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- Hello & welcome to the eigth episode of Failed Franchises. In this series I look at train companies that have failed at their franchise agreements or have been criticised by passengers & industry alike. Today I'm looking at Southern, a company that was embroiled in many strikes, temporary timetable reductions and ran a general poor service. But have they turned it around, are they as bad as they once were and, most importantly, are they a failed franchise?
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Vanmayo Failed Franchises 3am challange (gone wrong)
Yeah I had to pick 3am when I knew I had to re-upload 😅
@@VanmanyoI would've thought earlier in the day would've been better 🤣
Yes this video was reuploaded due to a mistake I made with the editing which I had to resolve by re-uploading! I do apologise - I hope you enjoy nevetheless!
Wondered why I got a massive Deja vu feeling from this 🤣
I NEW IT
Me asking my autistic friend is that our train that we catching and the autistic train enthusiast goes on about trains when i only asked 1 question 😂
Bro has something against every train operator 💀
To be fair most of them have had issues at times. The current system doesn't help, with it being officially privately operated but with the government still reserving the final say on everything.
I never understand why some of these companies think removing guards from trains is a good idea
The DfT really pushed them to do it. I'm really not sure why (apart from saving money, of course) - it makes everything less safe for passengers etc. Sadly it's something we just have to deal with I guess.
Do you think why London Underground don’t have guards anymore since 2000?
@@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf well a metro/subway service is quite different from a heavy rail one!
@@Vanmanyo ok
My issue with southern is that it comes 1 every hour and stops between wilsden junction and shepherds bush just to change to 3rd rail.
As someone that goes on Southern every day for the last four years they haven’t turned anything around. The old 313s were ugly and uncomfortable but the 313s didn’t get delayed. When scrapping the 313s there were extreme delays between West Worthing and Hove, Lewes and Brighton and the Brighton Main Line. Southern had promised to remove these delays with the 171s. But the 171s weren’t sufficient for use apart from the small lines on the BML. Delays are still crazy, the average delay on West Coastway (LIT - BTN) is around 12 minutes with the new rolling stock (377/3s). Southern keep on claiming a fix will come but every timetable change is ridiculously worse than previous.
I once took a Southern service from Battersea Park to Wandsworth Common a while ago and all the stopping trains were stopping on the fast line platforms due to engineering works at Clapham Junction, even though the DMI said it would be the slow line platforms. So every passenger was on the wrong platform when the trains came in. We ran over to the next platform and asked the driver, who was very kind, to wait for everyone else. As we got into Wandsworth Common and we had stopped on the fast line platforms, they were fenced off and the kind driver showed us the emergency gates. He then explained the whole thing to the station staff. Once again Southern's speciality: disruption with lack of communication
Sounds pretty cool - if you're someone who finds stopping on rare platforms interesting! Apart from that sounds like a disaster from Southern. Surely they would've known about the engineering works!?
That's very interesting because that actually happened to me at Wandsworth Common once, but in reverse. I wanted to board the last East Croydon stopper, and the platform it pulled into (down fast) was totally locked up. I didn't get on, and the passengers who got off actually walked onto the no-access zone to get out.
I was on a class 377 and I was heading towards London from the Sutton and Mole Valley line and the trains got put on the fast line from Mitcham Eastfields so I started thinking that this train may be put on platform 17 and they said it would be on the slow lines the whole way.
Reupload?
Yep!
God you must really hate Southern that you needed to make 2 videos 😉
Hold up, why are some of the class 456 blue?
i havent travelled on southern too many tines, but i did have one issue with them at gatwick airport, where there was a signal failure and servoces from gatwick were going fast to victoria without stopping st esst croydon or clapham junction. the starion staff definitely did their best to attempt to resolve this issue, but platforms 3 and 4 (victoria-bound platform for southern services) were rammed. at that point, i was really happy that i switched my plans to get gatwick express, which was really empty (until another train arrived at plat 6 and everyone got onto my train and it wasnt rammed, but not empty either, with just a few seats left in each carriage)
What train franchisee did you wrong that you turned on all of them 😂
I used to use the Southern Milton Keynes to East Croydon service from Watford Junction to Shepherd’s Bush to get to and from work.
What a nightmare that service is during peek time going back towards Watford!! I was often lucky to get on the train at all 😂😂😂😂
Southern doesn't go from Milton Keynes
It used to
Yeah that service is always absolutely rammed. I'd be surprised in a few years if it's even running at all
Will we still be getting a video this weekend even though this was re uploaded?
Oh yes don't worry. Check back soon
Eh, it’s not that bad whenever I use it
arent the southern 171s and 170s went to midlands cuz im from roblox British railway and the class 170 has a southern livery which says midlands ex-south sooo idk maybe you forgot to add it
Vanmanyo great video btw i really enjoyed it! :)
Well, the only reason the 171's aren't classified as 170's is due to the couplers the 171's have, which are different to the rest of the Turbostar fleet. They have the same couplers as Electrostars, the reason for this was to allow for the need (in an emergency) to couple an Electrostar Unit to a 171 (such as in the event of a disruption in the supply of electricity to the third rail)
@@SiVlog1989 ahh
'im from roblox british railway'
doesnt that mean you or your parents were born there 💀
(i mean, if that was true, you or your parents would be less than 2 years old 💀💀)
@@mudchute4dlr my parents were born in the 60s
@@JackGourdon-je4ze yeah it was a joke
I feel like I have watched this before 😂. Deja Vu!
Haha 😅 you might be onto something there 😀
Hello there, Southern Railway do have some Bombardier Class 171 Turbostar DMU trains for both East Croydon - Uckfield and Ashford - Hastings 'Marsh Link' routes.
Best wishes and take care. Kind regards, Peter Skuce, St Albans. Hertfordshire.
Seems to me it's the heavy hand of the dft that's behind many of the toc's problems. Also, expecting a lone driver to be solely responsible for hundreds of passengers and everything that's going on in the train behind him is bonkers when he needs to concentrate on his driving.
I usually take Southern to go to London and Gatwick and they're not a bad TOC now but in 2016/17 I remembered I tried to avoid them as much as possible due to the immense overcrowding and mismanaged timetable. But one of my worst experiences was the 0655 at East Croydon it was 4 coaches and was more crammed than FCC during their usual operations.
I’d like to share an experience I had a long time ago involving southern.
So me and my family went into London to see some friends everything was fine up until we had to go home, we were waiting when it’s announced that the train stopping at our station was severally delayed it was 10pm we were waiting until midnight until a double consist of 377s finally creeped into the platform at London Victoria, worse the platform was crowded, not over crowded but crowded enough to where lots of seats were taken, we managed to get some seats and about 30 minutes later we left, however the train had to terminate at Purley where the train was cancelled because of trespassers, which to be fair isn’t really southerns fault, however it took a further 2 hours for a replacement bus to show up and we got home at about 4am, to be fair to southern they have gotten a bit better
Southern were pretty poor a few years ago for sure!
Southern used to run all the way to Milton Keynes Central using Class 377/2 and Class 377/7 dual voltage trains but now they only go to Watford Junction.
Yeah it's a shame really. The service under Connex went from Rugby to Gatwick if I remember right!
Yep. Totally agree.
I've always like Southern, namely their rolling stock and service; I don't think they should have had their franchise stripped considering that the service problem was caused by strikes & Network Rail. I still have no idea as to what is wrong with DOO on trains considering that DOO works fine on the London Underground, London Overground (I think?) and the Croydon Tramlink with the LU carrying more passengers per train on average, no?
Underground and Overground have a lot more platform staff though.
@@katrinabrycethis is very true
😁😁😁😁😁😁
I have a question for anyone who travels on Southern. What was it like when Southern moved from the slam door stock to the 377 and what did commuters think to the new stock?
Good question! I mean they are very different units! Surely the 377s would be better in most ways (except maybe comfort?)
Nice 👍