5 Things I Don't Like About The Beretta 92 & M9
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- There's a lot of great things about the Beretta 92 and M9 series, but there are 5 problems that can't be overlooked.
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As a multiple combat tours vet, a can say for sure, the Beretta M9 never failed me. Qualified expert on it every single time. The gun just works, and is accurate as anything else out there. Offer me 1 gun, any gun, for home/self defense, and I'd take the Beretta over anything else out there
Thank you sir, Your experience with this firearm and passion for it is Exactly the input I am looking for. I like everything about it, and accept the not so good.
@@michaelmarzano237 glad I could help. Obviously it is just my opinion, but my opinion still stands. The Beretta M9 will always be relevant. I work at a store selling firearms. The M9 is still very popular. If you have one, or you are planning to get one, I hope you enjoy it as much as I and countless others do.
I just bought an M9A4 and that makes me feel better about my purchase. I really enjoy the gun and it has yet to fail in anyway on me.
@@phantomstrike3310Ever handle a 93r?
At the end of the day it's just too big.
After renting a Beretta 92 at my range, I honestly started to prefer DA/SA over striker fired from how safe the first trigger pull feels. If you're carrying it around, you can almost guarantee your Beretta won't go off when you don't want it to, which is a good thing when guns should be a last resort for self defense scenarios.
I get that and I do love the way the double action feels but I've been carrying a striker fired pistol for years and it's never just went off. Even dropping it from 4 ft up in the air outside of it's holster.
For me, it's hammer vs striker. Unless it's a beater, the feel of a hammer fired trigger always felt better than a staple gun feeling striker.
This is one of the reasons why I like the Beretta PX4 Subcompact. I get a safety (which can be changed to a decocker only) and a DA/SA, and with its stainless steel bull barrel, it looks tough when you look at the muzzle.
If you ever buy a 92, put the Beretta “D” hammer spring in it. It will lighten up the double action pull by 2-3lbs but still reliably set off any primers. It’s a cheap upgrade, easy to do yourself. Knock out one pin, easy access.
I guarantee my striker fired carry gun won’t go off because it doesn’t leave my holster and I don’t touch the trigger. I like hammer fired guns but I never understood this argument. People definitely have NDs with double action triggers
carried mine as an leo since 1985, slide safety was never an issue not once, never burned myself, never had it jam still carry and quailify with it yearly
My beretta 92fs in inox was my first ever firearm that I purchased for myself and absolutely love it, well over 4-5000 rounds through it with no issues at all. Still, all valid points in the video but thats what makes this outlaw so honest!!!
Stay safe everyone and happy thanksgiving to y’all 🦃 🦃 🦃 🎉
You have immaculate taste, my dude
That was the first gun I purchased as well. 10 years ago. 1 failure to feed in 10 years. That was mostly the ammos fault though. The lip on the casing was way too big.
Inox 🤤
It was my first handgun as well. Love it. It's been about 15 years now. No regrets. No issues.
Mine too in 1992 an inox 92.
An excellent review as always. In the 90s the 92 was issued as my LE duty weapon. I went to a 3 day course on the weapon. One of the range drills was to field strip the weapon and drop the parts into a sand pile then run 100 yards. After the run the requirement was to retrieve the parts from the sand pile, reassemble the weapon without cleaning and insert a full mag and run a shooting drill. The weapon never failed.
I bet a lot of people talking down on the M9 doesn’t even own one
Ya, my brother was in the military or cousin, or friend and the slide blew back off the gun etc.
Or ex-military guys forced to use worn out guns with crappy non-Beretta mags.
Probably because they dont like them
@@sirfrydryk360 had NOTHING To Do with Beretta Quality, the Military Neglects their Equipment and Seldom replace their broken firearms.
@@johnwelsh4750 never said it was my friend, neglected weapons are more dangerous to the user than almost anything else.
Part of the idea behind the open slide is that if dirt ,sand or mud gets in, it self clears by shooting
From what I understood, the crackedslides were From special forces using hotter SMG ammo. The fix was to prevent the back of the slide coming back into the shooter's face.
It wasn't even that, winchester gave them out of spec ammunition. It was loaded to proof pressures. Any firearm will fail if you put the amount of proof pressure loads through it that they did.
To add on to jacobs point, they had the same slide failures on the P226s they adopted for the same reason. Chris Bartocci from Small Arms Solutions has a comprehensive video on the M9 program and the teething issues it had.
Well, there was also the fact that these guns were seeing nearly 100,000 rounds before being cycled out.
There had been two different issues.
That on the Army M9, that happened exclusively in endurance tests performed right after the adoption of the gun, was caused by a batch of Winchester made ammos that developed pressures in excess of proofloads. In those conditions it was a miracle the slides actually endured several thousands rounds (over 7.000 on average) before cracking. After Beretta technicians discovered the real issue (the Army technicians first blamed the tellurium used in the alloy) Beretta sued the Government for the delays, bad press and unnecessary modifications requested to the guns. The lawsuit had been settled off-court with the Government paying Beretta further 10 millions $.
It's not clear if those ammos had ben used in the XM9 trials but, as a matter of fact, in those trials, only two models, the Beretta M9 and the H&K P7, reached the treshold of 7000 rounds fired for the endurance tests with all the 3 guns sitll intact. All the others cracked the slide or the frame of at least one gun.
The other incidents happened to two Beretta 92SB used by the SEALs. In one case, the SEALs couldn't say how many rounds the gun fired, but they were surely over 30.000 (an unreasonable high number in the '80s. The XM9 program, IE, called for a service life "not inferior to 5.000 rounds"). In the other, the SEAL was testing handloads he made for his SMG, so none could say what pressure was developed.
@@chris.3711 I have a Langdon that just hit 20k. I’ve not replaced anything but I’ve cleaned it every 1k rounds. It still works flawlessly lol. I did just order a new recoil spring.
Your best friend at around 7:00 made me laugh when he hopped on the recliner, that's a well-cared for pooch right there.
Beretta 92 accuracy. In the mid-80s I was qualifying German paratroopers on the M-16. While waiting for a new firing order to come up I took out my personal 92FS I fired at one of the pop-up targets and knocked it down, at 150m. I did it several more times and passed the pistol off to the German NCOs to try. After several rounds they were doing this too. We were still knocking down targets all the way back to 250m. Of course, we weren't moving and no one was shooting back.
I remember getting issued my first m9 as a medic. Loved it then and still love it today. Yes, it’s a big gun, yes, people with small hands struggle with it. However, in the right hands that is one smooth accurate firearm. As for reliability it gets tiresome hearing people say that about the Beretta, it’s anything but unreliable. Most people that experienced issues were either due to the crappy cheap mags issued to them instead of the factory issued beretta mags, or lazy armorers who never performed the necessary spring maintenance on the gun. I would trust that gun with my life and the life of my family without hesitation. Oh and the safety, it’s all about training and muscle memory. I’ve never had any issues with accidentally engaging the safety. Train with the gun enough, understand your manual of arms and be situationally aware.
I was a machine gunner and used it here and there. Love the m9. A lot of it is what you know and what your used to.
Yep, as a small arms instructor that retired from the military in 2007 this was one of the main weapons I taught and used. I agree with everything you said.
I carry a classic 92FS as my everyday carry. Got it in a Galco Classic Lite II and it's awesome. Such a secondary cool factor, but it's also been very reliable and I have no doubt that God forbid I ever have to use it, it shall not fail. It's my one and only handgun I've had and carry all the time. It's almost an extension of myself now, as corny as that may sound, lol. Fits my hands perfectly also, but it's definitely not for everyone I agree...
Carried an M9 for 9 years, military police. Qualified twice a year and shot expert every time. Very easy to shoot. I was issued several. Not one malfunctioned. I did see some shooters experience it though. I like it because it's left handed friendly and I know it will do what I need it to do.
In the looks department, I bet you would put Beretta 92 is in the top 10 for sure. Probably even top 5. I do agree that the open top design allows for more debris to get in the gun, but these guns were meant to be carried in a holster, which minimizes that concern. I have a 92x RDO and it appears that they solved the safety issue just like the the M9A4. You can also convert a older 92 to a G model if your concerned about the safety.
Plus the open top slide has advantages. It reduces weight without making the gun too light, and it greatly lessens the possibility of having an FTE. There's no place for the case to get hung up. Add to that the "direct feed" system whereby the top round in the mag is always directly lined up with the chamber. No need for a tilting barrel or feed ramp and it will still feed 100% reliably. And you're right, they're damn sexy!
I watch most of your videos, and typically listen with earbuds. Can't say the wind has ever been an issue for me. Still, can totally understand not wanting to freeze your balls off.
It's been the 20s, I 100% get it. Lol
I dislike the grip and safety location and would give the nod to the cz75. However getting a grip on the 75 to rack the slide can be difficult.
SO Grip the Slide Firmly and Push with the Grip So you Slide the Frame = Easy Slide.
@@johnwelsh4750 That’s what I do, never had a problem.
@@johnwelsh4750 Yep. For anyone who has this issue, it helps to watch someone demonstrate the difference between levering by the slide, and levering by the grip/lower. X-RING has a good one where Ray and his then young (maybe 11?) daughter demonstrate it.
Very true. I have the TSO and mounted the Trijicon SRO using the side L bracket. It made it very difficult to rack the slide. But the Tactical Sports Orange is so accurate and so dependable. I love that gun.
Is that just because the slide on the 75 is so slim? I've only ever held a buddy's, but they seem like fantastic guns. I was considering getting one at some point in the future.
I've had my Beretta PX4 Storm for about 9 years. It's my EDC and I love it. It's a full size ,9mm . Fantastic good looking ,accurate and functioning gun.
Dedication. I carry the P-01 from time to time and that’s really hard to pull off comfortably. Can’t imagine carrying the Full Size Storm regularly!
I had the sub compact px4 for a few years loved the gun mostly as far as reliability but events sold it for some reason mine just didn't shoot well my groups would be pie pan size at 15 yards with every ammo choice I tried I think it was partly me and partly the short barrel I now carry a shield 2.0 single stack 9mm that shoots pretty good but man I miss my berretta probably going to get the m9a4 soon
Got the G model 92X RDO and the #1 thing about it is it is just dead nuts reliable. RDO is fun to mess with for target shooting, but in a carry situation I actually like the iron sights. Slide is silky smooth and the DA/SA trigger means I don't have to worry about having it cocked while pointed and my valuables.
I'm sure there are better options, but this one has a long track record and I love it.
The first hand gun I ever shot was an M9 about 13 or so years ago, it was a rental at a local range, and to this day I still remember how nice it shot and how impressed everyone was with my grouping. Due to budget I have never added knee to my collection which is why that Girsan has my attention. And yes the dog rocking in the chair was very cute.
Just get a 92X (non performance). They can be had for $600 ish and are basically an M9A4 without the threaded barrel. The 92X RDO Centurion will be my first Beretta.
I agree with Casey Houk. I have both a M9A3 and a 92X Compact (my daily cc) and they both shoot great. I would save up the extra $100 or so and get the real deal Beretta 92X if for nothing else the piece of mind of knowing it will not fail.
@@michaelyoho4848 how does the 92X compare to the M9A3? I like that it's Italian made and the threaded barrel/night sights are nice, but also a good bit more expensive than the 92X.
Basically what I'm getting at is, if you could only have ONE Beretta (which I'm sure I'll end up with several 😆) would you choose the 92X, M9A3 or M9A4?
@@TheOfficialCaseMade Good choice, so I've heard.
@@TheOfficialCaseMade if I could only have one I would pick the 92x compact. As it is my dcc, it fits me well and I shot it very well. I shoot it good enough to confidentiality Casey it as a duty side arm as well. If you have larger hands you may want the centurion model. If you can afford it add a rmr and if you still have extra cash get some Langdon Tactical upgrades and you will be one happy and good shooting guy.
Just picked up my LTT Beretta. Extremely happy with it. Definitely a keeper. It will stay with me and will be passed on to future generations within my family. Can't say that about the others in my collection.
Watch how it ends up in a gun buy back the very next week.
I feel like a CZ75 would’ve been a better choice for an all steel 9mm battle pistol
The 75 slide serrations help so little its unreal
CZ is love
CZ is life
@@AmericanNationalist852 Colt, unfortunately, thinks otherwise. :/
@@nikobellic3526 Yeah because they are so slim that you can’t even get a good grip on them. Berettas are imo better overall.
Definitely
I was in service when the 1st Marine division replaced the 1911 with the M-9. After 21 years of service I have a lot of trigger time with it. I always found it "good enough" but I've never bought one for myself.
Back in 1989, USCG, if we qual’d with the M9 we could no longer carry a 1911. Since I was separating from service I qual’d with the M9. Have never had a desire to shoot one again.
It's worth picking up one that hasn't been beat to shit and rebuilt with third hand parts. Government spec for the 1911, M9, and the M17 have always been worse than what's available to civilians.
@@danielhenderson8316 u pull argue that about the 1911
Berrettas in the military are not like berettas you can buy out in the civilian world you can get infinitly better ones made by langdon tactical or willson combat
@@Earth517Phoenix That’s the easiest one to answer. Would you prefer a 1911A1 with no modern upgrades like checkering, beavertails, and replaceable sights or a bone stock M9?
I had a beretta m9 for a very long time and tons of ronds down range this weapon just works no problem I will never get tired of my m9
Solid video. I really like the M9A4. Many of these issues could be resolved with a full redesign of the PX4 Storm which I really like, but where is the v. 2.0. Come on Beretta, step up.
Email Langdon Tactical & ask his thoughts ?
They’ll probably make it in TN and it’ll be less than stellar. Italian or bust
The Beretta 92/M9 is a drop dead gorgeous pistol design. It's also just an extremely famous pistol having been in so many movies and TV shows, not to mention its long run as the US military standard service pistol. It has its quirks just like all other guns do. Though it is not my favorite pistol, I do own a number of different 92/M9 models and don't feel at a disadvantage whenever I fill my hand with one. All of mine say "Made in Italy" on them except my M9-A4. I believe an Italian pistol should have these words on it.
The slide mounted safety does get in the way. That’s why my home defense gun is the G model decocker and I don’t have any issues with putting on the safety when manipulating the slide. My Beretta is very accurate and is a good shooter.
Mrs. Outlaw manages recoil better than most men.
I love the dogs rocking the recliner in the background. Awesome
I've always loved the Beretta because, at 6'5", it's big enough to "fit my hand".
I agree with ya, BUT the beretta 92/m9 is still my favorite pistol. Something about that chunky Italian steel
This is a very informative review. I carried the M9 for a number of years while in the service. We trained a fair amount but not enough to remain as familiar and proficient with it as I would have liked. The solution for me was to purchase the civilian version, the 92 FS. I was then able to train with it much more so than I ever could have by merely going to the Range a couple of times a year with my unit. Beretta makes quality pistols and the M9/92FS are no exceptions. Thanks for your review.
I just purchased the M9A4. Beretta perfection out of the box. I'll take into any combat situation as is ZERO issues. Carried the 92 in the Army from 90-95 after carrying the old 1911's in Germany from 87-90.
I never had issue with the safety. I’ve owned 92s since 1991. I love where it is. It’s intuitive and doesn’t interfere with the slide release. I know I am in the minority. The only better Beretta to me is the 92X which I like the grip better. I love Berettas lol
Cool story bro
Same here. Beretta guns are my favorite
100% agree, FS was the first purchase I made in early 2000's and never once had an issue.
Just got the 92fs a couple months ago. After shooting striker fired polymer framed pistols for so long, its such a refreshing feel. Most accurate pistols ive used before. After renting one, i just had to trade my g26 in for one. Sure, it had a bit of a chunky grip for my smaller hands but the smooth recoil and DA/SA make it my favorite pistol I’ve ever shot. Plus the beautiful looks are a plus lol. Plan on putting G10 grips on mine soon enough. Might even get the compact version eventually for carrying
I carried and shot all different Glocks for 20 years. Finally bought a brand new basic Beretta 92FS back in 2020. In my opinion the Beretta 92FS is the best pistol ever made!
Lok grips a game changer for my 92 LTT Elite Trijicon SRO and 92x performance biggest change to how the gun fits in my medium sized hands
I've been running a mid 90's series M9 forever and never experienced any of these issues. It made me go back and examine how i use the gun to try and determine why, and it really comes down to big hands and long fingers...I operate the slide with the serrations in an overhand clamp and never once activated the safety. the grip is also comfortable and the trigger works. although that first shot transition is still sketchy even after all these years.
Chris, we need to move you to Texas. You would fit right in and it's not that cold here. Loved the pooch taking over the rocking chair. What an austere life 😂😂
That’s funny. I was just watching your LTT M9 video
The primary thing I hate about the Beretta 92/M9 is the slide mounted safety. Yes the newer ones come with the safety slightly angled up to make accidentally engaging the safety much more difficult when racking the slide, but even with training it could happen under stress (especially if you rack the slide with your hands over the top instead of slingshotting it). I wished Beretta would make these all come with the G/decocker only model or come with a frame mounted safety. The original design from way back in the day with the frame mounted safety (aside from the heel mag release button) was perfect in my opinion. Even the higher end 92X Performance or 92X Performance Defensive with the frame mounted safety is so much better (and gives you the option of carrying cocked and locked if you don't want the first trigger pull to be double action).
I really hope Beretta releases the frame mounted version for the standard Beretta 92 instead of just the high end ones.
Or just turn it into a G model yourself...
@@joec3090 that was literally my 3rd sentence. Have all the new 92 models come with a G/decocker version. A frame mounted safety would still be superior though
@@JacksonWalter735 No, I think having the option to turn it into a G model is better than vice versa.
@@joec3090 having the option of turning it into a G version is better than a frame mounted safety? How so?
I do enjoy my Taurus PT92 and my Girsan with the frame mounted safety, kinda helps with your first issue! For me, personally, the finger grooves on the Girsan Regard help with grip fit and comfort! The 92 and the CZ 70/75 platforms (including clones) are my favorites!!
7:00 dog is stone cold chillin! LOL! Great vid, sir! I love my M9. Mostly for its iconic look. But also for its long heritage. And John McLane.
Love the Beretta. Definitely agree the safety location isn't ideal, but I've trained to the point where I can sweep it off with my thumb right out of the holster before even presenting the gun towards the target. I did flip the safety on accidentally once when I was qualifying with the M9 and I didn't realize the trigger would actually travel with the safety activated, so I didn't realize immediately what was going on and tried to clear a malfunction, then the range officer told me the safety was on lol. My ruger trigger is stiffer and doesn't travel as far when the safety is on so it threw me off. Just need more training.
For something so important don t train around an issue , remove the issue . I.e. get a different gun
Can't understand why you would use the safety if you use a holster, can you explain? Thanks!
All true...but damn that's a sexy gun.
I don't find the fit of the Beretta 92 or 96 to be too large for my smallish man hands. I find it to be a decent fit. I also have a S&W 5900 which fits well. I like them because they aren't ammo fussy. They are easy to take apart to clean and reassemble.
Grip is too thick, agree. Open top slide issues, meh. Slide mounted safety, practice with the gun you carry and you’ll be fine. Red dots. The gun was developed long before they were putting red dots on pistols. Had a cz p-01 omega, an M9 and an FS. Sold the CZ and still have the other two. Excellent review.
I love my beretta 92fs with the soft gray rubber grip. My friends always wants to buy it from me because of the way it feels and the accuracy is great. Thank you so much for your input Chris. Aloha
As always really good info. Personally, I have always liked the 92, especially the compact which I don’t think most folks care for. As you alluded and I could not agree more what I see as the biggest issue with the pistoI is the common variants with the darn safety. I am strictly a G model user de-cockers yes, safeties no way. I encourage the conversion for others when possible for them. My firstest, bestest will always be the 1911 but there are rough and tumble times when the 92 is not a bad choice imho. After all Christmas is upon us and it is nearly time for John McClain to secure Nakatomi Plaza ; ).
As a larger Navy vet, I’ve had some experience with the M9. Actually enjoy running it. And u are correct (as usual) on the nuisances compared to other firearms. But the weight & size still make it a favorite of mine. Great video. Thanks Chris.
Almost didn’t watch your video because I have a 92 Compact which I love. But you did make some good points. I replaced my safety with a slim profile one sided one. I only use it as a decocker and have no issues.
KEEP THOSE VIDEOS COMING! Thanks.
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You could always go the extra step and convert it to a "G" model with the factory decocker, instead of the safety.
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I've always liked the the design but I've never actually handled one. This video gave alot of good info on things to think about when I do finally get to check one out and maybe even buy one. Thanks again Chris.
I have the 92x RDO thats Decocker only and love it. I have smaller/medium hands and switched to some g10 grips and it's been awesome ever since. I did get my optics plate but I don't plan on running a red dot because it's just too damn tall. It was definitely an afterthought. Other than that it's a beautiful firearm. Glassy smooth, great trigger with a nice short reset. I may do a trigger reach reduction mod on it eventually to make it lay a bit further back to accommodate my shorter finger a bit better. But seriously... Every time I shoot it all I can do is smile. It's just a joy to shoot and it, along with my cz p-01 feel like how I've always wanted a pistol to feel, solid and reliable.
So yeah, no gun is perfect but my 92x is probably one of my top 3 guns I'd keep if I had to get rid of the rest. It's just that good.
I've always heard about the beretta safety accidentally engaging, but never had it happen to me. Beretta 92 is my go to gun, thousands of rounds through it.
Most of the gripes are valid in my view, but all pistols are collections of compromises. The determining factor for me is how well I shoot the piece. For some reason, I always shot M9's well--in 25 years of military service, I never came across one that wasn't both accurate and reliable, despite the lowest-bidder mags we used.
These are some true points in fact. I've been shooting baretta's all my life and recently I purchased my first striker fired pistol and racking the slide has been an eye-opening experience. I never realized how awesome racking the slide from the front is. I always rack my Beretta from the front and burn myself constantly. Over the years I've gotten way better but at first it was terrible.
> burn myself
Gloves?
I've noticed that anybody who's new to guns that I take to the range invariably likes the 92 better than anything else, mostly because of the soft recoil.
I have always liked the looks of the Beretta, but never bought one because of the slide mounted safety. I prefer the Taurus PT92. just bought my 3rd brand new. The 1st was a used 1987 model, traded a few years later for a 1992 with less finish wear, and later a stainless. All 100% reliable and very accurate. Runs all brands of ammo. Best of all the 92 series are all frame mounted safety's.
love the puppy in the back ground
My 92 has been converted to de-cock only which solves the accidental safety engagement. As for lack of real estate in the slide I can say my CZ PCR has even less slide stock due to the low profile slide design inside the frame. As you said it’s about training with it. The 92 IMO is an overall amazing accurate gun that I would put up against anything on the market. As for the looks department, probably the sexiest pistol ever made. Good video tho and useful tips.
I personally love my Beretta 92 FS and often concealed carry it. It is a very reliable Italian made pistol dated 1990. I have purchased it used in 1997 and put thousands of rounds through it. Since then I had never noticed any issues neither with safety nor with jamming.
I have the same gun, though it always seemed too large for concealed carry. What kind of holster do you use?
@stephenb7704 I use Italian Beretta right-handed leather holster for concealed carry sold by Beretta. It was about $100 at the time I've bought it.
One way that I have found to get over the smaller surface area of the slide is when I reload to just activate the slide release with my support hand rather then reaching over the top to avoid burning my hand , the Berettas slide release tends to be longer along the length of the frame so it helps .
Same dude, I use the slide release and have zero issues. I also only have the decocker
Dope dog sighting begins at 6:59. The whole video is great, but it really picks up here, the dog rocks in the chair for a bit before falling asleep.
The only 2 problems with the m9 was the cracked slide but was addressed a long time ago and the fact that the military was buying cheap aftermarket magazines instead of the factory or mecgar mags. Other than those two problems it’s a perfect gun. As far as the safety issue there’s a g series conversion.
I’m a beretta fan and absolutely respect your opinion. The G model conversions definitely help in negating the slide mounted safety issue (which is something I never was keen on) but yeah they should release more frame mounted safeties.
I like the vertec grip options although never held one myself, I actually shoot incredibly well with stock grips in my medium sized hands although I’m not sure wether thin grips or a vertec grip is better especially considering most people I know with vertecs switch to the wraparound grip.
I have to ask, as a range toy would you pick a ltt elite or a langdonized 92x performance. I’m trying to decide between the two.
I don't know why you would consider either of those a range toy. I would choose a Langdonized 92X Performance for its Vertec frame. My 92X feels better in my hand than my 92A1, and I wear men's size large gloves. With a 92X, you can add a grip that has a palm swell, like the M9A4. Anyway, that's just my $0.02. I hope that helps 🙃
@@bob_mosavo it absolutely helps thank you! So I only really shoot at the range and don’t carry, hence range toy and possibly HD.
As for the those two beretta models, they seem to be the very best 92s you can buy and it’s a platform I’m very comfortable with and they just work for me. Thing is all the ranges nearby only rent older 92fs and m9a1 models so I’ve got to rely on other opinions.
I’ll definitely see if they have any vertec grip options in stock at a local store, they sound pretty great.
As a side note, If I don’t go with beretta I’d be looking at BUL sas ii but as we all know they are very rarely available anywhere.
No need for a safety on the Beretta. Make it a decock only, 99% of the problems solved.👍
Just did this myself. Great idea. I like that it now functions likes my p229
I have an old made in Italy model 92 compact, I’ve owned it since the late 1980s
Love it, very accurate and dependable
I think a lot of these issues are just nitpicking and in the real world just not a thing ( barrel heating up and burning you 😃)
My only complaint is for a “compact” it’s still is rather big and heavy
Thats why i use Taurus PT92AF Berreta. It has good safety and decocker on a frame like 92x performance. Its dirt cheap and is a great great gun. After 1k shots rail paint havent even wear off. Great gun.
I hear you Chris. For me, I cut my teeth as far as pistols go on the M9. Carrying it as my sidearm for 2 tours in Iraq it proved it's reliability. With training and practice the safety was never an issue though now I only have G models or converted F models to decock only. I love the 92's and M9's and they are my dcc, bedside gun and truck guns.
As long as you are on a 92 clone kick, try out a Taurus PT-92. It fixes the slide safety issue and would be curious to see how you think it compares to the Beretta and the Girsan.
I actually prefer the Taurus
I have mine and love it. No complaints. So butter smooth.
That’s a bright-eyed, handsome pup! Liked this format! Very Informative!
The 92G Elite LTT was my first gun and I absolutely adore it. But everything he says here is the truth. Optics were not my main focus, but even with the options available I think a different platform would almost always be better.
That said, the G-model de-cocker only with a good trigger job is my platonic ideal for a duty/competition gun. I feel comfortable carrying it on my hip and using it in a home/self defense scenario, but I still get that silky smooth reset and delightful SA trigger.
There are no perfect options, but I'm glad to have it. It's a jack of all trades and a master of none that fits me nicely.
I’m thinking of picking up the ltt elite for the exact reasons you mentioned. Plus for the price, it’s hard to beat.
I’m curious, have you picked up anything that comes close to the ltt or even surpasses it?
@@desmondhumebrotha3522 Take a look at Langdon's HK P30 line. I have the one with the Greyguns flat trigger, and the LEM trigger. Amazing pistol.
@@kennethbaker5223 will do! I’ve shot a stock p30 and really liked it, just wanted a slightly better trigger (not that it was bad in any way, just not wow). I’m hoping the ltt upgrade makes a difference in that regard and thank you for the recommendation!
When I get around to it, I'll have the safety on mine converted to a decocker only, since the double-action trigger is more than enough. The Beretta is a beautiful design, and it's pleasant to have something that doesn't follow the tilting-barrel, striker-fired herd.
Yours doesn't have a decocker I thought they were standard on all bread as I have the M9A1 Beretta and I absolutely love it it has a decocker and there's no problems at all with the safety no matter how you cock it even has the rail up front
You know you’re a boring mfer when you value an operating mechanism just because it’s different
Get the M9A4. I have no regrets purchasing mine. Accurate and reliable. No ftf, fte, or any type of malfunctions. My favorite pistol. I like it better than any of my Sigs. If SHTF this would be the pistol I would grab and know it will always go bang and never fail me.
Many excellent, articulate points about the pros and cons of the platform. I concur.
I love the M9. Never had any issues with it, but then again, it's also my first pistol. Not the newer ones, the OG. No underbarrel rail, no threaded muzzle, no optics cut, just a Plain Jane M9. And I think it's one hell of a training pistol. You want someone to learn to love shooting, you give them an M9. You want someone to learn to shoot accurately, give them an M9. Recoil pattern is so smooth I can just about count on the pistol doing half the work for me XD
That being said, I don't like the slide. Open top is sexy and I love it, but the barrel being hot is definitely an issue. Never had any issues with the safety, but I can definitely see why it would be a problem. I'm looking at something like the P320 to get rid of those issues, or something similar
As someone who is in the navy and just shot to qualify with the new Sigs, they have shown to be grossly unreliable with too many disqualifying flaws. The worst ones I've hear is failure to feed, faulty triggers and my own personal experience in having the rear sight and slide cut plate fly off and hit me in the face as well as the same happening to others on my shoot day and other days. I love sig, I own two with the p220 and the .380acp (I forget the model) but the years I've shot the beretta m9 for years and no matter how absolutely sh!t they have been maintained, I've never had a single malfunction compared to hearing and experiencing the sig problems. Take this as you will, they are both amazing brands. Also consider I decided to go with a cz 75b omega and a sig p220 when considering the sig 320 or the m9 civilian equivalent.
I was surprised that the B92 didn't make the "10 guns..." video, since I know you like them and they're normally ridiculously reliable. Appreciate the explanation.
Bought a 92X Performance a year ago after seeing your video on it, such a great gun. The frame-mounted safety was the deciding factor, I never liked the slide safety/de-cocker.
I know this is a little off topic but I am curious how much compatibility the Girsan Regard has with genuine 92 parts.
Good one! Frisan has some great looking models. It’s not difficult to make such a good looking pistol look better.
Everything I've read on that topic and been told by the fine folk at the LGS where I got mine comes down to the only non compatible parts being the slide itself and the locking lugs on the barrel. Other than that, all else should be compatible. I'm using Mec-Gar mags that have "Beretta" stamped on them for starts
I'd love to hear your opinion on the Taurus pt92
Dog rocking the chair in the back was the best part
I always wanted a Beretta 92 after seeing them in countless movies from the 80s and 90s …got one in my hands at the range and really liked how it felt, but then learned about the 1911 and decided I’d buy that over a 92 because of the reasons you listed here 1-4. Another reason I chose the 1911 is of course they have have the best trigger design and you can get them in 9mm or 10mm
1911s are great, but for a true combat pistol double strike capability is a great feature and with some very basic and minor upgrades, my Beretta has a similar trigger feel to my 1911 in single action. Also capacity.
The Beretta is a great reliable sidearm with a long standing history of use by many law enforcement and military units. The DA/SA trigger is very smooth. I am not sure what your background is, but I recommend that if you don’t like the Berreta, don’t use it. I used a 92F on duty for several years and I never had issues with it. I understand as a TH-cam “Gun-Guru”, you need something to talk about for viewers and revenue. You are re-hashing things that have been discussed and argued about for a long , long time.
I love this channel to death, but honestly man, 80% of your beef with this platform is solved by converting to a "G" decocker. And wasn't this platform found to be more reliable than others BECAUSE of the open design?
120yds. That's why a 92fs was in my get home bag for a very very long time. I can hunt small game out to 50yds with ball ammo in it and it's going to get me some meat.
Love these guns. If they just don't work for you, they suck beyond all reason. If you can make it work, the "issues" are worth learning to live with and work around. That's been my experience anyway.
Taurus PT 92 is way better version.
Than a m9a4? Hell no
@@teelowteelow356 technically all beretta’s suck🤣🤣🤣
Got a 92 and I just love the looks, and yes, it fits my big hands. Trigger is something to get accustomed to.
I completely agree with your first complaint. The first thing I had done was to install a G conversion kit onto a 92FS. My only other gripe is admittedly petty: I never liked the external trigger bar. It looks sloppy, and would have preferred that it was internalized within the frame. Besides those two minor things, I personally have no other issues with the design.
Life long Beretta lover, and after Jan. 4th 2023 I learned to love it more. At 2:45 pm, I'm at my pc, just a few feet from the front door. Within a heart beat of that door crashing in, I had my 92a1, in my hand and leveled at the Dudes face. First thing I did was check his hands, empty. Had he carried a gun, knife, rock or feather he'd be shot. Looking at his eyes, wild like, sweat pouring off his face, out of breath.When I knew he saw my gun, he started backing up, out the door. Had he kept coming, he'd be shot. Thank God he ran, no shots fired..
I called 911 and reported everything to the dispatcher. Within just a few minutes Las Vegas Metro was at my door. I told the Officer what had happened. By the time I was done explaining what happened, the Officer told me the suspect was cuffed and in the patrol car. The reason for all the sweat, ect.was the Cops chasing him. I was told it would have most likely have been a justifable shooting. After all, I'm in a wheelchair and in poor health. No way I could have fought him. I still haven't found out why he was being chased, more to come I guess.
Well, I had my weapon, ready to go and at my side. My attitude was to NEVER be a victim. Stay armed, stay safe.
Prior military I used the M9 regularly. It never failed me, and I easily qualified every single time. Didn't shoot it for over 10 years, shot a coworker's 92f at the range and looked like an operator. I hate the looks of the gun but it genuinely works and has never malfunctioned on me.
My old Beretta 92FS is still one of my all time favorite guns to shoot. I can understand some of the gripes about them, but I’ve never had any issues I adapted to the Gun.
I was an MP as a Marine, and I remember when I was inexperienced accidentally activating the safety as you described while racking the slide and being pissed at it.
I’m also a 6’5” man, so I always loved the M9’s fat grip and the full-size 20” M16-A2’s and A4’s (but I recognize most people aren’t as big as me).
HOWEVER, if you train to deal with that I have for years preferred a DA/SA semi auto (and especially Beretta’s infamous slide-mounted safety) above all else in a handgun because it’s so much more difficult to cause a negligent discharge than any other type of handgun.
I love mine, however your points are very valid. What i did was replace the right side (muzzle pointing away from you) spring and detent of the safe with a solid bar, as well as use a wilson combat low profile safe. The safe can no longer be used, however it is smaller and less of an issue. A DA/ASA gun does not need a safety, just like 226s
your reviews are real gives me info what to look for.
Just watched your Pulsefire Flamethrower Vid and was happy to subscribe!! Semper Fi brother looking forward to more vids! And checking out your older content
This is the first time I think I've ever seen you without your hat or sunglasses lol and I've been watching for awhile
Last one I "felt up," was a Walther PDP compact 5. Took her home...
I can't carry a 92FS because of its size and weight but would be glad to have one in the house or a vehicle in a bad situation. I appreciate the smooth action, low recoil and accuracy. I do not prefer the slide mounted safety, but it has never been an issue for me. It is a very nice looking handgun. I will never sell mine.
Mrs. Honest Outlaw's black nail polish went well with the M9. I always enjoy your videos. Ya'll keep up the good work ...please. Thanks!!!!
The slide mounted safety / decocker is my favourite part of the gun. I hate the feel of a frame mounted one
I couldn’t agree more
Wow, things were way easier back in the day. I was the second officer in my department to go through the academy with the 92f and had none of these problems nor was I aware of them. I was just happy as heck to have the gun.
Got a standard 92a1 as my first gun. Definitely takes more practice off the bat than the Sig, but the extra safety features are great for beginners. Only thing is that I've never run into an issue with accidentally engaging the safety when racking the gun because I wrap my index finger and thumb below the safety where my thumb is on the grooves and the tip of my index finger is curled back at me. IDK if that's the "right" way to do it, but it works for me.
Love the 92 and use it regularly. Really prefer the G model. I have not worked with any optics yet so we will see. Good presentation.