More a conversation than a debate. Many people seem to be of the view that the best way to win a debate is to not let the other person speak!
@@crazydavec3861 so true, the issue I find is that those that hold there ideas so dear, completely lose their mind when you mention any actual concrete facts. Then you struggle to get another word in as they are insulting you with all the usual labels they try and throw. Somehow you find yourself fighting fire, rather then debating the actual topic.
I don't pretend to think I am blameless here, it must be the way I am presenting the Information but no matter how I attempt to change my method, the sheet mention of statistical evidence is a complete affront to these people.
@@Ben-ii5oy Oh yes this is definitely true. One particular tribe that stands out concerning that is creationists - they're not big on logic and facts at all!
Many low level conversations are not about what the conversation is about, they are about who's the boss and who absolutely knows it. You can't have a high level conversation with someone that wants to have a low level conversation unfortunately.
Humans are territorial, if you're in someone else's territory trying to stir things up they're probably not gonna be happy. I'm an IT solutions guy, I get paid to step into other folks territory and stir things up. Nearly always the barrier is folks getting possessive about how things are done. 3 months later they leave or switch departments .... and suddenly they couldn't give a stuff!
I don't see how won the argument; they weren't having one to begin with. He simply raised an issue she might not otherwise have considered. If she's anything like me, the thought of having kids fills me with fucking dread.
There is BC and AD. Before child and after delivery. Your life, what it might have been, veers more and more dramatically away over time. There has been so much to learn, and so much joy and laughter through the years. I wouldn't change a thing.
"Hit the wall" She certainly has not hit the wall. These two have good conversation skills, Jordan was listening intently, when she was speaking, showing his respect.
I hope she has her own children, and they bring her joy.
Remove her make up and you'll see her wall.
@@mamachola she has a high nasal bridge, and cheek bones giving her face a desirable aquiline look - it has nothing to do with make up, she simply has good breeding.
@@battler544 all the characteristics you've listed is irrelevant anyways , beauty is subjective. To say make up has nothing to do with hitting the wall is rather disingenous , maybe its not the main factor but its used to hide the imperfections that women face as they aged. Also she recently had a miscarriage , she's definitely hitting the wall.
Women over the age of 30, have already hit the wall. It's just biology, it's inevitable. Having a pretty face or putting makeup on, does not reverse atrophy.
What he said is absolutely true. I used to think like her in my 20’s and all of that changed when I had my first kid. Family is important. I’m surprised someone even has to explain it.
Well....in your 20s you needed it explained to you by your admission. For many it takes time to come out of the cocoon that the world wraps them up in and emerge as their own independent thinking person.
I remember teaching my daughter how to bake bagels. She wore a little apron and we really talked a lot. I'm now 51 and my three children have all left the home. It is very quiet, me, my wife and our aging dog. We have friends in the community, wonderful people. But it's not the same.
god you sound old for 51
It's an adjustment, that's for sure. We've moved to the grandchildren phase and I'm tellin you there is nothing better.
@@goodo5691 Yes, sounds that way, but it's experience, not age. Maybe I should have waited to have kids until I was in my 30's. My last child was born when I was 30. Oh well!
So then, I took my wife this weekend to a county "steam and gas show" . We had a great time. We now do the dating we kind-of missed out on when we were younger. When the dog croaks, we'll probably do some traveling. Early kids, late kids, everything has tradeoffs, you know?
i hear you completely. I'm 49 and my twin daughters just left for college. One is an hour away and the other is 7 hours away. After they left, it was as if all the air got sucked out of the house. i have been blessed with an extremely close relationship with both of my daughters, and i will always be their father, but it is not the same.
it'll suck for a while as empty nesters but then the grandkids come into the picture. maybe take the time to travel with the wife and do stuff you wanted to do before the kids came
Update: she’s married with kids now.
There are two sides of this: family can be a blessing or a burden. Or both.
True,, I grew up with my parents fighting....I have no desire to get married
That's 3 sides
@@endisnear306 Dont think that way. Chances are you would be a great parent just because your parents werent. People who are hesitant to get married are the ones who would actually be good spouses and parents.
@@outlander234 thanks I appreciate for your kind thoughts
@@endisnear306 Use it as inspiration to be the polar opposite. I've done that and could not be happier about it.
Some of my most fondest memories are spent with me making breakfast Saturday morning with my daughters sitting around talking to me while I'm working in the kitchen.
She asked a questions and considered his response, credit to her. There are WAY too many people who interrupt and refuse to listen.
Sometimes when JP speaks obvious truths like this, I’m struck by the fact that I haven’t heard them in a very long time.
Nice dialog. A "dialog " - when conversation is respected both ways.
Would hardly say that he was red pilling her. He was nice and gentle and so was she.
You need a catchy (misleading?) title to get people to watch your videos. Sad, but it works.
@@gwarlow worked for me and I liked it.
redpill is not about being "Not nice" it's about the fact and the truth
She seemed to be genuinely interested in his professional opinion, good for her. And Jordan Peterson is all class and knowledge, as always.
He's wrong to claim that people are wrong to not have kids.
@@davidz2562 can you point me to the timstamp where he said that? I've listened twice and never heard him tell anyone they were wrong.
I agree , she was a great interviewer…. Jordan made points excellently and fearlessly, he does not shy away from his thoughts… interesting conversation… bravo to both!