Correction: The EMR class 360s were former Greater Anglia units, the TFL rail ones have been stored or scrapped! A huge thanks to those who have allowed me to use their footage for todays video - whom without this video would not be possible to make; Antigod: th-cam.com/channels/WpIam6N7YwV7P6SUjMa06w.html Aautismo: th-cam.com/channels/i4KDt-_xAk4c192hQG0DGA.html BrickishRail: www.youtube.com/@BrickishRail KTV Videos: www.youtube.com/@KTVTransport LinesideSouthEast: www.youtube.com/@LinesideSouthEast RoscoTrain107: www.youtube.com/@RoscoTrain107
Try living in Skegness for 6 months. 2 or 3 trains cancelled in a day is frequent. That's not good considering we have 1 train an hour. I'm sure plenty of other routes may be running fine with the EMR website claiming only 3% are cancelled but that figure is certainly a good deal higher on our service.
In my opinions the biggest mistakes are - HST / 180 withdrawal when nothing to replace them, leads to overcrowding on Intercity route often 5 car sets - EMR connect only running with 8 carriages at peak times, all platforms can take 12 carriage trains. Maybe costs but the 360/2’s should have also come over from TFL to aid with this capacity increase - Delayed refurbishment of connect & regional fleet
Where we live in Lincolnshire if we need to head towards Grimsby/Cleethorpes we have two options EMR or TPE, despite their flaws EMR win that one hands down as generally speaking they’re ok… I’ve made my disdain for TPE perfectly clear on the video you posted of their failed franchise and I still stand by that 😄
I recently travelled on them when I was on holiday along the Barton line; morning saw them on time, but afternoons were often late. That being said, the train crews were of a great help and were also quite entertaining.
I always use EMR to travel to Yorkshire. It is always a very comfortable ride. The turnround time at Sheffield is very short and EMR do not empty the toilets unlike Northern at Leeds. There was no trolley on my train yesterday evening. I will continue to use EMR because they do off peak returns and the trains are nicer than Azumas.
I travel on EMR many times a week, they are exceptionally poor. The rolling stock is decrepit, stinky carriages, water ingress in some windows which meant my view from my packed train for 2 hours was a blurry mess. Some doors don’t open and yet I am forced to pay a substantial fare. I could go on for ages, but shan’t. In my view they should have the franchise withdrawn.
I've travelled a lot on the Liverpool to Sheffield/Nottingham service and it's always been fine. It is a bit odd whilst an East Midlands franchise links Liverpool to Norwich and I know there was talk of them splitting it between TPE and another TOC, but it never happened.
@Vanmanyo i think the other reason why EMR was bought by the Transport UK group is that in the year that happened the owner of Abellio NS (Dutch Railways) announced to sell their part of Abellio UK because NS wanted to focus more on it's activities in The Netherlands where they run all the mainline services and some sprinter(the service) services for example from Zutphen to Wijchen
11:28 ik this is completely unrelated to the video, but did anyone else notice how the 156 had its headlights on at the rear? 11:55 and here! but the tail lights are on as well as the marker lights
i think EMT was the best MM operator as they had a diverse fleet of loco hauled stock (Intercity 125 sets), Class 222 meridians, class 153, class 156, class 158 the operations were good and i think EMT was the best
It's a difficult one, I wouldn't necessarily say they're a success but they're also not a failure. Rather they're an operator which had some good ideas but has been let down by the DfT not allowing them to spend money on refurbishments of trains before now and continuously umming and errring about the Liverpool to Norwich route leaving it operating with insufficient trains. They've also been hugely impacted by COVID with the delivery of new and displaced trains significantly delayed. For me personally I find them pretty expensive but they have the potential to be an excellent operator and they have quite possibly my favourite livery in the UK right now.
@@Vanmanyo I was surprised to see a 3 coach train when I went in April, after having visited every Easter for years (changing at Grantham from London) and it only ever had 2 coaches and was always standing room only by that point and had lots of people wanting to board at Grantham too, though we went earlier in the day this year.
I think emr should invest in more Bi mode trains due to most of their routes are electrified and secondly and a lot of fuel is being consumed. I personally think the upcoming 810 is not enough
I wonder what happens to the refurbishment with a change in operator? Does the existing operator just have to essentially take the hit atter committing to it?
The class 222 are useless for anyone with luggage. The overhead racks won't take anything larger than a briefcase - and I'm not going to leave my holiday luggage at the far end of the carriage.
From someone who lives in Norwich, for me they are the total opposite of success. Insanely overcrowded due to Liverpool- Norwich trains always being formed of only 2 coaches, unreliable, and overpriced.
Having traveled a couple of times on EMR, their trains are very dirty, scruffy and poorly maintained. I hate to say but worse than GC. I’m not sure Transport UK Ltd like Arriva is fit and proper company to be operating any public transport.
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Correction: The EMR class 360s were former Greater Anglia units, the TFL rail ones have been stored or scrapped!
A huge thanks to those who have allowed me to use their footage for todays video - whom without this video would not be possible to make;
Antigod: th-cam.com/channels/WpIam6N7YwV7P6SUjMa06w.html
Aautismo: th-cam.com/channels/i4KDt-_xAk4c192hQG0DGA.html
BrickishRail: www.youtube.com/@BrickishRail
KTV Videos: www.youtube.com/@KTVTransport
LinesideSouthEast: www.youtube.com/@LinesideSouthEast
RoscoTrain107: www.youtube.com/@RoscoTrain107
Yes the former Greater Anglia 360s were /1s, the TFL rail units the /2s got stored and 2 of the fleet 360205 and 360204 got scrapped unfortunately.
I think a lot of them are in Warrington in the lower yard with their lights on!
I have a great video of a Class 360 departing bedford
Will there be a video on the current nationalised Northern franchise?
That purple is just sublime
Haha yes! For what they potentially lack in capacity and operations they make it up in the branding department for sure!
I have noticed how East Midlands have gotten a lot better over the last 5 years.
Try living in Skegness for 6 months. 2 or 3 trains cancelled in a day is frequent. That's not good considering we have 1 train an hour. I'm sure plenty of other routes may be running fine with the EMR website claiming only 3% are cancelled but that figure is certainly a good deal higher on our service.
EMR just there stealing everyone's class 170s
Lol
Your right
i like to call it the great 170 purge
That’s because the Class 170s are suitable for East Midlands and EMR said’s that they are so reliable compare to the Class 158.
no 170 is safe from east midlands
In my opinions the biggest mistakes are
- HST / 180 withdrawal when nothing to replace them, leads to overcrowding on Intercity route often 5 car sets
- EMR connect only running with 8 carriages at peak times, all platforms can take 12 carriage trains. Maybe costs but the 360/2’s should have also come over from TFL to aid with this capacity increase
- Delayed refurbishment of connect & regional fleet
Yeah, that was rubbish, taking away 14 trains, then replacing them with 5 trains, to then replace with nothing.
Where we live in Lincolnshire if we need to head towards Grimsby/Cleethorpes we have two options EMR or TPE, despite their flaws EMR win that one hands down as generally speaking they’re ok… I’ve made my disdain for TPE perfectly clear on the video you posted of their failed franchise and I still stand by that 😄
I recently travelled on them when I was on holiday along the Barton line; morning saw them on time, but afternoons were often late. That being said, the train crews were of a great help and were also quite entertaining.
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I just came back from highland wildlife park,Kepping me up but hey! It’s a vid!
I always use EMR to travel to Yorkshire. It is always a very comfortable ride.
The turnround time at Sheffield is very short and EMR do not empty the toilets unlike Northern at Leeds. There was no trolley on my train yesterday evening.
I will continue to use EMR because they do off peak returns and the trains are nicer than Azumas.
Compared to Stagecoach EMT, yes. Massive improvement.
Livery isn’t as good
I travel on EMR many times a week, they are exceptionally poor. The rolling stock is decrepit, stinky carriages, water ingress in some windows which meant my view from my packed train for 2 hours was a blurry mess. Some doors don’t open and yet I am forced to pay a substantial fare. I could go on for ages, but shan’t. In my view they should have the franchise withdrawn.
IMO EMR got rid of their 156s way too early. They definitely should have waited until all the turbos were with EMR. Great video.
It’s probably down to contractual reasons that Northern needed the 156s by a certain date.
Like CPTrains said or their lease couldve ended
I've travelled a lot on the Liverpool to Sheffield/Nottingham service and it's always been fine. It is a bit odd whilst an East Midlands franchise links Liverpool to Norwich and I know there was talk of them splitting it between TPE and another TOC, but it never happened.
Whey! EMR has some of the best looking trains on the network. (In my opinion)
As always a good video. One thing I was wondering will you do a video on coal trains as the last coal train to Ratcliffe on Soar happened recently?
Scotrail / Caledonian Sleeper would be a good one to look at for something a little different.
@Vanmanyo i think the other reason why EMR was bought by the Transport UK group is that in the year that happened the owner of Abellio NS (Dutch Railways) announced to sell their part of Abellio UK because NS wanted to focus more on it's activities in The Netherlands where they run all the mainline services and some sprinter(the service) services for example from Zutphen to Wijchen
Yeah NS did want to sell! I have been on NS quite a bit so I know a bit about them. I think abellio were pretty good.
@@Vanmanyo yeah it was because they wanted to focus more on domestic services
11:28 ik this is completely unrelated to the video, but did anyone else notice how the 156 had its headlights on at the rear?
11:55 and here! but the tail lights are on as well as the marker lights
i think EMT was the best MM operator as they had a diverse fleet of loco hauled stock (Intercity 125 sets), Class 222 meridians, class 153, class 156, class 158 the operations were good and i think EMT was the best
It's a difficult one, I wouldn't necessarily say they're a success but they're also not a failure. Rather they're an operator which had some good ideas but has been let down by the DfT not allowing them to spend money on refurbishments of trains before now and continuously umming and errring about the Liverpool to Norwich route leaving it operating with insufficient trains. They've also been hugely impacted by COVID with the delivery of new and displaced trains significantly delayed.
For me personally I find them pretty expensive but they have the potential to be an excellent operator and they have quite possibly my favourite livery in the UK right now.
ROSCOs should have to fully fund all refurbishments, maintenance and repairs.
This is normal practice when leasing anything, owner responsibility.
The Skegness line only has 2 coaches and has done even on EMT, making it really busy on Mondays & Fridays with the Butlins changeover.
To be honest it does sometimes have 3, 4 and even 5 coaches! I went on a 3 car train in Feb when I went!
@@Vanmanyo I was surprised to see a 3 coach train when I went in April, after having visited every Easter for years (changing at Grantham from London) and it only ever had 2 coaches and was always standing room only by that point and had lots of people wanting to board at Grantham too, though we went earlier in the day this year.
thank you good sir, crakin video x
Great video.
Well done again :D
I think emr should invest in more Bi mode trains due to most of their routes are electrified and secondly and a lot of fuel is being consumed. I personally think the upcoming 810 is not enough
You noticed though on all outher lines where bi mode units are used there future plans to finish electrification quietly and quickly disappears
You missed a failed franchise: The former Transport Secretary Chris Grayling's tenure in office. 🙁
I wonder what happens to the refurbishment with a change in operator? Does the existing operator just have to essentially take the hit atter committing to it?
The class 222 are useless for anyone with luggage. The overhead racks won't take anything larger than a briefcase - and I'm not going to leave my holiday luggage at the far end of the carriage.
Even so, they are better than the auroras
@@aplane9625the 810s aren't even in service yet???
From someone who lives in Norwich, for me they are the total opposite of success. Insanely overcrowded due to Liverpool- Norwich trains always being formed of only 2 coaches, unreliable, and overpriced.
Can you do SWT
Might be reliable but the cost is extortionate!
I thought the 360’s came from Greater Anglia 🤔
Check pinned comment!
Having traveled a couple of times on EMR, their trains are very dirty, scruffy and poorly maintained. I hate to say but worse than GC.
I’m not sure Transport UK Ltd like Arriva is fit and proper company to be operating any public transport.
The purple seems premium for a service. But the service is not
Syston is pronounced Si-ston
I wish EMR scrapped thier class 158s.
How dare you
Great video