Grof does not say to breathe "as hard as you can". You breathe deep and with no pause. But not as hard as possible. And you can back off if you need a rest or it gets too intense. The music is not as he describes - it starts with driving tribal music with loud drums etc and then becomes more surging and triumphant and finally at the end it is peaceful to allow people to return to earth. When people have done it a few times they are able to access the state without needing to breathe much if at all. The duration varies from 2-3 hours usually. It is fantastic. I have seen things you people would not believe.
i practice other sorts of thigns and i have seen or experienced or caused things that are not possible in the current paradigm of understanding the world from a western POV. so, please go on, tell us.. this comment section is filled with people like us, so share!
My first experience with it was profound. Life changing. Took my about 7 minutes to start the experiencing and I feel so much better about myself and am so much happier and more compassionate than I've ever been.
I do this for just 10 mins every day and it is the most clear headed I feel all day. You don't need to "get high" from it to benefit. Highly recommend holotropic breathwork!
I put on a kimono, light some candles, put on some Adele then I lift my legs up high over my head I breath in deeply and blow right onto my penis. Super powerful, spiritual experience 🙏 ✨ 🙌
You joke about this, but I recently started (about 2 months ago) doing a portion of my runs with a mouthful of water to force myself to breath through my nose and the fucking euphoria at the end of the run is crazy sometimes. James is talking sense people.
@@splumpy8469 done it for hour or two. Peace,vigor/strength,clarity of mind are all after effects. During is very peaceful the most spiritual experience I've had so far was while also doing heat shock and cold shock from 96ish in hot tub water to about 30f back in forth about 7 times each time doing another round of breathing which is 3 to 5 rounds of the Wim Hoff method.. was equal to a mid dose mushroom dose or a very very hg8h dose of edible cannabis.. I saw some alien like faces and finally a lion appeared swiping its claw at me not in a viscous manner though was very interesting.. I had some other feeling arise about the importance of family and some other personal things. Definitely a powerful tool for health and spirituality/mentally.
Holotropic breathwork can absolutely be a profound experience and life changing. You have to go into each session with no expectation as every session is different. He’s only ever taken it one time, and every experience is unique. I
From my earlier life. I've done it and I've guided it. Music, calming mantra type to begin and intensify the chanting, drums, flute, chanting, then calming tones to "come down". Breathing deep inhale, deep exhale, only over a period of an hour. People claimed both visual and emotional experiences. When it was real for me, it was. I spent time exploring it all. A lot of people are searching. My take away, over a decade away from it all? Whatever helps you experience yourself as more, AND allows you to walk the earth able to participate in life, (Jack Kornfields book, "After the Ecstacy, the Laundry,") can enhance your day to day existence. We are here, however, to live life on life's terms. Not in a cave, not locked in silent meditation, not some version of ourselves to prove our spiritual worth. That's my 2 cents.
I haven't been there for thirty years at which time I was involved for a couple of years. It was an enormous help to my life then and in coping with some very difficult years to follow. I began to see it as a kind of cult, took what I wanted from it and got out. Some others stayed and never actually seemed to go back into the real world. Pleasant, for sure, but not what we are here for...
@@tonydawson2670 I recall my final break from it when the people I was involved with in it started to question my words and choices because... after all I was "highly spiritual" My next choice was to enter a Texas Hold'em tournament with my husband, Crack a beer and light up a smoke. I was a terrible card player and didn't much like beer, but it all kind of welcomed me back to earth... lol
James Nestor's work is amazing. I have been doing the taped mouth while sleeping for a year or so and feel so much better when waking. No more blocked nasal passages. Thank you JRE.
@@MsLaurenPanda Have look at James Nestors videos on ytube, you only use a bit of tape the size of a postage stamp. I forgot to do it last night, and my nose is blocked this morning !
One of the biggest reasons why meditation and psychedelics are so similar, is because psychedelics thrust you into the present moment in the same way meditation does. If you've never meditated properly you might not know why that's significant - the state (felt experience) of meditation is one where the chaos of your mind has been temporarily overcome. The "present" is a tangible lived in state, not just an idea. That state of being is part of the psychedelic experience.
They both can be for sure. I'd say in most cases though its less an out of body experience, and more an out of mind experience. You feel more in your body because your general awareness and inner consciousness has increased...but your mind, or what we recognise as our mind, the chaos has subsided...so you experience a different mind state. Psychedelics basically meditate for you.
@@gitsurfer27 this topic has long been fascinating to me. True groundedness, which I don't think of as happening in the thought space but body sensation space, can also alter the mind automatically. Not only are you "out of mind", but it seems also mind organizing. I've never really done psychedelics or meditation work, but those experiences described seem to have a lot of overlap to dissociative processes.
@@nicholasbogosian5420 Yes it is letting go and obtain far greater control simultaneously, paradoxical in nature, as most bigger things seem to be when you boil them down. Although there's nothing dissociative about it, the only thing you dissociate from is your perceived identity...which is mainly mind stuff. Its more an aerial view than it is anything to do with "losing your mind" or any such propaganda driven ideas. But like with dreams, you wouldn't expect to be able to describe the experience with the language we have at hand, and expect to be understood fully by the listener...the dream was a felt experience, something you had to be there for to understand what it was like, nothing that could ever be put to words. I think you're ready to try having an experience of your own, see this as the voice of the universe egging you on.
@@nicholasbogosian5420Vipassana meditation, that which was from the Buddha, is extremely focused on the most subtle sensations of the body. Incidentally, the first stage of learning Vipassana is "anapana" meditation, which is a specific way of focusing on the breath and the feeling only around the outside of the nostrils and upper lip. This is to train the mind to focus only on that one tiny area. When all your attention is on one tiny area, it gets laser focused. But there a many, many types of meditation for different reasons and intentions.
Pranayama is an ancient yogic practice which is not limited to breathing.Breathing is just a medium to be aware of and ultimately control your life force( prana) . It is said that yogis who did this for a long long time had supernatural powers and even conquered death.
Win Hof breathing is a life saver. I'm working to have it be a regular part of my day (it's intense and can feel intimidating) but it has especially been useful prior to events that I know might trigger a panic attack ie big meetings, dentist appointments, etc. It's calmed me down and left me feeling level headed and confident. Very grateful to the people who have brought this into the mainstream.
I did a dmt breathing technique that was about 20 minutes long, my body got this vibrating sensation and my fingers curled almost uncontrollable, it felt as if my hands were being forced closed and lifted away from my body, my hands literally started to elevate against my will it was honestly crazy I didn't hallucinate or anything but I had a physical reaction to this technique ngl, at the end I was able to not breath for 3 and a half minutes, normally I can hold my breath for no longer than 40 seconds
The uncontrollable muscle contractions in the extremities is hyperventilation tetany, which results from blood CO2 from dropping too low. This can be avoided by focusing only on full inhalations but not forcing the exhalations, just letting go. I'm just a random guy online, but you can verify the info. Best wishes to you.
The same thing happened to me during a reiki class, we just finished rigorous breath work and I was lying down. I couldn't believe what was happening to me - I was disappointed that my instructor didn't know what was happening to me, she just kneeled next to me and stroked my arm until it passed.
Highly relatable. Once I hit abt my 3rd session(3rd breath hold) on wymhoff method, I berly hold my breath for a min normally for one. I reached 3:42 second b4 tho, actually blew my mind couldn't kmagine doing that normally and it's all natural. Plus the hand closing is from basically suffocation m, guy above said it better, also experienced but from wymhoff method. My fingers curled all the way in then my wrist started to curl in it was so odd and unresistable without ruining the breath work not that I rlly tried to resist. But I also experience like such a strong idk sharp or burning feeling in the tip of my nose that'll spread throughout my dance, I wanna say relatable to the hand feeling but idk. Kinda scary and never fully went through cuase by then I'm literally struggling to hold no breath any longer and don't wanna pass out or sum😅
I got up to 6.5 minutes using david blaines breathing technique. My arms and fingers don't curl up tho, they become straight and hard to move. The tingling is the part I hate the most, makes it almost unbearable at times.
I have. Really changes your perspective as you look at green trees and feel the breeze. Or maybe you’re just glad to be not breathing so hard anymore and that relaxes you.
I did the Stan Groff holotropic breathwork workshop weekends twice and I totally tripped! It was like an entheogenic experience without the come down. I highly recommend
There are two things that breathing does. Not only does it take in O2 but it also releases CO2. Breathing quickly like that lowers your CO2 pretty quickly. You can have a respiratory alkalosis which is a Ph imbalance in your blood and that DOES affect people neurological. This is old info.
Wim Hoff technique for breathing, for me, is like creating a wave in your torso. This happens by breathing deep, and slowly into your stomach, then lungs, then fill the sinus. Slowly controlling your out breath. Then an icy cold shower to start your day. Those showers will teach you how to breath really fast!
The book is great. I've been doing Hoff for a long while. Amazing to be able to hold breath for 3minutes and to have that sense of calm. Hoff mixed with tolle teachings and you can't go wrong inwardly.
Just doing a few minutes of it - not fast, controlled abdominal, longer out-breath. Puts me in a chilled out zone for a good 2hrs with heart rate down to 44bpm
I’ve done holotropic breath works before with supposedly the most renowned company that specializes in holotropic breath works. The way he showed joe how to do the breathing was very wrong and you don’t just breath crazy however you want. I’m pretty dang sure that dude was at a bunk companies workshop. I did this almost 10 years ago and we practiced the correct breathing technique for 2 days before the actual event and it was for an hour and a half. Everyone who was doing the proper breathing technique literally passed out around 45 minutes to an hour. I had also practiced mindful breathing meditations multiple times a day for almost Three months before doing the workshop. The reason that guy didn’t feel anything was because he wasn’t doing it properly. Me and all the other people that did it were so extremely physically and mentally exhausted that we slept almost the whole next 2 or three days only getting up to eat huge meals and pass back out. I had never been so damn sore and tired and so god damn hungry in my whole entire life all because of doing the holotropic breath works. And when I did it I had a pretty damn profound experience where I went through every emotion feeling them in the most extreme way and relives every event In my life attached to those emotions. It was Intense. Someone in my group had started crying nonstop and rocking back and forth in the fetal position. One person said they felt nothing and he had passed out after about 15-20 minutes of half ass breathing and then his breathing turned into an almost perfect technique and very intense and he was rocking back and forth kind of moaning weirdly for another 30 minutes, he didn’t remember anything. Shit is crazy just find a good School that doesn’t say just breath hella heavy how ever you want.
What you described doesn't say anything really. People rocking back and forth can be interpreted in many ways... Sounds like your body was in extreme exhaustion if you had to sleep and eat for 2/3 days after - seems like it was just intense fight+flight followed by intense rest/recover.
im tried the wim hof method where you do deep breathing in harder than you breath out 40x and then hold your breath for as long as you can. Even that feels excessive and exhausting and I don't feel anything but a little light headedness. It usually takes a little less than 5 minutes I believe. I need to do it next time for 10-15 minutes.
The fact that Joe for a moment thought that a guy turned into an actual wolf as a result of holotropic breathing makes me love him so much more lol 😆😆😆
Clinically holotropic is very healing and much removal of symptoms occurs whether you have elucidated the science or not. Statistically patients get better . It is unfair to put this down simply because you haven't figured the mechanism of action ! Holotropic is clinically very very valuable and effective
Realize the difference between deep breathing and hyperventilation. You can breathe deeply but if you breathe too much you are hyperventilating. Deep, slow breathing is good for you. It is how a healthy person breaths, and they also breath from their belly not from their chest. Holotropics is a controlled hyperventilation and hyperventilating for 3 hours is pretty much not good for you. But it can alter your consciousness for sure. The way it works is from reducing oxygen in your brain. At least that is what you can gather from the studies done on hyperventilation. But its pretty much unknown what really happens during holotropics. Reduced oxygen happens but over 3 hours your body would have plenty time to react to this so we might not know until james nestor does his study about it
The Holotropic as presented sounds weird. Hyperventilating is a studied phenomena that seems to be a relative of these techniques. As a runner and a cyclist I practice what I call conscious breathing which is simply just paying attention. I practice drawing stronger even full breaths. The rhythm of breathing is extremely important. Paying attention helps me tremendously. Also I have noticed that running outside away from traffic and noise in relative seclusion is extremely beneficial.
Not sure what he did but his description of holotropic ceremony is fairly different from my experience. Ive done several ceremonies with different groups and they definitely did not say “breathe however you want”. There is a clearly laid out technique to optimize the experience. There was great tribal music that takes you on a journey but if you tend to judge tribal music from other cultures as “woohoo” then you will miss out. Sounds like he got new age keyboard sounds which would be a bummer. Also the leadership checked in with people in various ways which deepened the effects a great deal.
I like how he actually acknowledges that the guy might have turn into a wolf even though it sounds to ridiculous, because that's the scientific method, lots of explanations are possible until we figure out what is actually happening
The wolf story reminds of a book called Wild Animus about a guy who thinks he becomes a mountain goat and jumps into a volcano. This random hippy lady gave it to me at Warped Tour in Bozeman when I was in high school
Holotropic breathing sounds just like hyperventilating and all of the woozy mindfuck that comes with it. Try meditating to the point where you're breathing so shallow it almost feels like you stopped breathing. I did that once and it felt like floating in a sensory deprivation chamber. LIKE FLOATING INSIDE THE WOMB. Everything is numb, but it's not scary numb. The literal meaning of PEACE and TRANQUILITY. Never been able to do it again though. But when i did it I timed it, and when I got out of it it was 45mins later, but it felt like forever.
bro I've done that a few times but it scared me because I likened it to being actually dead as I almost or pretty much didn't feel anything in my body happening I wondered if I actually died and didn't like it so I stopped haha I meditated just now actually so I still do but those deep experiences can be seriously weird
@@vvelvettearss this is when you should look into affirmations, mantras and even visualization! They say it’s easier to accomplish tasks and make your reality blossom once you reach alpha brain wave state and imply those actions
I have done this many times when I was a teenager. My pupils would swell to all black, my body hair would stand up, I would salivate profusely, I could roar, adrenaline would kick in, I could run around on all fours and do hand stands. Shits real. The police were sure that I was on drugs and had to run blood tests. No drugs. I loved it and miss it. But I'm an adult now and I'm trying my best to be normal.
I have a feeling James said that coz he indeed haven’t tried psychedelics/haven’t experienced any profound altered states while on psychedelics so he didn’t want to lie
I might believe the guy really felt like he was a wolf because one time when I was younger I had a huge solo shroom experience and part of that experience I felt like I actually became a dinosaur, very hard to explain but if you've had something similar happen you kinda know how those experiences go...
That is a very interesting experience. While I was hospitalized during my delivery, I hallucinated. I have always been curious about the physiological explanation for what happened...
I have no idea but maybe look up the book Spiritual Emergency by Stan Grof. His wife had a profound Spiritual experience around the time of giving birth.
Breathing deeply and quickly (Wim Hoff) decreases circulatory CO2 by breathing out CO2 from the lungs. This causes a state of alkalosis and alkalemia. Alkalemia (elevated blood pH) generally has a vasodilatory effect on blood vessels in the human body. Specifically: 1. Alkalosis causes vasodilation, especially in the pulmonary circulation. Studies have shown that acute alkalosis induces pulmonary vasodilation 2. In the systemic circulation, alkalosis tends to cause vasodilation as well, though the effects can vary depending on the specific vascular bed 3. The vasodilatory effect of alkalosis is often mediated through nitric oxide (NO) signaling pathways in the vascular endothelium 4. Alkalosis-induced vasodilation appears to be more pronounced in arteries compared to veins 5. The vasodilatory response to alkalosis can differ between species and vascular beds. For example, some studies found NO mediates alkalosis-induced dilation in piglet pulmonary vessels but not in rabbit or rat lungs It's worth noting that while the acute effect of alkalemia is generally vasodilatory, prolonged or severe alkalosis can have more complex effects on the vasculature and may impair the normal regulation of vascular tone Additionally, the body has compensatory mechanisms that can modify the vascular response to chronic pH changes. However, in most acute situations, alkalemia promotes vasodilation rather than vasoconstriction. Alkalosis causes vasoconstriction in the brain, reducing blood flow, causing dizziness and euphoria
Since they brought up death metal, I want to say the idea is not as absurd as it sounds. I've induced some pretty intense states of mind while listening to death metal and working out. Particularly with running, where the intensity of the music allowed me to push beyond what my normal limits would be, and enter into an altered mind state. They're talking about breathing, I was at the point where I am breathing so hard I thought I was going to vomit, and then pass out from not being able to breathe or get enough air in. I dont do it often anddo not recommend it to anyone, its probably not safe, but I definetly related to that part of the discussion. Bands like Behemoth, Nile, and especially Gojira have helped get me there. Le Enfant Savage album in particular with songs like Pain is the Master, The Gift of Guilt, etc. The album is a work of art, and a powerful tool for me. I can't listen to it and not work out hard. It drives you. I can't imagine how that would work sitting down and trying to breathe as hard as you can, but the idea of using death metal and breathwork to access altered states is something I've experienced. Doesnt take 3 hours either, I'm talking running 1-2 miles as fast as you possibly can. That was all I needed, but I am not a marathon runner, I was a sprinter did 100 meter in HS. So for me 2 miles is alot, but I think the key is max BPM in the music and in your heart for just slightly longer than your comfort zone dictates. Thats where the death metal helps. It just empowers you and helps induce and transcendant state of mind.
Back in the 80s they called this rebirthing. I was able to not breathe for a couple minutes, but I've seen people go six or seven minutes without breathing. It's pretty trippy. I witnessed many emotional releases. We didn't do it with obnoxious loud music though.
You get into hard-core yoga and you'll have meditation experiences that are way beyond any drug or Yada Yada. It's all within your inner realm which is the inner realm of all people... that leads to the Self .... which is God. Been there done that. Way beyond amazing.
"What kind of music was it?" "That's something i wish they could've worked on a little bit.." "Death metal?" ".I wish.." This conversation is friggin hilarious 🤣🤣
I just did three sets of breathing and all of my senses are so much more powerful, my mood is improved, my body feels great... I've done these breathing exercises several times but I don't know why I keep doing it for a day or even a week but not keeping it up
James Nestor is somewhat talking from his behind in this. Stan Grof wasn't "one of the first test subjects of LSD"; he was a young psychiatry student doing research on subjects taking LSD. You can learn actual information by watching his documentary "The Way of the Psychonaut", reading his book titled the same, or go to the training Grof Transpersonal Training or Grof Legacy Training.
Yep that's why I say demon slayer has one of the best and realistic power system so basically the in human things do is kinda possible to an extent as compare to others power system just one thing that demon slayer breathing is not good at they breath from their sometimes cause to look cool I mean breathing from nose in anime gonna look stupid
Guyz plz appreciate hinduism and ancient yogis who found this breathing technique.... give credit where its due. They named the energy following through ur body n universe as 'Prana' hence named it pranayama, the way to control it
My fav kind where you actually feel like you're running down a beach and go back in time where you're surrounded by slow motion blondes like Pam Anderson is the HasselHOFF method.
How dare this man
How dare he bring up DMT before joe can
Tis Not FAIR
lmao
LMAO
Lol you come into MY HOUSE
the fact he did that disgusts me lmao…how dare you disrespect Joe like dat. BLACKBALL HIM😎😂
I wonder if that's why my dogs are always so happy. They breathe like that all the time.
Ahaha great observation
Mans best friend
Grof does not say to breathe "as hard as you can". You breathe deep and with no pause. But not as hard as possible. And you can back off if you need a rest or it gets too intense.
The music is not as he describes - it starts with driving tribal music with loud drums etc and then becomes more surging and triumphant and finally at the end it is peaceful to allow people to return to earth.
When people have done it a few times they are able to access the state without needing to breathe much if at all.
The duration varies from 2-3 hours usually.
It is fantastic.
I have seen things you people would not believe.
Maybe we will believe. Please do share.
What did you see?
i practice other sorts of thigns and i have seen or experienced or caused things that are not possible in the current paradigm of understanding the world from a western POV.
so, please go on, tell us.. this comment section is filled with people like us, so share!
My first experience with it was profound. Life changing. Took my about 7 minutes to start the experiencing and I feel so much better about myself and am so much happier and more compassionate than I've ever been.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I do this for just 10 mins every day and it is the most clear headed I feel all day. You don't need to "get high" from it to benefit. Highly recommend holotropic breathwork!
Where can I learn?
Austin Green where can I learn?
It’s great mid day as well for a reset.
I put on a kimono, light some candles, put on some Adele then I lift my legs up high over my head I breath in deeply and blow right onto my penis. Super powerful, spiritual experience 🙏 ✨ 🙌
@@majingamer6109 even if this was real and truly revolutionary, no one would care.....because its you
When you have no money for drugs just start breathing
I'm Dead 😂😭🤣
You joke about this, but I recently started (about 2 months ago) doing a portion of my runs with a mouthful of water to force myself to breath through my nose and the fucking euphoria at the end of the run is crazy sometimes. James is talking sense people.
or press your eyes in and trip lol
@@saturatedneowax nah, that hurts you. Do not do that, please. Bruising of the eyes would hurt....
LUL hahahaha
joes going home and having a breathing marathon
Lmao me
Mr. ThiccDicc tell me what happens
@@splumpy8469 done it for hour or two. Peace,vigor/strength,clarity of mind are all after effects. During is very peaceful the most spiritual experience I've had so far was while also doing heat shock and cold shock from 96ish in hot tub water to about 30f back in forth about 7 times each time doing another round of breathing which is 3 to 5 rounds of the Wim Hoff method.. was equal to a mid dose mushroom dose or a very very hg8h dose of edible cannabis.. I saw some alien like faces and finally a lion appeared swiping its claw at me not in a viscous manner though was very interesting.. I had some other feeling arise about the importance of family and some other personal things. Definitely a powerful tool for health and spirituality/mentally.
Free DMT
@@myceilauniverse9096 wait what? You can hallucinate from edibles?
Holotropic breathwork can absolutely be a profound experience and life changing. You have to go into each session with no expectation as every session is different. He’s only ever taken it one time, and every experience is unique. I
He did it exactly once and he feels qualified to speak about it publicly. Interesting.
From my earlier life. I've done it and I've guided it. Music, calming mantra type to begin and intensify the chanting, drums, flute, chanting, then calming tones to "come down". Breathing deep inhale, deep exhale, only over a period of an hour. People claimed both visual and emotional experiences. When it was real for me, it was. I spent time exploring it all. A lot of people are searching. My take away, over a decade away from it all? Whatever helps you experience yourself as more, AND allows you to walk the earth able to participate in life, (Jack Kornfields book, "After the Ecstacy, the Laundry,") can enhance your day to day existence. We are here, however, to live life on life's terms. Not in a cave, not locked in silent meditation, not some version of ourselves to prove our spiritual worth. That's my 2 cents.
Cool. I love the title of the book.
I haven't been there for thirty years at which time I was involved for a couple of years. It was an enormous help to my life then and in coping with some very difficult years to follow. I began to see it as a kind of cult, took what I wanted from it and got out. Some others stayed and never actually seemed to go back into the real world. Pleasant, for sure, but not what we are here for...
@@tonydawson2670 I recall my final break from it when the people I was involved with in it started to question my words and choices because... after all I was "highly spiritual" My next choice was to enter a Texas Hold'em tournament with my husband, Crack a beer and light up a smoke. I was a terrible card player and didn't much like beer, but it all kind of welcomed me back to earth... lol
James Nestor's work is amazing. I have been doing the taped mouth while sleeping for a year or so and feel so much better when waking. No more blocked nasal passages. Thank you JRE.
What??? Is this a thing? I wish I could sleep with my mouth closed all night... But tape would cause me a breakout after 2-3 days of use. Hmm!
@@MsLaurenPanda Have look at James Nestors videos on ytube, you only use a bit of tape the size of a postage stamp. I forgot to do it last night, and my nose is blocked this morning !
One of the biggest reasons why meditation and psychedelics are so similar, is because psychedelics thrust you into the present moment in the same way meditation does. If you've never meditated properly you might not know why that's significant - the state (felt experience) of meditation is one where the chaos of your mind has been temporarily overcome. The "present" is a tangible lived in state, not just an idea. That state of being is part of the psychedelic experience.
Aren't psychedelics kind of "out of body"? Meditation also seems a bit out of body in that you're focusing so much on thoughts...
They both can be for sure. I'd say in most cases though its less an out of body experience, and more an out of mind experience. You feel more in your body because your general awareness and inner consciousness has increased...but your mind, or what we recognise as our mind, the chaos has subsided...so you experience a different mind state. Psychedelics basically meditate for you.
@@gitsurfer27 this topic has long been fascinating to me. True groundedness, which I don't think of as happening in the thought space but body sensation space, can also alter the mind automatically. Not only are you "out of mind", but it seems also mind organizing. I've never really done psychedelics or meditation work, but those experiences described seem to have a lot of overlap to dissociative processes.
@@nicholasbogosian5420 Yes it is letting go and obtain far greater control simultaneously, paradoxical in nature, as most bigger things seem to be when you boil them down. Although there's nothing dissociative about it, the only thing you dissociate from is your perceived identity...which is mainly mind stuff. Its more an aerial view than it is anything to do with "losing your mind" or any such propaganda driven ideas. But like with dreams, you wouldn't expect to be able to describe the experience with the language we have at hand, and expect to be understood fully by the listener...the dream was a felt experience, something you had to be there for to understand what it was like, nothing that could ever be put to words. I think you're ready to try having an experience of your own, see this as the voice of the universe egging you on.
@@nicholasbogosian5420Vipassana meditation, that which was from the Buddha, is extremely focused on the most subtle sensations of the body. Incidentally, the first stage of learning Vipassana is "anapana" meditation, which is a specific way of focusing on the breath and the feeling only around the outside of the nostrils and upper lip. This is to train the mind to focus only on that one tiny area. When all your attention is on one tiny area, it gets laser focused. But there a many, many types of meditation for different reasons and intentions.
Pranayama is an ancient yogic practice which is not limited to breathing.Breathing is just a medium to be aware of and ultimately control your life force( prana) .
It is said that yogis who did this for a long long time had supernatural powers and even conquered death.
Why aren't they still around then
The title makes it sound like he is crazy about this holotropic shit. He seems really level headed
Ikr I totally agree
James Nestor reminds me of the "This is fine...." meme with his ultra calm disposition.
The thumbnail brought me here. Interspersing info!
Breathbender: He inhabited the body of a wolf
Joe: maybe he just was an asshole 😂🤣😂
Look into it Joe!
People who identify with wolves a lot usually seem to be assholes
It's entirley possible, Can confirm.
Or maybe just a furry?
@@My600lbStrife he was probably trying to embody the wolf on Wall Street but it backfired
Win Hof breathing is a life saver. I'm working to have it be a regular part of my day (it's intense and can feel intimidating) but it has especially been useful prior to events that I know might trigger a panic attack ie big meetings, dentist appointments, etc. It's calmed me down and left me feeling level headed and confident. Very grateful to the people who have brought this into the mainstream.
Agreed. Every morning and every night. Helped me a ton
I use it in the afternoon for a new energy boost. I can’t believe i consider trying it until last week!
absolutely, been doing it every day for the past year, can't go a day without
When you run out of things to talk about:
*SO BREATHING, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?*
I'd rather hear about breathing than another grappling technique convo 😁....it's interesting stuff
Actually been wanting to learn more about breathing
@Andre Guitard Listen up and do some research on breathing. Or don't your choice.
😂😂😂😂😂
if you have Instagram look into @devon_the_black_airbender
I’ve been thru one of these classes. Simply mind blowing.
Holotropic Breathing Class sounds like one of those electives you can take for Modern Dance Therapy degrees
@@retiredtanker8615 I thank you
anyone notice how joe avoided saying dmt and said psychedelics cuz he knows we'll all bully him lol
😂 bro I’ve been on the search for dmt because of joe and I have yet to find it. This angers me lol
@@breadgame62 if you don't mind me asking where do you live?
@Blindi LAPD, nice!
Blindi lmfaoo its some apartment building in la 😭
straigHt white mailer demon LA area
I literally found out about holotropic breathing today and now this video appears in my TH-cam feed. Okay.
Bro wtf we are screwed
You subscribed?
Cookies my man
"He was scratching his crotch a lil bit, and growling, and it got... it got interesting
😂
I feel this guy is easily amused and gullible.
@@frankstadelman4483 check his book
I did a dmt breathing technique that was about 20 minutes long, my body got this vibrating sensation and my fingers curled almost uncontrollable, it felt as if my hands were being forced closed and lifted away from my body, my hands literally started to elevate against my will it was honestly crazy I didn't hallucinate or anything but I had a physical reaction to this technique ngl, at the end I was able to not breath for 3 and a half minutes, normally I can hold my breath for no longer than 40 seconds
The uncontrollable muscle contractions in the extremities is hyperventilation tetany, which results from blood CO2 from dropping too low.
This can be avoided by focusing only on full inhalations but not forcing the exhalations, just letting go.
I'm just a random guy online, but you can verify the info.
Best wishes to you.
The same thing happened to me during a reiki class, we just finished rigorous breath work and I was lying down. I couldn't believe what was happening to me - I was disappointed that my instructor didn't know what was happening to me, she just kneeled next to me and stroked my arm until it passed.
Highly relatable. Once I hit abt my 3rd session(3rd breath hold) on wymhoff method, I berly hold my breath for a min normally for one. I reached 3:42 second b4 tho, actually blew my mind couldn't kmagine doing that normally and it's all natural. Plus the hand closing is from basically suffocation m, guy above said it better, also experienced but from wymhoff method. My fingers curled all the way in then my wrist started to curl in it was so odd and unresistable without ruining the breath work not that I rlly tried to resist. But I also experience like such a strong idk sharp or burning feeling in the tip of my nose that'll spread throughout my dance, I wanna say relatable to the hand feeling but idk. Kinda scary and never fully went through cuase by then I'm literally struggling to hold no breath any longer and don't wanna pass out or sum😅
Welcome to hyperventilating lol
I got up to 6.5 minutes using david blaines breathing technique. My arms and fingers don't curl up tho, they become straight and hard to move. The tingling is the part I hate the most, makes it almost unbearable at times.
I can imagine that someone may feel as if they're in a psychedelic state. Have you ever tried to blow up a pool float with your mouth and got dizzy?
I have.
Really changes your perspective as you look at green trees and feel the breeze. Or maybe you’re just glad to be not breathing so hard anymore and that relaxes you.
@@B10401 imagine blowing up a pool float on lake powell arizona. no trees and no breeze
@@PhaseSkater yep
Can you imagine 3 hours of that shit?
How big do they make inflatable pools?!?
I did the Stan Groff holotropic breathwork workshop weekends twice and I totally tripped! It was like an entheogenic experience without the come down. I highly recommend
How
Sounds dangerous
Guy in breathing class identifies as a wolf.
James Nestor: "He was from San Fransisco."
Suddenly it makes sense.
Fuck yeah San Franpsico fuck yeah
There are two things that breathing does. Not only does it take in O2 but it also releases CO2. Breathing quickly like that lowers your CO2 pretty quickly. You can have a respiratory alkalosis which is a Ph imbalance in your blood and that DOES affect people neurological. This is old info.
Very respectful of him looking for mamas feelings. Good man
That was the cutest thing: “my moms watching”
He just went to college 😂
Wim Hoff technique for breathing, for me, is like creating a wave in your torso. This happens by breathing deep, and slowly into your stomach, then lungs, then fill the sinus. Slowly controlling your out breath. Then an icy cold shower to start your day. Those showers will teach you how to breath really fast!
For the most part you’re just visualizing your breathing right? It doesn’t slowly go into your stomach?
"i would love to see them play death metal for 3hrs" Joe Rogan out here trying to send those poor souls to Gehenna.
Rewatching this podcast after reading James’s book reinforces how beneficial and amazing breathe-work is! Credit to James for sharing his journalism.
I'm very proud of Jim. Known him since kindergarten. His growth is astounding.
I love how when joe asks how long it took to recover, pretty quick you know had a beer in my car and I was good. such a good answer
🤣🤣🤣
Thats my hero
He went back in his car after the trip to drink a beer lol.
Very good idea lol
😂
The book is great. I've been doing Hoff for a long while. Amazing to be able to hold breath for 3minutes and to have that sense of calm. Hoff mixed with tolle teachings and you can't go wrong inwardly.
Just doing a few minutes of it - not fast, controlled abdominal, longer out-breath. Puts me in a chilled out zone for a good 2hrs with heart rate down to 44bpm
Ive had a DMT like experience with breathwork. It's possible. Youve gotta be committed to the process and don't be afraid.
He's the Wolfman's brother.
That’s a song by a jam band isn’t it? Phish or some such garbage
I’ve done holotropic breath works before with supposedly the most renowned company that specializes in holotropic breath works. The way he showed joe how to do the breathing was very wrong and you don’t just breath crazy however you want. I’m pretty dang sure that dude was at a bunk companies workshop. I did this almost 10 years ago and we practiced the correct breathing technique for 2 days before the actual event and it was for an hour and a half. Everyone who was doing the proper breathing technique literally passed out around 45 minutes to an hour. I had also practiced mindful breathing meditations multiple times a day for almost Three months before doing the workshop. The reason that guy didn’t feel anything was because he wasn’t doing it properly. Me and all the other people that did it were so extremely physically and mentally exhausted that we slept almost the whole next 2 or three days only getting up to eat huge meals and pass back out. I had never been so damn sore and tired and so god damn hungry in my whole entire life all because of doing the holotropic breath works. And when I did it I had a pretty damn profound experience where I went through every emotion feeling them in the most extreme way and relives every event In my life attached to those emotions. It was Intense. Someone in my group had started crying nonstop and rocking back and forth in the fetal position. One person said they felt nothing and he had passed out after about 15-20 minutes of half ass breathing and then his breathing turned into an almost perfect technique and very intense and he was rocking back and forth kind of moaning weirdly for another 30 minutes, he didn’t remember anything. Shit is crazy just find a good
School that doesn’t say just breath hella heavy how ever you want.
This sounds scary!
What you described doesn't say anything really. People rocking back and forth can be interpreted in many ways... Sounds like your body was in extreme exhaustion if you had to sleep and eat for 2/3 days after - seems like it was just intense fight+flight followed by intense rest/recover.
"my mom's listening" 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
Im so lazy even breathing like that for an hour seems exhausting
im tried the wim hof method where you do deep breathing in harder than you breath out 40x and then hold your breath for as long as you can. Even that feels excessive and exhausting and I don't feel anything but a little light headedness. It usually takes a little less than 5 minutes I believe. I need to do it next time for 10-15 minutes.
zeffery Wim recommends doing atleast 3 rounds
As a drug user, DMT (and holotropic) breathing are sometimes enough to calm your nerves.
Our bodies are drug-making factories after all
The fact that Joe for a moment thought that a guy turned into an actual wolf as a result of holotropic breathing makes me love him so much more lol 😆😆😆
Really? I was breathing and thought my dog became the pope. Any love for me?❣️❣️❣️❣️
@@debbylou5729
hey, u already had the pope lickin on ur face, sit down...good girrrl!
almost forgot 🔥💜🌠❤️☀️🤍⚡💙🌀💚🌄💟🌤️💗🌅💌💐
The thumbnail is why I clicked on this. Thought maybe he turned into dogman. 😆
@@TiffanyT-LaDolceVita same but they don’t know about dogman😒 i wish more people did
“I went outside and drank a beer in my car..y’know”......bro what??
Clinically holotropic is very healing and much removal of symptoms occurs whether you have elucidated the science or not. Statistically patients get better . It is unfair to put this down simply because you haven't figured the mechanism of action ! Holotropic is clinically very very valuable and effective
I myself am not interested at all in the mechanism of action. I am interested in whether it works, done properly and patiently. Yes to those.
Deep breathing exercises help prevent Pneumonia..Boom There you go..You’re welcome🙌
Drowning prevents pneumonia too. Once you drown you will never get ANY disease ever again.
Yep! We teach this to patients in the hospital. We have a little gadget called incentive spirometry to cue patients to breath in deeply.
Yours is the comment that will actually get me started
Tom Hines: good point but that’s mouth breathing.
Realize the difference between deep breathing and hyperventilation. You can breathe deeply but if you breathe too much you are hyperventilating. Deep, slow breathing is good for you. It is how a healthy person breaths, and they also breath from their belly not from their chest. Holotropics is a controlled hyperventilation and hyperventilating for 3 hours is pretty much not good for you. But it can alter your consciousness for sure. The way it works is from reducing oxygen in your brain. At least that is what you can gather from the studies done on hyperventilation. But its pretty much unknown what really happens during holotropics. Reduced oxygen happens but over 3 hours your body would have plenty time to react to this so we might not know until james nestor does his study about it
Joe "I took a secret holotropic breathing class in the woods" Rogan
I love these comments 😂😂😂
He brought a breathing trophy in a gym bag
Joe"Imma trip off of breathing" Rogan lol idk if I did it right
The Holotropic as presented sounds weird. Hyperventilating is a studied phenomena that seems to be a relative of these techniques. As a runner and a cyclist I practice what I call conscious breathing which is simply just paying attention. I practice drawing stronger even full breaths. The rhythm of breathing is extremely important. Paying attention helps me tremendously.
Also I have noticed that running outside away from traffic and noise in relative seclusion is extremely beneficial.
There are those who go with the flow and those who just analyze everything and are crystallized your humanness will not let go..
Wonderful Day Dreams
Not sure what he did but his description of holotropic ceremony is fairly different from my experience. Ive done several ceremonies with different groups and they definitely did not say “breathe however you want”. There is a clearly laid out technique to optimize the experience. There was great tribal music that takes you on a journey but if you tend to judge tribal music from other cultures as “woohoo” then you will miss out. Sounds like he got new age keyboard sounds which would be a bummer. Also the leadership checked in with people in various ways which deepened the effects a great deal.
I remember crying in joy when I did a livestream with Wim and the breathwork
I like how he actually acknowledges that the guy might have turn into a wolf even though it sounds to ridiculous, because that's the scientific method, lots of explanations are possible until we figure out what is actually happening
Joe focusing on how much of an "asshole" the guy is, is a typical Rogan turn off.
He was a lawyer. So he already was a shark
The wolf story reminds of a book called Wild Animus about a guy who thinks he becomes a mountain goat and jumps into a volcano. This random hippy lady gave it to me at Warped Tour in Bozeman when I was in high school
Carl Jung would use “active imagination” to achieve visionary experiences. I wonder how similar these experiences are to that.
Very similar. It boils down to trance states, and there are many ways to enter.
Which book(s) of his do I read for more information on this?
@@dantom6850 The Red Book
@@fillentropy6519 thx dude
Holotropic breathing sounds just like hyperventilating and all of the woozy mindfuck that comes with it.
Try meditating to the point where you're breathing so shallow it almost feels like you stopped breathing. I did that once and it felt like floating in a sensory deprivation chamber. LIKE FLOATING INSIDE THE WOMB. Everything is numb, but it's not scary numb. The literal meaning of PEACE and TRANQUILITY. Never been able to do it again though. But when i did it I timed it, and when I got out of it it was 45mins later, but it felt like forever.
bro I've done that a few times but it scared me because I likened it to being actually dead as I almost or pretty much didn't feel anything in my body happening I wondered if I actually died and didn't like it so I stopped haha
I meditated just now actually so I still do but those deep experiences can be seriously weird
@@vvelvettearss this is when you should look into affirmations, mantras and even visualization! They say it’s easier to accomplish tasks and make your reality blossom once you reach alpha brain wave state and imply those actions
Thats how it feels like just before you fall asleep…
I love this man 😄. Seriously though I hope my son loves and respects me that much when hes an adult. Too sweet
I have done this many times when I was a teenager. My pupils would swell to all black, my body hair would stand up, I would salivate profusely, I could roar, adrenaline would kick in, I could run around on all fours and do hand stands. Shits real. The police were sure that I was on drugs and had to run blood tests. No drugs. I loved it and miss it. But I'm an adult now and I'm trying my best to be normal.
Sounds like maybe you took some uppers back in highschool
Lol!! Seriously dude?
And you also was a band kid😂
Tell me more
😆😆
The mention of Stanilav Groff at about 10 minutes... I would love to see Stan on JRE!
“He turned into a wolf, and although I can’t empathize with that experience, I respect his process.” Thanks Justin Theroux🙄🙄🙄
James “I went to College” Nestor
That was so wholesome
I have a feeling James said that coz he indeed haven’t tried psychedelics/haven’t experienced any profound altered states while on psychedelics so he didn’t want to lie
@@mrsaynothin I doubt he’s even done a psychedelic
I might believe the guy really felt like he was a wolf because one time when I was younger I had a huge solo shroom experience and part of that experience I felt like I actually became a dinosaur, very hard to explain but if you've had something similar happen you kinda know how those experiences go...
Yea, I turned into an Elk when I did San Pedro cactus.
I literally became Bill Burr a few weeks ago on a shroom trip
@@colbyd.5044 A boston accent just pasted on to ya? hahah
@@researchproject034 I swear lol
After I had my first baby, I went home and had an out of body experience. I always wondered if it was because of the deep breathing!
That is a very interesting experience. While I was hospitalized during my delivery, I hallucinated. I have always been curious about the physiological explanation for what happened...
I have no idea but maybe look up the book Spiritual Emergency by Stan Grof. His wife had a profound Spiritual experience around the time of giving birth.
Breathing deeply and quickly (Wim Hoff) decreases circulatory CO2 by breathing out CO2 from the lungs. This causes a state of alkalosis and alkalemia.
Alkalemia (elevated blood pH) generally has a vasodilatory effect on blood vessels in the human body. Specifically:
1. Alkalosis causes vasodilation, especially in the pulmonary circulation. Studies have shown that acute alkalosis induces pulmonary vasodilation
2. In the systemic circulation, alkalosis tends to cause vasodilation as well, though the effects can vary depending on the specific vascular bed
3. The vasodilatory effect of alkalosis is often mediated through nitric oxide (NO) signaling pathways in the vascular endothelium
4. Alkalosis-induced vasodilation appears to be more pronounced in arteries compared to veins
5. The vasodilatory response to alkalosis can differ between species and vascular beds. For example, some studies found NO mediates alkalosis-induced dilation in piglet pulmonary vessels but not in rabbit or rat lungs
It's worth noting that while the acute effect of alkalemia is generally vasodilatory, prolonged or severe alkalosis can have more complex effects on the vasculature and may impair the normal regulation of vascular tone
Additionally, the body has compensatory mechanisms that can modify the vascular response to chronic pH changes. However, in most acute situations, alkalemia promotes vasodilation rather than vasoconstriction.
Alkalosis causes vasoconstriction in the brain, reducing blood flow, causing dizziness and euphoria
Since they brought up death metal, I want to say the idea is not as absurd as it sounds. I've induced some pretty intense states of mind while listening to death metal and working out. Particularly with running, where the intensity of the music allowed me to push beyond what my normal limits would be, and enter into an altered mind state. They're talking about breathing, I was at the point where I am breathing so hard I thought I was going to vomit, and then pass out from not being able to breathe or get enough air in. I dont do it often anddo not recommend it to anyone, its probably not safe, but I definetly related to that part of the discussion.
Bands like Behemoth, Nile, and especially Gojira have helped get me there. Le Enfant Savage album in particular with songs like Pain is the Master, The Gift of Guilt, etc. The album is a work of art, and a powerful tool for me. I can't listen to it and not work out hard. It drives you.
I can't imagine how that would work sitting down and trying to breathe as hard as you can, but the idea of using death metal and breathwork to access altered states is something I've experienced. Doesnt take 3 hours either, I'm talking running 1-2 miles as fast as you possibly can. That was all I needed, but I am not a marathon runner, I was a sprinter did 100 meter in HS. So for me 2 miles is alot, but I think the key is max BPM in the music and in your heart for just slightly longer than your comfort zone dictates.
Thats where the death metal helps. It just empowers you and helps induce and transcendant state of mind.
Back in the 80s they called this rebirthing. I was able to not breathe for a couple minutes, but I've seen people go six or seven minutes without breathing. It's pretty trippy. I witnessed many emotional releases.
We didn't do it with obnoxious loud music though.
“I WENT TO COLLEGE” 🤣
@John Samson just fishing for likes
I have done Sudarshan Kriya and it's awesome
This is the type of person I love to see on this show.
Holotropic breathing Sudarshan kriya and bhrastrika pranayama are all similar... although the later 2 have been around for 1000s of years
I had a transformative experience looking at Joe’s bald head
Upcoming sober October they gonna listen to death metal and breathe as hard as they can for 30 straight days
“I …went to college” 😂😂😂
“My mom..my mom” 😂😂😂
Its extra funny that a grey bearded man can’t talk freely, because his mom might be watching.
Thanks
9:55 I busted out laughing so hard lmao so you can do that?? 😂
You can get in more air through the mouth.
Joe: is that real??
Thought you were exaggerating for a joke and not doing an exact quote, then I heard it lmao
You get into hard-core yoga and you'll have meditation experiences that are way beyond any drug or Yada Yada. It's all within your inner realm which is the inner realm of all people... that leads to the Self .... which is God. Been there done that. Way beyond amazing.
Lol James literally sounded like he had no idea wtf he was talking about 😂
Love the shout out for the ice man
1:47 best edit ever
Lol
Dude, ffs, just tell us what the hell your experience was like
Rogan asked 3 times and never got a straight answer
"What kind of music was it?"
"That's something i wish they could've worked on a little bit.."
"Death metal?"
".I wish.."
This conversation is friggin hilarious 🤣🤣
I just did three sets of breathing and all of my senses are so much more powerful, my mood is improved, my body feels great... I've done these breathing exercises several times but I don't know why I keep doing it for a day or even a week but not keeping it up
James Nestor is somewhat talking from his behind in this. Stan Grof wasn't "one of the first test subjects of LSD"; he was a young psychiatry student doing research on subjects taking LSD. You can learn actual information by watching his documentary "The Way of the Psychonaut", reading his book titled the same, or go to the training Grof Transpersonal Training or Grof Legacy Training.
"After that, i went to the car and had a " beer" (aka fat joint) to center myself."
😂😂😂😂 sure.... You had a beer....😂😂😂
Breath was awesome audiobook
Or breathe
Loved it
I went to my car and drink a beer and reentered. What a statement.
"I WENT TO COLLEGE..." 🤣🤣🤣
Breath = Spirit
Bro was holding back this whole time because mom was watching.
These are the most significant experiences I have had...and I've had a lot.
Joe"Excuse me, did you just say endogenous DMT"Rogan..
See you at fight Island tonight Joly 10th 2020
Joe, "wink if you've taken DMT" Rogan.
How has your life changed since?
What changes have you made since, now that's more interesting than an awakened moment!
Love you Joe
You've had psychadelic experiences before?
''I.. I went to collage..''
Joe: Have you ever done Psychedelics?
I went to college.
“drank a beer in the car”
Joe Rogan always finds a way to talk about psychedelics hahaha
Demon Slayers also uses breathing technique
Yep that's why I say demon slayer has one of the best and realistic power system so basically the in human things do is kinda possible to an extent as compare to others power system just one thing that demon slayer breathing is not good at they breath from their sometimes cause to look cool I mean breathing from nose in anime gonna look stupid
The Cartels Dont Want You To KNOW 😂
Guyz plz appreciate hinduism and ancient yogis who found this breathing technique.... give credit where its due. They named the energy following through ur body n universe as 'Prana' hence named it pranayama, the way to control it
Employer: "tell me something about your skills"
This guy: "I know how to breath"
My fav kind where you actually feel like you're running down a beach and go back in time where you're surrounded by slow motion blondes like Pam Anderson is the HasselHOFF method.