Japan Airlines B777-300ER Business Class London to Tokyo (technical problem!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
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One of the best reviews I've ever seen. I appreciate not having to skip through miles of video looking out the window showing detailed views of clouds and dark runways. Especially in First Class, a review is of interest to me when it details the lounges, amenities, seats, food, wine, and especially service. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind comment
I've never seen so many aviation fuel experts in one place!
The refuelling was required because of: -
1). the taxi out and taxi back to the gate would likely have been closer to half an hour all told (rather than just 5 minutes)
2). then the Auxiliary Power Unit ('APU') would have been running for the hour you were at the gate (this would burn more fuel)
3). after the mechanical issue was fixed, the next taxy out to the runway would have burned further fuel, prior to take off
Add all these together, and the crew would likely have been looking at the loss of 3,000+ kg before finally getting off the ground in London.
Now, the heavier an aircraft is, the more fuel it burns, on any given route.
The fuel load adds to the total aircraft weight at take off.
Thus, you can see that: "... it costs fuel to carry fuel ...". Ie the more fuel that's loaded before take off, the more will be burnt en route from London to Tokyo.
Fuel is expensive (it can be 30% of all operating costs), so airlines operate profitably only if they minimise fuel loads (and, thus, fuel burns), as far as possible.
This means loading only as much fuel before push back as is absolutely necessary to ensure a safe flight.
At the flight briefing unit ('FBU'), where the crew first meets up about an hour and a half prior to departure, they are presented with a computer flight plan ('CFP'), which states a computed fuel load.
The CFP fuel load (referred to as: 'flight plan fuel') takes into account the weight of the expected payload (pax + cargo), the filed route, the winds aloft and weather en route, and the distance to the filed alternate airport (in case the weather at the intended destination deteriorates unexpectedly, and a diversion becomes necessary), and any holding which might be needed.
This CFP fuel load must, at minimum, be enough to allow the aircraft to: -
1). to operate from point of departure to destination, plus;
2). make an approach to landing, plus;
3). make a missed approach, and divert to the filed alternate, plus;
4). make an approach to landing at the alternate, plus a missed approach there, too, plus;
5). hold for 30 minutes at 1,500' AAL ('Above Aerodrome Elevation')
.... plus 5% of the total of all the above.
If the Captain of the flight, after discussing the matter with his crew, thinks - in his professional opinion - that more fuel should be loaded over and above flight plan fuel (ie the 'CFP fuel load'), then he has the discretion and authority to do so.
But once that fuel load is decided, it becomes - in the opinion of the Pilot in Command - the minimum fuel to be aboard before the aircraft pushes back from the gate. Once you've pushed back, there's no way to add more fuel before you land at the destination.
As you can see, this minimum fuel is carefully calculated, and is loaded to the nearest litre/kg, even in a huge aircraft like a 777-300ER.
But if you taxy out to the runway, then taxy back to the gate and hold at the gate for an hour, and you're facing another taxy back out to the runway, then you're still looking at being 3,000 kg BELOW what the Captain has decided is the absolute minimum fuel he considers safe for the flight.
The career goal of every professional pilot is simply to retire at the end of a 40 year career. This, in turn, is best achieved, by never ever running out of fuel prior to landing. :)
Besides which, as every pilot will tell you, the three most useless things in the world are: -
a). runway behind you
b). altitude above you
c). fuel in the bowser (instead of the aircraft)
We are incredibly cautious by nature, and just do not take any risks that can be avoided: you may have 400 pax, 21 other crew members (plus yourself!) aboard, and they all deserve your very best professional efforts, and the full benefit of your judgement and experience.
So, you take very very good care of them all.
Plus, one of the tried and true nostrums of aviation is this: there are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are NO old bold pilots.
So, if you're 3,000 kg down on minimum fuel for the flight, you take no chances: you refuel before pushing back from the gate, again.
I'd have done exactly the same thing.
Are you a pilot? :-)
@@luxurytravelexpert Yes, I am.
xetalq Woah.
Thankyou, fantastic explanation.
I'd just assumed they put more fuel in some they fly faster to make up more time. Good to hear from an expert
He cannot be a pilot if he writes "taxy". He cannot be British because he used "alternate" instead of "alternative". @@luxurytravelexpert
The aircraft was refueled because, yeah, you taxied for 5min, but the aux engine, that produce electricity, consume more than a ton per hour, so the captain decided to refuel the plane, and I think he made the right choice.
Tripple 7 mans here and dat providing dat info yeh
Siar Miftari are you high?
@@yellomonky4272 your answer could be as good as mine
after seeing how much better a business class flight is I will never travel economy again. it's clearly worth the extra bucks on a ticket. WOW. thanks for a great video :)
thank you for your great comment :)
the Luxury Travel Expert how late was it in to tokyo
Must be nice to be rich...
I have flown always with both ANA and JAL for the last 28 years and always found their standards very high and consistent. Much better than BA I must say, of which I am sure despite your soft spot for the latter, will surely agree citing this JAL experience!
Omg he's so sweet, he clearly loves his job!!
Well, you said that it was only an indicator light? That is a broad term, probably used to not cause distress. However if an indicator popped up and they had to refuel afterwards, my guess is that the fuel pressure indicator light went off. Which is odd as this is a problem more inherent with the A380 not the B777 in general. They (JAL) would have to refuel because the fuel pressure indicator may be indicative of a fuel leak somewhere on board because as fuel is lost, the smaller amount of fuel is reaching the engines which triggers the warning, so they returned in order to prevent a catastrophe. As they looked to find it, they would refuel so that the fuel/pressure 'lost' can be brought back to par. They are also a Japanese airline which means that the rigidness in Japanese culture would demand this behavior. They like to do everything right, there is no half-assing in Japan. This is why Japanese transportation is known for being on time damn near 100% of the time. So when a light came on they followed protocol to the letter. Don't worry about it though, probably a faulty light from an older plane. No worries.
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you look like 12 in your profile pic but ur brain like 30. thanks for some knowledge.
Lachlan Hall yes button see another reason look at my comment
The fault was most likely nothing to do with fuel. Aircraft do not have fuel pressure indication only fuel flow. The refuel would be as they used their taxi fuel up so needed more so as to not use their reserve fuel in flight/landing therefor landing under minimum arrival fuel with is against regulations.
Yeah that's right as newer planes will have more modern more safer flying technology. Im going on a 757 of TUI from Glasgow to Dalaman (Turkey) next month so it's an old plane but still old planes are nice too
The TUI 757 and 767 are to be replaced after 2020. With the 757 being replaced by 737 Max 10 just incase you guys didn't know
Very nice video again. Thank you for posting. The Business class looked great. Im excited to try their first class on the same flight now.
Thank you! Cannot wait to report on their First Class as well (I flew JAL first before, but unfortunately before I started making flight clips). Safe travels!
Safe travels to you also.
The Concorde at 6:05 has a bit of an interesting history; G-BOAB, or ‘Alpha Bravo’, as she is nicknamed, never returned to service with the rest of BA’s Concorde fleet after the Air France disaster, and so was never modified with the protective measures that the other planes received. After landing at Heathrow in 2000, Alpha Bravo has been there ever since. The plane was going to be a gate guardian for T5, but that idea was scrapped when Emirates got permission to slap a big A380 model in the space the Concorde was going to have. After being periodically moved around Heathrow over the last few years, she’s recently received a well-deserved refurb, and is apparently being used as a cabin trainer for BA’s staff!
In my opinion Japan Airines are better than most others , not talking about only Business class, just the whole experience.
there always needs to be extra fuel. taxiing for 5 minutes takes more fuel than flying for 5 minutes. the extra fuel allows the plane to use a holding pattern if there is a lot of traffic at the airport then.
Excellent trip report. The catering service on JAL has never disappointed me, it's just perfect.
Wow it looked worth taking the flight just for the food. Looked like some of the best in any of your videos. Another fabulous video too so thanks. Keep it up!
You might be overstating things a bit. No matter how amused the bouche is, it is still just microwaved frozen dinners transferred from paper trays to some nice dinner service.
Dukky Drake Thanks captain "state the bleeding obvious" Bear in mind that many fine dining restaurants operate in the same way.
This video just made me realize which airline my dad used back in the late 80's early 90's on his trips to Taiwan. All that remains on the coasters he brought home was the JAL logo.
6:00 The legend
I noted the tidiness of the business class cabin as you departed the plane. I have flown JAL and ANA flights in first and business, and have always been amazed at how tidy/clean the cabin was at the end of the trip, whereas on other airlines, it almost always looks as if a riot occurred in the business or first class cabins during the flight (with blankets, pillows, papers, etc., strewn everywhere). It's a testament to Japanese culture that I not only find fascinating, but also greatly admire.
The JAL man at Heathrow has made what they usually do at Japanese airports.
Great video - I am looking forward to your next one!
Thx. Yes, Japanese hospitality is great and amazing when you visit the country for the first time. My next flight trip report will the return flight on a British Airways B777-300ER (with spectacular Tokyo views after takeoff). I will post it next month (first need to publish some more hotel clips). Safe travels!
I like how you are so excited to take off then the plane turns around with a problem 😂😂
A very impressive trip report. JAL offer a very superior product. The delay before departure may have been slightly irritating, but I would much rather be still on the ground when this happens. Are passengers served through the tiny space between the seat and the aisle? The food looked lovely, made my mouth water. I have flown on the 777 (not with JAL), and I found it to be a wonderful aircraft. Much quieter inside than I thought it would be. Thanks again, I really enjoyed that experience.
Thanks, for the ride along. Your videos are exceptional.
wow, thx for the very kind comment!
Real Luxury Channel Sir
'This might be a problem for obese passengers' hahaha this cracked me up!!!
After the amount of food he ate on the flight I wonder if he had issues when leaving?
I found it quite rude actually
LOOOL savage AF
@@TheTSnell same just because you see an obese person doesn't always mean they have problems everywhere. Im really skinny yet I can feel myself getting a bit obese but I do work out a lot but for a while I just kept eating but yet I was still able to squeeze into tight places like them
Rude huh? What is rude is when some smelly slob plops their blubber into the seat next to me and spills half of it into my face.
Those Japanese meals looks very pleasing. Im a big fan of Japanese cuisine
I like the little narrow corridor to your seat. It makes your suite feel cosy and 'tucked away'.
It's such a luxury to fly in the 777-300ER even if you're flying coach!
Omg I love your channel/videos so good and such good quality and detail!!
If you want to know something about how the amount of fuel is calculated, watch Mentour Pilot or Captain Joe. I guess the only reason they had to refuel after taxiing for 5 minutes was that they made their fuel calculations wrong and one of the pilots (fortunately) noticed it before they took off.
The aircraft was refuled mostly for safety reasons. Had it been say in the European, American, or even in just Russia or China over land.
No fuling would be really necessary. The problem is over water. Delays or weather over water can really burn fuel. Not that they
really would have been in any danger. But, trips over water is a safety challenge all carriers face. And are governed under stricter rules than land travel.
and in case of Japan there’s also the chance of an earthquake closing the runway.
In 2011 lots of airplanes got diverted at the same time that surrounding airports also closed for being full. This caused many oversea planes to declare emergency for low fuel because they had to go through multiple waits and diverts.
Great video! I'm trying JAL (NRT-SYD 77W J) for the first time next week so your brief taste of what to expect has been helpful.
Enjoy your flight! I like your flight clips as well :)
Thanks mate!
Your videos are so cool!! I watch them because I can't afford 1st class and I literally drool over all of the stuff!!!!!!! Thank for sharing the experiences. Lucky you;)
thank you for your kind comment
Nice to see a flight review again. :) I prefer them to the hotel reviews. Keep it up!
Very nice. It all looked top drawer including the staff uniforms. The food looked sensational with the octopus balls seemingly delicious. Yum! Thanks for sharing!
Yes, food was sensational indeed!
I am more than happy to be your “travel companion” any time!!!
You wanted to know why they had to refuel? Airlines must have the fuel on board to cover diverts and holding platens. Hope this helps.
I wonder why the last flight attendant spoke Japanese to you lol
Anyways, thanks for the upload! Took me back to the memory when I last used Japan Airlines back in 2007 on B747-400 when the business class used to be JAL Shell Flat seat
Fuel load is calculated including taxi, flight and in case diversion is required and holding pattern at HND.
Thank you for the detailed review especially in their food and drinks menu as well as their seat function.
Aviation expert here. Refueling is necessary even when the plane engine was running for a short period because there are no gas stations in the sky.
Except for fighter jets, they can refuel in the sky
as soon as their planned reserves for safe flight came below minimums, they were bound to refuel; taxing is expensive (except for flybe since they taxi with one engine on their Q400s)
Your meant to fuel up again because you have a certain amount of taxi fuel and you put that into the fmc so that's set from the plan but in order to have enough fuel to fly the whole way you have to fuel up again so the engines carry working that's why they fueled up again
This is a very nicely made Trip Report on JL44. I will be flying SS7 on the same route this coming Christmas, and I am looking forward to enjoying the ride :D
Enjoy your flight!
Very well filmed and detailed as always! All your videos are great keep it up ;)
Thank you for your nice comment
Very detail , thank.
the reason it needed to receive fuel was because all aircraft need extra fuel in case if a few go arounds just in case and if it was short the little bit of fuel the pilots will have to recalculate the total weight with could take another 15-20 mins
Very incorrect.
BUSINESS LOOKS MORE LIKE 1ST CLASS !! IMPRESSED !!
Wow! Japan Airlines looks awesome :)
The meals looks terrific, hopefully it tastes as good as it looks!
Yes, it was the best food I ever had while flying Business Class
When I flew on JAL business class in 2017 I didn’t get that menu!! I would have chosen caviar. Anyways thanks for the cool video
YelloMonky I plan on going but this year it got messed up because of corona, how was your experience?
Tajemm it was amazing honestly! I think it’s my fault for not looking at the menu close enough. There might have been caviar and I missed it. But japan is still amazing! (I live here btw) and the corona virus isn’t spreading that much anymore. You shouldn’t go until the pandemic is like completely over though as if you go Rn most shops might be closed and you might get looks from the people here. (Most people don’t care but as in most areas, people are wary)
Also, convenience stores are great *But* if you want the best expierience to go to expensive stores that serve high-quality shit. But you can also find really good food (higher quality than convenience stores) at almost every store here in Japan. (minus most of the family restaurants) family owned restaurants are always great.
It is not refueling. It is a fuel redistribution by special pumps in scope weight balance on take on.
In the little world map you did after your opening logo you spelled London "Londen" and my OCD is going wild. LOL!
Londen is the Dutch name of the UK's capital. It's an error that slipped through the net :-)
At 0:07 what did you use to get the line going to different locations because it’s a good travel transition
it also could be the fact that they only took on enough fuel for the flight (common for most aircraft) and they wanted to make sure that they had enough in reserve just incase something where to happen and when they taxied out and back in they used up that reserve and needed to take it back in - from an aircraft mechanic
This is like the lounge from a dystopian future.
thx i've been waiting for a flight video from you
I try to post one flight clip for every 3 to 4 hotel clips
19:25 it's not Tokyo Tower. It's Tokyo skytree.
JAPAN is the best country in the world!
I intend to find out- this fall 2019- cheers!
The reason the plane need's to be refuelled is because the pilot decides how much fuel the airplane need for the ENTIRE flight from taxi on take off until taxi on landing. The pilot figures this out taking into account many conditions including weather distance etc. Also the APU needs to be running from the gate and the APU isn't the most economical piece of equipment as it needs tu supply power for most of the electrical circuits the lights IFE screens etc. as well a the Air Conditioning using APU bleed. The APU is also responsible for starting the main engines.
I think the reason they need to refuel the plane after 5 mins of taxiing is that they need a certain amount of reserve fuel in case of a long wait for takeoff, a go around, or a unavailable gate.
great video as always, keep up the good work !
thank you
Looks great, but your video on Emirates was more impressive!
It will be great if you can make an annual video to update a summary about your experience with different airlines and if any tips to budget travel (luxury travel) with kids!
Thanks for the great effort!
Thx for the suggestion. I will consider it :)
"The Business Window seat is a bit of a squeeze to get into, difficult maybe for obese passengers" classic Luxury Travel Expert thinking for everyone!
Hi mate. Love you're videos but just wondering if in the future you could show more of the seat and less of the landing and takeoff. Either way, I still love you're videos. Keep up the good work
Thank you for your kind comment! I guess you won't like my next clip about a British Airways 777-300ER from Tokyo to London, since it will feature a longer than usual takeoff sequence (I keep the camera rolling because of the spectacular Tokyo views after takeoff)
Love those shoes boy, classy indeed!
Nice video love your editing. I watch you everyday
Thx!
+the Luxury Travel Expert OMG THIS IS THE FIRST TIME A TH-camR WROTE SOMETHING TO ME
thx for writing to me ;)
No probs. I appreciate any comment :)
Cya :D
arigato gozaimasu
Apex suite, used by Gulf Air and Oman Air
Jet engines are extremely inefficient at slow speeds, a lot of fuel is used while taxing around. You probably didn't need to refuel, but they probably wanted to bring your fuel level back up to some safety checkpoint.
outstanding view
How many foods can you get if you travel JAL Business class??? Can you get those foods on board as many as you like??? I thought @each Business PAX can have ONLY 2x meal on Business class same like any other Airlines???
Other than the first meal, you can get can many meals as you like unlike other airlines.
your videos are the best
Japan air Line is lovely too.
great Video...the background instrumental music is awesome...could you specify the name of the track in epidemic sound...keep up the good work
I'm no expert but I am an enthusiast so this is my best guess: It's five minutes less of fuel, so they might not have enough to get to the gate once they arrive.
Very enjoyable. Thanks!
That's quite a steep lift off
@20:50 did her seat crash on landing?
Wonderful!
Just for a recommendation, next time you should try ANA, they have really good food and amazing seats! It's a Japanese airline, thanks! Love your video!
Thank you! I want to try ANA next time I fly to Japan
the Luxury Travel Expert yes, I flew them two times ORD-NRT, They had amazing food and seats. I highly recommend it! :)
Did they use two airbridges at heathrow or just one?
It is because even though it was 5 minutes taxing it uses more fuel then you would think and a engine problem because if you look closely the engine has a red dot flashing
Great video :)
thx
I wonder if the pilots left the engines on or they just added extra to get you to Tokyo faster. Thats what happened to me during a delay.
Plus added fuel burn at the gate with APU running. Long haul flight like that every ounce counts
I'm no aviation expert but I think fuel was topped up because it needs extra to taxi and that was lost taxing from the gate and then back to it
So really it was to allow the plane to taxi
Thats not exactly the reason the engine burned of most of the fuel while waiting for the problem
I'm sure they would've switched the engines off but thanks anyway a
Thats a part of it not all of it, Not enough burned to matter, though because it is a long haul, the more the better right?
great video alsl
Wow, that Heathrow lounge needs an update. Can you regulate banners?? It's annoying to click them off. Especially in full screen. But well done, as usual.
Bob Boberson Well, that is the British Airways Galleries Lounge. There are much better lounges. For Example the Virgin Clubhouse in T3 (best lounge ever)
I believe that the pilots had the wrong fuel setting which meant the aircraft had a greater fuel consumption than it is supposed to.
The reason the plane had to refuel was because checking the plane for problems may set the plane on fire with fuel in it so before the checks started all fuel was removed
did my guy deadass say "this may be a problem for obese passengers"? 😂😂💀💀
All of Mississippi: "Whoa!"
Those PE90 Engine
GE90.
typo*** was in a rush while typing and running!
Refuel was to fulfill the amount of fuel that was used during the taxi so they wont get short on fuel.
Do you feel that you lack storage space on that seat? ANA may have less "advanced" seats but they're less clusterphobic and provides more space "overall"
i assume they only replaced the fuel that was used to taxi out to the runway and back to the gate to make sure they had the correct weight they originally had and to ensure they had enough fuel for the journey as they would have used the same amount of fuel again taxiing back to the runway and that could have left the aircraft short of fuel
What a great variety of foods that u had. May I ask? Did you really have those all? If so then Thats a lot of food.. A perfectly spent airline ticket.. love it
I was very hungry, so yes, I ate all of it :-)
I lived in Holland for six years (and I speak Dutch) but have never flown KLM or Air France for that matter. Could you do a KLM flight? Would be really interesting!
Een (business class) vlucht op KLM staat hoog op mijn verlanglijstje. Als ik met hen vlieg, dan maak ik een clip :).
Dank u voor de update , is het waar dat KLM en Air France zijn nu hetzelfde bedrijf ?
Ik heb een maand geleden een vlucht van Heathrow naar Texas genomen, maar we hadden 4en een half uur vertraging. We hebben uiteindelijk als vergoeding €600- per persoon teruggekregen! Nu is mijn vraag: heb jij dit ook weleens gehad?
Ja, ik heb dit ook ooit eens gehad bij een vlucht van Seattle naar London. Ik heb naar aanleiding hiervan een artikel op mijn blog gepost omtrent je rechten als passagier bij een vertraging: wp.me/p4d1XU-1oM
It said Londen and Tokio on the map lol
Which one ?
Noticed that, too.
Yes, I noticed that too late. My native language is Dutch, and sometimes it escapes my attention that my computer software (including Imovies) automatically corrects English terms/names in their Dutch counterparts.
+the Luxury Travel Expert Your english is perfect!
7:33 the fuel ist rated very short, because of wight. If you realized, (as a pilot) your fuel is runnig out five minutes before you reach the target, you will have a masive problem... :-)
Do you get to keep the case(s) that store the toiletry items? Just curious.
Yes :-)